Stus-List Kracor Contact

[Martin Kane via CnC-List]

About 4 years ago I got a tank for a 29-2 from Kracor Inc.

The contact at that time was Dave Pfeiffer

dpfeif...@kracor.com  

414-355-6335 x 105

 

Martin 

C 29-2 Recalculating

 

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Re: Stus-List wheel squeak

[Martin Kane via CnC-List]

I had the rudder out of my  '83 29-2 last winter. The only metal
bushing/bearing is where the post comes thru the cockpit sole. There was
only minimal wear on mine so I didn't replace it. The fit between the rudder
post and fibreglass rudder tube is tight and there is no stuffing box like
on the prop shaft. There is just a tube which acts as a long
bushing/bearing. If the grease in the tube has gone hard, then injecting
fresh won't clear out the old grease. If you decide to drop the rudder be
careful as it is only held in place by the two set screws in collar that
sits on top of the post. I'd guess it weighs about a 100lbs and doesn't
really have any good hand holds. So not that easy to work with. When the
boat on the hard I can move the rudder from stop to stop with the pressure
from one finger. 

 

Martin 

29-2 Recalculating

 

From: Bruce Pope [mailto:brucep...@live.ca] 
Sent: Friday, August 25, 2017 3:20 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List wheel squeak

 

Hello.

 

On a similar note

The wheel on my 1986 29-2 has been stiff since purchase 3 years ago.I
have lube'd everything in the steering system that was recommended by folks
on this list including pumping fresh waterproof grease into the rudder post
stuffing box thru a zerk fitting (with old grease pushing out of the top).
I read a post some time ago indicating that there is likely a bushing at the
top of the rudder post where it enters the cockpit sole - at the emergency
tiller steering unit.  Wondering if anyone knows whether the 80's vintage
C 29-2's also have  bushing/bearings down in the rudder post stuffing box
?If yes,  also wondering if anyone knows where I can get replacement
bushings or will I have to get someone to make them?

I am borrowing a trailer to haul the boat and on a pretty tight time
schedule so would like to have parts in hand before I haul.

Thanks.

 

Bruce

1986 29-2

Gyrfalcon

Kootenay Lake, BC

 

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Stus-List Deck Organizer Source

[Martin Kane via CnC-List]

All
I'd like to stack another deck organizer on the original. I measure the C to
C dimension of the existing organizers as 2 3/8". I've been unable to find
any organizers with this C-C dimension. I've looked at Harken, Schaeffer,
Ronstan, Selden etc and either the dimension is wrong or not provided as
part of the specs. Based on measurements from the computer screen, Garhauer
looks like it might be the right size, but I did not get a response to my
enquiry to them.
Does anyone know of a brand that is compatible with the C original.
Thanks

Martin 
C 29-2




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Re: Stus-List Kanzaki transmission oil change

[Martin Kane via CnC-List]

Regarding filling the transmission, the Yanmar manual states" Check the
clutch case level without screwing in the cap"

Martin 
C 29-2
Recalculating


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Re: Stus-List Mainsail replacement considerations

[Martin Kane via CnC-List]

Dave 

Check out Precision Sails in Victoria BC. They have a great on-line site. Sails 
are made Asia somewhere but inspected and shipped from BC.  I got a 135 and 
asym from them this year. Very happy with the product and price.

 

Martin 

C 29-2 Recalculating

MCC Toronto

 

From: Dave S [mailto:syerd...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2016 8:56 AM
To: C Stus List 
Subject: Stus-List Mainsail replacement considerations

 

Just received the results from the fall check-up and the local sail loft has 
diagnosed Windstar's ('85 33-2) mainsail as "beyond expired".   Cue the Monty 
Python...

 

The current main has two sets of reef points, (cringle at the leech and and 
ring-on-webbing-straps at the luff.)   

No telltales other than streamers off the leech.   

IIRC there may be a leech line.  

4 partial battens battens.   

There are two cringles at the clew, one above the other, and what I believe is 
called a "shelf" of lighter weight cloth along the foot.  Have never used this 
out of ignorance, but perhaps I should.  

it has a rope foot, slides on the luff.   

