Re: Stus-List 35 Mk2 sea trial tomorrow - newbie advice needed
Hi Neil, Thanks for the info! This reminded me that I have a copy of a purchase agreement form given to me my a broker, so I am now adapting that to my needs. We have several realtors in the family, so I am quite familiar with the real estate forms, which are very similar. I plan to present the offer after our sea trial, along with a deposit cheque and will get the buyer to sign it once we settle on the dates and subjects (which may change of course). The sun is out, and it's looking like a great day for a sail (sale!), and it's also our anniversary, so I can't think of a better way to celebrate! :) On Sat, Apr 20, 2019 at 6:52 AM Neil Andersen via CnC-List < cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > Just a point of clarification, I don’t think I was as clear as I could > have been. > > There is a difference between acceptance of offer by the seller and > acceptance of vessel. Receiving multiple offers is reasonable until an > offer is accepted. Once the offer is accepted by the seller, any > subsequent offers should only be accepted as a backup. > > Neil > > Neil Andersen > 20691 Jamieson Rd > Rock Hall, MD 21661 > > -- > *From:* Neil Andersen > *Sent:* Saturday, April 20, 2019 8:04 AM > *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com; cnc-list@cnc-list.com > *Cc:* WILLIAM WALKER > *Subject:* Re: Stus-List 35 Mk2 sea trial tomorrow - newbie advice needed > > I had to weigh in again. I’m a broker. We use the YBAA standard contract > which is buyer friendly. Until the buyer signs an acceptance, they are not > committed. The offer is accompanied by a 10% refundable deposit. Before > the vessel is accepted, the seller can entertain other offers, but is is > only ethical for the seller to allow the others to meet/beat. We would not > share offer valuations. > > Going through a broker provides some safety as they can hold funds in an > escrow account and handle the distribution and settlement. > > Regardless of how much a boat costs, like with any real estate, it > involves two strangers typically. > > If I can help a fellow C’er, drop my a private email. > > Neil Andersen > 1982 C 32, FoxFire > Rock Hall,MD > > Neil Andersen > 20691 Jamieson Rd > Rock Hall, MD 21661 > > -- > *From:* CnC-List on behalf of WILLIAM > WALKER via CnC-List > *Sent:* Friday, April 19, 2019 9:02 PM > *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com > *Cc:* WILLIAM WALKER > *Subject:* Re: Stus-List 35 Mk2 sea trial tomorrow - newbie advice needed > > > It's probably the lawyer in me, but 1. don't give cash, 2. don't give a > post dated check...he needs to show some trust in you, and 3. don't trust > him not to peddle your offer. period. a contract is a contract. > The deal is with you or there is no deal. sorry, but I have seen a 1000 > go bad. > Bill Walker > CnC 36 > > Bill Walker > > > -- > On Friday, April 19, 2019 Shawn Wright via CnC-List > wrote: > > I have told the seller already that I have $10K in cash (from the last > deal that went south) ready to hand him, and the rest by cheque. I will > give him a deposit and signed offer tomorrow after the sea trial. Is 10% a > typical deposit? I will probably give him a cheque, post-dated to the date > of the haulout, which is when we expect to complete, unless he wants cash. > > He has already stated that he wouldn't tell the other buyer the price, but > would just tell him that sorry, he has accepted a written offer. It seems > to contradict his earlier comment where he said he'd give the other guy the > chance to make an offer, but I think he now has serious doubts about the > other guy actually completing. We are prepared to complete as soon as I can > be satisfied with an inspection, sea trial, and finally a haulout > inspection (which is scheduled for 2 weeks from now). > > I'm trying hard to remain emotionally neutral (lots of practice at this!) > and be prepared to walk if something serious comes up, or adjust the price > accordingly, but I don't expect that to happen, aside from the deck issue > around the chainplates. This is one area where a proper survey might pay > for itself, if the surveyor could place a dollar figure on the repair, but > surveyors are booking a month out right now. I will still keep trying > though, since I will need one to renew insurance in a year anyway. (the > insurance company has already agreed to reinsure for new owner based on 4 > year old survey). > > I guess it's possible that something during the sea trial goes wrong also, > but the boat is well equipped and said to sail so well, so this seems > unlikely. > > Fingers crossed! > > On Fri, Apr 19, 2019 at 2:47 PM Bill Coleman via CnC-List <
Re: Stus-List 35 Mk2 sea trial tomorrow - newbie advice needed
