Re: Stus-List Docking seamanship

[John Conklin via CnC-List]

Thanks Josh !! Great vidieos  and Really Helpful! But  Dang now I need to look 
up 2 more Knots and  get some Amisteel Line  to give it a go!
Much appreciated !

John Conklin
s/v Halcyon
From: Josh Muckley<mailto:muckl...@gmail.com>
Sent: Friday, August 10, 2018 6:48 PM
To: John Conklin<mailto:jconk...@hotmail.com>; C 
List<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
Subject: Re: Stus-List Docking seamanship

Video for you John!

https://youtu.be/vmth97mQi2g<https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fyoutu.be%2Fvmth97mQi2g=02%7C01%7C%7Cdd6b1d61b2744c028f5f08d5ff135f31%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C636695381014034910=SMwljq3Sj8rqSzOS6LFAv6QklGRNm4ICHjts7e9SIU8%3D=0>

https://youtu.be/DSAMR27tnFI<https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fyoutu.be%2FDSAMR27tnFI=02%7C01%7C%7Cdd6b1d61b2744c028f5f08d5ff135f31%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C636695381014034910=tgcrVxs73EclLbhTDcnc94M6k558x8GovXHHDwyc7XA%3D=0>


All the best,

Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C 37+
Solomons, MD



On Thu, Aug 9, 2018, 2:24 AM Josh Muckley 
mailto:muckl...@gmail.com>> wrote:
John,

This is the picture I could find on short notice.  If you want more let me 
know.  These nearly match what I have for loops all over the boat.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1afBcd1_IzkkCOJ2WKb0FJhnHdhcu6E5y/view?usp=drivesdk<https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fdrive.google.com%2Ffile%2Fd%2F1afBcd1_IzkkCOJ2WKb0FJhnHdhcu6E5y%2Fview%3Fusp%3Ddrivesdk=02%7C01%7C%7Cdd6b1d61b2744c028f5f08d5ff135f31%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C636695381014191156=MBLrc68wBnbWreTfOCPkjr8EMorhGuA6KRYlenPfWPE%3D=0>

I use a soft shackle to tie on a spring line at the dock.  It is a continuous 
length of 3 strand that has an alpine butterfly at the correct location.  The 
continuous loop stays on the boat.  The soft shackle is luggage tagged to the 
alpine butterfly so that it doesn't get lost when open.  Then the soft shackle 
is attached to the loop.

At foreign slips, I use the same loop on the boat to hold mooring lines which 
are considerably too large to fit through my toe rail.  I like to use a sheet 
bend to connect the loop to the line.  The advantage is that the loop only 
needs to be large enough for the line to pass through a single time.

https://www.animatedknots.com/sheetbend/index.php<https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.animatedknots.com%2Fsheetbend%2Findex.php=02%7C01%7C%7Cdd6b1d61b2744c028f5f08d5ff135f31%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C636695381014191156=m0rtjrzE%2FzBYhsfPMsMehx8fHrFBVqQ6tuBiSkvYcq4%3D=0>

Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C 37+
Solomons, MD

On Wed, Aug 8, 2018, 11:55 PM John Conklin 
mailto:jconk...@hotmail.com>> wrote:
Picture of those Josh ?
I just picked up some 1”flat webbing to make a few connection points to run 
thru toerail will tie or hook to those istead  of  directly to rail
John Conklin
S/V Halcyon
www.flirtingwithfire.net<https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.flirtingwithfire.net=02%7C01%7C%7Cdd6b1d61b2744c028f5f08d5ff135f31%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C636695381014191156=nnMeir5I4DJVK%2Bce65XGGtZVc2a1fjHYnnk4oQqqZXI%3D=0>


On Aug 8, 2018, at 6:58 PM, Josh Muckley via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
I have numerous "soft shackles" on my toe rail and mast collar.  They aren't 
actually soft shackles but rather small diameter continuous loops that I 
luggage tag onto the metal fixtures.  Each one costs about 18" of amsteel and 
less than 5 minutes to make.

Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C 37+
Solomons, MD




On Wed, Aug 8, 2018, 5:26 PM Dennis C. via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
Thanks for all the suggestions.

I was over at the boat yesterday and explored several.  The one that looks most 
promising was suggested by several listers, the continuous line from forward to 
the cockpit.  I attached a line to the toerail and brought it outside the 
lifelines back to the primary winch.  I configured it such that, when dropped 
on the pier's outermost cleat, it will stop the boat and keep the stern from 
swinging away from the pier.  Didn't actually try it but I am optimistic.

The challenge will be dropping it on the cleat if single handing.  It's a 
floating pier and the cleat is a couple feet below the toe rail.

BTW, I will attach the line to the toe rail with a soft shackle.  That will 
prevent damage to the toe rail anodizing as well as minimize damage to the dock 
line.

Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA

On Tue, Jul 31, 2018 at 10:58 AM, Dennis C. via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
OK, after 20 years  of ownership, I'm pretty good at driving Touche'.  Touche's 
"home" slip in Louisiana is in a fairly protected bayou, has both outboard and 
midships pilings on either side and

Re: Stus-List Docking seamanship

[Josh Muckley via CnC-List]

Video for you John!

https://youtu.be/vmth97mQi2g

https://youtu.be/DSAMR27tnFI


All the best,

Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C 37+
Solomons, MD



On Thu, Aug 9, 2018, 2:24 AM Josh Muckley  wrote:

> John,
>
> This is the picture I could find on short notice.  If you want more let me
> know.  These nearly match what I have for loops all over the boat.
>
>
> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1afBcd1_IzkkCOJ2WKb0FJhnHdhcu6E5y/view?usp=drivesdk
>
> I use a soft shackle to tie on a spring line at the dock.  It is a
> continuous length of 3 strand that has an alpine butterfly at the correct
> location.  The continuous loop stays on the boat.  The soft shackle is
> luggage tagged to the alpine butterfly so that it doesn't get lost when
> open.  Then the soft shackle is attached to the loop.
>
> At foreign slips, I use the same loop on the boat to hold mooring lines
> which are considerably too large to fit through my toe rail.  I like to use
> a sheet bend to connect the loop to the line.  The advantage is that the
> loop only needs to be large enough for the line to pass through a single
> time.
>
> https://www.animatedknots.com/sheetbend/index.php
>
> Josh Muckley
> S/V Sea Hawk
> 1989 C 37+
> Solomons, MD
>
> On Wed, Aug 8, 2018, 11:55 PM John Conklin  wrote:
>
>> Picture of those Josh ?
>> I just picked up some 1”flat webbing to make a few connection points to
>> run thru toerail will tie or hook to those istead  of  directly to rail
>>
>> John Conklin
>> S/V Halcyon
>> www.flirtingwithfire.net
>>
>>
>> On Aug 8, 2018, at 6:58 PM, Josh Muckley via CnC-List <
>> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>>
>> I have numerous "soft shackles" on my toe rail and mast collar.  They
>> aren't actually soft shackles but rather small diameter continuous loops
>> that I luggage tag onto the metal fixtures.  Each one costs about 18" of
>> amsteel and less than 5 minutes to make.
>>
>> Josh Muckley
>> S/V Sea Hawk
>> 1989 C 37+
>> Solomons, MD
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Aug 8, 2018, 5:26 PM Dennis C. via CnC-List <
>> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks for all the suggestions.
>>>
>>> I was over at the boat yesterday and explored several.  The one that
>>> looks most promising was suggested by several listers, the continuous line
>>> from forward to the cockpit.  I attached a line to the toerail and brought
>>> it outside the lifelines back to the primary winch.  I configured it such
>>> that, when dropped on the pier's outermost cleat, it will stop the boat and
>>> keep the stern from swinging away from the pier.  Didn't actually try it
>>> but I am optimistic.
>>>
>>> The challenge will be dropping it on the cleat if single handing.  It's
>>> a floating pier and the cleat is a couple feet below the toe rail.
>>>
>>> BTW, I will attach the line to the toe rail with a soft shackle.  That
>>> will prevent damage to the toe rail anodizing as well as minimize damage to
>>> the dock line.
>>>
>>> Dennis C.
>>> Touche' 35-1 #83
>>> Mandeville, LA
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jul 31, 2018 at 10:58 AM, Dennis C. via CnC-List <
>>> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>>>
 OK, after 20 years  of ownership, I'm pretty good at driving Touche'.
 Touche's "home" slip in Louisiana is in a fairly protected bayou, has both
 outboard and midships pilings on either side and a port side finger pier.
 I can competently back Touche' in using propwalk, etc. without touching any
 pilings.  Whoopee.

 However, the "temporary" slip I use in Pensacola is a whole different
 scenario.  First, it has a starboard side finger pier which extends to just
 short of full boat length.  Second, it is a double slip with NO pilings
 between Touche' and my neighbor, an IP 37.  Third, the prevailing wind is
 from the starboard side.

 In Pensacola, I dock Touche' bow in for privacy and scenic view
 issues.  Docking stern in isn't a desirable option because the bow
 will fall off towards my neighbor while docking and looking at a
 scenic bayou is preferable to looking at a working boatyard.

 So, docking bow in with a wind from starboard and prop walk which pulls
 the boat to port is a challenge.  The wind pushes the boat dramatically to
 port when docking.  The prop walk exacerbates the movement to port.  The
 wind and prop walk both working against the boat sucks.

 I've tried several techniques with limited to moderate success.  The
 best the Admiral and I have come up with is to approach at a slight upwind
 angle to the finger pier, have a spring/warp line attached a bit forward of
 midships, have crew leap off the boat and secure the spring to the
 outermost cleat on the finger pier to stop forward motion.  Once the line
 is secure, we warp the stern in with forward propulsion and left rudder and
 secure a stern line.  The stern still tries to swing to port midway through
 this process but we manage it.

 Now for my main issue.  Docking single handed.  

Re: Stus-List Docking seamanship

[John Conklin via CnC-List]

Picture of those Josh ?
I just picked up some 1”flat webbing to make a few connection points to run 
thru toerail will tie or hook to those istead  of  directly to rail

John Conklin
S/V Halcyon
www.flirtingwithfire.net


On Aug 8, 2018, at 6:58 PM, Josh Muckley via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:

I have numerous "soft shackles" on my toe rail and mast collar.  They aren't 
actually soft shackles but rather small diameter continuous loops that I 
luggage tag onto the metal fixtures.  Each one costs about 18" of amsteel and 
less than 5 minutes to make.

Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C 37+
Solomons, MD




On Wed, Aug 8, 2018, 5:26 PM Dennis C. via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
Thanks for all the suggestions.

I was over at the boat yesterday and explored several.  The one that looks most 
promising was suggested by several listers, the continuous line from forward to 
the cockpit.  I attached a line to the toerail and brought it outside the 
lifelines back to the primary winch.  I configured it such that, when dropped 
on the pier's outermost cleat, it will stop the boat and keep the stern from 
swinging away from the pier.  Didn't actually try it but I am optimistic.