 

I will have Rolly Tasker in Thailand quote, as well as UK sails here in Toronto.

 

 

I value the 33-2's performance but most of my sailing is recreational sailing 
here on Lake Ontario.  Would like to distance race but not looking to be 
ultra-competitive at the top level.  Don't want to buy another Main for 
this boat in the next decade.  

 

Any thoughts or recommendations on a replacement, or comments on sail lofts?   
Many thanks!

 

Dave  

Windstar 33-2

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Re: Stus-List 37+ in Etobicoke Ontario

[Martin Kane via CnC-List]

Stop 37 is at the Etobicoke Yacht Club. (EYC). When I was a member there, I 
don’t recall it participating in the weeknight club races, which is consistent 
with the info in the ad. While I don’t know how well the boat has been 
maintained, I don’t think you have to worry about “rode hard and put away wet.” 
 There are at least two listers who are members at EYC. Perhaps they can shed 
more light on the current status. If you’d like a condition assessment based on 
a visual from the finger dock. Let me know, I’m at the adjacent club now.

 

As an aside, my sense is that the price of Canadian boats has not changed with 
the strengthening of the US dollar, consequently boats close to border are good 
value for US buyers. Also our season is May to Oct., or really just July and 
August, so boats have minimal use,

 

Martin 

C 29-2

Recalculating

Mimico Cruising Club

 

 

 

 

From: Robert Gallagher [mailto:trys...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2016 11:51 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Stus-List 37+ in Etobicoke Ontario

 

Listers,

 

Does anyone have any info on a 1988 37+ located in Ontario called 'STOP 37'?

 

It just came up on Yachtworld and I'm interested.  :)  But it's a long way for 
me to travel if it's been rode hard and put away wet.

 

Thanks,

 

Rob

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Re: Stus-List continuous line furlers

[Martin Kane via CnC-List]

I have a Selden GX 7.5 on a 29-2 that I use for my assym.

Pros relative to sock/snuffer are:
1. can rig at dock
2. No need to go to foredeck to release or retrieve
3. Can gybe by furling and the gybing and unfurling, if you want to
4. Can get sail in quickly if wind picks up
5. Get more use of assym as a result of the above.

Cons relative to snuffer are:
Boat bucks

In summary it was a great upgrade.

My forestay is set back from the stem and I'm able to attach the furler drum
to the stem and not have it interfere with the genoa furler. Without that
clearance you'd need a sprit which would make the package more complex to
install, take more time to rig and cost more.

Martin 
C 29-2 Recalculating

martink...@sympatico.ca

905 848 0925

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From: Bill Sprouse [mailto:bdspro...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2016 2:15 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Stus-List continuous line furlers

Is anyone using continuous line furlers for jib or asymmetrical spin?
Thoughts pro or con?

thanks
bill



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Re: Stus-List C and C 25 water in lockers under settees, Now Stability

[Martin Kane via CnC-List]

That stability graph definitely shows the 29-2 as tender. 

However I could wash the windows on the 25-2 if I had a mind to. I also
owned a 33-1 which, when we were racing, would have the person responsible
for helping the genoa around when tacking, ankle deep in water if the wind
was up and they were slow in getting off the low side. I don't see the 33-1
on the chart.

I'm reluctant to argue with a proven methodology, but I find the 29-2 to be
both stiff and forgiving compared to the other 2. To me the 29-2  heels to a
certain point where the rail is still not buried  and then says you really
should do something with the main and if you don't  it will start to round
up rather than continue to heel.  Is it possible that this behaviour is due
to the hull shape and this is not captured in the stability test which is
static. If so that could explain why the boat is rated as tender, but will
only heel to a certain point in real world conditions.