Just a point of clarification, I don’t think I was as clear as I could have been. There is a difference between acceptance of offer by the seller and acceptance of vessel. Receiving multiple offers is reasonable until an offer is accepted. Once the offer is accepted by the seller, any subsequent offers should only be accepted as a backup. Neil Neil Andersen 20691 Jamieson Rd Rock Hall, MD 21661 From: Neil Andersen Sent: Saturday, April 20, 2019 8:04 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com; cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: WILLIAM WALKER Subject: Re: Stus-List 35 Mk2 sea trial tomorrow - newbie advice needed I had to weigh in again. I’m a broker. We use the YBAA standard contract which is buyer friendly. Until the buyer signs an acceptance, they are not committed. The offer is accompanied by a 10% refundable deposit. Before the vessel is accepted, the seller can entertain other offers, but is is only ethical for the seller to allow the others to meet/beat. We would not share offer valuations. Going through a broker provides some safety as they can hold funds in an escrow account and handle the distribution and settlement. Regardless of how much a boat costs, like with any real estate, it involves two strangers typically. If I can help a fellow C’er, drop my a private email. Neil Andersen 1982 C 32, FoxFire Rock Hall,MD Neil Andersen 20691 Jamieson Rd Rock Hall, MD 21661 From: CnC-List on behalf of WILLIAM WALKER via CnC-List Sent: Friday, April 19, 2019 9:02 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: WILLIAM WALKER Subject: Re: Stus-List 35 Mk2 sea trial tomorrow - newbie advice needed It's probably the lawyer in me, but 1. don't give cash, 2. don't give a post dated check...he needs to show some trust in you, and 3. don't trust him not to peddle your offer. period. a contract is a contract. The deal is with you or there is no deal. sorry, but I have seen a 1000 go bad. Bill Walker CnC 36 Bill Walker On Friday, April 19, 2019 Shawn Wright via CnC-List wrote: I have told the seller already that I have $10K in cash (from the last deal that went south) ready to hand him, and the rest by cheque. I will give him a deposit and signed offer tomorrow after the sea trial. Is 10% a typical deposit? I will probably give him a cheque, post-dated to the date of the haulout, which is when we expect to complete, unless he wants cash. He has already stated that he wouldn't tell the other buyer the price, but would just tell him that sorry, he has accepted a written offer. It seems to contradict his earlier comment where he said he'd give the other guy the chance to make an offer, but I think he now has serious doubts about the other guy actually completing. We are prepared to complete as soon as I can be satisfied with an inspection, sea trial, and finally a haulout inspection (which is scheduled for 2 weeks from now). I'm trying hard to remain emotionally neutral (lots of practice at this!) and be prepared to walk if something serious comes up, or adjust the price accordingly, but I don't expect that to happen, aside from the deck issue around the chainplates. This is one area where a proper survey might pay for itself, if the surveyor could place a dollar figure on the repair, but surveyors are booking a month out right now. I will still keep trying though, since I will need one to renew insurance in a year anyway. (the insurance company has already agreed to reinsure for new owner based on 4 year old survey). I guess it's possible that something during the sea trial goes wrong also, but the boat is well equipped and said to sail so well, so this seems unlikely. Fingers crossed! On Fri, Apr 19, 2019 at 2:47 PM Bill Coleman via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote: Like they say, money talks and bullshit walks – Eg, whomever has a deposit on the boat is first in line, in anything I have ever dealt with. Bill Coleman C 39 Erie, PA Honestly, I would not let the seller peddle your offer to the other buyer. Tell seller if he accepts your offer you expect to hold him to it. If he feels he needs to give other buyer a last shot, he should say to him, sign a contract or I am moving on to next in line... Bill Walker On Friday, April 19, 2019 Gary Russell via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote: Hi Shawn, The 35 Mk II is a fantastic boat (I owned one), but purchasing without a survey is quite risky. You seem to understand that, so I won't belabor the point. Dennis is right (usually is), the tabbing of the forward bulkhead can be an issue, but is not particularly difficult or expensive to fix. Mine was broken, but I fixed it myself and never had any more problems. I would be more concerned about the balsa coring in the deck. Without the proper tools (moisture meter), I don't
Re: Stus-List 35 Mk2 sea trial tomorrow - newbie advice needed