The challenge will be dropping it on the cleat if single handing.  It's a 
floating pier and the cleat is a couple feet below the toe rail.

BTW, I will attach the line to the toe rail with a soft shackle.  That will 
prevent damage to the toe rail anodizing as well as minimize damage to the dock 
line.

Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA

On Tue, Jul 31, 2018 at 10:58 AM, Dennis C. via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
OK, after 20 years  of ownership, I'm pretty good at driving Touche'.  Touche's 
"home" slip in Louisiana is in a fairly protected bayou, has both outboard and 
midships pilings on either side and a port side finger pier.  I can competently 
back Touche' in using propwalk, etc. without touching any pilings.  Whoopee.

However, the "temporary" slip I use in Pensacola is a whole different scenario. 
 First, it has a starboard side finger pier which extends to just short of full 
boat length.  Second, it is a double slip with NO pilings between Touche' and 
my neighbor, an IP 37.  Third, the prevailing wind is from the starboard side.

In Pensacola, I dock Touche' bow in for privacy and scenic view issues.  
Docking stern in isn't a desirable option because the bow will fall off towards 
my neighbor while docking and looking at a scenic bayou is preferable to 
looking at a working boatyard.

So, docking bow in with a wind from starboard and prop walk which pulls the 
boat to port is a challenge.  The wind pushes the boat dramatically to port 
when docking.  The prop walk exacerbates the movement to port.  The wind and 
prop walk both working against the boat sucks.

I've tried several techniques with limited to moderate success.  The best the 
Admiral and I have come up with is to approach at a slight upwind angle to the 
finger pier, have a spring/warp line attached a bit forward of midships, have 
crew leap off the boat and secure the spring to the outermost cleat on the 
finger pier to stop forward motion.  Once the line is secure, we warp the stern 
in with forward propulsion and left rudder and secure a stern line.  The stern 
still tries to swing to port midway through this process but we manage it.

Now for my main issue.  Docking single handed.  I can't see myself approaching 
the pier, putting the boat in reverse, scrambling out of the steering station 
past the Bimini bows, securing the spring line, jumping back on the boat, 
warping the stern in and then securing the stern line by myself.

Any secret tricks I haven't explored?

Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA

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Re: Stus-List Docking seamanship

[John Conklin via CnC-List]

Yes the docking stick ! there is a solo sailor youtube channel search Patrick 
Laine ( bavaria 40)  hes great , his latest several recent videos of using this 
stick it and loving it !

John Conklin
S/V Halcyon
www.flirtingwithfire.net


On Aug 8, 2018, at 7:35 PM, John Christopher via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:

Hi Dennis,

Maybe this docking stick is of help. You can find it on Amazon.

https://youtu.be/0YSn3qR_FQw

https://youtu.be/NUTim_7PVJQ

/John

On Aug 8, 2018, at 5:25 PM, Dennis C. 
mailto:capt...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Thanks for all the suggestions.

I was over at the boat yesterday and explored several.  The one that looks most 
promising was suggested by several listers, the continuous line from forward to 
the cockpit.  I attached a line to the toerail and brought it outside the 
lifelines back to the primary winch.  I configured it such that, when dropped 
on the pier's outermost cleat, it will stop the boat and keep the stern from 
swinging away from the pier.  Didn't actually try it but I am optimistic.

The challenge will be dropping it on the cleat if single handing.  It's a 
floating pier and the cleat is a couple feet below the toe rail.

BTW, I will attach the line to the toe rail with a soft shackle.  That will 
prevent damage to the toe rail anodizing as well as minimize damage to the dock 
line.

Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA

On Tue, Jul 31, 2018 at 10:58 AM, Dennis C. via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
OK, after 20 years  of ownership, I'm pretty good at driving Touche'.  Touche's 
"home" slip in Louisiana is in a fairly protected bayou, has both outboard and 
midships pilings on either side and a port side finger pier.  I can competently 
back Touche' in using propwalk, etc. without touching any pilings.  Whoopee.

However, the "temporary" slip I use in Pensacola is a whole different scenario. 
 First, it has a starboard side finger pier which extends to just short of full 
boat length.  Second, it is a double slip with NO pilings between Touche' and 
my neighbor, an IP 37.  Third, the prevailing wind is from the starboard side.

In Pensacola, I dock Touche' bow in for privacy and scenic view issues.  
Docking stern in isn't a desirable option because the bow will fall off towards 
my neighbor while docking and looking at a scenic bayou is preferable to 
looking at a working boatyard.

So, docking bow in with a wind from starboard and prop walk which pulls the 
boat to port is a challenge.  The wind pushes the boat dramatically to port 
when docking.  The prop walk exacerbates the movement to port.  The wind and 
prop walk both working against the boat sucks.

I've tried several techniques with limited to moderate success.  The best the 
Admiral and I have come up with is to approach at a slight upwind angle to the 
finger pier, have a spring/warp line attached a bit forward of midships, have 
crew leap off the boat and secure the spring to the outermost cleat on the 
finger pier to stop forward motion.  Once the line is secure, we warp the stern 
in with forward propulsion and left rudder and secure a stern line.  The stern 
still tries to swing to port midway through this process but we manage it.

Now for my main issue.  Docking single handed.  I can't see myself approaching 
the pier, putting the boat in reverse, scrambling out of the steering station 
past the Bimini bows, securing the spring line, jumping back on the boat, 
warping the stern in and then securing the stern line by myself.

Any secret tricks I haven't explored?

Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA

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Re: Stus-List Docking seamanship

[John Christopher via CnC-List]

Hi Dennis,

Maybe this docking stick is of help. You can find it on Amazon.

https://youtu.be/0YSn3qR_FQw

https://youtu.be/NUTim_7PVJQ

/John

> On Aug 8, 2018, at 5:25 PM, Dennis C.  wrote:
> 
> Thanks for all the suggestions.  
> 
> I was over at the boat yesterday and explored several.  The one that looks 
> most promising was suggested by several listers, the continuous line from 
> forward to the cockpit.  I attached a line to the toerail and brought it 
> outside the lifelines back to the primary winch.  I configured it such that, 
> when dropped on the pier's outermost cleat, it will stop the boat and keep 
> the stern from swinging away from the pier.  Didn't actually try it but I am 
> optimistic.
> 
> The challenge will be dropping it on the cleat if single handing.  It's a 
> floating pier and the cleat is a couple feet below the toe rail.
> 
> BTW, I will attach the line to the toe rail with a soft shackle.  That will 
> prevent damage to the toe rail anodizing as well as minimize damage to the 
> dock line.
> 
> Dennis C.
> Touche' 35-1 #83
> Mandeville, LA
> 
>> On Tue, Jul 31, 2018 at 10:58 AM, Dennis C. via CnC-List 
>>  wrote:
>> OK, after 20 years  of ownership, I'm pretty good at driving Touche'.  
>> Touche's "home" slip in Louisiana is in a fairly protected bayou, has both 
>> outboard and midships pilings on either side and a port side finger pier.  I 
>> can competently back Touche' in using propwalk, etc. without touching any 
>> pilings.  Whoopee.
>> 
>> However, the "temporary" slip I use in Pensacola is a whole different 
>> scenario.  First, it has a starboard side finger pier which extends to just 
>> short of full boat length.  Second, it is a double slip with NO pilings 
>> between Touche' and my neighbor, an IP 37.  Third, the prevailing wind is 
>> from the starboard side.  
>> 
>> In Pensacola, I dock Touche' bow in for privacy and scenic view issues.  
>> Docking stern in isn't a desirable option because the bow will fall off 
>> towards my neighbor while docking and looking at a scenic bayou is 
>> preferable to looking at a working boatyard.
>> 
>> So, docking bow in with a wind from starboard and prop walk which pulls the 
>> boat to port is a challenge.  The wind pushes the boat dramatically to port 
>> when docking.  The prop walk exacerbates the movement to port.  The wind and 
>> prop walk both working against the boat sucks.
>> 
>> I've tried several techniques with limited to moderate success.  The best 
>> the Admiral and I have come up with is to approach at a slight upwind angle 
>> to the finger pier, have a spring/warp line attached a bit forward of 
>> midships, have crew leap off the boat and secure the spring to the outermost 
>> cleat on the finger pier to stop forward motion.  Once the line is secure, 
>> we warp the stern in with forward propulsion and left rudder and secure a 
>> stern line.  The stern still tries to swing to port midway through this 
>> process but we manage it.
>> 
>> Now for my main issue.  Docking single handed.  I can't see myself 
>> approaching the pier, putting the boat in reverse, scrambling out of the 
>> steering station past the Bimini bows, securing the spring line, jumping 
>> back on the boat, warping the stern in and then securing the stern line by 
>> myself.
>> 
>> Any secret tricks I haven't explored?
>> 
>> Dennis C.
>> Touche' 35-1 #83
>> Mandeville, LA
>> 
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Re: Stus-List Docking seamanship

[Josh Muckley via CnC-List]

I have numerous "soft shackles" on my toe rail and mast collar.  They
aren't actually soft shackles but rather small diameter continuous loops
that I luggage tag onto the metal fixtures.  Each one costs about 18" of
amsteel and less than 5 minutes to make.

Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C 37+
Solomons, MD




On Wed, Aug 8, 2018, 5:26 PM Dennis C. via CnC-List 
wrote:

> Thanks for all the suggestions.
>
> I was over at the boat yesterday and explored several.  The one that looks
> most promising was suggested by several listers, the continuous line from
> forward to the cockpit.  I attached a line to the toerail and brought it
> outside the lifelines back to the primary winch.  I configured it such
> that, when dropped on the pier's outermost cleat, it will stop the boat and
> keep the stern from swinging away from the pier.  Didn't actually try it
> but I am optimistic.
>
> The challenge will be dropping it on the cleat if single handing.  It's a
> floating pier and the cleat is a couple feet below the toe rail.
>
> BTW, I will attach the line to the toe rail with a soft shackle.  That
> will prevent damage to the toe rail anodizing as well as minimize damage to
> the dock line.
>
> Dennis C.
> Touche' 35-1 #83
> Mandeville, LA
>
> On Tue, Jul 31, 2018 at 10:58 AM, Dennis C. via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>> OK, after 20 years  of ownership, I'm pretty good at driving Touche'.
>> Touche's "home" slip in Louisiana is in a fairly protected bayou, has both
>> outboard and midships pilings on either side and a port side finger pier.
>> I can competently back Touche' in using propwalk, etc. without touching any
>> pilings.  Whoopee.
>>
>> However, the "temporary" slip I use in Pensacola is a whole different
>> scenario.  First, it has a starboard side finger pier which extends to just
>> short of full boat length.  Second, it is a double slip with NO pilings
>> between Touche' and my neighbor, an IP 37.  Third, the prevailing wind is
>> from the starboard side.
>>
>> In Pensacola, I dock Touche' bow in for privacy and scenic view issues.  
>> Docking
>> stern in isn't a desirable option because the bow will fall off towards my
>> neighbor while docking and looking at a scenic bayou is preferable to
>> looking at a working boatyard.
>>
>> So, docking bow in with a wind from starboard and prop walk which pulls
>> the boat to port is a challenge.  The wind pushes the boat dramatically to
>> port when docking.  The prop walk exacerbates the movement to port.  The
>> wind and prop walk both working against the boat sucks.
>>
>> I've tried several techniques with limited to moderate success.  The best
>> the Admiral and I have come up with is to approach at a slight upwind angle
>> to the finger pier, have a spring/warp line attached a bit forward of
>> midships, have crew leap off the boat and secure the spring to the
>> outermost cleat on the finger pier to stop forward motion.  Once the line
>> is secure, we warp the stern in with forward propulsion and left rudder and
>> secure a stern line.  The stern still tries to swing to port midway through
>> this process but we manage it.
>>
>> Now for my main issue.  Docking single handed.  I can't see myself
>> approaching the pier, putting the boat in reverse, scrambling out of the
>> steering station past the Bimini bows, securing the spring line, jumping
>> back on the boat, warping the stern in and then securing the stern line by
>> myself.
>>
>> Any secret tricks I haven't explored?
>>
>> Dennis C.
>> Touche' 35-1 #83
>> Mandeville, LA
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Re: Stus-List Docking seamanship

[Dennis C. via CnC-List]

Thanks for all the suggestions.

