Stus-List Re: Boom delivery

[Randal Stafford via CnC-List]

Thanks Richard.  That is funny, “gybe the pole!”

When we’re towing the trailer I call out what point of sail we’re on given the 
wind. My wife rolls her eyes.

Cheers,
Randy

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> On Apr 6, 2023, at 8:18 AM, Richard Bush  wrote:
> 
> 
> Randy, that's a great story...I love happy endings!  I did something similar 
> a few years back; I transported a 12 ft spinnaker pole from Fla. to our home 
> in Kentucky on the roof of a small car. It was really fun going down the 
> interstate and yelling gybe the pole...!
> 
> Richard
> s/v Bushmark4: 1085 C 37 CB: Ohio River, Mile 596;
> 
> Richard N. Bush Law Offices
> 2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine
> Louisville, Kentucky 40220
> (502) 584-7255
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Randy Stafford via CnC-List 
> To: CHARLES SCHEAFFER 
> Cc: Stus-List ; Randy Stafford 
> 
> Sent: Wed, Apr 5, 2023 5:32 pm
> Subject: Stus-List Re: Listers in North Carolina?
> 
> Hi Chuck,
> 
> Yes, we saw a bunch of kiteboarders and windsurfers on the sound side of 
> Hatteras near Avon.  We were there during a gale warning - the ferries even 
> shut down.
> 
> Regarding the boom, I looked on Selden’s website for dealers in the US and 
> contacted a half-dozen of them.  I learned that shipping a new boom to 
> Colorado was going to cost me $1K (yes, seriously).  Meanwhile I already had 
> a three-week trip planned with my travel trailer to the Florida panhandle 
> (St. George Island State Park, fantastic place), St. Augustine where a race 
> week was happening coincidentally, Charleston, the Outer Banks, and home via 
> Nashville and Lake of the Ozarks.  Omar Sails in New Bern, NC is a Selden 
> dealer and was one of the half-dozen I contacted.  Craig Beavers there was by 
> far the most responsive and helpful of all the dealers I contacted.  He told 
> me there is a Selden manufacturing site in Charleston, and confirmed I could 
> pick up the boom there myself and transport it home in my travel trailer 
> (which has 24’ finished space).  So I ordered the boom from Craig, and 
> stopped at Selden about a week ago and met the guys who built it, and we 
> stuffed it into my trailer.  It was an obvious and easy way to save $1K in 
> shipping.
> 
> Annapolis was not on the itinerary for this trip, but thanks for the offer!
> 
> Cheers,
> Randy
> 
> 
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Stus-List Re: 30 MK I Mast Sheaves

[Randal Stafford via CnC-List]

Awesome, thank you Roy!

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> On Mar 22, 2023, at 11:43 AM, Leeward Rail  wrote:
> 
> 
> Hi Randy,
> 
> Good news.. 
> I was just organizing my spring task lists and found the measurements in my 
> notes.
> 
> My boat is a 1978 30 Mark 1.
> 
> Masthead Sheaves are for both wire and rope:
> 
> Material: Aluminum with bronze bushing
> 7/16" I.D.   (bolt/shaft hole not the bushing hole)
> 9/16" Wide x 3.5" diameter
> 5/16" wide outer/rope groove (approx)
> ? Inner wire groove size unknown
> 
> Hope that helps.
> Roy
> 
> Mar 16, 2023 8:51:12 a.m. Leeward Rail :
> 
> Randy,.
> 
> Forgot to mention.  The original C masthead sheaves are aluminum with 
> bronze bushings.   Basically bulletproof and superior to modern plastic ones.
> 
> They likely just need cleaning and  lubrication.
> 
> That said, some people have concerns that the dual groove design causing 
> premature wear on rope.Best solution to that IMO is to take them to a 
> machine shop and have them re cut for rope only.   Cheaper than buying new 
> ones, and you end up with a better quality result.
> 
> Cheers,
> Roy
> 
> Mar 15, 2023 2:46:00 p.m. Randy Stafford via CnC-List :
> 
> Hello Listers,
> 
> Does anyone happen to know the size (inner diameter, outer diameter, and 
> thickness) of the original mast sheaves on a 30 MK I?  I have hull #79, 1972. 
>  There are three at the masthead (two headsail, one mainsail), and three at 
> the base.  Does anyone know whether the masthead and mast base sheaves are 
> the same size?
> 
> The original sheaves were grooved for wire/rope halyards.  I’m replacing my 
> original halyards with all-rope Novabraid Argus, and will replace the sheaves 
> to match.  I’m preparing to order replacements from Garhauer and need to know 
> the size.  https://www.garhauermarine.com/shop/?_categories=mast-sheaves.
> 
> Right now I don’t have access to the masthead, but I can remove one of the 
> mast base sheaves to measure it.
> 
> Thanks,
> Randy Stafford
> SV Grenadine
> C 30 MK I #79
> Ken Caryl, CO
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Stus-List Re: Sail costs

[Randal Stafford via CnC-List]

Hey Chuck,

I paid ~$2K for a new Genoa a year ago.  Sailmaker is Hyde (I also have a Hyde 
main, ~3 years old).  It’s a basic Dacron sail, designed for furling, with UV 
strip.  I chose a weight good to 20 kts.  A local guy measured for it and 
ordered it for me.

Cheers,
Randy

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> On Mar 18, 2023, at 9:54 AM, CHARLES SCHEAFFER via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> Sail costs:  A new light air genoa was quoted at $5200 for my 36 footer, so I 
> decided instead to have repairs made to my old sails.   They repaired my #2 
> for $700.  They will alter my #3 for a little more.  They are removing 
> horizontal battens and installing vertical battens, and adding UV, so it can 
> be furled.  I've chosen to use Chesapeake Sailmakers because they are service 
> oriented, came out and measured my rig before I spent any money, and they 
> took time to evaluate my sails and offer options. 
> 
> Wonder what others are paying for new sails and/or repairs.  
> 
> Chuck Scheaffer, Resolute 1989 C 34R, Annapolis
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Stus-List Re: Boatless again

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Yes! That is right. Thank you Paul!Cheers,RandySent from my iPhoneOn Feb 23, 2023, at 12:40 PM, paul.hood  wrote:Hey RandyAre you maybe thinking of a Passport.  That's the only one I can think of that starts with PSent from my Galaxy Original message From: Randy Stafford via CnC-List  Date: 2023-02-23  2:24 p.m.  (GMT-05:00) To: Stus-List  Cc: Randy Stafford  Subject: Stus-List Re: Boatless again At the end of that Newport -> St. Thomas delivery I crewed in November 2021, there was a beautiful traditional-looking ~50-foot monohull cutter that tied up behind us at the AYH fuel dock in Red Hook.  It had just made the same voyage we did, I learned.  I asked the skipper what kind of boat it was.  I can’t quite remember his answer, but I think it had the word “Passage” in it.  Does that ring a bell for anyone?  Ever heard of a boat brand with the word “Passage” in it?  I think it is in the center of this picture, S/V Grateful Dad: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1ZbMB5nUEanRw5RtRyJ7MehAN4w-ZdGVO/view?usp=share_link.Cheers,RandyOn Feb 23, 2023, at 9:04 AM, Danny Haughey via CnC-List  wrote:Good point Dave!  I do notice, a lot of the boats I'm looking at, on line, do have bow thrusters.  Of course, I'm rarely at dock for more than filling up and washing down.  But, I do like the idea of those types of modern tech!  (how modern is it really?)-- Original Message --From: David Risch via CnC-List To: Stus-List Cc: David Risch Subject: Stus-List Re: Boatless againDate: Thu, 23 Feb 2023 15:04:40 +

Danny, I may be preaching to the choir here and you may have already thought of this but Oyster 47 handling vs. Tartan 40 handling is a different order of magnitude in close maneuvering.   Not the size per se, but the weight.  A thrusting bow may something to look for.    
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I was lust looking at a local Oyster 47 listing.  I Really like how it looks!  Ticks a lot of boxes!  If I can stay away from the newer flat bottoms, I would be really happy!  I got to keep the admiral happy though...  She did find a Trinella that looks really nice, it a Ron Holland design.  So, there is hope!  -- Original Message -- From: Andrew Burton via CnC-List  To: Stus-List  Cc: Andrew Burton  Subject: Stus-List Re: Boatless again Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2023 15:00:40 -0500  Hi Danny,  I think an Oyster 47 might check those boxes. Good-sailing, we’ll-built boat and very comfy. I made fairly quick passages to Antigua and back on one a few years ago.  If you need to be more performance-oriented, there’s a sister to Masquerade (Baltic 47) around that I bet will be on the market some day in the not too distant future. Cheers Andy  Andrew Burton 26 Beacon Hill Newport, RI  USA    02840  http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/ +401 965-5260 Please show your appreciation for this list and the Photo Album site and help me pay the associated bills.  Make a contribution at: https://www.paypal.me/stumurray Thanks for your help. Stu


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Stus-List Re: Eight Bells for Rob Ball

[Randal Stafford via CnC-List]

When I bought Grenadine, her paperwork include a C 30 lines drawing by Rob 
Ball dated 1970. I framed it and hung it on the bulkhead above the dinette. He 
once told me by email it was the first lines drawing he’d done for the Georges, 
and he was very nervous at the time. Bravo Zulu, Mr. Ball.