I had to weigh in again. I’m a broker. We use the YBAA standard contract which is buyer friendly. Until the buyer signs an acceptance, they are not committed. The offer is accompanied by a 10% refundable deposit. Before the vessel is accepted, the seller can entertain other offers, but is is only ethical for the seller to allow the others to meet/beat. We would not share offer valuations. Going through a broker provides some safety as they can hold funds in an escrow account and handle the distribution and settlement. Regardless of how much a boat costs, like with any real estate, it involves two strangers typically. If I can help a fellow C’er, drop my a private email. Neil Andersen 1982 C 32, FoxFire Rock Hall,MD Neil Andersen 20691 Jamieson Rd Rock Hall, MD 21661 From: CnC-List on behalf of WILLIAM WALKER via CnC-List Sent: Friday, April 19, 2019 9:02 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: WILLIAM WALKER Subject: Re: Stus-List 35 Mk2 sea trial tomorrow - newbie advice needed It's probably the lawyer in me, but 1. don't give cash, 2. don't give a post dated check...he needs to show some trust in you, and 3. don't trust him not to peddle your offer. period. a contract is a contract. The deal is with you or there is no deal. sorry, but I have seen a 1000 go bad. Bill Walker CnC 36 Bill Walker On Friday, April 19, 2019 Shawn Wright via CnC-List wrote: I have told the seller already that I have $10K in cash (from the last deal that went south) ready to hand him, and the rest by cheque. I will give him a deposit and signed offer tomorrow after the sea trial. Is 10% a typical deposit? I will probably give him a cheque, post-dated to the date of the haulout, which is when we expect to complete, unless he wants cash. He has already stated that he wouldn't tell the other buyer the price, but would just tell him that sorry, he has accepted a written offer. It seems to contradict his earlier comment where he said he'd give the other guy the chance to make an offer, but I think he now has serious doubts about the other guy actually completing. We are prepared to complete as soon as I can be satisfied with an inspection, sea trial, and finally a haulout inspection (which is scheduled for 2 weeks from now). I'm trying hard to remain emotionally neutral (lots of practice at this!) and be prepared to walk if something serious comes up, or adjust the price accordingly, but I don't expect that to happen, aside from the deck issue around the chainplates. This is one area where a proper survey might pay for itself, if the surveyor could place a dollar figure on the repair, but surveyors are booking a month out right now. I will still keep trying though, since I will need one to renew insurance in a year anyway. (the insurance company has already agreed to reinsure for new owner based on 4 year old survey). I guess it's possible that something during the sea trial goes wrong also, but the boat is well equipped and said to sail so well, so this seems unlikely. Fingers crossed! On Fri, Apr 19, 2019 at 2:47 PM Bill Coleman via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote: Like they say, money talks and bullshit walks – Eg, whomever has a deposit on the boat is first in line, in anything I have ever dealt with. Bill Coleman C 39 Erie, PA Honestly, I would not let the seller peddle your offer to the other buyer. Tell seller if he accepts your offer you expect to hold him to it. If he feels he needs to give other buyer a last shot, he should say to him, sign a contract or I am moving on to next in line... Bill Walker On Friday, April 19, 2019 Gary Russell via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote: Hi Shawn, The 35 Mk II is a fantastic boat (I owned one), but purchasing without a survey is quite risky. You seem to understand that, so I won't belabor the point. Dennis is right (usually is), the tabbing of the forward bulkhead can be an issue, but is not particularly difficult or expensive to fix. Mine was broken, but I fixed it myself and never had any more problems. I would be more concerned about the balsa coring in the deck. Without the proper tools (moisture meter), I don't know how you are going to check for that. You can tap on the deck with the handle of a screwdriver, listening for the softer sound, but without experience, I'm not sure how successful you will be. Do you have access to the mechanical inspection? Replacing the engine or transmission for whatever reason can be very expensive. Should at least do an oil analysis of the engine and transmission as well as a compression check of the engine. Are you experienced enough to evaluate the condition of the sails. Even if they don't have rips or holes in them, it doesn't mean they are not all bagged out and useless. A decent main sail might co
Re: Stus-List 35 Mk2 sea trial tomorrow - newbie advice needed
