Re: Stus-List [EXTERNAL] Re: Prepping for 35-1 Keel Bolts/Smile Fix
I understand side to side crooked being an issue. I was wondering if the boat was leaning harder on the front or back of the keel would be an issue. Neil 1982 C 32 Neil Andersen 20691 Jamieson Rd Rock Hall, MD 21661 From: Della Barba, Joe Sent: Monday, February 11, 2019 10:39 AM To: Neil Andersen; cnc-list@cnc-list.com; cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: RE: Stus-List [EXTERNAL] Re: Prepping for 35-1 Keel Bolts/Smile Fix That did not prove to be an issue. If the keel is crooked you have a LOT bigger issues than loose bolts! Joe Della Barba Coquina C 35 MK I From: Neil Andersen [mailto:neil.eric.ander...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, February 11, 2019 10:33 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com; cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Della Barba, Joe Subject: Re: Stus-List [EXTERNAL] Re: Prepping for 35-1 Keel Bolts/Smile Fix But how could you tell the boat was leaning on the keel evenly? Neil Andersen 20691 Jamieson Rd Rock Hall, MD 21661 From: CnC-List mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com>> on behalf of Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> Sent: Monday, February 11, 2019 10:27 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> Cc: Della Barba, Joe Subject: Re: Stus-List [EXTERNAL] Re: Prepping for 35-1 Keel Bolts/Smile Fix I wasn’t worried about the keel falling off. Just sitting still in the slip I could probably take half of them off. The reason I tighten them on the hard is twofold – I don’t want to strip the threads using the nuts to pull the keel up and I am not sure how to even evaluate the torque corrections for hundreds or thousands of pounds of strain on the bolts. Joe Della Barba Coquina C 35 MK I From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Josh Muckley via CnC-List Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2019 11:49 PM To: C List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> Cc: Josh Muckley mailto:muckl...@gmail.com>> Subject: Re: Stus-List [EXTERNAL] Re: Prepping for 35-1 Keel Bolts/Smile Fix Russ, it is my belief that the idea behind any torque spec is that it is applied when no "pull in" stress is being applied. Does it matter too much for keel bolt? I don't know. 2 the 8 of mine are under the mast so I'm not going to torque the bolts very often but when I do it will be as "proper" as possible. Josh Muckley S/V Sea Hawk 1989 C 37+ Solomons, MD On Sun, Feb 10, 2019, 2:16 AM Russ & Melody via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: I've always wondered why there is an insistence amongst some East Coast members to retorque keel-bolts on the hard. On the Left Coast the boats are out of the water for only a day or three and it seems too valuable to do something as mundane as resetting keel nuts! check the chart: https://www.engineersedge.com/hardware/torque_vs_tension_bolts_13355.htm one bolt will hold at least three or more keels to the bottom. Has there been bad experience torgue'ng keelbolts while floating? Cheers, Russ ex- Sweet 35 mk-1 ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
Re: Stus-List [EXTERNAL] Re: Prepping for 35-1 Keel Bolts/Smile Fix
That did not prove to be an issue. If the keel is crooked you have a LOT bigger issues than loose bolts! Joe Della Barba Coquina C 35 MK I From: Neil Andersen [mailto:neil.eric.ander...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, February 11, 2019 10:33 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com; cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Della Barba, Joe Subject: Re: Stus-List [EXTERNAL] Re: Prepping for 35-1 Keel Bolts/Smile Fix But how could you tell the boat was leaning on the keel evenly? Neil Andersen 20691 Jamieson Rd Rock Hall, MD 21661 From: CnC-List mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com>> on behalf of Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> Sent: Monday, February 11, 2019 10:27 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> Cc: Della Barba, Joe Subject: Re: Stus-List [EXTERNAL] Re: Prepping for 35-1 Keel Bolts/Smile Fix I wasn't worried about the keel falling off. Just sitting still in the slip I could probably take half of them off. The reason I tighten them on the hard is twofold - I don't want to strip the threads using the nuts to pull the keel up and I am not sure how to even evaluate the torque corrections for hundreds or thousands of pounds of strain on the bolts. Joe Della Barba Coquina C 35 MK I From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Josh Muckley via CnC-List Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2019 11:49 PM To: C List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> Cc: Josh Muckley mailto:muckl...