Stus-List Re: Draft question

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You don’t actually mention which keel you have

There were three factory configurations 
Standard. 88”
Winged keel 66”
Centreboard 54”

Now when you say you measured … is it you measured from the boot line or your 
actual “scum” line ?

Then it also depends on how much you carry.   The factory numbers are an empty 
boat…..

JKC


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> On May 6, 2024, at 10:10 PM, Chuck Saur via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> Hey guys...help me out? Trying to get my PHRF numbers correct, and since Lake 
> Michigan is getting thinner, how much water I have under my keel.  So...I've  
> been using a 5'11" figure for our 1990 37/40+  Daydream, hull 51.  I found 
> this, and other rig measures listed on the Sailboatdata.com website.  I just 
> saw another measurement on the CNC listserv in the 37/40+ site, and it is 
> 5'6".  In fact, all the wingy 37/40+ boats listed here have the 5'6" draft 
> listed.
> 
> So.  I went out and measured my waterline to the floor (86"), and subtracted 
> the height of the block under my keel (-6").  My final measurement is 
> 80"...or last I did the math...a whopping draft of 6'8".  What the heck? Am I 
> missing something? 
> 
> I wonder what my PHRF oughta be...and better stay outa shallow-er areas now!!
> 
> I asked our ex-C dealer here, and they guessed it might be a custom thing.  
> Anyone heard of this?  Or have variations of the 5'6" or 5'11"?  
> 
> 
> Chuck Saur
> 
> 517 490-5926 Cell
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Stus-List C Rugby Shirts

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The first batch of C Rugby Shirts were so well received, I’ve done another run.Shopghcarchives.comJohnKelly Cuthbertsonwww.ghcarchives.comMotion Designs Limited647 990 7752Please show your appreciation for this list and the Photo Album site and help 
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Stus-List Re: C Rugby Shirt

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And being Rugby shirts they are generally a lose fit.   But we humans come in 
all different shapes :-)

JKC
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Stus-List Re: C Rugby Shirt

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What Jeff said :-)JKC www.candcyachts.comMotion Designs Limited647 990 7752On Feb 29, 2024, at 8:58 AM, Jeff Nelson via CnC-List  wrote:

  

  
  
There is a fit chart on the website when you goto shop
Cheers,
  Jeff Nelson. 




  


  

  

  

  

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Stus-List C Rugby Shirt

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The classic C Rugby shirts have arrived.  Limited Stock available, not sure if I’ll do another run so get yours while they are available.To all those that expressed interest and ordered previously, thank you. Shopghcarchives.comJohnKelly Cuthbertson www.ghcsrchives.comwww.candcyachts.comMotion Designs Limited647 990 7752Please show your appreciation for this list and the Photo Album site and help 
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Stus-List C Rugby shirts

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8 oz or 12 oz Rugby Shirts

Lighter is a little cheaper but I’m thinking more comfort ?

JKC


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Stus-List Re: C Racing Shirt - Now just C shirts

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I stay away from just slapping the C logo on anything.  I’m trying to reproduce actual C promotional itemsHere is the Rugby shirts I plan to reproduceShopghcarchives.comJohnKelly Cuthbertson www.ghcarchives.comwww.candcyachts.comMotion Designs LimitedPlease show your appreciation for this list and the Photo Album site and help 
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Stus-List Re: C Racing Shirt - Size XL - Free (pay Shipping and Donation)