It's probably the lawyer in me, but 1. don't give cash, 2. don't give a post dated check...he needs to show some trust in you, and 3. don't trust him not to peddle your offer. period. a contract is a contract. The deal is with you or there is no deal. sorry, but I have seen a 1000 go bad. Bill Walker CnC 36 Bill Walker On Friday, April 19, 2019 Shawn Wright via CnC-List wrote: I have told the seller already that I have $10K in cash (from the last deal that went south) ready to hand him, and the rest by cheque. I will give him a deposit and signed offer tomorrow after the sea trial. Is 10% a typical deposit? I will probably give him a cheque, post-dated to the date of the haulout, which is when we expect to complete, unless he wants cash. He has already stated that he wouldn't tell the other buyer the price, but would just tell him that sorry, he has accepted a written offer. It seems to contradict his earlier comment where he said he'd give the other guy the chance to make an offer, but I think he now has serious doubts about the other guy actually completing. We are prepared to complete as soon as I can be satisfied with an inspection, sea trial, and finally a haulout inspection (which is scheduled for 2 weeks from now). I'm trying hard to remain emotionally neutral (lots of practice at this!) and be prepared to walk if something serious comes up, or adjust the price accordingly, but I don't expect that to happen, aside from the deck issue around the chainplates. This is one area where a proper survey might pay for itself, if the surveyor could place a dollar figure on the repair, but surveyors are booking a month out right now. I will still keep trying though, since I will need one to renew insurance in a year anyway. (the insurance company has already agreed to reinsure for new owner based on 4 year old survey). I guess it's possible that something during the sea trial goes wrong also, but the boat is well equipped and said to sail so well, so this seems unlikely. Fingers crossed! On Fri, Apr 19, 2019 at 2:47 PM Bill Coleman via CnC-List wrote: Like they say, money talks and bullshit walks – Eg, whomever has a deposit on the boat is first in line, inanything I have ever dealt with. Bill Coleman C 39 Erie, PA Honestly, I would not let the seller peddle your offer to the otherbuyer. Tell seller if he accepts your offer you expect to hold him toit. If he feels he needs to give other buyer a last shot, he should sayto him, sign a contract or I am moving on to next in line... Bill Walker On Friday, April 19, 2019 Gary Russell via CnC-List wrote: Hi Shawn, The 35 MkII is a fantastic boat (I owned one), but purchasing without a survey is quiterisky. You seem to understand that, so I won't belabor the point. Dennis isright (usually is), the tabbing of the forward bulkhead can be an issue, but isnot particularly difficult or expensive to fix. Mine was broken, but Ifixed it myself and never had any more problems. I would be moreconcerned about the balsa coring in the deck. Without the proper tools(moisture meter), I don't know how you are going to check for that. Youcan tap on the deck with the handle of a screwdriver, listening for the softersound, but without experience, I'm not sure how successful you will be. Do you have access to the mechanical inspection? Replacing the engine ortransmission for whatever reason can be very expensive. Should at leastdo an oil analysis of the engine and transmission as well as a compressioncheck of the engine. Are you experienced enough to evaluate the conditionof the sails. Even if they don't have rips or holes in them, it doesn'tmean they are not all bagged out and useless. A decent main sail mightcost you $3-4K. The reality is there are many things that can go wrongwith a sailboat that seem simple but cost a lot to fix. I'm not trying tobe negative, just realistic. If you get a good 35 Mk II, you will reallyenjoy a wonderful sailing boat. Best of luck, Gary S/V Kaylarah '90 C 37+ East Greenwich, RI, USA ~~~_/)~~ On Fri, Apr 19, 2019 at 3:49 PMDennis C. via CnC-List wrote: Look at all the bulkhead/hulltabbing in the fore section. Forward of the head and hanging locker. Dennis C. Touché 35-1 #83 Mandeville, LA Sent from my iPhone On Apr 19, 2019, at 2:39 PM, Shawn Wright via CnC-List wrote: I'm happy to report that wehave agreed on a price, subject to a sea trial and survey. Unfortunately, thereare no surveyors able to conduct a survey for 3-4 weeks, so we may considerforegoing that and instead do a very thorough inspection of the boat myself,followed by a haulout inspection in a few weeks. The situation is a bit unusual:the seller has done a sea trial with another buyer, and the buyer paid for a mechanicalinspection, and has a survey booked in 2 weeks. But that buyer has not made aformal offer (not sure why the seller
Re: Stus-List 35 Mk2 sea trial tomorrow - newbie advice needed