Gratefully,
Randy

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> On Sep 10, 2022, at 08:15, Edd Schillay via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> Very sad news indeed. I was so thankful to meet Rob at our 2012 C 
> Rendezvous in Mystic, CT. He gave the group a great talk about the C 
> designs and he was happy to talk with owners one-on-one about their boats and 
> answer their questions. 
> 
> Here is a photo of him at Mystic checking out the Enterprise-B, a 1990 C 
> 37+:
> http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-QBvBegS9zXA/UG2olsTiAcI/BnU/UrjYO2tFsOs/s1600/Ball.png
>  
> 
> I posted the photo on my Captain’s Log blog and posted a survey:
> 
> What is Rob Ball thinking?
>   Hot damn, I designed a really nice boat.
>   If only she was as fast as she looks.
>   So this is the boat from the blog I keep hearing about.
>   What did this Star Trek geek freak do to my design?
> 
> The fourth was the overwhelming winner….. 
> 
> RIP Rob.
> 
> All the best,
> 
> Edd
> 
> 
> Edd M. Schillay
> Captain of the Starship Enterprise
> Bayliner 3788 | NCC-1701-C
> Venice Yacht Club | Venice Island, FL
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>   
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Sep 10, 2022, at 7:43 AM, John Irvin via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> That is very sad news. Many thanks, Ron, for the gift of your talent.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Sep 10, 2022, at 4:40 AM, Andrew Burton via CnC-List 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> That’s sad news. Aside from his obvious talent for designing beautiful 
>> boats that sailed as well as they looked, he was a very nice guy. I found 
>> him very generous with his time and happy to give advice on the several 
>> occasions I asked.
>> RIP, Rob.
>> 
>> Andy
>> 
>> Andrew Burton
>> 26 Beacon Hill
>> Newport, RI 
>> USA02840
>> 
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>> +401 965-5260
>> 
>>> On Sep 10, 2022, at 02:10, Randal Stafford via CnC-List 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Listers, I regret to report that Pat Mangan Ball posted end-of-watch 
>>> 9/9/22 for Rob Ball, on the C Owners Facebook group 50 minutes ago.
>>> 
>>> Respectfully,
>>> Randy Stafford
>>> SV Grenadine
>>> C 30 MK I #79
>>> Ken Caryl, CO
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
> 

Stus-List Eight Bells for Rob Ball

[Randal Stafford via CnC-List]

Listers, I regret to report that Pat Mangan Ball posted end-of-watch 9/9/22 for 
Rob Ball, on the C Owners Facebook group 50 minutes ago.

Respectfully,
Randy Stafford
SV Grenadine
C 30 MK I #79
Ken Caryl, CO

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Stus-List Re: Running Lights Blowing Fuses

[Randal Stafford via CnC-List]

Thanks Chuck, I missed this one.  But my reply to the others this morning 
covers the points, I think.

Cheers,
Randy

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> On Aug 11, 2022, at 21:21, CHARLES SCHEAFFER  wrote:
> 
> Hey Randy,
> 
> Strange problem.  Something is creating a dead short to blow the fuse.  The 
> lights have a ground and one hot wire each.  I'd be curious if the dome has a 
> metal ring and looking to see if the hot bulb tab is touching the metal ring 
> or the dome screw.  You can insulate it with electrical tape or some liguid 
> nylon paint made to isolate electrical terminals.
> 
> https://www.walmart.com/ip/Plasti-Dip-Liquid-Electrical-Tape/16888975?wmlspartner=wlpa=0=222009616975=wmtlabs=e=s=c=10356703939=pla-1103084903071Walmart=Online=16888975_0=liquid+nylon+coating+electrical+tape=sem=4568518b85b11293c354337e43110c92=ds
> 
> 
> Chuck
> 
> 
>> On 08/11/2022 8:10 PM Randy Stafford via CnC-List  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Hello Listers,
>> 
>> I’m in need of your sage advice or at least hypotheses on an electrical 
>> problem.
>> 
>> Here’s the background.  Late last season my starboard running light bulb 
>> burnt out.  It was a simple incandescent bulb, and the fixtures were 
>> probably original.  So I thought hey, why not replace all three running 
>> lights with LEDs.  In the process of doing that, I accidentally dropped the 
>> port fixture’s dome cover to the bottom of my slip (no chance of recovery; 
>> zero visibility).  So, shit.  I buy three new fixtures which have the same 
>> hole pattern as the old ones but of course take different bulbs so I had to 
>> buy LED festoon-style bulbs too.  What started out as a simple $1.50 bulb 
>> replacement turned into a $150 project.  And of course the new fixtures’ 
>> bases are thicker than the old, so I had to get longer stainless screws and 
>> drill and tap deeper holes in the stemhead casting.
>> 
>> Well, after getting everything back together I discovered the running lights 
>> circuit is blowing its fuse within seconds of switching it on.  But only 
>> when the dome covers are screwed on to forward fixtures (the new stern 
>> fixture including dome cover screws into the teak taffrail and causes no 
>> problems).  I’ve now isolated the misbehavior to screwing the forward dome 
>> covers on.  If I leave the covers off, the LED bulbs burn all night.  I can 
>> press down on the fixtures and twist the LED bulbs around no problem - none 
>> of that causes any contact that shorts the circuit.  If I put the covers on 
>> but don’t screw them down, the LED bulbs burn all night.  But as soon as I 
>> screw those forward covers down, blown fuse.
>> 
>> I’ve pulled the fixtures and looked carefully again at all the wiring, 
>> including in the forepeak under the deck.  There is no pinched wire or cut 
>> insulation.  The wiring to the fixtures goes through different (and much 
>> bigger) holes than any of the screws do.  My heat-shrink butt connections 
>> are tight.  As a short-term solution I just bought some nylon screws to hold 
>> the covers down.  I haven’t tested that yet, but hopefully it works.
>> 
>> Meanwhile I’m pretty mystified.  Any theories?
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> Randy Stafford
>> SV Grenadine
>> C 30 MK I #79
>> Ken Caryl, CO

Stus-List Re: Running Lights Blowing Fuses

[Randal Stafford via CnC-List]

On Saturday I screwed the forward covers on with nylon screws, and the fuse 
didn’t blow. The lights ran all night.

I didn’t take the time to do further diagnostic procedures this weekend, but 
will report back when I do.

Riley the toe rail is aluminum, but the SS screws I was using go into the 
stemhead casting, which I think is pot metal (and butts up against the forward 
ends of the toe rails).  There is no wiring channel at the deck/hull joint - 
the wiring to the forward running lights runs down the centerline of the deck 
under the forepeak, back to a bulkhead and then down the starboard side of the 
hull near the deck joint. The wiring and distribution panel including toggle 
switches and fuse holders are surely original, 1972.

Neil when I get to further diagnostic procedures I’ll definitely work with one 
fixture at a time, as you and Alan suggest.

Joel yes, when SS screws touch the stemhead it causes a short.  The bases of 
the light fixtures are indeed black plastic.  I’ve had my head and shoulders in 
the anchor locker from the v-berth and don’t find any exposed wiring touching 
the stemhead.

Dennis the plastic lenses are complete domes in these new fixtures, unlike the 
partial domes in the previous ones.  That’s part of why this problem is so 
mystifying.

In any case, Alan has suggested a good diagnostic procedure, which I’ll follow 
soon.  I needed a fix for a night race on Saturday, which I think I won.  I was 
willing to run without the covers, as the bulbs are colored and bright, and the 
conditions weren’t rainy or windy enough to get the bow wet, but the nylon 
screws did the trick.

Thanks again everyone.

Cheers,
Randy Stafford
SV Grenadine
C 30 MK I #79
Ken Caryl, CO

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> On Aug 11, 2022, at 19:24, ALAN BERGEN via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> Try troubleshooting with only one fixture, while the others aren't screwed 
> down. Then screw the cover on without the bulb inserted. If that doesn't blow 
> the fuxe, try it with the bulb inserted. If that blows the fuse, reverse the 
> bulb in the socket. If the problem still persists, rewire the fixture 
> (connect the fixture wires to the opposite source wires.). Keep us informed 
> about what you find.
> 
> Alan Bergen
> 35 Mk III Thirsty
> Rose City YC
> Portland, OR
> 
> 
> 
> On Thu, Aug 11, 2022 at 5:11 PM Randy Stafford via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
>> Hello Listers,
>> 
>> I’m in need of your sage advice or at least hypotheses on an electrical 
>> problem.
>> 
>> Here’s the background.  Late last season my starboard running light bulb 
>> burnt out.  It was a simple incandescent bulb, and the fixtures were 
>> probably original.  So I thought hey, why not replace all three running 
>> lights with LEDs.  In the process of doing that, I accidentally dropped the 
>> port fixture’s dome cover to the bottom of my slip (no chance of recovery; 
>> zero visibility).  So, shit.  I buy three new fixtures which have the same 
>> hole pattern as the old ones but of course take different bulbs so I had to 
>> buy LED festoon-style bulbs too.  What started out as a simple $1.50 bulb 
>> replacement turned into a $150 project.  And of course the new fixtures’ 
>> bases are thicker than the old, so I had to get longer stainless screws and 
>> drill and tap deeper holes in the stemhead casting.
>> 
>> Well, after getting everything back together I discovered the running lights 
>> circuit is blowing its fuse within seconds of switching it on.  But only 
>> when the dome covers are screwed on to forward fixtures (the new stern 
>> fixture including dome cover screws into the teak taffrail and causes no 
>> problems).  I’ve now isolated the misbehavior to screwing the forward dome 
>> covers on.  If I leave the covers off, the LED bulbs burn all night.  I can 
>> press down on the fixtures and twist the LED bulbs around no problem - none 
>> of that causes any contact that shorts the circuit.  If I put the covers on 
>> but don’t screw them down, the LED bulbs burn all night.  But as soon as I 
>> screw those forward covers down, blown fuse.
>> 
>> I’ve pulled the fixtures and looked carefully again at all the wiring, 
>> including in the forepeak under the deck.  There is no pinched wire or cut 
>> insulation.  The wiring to the fixtures goes through different (and much 
>> bigger) holes than any of the screws do.  My heat-shrink butt connections 
>> are tight.  As a short-term solution I just bought some nylon screws to hold 
>> the covers down.  I haven’t tested that yet, but hopefully it works.
>> 
>> Meanwhile I’m pretty mystified.  Any theories?
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> Randy Stafford
>> SV Grenadine
>> C 30 MK I #79
>> Ken Caryl, CO

Stus-List Bilge Pumps

[Randal Stafford via CnC-List]

Hey Listers,

What are your favorite bilge pumps?