I was over at the boat yesterday and explored several.  The one that looks
most promising was suggested by several listers, the continuous line from
forward to the cockpit.  I attached a line to the toerail and brought it
outside the lifelines back to the primary winch.  I configured it such
that, when dropped on the pier's outermost cleat, it will stop the boat and
keep the stern from swinging away from the pier.  Didn't actually try it
but I am optimistic.

The challenge will be dropping it on the cleat if single handing.  It's a
floating pier and the cleat is a couple feet below the toe rail.

BTW, I will attach the line to the toe rail with a soft shackle.  That will
prevent damage to the toe rail anodizing as well as minimize damage to the
dock line.

Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA

On Tue, Jul 31, 2018 at 10:58 AM, Dennis C. via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> OK, after 20 years  of ownership, I'm pretty good at driving Touche'.
> Touche's "home" slip in Louisiana is in a fairly protected bayou, has both
> outboard and midships pilings on either side and a port side finger pier.
> I can competently back Touche' in using propwalk, etc. without touching any
> pilings.  Whoopee.
>
> However, the "temporary" slip I use in Pensacola is a whole different
> scenario.  First, it has a starboard side finger pier which extends to just
> short of full boat length.  Second, it is a double slip with NO pilings
> between Touche' and my neighbor, an IP 37.  Third, the prevailing wind is
> from the starboard side.
>
> In Pensacola, I dock Touche' bow in for privacy and scenic view issues.  
> Docking
> stern in isn't a desirable option because the bow will fall off towards my
> neighbor while docking and looking at a scenic bayou is preferable to
> looking at a working boatyard.
>
> So, docking bow in with a wind from starboard and prop walk which pulls
> the boat to port is a challenge.  The wind pushes the boat dramatically to
> port when docking.  The prop walk exacerbates the movement to port.  The
> wind and prop walk both working against the boat sucks.
>
> I've tried several techniques with limited to moderate success.  The best
> the Admiral and I have come up with is to approach at a slight upwind angle
> to the finger pier, have a spring/warp line attached a bit forward of
> midships, have crew leap off the boat and secure the spring to the
> outermost cleat on the finger pier to stop forward motion.  Once the line
> is secure, we warp the stern in with forward propulsion and left rudder and
> secure a stern line.  The stern still tries to swing to port midway through
> this process but we manage it.
>
> Now for my main issue.  Docking single handed.  I can't see myself
> approaching the pier, putting the boat in reverse, scrambling out of the
> steering station past the Bimini bows, securing the spring line, jumping
> back on the boat, warping the stern in and then securing the stern line by
> myself.
>
> Any secret tricks I haven't explored?
>
> Dennis C.
> Touche' 35-1 #83
> Mandeville, LA
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Re: Stus-List Docking Seamanship

[Glenn Gambel via CnC-List]

No one seems to mention that on some C's the stanchions protrude 
enough so that they will catch as you come in or out of a slip that has 
pilings or boards on the finger pier. Unless someone is on the boat to 
assist in keeping that from happening, one is likely to destroy a 
stanchion.  I have a couple of times over the many years I have owned my 
C 36.  It is a problem.  Just thought I would mention that.


Glenn Gambel
Wind N Spirits, C


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To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" 
Cc: "O'Keeffe Thomas" 
Sent: 8/5/2018 3:33:07 PM
Subject: Re: Stus-List Docking Seamanship

A variation on the spring line is to run a long line attached at the 
toe rail next to the sidestay, outside the lifeline, with bitter 
end/tail running back into the cockpit.  Tail remains loose in the 
cockpit for the approach.  Stay at wheel and throw the line (holding 
onto tail) beyond the dock cleat so as you pass a bight forms around 
the cleat.  You'll have a loop that runs from amidships, around dock 
cleat, back into cockpit.  Wrap tail around cockpit winch as you pass 
the dock cleat.  Can pull in or ease if needed to gently slow the boat. 
 With boat stopped leave boat in forward idle with wheel to port and it 
stays snug against the dock.  Acts just like a spring line but is 
easier to get it around the dock cleat.


Reverse the process to leave the dock.  With boat in forward idle and 
spring attached, remove other dock lines, get into boat.  Then with 
boat in nuetral pop the bight off the dock cleat and recover the line.


Tom O'Keeffe
Bridie Mae
29-2 1984
Little Neck Bay, NY

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Re: Stus-List Docking Seamanship

[O'Keeffe Thomas via CnC-List]

A variation on the spring line is to run a long line attached at the toe rail 
next to the sidestay, outside the lifeline, with bitter end/tail running back 
into the cockpit.  Tail remains loose in the cockpit for the approach.  Stay at 
wheel and throw the line (holding onto tail) beyond the dock cleat so as you 
pass a bight forms around the cleat.  You'll have a loop that runs from 
amidships, around dock cleat, back into cockpit.  Wrap tail around cockpit 
winch as you pass the dock cleat.  Can pull in or ease if needed to gently slow 
the boat.  With boat stopped leave boat in forward idle with wheel to port and 
it stays snug against the dock.  Acts just like a spring line but is easier to 
get it around the dock cleat.
Reverse the process to leave the dock.  With boat in forward idle and spring 
attached, remove other dock lines, get into boat.  Then with boat in nuetral 
pop the bight off the dock cleat and recover the line.
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Re: Stus-List Docking seamanship

[robert via CnC-List]

Marek,

Your are absolutely correctthe positioning of the cleat in the right 
place is criticalwhen I bought my boat, it came with the SS toe rail 
cleatsthe first year, I thought they were a bit aft of mid ship to 
be correct but I learned after being at the pier with on spring line on 
them and doing an oil change and running the engine after, in gear 
(1,200 to 1,400 RPM's) that the boat just lay up against the 
pier/fenders and seemed perfectly balanced.  In 13 seasons, I have not 
moved themwhy would I?


If anyone didn't like taking his boat in and out of a slip, single 
handed most times, it was me.  I was initially more concerned about 
docking alone than leaving.   A season and a half later, I am 
wiser.docking I have confidence in.leaving with the wrong wind, 
blowing me into the big aircraft carrier next to me (Nonsuch 36) and I 
only have approx.3 feet between our boats requires more thought and 
seamanship.


Know your limitations, and your boat's limitations.

Rob Abbott
AZURA
C 32 - 84
Halifax, N.S.

Watching videos, reading, etc is all good, however, you have to do it to 
get your confidence


On 2018-08-02 3:16 PM, Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List wrote:


If you have the mid-ship cleat in the right place, the forward 
pressure by the motor would make the boat to cling to the finger. It 
is a question of positioning the cleat in the right place. With the 
toe rail that is standard on most of the C, this is not an issue, 
because you can move the attachment point, almost as you wish (I don’t 
have the toe rail with holes in it on my boat, so this does not work 
so well).


Probably the best is to experiment. If the cleat is too far aft, you 
risk that the bow would swing out; if it is too far forward, you risk 
that the stern would not want to stay by the finger.


Marek

1994 C270 “Legato”

Ottawa, ON

*From:* CnC-List  *On Behalf Of *Jeremy 
Ralph via CnC-List

*Sent:* Thursday, August 2, 2018 11:48
*To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
*Cc:* Jeremy Ralph 
*Subject:* Stus-List Docking seamanship

I use the midship SS toe rail cleat without issue.

With just a spring line decelerating the boat, how do you stop the bow 
from swinging into the finger and the stern from swinging out?  This 
is the reason I have a stern/spring line combo for my setup.  
Tightening the stern line from the cockpit (or dock) once the spring 
is loaded stops that.


-- Forwarded message --
From: robert mailto:robertabb...@eastlink.ca>>
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Cc:
Bcc:
Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2018 09:36:58 -0300
Subject: Stus-List Docking seamanship

Dennis:

One guy at our club single hands his J120 regularly.he installed a 
deck cleat about mid shiphe approaches the finger pier at approx. 
1 to 2 knts, steps off the boat as the starboard gate meets the pier, 
picks up his spring line which has a 'snubber' and attaches to the mid 
ship cleatif he wind is strong to blow him off the pier, he leaves 
the engine in gear at idle speed and the boat just lays up against the 
pier.  Like you, he has little room for forward movement once the 
spring line is attached.    The big Nonsuch 36 next to me does the 
same thing.


Another member has a 'line catcher' at the end of his pier where he 
hangs his spring line when he leaves.   On approach, he either reaches 
out or uses a pole to grab the spring line and attaches to his mid 
ship deck cleatonce attached and the boat comes to a stop leaving 
the engine in gear at idle speed, he gets off the boat and attaches 
his lines.  He doesn't step off his boat to attach the spring line as 
there is too much freeboard and he is not comfortable making a jump to 
the pier from that height.it's a big boat, centre cockpit and no 
one is going to 'man handle' it the way we can with our C's


My method, earlier described, is similar however I use my main winch 
because I don't have a mid ship deck cleat.I have one of those SS 
toe rail cleats which I don't think was designed to stop the forward 
movement of the boat, at least I am not going to experiment to find out.


Rob Abbott
AZURA
C 32-84
Halifax, N.S.



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Re: Stus-List Docking seamanship

[James Bibb via CnC-List]

All of this docking discussion is distracting me from my office work!  I had 
the most wonderful sail last night for our club’s Wednesday “get out the boat” 
outing.  