I have told the seller already that I have $10K in cash (from the last deal that went south) ready to hand him, and the rest by cheque. I will give him a deposit and signed offer tomorrow after the sea trial. Is 10% a typical deposit? I will probably give him a cheque, post-dated to the date of the haulout, which is when we expect to complete, unless he wants cash. He has already stated that he wouldn't tell the other buyer the price, but would just tell him that sorry, he has accepted a written offer. It seems to contradict his earlier comment where he said he'd give the other guy the chance to make an offer, but I think he now has serious doubts about the other guy actually completing. We are prepared to complete as soon as I can be satisfied with an inspection, sea trial, and finally a haulout inspection (which is scheduled for 2 weeks from now). I'm trying hard to remain emotionally neutral (lots of practice at this!) and be prepared to walk if something serious comes up, or adjust the price accordingly, but I don't expect that to happen, aside from the deck issue around the chainplates. This is one area where a proper survey might pay for itself, if the surveyor could place a dollar figure on the repair, but surveyors are booking a month out right now. I will still keep trying though, since I will need one to renew insurance in a year anyway. (the insurance company has already agreed to reinsure for new owner based on 4 year old survey). I guess it's possible that something during the sea trial goes wrong also, but the boat is well equipped and said to sail so well, so this seems unlikely. Fingers crossed! On Fri, Apr 19, 2019 at 2:47 PM Bill Coleman via CnC-List < cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > Like they say, money talks and bullshit walks – > > Eg, whomever has a deposit on the boat is first in line, in anything I > have ever dealt with. > > > > Bill Coleman > > C 39 Erie, PA > > > > Honestly, I would not let the seller peddle your offer to the other > buyer. Tell seller if he accepts your offer you expect to hold him to it. > If he feels he needs to give other buyer a last shot, he should say to him, > sign a contract or I am moving on to next in line... > > Bill Walker > -- > > On Friday, April 19, 2019 Gary Russell via CnC-List > wrote: > > Hi Shawn, > > The 35 Mk II is a fantastic boat (I owned one), but purchasing > without a survey is quite risky. You seem to understand that, so I won't > belabor the point. > > > > Dennis is right (usually is), the tabbing of the forward bulkhead can > be an issue, but is not particularly difficult or expensive to fix. Mine > was broken, but I fixed it myself and never had any more problems. I would > be more concerned about the balsa coring in the deck. Without the proper > tools (moisture meter), I don't know how you are going to check for that. > You can tap on the deck with the handle of a screwdriver, listening for the > softer sound, but without experience, I'm not sure how successful you will > be. Do you have access to the mechanical inspection? Replacing the engine > or transmission for whatever reason can be very expensive. Should at least > do an oil analysis of the engine and transmission as well as a compression > check of the engine. Are you experienced enough to evaluate the condition > of the sails. Even if they don't have rips or holes in them, it doesn't > mean they are not all bagged out and useless. A decent main sail might > cost you $3-4K. The reality is there are many things that can go wrong > with a sailboat that seem simple but cost a lot to fix. I'm not trying to > be negative, just realistic. If you get a good 35 Mk II, you will really > enjoy a wonderful sailing boat. > > > > Best of luck, > > Gary > > S/V Kaylarah > > '90 C 37+ > > East Greenwich, RI, USA > > ~~~_/)~~ > > > > > > On Fri, Apr 19, 2019 at 3:49 PM Dennis C. via CnC-List < > cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > > Look at all the bulkhead/hull tabbing in the fore section. Forward of the > head and hanging locker. > > > > Dennis C. > > Touché 35-1 #83 > > Mandeville, LA > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Apr 19, 2019, at 2:39 PM, Shawn Wright via CnC-List < > cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > > I'm happy to report that we have agreed on a price, subject to a sea trial > and survey. Unfortunately, there are no surveyors able to conduct a survey > for 3-4 weeks, so we may consider foregoing that and instead do a very > thorough inspection of the boat myself, followed by a haulout inspection in > a few weeks. > > > > The situation is a bit unusual: the seller has done a sea trial with > another buyer, and the buyer paid for a mechanical inspection, and has a > survey booked in 2 weeks. But that buyer has not made a formal offer (not > sure why the seller didn't insist on this). The buyer has been "waffling", > and the seller doesn't seem confident he will complete, so he is inclined > to accept an offer from us
Re: Stus-List 35 Mk2 sea trial tomorrow - newbie advice needed