 

Martin 

C 29-2 

Recaluating

 

From: randy [mailto:spins...@embarqmail.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 3:56 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: 'Martin Kane' <martink...@sympatico.ca>
Subject: Re: Stus-List C and C 25 water in lockers under settees

 

H Martin, suggest you check out the stability diagram:
http://www.cncphotoalbum.com/technical/stability.htm

 

 

randy

Tamanawas

29-II

Hood River, OR

 

 

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Martin
Kane via CnC-List
Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 9:58 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> 
Cc: Martin Kane <martink...@sympatico.ca <mailto:martink...@sympatico.ca> >
Subject: Stus-List C and C 25 water in lockers under settees

 

I experienced this occasionally when I had a C 25-2. It would only happen
when the sailing hard to weather with the rail buried. If I were going to
tighten the hull/deck joint screws I'd start with those closest to the
chainplates.

 

This is not an issue with the 29-2 as it is a very stiff boat and doesn't
appear possible to bury the rail.

 

Martin 

C 29-2 Recalculating

 

 

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Stus-List C and C 25 water in lockers under settees

[Martin Kane via CnC-List]

I experienced this occasionally when I had a C 25-2. It would only happen
when the sailing hard to weather with the rail buried. If I were going to
tighten the hull/deck joint screws I'd start with those closest to the
chainplates.

 

This is not an issue with the 29-2 as it is a very stiff boat and doesn't
appear possible to bury the rail.

 

Martin 

C 29-2 Recalculating

 

 

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Re: Stus-List Matching Traveler Track Dimensions 29 Mark II

[Martin Kane via CnC-List]

When selecting a new traveler make sure that you’ll be open the cockpit locker 
after its installed.  Garhauer travelers won’t work without modifying to 
reposition the stbd camcleat.

Martin 

C  Recalculating

 

 

From: O'Keeffe Thomas [mailto:thosokee...@yahoo.com] 
Sent: Friday, June 03, 2016 7:31 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Stus-List Matching Traveller Track Dimensions 29 Mark II

 

Garhauer is another option. Another lister figured out a way to have Garhauer 
modify their MT-1 system to fit the 29-2.  The issues were the narrowness of 
the channel in the bridge deck in which the traveller sits and the need to 
raise their standard track by 1/4".  I went for a variation of his idea (I 
wanted the cam cleats on the car, the other lister on the coaming).  If you're 
interested I can forward off-list an email thread.

 

Tom O'Keeffe

Bridie Mae

C 29-2, 1984

Douglaston, NY

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Re: Stus-List Soft thumping/banging when in gear at low-rpm?

[Martin Kane via CnC-List]

I assume that you have a Yanmar transmission. The shift lever mechanism is 
quite complicated and Yanmar have specific requirements about the minimum 
length of throw from neutral to ensure full engagement of F I just spent an 
hour or so with my head upside down adjusting the transmission on my 2gm to 
spec. The attached link –( see dwg 2-1 angular adjustment in particular) is for 
a KM2_A transmission and I think you probably have a KM3-A. The shift mechanism 
is the same for each.  If you don’t have the KM3_A google the transmission you 
have and find a copy of the shop manual and follow the instructions for 
checking and adjusting the shift mechanism.

 

http://www.soverel33.com/Boat/Engine/Ch08/Content.html

 

Martin 

Recalculating C 29-2

 

From: Ainslie [mailto:ains...@hay.net] 
Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2016 10:07 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Soft thumping/banging when in gear at low-rpm?

 

My 35-3 has the same issue. The PO advised me about it, and we experienced it a 
bit while sailing her home last fall. Launched and sailed today and it was 
knocking a little more than last fall. But I recall someone on the list said to 
make sure the shifter lever is hard ahead. Mine wasn’t. When I held the lever 
there, no knocking at all through the rpm range. Do you think I can adjust the 
cable or levers to hold the shifter firmly in Fwd, or am I still looking at 
lapping the cones? The bungee cord was my friend today!

 

Thanks,

Jason Ainslie, Spirit

C 35-3

Bayfield, ON

 

  _  

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Andrew Means 
via CnC-List
Sent: May-11-16 2:56 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com  
Cc: Andrew Means
Subject: Re: Stus-List Soft thumping/banging when in gear at low-rpm?

 

Guys this is fantastic information (and hopefully not too expensive)! Thanks to 
everybody for all the info. If I end up doing the work to remove the 
transmission I'll do my best to document the process for posterity.