> On Aug 2, 2018, at 10:59 AM, robert  wrote:
> 
> If your spring line is properly/strategically located mid-ship, in some 
> cases/boats it works best a bit aft from midship of the boat with enough 
> forward motion to keep the boat balanced when it slides in against the pier.  
> 
> James you are correct, if the spring line is where it works best (sometimes 
> trial and error at the dock with the engine in forward idles gear, first, you 
> can find the 'sweet sport where she just lays up against the pier/fenders), 
> leave the boat in forward idle and/or what I do is always approach at 2 knts 
> or less, turn the wheel to bring my starboard gate and stern to the pier and 
> step off.
> 
> As soon as I drop my 'snubber spring line' on the aft end pier cleat drawing 
> the boat into the slip because of its forward motion, I have my stern line 
> hanging over the top life line which I just take and drop over the top of the 
> snubber spring line (I'll remove that later) after I attach, depending on the 
> conditions, maybe my bow line next, maybe a spring line, depends on what is 
> happening to the boat.   As I said earlier, I take both my stern line and bow 
> lines with me, the bow line is I think 20 feet, and when I leave the dock I 
> bring it back to my SS toe rail cleat and tie it to it where it stays outside 
> the stantions on the toe rail.very handy when grab on the pier you 
> have a lot of control of your boat.
> 
> Rob Abbott
> AZURA 
> C  32 - 84
> Halifax, N.S.
> 
> On 2018-08-02 1:07 PM, James Bibb via CnC-List wrote:
>> Leave the engine in forward hard over. That will counter the spring line 
>> pulling the stern in. It’s similar to heaving to at sea.  
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On Aug 2, 2018, at 7:47 AM, Jeremy Ralph via CnC-List > > wrote:
>> 
>>> I use the midship SS toe rail cleat without issue.
>>> 
>>> With just a spring line decelerating the boat, how do you stop the bow from 
>>> swinging into the finger and the stern from swinging out?  This is the 
>>> reason I have a stern/spring line combo for my setup.  Tightening the stern 
>>> line from the cockpit (or dock) once the spring is loaded stops that. 
>>> 
>>> -- Forwarded message --
>>> From: robert mailto:robertabb...@eastlink.ca>>
>>> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
>>> Cc: 
>>> Bcc: 
>>> Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2018 09:36:58 -0300
>>> Subject: Stus-List Docking seamanship
>>> Dennis:
>>> 
>>> One guy at our club single hands his J120 regularly.he installed a deck 
>>> cleat about mid shiphe approaches the finger pier at approx. 1 to 2 
>>> knts, steps off the boat as the starboard gate meets the pier, picks up his 
>>> spring line which has a 'snubber' and attaches to the mid ship cleatif 
>>> he wind is strong to blow him off the pier, he leaves the engine in gear at 
>>> idle speed and the boat just lays up against the pier.  Like you, he has 
>>> little room for forward movement once the spring line is attached.The 
>>> big Nonsuch 36 next to me does the same thing.
>>> 
>>> Another member has a 'line catcher' at the end of his pier where he hangs 
>>> his spring line when he leaves.   On approach, he either reaches out or 
>>> uses a pole to grab the spring line and attaches to his mid ship deck 
>>> cleatonce attached and the boat comes to a stop leaving the engine in 
>>> gear at idle speed, he gets off the boat and attaches his lines.  He 
>>> doesn't step off his boat to attach the spring line as there is too much 
>>> freeboard and he is not comfortable making a jump to the pier from that 
>>> height.it's a big boat, centre cockpit and no one is going to 'man 
>>> handle' it the way we can with our C's
>>> 
>>> My method, earlier described, is similar however I use my main winch 
>>> because I don't have a mid ship deck cleat.I have one of those SS toe 
>>> rail cleats which I don't think was designed to stop the forward movement 
>>> of the boat, at least I am not going to experiment to find out.
>>> 
>>> Rob Abbott
>>> AZURA
>>> C 32-84
>>> Halifax, N.S. 
>>> 
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Re: Stus-List Docking seamanship

[Donald Sebastian via CnC-List]

I have used this method with success at my slip  where I have lots of current 
and I am also on the down stream side of my slip. For a mid ship line, I 
just use a carabiner to attach a line to the toe rail.   I just use a pole to 
loop the line on the back cleat and then just comfortably go back to the helm 
until the boat is nice a steady and then just step off and attach my lines.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-v-KCVmrwMA=531s 



Donald
still no name……
Louisville, KY 



> On Aug 2, 2018, at 11:47 AM, Jeremy Ralph via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> I use the midship SS toe rail cleat without issue.
> 
> With just a spring line decelerating the boat, how do you stop the bow from 
> swinging into the finger and the stern from swinging out?  This is the reason 
> I have a stern/spring line combo for my setup.  Tightening the stern line 
> from the cockpit (or dock) once the spring is loaded stops that. 
> 
> -- Forwarded message --
> From: robert mailto:robertabb...@eastlink.ca>>
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
> Cc: 
> Bcc: 
> Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2018 09:36:58 -0300
> Subject: Stus-List Docking seamanship
> Dennis:
> 
> One guy at our club single hands his J120 regularly.he installed a deck 
> cleat about mid shiphe approaches the finger pier at approx. 1 to 2 knts, 
> steps off the boat as the starboard gate meets the pier, picks up his spring 
> line which has a 'snubber' and attaches to the mid ship cleatif he wind 
> is strong to blow him off the pier, he leaves the engine in gear at idle 
> speed and the boat just lays up against the pier.  Like you, he has little 
> room for forward movement once the spring line is attached.The big 
> Nonsuch 36 next to me does the same thing.
> 
> Another member has a 'line catcher' at the end of his pier where he hangs his 
> spring line when he leaves.   On approach, he either reaches out or uses a 
> pole to grab the spring line and attaches to his mid ship deck cleatonce 
> attached and the boat comes to a stop leaving the engine in gear at idle 
> speed, he gets off the boat and attaches his lines.  He doesn't step off his 
> boat to attach the spring line as there is too much freeboard and he is not 
> comfortable making a jump to the pier from that height.it's a big boat, 
> centre cockpit and no one is going to 'man handle' it the way we can with our 
> C's
> 
> My method, earlier described, is similar however I use my main winch because 
> I don't have a mid ship deck cleat.I have one of those SS toe rail cleats 
> which I don't think was designed to stop the forward movement of the boat, at 
> least I am not going to experiment to find out.
> 
> Rob Abbott
> AZURA
> C 32-84
> Halifax, N.S. 
> 
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Re: Stus-List Docking seamanship

[Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List]

If you have the mid-ship cleat in the right place, the forward pressure by the 
motor would make the boat to cling to the finger. It is a question of 
positioning the cleat in the right place. With the toe rail that is standard on 
most of the C, this is not an issue, because you can move the attachment 
point, almost as you wish (I don’t have the toe rail with holes in it on my 
boat, so this does not work so well).

Probably the best is to experiment. If the cleat is too far aft, you risk that 
the bow would swing out; if it is too far forward, you risk that the stern 
would not want to stay by the finger.

Marek

1994 C270 “Legato”
Ottawa, ON

From: CnC-List  On Behalf Of Jeremy Ralph via 
CnC-List
Sent: Thursday, August 2, 2018 11:48
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Jeremy Ralph 
Subject: Stus-List Docking seamanship

I use the midship SS toe rail cleat without issue.

With just a spring line decelerating the boat, how do you stop the bow from 
swinging into the finger and the stern from swinging out?  This is the reason I 
have a stern/spring line combo for my setup.  Tightening the stern line from 
the cockpit (or dock) once the spring is loaded stops that.

-- Forwarded message --
From: robert mailto:robertabb...@eastlink.ca>>
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc:
Bcc:
Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2018 09:36:58 -0300
Subject: Stus-List Docking seamanship
Dennis:

One guy at our club single hands his J120 regularly.he installed a deck 
cleat about mid shiphe approaches the finger pier at approx. 1 to 2 knts, 
steps off the boat as the starboard gate meets the pier, picks up his spring 
line which has a 'snubber' and attaches to the mid ship cleatif he wind is 
strong to blow him off the pier, he leaves the engine in gear at idle speed and 
the boat just lays up against the pier.  Like you, he has little room for 
forward movement once the spring line is attached.The big Nonsuch 36 next 
to me does the same thing.

Another member has a 'line catcher' at the end of his pier where he hangs his 
spring line when he leaves.   On approach, he either reaches out or uses a pole 
to grab the spring line and attaches to his mid ship deck cleatonce 
attached and the boat comes to a stop leaving the engine in gear at idle speed, 
he gets off the boat and attaches his lines.  He doesn't step off his boat to 
attach the spring line as there is too much freeboard and he is not comfortable 
making a jump to the pier from that height.it's a big boat, centre cockpit 
and no one is going to 'man handle' it the way we can with our C's

My method, earlier described, is similar however I use my main winch because I 
don't have a mid ship deck cleat.I have one of those SS toe rail cleats 
which I don't think was designed to stop the forward movement of the boat, at 
least I am not going to experiment to find out.

Rob Abbott
AZURA
C 32-84
Halifax, N.S.

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Re: Stus-List Docking seamanship

[James Bibb via CnC-List]

Leave the engine in forward hard over. That will counter the spring line 
pulling the stern in. It’s similar to heaving to at sea.  

Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 2, 2018, at 7:47 AM, Jeremy Ralph via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> I use the midship SS toe rail cleat without issue.
> 
> With just a spring line decelerating the boat, how do you stop the bow from 
> swinging into the finger and the stern from swinging out?  This is the reason 
> I have a stern/spring line combo for my setup.  Tightening the stern line 
> from the cockpit (or dock) once the spring is loaded stops that. 
> 
> -- Forwarded message --
> From: robert 
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Cc: 
> Bcc: 
> Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2018 09:36:58 -0300
> Subject: Stus-List Docking seamanship
> Dennis:
> 
> One guy at our club single hands his J120 regularly.he installed a deck 
> cleat about mid shiphe approaches the finger pier at approx. 1 to 2 knts, 
> steps off the boat as the starboard gate meets the pier, picks up his spring 
> line which has a 'snubber' and attaches to the mid ship cleatif he wind 
> is strong to blow him off the pier, he leaves the engine in gear at idle 
> speed and the boat just lays up against the pier.  Like you, he has little 
> room for forward movement once the spring line is attached.The big 
> Nonsuch 36 next to me does the same thing.
> 
> Another member has a 'line catcher' at the end of his pier where he hangs his 
> spring line when he leaves.   On approach, he either reaches out or uses a 
> pole to grab the spring line and attaches to his mid ship deck cleatonce 
> attached and the boat comes to a stop leaving the engine in gear at idle 
> speed, he gets off the boat and attaches his lines.  He doesn't step off his 
> boat to attach the spring line as there is too much freeboard and he is not 
> comfortable making a jump to the pier from that height.it's a big boat, 
> centre cockpit and no one is going to 'man handle' it the way we can with our 
> C's
> 
> My method, earlier described, is similar however I use my main winch because 
> I don't have a mid ship deck cleat.I have one of those SS toe rail cleats 
> which I don't think was designed to stop the forward movement of the boat, at 
> least I am not going to experiment to find out.
> 
> Rob Abbott
> AZURA
> C 32-84
> Halifax, N.S. 
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Re: Stus-List Docking seamanship

[William Hall via CnC-List]

When I was in a similar situation due to current, I found one of these very
helpful

https://search.defender.com/?expression=Line+catcher

It let me quickly get a spring line on without messing with boat hooks or
leaving the boat.