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I’ve always planned to do them but when I last explored having them produced the quantity and cost of the minimum order was beyond what I thought the demand wasI plan to explore it again soon, since last time was during Covid so maybe things have changedJohnKelly Cuthbertson www.ghcarchives.comwww.candcyachts.comMotion Designs Limited647 990 7752On Jan 4, 2024, at 10:59 AM, Joe Della Barba via CnC-List  wrote:Are the rugby shirts coming back? Joe Della BarbaCoquina C 35 MK IKent Island MD USA   From: Richard Bush via CnC-List  Sent: Tuesday, January 2, 2024 10:28 AMTo: Stus-List Cc: Richard Bush Subject: Stus-List Re: C Racing Shirt - Size XL - Free (pay Shipping and Donation) JK mentioned the submarine sweaters, I gave them to the fam as Christmas gifts and they were well received, my wife wore hers all week long! RichardRichard N. Bush Law Offices2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite NineLouisville, Kentucky 40220(502) 584-7255  On Monday, January 1, 2024 at 03:15:05 PM EST, Motion Designs Limited via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:   Have a license plate holder in the archives.   The problem with most of these items is minimum orders to get them produced.   I then have consider if I can sell that many.   I have stock of many things I thought would sell and haven’t :-( The minimum order for the rugby shirts was a $6000 dollar outlay, so I’ve been very hesitant to go ahead with those.    Thought the submariner sweaters would have sold more etc etc JKC www.candcyachts.comMotion Designs Limited647 990 7752On Jan 1, 2024, at 9:19 AM, David Knecht via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:Hi- JohnKelly-  Another thing you might consider for the chandlery is C license plate holders. If I remember correctly, Edd got ahold of some as swag for one of the C rendezvous's and I have had them on my car ever since.  Mine are aging and I would replace them in a heartbeat.  Dave David KnechtRear CommodoreThames Yacht ClubNew London, CT  On Dec 31, 2023, at 5:39 PM, Motion Designs Limited via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: If there is enough interest I can add it to www.candcyachts.com I was hoping to grab an original for the archives but I was too late :-( JohnKelly Cuthbertson  www.candcyachts.comMotion Designs Limited647 990 7752On Dec 31, 2023, at 4:52 PM, Rick Brass via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:Edd; From the prompt responses to your offer (unfortunately, I was cooking when you sent the message and didn’t see it until a few minutes ago) I think you may have identified an item that John Kelly might want to add to the C Chandlery. I know I’d buy one if they were available. Hope you have a great New Year – even though you’ve become a stinkpotter.  Rick BrassImzadi  C 38 mk2 #47la Belle Aurore  C 25 mk1 #225Washington, NC   From: Edd Schillay via CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com] Sent: Sunday, December 31, 2023 2:22 PMTo: Stus-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>Cc: Edd Schillay <e...@schillay.com>Subject: Stus-List C Racing Shirt - Size XL - Free (pay Shipping and Donation) Listers, Happy new year!  I’m giving away my never-worn C Racing polo shirt, size XL.  On the front is the C logo with “RACING” underneath. On the back are the nautical flags: Alpha Mike Foxtrot (You’ll have to look it up as to what that means, but here’s a hint: C are so fast that your competition will see this on your back as you pull away.) See: https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/2jdxgny0u4zp6sgwp8yok/cc-shirt.jpg?rlkey=zsylggrdk09zmttmb4i68lpj8=0  First person to reply that he/she wants it has first dibs. After that. i’ll need $10 via PayPal to cover shipping and for you to make a donation to Stu for the C site/list. I’ll leave it up to you if you want to donate $1 or $100.   All the best, Edd  Edd M. SchillayCaptain of the Starship EnterpriseBayliner 3788 | NCC-1701-CVenice Yacht Club | Venice Island, FL  Please show your appreciation for this list and the Photo Album site and help me pay the associated bills.  Make a contribution at:https://www.paypal.me/stumurrayThanks for your help.StuPlease show your appreciation for this list and the Photo Album site and help me pay the associated bills.  Make a contribution at:https://www.paypal.me/stumurrayThanks for your help.Stu Please show your appreciation for this list and the Photo Album site and help me pay the associated bills.  Make a contribution at:https://www.paypal.me/stumurrayThanks for your help.StuPlease show your appreciation for this list and the Photo Album site and help me pay the associated bills.  Make a contribution at:https://www.paypal.me/stumurrayThanks for your help.StuPlease show your appreciation for this list and the Photo Album site and help me pay the associated bills.  Make a contribution at:https://www.paypal.me/stumurrayThanks for your help.StuPlease show your appreciation for this list and the Photo Album site and help 
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Stus-List Re: C Racing Shirt - Size XL - Free (pay Shipping and Donation)

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Have a license plate holder in the archives.   The problem with most of these items is minimum orders to get them produced.   I then have consider if I can sell that many.   I have stock of many things I thought would sell and haven’t :-(The minimum order for the rugby shirts was a $6000 dollar outlay, so I’ve been very hesitant to go ahead with those.    Thought the submariner sweaters would have sold more etc etcJKCwww.candcyachts.comMotion Designs Limited647 990 7752On Jan 1, 2024, at 9:19 AM, David Knecht via CnC-List  wrote:Hi- JohnKelly-  Another thing you might consider for the chandlery is C license plate holders. If I remember correctly, Edd got ahold of some as swag for one of the C rendezvous's and I have had them on my car ever since.  Mine are aging and I would replace them in a heartbeat.  Dave
David KnechtRear CommodoreThames Yacht ClubNew London, CT