I think I’m pretty done with RuleMate 1100s.  I’ve had really mixed experiences 
with their reliability.

I’m general I’d prefer an automatic pump so I don’t have to fuss with a float 
switch, but I could relent on that.

Thanks,
Randy

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Stus-List Re: C 121 in a pickle

[Randal Stafford via CnC-List]

Thank you Dennis and all who replied. I just got a cell signal off Tortola, 
about 25nm ahead.

As of this morning Calypso was some 200nm astern of us; we’re heading 214M to 
the western tip of Jost.  In addition to her previous troubles (broken 
forestay, wrapped prop, etc.) now apparently her autopilot has also failed.  
But her owner is apparently determined to continue to Antigua, and borrow fuel 
to do so, instead of ducking a closer port for repairs. I gather someone dived 
the prop to clear it.

There was a nasty storm between the Carolina coast and Bermuda last weekend. 
PredictWind showed 50 knots forecast, and by last Friday Chris Parker was 
advising boats to get as far south and east as they could, as fast as possible.

I’m crewing the delivery of a Fountaine Pajot Saona 47 from Newport to St. 
Thomas.  We sailed over 300 miles out of our way, almost to the 61st meridian, 
to avoid that storm, adding two days to our trip. And still we saw 41-knot 
gusts last Saturday or Sunday night.  And due to that big low pressure system, 
the wind was out of the south for days instead of the usual easterlies, 
hampering our progress to the Caribbean.

Anyway, I think Calypso was in the darkest red part of that storm and got beat 
up pretty badly.

The delivery captain on my boat, Scott, has a friend Vinny who is delivering 
another boat to Antigua in the Salty Dog Rally, with the owners aboard.  They 
were the closest vessel to Calypso when her distress call came in, and went to 
assist her. Vinny texted Scott about the situation, including issues with crew 
dynamics on Calypso. 

Last night we could have diverted six or eight hours to rendezvous with 
Calypso, but didn’t want to give away our fuel to a captain making (in our 
opinion) unreasonable decisions.  So we never met up.

As far as I know, Calypso’s owner is not on this mail list.

Cheers,
Randy

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> On Nov 9, 2021, at 3:26 PM, Dennis C. via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> Chuck is correct.
> 
> I'm assuming that the 121 Calypso is the one making 5 knots trailing the 
> fleet.
> 
> --
> Dennis C.
> Touche' 35-1 #83
> Mandeville, LA
> 
>> On Tue, Nov 9, 2021 at 1:13 PM Chuck Gilchrest via CnC-List 
>>  wrote:
>> Joe, 
>> Randy’s boat Grenadine is on the hard in Colorado for the season.  Randy is 
>> on a delivery on a different boat.  The delivery skipper’s friend is sailing 
>> Calypso  which lost its headstay.  At least that’s what I read into this.  
>> Chuck Gilchrest 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
 On Nov 9, 2021, at 2:03 PM, Joe Della Barba via CnC-List 
  wrote:
 
>>> 
>>> https://forecast.predictwind.com/tracking/rally/2021-sdsa-caribbean-rally/
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> No Grenadine shows up, but two Calypsos do. One is making 5 knots and the 
>>> other is in Marsh Harbor.
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> Joe Della Barba
>>> 
>>> Coquina C 35 MK I
>>> 
>>> Kent Island MD USA
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
> 
> 
> 
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Stus-List Re: Perfect boat

[Randal Stafford via CnC-List]

Thanks for sharing that Andy.  Good article.

Cheers,
Randy Stafford
SV Grenadine
C 30 MK I #79
Ken Caryl, CO

> On Sep 30, 2021, at 6:04 AM, Andrew Burton via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> This was written a couple of years before I found my 40. Obviously when I 
> wrote it I had the 40 in mind mind! 
> https://www.sailmagazine.com/cruising/cruising-criteria-how-to-pick-the-best-cruiser
>  
> 
> 
> Andy
> 
> Andrew Burton
> 26 Beacon Hill
> Newport, RI 
> USA02840
> 
> http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/ 
> 
> +401 965-5260
> 
> On Sep 30, 2021, at 07:45, JohnKelly Cuthbertson via CnC-List 
> mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
> 
>> From a 1971 article in "Die Jacht" - Germany
>> 
>> Yacht: Will there be the ideal boat one day? 
>> 
>> George Cuthbertson : Yes. If we succeed to answer the categorical desire of 
>> our customers to construct a boat which is larger inside than outside and , 
>> of course , faster than anybody else.
>> 
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Stus-List Re: SV or S.V. or S/V?

[Randal Stafford via CnC-List]

Having myself consulted that great font of knowledge - the Internet - I 
understand the SV/SY distinction to be cultural or regional.  But, given my 
region and citizenship, and the country in which my boat is registered, I’d 
hoped to limit the scope of this debate to just the Sailing Vessel designation 
(which is used as a “Type of ship" in the USCG’s AIS encoding guide: 
https://www.navcen.uscg.gov/pdf/AIS/AISGuide.pdf 
<https://www.navcen.uscg.gov/pdf/AIS/AISGuide.pdf> - numeric code 36).

To me, from a logical perspective, the slash in S/V doesn’t make any sense.  
It’s an acronym for Sailing Vessel, not Sailing/Vessel, so why put a slash in 
it?  I could understand SV or S.V. much more readily.

But on the other hand, if there’s some kind of longstanding tradition that 
makes S/V the most proper stylization, then I guess I could comply with 
tradition instead of logic.

And, to be fair, I shouldn’t have excluded lowercase s/v as a possible 
stylization, because I’ve seen it used too.  But to me that’s even less logical 
than S/V.

Cheers,
Randy

> On Sep 27, 2021, at 11:54 AM, Dreuge  wrote:
> 
> I’ll take the bait and add some.  If you want to split the list along the 
> 49th parallel then add SY (or S/Y) to the mix of discussion.  
> 
> I don’t think there is proper stylization.But if you go to the definitive 
> source of all true facts, i.e. the Internet, you will see SV or S/V but not 
> S.V. (and also SY or S/Y).
> 
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ship_prefix 
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ship_prefix>
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -
> Paul E.
> 1981 C Landfall 38 
> S/V Johanna Rose
> Fort Walton Beach, FL
> 
> http://svjohannarose.blogspot.com/ <http://svjohannarose.blogspot.com/>
> 
>> On Sep 27, 2021, at 1:09 PM, Randal Stafford via CnC-List 
>> mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> warning: religious debate
>> 
>> I’m interested to know the proper (in the US) stylization of the acronym for 
>> Sailing Vessel.  Is it SV, S.V., or S/V?
>> 
>> Thanks in advance for your replies; I’ll go get some popcorn.
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> Randy
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Stus-List SV or S.V. or S/V?

[Randal Stafford via CnC-List]

warning: religious debate

I’m interested to know the proper (in the US) stylization of the acronym for 
Sailing Vessel.  Is it SV, S.V., or S/V?

Thanks in advance for your replies; I’ll go get some popcorn.

Cheers,
Randy
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Stus-List Re: wind instrument

[Randal Stafford via CnC-List]

Hi Marek,

After screwing around for several years with a SailTimer Wind Instrument 
(solar-powered bluetooth-based masthead anemometer) and SailTimer App on an 
iPad velcro’d to the cabin wall - all of which only worked part of the time and 
was generally disappointing - last offseason I switched to a basic Raymarine 
system with a new DST sensor, new masthead wind vane, GPS receiver, iTC-5 hub, 
and MFD.  Yes I had to cut a new through-hull, run cable up the mast and bilge, 
etc.  But it’s been a huge improvement.  I finally have reliable 
instrumentation on the boat, and use it every time out.

Cheers,
Randy Stafford
S/V Grenadine
C 30 MK I #79
Ken Caryl, CO

> On Sep 21, 2021, at 11:59 AM, Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
>  
> I am starting to think about adding the wind instrument to the boat. The main 
> reason is for being able to feed the data (wind direction) to the EV-100 
> autopilot.
>  
> I have a SeatalkNG network on the boat. I don’t have a Raymarine MFC, though 
> (I have a small Garmin chartplotter, instead).
>  
> I am a minimalist (you could say “cheap”), so e.g., I don’t have a Navpod on 
> the binnacle; rather I have two individual RAM mount pods (for the 
> chartplotter and one for the p70s (the autopilot control head).
>  
> I unstep the mast for every winter, so I am biased towards a wireless unit.
>  
> I have a few questions:
>  
> - Any recommendations for the wind instrument (Raymarine, Garmin, B)? My 
> first choice would be a unit that talks NMEA 2000 (SeatalkNG) (as opposed to 
> an analog unit that requires an extra device (iTC-5?) to connect. But this is 
> mainly to control the costs.
>  
> - With limited space at the helm, what is the minimum requirement to feed the 
> wind data to the EV-100 autopilot? I don’t think I need the detailed wind 
> angle displayed, as long as the AP can follow. Though I could put the wind 
> display somewhere else (on the bulkhead?). But if that display is not 
> required AND I could save the cost by not including it, I might be fine with 
> that.
>  
> - Any strong recommendations against the wireless?
>  
> - Any other suggestions or recommendations?
>  
> Thanks
>  
> Marek
>  
> 1994 C270 ”Legato”
> Ottawa, ON
>  
>  
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Stus-List Re: crank handle for roller furling boom on a 30 mk1

[Randal Stafford via CnC-List]

Hi Andrew, and welcome.  For sharing images we typically put them on a google 
drive or whatever, and put the link in the message to the list.