Bill


On Wed, Aug 1, 2018 at 1:05 PM James Hesketh via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Been reading these responses and will add my experience to the discussion.
>
> I have a C 26, which is lighter than most of the boats mentioned in this
> thread
> so it doesn't carry as far, which makes my situation a bit easier. My slip
> faces north at a marina in Miami, FL and we usually have an ENE wind.
> Because it stops easily I will usually sail it back into the slip without
> using the engine, often single-handed.
>
> To make the line handling less busy I've tied a tether (out of 3/16 line)
> connecting the fore, aft, and two spring lines together at the bitter ends
> -- one set for each side The slip has a short finger pier to port and two
> pilings to starboard.
>
> When casting off I simply drop the lines into the water as I back out.
> Then when I return, I can grab the closest line on whichever side seems
> best with a boat hook and have all lines in hand at once. This allows me to
> slow the boat if needed, or pull it foreword if necessary, and keep it
> centered against the wind using either an actual dockline or the tether
> line as needed. Then after tying the first I just walk around the boat and
> cleat them using markers on the lines to get the length right.
>
> It's a bit unconventional, but in three years of doing this I've only
> embarrassed myself a couple times.
>
> Jim Hesketh
> C 26 -- Whisper
> Coconut Grove, FL
>
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Re: Stus-List Docking seamanship

[James Hesketh via CnC-List]

Been reading these responses and will add my experience to the discussion.

I have a C 26, which is lighter than most of the boats mentioned in this
thread
so it doesn't carry as far, which makes my situation a bit easier. My slip
faces north at a marina in Miami, FL and we usually have an ENE wind.
Because it stops easily I will usually sail it back into the slip without
using the engine, often single-handed.

To make the line handling less busy I've tied a tether (out of 3/16 line)
connecting the fore, aft, and two spring lines together at the bitter ends
-- one set for each side The slip has a short finger pier to port and two
pilings to starboard.

When casting off I simply drop the lines into the water as I back out. Then
when I return, I can grab the closest line on whichever side seems best
with a boat hook and have all lines in hand at once. This allows me to slow
the boat if needed, or pull it foreword if necessary, and keep it centered
against the wind using either an actual dockline or the tether line as
needed. Then after tying the first I just walk around the boat and cleat
them using markers on the lines to get the length right.

It's a bit unconventional, but in three years of doing this I've only
embarrassed myself a couple times.

Jim Hesketh
C 26 -- Whisper
Coconut Grove, FL
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Re: Stus-List Docking seamanship

[Dreuge via CnC-List]

In docking, I aways follow the wise advise I received on this list: “Never 
approach the dock faster than you are willing to hit it.”



-
Paul E.
1981 C Landfall 38 
S/V Johanna Rose
Fort Walton Beach, FL

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[Dennis C. via CnC-List]

We are Farmer's Insurance.  We covered that!  :)

Dennis C.

On Wed, Aug 1, 2018 at 10:29 AM, Randy Stafford via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> The Orcas in Vancouver need to work on their seamanship too: https://www.
> washingtonpost.com/video/national/health-science/killer-whale-crashes-two-
> boats-together-in-vancouver-island/2018/07/31/012e8caa-
> 94ac-11e8-818b-e9b7348cd87d_video.html?utm_term=.79286bf85b03
>
> Cheers,
> Randy
>
>
> On Aug 1, 2018, at 9:21 AM, John Conklin via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> All this sounds great  but… I have no cleats on my slip ☹  I am newbie
> but will be going out alone often. I dock bow in, port side to short Finger
> pier which when I am all the way in boarding Gate just barley passes
> midship piling! Same reason as stated earlier (Privacy/View) for the bow in
> but may try to back in as I don’t generally hang around to enjoy view.
> Wind 90% of  SW over Port side, Luckily I have 2 pilings rear (out in open
> water) and Midships which I have padded   that I can Bounce off before
> taking out the IP38 next door.  So I just noticed last weekend  my neighbor
> rigged a very cool  Bow Catch system for when he pulls bow in like me .
> It’s a   V formed looks like 3/8 or 1/2 “ at most so has some give,  from
> the 2  Midship pilings and held up mid slip from main dock  which when he
> pulls in sends him right into the pocket.  Hooks up spring  and he’s done,
>  leave in fwd gear then off to adjust everything else  Very slick !
> Has anyone else seen or used this  set up ?
>
>
> --
> *From:* CnC-List  on behalf of robert via
> CnC-List 
> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 1, 2018 10:14:21 AM
> *To:* Dennis C. via CnC-List
> *Cc:* robert
> *Subject:* Stus-List Docking seamanship
>
> Dennis:
>  I spent 20 years on a mooring so I could come and go single handed
> without any stress associated with docking and/or leaving a slip.  Last
> year, a slip at my club became available similar to yours in
> Pensacolabow in, starboard side finger pier with a Nonsuch 36 as my
> port neighbor...at most, 3' separating the boats when both docked.
> However, my finger is 35' and AZURA is 32' so I have a bit of leeway when
> docking. With some hesitation, I decided to give it a try.
>
> At first, I found docking harder than leaving especially single handed.
> Now I find leaving with a starboard wind more challenging.
>
> For docking, I rigged a line with a 3/8" snubber which I carry in a locker
> and take out just before docking and place the inboard loop over the
> starboard main winch and tuck under the lifeline(s) and bring outside and
> hang the end loop on the aft gate stantionopen the gate, of course, to
> hang the out end loop.
>
> I approach the finger pier at approx. 1 to 1.5 knots.I find it best
> when I have headway.I have steerage.hardly ever use reverse unless
> the approach to too fastwhen the starboard gate reaches the pier I step
> off the boat.take the end loop and drop it over the first or outermost
> cleat.when the line comes tight and cushioned by the snubber, the boat
> glides to a stop without the bow touching the main pier.
>
> Now, I am off the boat which is in neutral.two spring lines stay on
> the dock and attach to my SS toe rail cleat with carabinersusually the
> last lines to get attached.
>
> I take both my bow line and stern line with me.stern line never gets
> adjustedwhen sailing it is just folded on the deck between the toe rail
> and bimini frame...it is set for the correct length and I simply drop the
> outer loop over the outermost cleat, the same one with the snubber which I
> will remove and take aboard and store.
>
> I also take my bow line with me.when sailing, it stretches back from
> the bow outside the stantions/toe rail and I tie it to the mid-ship SS toe
> rail cleat.   The bow line becomes very useful this way as when docking, as
> I do, as soon as I drop the snubber line I walk forward and grab the bow
> line..I now have control of the boat..I can reach down and attach a
> spring line.untie my bow line and tie  the inner most cleat..the
> excess bow line I just bring back to the first stantion when docked.
>
> When leaving the dock, the bow line is the last to get released and I
> bring it back to the mid ship SS toe rail cleat and tie it off there.  I
> can control the boat with it.
>
> I also found prop walk a nuisance, especially leaving the pier as the boat
> has no momentum to gain steerage.To address that, I have a short piece
> of rope, doubled up with a knot in the end looped in the toe rail just
> forward of the starboard gateI pull on it (parallel to the pier) to
> get the boat moving backwards.jump aboard and hit reversethat
> little bit of momentum going backwards allows the rudder to get some water
> flowing over it and you have the start of steerage.
>
> Over the past 2 seasons, there have 

Re: Stus-List Docking seamanship

[Randy Stafford via CnC-List]

The Orcas in Vancouver need to work on their seamanship too: 
https://www.washingtonpost.com/video/national/health-science/killer-whale-crashes-two-boats-together-in-vancouver-island/2018/07/31/012e8caa-94ac-11e8-818b-e9b7348cd87d_video.html?utm_term=.79286bf85b03
 


Cheers,
Randy

> On Aug 1, 2018, at 9:21 AM, John Conklin via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> All this sounds great  but… I have no cleats on my slip ☹  I am newbie but 
> will be going out alone often. I dock bow in, port side to short Finger pier 
> which when I am all the way in boarding Gate just barley passes midship 
> piling! Same reason as stated earlier (Privacy/View) for the bow in but may 
> try to back in as I don’t generally hang around to enjoy view.  Wind 90% of  
> SW over Port side, Luckily I have 2 pilings rear (out in open water) and 
> Midships which I have padded   that I can Bounce off before taking out the 
> IP38 next door.  So I just noticed last weekend  my neighbor rigged a very 
> cool  Bow Catch system for when he pulls bow in like me . It’s a   V formed 
> looks like 3/8 or 1/2 “ at most so has some give,  from the 2  Midship 
> pilings and held up mid slip from main dock  which when he pulls in sends him 
> right into the pocket.  Hooks up spring  and he’s done,  leave in fwd gear 
> then off to adjust everything else  Very slick !
> Has anyone else seen or used this  set up ?
>  
>  
> From: CnC-List  > on behalf of robert via CnC-List 
> mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
> Sent: Wednesday, August 1, 2018 10:14:21 AM
> To: Dennis C. via CnC-List
> Cc: robert
> Subject: Stus-List Docking seamanship
>  
> Dennis:
>  I spent 20 years on a mooring so I could come and go single handed without 
> any stress associated with docking and/or leaving a slip.  Last year, a slip 
> at my club became available similar to yours in Pensacolabow in, 
> starboard side finger pier with a Nonsuch 36 as my port neighbor...at most, 
> 3' separating the boats when both docked.  However, my finger is 35' and 
> AZURA is 32' so I have a bit of leeway when docking. With some hesitation, I 
> decided to give it a try.
> 
> At first, I found docking harder than leaving especially single handed.  Now 
> I find leaving with a starboard wind more challenging.
> 
> For docking, I rigged a line with a 3/8" snubber which I carry in a locker 
> and take out just before docking and place the inboard loop over the 
> starboard main winch and tuck under the lifeline(s) and bring outside and 
> hang the end loop on the aft gate stantionopen the gate, of course, to 
> hang the out end loop.
> 
> I approach the finger pier at approx. 1 to 1.5 knots.I find it best when 
> I have headway.I have steerage.hardly ever use reverse unless the 
> approach to too fastwhen the starboard gate reaches the pier I step off 
> the boat.take the end loop and drop it over the first or outermost 
> cleat.when the line comes tight and cushioned by the snubber, the boat 
> glides to a stop without the bow touching the main pier.
> 
> Now, I am off the boat which is in neutral.two spring lines stay on the 
> dock and attach to my SS toe rail cleat with carabinersusually the last 
> lines to get attached.
> 
> I take both my bow line and stern line with me.stern line never gets 
> adjustedwhen sailing it is just folded on the deck between the toe rail 
> and bimini frame...it is set for the correct length and I simply drop the 
> outer loop over the outermost cleat, the same one with the snubber which I 
> will remove and take aboard and store.
> 
> I also take my bow line with me.when sailing, it stretches back from the 
> bow outside the stantions/toe rail and I tie it to the mid-ship SS toe rail 
> cleat.   The bow line becomes very useful this way as when docking, as I do, 
> as soon as I drop the snubber line I walk forward and grab the bow 
> line..I now have control of the boat..I can reach down and attach a 
> spring line.untie my bow line and tie  the inner most cleat..the 
> excess bow line I just bring back to the first stantion when docked.
> 
> When leaving the dock, the bow line is the last to get released and I bring 
> it back to the mid ship SS toe rail cleat and tie it off there.  I can 
> control the boat with it.
> 
> I also found prop walk a nuisance, especially leaving the pier as the boat 
> has no momentum to gain steerage.To address that, I have a short piece of 
> rope, doubled up with a knot in the end looped in the toe rail just forward 
> of the starboard gateI pull on it (parallel to the pier) to get the 
> boat moving backwards.jump aboard and hit reversethat little bit of 
> momentum going backwards allows the rudder to get 