On Dec 31, 2023, at 5:39 PM, Motion Designs Limited via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:If there is enough interest I can add it to www.candcyachts.comI was hoping to grab an original for the archives but I was too late :-(JohnKelly Cuthbertson www.candcyachts.comMotion Designs Limited647 990 7752On Dec 31, 2023, at 4:52 PM, Rick Brass via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:Edd; From the prompt responses to your offer (unfortunately, I was cooking when you sent the message and didn’t see it until a few minutes ago) I think you may have identified an item that John Kelly might want to add to the C Chandlery. I know I’d buy one if they were available. Hope you have a great New Year – even though you’ve become a stinkpotter.  Rick BrassImzadi  C 38 mk2 #47la Belle Aurore  C 25 mk1 #225Washington, NC   From: Edd Schillay via CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com] Sent: Sunday, December 31, 2023 2:22 PMTo: Stus-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>Cc: Edd Schillay <e...@schillay.com>Subject: Stus-List C Racing Shirt - Size XL - Free (pay Shipping and Donation) Listers, Happy new year!  I’m giving away my never-worn C Racing polo shirt, size XL.  On the front is the C logo with “RACING” underneath. On the back are the nautical flags: Alpha Mike Foxtrot (You’ll have to look it up as to what that means, but here’s a hint: C are so fast that your competition will see this on your back as you pull away.) See: https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/2jdxgny0u4zp6sgwp8yok/cc-shirt.jpg?rlkey=zsylggrdk09zmttmb4i68lpj8=0  First person to reply that he/she wants it has first dibs. After that. i’ll need $10 via PayPal to cover shipping and for you to make a donation to Stu for the C site/list. I’ll leave it up to you if you want to donate $1 or $100.   All the best, Edd  Edd M. SchillayCaptain of the Starship EnterpriseBayliner 3788 | NCC-1701-CVenice Yacht Club | Venice Island, FL  Please show your appreciation for this list and the Photo Album site and help me pay the associated bills.  Make a contribution at:https://www.paypal.me/stumurrayThanks for your help.StuPlease show your appreciation for this list and the Photo Album site and help me pay the associated bills.  Make a contribution at:https://www.paypal.me/stumurrayThanks for your help.StuPlease show your appreciation for this list and the Photo Album site and help me pay the associated bills.  Make a contribution at:https://www.paypal.me/stumurrayThanks for your help.StuPlease show your appreciation for this list and the Photo Album site and help 
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Stus-List Re: C Racing Shirt - Size XL - Free (pay Shipping and Donation)

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If there is enough interest I can add it to www.candcyachts.com

I was hoping to grab an original for the archives but I was too late :-(

JohnKelly Cuthbertson 

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> On Dec 31, 2023, at 4:52 PM, Rick Brass via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> Edd;
>  
> From the prompt responses to your offer (unfortunately, I was cooking when 
> you sent the message and didn’t see it until a few minutes ago) I think you 
> may have identified an item that John Kelly might want to add to the C 
> Chandlery. I know I’d buy one if they were available.
>  
> Hope you have a great New Year – even though you’ve become a stinkpotter.
>  
>  
> Rick Brass
> Imzadi  C 38 mk2 #47
> la Belle Aurore  C 25 mk1 #225
> Washington, NC
>  
>  
>  
> From: Edd Schillay via CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com]
> Sent: Sunday, December 31, 2023 2:22 PM
> To: Stus-List 
> Cc: Edd Schillay 
> Subject: Stus-List C Racing Shirt - Size XL - Free (pay Shipping and 
> Donation)
>  
> Listers,
>  
> Happy new year! 
>  
> I’m giving away my never-worn C Racing polo shirt, size XL. 
>  
> On the front is the C logo with “RACING” underneath. On the back are the 
> nautical flags: Alpha Mike Foxtrot (You’ll have to look it up as to what that 
> means, but here’s a hint: C are so fast that your competition will see 
> this on your back as you pull away.)
>  
> See: 
> https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/2jdxgny0u4zp6sgwp8yok/cc-shirt.jpg?rlkey=zsylggrdk09zmttmb4i68lpj8=0
>  
>  
> First person to reply that he/she wants it has first dibs. After that. i’ll 
> need $10 via PayPal to cover shipping and for you to make a donation to Stu 
> for the C site/list. I’ll leave it up to you if you want to donate $1 or 
> $100. 
>  
>  
> All the best,
>  
> Edd
>  
>  
> Edd M. Schillay
> Captain of the Starship Enterprise
> Bayliner 3788 | NCC-1701-C
> Venice Yacht Club | Venice Island, FL
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>
>  
> 
> 
> 
>  
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Stus-List Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: winter storage

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Where are you ?JKCwww.candcyachts.comMotion Designs Limited647 990 7752On Oct 30, 2023, at 11:23 AM, Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List  wrote:







Is there any such thing as a C 35 MK I being parted out? There are a few things I could use. Not necessarily a mast, but if anyone had one nearby I would stick it in the yard for a spare.
 