I’ve got 30 MK I hull #79 (1972), with roller-reefing boom, and still have the 
handle.  A previous owner rigged slab reefing, and I added a vang, so obviously 
my roller reefing isn’t used anymore (it’s just a conversation starter now).

But I think Dennis’s recommendation is best for you.

Cheers,
Randy Stafford
S/V Grenadine
C 30 MK I #79
Ken Caryl, CO

> On Sep 22, 2021, at 8:00 PM, andrew macLean via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> Thank you Dennis. This is an elegant solution!
> 
>> On Sep 22, 2021, at 6:57 pm, Dennis C. via CnC-List > > wrote:
>> 
>> Go to mcmaster.com  and order a piece of square tubing 
>> the correct size.  When you get it, drill holes through one end and put a 
>> screwdriver or long bolt through it.  Use it to square up the boom.
>> 
>> https://www.mcmaster.com/square-tubing/ 
>> 
>> 
>> --
>> Dennis C.
>> Touche' 35-1 #83
>> Mandeville, LA
>> 
>> On Wed, Sep 22, 2021 at 6:29 PM andrew_m--- via CnC-List 
>> mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
>> We recently purchased a 1974 C 30 mk1. Our boat has a roller furling boom, 
>> but didn’t come with the crank handle. Does anyone know where I can a get a 
>> crank handle for the roller furling boom on a 1974 C 30 mk1? have one I 
>> can borrow (we're near Victoria BC)? or know of another tool that'll work in 
>> place of the original crank handle? Our boom's stuck at about 30 degrees 
>> from where it should be and I'd love to turn it back.
>> 
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>> 
>> -- 
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>> Touche' 35-1 #83
>> Mandeville, LA
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Stus-List Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Re: anyone gone lithium?

[Randal Stafford via CnC-List]

Forgot to mention I also run a simple Raymarine instrument system on each use - 
DST sensor, wind vane, GPS, hub, and MFD.

Cheers,
Randy

> On Sep 14, 2021, at 1:03 PM, Randal Stafford via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> "The stock system was so adequate for that that I didn't even notice a dead 
> alternator for an entire season.”
> 
> Lol, I think that’s what happened to me.  I bought Grenadine in January 2016; 
> this is my sixth season with her.  She came with a pair of group 29 Everstart 
> lead-acid batteries manufactured 5/14 and 6/14.  I accidentally drained them 
> a couple times with cycling bilge pumps a few years ago.  Brought them home, 
> checked their water levels, charged them up on a cheap smart charger, put 
> them back in the boat, and didn’t give it another thought, but installed 
> check valves downstream of my bilge pumps. :)  Grenadine also has a small 15W 
> solar panel and charge controller for topping up the batteries (and a shore 
> power charge controller, which I don’t use because my slip doesn’t have shore 
> power).
> 
> I use the boat a couple times a week for lake racing and leisure sailing.  
> Ten minutes of motoring twice per use to leave and return to the marina.  
> Aside from starting the A4, I typically run a stereo system, and possibly 
> some nav lights / cabin lights if at night.  That’s it.
> 
> A few weeks ago I went down to the boat for a Wednesday night race and the 
> batteries were dead.  Left and returned to the slip by sail power, raced in 
> between.  Got a jump afterward from another guy’s battery and measured my 
> alternator output at 9.8V (it’s supposed to be 13.7V).  I don’t know when the 
> alternator petered out; it could have been years ago, and the solar panel was 
> enough to keep the batteries charged until they became too worn out to hold a 
> charge.  I did bring the batts home and put one on my charger, and it took 
> over 24 hours and couldn’t get from 99% to 100%.  So I lost trust and bought 
> new ones.
> 
> Thanks for confirming that amp-hour capacity is the upside of lithium.  Now 
> that you mention it, some of my camping buddies have outfitted their rigs 
> with solar and lithium so they can go off-grid for days.  In fact one guy’s 
> system can power low-draw 110V loads like phone chargers.
> 
> If I was using a boat to cruise for days without running the motor to charge 
> the batts, I could see the benefit of a higher-capacity system.
> 
> Cheers,
> Randy Stafford
> S/V Grenadine
> C 30-1 #79
> Ken Caryl, CO
> 
>> On Sep 14, 2021, at 12:22 PM, Dave S via CnC-List > <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> Which is more or less what I paid for a group31 LiFePo battery...  When I 
>> really shopped it (industrial sources) I was pleasantly surprised at the 
>> price.
>> 
>> Whether it's of benefit really depends on your use as Randy stated.   When I 
>> first bought windstar I only daysailed and plugged in every night.   The 
>> stock system was so adequate for that that I didn't even notice a dead 
>> alternator for an entire season.  I did finally replace it even though the 
>> cost clearly wasn't justified.  ;-)   
>> 
>> My more recent scope was to have multiple consecutive days off the grid so I 
>> needed to do something.  (all well documented along with the arithmetic on 
>> the blog) 
>> 
>> I too thought that LiFePo was cost prohibitive for less than 5 year time 
>> horizon, however the lower than expected first cost and utterly carefree 
>> electrical system have made them a slam dunk. From memory, vs AGM the cost 
>> difference might have been C$400 max.  as I worked my way though the 
>> project, I had an epiphany as I climbed a ladder with two group 31s in one 
>> hand, and had further epiphanies when I managed to fit ALL my new batteries 
>> and battery management hardware in a much smaller footprint than previously, 
>> while simultaneously doubling my usable house bank capacity.  I was also 
>> surprised at how quickly they charge.  After one season with solar/lithium I 
>> have enough confidence in the system that when I renew my marina contract 
>> next year, I will decline the need for shore power and will save 
>> C$400/season as a bonus.
>> To be clear, my enthusiasm is as much about a successful solar install as 
>> the LiFePo batteries themselves.
>> 
>> Dave
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Stus-List Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Re: anyone gone lithium?

[Randal Stafford via CnC-List]

"The stock system was so adequate for that that I didn't even notice a dead 
alternator for an entire season.”

Lol, I think that’s what happened to me.  I bought Grenadine in January 2016; 
this is my sixth season with her.  She came with a pair of group 29 Everstart 
lead-acid batteries manufactured 5/14 and 6/14.  I accidentally drained them a 
couple times with cycling bilge pumps a few years ago.  Brought them home, 
checked their water levels, charged them up on a cheap smart charger, put them 
back in the boat, and didn’t give it another thought, but installed check 
valves downstream of my bilge pumps. :)  Grenadine also has a small 15W solar 
panel and charge controller for topping up the batteries (and a shore power 
charge controller, which I don’t use because my slip doesn’t have shore power).

I use the boat a couple times a week for lake racing and leisure sailing.  Ten 
minutes of motoring twice per use to leave and return to the marina.  Aside 
from starting the A4, I typically run a stereo system, and possibly some nav 
lights / cabin lights if at night.  That’s it.

A few weeks ago I went down to the boat for a Wednesday night race and the 
batteries were dead.  Left and returned to the slip by sail power, raced in 
between.  Got a jump afterward from another guy’s battery and measured my 
alternator output at 9.8V (it’s supposed to be 13.7V).  I don’t know when the 
alternator petered out; it could have been years ago, and the solar panel was 
enough to keep the batteries charged until they became too worn out to hold a 
charge.  I did bring the batts home and put one on my charger, and it took over 
24 hours and couldn’t get from 99% to 100%.  So I lost trust and bought new 
ones.

Thanks for confirming that amp-hour capacity is the upside of lithium.  Now 
that you mention it, some of my camping buddies have outfitted their rigs with 
solar and lithium so they can go off-grid for days.  In fact one guy’s system 
can power low-draw 110V loads like phone chargers.

If I was using a boat to cruise for days without running the motor to charge 
the batts, I could see the benefit of a higher-capacity system.

Cheers,
Randy Stafford
S/V Grenadine
C 30-1 #79
Ken Caryl, CO

> On Sep 14, 2021, at 12:22 PM, Dave S via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> Which is more or less what I paid for a group31 LiFePo battery...  When I 
> really shopped it (industrial sources) I was pleasantly surprised at the 
> price.
> 
> Whether it's of benefit really depends on your use as Randy stated.   When I 
> first bought windstar I only daysailed and plugged in every night.   The 
> stock system was so adequate for that that I didn't even notice a dead 
> alternator for an entire season.  I did finally replace it even though the 
> cost clearly wasn't justified.  ;-)   
> 
> My more recent scope was to have multiple consecutive days off the grid so I 
> needed to do something.  (all well documented along with the arithmetic on 
> the blog) 
> 
> I too thought that LiFePo was cost prohibitive for less than 5 year time 
> horizon, however the lower than expected first cost and utterly carefree 
> electrical system have made them a slam dunk. From memory, vs AGM the cost 
> difference might have been C$400 max.  as I worked my way though the project, 
> I had an epiphany as I climbed a ladder with two group 31s in one hand, and 
> had further epiphanies when I managed to fit ALL my new batteries and battery 
> management hardware in a much smaller footprint than previously, while 
> simultaneously doubling my usable house bank capacity.  I was also surprised 
> at how quickly they charge.  After one season with solar/lithium I have 
> enough confidence in the system that when I renew my marina contract next 
> year, I will decline the need for shore power and will save C$400/season as a 
> bonus.
> To be clear, my enthusiasm is as much about a successful solar install as the 
> LiFePo batteries themselves.
> 
> Dave
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Stus-List Re: anyone gone lithium?

[Randal Stafford via CnC-List]

What’s the upside?

I got seven years out of a pair of group 29s Everstarts from Walmart, just 
replaced for $90 each.  And I just replaced the alternator on my A4, which 
lasted 49 years.

But the way I use my boat doesn’t require having a state-of-the-art battery 
system.