Re: Stus-List Docking seamanship

[John Conklin via CnC-List]

All this sounds great  but… I have no cleats on my slip ☹  I am newbie but will 
be going out alone often. I dock bow in, port side to short Finger pier which 
when I am all the way in boarding Gate just barley passes midship piling! Same 
reason as stated earlier (Privacy/View) for the bow in but may try to back in 
as I don’t generally hang around to enjoy view.  Wind 90% of  SW over Port 
side, Luckily I have 2 pilings rear (out in open water) and Midships which I 
have padded   that I can Bounce off before taking out the IP38 next door.  So 
I just noticed last weekend  my neighbor rigged a very cool  Bow Catch system 
for when he pulls bow in like me . It’s a   V formed looks like 3/8 or 1/2 “ at 
most so has some give,  from the 2  Midship pilings and held up mid slip from 
main dock  which when he pulls in sends him right into the pocket.  Hooks up 
spring  and he’s done,  leave in fwd gear then off to adjust everything else  
Very slick !
Has anyone else seen or used this  set up ?



From: CnC-List  on behalf of robert via CnC-List 

Sent: Wednesday, August 1, 2018 10:14:21 AM
To: Dennis C. via CnC-List
Cc: robert
Subject: Stus-List Docking seamanship

Dennis:
 I spent 20 years on a mooring so I could come and go single handed without any 
stress associated with docking and/or leaving a slip.  Last year, a slip at my 
club became available similar to yours in Pensacolabow in, starboard side 
finger pier with a Nonsuch 36 as my port neighbor...at most, 3' separating the 
boats when both docked.  However, my finger is 35' and AZURA is 32' so I have a 
bit of leeway when docking. With some hesitation, I decided to give it a try.

At first, I found docking harder than leaving especially single handed.  Now I 
find leaving with a starboard wind more challenging.

For docking, I rigged a line with a 3/8" snubber which I carry in a locker and 
take out just before docking and place the inboard loop over the starboard main 
winch and tuck under the lifeline(s) and bring outside and hang the end loop on 
the aft gate stantionopen the gate, of course, to hang the out end loop.

I approach the finger pier at approx. 1 to 1.5 knots.I find it best when I 
have headway.I have steerage.hardly ever use reverse unless the 
approach to too fastwhen the starboard gate reaches the pier I step off the 
boat.take the end loop and drop it over the first or outermost 
cleat.when the line comes tight and cushioned by the snubber, the boat 
glides to a stop without the bow touching the main pier.

Now, I am off the boat which is in neutral.two spring lines stay on the 
dock and attach to my SS toe rail cleat with carabinersusually the last 
lines to get attached.

I take both my bow line and stern line with me.stern line never gets 
adjustedwhen sailing it is just folded on the deck between the toe rail and 
bimini frame...it is set for the correct length and I simply drop the outer 
loop over the outermost cleat, the same one with the snubber which I will 
remove and take aboard and store.

I also take my bow line with me.when sailing, it stretches back from the 
bow outside the stantions/toe rail and I tie it to the mid-ship SS toe rail 
cleat.   The bow line becomes very useful this way as when docking, as I do, as 
soon as I drop the snubber line I walk forward and grab the bow line..I now 
have control of the boat..I can reach down and attach a spring 
line.untie my bow line and tie  the inner most cleat..the excess bow 
line I just bring back to the first stantion when docked.

When leaving the dock, the bow line is the last to get released and I bring it 
back to the mid ship SS toe rail cleat and tie it off there.  I can control the 
boat with it.

I also found prop walk a nuisance, especially leaving the pier as the boat has 
no momentum to gain steerage.To address that, I have a short piece of rope, 
doubled up with a knot in the end looped in the toe rail just forward of the 
starboard gateI pull on it (parallel to the pier) to get the boat 
moving backwards.jump aboard and hit reversethat little bit of momentum 
going backwards allows the rudder to get some water flowing over it and you 
have the start of steerage.

Over the past 2 seasons, there have been a few days when the wind was just too 
much for me to attempt leaving single handed.if there was a person on the 
dock helping, no problem.

A club mate has a big centre cockpit boat that he finds difficult leaving the 
dock when the wind is blowing him off the pierhe usually has his wife with 
him but in no way could she/he man-handle this vessel..so here is how they 
do it he rigged a line on the pier from the two outter most cleats.put 
a snatch block on the pier line and attached another line to the snatch 
block...when leaving the pier, his wife holds the line attached to the 
snatch block which rolls along the 

Re: Stus-List Docking seamanship

[LKL Architects via CnC-List]

I too cant add much to the conversation but agree with Marek.  A lobster boat 
captain gave me the same tip and it sure seems to work.  Also, being a single 
handler,  I found that when going into a slip,  if someone can catch and hold 
my bow, sure made things easier especially with a cross wind.

Lloyd Lippe
Finesse
LF 39
  - Original Message - 
  From: Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List 
  To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
  Cc: Marek Dziedzic 
  Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2018 10:00 AM
  Subject: Re: Stus-List Docking seamanship


  The only ting I could add is that when you are leaving and have no headway 
backwards (an no steerage, but a lot of prop walk), I find that what helps is 
running the prop in reverse in short bursts (quite a bit of throttle) and then 
switching to neutral. This way, you start moving, but the prop is not making 
your stern to move to port (there is much less prop walk this way).

  Marek
  1994 C270 “Legato”
  Ottawa, ON

  From: robert via CnC-List 
  Sent: Wednesday, August 1, 2018 10:15
  To: Dennis C. via CnC-List 
  Cc: robert 
  Subject: Stus-List Docking seamanship


  I also found prop walk a nuisance, especially leaving the pier as the boat 
has no momentum to gain steerage.To address that, I have a short piece of 
rope, doubled up with a knot in the end looped in the toe rail just forward of 
the starboard gateI pull on it (parallel to the pier) to get the boat 
moving backwards.jump aboard and hit reversethat little bit of momentum 
going backwards allows the rudder to get some water flowing over it and you 
have the start of steerage.


  Rob Abbott
  AZURA
  C 32- 84
  Halifax, N.S.


  On 2018-07-31 12:58 PM, Dennis C. via CnC-List wrote:

OK, after 20 years  of ownership, I'm pretty good at driving Touche'.  
Touche's "home" slip in Louisiana is in a fairly protected bayou, has both 
outboard and midships pilings on either side and a port side finger pier.  I 
can competently back Touche' in using propwalk, etc. without touching any 
pilings.  Whoopee. 

However, the "temporary" slip I use in Pensacola is a whole different 
scenario.  First, it has a starboard side finger pier which extends to just 
short of full boat length.  Second, it is a double slip with NO pilings between 
Touche' and my neighbor, an IP 37.  Third, the prevailing wind is from the 
starboard side.  

In Pensacola, I dock Touche' bow in for privacy and scenic view issues.  
Docking stern in isn't a desirable option because the bow will fall off towards 
my neighbor while docking and looking at a scenic bayou is preferable to 
looking at a working boatyard.

So, docking bow in with a wind from starboard and prop walk which pulls the 
boat to port is a challenge.  The wind pushes the boat dramatically to port 
when docking.  The prop walk exacerbates the movement to port.  The wind and 
prop walk both working against the boat sucks.

I've tried several techniques with limited to moderate success.  The best 
the Admiral and I have come up with is to approach at a slight upwind angle to 
the finger pier, have a spring/warp line attached a bit forward of midships, 
have crew leap off the boat and secure the spring to the outermost cleat on the 
finger pier to stop forward motion.  Once the line is secure, we warp the stern 
in with forward propulsion and left rudder and secure a stern line.  The stern 
still tries to swing to port midway through this process but we manage it.

Now for my main issue.  Docking single handed.  I can't see myself 
approaching the pier, putting the boat in reverse, scrambling out of the 
steering station past the Bimini bows, securing the spring line, jumping back 
on the boat, warping the stern in and then securing the stern line by myself.

Any secret tricks I haven't explored?

Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA

 

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[Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List]

The only ting I could add is that when you are leaving and have no headway 
backwards (an no steerage, but a lot of prop walk), I find that what helps is 
running the prop in reverse in short bursts (quite a bit of throttle) and then 
switching to neutral. This way, you start moving, but the prop is not making 
your stern to move to port (there is much less prop walk this way).

Marek
1994 C270 “Legato”
Ottawa, ON

From: robert via CnC-List
Sent: Wednesday, August 1, 2018 10:15
To: Dennis C. via CnC-List
Cc: robert
Subject: Stus-List Docking seamanship


I also found prop walk a nuisance, especially leaving the pier as the boat has 
no momentum to gain steerage.To address that, I have a short piece of rope, 
doubled up with a knot in the end looped in the toe rail just forward of the 
starboard gateI pull on it (parallel to the pier) to get the boat 
moving backwards.jump aboard and hit reversethat little bit of momentum 
going backwards allows the rudder to get some water flowing over it and you 
have the start of steerage.


Rob Abbott
AZURA
C 32- 84
Halifax, N.S.

On 2018-07-31 12:58 PM, Dennis C. via CnC-List wrote:
OK, after 20 years  of ownership, I'm pretty good at driving Touche'.  Touche's 
"home" slip in Louisiana is in a fairly protected bayou, has both outboard and 
midships pilings on either side and a port side finger pier.  I can competently 
back Touche' in using propwalk, etc. without touching any pilings.  Whoopee.

However, the "temporary" slip I use in Pensacola is a whole different scenario. 
 First, it has a starboard side finger pier which extends to just short of full 
boat length.  Second, it is a double slip with NO pilings between Touche' and 
my neighbor, an IP 37.  Third, the prevailing wind is from the starboard side.

In Pensacola, I dock Touche' bow in for privacy and scenic view issues.  
Docking stern in isn't a desirable option because the bow will fall off towards 
my neighbor while docking and looking at a scenic bayou is preferable to 
looking at a working boatyard.