On May 10, 2016, at 11:17 AM, Brian Davis via CnC-List  > wrote:

Thank you

 


 

 

Virus-free.  

 www.avast.com 

 

 

On Tue, May 10, 2016 at 1:49 PM, Dave Syer via CnC-List  > wrote:

I used the auto supply stuff -  “weapons-grade” is not so available up here in 
Canada! .  

I brushed a thin film of the compound (basically grit in grease) onto the 
mating surfaces, mated them, and rotated the cone back and forth.Did not do 
complete rotations only because Mr. Robinson told me not to in shop class back 
in ’78.   (lawn mower valves – different thing as they don’t rotate in use.)

Again, make sure you reassemble the parts as they were removed, (mark with a 
punch) and be really careful to clean away the compound.   A solvent wash will 
show you how much grit there is, and how gritty is that grit.  

 

Here is a pretty decent link on this, one of the posts refers to a site with 
photos, where you can see the various parts.   You will need a gear puller.

 

http://forums.sailinganarchy.com/index.php?showtopic=154931

 

Dave

 

 

 

 

Message: 1

Date: Tue, 10 May 2016 09:07:32 -0400

From: "Rick Brass"  >

To:  >

Subject: Re: Stus-List Soft thumping/banging when in gear at low-rpm?

Message-ID: <004b01d1aabc$ea4ca480$bee5ed80$@earthlink.net 
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Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"

 

Or this. Available at most any local auto parts store for a lot less cost.

 

 

 

http://www.autozone.com/shop-and-garage-tools/valve-grinding-compound/permatex-valve-grinding-compound/526806_0_0/?checkfit=true

 

 

 

 

 

 

http://www.brownells.com/gunsmith-tools-supplies/metal-prep-coloring/abrasives/lapping-compounds/lapping-compounds-prod1137.aspx

 

 

 


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Brian Davis

1980 C Landfall 38

"Nina"

  

 

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Stus-List Prop Walk CC 29-2

[Martin Kane via CnC-List]

Boat was significantly over-propped when I acquired her. Largely because
transmission ratio is 2.2:1 not 2.62:1 as stamped on the casing.  While the
props that came with the boat (a Gori 15X10 and a 3 blade fixed 14X9) were
too big, prop walk was not an issue.
Just installed a Campbell Sailor  12x6 and the prop walk is severe (in spite
of the additional tip to hull clearance). It is basically impossible to turn
the bow to port in reverse . The bow swings to starboard and then once there
is some movement through the water will crab sideways, but the bow will not
swing around to port. I have not found any combination of throttle and
rudder position that makes the situation any better.

I need to replace the prop to avoid getting into trouble in close quarters
at some point. Question to CC 29-2 owners:  Has anyone found a prop that
works well  going forward and in reverse.

Thanks in advance.

Martin 
Recalculating CC 29-2
Mimico Cruising Club




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Stus-List CC 33-I Spreaders?

[Martin Kane via CnC-List]

David
You may want to contact Tim Doel at  Klacko Spars
 klackosp...@bellnet.ca  
(905) 825-0015

Klacko provided the original CC masts back in the 70's and 80's.

They are located on Oakville, Ontario.

Martin
CC 29-2 
Recalculating



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Re: Stus-List Companionway hood

[Martin Kane via CnC-List]

Holland Marine Products in Mississauga Ontario stock rolls of 1/16 and 1/8 
butyl tape. The store owner can be difficult but is the only source for 1/16 
tape near Toronto that I've found.

Martin 
Recalculating CC 29-2
Mimico Cruisng Club



-Original Message-
From: D Harben [mailto:sailadventu...@rogers.com] 
Sent: Monday, September 08, 2014 10:49 PM
To: Marek Dziedzic; cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Companionway hood

Hi
I am interested in at least one roll, perhaps 3, if long term storage is not a 
problem.

Don
Oakville 

 On Sep 8, 2014, at 10:47 PM, Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List 
 cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote:
 
 If you are looking for the source, here they are. I bought mine from 
 Compass Marine. It seems that the other one can sell smaller quantities.
 