@gmail.com>> Subject: Re: Stus-List [EXTERNAL] Re: Prepping for 35-1 Keel Bolts/Smile Fix Russ, it is my belief that the idea behind any torque spec is that it is applied when no "pull in" stress is being applied. Does it matter too much for keel bolt? I don't know. 2 the 8 of mine are under the mast so I'm not going to torque the bolts very often but when I do it will be as "proper" as possible. Josh Muckley S/V Sea Hawk 1989 C 37+ Solomons, MD On Sun, Feb 10, 2019, 2:16 AM Russ & Melody via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: I've always wondered why there is an insistence amongst some East Coast members to retorque keel-bolts on the hard. On the Left Coast the boats are out of the water for only a day or three and it seems too valuable to do something as mundane as resetting keel nuts! check the chart: https://www.engineersedge.com/hardware/torque_vs_tension_bolts_13355.htm one bolt will hold at least three or more keels to the bottom. Has there been bad experience torgue'ng keelbolts while floating? Cheers, Russ ex- Sweet 35 mk-1 ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
Re: Stus-List [EXTERNAL] Re: Prepping for 35-1 Keel Bolts/Smile Fix
But how could you tell the boat was leaning on the keel evenly? Neil Andersen 20691 Jamieson Rd Rock Hall, MD 21661 From: CnC-List on behalf of Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List Sent: Monday, February 11, 2019 10:27 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Della Barba, Joe Subject: Re: Stus-List [EXTERNAL] Re: Prepping for 35-1 Keel Bolts/Smile Fix I wasn’t worried about the keel falling off. Just sitting still in the slip I could probably take half of them off. The reason I tighten them on the hard is twofold – I don’t want to strip the threads using the nuts to pull the keel up and I am not sure how to even evaluate the torque corrections for hundreds or thousands of pounds of strain on the bolts. Joe Della Barba Coquina C 35 MK I From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Josh Muckley via CnC-List Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2019 11:49 PM To: C List Cc: Josh Muckley Subject: Re: Stus-List [EXTERNAL] Re: Prepping for 35-1 Keel Bolts/Smile Fix Russ, it is my belief that the idea behind any torque spec is that it is applied when no "pull in" stress is being applied. Does it matter too much for keel bolt? I don't know. 2 the 8 of mine are under the mast so I'm not going to torque the bolts very often but when I do it will be as "proper" as possible. Josh Muckley S/V Sea Hawk 1989 C 37+ Solomons, MD On Sun, Feb 10, 2019, 2:16 AM Russ & Melody via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: I've always wondered why there is an insistence amongst some East Coast members to retorque keel-bolts on the hard. On the Left Coast the boats are out of the water for only a day or three and it seems too valuable to do something as mundane as resetting keel nuts! check the chart: https://www.engineersedge.com/hardware/torque_vs_tension_bolts_13355.htm one bolt will hold at least three or more keels to the bottom. Has there been bad experience torgue'ng keelbolts while floating? Cheers, Russ ex- Sweet 35 mk-1 ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
Re: Stus-List [EXTERNAL] Re: Prepping for 35-1 Keel Bolts/Smile Fix
I wasn’t worried about the keel falling off. Just sitting still in the slip I could probably take half of them off. The reason I tighten them on the hard is twofold – I don’t want to strip the threads using the nuts to pull the keel up and I am not sure how to even evaluate the torque corrections for hundreds or thousands of pounds of strain on the bolts. Joe Della Barba Coquina C 35 MK I From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Josh Muckley via CnC-List Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2019 11:49 PM To: C List Cc: Josh Muckley Subject: Re: Stus-List [EXTERNAL] Re: Prepping for 35-1 Keel Bolts/Smile Fix Russ, it is my belief that the idea behind any torque spec is that it is applied when no "pull in" stress is being applied. Does it