So, docking bow in with a wind from starboard and prop walk which pulls the 
boat to port is a challenge.  The wind pushes the boat dramatically to port 
when docking.  The prop walk exacerbates the movement to port.  The wind and 
prop walk both working against the boat sucks.

I've tried several techniques with limited to moderate success.  The best the 
Admiral and I have come up with is to approach at a slight upwind angle to the 
finger pier, have a spring/warp line attached a bit forward of midships, have 
crew leap off the boat and secure the spring to the outermost cleat on the 
finger pier to stop forward motion.  Once the line is secure, we warp the stern 
in with forward propulsion and left rudder and secure a stern line.  The stern 
still tries to swing to port midway through this process but we manage it.

Now for my main issue.  Docking single handed.  I can't see myself approaching 
the pier, putting the boat in reverse, scrambling out of the steering station 
past the Bimini bows, securing the spring line, jumping back on the boat, 
warping the stern in and then securing the stern line by myself.

Any secret tricks I haven't explored?

Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA



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[Rod Randow via CnC-List]

Learned this at a talk at the Annapolis boat show. I have occasionally and
seen others use this docking method – my slip has pilings and very short
finger pier.

A line at least 2 boat lengths and a long finger pier. Attached to the
mid-ship cleat, the line is led outside the lifelines to the crew/wife
standing on deck who forms a long U shaped loop. The remainder of the line
is then fed outside the lifelines to the cockpit area and brought in under
the lifelines to a winch/cleat. As the boat approaches the finger pier the
crew with a leg of the U in each hand and the arms spread wide, DROPS the
line on the DOCK so that the U loop surround the outer-most finger pier
cleat. The helmperson adjusts the line and rudder to stop the boat at the
appropriate position. The crew can drop the line/loop standing anywhere –
from the bow to the cockpit wherever is the closest approach to the finger
pier cleat. The engine is kept in slow forward. Now with the boat held
along side the finger pier and stopped in the proper position, the
crew/helmperson STEPS off the boat and attaches all the lines. The engine
is then turned off.

Depending on stanchion positions, a toe rail snatch block might be needed
before being fed to winch. Again depending on deck equipment, another
configuration is to place a toe rail block just aft the mid-ship cleat
(loop between midship cleat and block) and then back to cockpit. This
mid-ship loop method can also be used to  “parallel park” on the leeward
side of a long dock (sometimes winch cranking is required).

For single-handing the helmperson must puzzle out how and where to
drop/throw the loop over the cleat. Practice throwing the loop – arms
parallel at start but spread wide at release. Not easy with lifelines.

Rod Randow
C 33-1

On Tue, Jul 31, 2018, 11:59 AM Dennis C. via CnC-List 
wrote:

> OK, after 20 years  of ownership, I'm pretty good at driving Touche'.
> Touche's "home" slip in Louisiana is in a fairly protected bayou, has both
> outboard and midships pilings on either side and a port side finger pier.
> I can competently back Touche' in using propwalk, etc. without touching any
> pilings.  Whoopee.
>
> However, the "temporary" slip I use in Pensacola is a whole different
> scenario.  First, it has a starboard side finger pier which extends to just
> short of full boat length.  Second, it is a double slip with NO pilings
> between Touche' and my neighbor, an IP 37.  Third, the prevailing wind is
> from the starboard side.
>
> In Pensacola, I dock Touche' bow in for privacy and scenic view issues.  
> Docking
> stern in isn't a desirable option because the bow will fall off towards my
> neighbor while docking and looking at a scenic bayou is preferable to
> looking at a working boatyard.
>
> So, docking bow in with a wind from starboard and prop walk which pulls
> the boat to port is a challenge.  The wind pushes the boat dramatically to
> port when docking.  The prop walk exacerbates the movement to port.  The
> wind and prop walk both working against the boat sucks.
>
> I've tried several techniques with limited to moderate success.  The best
> the Admiral and I have come up with is to approach at a slight upwind angle
> to the finger pier, have a spring/warp line attached a bit forward of
> midships, have crew leap off the boat and secure the spring to the
> outermost cleat on the finger pier to stop forward motion.  Once the line
> is secure, we warp the stern in with forward propulsion and left rudder and
> secure a stern line.  The stern still tries to swing to port midway through
> this process but we manage it.
>
> Now for my main issue.  Docking single handed.  I can't see myself
> approaching the pier, putting the boat in reverse, scrambling out of the
> steering station past the Bimini bows, securing the spring line, jumping
> back on the boat, warping the stern in and then securing the stern line by
> myself.
>
> Any secret tricks I haven't explored?
>
> Dennis C.
> Touche' 35-1 #83
> Mandeville, LA
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Re: Stus-List Docking seamanship

[Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List]

Dennis,

your slip is almost exactly like mine.  Floating dock with a finger to 
starboard, a neighbour to port without anything separating the two boats, 
prevailing winds from starboard. Add to it a narrow fairway.

I do it exactly like you do – turn after passing the finger (barely) and head 
up wind, towards the finger (at an angle). Right before I touch it, I steer to 
port, swinging the boat parallel to the finger. At this point I stop the boat 
using reverse – the trick is that you have to do it in a serious thrust (the 
prop walk is much more prominent when you reverse slowly).

I keep the lines on the dock. It helps. If you have this option, it might help, 
as well.

The main thing I would consider, though, is a mid-cleat line. If you adjust the 
length correctly, you could drop it on the outside cleat on the dock and stop 
the boat with it. If you are successful, it should hold the boat next to the 
finger if you put it in forward.

If it is really windy and I am solo, I don’t mid asking just about anyone on 
the dock to catch me. This helps and compensates for the PWR factor.

good luck

Marek
1994 C270 “Legato”
Ottawa, ON


From: Dennis C. via CnC-List
Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2018 11:59
To: CnClist
Cc: Dennis C.
Subject: Stus-List Docking seamanship

OK, after 20 years  of ownership, I'm pretty good at driving Touche'.  Touche's 
"home" slip in Louisiana is in a fairly protected bayou, has both outboard and 
midships pilings on either side and a port side finger pier.  I can competently 
back Touche' in using propwalk, etc. without touching any pilings.  Whoopee.

However, the "temporary" slip I use in Pensacola is a whole different scenario. 
 First, it has a starboard side finger pier which extends to just short of full 
boat length.  Second, it is a double slip with NO pilings between Touche' and 
my neighbor, an IP 37.  Third, the prevailing wind is from the starboard side.

In Pensacola, I dock Touche' bow in for privacy and scenic view issues.  
Docking stern in isn't a desirable option because the bow will fall off towards 
my neighbor while docking and looking at a scenic bayou is preferable to 
looking at a working boatyard.

So, docking bow in with a wind from starboard and prop walk which pulls the 
boat to port is a challenge.  The wind pushes the boat dramatically to port 
when docking.  The prop walk exacerbates the movement to port.  The wind and 
prop walk both working against the boat sucks.

I've tried several techniques with limited to moderate success.  The best the 
Admiral and I have come up with is to approach at a slight upwind angle to the 
finger pier, have a spring/warp line attached a bit forward of midships, have 
crew leap off the boat and secure the spring to the outermost cleat on the 
finger pier to stop forward motion.  Once the line is secure, we warp the stern 
in with forward propulsion and left rudder and secure a stern line.  The stern 
still tries to swing to port midway through this process but we manage it.

Now for my main issue.  Docking single handed.  I can't see myself approaching 
the pier, putting the boat in reverse, scrambling out of the steering station 
past the Bimini bows, securing the spring line, jumping back on the boat, 
warping the stern in and then securing the stern line by myself.

Any secret tricks I haven't explored?

Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA
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Re: Stus-List Docking seamanship

[Randy Stafford via CnC-List]

I had the exact same problem last night with a boatload of newbies on board.  
Double slip, Merit 25 to port, floating finger to starboard, I dock bow in.  
Overshot the 90-degree starboard turn into the slip while telling newbies how 
to place & tie fenders, nudged the Merit 25 (with fenders deployed), and came 
to a stop cockeyed.  Had to admit to them it wasn’t my best docking job.

My racing crew has it down to a science whatever the wind.  There’s a cleat on 
the end of the finger, with a short dock line to the sheet cleat on the coaming 
just aft of the lifeline gate brace.  When we’re coming in, somebody hops off 
forward and hands that short line to somebody else in the cockpit to pull the 
stern to starboard countering prop walk while stopping.

When single-handing I just have to do the best I can given the wind (which 
isn't always from starboard).  My dock lines have eye spices on the boat end, 
and we leave them tied to the dock and laid out, so one idea might be to use a 
boat hook to grab the loop of that aft line and pull the stern to starboard 
countering prop walk while stopping, if one person can manage all that.  After 
cleating that you’d still have to hop off quickly and get control of the bow.

Cheers,
Randy

> On Jul 31, 2018, at 10:41 AM, Dennis C. via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> Yes.  One on the outboard end, one mid-pier and one at the bow.  The outboard 
> one ends up just aft of the secondary winch when Touche' is docked properly.  
> This is the cleat the spring line is put on when we're docking.
> 
> Forgot to mention, it's a floating pier so the finger pier is well below the 
> deck.  
> 
> The neighboring boat has fenders on my side.  I put out a fender on the port 
> side.  I'm not that concerned about coming up against the neighbor boat.  
> It's more about the PWR Richard referred to and about just docking smoothly.
> 
> 
> 
> On Tue, Jul 31, 2018 at 11:07 AM, Josh Muckley via CnC-List 
> mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
> Are there cleats on the finger pier?
> 
> Josh Muckley
> S/V Sea Hawk 
> 1989 C 37+
> Solomons, MD 
> 
> 
> 
> On Tue, Jul 31, 2018, 11:59 AM Dennis C. via CnC-List  > wrote:
> OK, after 20 years  of ownership, I'm pretty good at driving Touche'.  
> Touche's "home" slip in Louisiana is in a fairly protected bayou, has both 
> outboard and midships pilings on either side and a port side finger pier.  I 
> can competently back Touche' in using propwalk, etc. without touching any 
> pilings.  Whoopee.
> 
> However, the "temporary" slip I use in Pensacola is a whole different 
> scenario.  First, it has a starboard side finger pier which extends to just 
> short of full boat length.  Second, it is a double slip with NO pilings 
> between Touche' and my neighbor, an IP 37.  Third, the prevailing wind is 
> from the starboard side.  
> 
> In Pensacola, I dock Touche' bow in for privacy and scenic view issues.  
> Docking stern in isn't a desirable option because the bow will fall off 
> towards my neighbor while docking and looking at a scenic bayou is preferable 
> to looking at a working boatyard.
> 
> So, docking bow in with a wind from starboard and prop walk which pulls the 
> boat to port is a challenge.  The wind pushes the boat dramatically to port 
> when docking.  The prop walk exacerbates the movement to port.  The wind and 
> prop walk both working against the boat sucks.
> 
> I've tried several techniques with limited to moderate success.  The best the 
> Admiral and I have come up with is to approach at a slight upwind angle to 
> the finger pier, have a spring/warp line attached a bit forward of midships, 
> have crew leap off the boat and secure the spring to the outermost cleat on 
> the finger pier to stop forward motion.  Once the line is secure, we warp the 
> stern in with forward propulsion and left rudder and secure a stern line.  
> The stern still tries to swing to port midway through this process but we 
> manage it.
> 
> Now for my main issue.  Docking single handed.  I can't see myself 
> approaching the pier, putting the boat in reverse, scrambling out of the 
> steering station past the Bimini bows, securing the spring line, jumping back 
> on the boat, warping the stern in and then securing the stern line by myself.
> 
> Any secret tricks I haven't explored?
> 
> Dennis C.
> Touche' 35-1 #83
> Mandeville, LA
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Re: Stus-List Docking seamanship

[Dennis C. via CnC-List]

Yes.  One on the outboard end, one mid-pier and one at the bow.  The
outboard one ends up just aft of the secondary winch when Touche' is docked
properly.  This is the cleat the spring line is put on when we're docking.