 
Joe Della Barba
Coquina
 
 
 

From: Joel Delamirande via CnC-List 

Sent: Sunday, October 29, 2023 1:31 PM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: Joel Delamirande 
Subject: [EXTERNAL] Stus-List Re: winter storage

 

If someone wants a mast there one on Kijiji for sale 


And there a salvage yard that cut them up because there no room for to store them 


He get lots of cnc


 


On Sat, Oct 28, 2023 at 6:45 PM Bill Coleman via CnC-List  wrote:




As Matt mentioned, after a couple boats blew over at our club, they came out with an edict that any boats with masts up will have to be on a cradle.  That is not to say that a boat can't blow over in a cradle, there are tons of poorly designed
 cradles, or poorly maintained cradles around.  I have made several over the years, and just this fall got roped into revamping a Catalina 36 cradle. He gave me the original drawings for the cradle, I couldn't believe it was an original design by Catalina -
 the whole thing, even the longitudinal stringers were only 4" channel, which, after being picked up by the ends, which is how they move cradles here, it sagged down about 6". So it got two new 8" I beams longitudinally and two crosswise under the keel. I would
 have made it more than 8 feet wide, but the dockmaster told me it couldn't be more than that. The point here, I guess is to get a good cradle.  There are a few down at our club that are an amazing design. They are made by Viking Trailers,  in Butler, PA, 
 Unfortunately , they don't  have any pictures on their site of them, if anyone is interested I can send a picture. There are four uprights per side, all adjustable in, out, and up, and also have fold down flaps to stabilize it up to 12' wide.  Really well
 thought out.


 


Bill Coleman


Erie PA Entrada


 


On Wed, Oct 18, 2023 at 10:19 AM Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List  wrote:





Re mast up.  A friend stored his C 33-2 with mast up and it blew over in a winter storm.  He now has no mast.
 
With mast down possibly the reduced windage would have prevented the boat from blowing over but certainly would have not resulted in a mast broken in three areas. 
 The boat was on a cradle.
 
Food for thought
 
Mike Hoyt
Persistence
Halifax, NS
 

From: Bob Mann via CnC-List 

Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2023 10:45 AM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: Bob Mann 
Subject: Stus-List winter storage

 

Here in Michigan it's time to winterize our boats until April. For those who store their boat with the mast up, do you leave
 shroud tension alone or do you loosen the shrouds for the winter? Bob Mann Mystic ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍



Here in Michigan it's time to winterize our boats until April.  For those who store
 their boat with the mast up, do you leave shroud tension alone or do you loosen the shrouds for the winter?



 



Bob Mann



Mystic










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Stus-List Re: Fundraising time

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My condolences from our family to yours 

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Stus-List Red Jacket needs a new lover

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Red Jacket needs to find a home.  She’s been the market for a year and storage 
fees are mounting so the Marine Museum of the Great Lakes at Kingston is a 
motivated seller.   Why do I bring this up ?   The rumour mill ( which I 
confirmed ) someone ( Top management at the Marine Museum says it wasn’t them ) 
called the ship breaker and asked what the value of her as scrap was …..We 
will never let her go to scrap, that is for sure but she needs someone who has 
the passion ( and resources ) to take care of her.  

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Stus-List Re: Hull painting

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This will give a reference for original C coloursC Colour Chartmotiondesignslimited.comwww.candcyachts.comMotion Designs Limited647 990 7752One last point, is, color; our hull is the C factory white, don;t know the name, but its an off-white almost cream color; we are thinking of going back with flag blue or navy blue; any thoughts here are welcome as well. As always, thank you and let me know if you have any questions!Richard1985 C 37 CB; Ohio River, Mile 584;Please show your appreciation for this list and the Photo Album site and help 
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Stus-List Dad’s 94th Birthday

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Saturday is George H. Cuthbertson’s 94th birthday.  Please raise a pint for him 
and give yourself a present.  
Until Sunday, use promo code GHCBDAY for 9.4% off your purchase at 
www.candcyachts.com to help us celebrate. 
Please stop by and read his history.