Cheers,
Randy

> On Sep 14, 2021, at 7:27 AM, Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> My batteries are about shot and I am thinking of going to lithium batteries. 
> I have to say I thought I knew this stuff and it seems massively confusing 
> with a ton of directly contradictory information. One big issue seems that if 
> the BMS disconnects for any reason, that will do a lot of damage to your 
> alternator and perhaps other equipment too. Add to that my regulator does not 
> have a specific lithium setting, I would need to get into the custom menus 
> and try and make one.
> What seems to be the best bet is just to connect the alternator to the start 
> battery and use a DC-DC charger to charge the lithium bank. Some of them also 
> take solar input, so that saves me buying a solar controller with lithium 
> settings, which is something else I don’t currently have.
>  
> Joe
> Coquina
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Stus-List Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: C 33-II vs 35-II now race course design

[Randal Stafford via CnC-List]

Very interesting Marek!  I raced USSA, college, and post-college corporate 
leagues for a good 25 years: SL, DS, GS, DH.  Before rapid gates and SG.  Tore 
myself up a couple times, can’t risk that again at 58 else I’d race Masters.  
It’s a thrill like no other.

Cheers,
Randy

> On Sep 12, 2021, at 5:27 PM, Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> I am with Dwight on that.
> 
> Any handicap system can be abused, mined, rigged, games etc.
> 
> If you are having fun doing it, you are already a winner.
> 
> I don't participate in sailboat racing lately, but I race intensively 
> somewhere else (alpine skiing). The handicapping works only so well. But you 
> can pick up a few participants with whom you are close, and you can compete 
> with them. Or with yourself.
> 
> Marek
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Sent from my Android-based can on a string
> 
> 
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Stus-List Re: the rum is gone! (and the boat too)

[Randal Stafford via CnC-List]

Whoa!

I hope your boat survives and you get it back!

Cheers,
Randy

> On Sep 12, 2021, at 6:19 AM, Graham Collins via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> List member John noticed a posting on BoatWatch 
> 
>  and connected the dots that it is my boat missing.  The short version - 
> Wednesday night my boat was stolen, sailed out of Halifax into the middle of  
> Hurricane Larry, where the thief had sufficient issues to merit activating a 
> PLB that was onboard.  PLB battery has since died, and searching for the boat 
> has only resulted in sighting flares Friday night.
> 
> Working theory is that the thief is an escaped drug smuggler from Antigua who 
> had recently been arrested smuggling $60m of coke into the country (by 
> sailboat) and escaped during a hospital checkup.
> 
> I couldn't make this up...
> 
> -- 
> Graham Collins
> Secret Plans
> C 35-III #11
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Stus-List Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: C 33-II vs 35-II now race course design

[Randal Stafford via CnC-List]

I can relate.  I’m the only guy on my crew who knows how to work foredeck.  My 
genoa’s not on a furler.  My spinnaker is symmetrical and has a dousing sock 
(extra halyard to keep unfouled).  After a trip around the racecourse on my 
smallish lake, I’m pretty exhausted.  And I’m getting whooped by boats with 
furling headsails and asyms on top-down furlers.  Takes them about 30 seconds 
to swap sail plans whenever necessary, while I’m contending with a large heavy 
spinnaker pole, and a general hot mess on the foredeck.  I’m going to furlers 
and an asym for next season.

Cheers,
Randy Stafford
S/V Grenadine
C 30-1 #79
Ken Caryl, CO

> On Sep 11, 2021, at 5:14 AM, David Risch via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> It was my understanding that PHRF ratings factored in reaching. 
>  
> That said.   1 ¼ mile W/L course(s) on a sym 40’  got old real fast.   Needed 
> 8 crew.  And then burnt out that crew in a 4 race a day regatta.   No fun.
>  
>  
> We stopped that silliness years ago. 
>  
> Only long distance now.
>  
> From: Randal Stafford via CnC-List  
> Sent: Friday, September 10, 2021 10:58 PM
> To: Stus-List 
> Cc: Randal Stafford 
> Subject: Stus-List Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: C 33-II vs 35-II now race course 
> design
>  
> This debate has raged within Colorado Sail & Yacht Club for the last several 
> years.  The J/22 racers argue that the larger PHRF boats (spinnaker or not) 
> should sail windward/leeward courses like they do.  The larger PHRF boats 
> (including spinnaker boats) like reaching because that’s when they’re 
> fastest.  And it’s not unusual for RC’s best-laid plans to be ruined by 
> mother nature (e.g. 180-degree wind shifts after a race has started on a 
> course around fixed buoys).
>  
> I conclude that a single rating number is a poor compromise across multiple 
> points of sail and a range of wind speeds - it’s like estimating a surface 
> with a point.  I win when it’s blowing hard, but get beat in light air by 
> asym boats on broad reach.  There’s no way a single number can equalize boats 
> across all possible courses and conditions.
>  
> So as an experiment we’ve done what Donald Kern mentioned in another reply - 
> sometimes we make the J/22s and Capri 22s sail triangles in addition to W/L, 
> and the larger PHRF boats sail W/L in addition to triangles, using long 
> courses that combine course types.  At the very least it gives us some 
> empathy for each other.
>  
> Cheers,
> Randy Stafford
> S/V Grenadine
> C 30-1 #79
> Ken Caryl, CO
> 
> 
> On Sep 10, 2021, at 12:49 PM, Andrew Burton via CnC-List 
> mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
>  
> Joe, Kenny Read agrees with you. He wrote an article to that effect some 
> months ago. 
>  
> Andy
> 
> Andrew Burton
> 26 Beacon Hill
> Newport, RI 
> USA 02840
>  
> +401 965 5260
> https://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/ 
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> 
> 
> On Sep 10, 2021, at 12:35, Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List 
> mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
> 
> 
> I have been in races that were almost 100% downwind or 100% upwind, thanks to 
> perfect timing of wind shifts. Somehow it worked out and the PHRF ratings are 
> what they are and we dealt with it.
> 
> I know many people disagree, but IMHO making big boat racing resemble dinghy 
> racing and making dinghy racing a science experiment with perfect upwind and 
> downwind legs has not been a good thing at all. I once had 3 dinghy fleets 
> and sent the Lasers reaching up the river a bit to deconflict them with the 
> other fleets and I never heard so much whining – we can’t sail on a REACH! It 
> turned out you actually can if the RC makes you 
> 
> YMMV
> 
> Joe
> 
> Coquina
> 
> 
> 
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> Thanks 

Stus-List Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: C 33-II vs 35-II now race course design

[Randal Stafford via CnC-List]

This debate has raged within Colorado Sail & Yacht Club for the last several 
years.  The J/22 racers argue that the larger PHRF boats (spinnaker or not) 
should sail windward/leeward courses like they do.  The larger PHRF boats 
(including spinnaker boats) like reaching because that’s when they’re fastest.  
And it’s not unusual for RC’s best-laid plans to be ruined by mother nature 
(e.g. 180-degree wind shifts after a race has started on a course around fixed 
buoys).

I conclude that a single rating number is a poor compromise across multiple 
points of sail and a range of wind speeds - it’s like estimating a surface with 
a point.  I win when it’s blowing hard, but get beat in light air by asym boats 
on broad reach.  There’s no way a single number can equalize boats across all 
possible courses and conditions.

So as an experiment we’ve done what Donald Kern mentioned in another reply - 
sometimes we make the J/22s and Capri 22s sail triangles in addition to W/L, 
and the larger PHRF boats sail W/L in addition to triangles, using long courses 
that combine course types.  At the very least it gives us some empathy for each 
other.

Cheers,
Randy Stafford
S/V Grenadine
C 30-1 #79
Ken Caryl, CO

> On Sep 10, 2021, at 12:49 PM, Andrew Burton via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> Joe, Kenny Read agrees with you. He wrote an article to that effect some 
> months ago. 
> 
> Andy
> 
> Andrew Burton
> 26 Beacon Hill
> Newport, RI 
> USA 02840
> 
> +401 965 5260
> https://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/ 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Sep 10, 2021, at 12:35, Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> I have been in races that were almost 100% downwind or 100% upwind, thanks 
>> to perfect timing of wind shifts. Somehow it worked out and the PHRF ratings 
>> are what they are and we dealt with it.
>> 
>> I know many people disagree, but IMHO making big boat racing resemble dinghy 
>> racing and making dinghy racing a science experiment with perfect upwind and 
>> downwind legs has not been a good thing at all. I once had 3 dinghy fleets 
>> and sent the Lasers reaching up the river a bit to deconflict them with the 
>> other fleets and I never heard so much whining – we can’t sail on a REACH! 
>> It turned out you actually can if the RC makes you 
>> 
>> YMMV
>> 
>> Joe
>> 
>> Coquina
>> 
>> 
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>> the costs involved.  If you want to show your support to the list - use 
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Stus-List Re: Moving on up!

[Randal Stafford via CnC-List]

The Hylas 44 is a stout and seaworthy boat.  Chuck Scheaffer and Paul Hood and 
I, and Joel, and another guy Mark Shaffer not on this list, delivered Atlantis 
from Bermuda to Annapolis in June.  We crossed the Gulf Stream in the remnants 
of Tropical Storm Claudette and it was blowing at least 50 knots with very 
confused seas.  Both in those conditions, and in other really awesome 
conditions on that voyage, the Hylas 44 handled very well.

Cheers,
Randy Stafford
S/V Grenadine
C 30-1 #79
Ken Caryl, CO

> On Sep 5, 2021, at 12:11 PM, Joel Aronson via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> I got a case of 5 foot itis. We bought a Hylas 49 and am selling Atlantis, 
> our Hylas 44. 
> Randy Paul and Chuck have been offshore on her and can attest to her ability. 
> 
> If interested please let me know. 
> 
> Joel
> -- 
> Joel 
> 
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Stus-List Re: IDA - C check in

[Randal Stafford via CnC-List]

Dennis, Ed, glad to hear things aren’t worse.  Please do update us on your 
boats when you can.

Meanwhile I have kinfolk in Metarie and Walker.  Haven’t heard from Metarie 
yet, but lots of downed trees in Walker, and no power or water.