matter too much for keel bolt? I don't know. 2 the 8 of mine are under the mast so I'm not going to torque the bolts very often but when I do it will be as "proper" as possible. Josh Muckley S/V Sea Hawk 1989 C 37+ Solomons, MD On Sun, Feb 10, 2019, 2:16 AM Russ & Melody via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: I've always wondered why there is an insistence amongst some East Coast members to retorque keel-bolts on the hard. On the Left Coast the boats are out of the water for only a day or three and it seems too valuable to do something as mundane as resetting keel nuts! check the chart: https://www.engineersedge.com/hardware/torque_vs_tension_bolts_13355.htm one bolt will hold at least three or more keels to the bottom. Has there been bad experience torgue'ng keelbolts while floating? Cheers, Russ ex- Sweet 35 mk-1 ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
Re: Stus-List [EXTERNAL] Re: Prepping for 35-1 Keel Bolts/Smile Fix
Russ, it is my belief that the idea behind any torque spec is that it is applied when no "pull in" stress is being applied. Does it matter too much for keel bolt? I don't know. 2 the 8 of mine are under the mast so I'm not going to torque the bolts very often but when I do it will be as "proper" as possible. Josh Muckley S/V Sea Hawk 1989 C 37+ Solomons, MD On Sun, Feb 10, 2019, 2:16 AM Russ & Melody via CnC-List < cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: > > I've always wondered why there is an insistence amongst some East Coast > members to retorque keel-bolts on the hard. > > On the Left Coast the boats are out of the water for only a day or three > and it seems too valuable to do something as mundane as resetting keel nuts! > > check the chart: > https://www.engineersedge.com/hardware/torque_vs_tension_bolts_13355.htm > one bolt will hold at least three or more keels to the bottom. > > Has there been bad experience torgue'ng keelbolts while floating? > > Cheers, Russ > ex-* Sweet *35 mk-1 > > > > At 11:00 AM 2/7/2019, you wrote: > > Content-Language: en-US > Content-Type: multipart/alternative; > > boundary="_000_26b9b433ef9c44e2a3bbced895c96553NSCDAG306baadssagov_" > > Even more so when you loosen them! > > > You asked if there was anything you were missing. A critical step is to > be on the hard when you torque the bolts. > > Josh Muckley > S/V Sea Hawk > 1989 C 37+ > Solomons, MD > > ___ > > Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each > and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - > use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray > > ___ > > Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each > and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - > use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray > > ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
Re: Stus-List [EXTERNAL] Re: Prepping for 35-1 Keel Bolts/Smile Fix
Not sure of the pros and cons of either way, but I always torque the bolts prior to splashing the boat...as do the members of my club, as far as I have observed. Bill Bruce Landfall 38 ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
Re: Stus-List [EXTERNAL] Re: Prepping for 35-1 Keel Bolts/Smile Fix
I've always wondered why there is an insistence amongst some East Coast members to retorque keel-bolts on the hard. On the Left Coast the boats are out of the water for only a day or three and it seems too valuable to do something as mundane as resetting keel nuts! check the chart: https://www.engineersedge.com/hardware/torque_vs_tension_bolts_13355.htm one bolt will hold at least three or more keels to the bottom. Has there been bad experience torgue'ng keelbolts while floating? Cheers, Russ ex-Sweet 35 mk-1 At 11:00 AM 2/7/2019, you wrote: Content-Language: en-US Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_26b9b433ef9c44e2a3bbced895c96553NSCDAG306baadssagov_" Even more so when you loosen them! You asked if there was anything you were missing. A critical step is to be on the hard when you torque the bolts. Josh Muckley S/V Sea Hawk 1989 C 37+ Solomons, MD ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
Re: Stus-List [EXTERNAL] Re: Prepping for 35-1 Keel Bolts/Smile Fix
Even more so when you loosen them! You asked if there was anything you were missing. A critical step is to be on the hard when you torque the bolts. Josh Muckley S/V Sea Hawk 1989 C 37+ Solomons, MD ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