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Stus-List Re: C Yachts logo

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I’ll follow up in a bit :-)

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> On Mar 25, 2023, at 1:31 PM, Matt Wolford via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> That sounds like a question for JohnKelly.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Neil Gallagher via CnC-List  
> Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2023 1:12 PM
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Cc: Neil Gallagher 
> Subject: Stus-List C Yachts logo
> 
> I'm in the process of replacing my original A4 control panel as it has 
> basically disintegrated.  It had the "C Yachts" logo engraved on it, does 
> anyone happen to have a CAD file, .dxf or similar, available for use to 
> recreate it in a CNC or engraving machine? (I apologize as I think this 
> question has come up before on the list but I can't find anything searching 
> the archives.)
> 
> Thanks,
> Neil Gallagher
> Weatherly, 35-1
> Glen Cove, NY
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Stus-List Re: Half Century Club

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My WaterRat is 65… but I’m cheating :-)

Built by GHC, and his partner Peter Davidson under the name Canadian Northern 
Company in the late 70’s.  They built approx 80 of them and I consider them the 
first production fiberglass sailboat in Canada

For more history check out www.candcyachts.com

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Stus-List Re: Selling my 1975 MKII

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Sorry, late to the conversation, which model of 1975 mkII ?
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> On Dec 11, 2022, at 9:31 AM, Kevin Benoit via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> Deck is solid.  I’ve over bored and filled many of the hardware mounting 
> points but some remain that do slightly leak.  Also some minor leaking in the 
> v berth along the toe rail. 
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Stus-List Re: Christmas Orders

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Don’t think I have ever seen C hand towels.   Do you have a picture of one ?

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> On Dec 6, 2022, at 6:02 PM, Via via CnC-List  wrote:
> 
> 
> I used the link but do not see the products. I would love hand towels:)
> 
> 
> 
> Via
> 
> ‘79 C 36
> 
> Wind Dancer
> 
> Oriental NC
> 
> 
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Stus-List Christmas Orders

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Only a short time left to get your reproduction C Yachts promotional items 
before Christmas.   
I’ve started doing yacht models as tree ornaments also.   

All can be found at www.candcyachts.com

JohnKelly Cuthbertson

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Stus-List Rob Ball obit

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Robert Wilson Ball, age 79 (August 24, 1943 – September 9, 2022) loved life and 
lived it to the fullest. He was an engaged husband, father, grandfather, 
brother and friend who cared deeply for the people in his life. 

Rob caught the sailing bug early and devoted much of his life to the sport - 
both as an active sailor and all-around sailing booster himself, and 
professionally as the Chief Designer for C Yachts, Naval Architect for 
Concordia Custom Yachts and Chief Engineer for Edson International. He was an 
avid hockey player in his school and university years, and then took up running 
late in life, completing several competitive runs and a half marathon. He loved 
his Irish setter dogs and was the world’s biggest ABBA fan. He was passionate 
about the color green, and he treated every Thursday as ‘Green day’. He wore 
green with pride whenever possible, and encouraged using it in any and all 
décor. Always adventurous and thirsty for knowledge, Rob lived in both Canada 
and the US, but never lost his Canadian roots or citizenship. He ventured all 
over the world for both work and family adventures, considered his socks and 
Birkenstocks a fashion statement, and loved to share stories about the things 
he had seen. He loved good food – homecooked or in restaurants, and always 
welcomed a great view of the water or the sunset with a glass of fine cabernet 
in hand. 

Rob is survived by his wife Pat, his sisters Mary Dodd (John) and Barb Watson, 
his three children Bria Knowles (Michael), Dayton Ball (Lauren) and Kira 
L’Heureux (Dalton), and four grandchildren Emmett, Oliver, Keenan and Arlo. He 
would also likely mention his dog Cabi (short for Cabernet) and begrudgingly 
his wife’s two cats Tia and Tetley.

Rob’s family will be welcoming guests for a celebration of his life at the New 
Bedford Yacht Club on Tuesday, September 13, drop in reception at 10:10am, 
service at 11:11am. Rob would of course encourage everyone to wear green! There 
will be an Ontario, Canada celebration at a later date.