Cheers,
Randy Stafford
S/V Grenadine
C 30-1 #79
Ken Caryl, CO

> On Aug 30, 2021, at 3:06 PM, Dennis C. via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> The Admiral and I spent a scary sleepless night listening to 50-70 mph gusts 
> working on the many big trees around the house. One branch took out a couple 
> panes of glass in the master bedroom and the top 15-20 feet of a large oak 
> tree in the front yard bent over but stayed in the tree. Lots of branches in 
> the yard this morning. Otherwise we’re okay. 
> 
> Fortunately, the eye passed about 20 miles east of us so we got very little 
> rain. 
> 
> We have no power, internet or cable.  We just got cell phone service about an 
> hour ago. 
> 
> The water in Touche’s marina was 4.5 feet over the dock.  I have not heard 
> any news about Touche’ yet. The water is still high in the marina. 
> 
> Our friends in New Orleans might not have been so fortunate. Hope to hear 
> from Ed Levert and Kevin Benoit but suspect it may be a while.  A major 
> electrical transmission tower blew down and left all of Orleans Parish 
> without power. That will not be an easy fix. 
> 
> Dennis C.
> Touché 35-1 #83
> Mandeville,LA
> 
>> On Aug 30, 2021, at 8:10 AM, Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Everyone OK in the Gulf area?
>>  
>> BTW, either a storm jib or storm jib + triple reefed main works for me in 50.
>> 50 foot waves though ………..I think I would pass on that one! That is 
>> almost mast height! YIKES! I have never been in waves higher than the boat 
>> is long and look to continue that trend.
>>  
>> Joe
>> Coquina
>> C 35 MK I
>>  
>> From: Bill and Gaynor Hoyne via CnC-List  
>> Sent: Sunday, August 29, 2021 1:31 PM
>> To: Stus-List 
>> Cc: Stu ; Bill and Gaynor Hoyne 
>> Subject: [EXTERNAL] Stus-List Re: Don't forget the upcoming rendezvous
>>  
>> Hi All,
>> I am on a drillship just south east of hurricane Ida. We rode out the edge 
>> of the hurricane last night. We were about 80-100 miles from the centre of 
>> the storm. It was a bumpy ride! Saw some 50’ waves and 50+ knots wind. Lots 
>> of big breaking waves. I was wondering what sail configuration would have 
>> worked out here :-) :-) 
>> If the internet is working better I will try to join the meeting.
>> The Hurricane is about to hit New Orleans and Louisiana later this morning. 
>> Lets let Dennis and the southern gang know we are thinking of them! I wish 
>> them all the best, it’s going to be a tough go!
>>  
>> Stay safe out there!!
>>  
>> Bil
>>  
>> Bill Hoyne
>> Mithrandir
>> ’74 C MkII
>> in Victoria,BC
>>  
>> 
>> 
>>  
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Stus-List Anyone Affected By Henri?

[Randal Stafford via CnC-List]

Any listers in Henri’s path?

I saw a picture in the New York Times this morning of a couple large keelboats 
ashore on Conanicut Island (Jamestown, RI).  This fall I’m crewing the delivery 
of an Astrea 42 from Newport to Tortola, via Bermuda, as part of an offshore 
passage-making class from New England Sailing Center located in Jamestown.  
This morning a NESC employee emailed me that their fleet survived just fine due 
to double-bridling the boats to their moorings (and one bridle had snapped, so 
it was good that it was doubled).  She said all the boats ashore had bridle 
failures, except one that had a mooring ball screw failure and dragged its ball 
ashore.

I hope y’all in New England are getting through Henri with no damage.

Cheers,
Randy Stafford
S/V Grenadine
C 30 MK I #79
Ken Caryl, CO
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Stus-List Re: halyard/sheet bags

[Randal Stafford via CnC-List]

My genoa halyard occasionally gets fouled on the galley sink foot pump.  And I 
have melted spots into fenders when they fall onto the prop shaft from the 
lazaret.

Cheers,
Randy

> On Aug 16, 2021, at 8:25 PM, Martin DeYoung via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> Funny story about dropping halyard tails down the companion way hatch:
> We did that on a custom 2 toner back in the early 80’s until a tail got 
> caught in the prop shaft. The 2 toner was stripped out enough down below that 
> there was a small gap behind the engine box.
> 
> After that I always checked before dropping the tails.
> 
> Martin DeYoung
> Calypso 
> 1971 C 43
> Seattle/Port Townsend’s yard 
> 
>> On Aug 16, 2021, at 6:08 AM, Matthew via CnC-List > > wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Chuck:
>>  
>> My 42 has winches around the mast for halyards.  When in 
>> use, we coil line around the winches.  When not in use, there’s not much to 
>> store.
>>  
>> My main sheet, Cunningham, main outhaul, chute downhaul 
>> (foreguy), and traveler control lines all lead to the front of the cockpit.  
>> Like others, we just let them hang down the companionway when in use.  When 
>> not in use, we coil lines around winches.  An issue someone pointed out to 
>> me is that one of our fire extinguishers is mounted in a location that a 
>> hanging line could grab it.  Haven’t settled on a solution for that yet.
>>  
>> From: CHARLES SCHEAFFER via CnC-List > > 
>> Sent: Saturday, August 14, 2021 5:52 PM
>> To: CNC boat owners, cnc-list > >
>> Cc: CHARLES SCHEAFFER > >
>> Subject: Stus-List halyard/sheet bags
>>  
>> Hey guys,
>>  
>> What is everybody using for halyard bags for the lines next to the 
>> companionway and also sheet bags for the genoa sheets.  Anybody have 
>> suggestions?  Pictures?
>>  
>> Chuck Scheaffer, Resolute 1989 C 34R
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Stus-List Re: halyard/sheet bags

[Randal Stafford via CnC-List]

Hi Chuck,

I run the tails of my halyards and vang down the companionway, and coil each 
one on the cabin sole in such a way that it can run out freely when needed.  
The tail of my working genoa sheet is usually coiled on the cockpit bench.  The 
sheet length is such that the lazy sheet only has a couple feet of tail, 
usually wrapped around the winch ready for the next tack or gybe.  My mainsheet 
is coiled on the cockpit sole, and my traveler lines are coiled on the bench 
between the traveler and transom.  My spinnaker sheets when not in use are 
coiled on the side deck between cockpit coaming and stern pulpit.

Cheers,
Randy

> On Aug 14, 2021, at 3:51 PM, CHARLES SCHEAFFER via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hey guys,
>  
> What is everybody using for halyard bags for the lines next to the 
> companionway and also sheet bags for the genoa sheets.  Anybody have 
> suggestions?  Pictures?
>  
> Chuck Scheaffer, Resolute 1989 C 34R
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Stus-List Re: Reefing Hook(s) for CnC 30 Mk1

[Randal Stafford via CnC-List]

I got mine from Rig-Rite.  Search for “RR 54-B7-35A” on this page: 
https://www.rigrite.com/Spars/SparParts/Reef_Hooks.php#Reef%20Hook/Tack%20Assemblies
 

They’re proud of the damned things.  I’m embarrassed to say what I paid for it. 
 They know they’ve got you by the short hairs.

Cheers,
Randy Stafford
S/V Grenadine
C 30 MK I #79
Ken Caryl, CO

> On Aug 2, 2021, at 10:58 AM, Alexander Netherton via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hello all , 
> 
> Recently purchased CnC 30 Mk 1 does not have any reefing hooks.  A 
> neighbouring similar CnC does.  Do  you know where I could purchase this 
> fitting, or failing that, make an alternative reefing solution.  The previous 
> owner said it was always on his to do list, but alas, he did not do it. 
> 
> Thanks, Alex,  Dulcibella, Nanaimo. 
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Stus-List Re: Rescue at sea.

[Randal Stafford via CnC-List]

Well that’s a whole ’nother level.

Perhaps the original poster Dave, who knows Kim Steeby, will have a chance to 
speak with him sometime about the voyage and rescue, and could provide an 
update.

Cheers,
Randy

> On Jul 2, 2021, at 8:32 AM, RONALD CASCIATO via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> So, keeping the conspiracy thread alive.that video seems too "well done" 
> , do you think a tanker keeps a film crew on board
> That said, there's a lot of positive PR perks to have a video of your 
> freighter crew saving a helpless boater...
> Or, maybe this could be a "crew training" exercise.filmed for future crew 
> training..
>  
> The eternal skeptic
> Ron C.
>> On 07/02/2021 9:18 AM Joel Aronson via CnC-List  
>> wrote:
>>  
>>  
>> David,
>>  
>> You're not being a jerk, just asking what we were all wondering.  The boat 
>> seemed sound, with solar and wind, sails intact and engine running.  
>>  
>> Personally, I would not do the trip solo, and certainly not on a 35 footer, 
>> but that is a whole different question.
>>  
>> Joel
>> 

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Stus-List Re: Rescue at sea.

[Randal Stafford via CnC-List]

At 2:20 in the video a voice says the captain is very tired and has been at sea 
for at least 7 days.  The document at 17:19 says Mr. Steeby left Virginia 5 
June, arrived Bermuda 11 June and was refused entry.  It says after three days 
of drifting in bad weather he was lost.  So that would have been 14 June.  I 
agree that from what could be seen on the video the boat looked operative.  
Maybe he sought help out of exhaustion.

I arrived in Bermuda on June 16th to crew the delivery of Joel Aronson’s Hylas 
44 Atlantis back to the US June 17-22.  Joel had sailed Atlantis to Bermuda a 
couple weeks before that with four aboard.  For months in advance Joel and the 
delivery crew had been monitoring and discussing Bermuda’s COVID-related entry 
requirements (by sea and air).  Yes, it was a stringent process that required 
fast turnaround of pre-departure PCR tests and travel authorization 
applications.  Given the weather we encountered on several days of our passage 
(with a crew of five, split into watches), I imagine it would have been 
extremely exhausting for Mr. Steeby to have been sailing solo for nine or more 
days.