Forgot to mention, it's a floating pier so the finger pier is well below
the deck.

The neighboring boat has fenders on my side.  I put out a fender on the
port side.  I'm not that concerned about coming up against the neighbor
boat.  It's more about the PWR Richard referred to and about just docking
smoothly.



On Tue, Jul 31, 2018 at 11:07 AM, Josh Muckley via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Are there cleats on the finger pier?
>
> Josh Muckley
> S/V Sea Hawk
> 1989 C 37+
> Solomons, MD
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jul 31, 2018, 11:59 AM Dennis C. via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>> OK, after 20 years  of ownership, I'm pretty good at driving Touche'.
>> Touche's "home" slip in Louisiana is in a fairly protected bayou, has both
>> outboard and midships pilings on either side and a port side finger pier.
>> I can competently back Touche' in using propwalk, etc. without touching any
>> pilings.  Whoopee.
>>
>> However, the "temporary" slip I use in Pensacola is a whole different
>> scenario.  First, it has a starboard side finger pier which extends to just
>> short of full boat length.  Second, it is a double slip with NO pilings
>> between Touche' and my neighbor, an IP 37.  Third, the prevailing wind is
>> from the starboard side.
>>
>> In Pensacola, I dock Touche' bow in for privacy and scenic view issues.  
>> Docking
>> stern in isn't a desirable option because the bow will fall off towards my
>> neighbor while docking and looking at a scenic bayou is preferable to
>> looking at a working boatyard.
>>
>> So, docking bow in with a wind from starboard and prop walk which pulls
>> the boat to port is a challenge.  The wind pushes the boat dramatically to
>> port when docking.  The prop walk exacerbates the movement to port.  The
>> wind and prop walk both working against the boat sucks.
>>
>> I've tried several techniques with limited to moderate success.  The best
>> the Admiral and I have come up with is to approach at a slight upwind angle
>> to the finger pier, have a spring/warp line attached a bit forward of
>> midships, have crew leap off the boat and secure the spring to the
>> outermost cleat on the finger pier to stop forward motion.  Once the line
>> is secure, we warp the stern in with forward propulsion and left rudder and
>> secure a stern line.  The stern still tries to swing to port midway through
>> this process but we manage it.
>>
>> Now for my main issue.  Docking single handed.  I can't see myself
>> approaching the pier, putting the boat in reverse, scrambling out of the
>> steering station past the Bimini bows, securing the spring line, jumping
>> back on the boat, warping the stern in and then securing the stern line by
>> myself.
>>
>> Any secret tricks I haven't explored?
>>
>> Dennis C.
>> Touche' 35-1 #83
>> Mandeville, LA
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>>
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Re: Stus-List Docking seamanship

[Frederick G Street via CnC-List]

Installing a bow thruster?   :^)

— Fred

Fred Street -- Minneapolis
S/V Oceanis (1979 C Landfall 38) -- Bayfield, WI

> On Jul 31, 2018, at 10:58 AM, Dennis C. via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> OK, after 20 years  of ownership, I'm pretty good at driving Touche'.  
> Touche's "home" slip in Louisiana is in a fairly protected bayou, has both 
> outboard and midships pilings on either side and a port side finger pier.  I 
> can competently back Touche' in using propwalk, etc. without touching any 
> pilings.  Whoopee.
> 
> However, the "temporary" slip I use in Pensacola is a whole different 
> scenario.  First, it has a starboard side finger pier which extends to just 
> short of full boat length.  Second, it is a double slip with NO pilings 
> between Touche' and my neighbor, an IP 37.  Third, the prevailing wind is 
> from the starboard side.  
> 
> In Pensacola, I dock Touche' bow in for privacy and scenic view issues.  
> Docking stern in isn't a desirable option because the bow will fall off 
> towards my neighbor while docking and looking at a scenic bayou is preferable 
> to looking at a working boatyard.
> 
> So, docking bow in with a wind from starboard and prop walk which pulls the 
> boat to port is a challenge.  The wind pushes the boat dramatically to port 
> when docking.  The prop walk exacerbates the movement to port.  The wind and 
> prop walk both working against the boat sucks.
> 
> I've tried several techniques with limited to moderate success.  The best the 
> Admiral and I have come up with is to approach at a slight upwind angle to 
> the finger pier, have a spring/warp line attached a bit forward of midships, 
> have crew leap off the boat and secure the spring to the outermost cleat on 
> the finger pier to stop forward motion.  Once the line is secure, we warp the 
> stern in with forward propulsion and left rudder and secure a stern line.  
> The stern still tries to swing to port midway through this process but we 
> manage it.
> 
> Now for my main issue.  Docking single handed.  I can't see myself 
> approaching the pier, putting the boat in reverse, scrambling out of the 
> steering station past the Bimini bows, securing the spring line, jumping back 
> on the boat, warping the stern in and then securing the stern line by myself.
> 
> Any secret tricks I haven't explored?
> 
> Dennis C.
> Touche' 35-1 #83
> Mandeville, LA
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Re: Stus-List Docking seamanship

[bushmark4--- via CnC-List]

 Dennis; you do not have a problem... it is the "PWR" in effect; the PWR is the 
"People Watching Rule"; which is; "The amount of difficulty encountered when 
docking is directly proportional to the number of people watching": there are 
variations of course; but the gist is that you need to dock when there is no 
one around and you can back in, lasso the cleats and not spill a drop of your 
beverage of choice; but if even one person is watching...well

 


Richard
s/v Bushmark4: 1985 C 37 CB; Ohio River, Mile 584.4;


Richard N. Bush
2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine
Louisville, Kentucky 40220-1462 
502-584-7255

 

 

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From: Dennis C. via CnC-List 
To: CnClist 
Cc: Dennis C. 
Sent: Tue, Jul 31, 2018 11:59 am
Subject: Stus-List Docking seamanship



OK, after 20 years  of ownership, I'm pretty good at driving Touche'.  Touche's 
"home" slip in Louisiana is in a fairly protected bayou, has both outboard and 
midships pilings on either side and a port side finger pier.  I can competently 
back Touche' in using propwalk, etc. without touching any pilings.  Whoopee.


However, the "temporary" slip I use in Pensacola is a whole different scenario. 
 First, it has a starboard side finger pier which extends to just short of full 
boat length.  Second, it is a double slip with NO pilings between Touche' and 
my neighbor, an IP 37.  Third, the prevailing wind is from the starboard side.  


In Pensacola, I dock Touche' bow in for privacy and scenic view issues.  
Docking stern in isn't a desirable option because the bow will fall off towards 
my neighbor while docking and looking at a scenic bayou is preferable to 
looking at a working boatyard.


So, docking bow in with a wind from starboard and prop walk which pulls the 
boat to port is a challenge.  The wind pushes the boat dramatically to port 
when docking.  The prop walk exacerbates the movement to port.  The wind and 
prop walk both working against the boat sucks.


I've tried several techniques with limited to moderate success.  The best the 
Admiral and I have come up with is to approach at a slight upwind angle to the 
finger pier, have a spring/warp line attached a bit forward of midships, have 
crew leap off the boat and secure the spring to the outermost cleat on the 
finger pier to stop forward motion.  Once the line is secure, we warp the stern 
in with forward propulsion and left rudder and secure a stern line.  The stern 
still tries to swing to port midway through this process but we manage it.


Now for my main issue.  Docking single handed.  I can't see myself approaching 
the pier, putting the boat in reverse, scrambling out of the steering station 
past the Bimini bows, securing the spring line, jumping back on the boat, 
warping the stern in and then securing the stern line by myself.


Any secret tricks I haven't explored?


Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA

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Re: Stus-List Docking seamanship

[Josh Muckley via CnC-List]

Are there cleats on the finger pier?

Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C 37+
Solomons, MD



On Tue, Jul 31, 2018, 11:59 AM Dennis C. via CnC-List 
wrote:

> OK, after 20 years  of ownership, I'm pretty good at driving Touche'.
> Touche's "home" slip in Louisiana is in a fairly protected bayou, has both
> outboard and midships pilings on either side and a port side finger pier.
> I can competently back Touche' in using propwalk, etc. without touching any
> pilings.  Whoopee.
>
> However, the "temporary" slip I use in Pensacola is a whole different
> scenario.  First, it has a starboard side finger pier which extends to just
> short of full boat length.  Second, it is a double slip with NO pilings
> between Touche' and my neighbor, an IP 37.  Third, the prevailing wind is
> from the starboard side.
>
> In Pensacola, I dock Touche' bow in for privacy and scenic view issues.  
> Docking
> stern in isn't a desirable option because the bow will fall off towards my
> neighbor while docking and looking at a scenic bayou is preferable to
> looking at a working boatyard.
>
> So, docking bow in with a wind from starboard and prop walk which pulls
> the boat to port is a challenge.  The wind pushes the boat dramatically to
> port when docking.  The prop walk exacerbates the movement to port.  The
> wind and prop walk both working against the boat sucks.
>
> I've tried several techniques with limited to moderate success.  The best
> the Admiral and I have come up with is to approach at a slight upwind angle
> to the finger pier, have a spring/warp line attached a bit forward of
> midships, have crew leap off the boat and secure the spring to the
> outermost cleat on the finger pier to stop forward motion.  Once the line
> is secure, we warp the stern in with forward propulsion and left rudder and
> secure a stern line.  The stern still tries to swing to port midway through
> this process but we manage it.
>
> Now for my main issue.  Docking single handed.  I can't see myself
> approaching the pier, putting the boat in reverse, scrambling out of the
> steering station past the Bimini bows, securing the spring line, jumping
> back on the boat, warping the stern in and then securing the stern line by
> myself.
>
> Any secret tricks I haven't explored?
>
> Dennis C.
> Touche' 35-1 #83
> Mandeville, LA
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