In lieu of flowers, the family requests donations to New Bedford Community 
Boating in his honor.


www.candcyachts.com
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Stus-List Re: Eight Bells for Rob Ball

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Yes, Rob Ball passed away yesterday morning.   I spoke with Pat his wife 
yesterday. He had contracted pneumonia from a fall on a dock that broke 4 ribs 
and punctured his lung. 

I’m always amazed how much credit my Dad got for the look of C boats and Rob 
would always credit him for his guidance but Rob certainly came in to his own 
and after taking over head designer in 1973 led the design department for 17 
years till 1990. 
So GHC was head designer of C Yachts Limited for 4 years and Rob for 17.  His 
contribution to the look and feel of the boats we love is immeasurable. 

JohnKelly Cuthbertson 

www.candcyachts.com
Motion Designs Limited
647 990 7752

Stus-List Re: Is this a C?

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That doesn’t always hold true, early 35s didn’t have the cove strip

JKC

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647 990 7752

> On Aug 25, 2022, at 2:37 PM, Doug Robinson via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> No cove strip...
> 
> 
>> On Thu, Aug 25, 2022, 2:21 PM Randy Stafford via CnC-List 
>>  wrote:
>> Sheerline, bow overhang, and keel shape don’t look like a C 30’s.
>> 
>> Randy Stafford
>> SV Grenadine
>> C 30 MK I #79
>> Ken Caryl, CO
>> 
>>> On Aug 24, 2022, at 7:33 AM, Joe Della Barba via CnC-List 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>>  
>>> https://annapolis.craigslist.org/boa/d/annapolis-cc-30-sloop-sailboat/7522712710.html
>>>  
>>> The boat looks a bit different than I thought the 30s looked like???
>>>  
>>>  
>>> Joe Della Barba
>>> Coquina C 35 MK I
>>> Kent Island MD USA
>>>  
>> 

Stus-List Re: Is this a C?

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https://sailboatdata.com/sailboat/lancer-30-4

Probably 

JKC

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Motion Designs Limited
647 990 7752

> On Aug 24, 2022, at 11:40 AM, Ronald B. Frerker via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> Looks a lot like a friends Lancer 30 except for the head placement.
> His was a C design.
> Not like any of the C 30s I've been on.
> Ron
> Wild Cheri
> C 30-1
> STL
> 
> 
> On Wednesday, August 24, 2022, 09:49:24 AM CDT, Richard Bush via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> Sailboat data has this note for the Lancer 30: "Origins with the original C 
> 30. C often sold off the molds for retired models"
> 
> Richard
> s/v Bushmark4: 1985 C 37, CB Ohio River, Mile 584.4;
> 
> Richard N. Bush Law Offices 
> 2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine 
> Louisville, Kentucky 40220-1462 
> 502-584-7255
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List 
> To: Stus-List 
> Cc: Hoyt, Mike 
> Sent: Wed, Aug 24, 2022 10:02 am
> Subject: Stus-List Re: Is this a C?
> 
> That looks quite a bit like a C designed Lancer 30.  The exterior, windows, 
> keel, rudder etc..  The interior looks quite different than the 30-3 and 30-4 
> so I am wondering if it was an earlier model or a kit boat like the Viking 33 
> offered where the interior was custom …
>  
> From: Barry McKee via CnC-List  
> Sent: August 24, 2022 10:51 AM
> To: 'Stus-List' 
> Cc: virb...@cogeco.ca
> Subject: Stus-List Re: Is this a C?
>  
> Don’t think this is a C 30.  Interior is all wrong.
>  
> Barry McKee
> C 29 “Discovery II”
>  
> From: Joe Della Barba via CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com] 
> Sent: 24-Aug-22 9:33 AM
> To: 'Stus-List'
> Cc: j...@dellabarba.com
> Subject: Stus-List Is this a C?
>  
>  
> https://annapolis.craigslist.org/boa/d/annapolis-cc-30-sloop-sailboat/7522712710.html
>  
> The boat looks a bit different than I thought the 30s looked like???
>  
>  
> Joe Della Barba
> Coquina C 35 MK I
> Kent Island MD USA
>  

Stus-List Re: C owners need information

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In February 1976, the initial models built at Rhode Island were the 24, 26 and 
29

Page 30, The Pursuit of Excellence 

The Landfall 42 was project 76-1 so it wouldn’t be built till mid or late 76 
with the Landfall 38 ( 78-13 ) being added in late 78 , early 79