Best Regards,
Randy Stafford
S/V Grenadine
C 30-1 #79
Ken Caryl, CO

> On Jul 1, 2021, at 11:52 AM, Charlie Nelson via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> I could not determine from the video what went wrong that the skipper 
> required rescue--I could see exhaust from Jenny on the video and the sails 
> looked fine--although the spreaders may have been damaged while she was tied 
> up to the BIG ship.
> 
> Anyone know the "...rest of the story..."?
> 
> Charlie Nelson
> Water Phantom
> 1995 C XL/kcb
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: John McCrea via CnC-List  <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
> To: 'Stus-List' mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
> Cc: johnmcc...@comcast.net <mailto:johnmcc...@comcast.net>
> Sent: Thu, Jul 1, 2021 1:30 pm
> Subject: Stus-List Re: Rescue at sea.
> 
> Wow, I was just out there 3 days after that. I did the return leg of the 
> Bermuda 1-2. Flex in on 6/14 from Boston. It was a process getting the Travel 
> Authorization. Submitting you’re your online application with evidence of a 
> vacine card and PCR test two days before I left and then another before you 
> are allowed to leave the airport. Then quarantine in your room until they 
> email you. (I must be honest me and another friend that was returning on 
> another boat had a nice rental apartment and we had another Skipper drop-off 
> beer and steaks, thanks to Tom Kent on Kent Racing a Class 40). 
>  
> They had just opened up inside dining the week before we got there and the 
> whole island is still very much where we were back a few months ago. But 
> still my favorite place and my 5th 1-2. Hoping to go on my boat someday but 
> she will need some big upgrades! I was on a very nicely equipped Tartan 35 
> but one thing it did not have was a second autopilot and yup the inevitable 
> happened and we steered close to 700 miles by hand! 8 days later and finally 
> feel normal again.
>  
> From: Randal Stafford via CnC-List  <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> 
> Sent: Thursday, July 1, 2021 12:37 PM
> To: Stus-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
> Cc: Randal Stafford  <mailto:randal.staff...@icloud.com>>
> Subject: Stus-List Re: Rescue at sea.
>  
> So I assume S/V Jenny is adrift somewhere in the North Atlantic?  It was 
> tough to see her hull and spreaders banging into that tanker.  I wonder what 
> will become of the boat - how long it can stay afloat, where it will end up.
>  
> I guess eventually the guy would have run out of water and provisions.
>  
> Cheers,
> Randy
> 
> 
> On Jun 30, 2021, at 12:46 PM, Joel Aronson via CnC-List 
> mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
>  
> We left Virginia 3 days after this guy!  
>  
> Bermuda requires a covid travel authorization and test, but I'm shocked they 
> refused entry.  However, they are Covid-paranoid, as almost every case they 
> have seen has been from a foreign traveler.
> I know another sailor who was permitted entry to make repairs on his way to 
> Puerto Rico this winter.
>  
> Wonder what the rest of the story is.
>  
> Joel
>  
>  
> <http://www.avg.com/email-signature?utm_medium=email_source=link_campaign=sig-email_content=webmail>
>  
> Virus-free. www.avg.com 
> <http://www.avg.com/email-signature?utm_medium=email_source=link_campaign=sig-email_content=webmail>
>  
> On Wed, Jun 30, 2021 at 2:38 PM Steve Thomas via CnC-List 
> mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
> Wow. 
> Refused entry to the harbour. 
> Not the Bermuda I remember. 
> Steve Thomas
> -- Original Message --
> From: cnc-list@cnc-list.com <mai

Stus-List Re: Rescue at sea.

[Randal Stafford via CnC-List]

So I assume S/V Jenny is adrift somewhere in the North Atlantic?  It was tough 
to see her hull and spreaders banging into that tanker.  I wonder what will 
become of the boat - how long it can stay afloat, where it will end up.

I guess eventually the guy would have run out of water and provisions.

Cheers,
Randy

> On Jun 30, 2021, at 12:46 PM, Joel Aronson via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> We left Virginia 3 days after this guy!  
> 
> Bermuda requires a covid travel authorization and test, but I'm shocked they 
> refused entry.  However, they are Covid-paranoid, as almost every case they 
> have seen has been from a foreign traveler.
> I know another sailor who was permitted entry to make repairs on his way to 
> Puerto Rico this winter.
> 
> Wonder what the rest of the story is.
> 
> Joel
> 
>  
> 
>  Virus-free. www.avg.com 
> 
>  
> On Wed, Jun 30, 2021 at 2:38 PM Steve Thomas via CnC-List 
> mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
> Wow. 
> Refused entry to the harbour. 
> 
> Not the Bermuda I remember. 
> 
> Steve Thomas
> 
> -- Original Message --
> From: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
> Cc: dave.god...@me.com 
> Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2021 1:20 PM
> Subject: Stus-List Rescue at sea.
> 
> I’m posting this thread because there may those amongst the list that will 
> find this interesting.
> 
> This post is somewhat C related because the subject of the video upgraded 
> his boat near mine. He just did his upgrades with much more alacrity.
> 
> Kim is an acquaintance of mine, lives in the same town and has attended more 
> than one of our annual Sock Burning Parties. I’ve assisted him with some of 
> his projects. Prior to his setting sail for Bermuda, I worked along with 
> another very experience offshore sailor (in the yard repainting his Valiant 
> 42 with triple spreader carbon rig) to get him prepped and sorted away. The 
> Valiant owner leant Kim his life raft. Having raced to Bermuda in the past 
> Kim was keen for any insights that I could impart. I told him to stay away 
> from the Swizzle Inn rum swizzles and take the round-abouts in a clock-wise 
> direction...
> 
> I don’t have any insights or knowledge of events other than what is portrayed 
> in the video and I’m not going to speculate.
> 
> This voyage was a long-term dream of Kim’s. His boat is a mid-to-late 80’s 
> Jeanneau, around 35 feet.
> 
> Rescue at Sea 
> 
> Regards,
> Dave Godwin
> 1982 C 37 - Ronin
> 1998 Mast & Mallet Thomas Point 34 - Katana
> Reedville, VA
> 
> 
> 
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Stus-List Best Head Pump Lube

[Randal Stafford via CnC-List]

This is kind of a shitty subject, but I’d like to hear y’all’s recommendations 
for lubricant for the shaft of a Jabsco manual head pump.  Mine’s getting 
squeaky and stiff.

Thanks,
Randy
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Stus-List Re: Parting Out C 30-1

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FYI, I had the following interaction with the guy (Joe) on Facebook Marketplace:

Randy: Hi, are the cover and furler still available?

Joe: Yes, it's available.
Joe: 750 for the furler
Joe: 500 for the cover

Randy: How old are they?

Joe: Gosh idk. We’re talking older boats here. If your just here hunting for 
deals best take your business somewhere else

——

I won’t be interacting further.

Cheers,
Randy Stafford
S/V Grenadine
C 30 MK I #79
Ken Caryl, CO

> On May 14, 2021, at 5:28 PM, Peter Fell via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> Not mine  perhaps of some interest: 
> https://www.usedvictoria.com/all/38880626 
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Stus-List Re: How is this boat related to C?

[Randal Stafford via CnC-List]

To my eye, the Bob Perry influence shows up in the long cockpit.  The boat 
looks like an Islander above the sheerline.

Cheers,
Randy

> On May 14, 2021, at 11:30 AM, Shawn Wright via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> There is a Mirage 33 across the dock from me (and a friend has a 35, which is 
> the same with a reverse transom), and it is definitely very different from a 
> C below the waterline. Nice boat and a nice interior.
> 
> --
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> shawngwri...@gmail.com 
> S/V Callisto, 1974 C 35
> https://www.facebook.com/SVCallisto 
> 
> 
> On Thu, May 13, 2021 at 3:06 PM Joe Della Barba via CnC-List 
> mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
> https://www.yachtworld.com/boats/1985/mirage-35-3695321/ 
> 
>  
> 
> It says a Bob Perry design, but that REALLY looks likes a C
> 
> ???
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> Joe Della Barba
> 
> Coquina C 35 MK I
> 
> Kent Island MD USA
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
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Stus-List Re: A4 Slips Out of Gear

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Well, almost five years later, I finally did this clutch adjustment, following 
the procedure in the Moyer manual.  The actual adjustment was pretty 
straightforward; no problems there except the contortions required to access 
the gearbox from the lazarets of a 30 MK I.  I turned the adjustment collar 
only one notch.  However it was a bit of a struggle to get everything 
reassembled.  I had to re-tap one of the bolt holes to make its bolt thread.  
And I had to disconnect the shift cable to get the starboard two bolts aligned 
through its angle iron and gearbox access plate, then re-connect the shift 
cable ensuring correct adjustment.  But, good news, last night I pushed her 
throttle wide open with five guys on board, and drove her at 6+ knots under 
power.  I haven’t been able to do that since buying the boat - before, her 
clutch would slip beyond half-throttle.