 There is a downside to it: if you want it shipped to Canada, the cost 
 is about the same as the tape (around $30). It is worth its while to 
 order more (cost of shipping is the same) and share.
 
 Btw. I can share one roll at cost (and it is already on the Canadian 
 side of the border).
 
 Btw2. No association with either of them, but supposedly this is the 
 best butyl tape around.
 
 Bed-It Tape - Compass Marine 
 http://www.pbase.com/mainecruising/butyl_tape
 
 Bed-It Tape - Hamilton Marine
 http://store.hamiltonmarine.com/browse.cfm/butyl-tape-bed-it-1-2-x-50-
 roll-7
 55207-/4,59595.html
 
 Marek
 
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 From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of 
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 Sent: Monday, September 08, 2014 7:55 PM
 To: mcrom...@bell.blackberry.net; cnc-list@cnc-list.com
 Subject: Re: Stus-List Companionway hood
 
 Mike,
 
 I used butyl tape when I replaced my companionway hatch.  It is 
 foolproof stuff to work with and seals great.
 
 Jake
 
 Jake Brodersen
 “Midnight Mistress”
 CC 35 Mk-III
 Hampton VA
 
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of 
 Michael Crombie via CnC-List
 Sent: Monday, September 08, 2014 10:41 AM
 To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
 Subject: Stus-List Companionway hood
 
 
 A couple of the screws are loose on my companionway hood, so I am 
 planning on removing it and giving it a good cleaning (and cleaning 
 the gunk underneath it).
 
 What type of sealant should i put into the screwholes when I put it back on?
 4200? Silicon?  Any advice would be appreciated.
 
 There seemed to be quite the debate a few years ago about whether to 
 seal the entire underside or not.  Mine only appears to have sealant 
 around the screws and i don't have any leaks (at least not around the 
 companionway!) , so I'll probably stick with that method.
 
 Thanks,
 
 Mike
 Atacama CC 33 Mk II
 Toronto
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Stus-List Yanmar Gear Box Mislabeled

[Martin Kane via CnC-List]

I've owned a CC 29-2, with the 2GM engine and KM2-A gearbox for the past
three years. Initially the Yanmar tach would show 2200 rom at WOT in gear
and about 3400 in neutral at WOT. In year 2 I replaced the installed 14X9
three blade with a 15X10 folding prop that was spare.  WOT rpms in gear
decreased by a small amount. In year three I installed a 13 x 7 Campbell
Sailor. WOT rpms increased to 2500 (as measured by Yanmar tach). 

I advised the prop supplier that based on the Yanmar tach and a laser tach
that the engine was still not able to reach the appropriate WOT rpms. They
offered to resize the prop, but mentioned that the 13x7 prop had produced
good results for other owners. Given that info I decided to find out why I
was different before sending the prop back for rework and proceeded to
measure the rpms of the engine and prop shaft at different speeds with a
laser tach.

The answer is that even though the gearbox plate has ratio of 2.62 stamped
on it. The actual ratio as determined by comparing crankshaft rpm to prop
shaft rpm, is 2.21. This ratio was also confirmed by turning the crankshaft
by hand and observing the prop shaft. So it appears that the gearbox is
mislabelled. The only possible hint of this is that the 2.62 has an X
stamped through it.

I'm posting this in case it helps other listers dealing with an overpropped
situation and to see if anyone has ever heard of this happening before.

I don't know if the PO had the gearbox rebuilt or if is even possible to
switch one or more gears to change the ratio from 2.62 to 2.21


Martin 
CC29-2 
Recalculating
Mimico Cruising Club



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Re: Stus-List CnC-List Digest, Vol 100, Issue 24

[Martin Kane via CnC-List]

David
Here's a link to a manufacturer.
http://www.davisnet.com/marine/products/list_marine.asp?grp=m22-4. Try
searching under shroud roller  They are very common. Bought one yesterday
from a small chandlery for $6 Cdn.

Martin 
CC 29-2 Recalculating
Mimico Cruising Club



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