Now what I’ve wondered is how much the “Jones Act” influenced the decision to 
build Landfalls in the US, if they were going to used as commercial charter 
vessels or was it just closer to the intended market.  I’ve read somewhere that 
suggestion but I don’t know how valid that is

JKC 

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Stus-List Fwd: Re: C owners need information

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> 
> The C 44 is not a "new" product. It started out as a sluggish IOR custom 
> project under the old management. The first production models were 
> manufactured at C’s old Rhode Island facility in 1985 and first appeared in 
> Canada in 1986. 
> 
> From
> 
> https://www.canadianyachting.ca/boat-reviews/sail/1037-cac-44-sail-boat-review
> 
> And the Rhode Island plant closed in November 1985
> 
> So…. How many were built there before production shifted to Niagara on the 
> Lake
> 
> If this really is production boat #1 then it was built in Rhode Island
> 
> Builders plaque, which I believe is missing or there never was one would say 
> or the paperwork which is probably long gone….
> 
> JohnKelly Cuthbertson 
> 
> 
> www.candcyachts.com
> Motion Designs Limited
> 647 990 7752
> 
>>> On Jul 6, 2022, at 9:30 PM, Robert Mazza  wrote:
>>> 
>> 
>> Are we sure that any 44 were actually built in Rhode Island?

Stus-List The Pursuit of Excellence

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Doug Hunter who has written a number of books including Against the odds: The 
incredible story of Evergreen and the Canada's Cup was commissioned in 1982 by 
George H. Cuthbertson to write the corporate history of C Yachts.   

Well, it has sat on multiple bookcases since then and finally is available for 
everyone to read.

If you are interested in the corporate history of C

Free digital download from:

https://www.motiondesignslimited.com/the-chandlery?store-page=The-Pursuit-of-Excellence-p475175729

JohnKelly Cuthbertson 

www.candcyachts.com
Motion Designs Limited
647 990 7752

Stus-List Re: C owners need information

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The build files that South Shore rescued ended up in the dumpster about a year 
and a half ago.  :-(

JKC

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647 990 7752

Stus-List Re: Hull number serial number identification country of manufacture

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I have come across many examples of C HIN that do not follow the “rules” so 
to say this means that, I can find an example of the opposite.  

Some has to do with the USCG trying to standardize.   Some has to do with where 
they were built.   Some has to do with when the model was started.  Some has to 
do with a shift of location of where the hull was built ….

So just saying the HIN does not guarantee that it indicates where it was built

JKC

www.candcyachts.com
Motion Designs Limited
647 990 7752

> On Jun 23, 2022, at 5:38 PM, CHARLES SCHEAFFER via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> John,
> Is what I was told long ago, that Niagra-On-The-Lake used "ZCC" in the HIN, 
> and Rhode Island used "CCY", is not true?
> 
> Maybe there was an overlap and boats started at one facility were finished at 
> another, or boats built for a certain country were given the most appropriate 
> HIN to meet certain tax law advantages for the country of the particular 
> buyer???
> 
> 
> Chuck S, Resolute 1989 C 34R
>   
>> On 06/23/2022 3:46 PM Dan via CnC-List  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Thanks for the link to the Hull number lookup - exactly what I was looking 
>> for.
>> 
>> I'm not near the boat right now but I do have the aluminum plaque in  the 
>> cockpit that simply says "C"... not sure if "made in the usa" is below 
>> it... and inside the boat there IS a small wooden plaque over the v-berth 
>> door but I don't think it is a maker's plaque.
>> 
>> I'm still not able to pinpoint or prove where exactly my C was made 
>> although the history is pointing to Rhode Island as the boat was 
>> manufactured in August 1985 for the 1986 line. I'm selling it within the US 
>> and if I can prove it was made in Rhode Island it will be easier and less 
>> costly to the buyer.
>> 
>> Does anyone know this information or can any other C owners who know 
>> where their boat was made chime in?
>> 
>> 
>> On Thu, Jun 23, 2022 at 2:21 PM Motion Designs Limited via CnC-List 
>>  wrote: 
>> Nothing in the HIN will identify where your boat was built.  ZCC and CCY 
>> where both used in each plant 
>> 
>> Look for a builder’s plaque, which I suspect you haven’t found.  
>> 
>> The other way is to find Hulls near yours to see where they were built 
>> 
>> The project #84-1, 44 was originally built in Rhode Island as you noted in 
>> 85 and “coming to Canada” in 86 after Rhode Island was shut down November 85 
>> 
>> JKC 
>> 
>> www.candcyachts.com 
>> Motion Designs Limited 
>> 647 990 7752 

Stus-List Re: Hull number serial number identification country of manufacture

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Nothing in the HIN will identify where your boat was built.  ZCC and CCY where 
both used in each plant

Look for a builder’s plaque, which I suspect you haven’t found.  