Cheers,
Randy Stafford
S/V Grenadine
C 30 MK I #79
Ken Caryl, CO

> On Sep 3, 2016, at 9:53 AM, Ken Walters via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> Randy,
> Probably a pretty straight forward  adjustment in the gear box. Mine did this 
> when I bought it and a knowledgable A4 mechanic fixed it in about an hour 
> after unknowledgeable mechanics dorked around for many hours on cables, 
> props, etc. and many hundreds of dollars. There is definitely help to be had 
> on the Moyer forums for this exact issue. It is also covered in detail on the 
> Moyer A4 overhaul manual.
> 
> If you are handy you can fix it yourself in about 30 minutes. You take off 
> the gearbox cover plate, remove a set screw that holds a clutch ring/collar 
> thing in place, rotate ring one way or the other one notch, put screw back 
> in, do not drop screw down inside gearbox, test it out. It may make getting 
> the engine in or out of gear a bit harder, there is a trade off. There is 
> also an after market collar with notches closer together to avoid the too 
> much too little issue.
> There are times when you need to know that you have maximum thrust - like 
> when you are about to ram another boat or dock. To my mind this is a serious 
> safety issue. A young, strong crewman fended my stern off when this happened 
> to me while backing out of my slip in high wind. I parked the boat 
> immediately and called a yard with A4 experience.
> If you cannot find the adjustment instructions on the Moyer site, contact me 
> off list and I will send you a PDF.
> Ken
> 33-1 '75 A4
> 
> 
> 
> Created on a small keyboard with fat fingers...
> 
> 
> On Sep 3, 2016, at 11:17 AM, Josh Muckley via CnC-List  > wrote:
> 
>> You may find that the engine is moving independent of the shift cable.  With 
>> older/softer engine mounts the thrust may be moving the engine 
>> closer/further from the cable.  Most cables are attached to the engine so 
>> this doesn't happen but if the cable of mount is broken or failing it may be 
>> causing the problem.  Get a partner to create the problem while you are 
>> watching the engine.
>> 
>> It could also be as simple as adjusting the cable.
>> 
>> Josh Muckley
>> S/V Sea Hawk
>> 1989 C 37+
>> Solomons, MD
>> 
>> 
>> On Sep 3, 2016 10:23 AM, "Randy Stafford via CnC-List" 
>> mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
>> Listers-
>> 
>> My Atomic-4 slips out of gear in forward if I open the throttle too much, 
>> especially under heavy load. It's not really a problem, because I don't need 
>> that much throttle. But I'm just wondering if this a common and fixable 
>> issue, or a safety feature, or what.
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> Randy
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
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Stus-List Re: Glassing Over Instrument Holes Through Double Bulkheads

[Randal Stafford via CnC-List]

Thanks Dave.  I believe these are the procedures you’re referring to: 
https://www.westsystem.com/wp-content/uploads/Fiberglass-Manual-2015.pdf 
<https://www.westsystem.com/wp-content/uploads/Fiberglass-Manual-2015.pdf>

Cheers,
Randy

> On Apr 20, 2021, at 5:03 PM, Dave Godwin via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> Randy,
> 
> What Doug said.  I watched that video and that was about the nastiest 
> fiberglass repair job I could imagine.  Since you will have to paint the 
> outside/cockpit side anyway, go ahead and use good fiberglass hole repair 
> procedures (see West System Fiberglass Boat Repair and Maintenance) after 
> which just put something nice over the liner holes. There is no reasonable 
> way to reproduce the liner integrity.
> 
> I’ve done this job and it isn’t hard to do correctly. The only “hard” part is 
> filling, fairing and sanding in order to present a fair surface prior to 
> painting.
> 
> Regards,
> Dave Godwin
> 1982 C 37 - Ronin
> 1998 Mast & Mallet Thomas Point 34 - Katana
> Reedville, VA
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
>> On Apr 20, 2021, at 18:25, Doug Mountjoy via CnC-List 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Glass over the outside hole, and hang a picture over the inside. 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device
>> 
>> Doug Mountjoy
>> Port Orchard YC
>> Port Orchard,  WA
>> Rebecca Leah
>> 1988 LF39 
>> 
>> 
>>  Original message 
>> From: Randal Stafford via CnC-List 
>> Date: 4/20/21 14:39 (GMT-08:00)
>> To: Stus-List 
>> Cc: Randal Stafford 
>> Subject: Stus-List Glassing Over Instrument Holes Through Double Bulkheads
>> 
>> Listers-
>> 
>> Grenadine is getting an instrument system update this year and, as part of 
>> that, I’ll eventually want to glass over previous instrument holes in the 
>> aft cabin wall.
>> 
>> Last night I watched this video https://youtu.be/T4OHQDs8NKk 
>> <https://youtu.be/T4OHQDs8NKk>, which is good, but seems to assume only a 
>> single bulkhead - i.e. the “liner” inside the cabin is not there, or is cut 
>> away (such as in the video) providing access to the inside of the fiberglass 
>> cabin wall.
>> 
>> Does anyone here know how to neatly glass over the hole in both the exterior 
>> wall and the interior liner?  If there’s no good / easy / neat way to do it, 
>> I’ll follow the video above for the exterior wall, then just cover the hole 
>> in the liner with a screwed-on piece of teak.
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> Randy
>> S/V Grenadine
>> C 30 MK I #79
>> Ken Caryl, CO
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Stus-List Glassing Over Instrument Holes Through Double Bulkheads

[Randal Stafford via CnC-List]

Listers-

Grenadine is getting an instrument system update this year and, as part of 
that, I’ll eventually want to glass over previous instrument holes in the aft 
cabin wall.

Last night I watched this video https://youtu.be/T4OHQDs8NKk 
, which is good, but seems to assume only a 
single bulkhead - i.e. the “liner” inside the cabin is not there, or is cut 
away (such as in the video) providing access to the inside of the fiberglass 
cabin wall.

Does anyone here know how to neatly glass over the hole in both the exterior 
wall and the interior liner?  If there’s no good / easy / neat way to do it, 
I’ll follow the video above for the exterior wall, then just cover the hole in 
the liner with a screwed-on piece of teak.

Thanks,
Randy
S/V Grenadine
C 30 MK I #79
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Re: Stus-List Grenadine's Paint Job

[Randal Stafford via CnC-List]

I could do that. I use decals from BoatUS Graphics, and could order two boat 
name decals in the right font and size etc. to put there.

Cheers,
Randy

Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 1, 2018, at 3:20 AM, Rob Ball  wrote:
> 
> Randy,
> My daughter makes a point about chasing C owners to pitch them to make sure 
> they get the boat's name painted in that spot in the Cove Stripe.
> So, Look Out - she'll be after you . . . . . . . . . . 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Oct 31, 2018, at 9:49 PM, Randy Stafford  
> wrote:
> 
>> Hi All,
>> 
>> Since my lake closed early this year (mid-September) for expansion 
>> construction over the winter, I took advantage of the beautiful fall weather 
>> to do a major project: painting.  The good news is that next season, we’ll 
>> have a brand-spanking-new marina facility.
>> 
>> After exploring a number of options e.g. places where I could do it myself, 
>> estimates from several business, etc., I decided to hire the job out to an 
>> experienced old salt with a small local boatyard.  I could tell he had an 
>> appreciation of older boats and got a lot of satisfaction from improving 
>> them.
>> 
>> He filled and faired all the gouges in the hull, and the C smile.  
>> Power-sanded the bottom and applied two coats VC-17 blue.  Above the boot 
>> stripe he rolled and tipped four coats of Interlux red, sanding between each 
>> coat and thinning the later coats.
>> 
>> I’ve put pictures of the result at 
>> https://drive.google.com/open?id=1AgG7585KNUspS1W8TsyUGq8hFgeP997h.
>> 
>> With that and new canvas (red sail / tiller / winch covers), and refinished 
>> brightwork around the companionway, she’ll be the sharpest boat in the new 
>> marina.  And hopefully faster in the club’s fleet too, with that smooth new 
>> bottom.
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> Randy Stafford
>> S/V Grenadine
>> C 30-1 #7
>> Ken Caryl, CO
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Re: Stus-List Silicone residue...

[Randal Stafford via CnC-List]

Coleman liquid fuel.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 4, 2017, at 12:22 PM, David via CnC-List  wrote:
> 
> I know this has been answered before, but was is the solvent used to get rid 
> of silicone from fibreglass?
> 
> Thanks in advance.  
> 
> 
> 
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Stus-List A4 Cutting Out

[Randal Stafford via CnC-List]

Listers-

I’m having a problem with my Atomic 4, and hoped you might have some thoughts 
to share.

When I went out for a sail yesterday, she started right up, as always.  But 
then she cut out heading away from the marina.  Initially I suspected a fuel 
flow problem, as the petcock on the tank has become difficult to turn.  After 
ensuring the petcock was in the open position and the tank was full, she 
started right up again and ran smoothly for a good 10 minutes.  Then she cut 
out again, and wouldn’t start back up after some cranking.  I sailed for a 
couple hours anyway.  When I tried to start her to come back in, nothing 
happened when I pressed the starter button.  I assumed my batteries didn’t have 
enough amperage for the starter, after all the previous cranking, though my 
other electronics were running fine.  So I docked under sail power, pulled the 
batteries, and brought them home to charge.  They both tested at 12.7 volts and 
83% charge when I put them on my charger.  Now they’re both at 100% and 12.9 
volts.

So I now suspect a faulty ignition circuit, and possibly a faulty starter 
circuit.  Perhaps a loose connection or broken wire is having the same effect 
as pushing in the ignition switch.  I’ve yet to get into the lazarette and 
start tracing the wiring and testing with a multimeter, but that’s my next 
step.  I thought I’d write the list first to see if anyone has any quick 
hypotheses.

Thanks in Advance,
Randy Stafford
S/V Grenadine
C 301- #7
Ken Caryl, CO
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Stus-List Irma Wiped Out St. John, USVI

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This is hard news to hear for anyone who has loved St. John, USVI, as my family 
and I have: 
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/after-irma-a-once-lush-gem-in-the-us-virgin-islands-reduced-to-battered-wasteland/2017/09/12/b49532e0-9736-11e7-af6a-6555caaeb8dc_story.html
 
.

I think it took a while for news to get out, as power and communications were 
pretty much cut off.

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Stus-List Irma's Impact on Tortola

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This is a sad picture: 
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2017/09/07/11/43FCB37F0578-4861184-Boats_piled_up_as_the_eye_of_Hurricane_Irma_passed_over_Tortola_-a-4_1504778890915.jpg
 


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