The other way is to find Hulls near yours to see where they were built

The project #84-1, 44 was originally built in Rhode Island as you noted in 85 
and “coming to Canada” in 86 after Rhode Island was shut down November 85

JKC

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Stus-List Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: It’s Big George’s 93rd

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Sorry, we’re still sorting out the half model process and those were photos 
that we had of them.  I had to launch the website at some point ….

So if I was you :-).  I’d wait till a finished model is posted and it can be 
exactly what you want before ordering 

Also the manufacturing process is also taking longer because believe it or not 
the cove stripes have come back twice incorrect….

Excuses excuses. :-(

But just keep checking in and I’ll try to notify you when we are at full speed

Thanks for your patience 

JohnKelly Cuthbertson

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> On Jun 3, 2022, at 7:57 AM, Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> Why does the 35 MK I half-hull have no rudder? I am tempted to get one, but 
> the lack of steering seems an issue LOL
> Joe
> Coquina
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: rjcasciato--- via CnC-List  
> Sent: Thursday, June 2, 2022 12:43 PM
> To: 'Stus-List' 
> Cc: rjcasci...@comcast.net
> Subject: [EXTERNAL] Stus-List Re: It’s Big George’s 93rd
> 
> Hello JohnKelly...a 38MKII half hull would be nice?  Ron Casciato
> 
> -----Original Message-
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> Sent: Thursday, June 2, 2022 11:58 AM
> To: Stus-List 
> Cc: Motion Designs Limited 
> Subject: Stus-List It’s Big George’s 93rd
> 
> In celebration of George H. Cuthbertson’s 93rd. birthday on June 3rd, here is 
> a promo code for 10% off almost everything at:
> 
> www.candcyachts.com
> 
> GHCBDAY
> 
> Please raise a pint to Dad tomorrow, cause as of the 4th, the sail is over
> 
> JohnKelly Cuthbertson
> 
> www.candcyachts.com
> Motion Designs Limited
> 647 990 7752

Stus-List Re: It’s Big George’s 93rd

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Checking 

JKC 

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> On Jun 2, 2022, at 12:44 PM, rjcasciato--- via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hello JohnKelly...a 38MKII half hull would be nice?  Ron Casciato
> 
> -Original Message-----
> From: Motion Designs Limited via CnC-List  
> Sent: Thursday, June 2, 2022 11:58 AM
> To: Stus-List 
> Cc: Motion Designs Limited 
> Subject: Stus-List It’s Big George’s 93rd
> 
> In celebration of George H. Cuthbertson’s 93rd. birthday on June 3rd, here is 
> a promo code for 10% off almost everything at:
> 
> www.candcyachts.com
> 
> GHCBDAY
> 
> Please raise a pint to Dad tomorrow, cause as of the 4th, the sail is over
> 
> JohnKelly Cuthbertson
> 
> www.candcyachts.com
> Motion Designs Limited
> 647 990 7752

Stus-List It’s Big George’s 93rd

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In celebration of George H. Cuthbertson’s 93rd. birthday on June 3rd, here is a 
promo code for 10% off almost everything at:

www.candcyachts.com

GHCBDAY

Please raise a pint to Dad tomorrow, cause as of the 4th, the sail is over

JohnKelly Cuthbertson

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Stus-List Re: C

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I do not believe it has moved yet.  The museum is just getting its doors open 
again and colllection finally moved over

JKC

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> On May 22, 2022, at 5:40 PM, Richard Bush via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> To Rob Mazza and/or anyone connected with the Great Lakes museum...has Red 
> Jacket been moved to the museum yet? If so, is it available for viewing by 
> the public? or members (I have joined)...I am thinking that it might make a 
> nice road trip to bring the fam to Kingston to the museum to see Red Jacket 
> and generally sight see; ( now that the COVID restrictions have been 
> lifted...)
> So, any info is appreciated, thanks!
> 
> Richard
> s/v Bushmark4 1985 C 37 CB; Ohio River; Mile 584.4
> Richard N. Bush Law Offices 
> 2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine 
> Louisville, Kentucky 40220-1462 
> 502-584-7255
> 
>