In my conversation with the previous owner of 30+ years, he explained that he retabbed with epoxy all the bulkheads (the one forward of the galley was the worst), removed the rotted oak mast step and replaced with concrete+SS rebar, removed every through hole in the deck and filled/drilled with epoxy, and drilled holes every 1.5" in soggy core around the mast opening, dried for a month in the summer, then filled with epoxy, and through-bolted the mast shoe which was previously just lag bolted, with core unsealed around the mast. He had the boat hauled out for a year in 2003 for all of this work at his house. I believe he did a pretty good job, as there is no sign at all of any of this work on the outer decks - they look better than most boats I have seen. He did say that there was no soft/wet core around the chainplates at that time, but a recent inspection by a "surveyor in training" (at request of current owner) revealed some minor delamination at the chain plate area, so I suspect they have since begun to leak and penetrate the core. The previous owner spent over an hour going through the work he did in great detail, and he showed obvious pride in the work, so this gives me a bit of comfort. Although some of the work he did was not always pretty (by his admission) he always wanted to make sure it was better than new. That the engine installed in 1995 (used VW engine) and later rebuilt in 2003, is still running well is a sign that he seems to know what he's doing. I asked him about the extra long prop shaft, and he confirmed that it was to give clearance for the larger prop (he went from 7/8" shaft/2 blade folding prop to 1" shaft/3 blade fixed prop), but that there were no vibration issues, and it has been this way since 2003. I'll check for vibration tomorrow when we take her out. Thanks! On Fri, Apr 19, 2019 at 12:49 PM Dennis C. via CnC-List < cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > Look at all the bulkhead/hull tabbing in the fore section. Forward of the > head and hanging locker. > > Dennis C. > Touché 35-1 #83 > Mandeville, LA > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Apr 19, 2019, at 2:39 PM, Shawn Wright via CnC-List < > cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > > I'm happy to report that we have agreed on a price, subject to a sea trial > and survey. Unfortunately, there are no surveyors able to conduct a survey > for 3-4 weeks, so we may consider foregoing that and instead do a very > thorough inspection of the boat myself, followed by a haulout inspection in > a few weeks. > > The situation is a bit unusual: the seller has done a sea trial with > another buyer, and the buyer paid for a mechanical inspection, and has a > survey booked in 2 weeks. But that buyer has not made a formal offer (not > sure why the seller didn't insist on this). The buyer has been "waffling", > and the seller doesn't seem confident he will complete, so he is inclined > to accept an offer from us subject to a final haulout inspection by myself, > and then tell the other party he has an accepted offer. It's still possible > the other party will counter with a higher offer. We will not go any > higher, and I'm already a bit uncomfortable foregoing a survey, since we'll > need one a year from now to renew the insurance (we can use a 4 year old > survey for another year). That old survey showed no issues at all with the > boat, including electrical and propane, two areas that are usually a > problem. As I said, a very unusual situation, but I think the seller is a > solid guy, although I do question his selling practices - I wouldn't have > gone this far without an offer from the other guy, and I wouldn't squeeze > the other guy out, since I know what that feels like... it's already > happened to us once. > > Anyway, looking forward to the sea trial tomorrow. This will be the chance > to see/hear the engine run, and get comfortable with the sails and rigging. > Appreciate any tips for things to watch for. > > And I'm fully expecting a few people to call me crazy, so don't sugar coat > it... I am still prepared to walk away if I get a bad feeling at any time. > > > -- > Shawn Wright > shawngwri...@gmail.com > > ___ > > Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each > and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - > use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray > > ___ > > Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each > and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - > use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray > > -- Shawn Wright shawngwri...@gmail.com ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution --
Re: Stus-List 35 Mk2 sea trial tomorrow - newbie advice needed
Like they say, money talks and bullshit walks – Eg, whomever has a deposit on the boat is first in line, in anything I have ever dealt with. Bill Coleman C 39 Erie, PA Honestly, I would not let the seller peddle your offer to the other buyer. Tell seller if he accepts your offer you expect to hold him to it. If he feels he needs to give other buyer a last shot, he should say to him, sign a contract or I am moving on to next in line... Bill Walker _ On Friday, April 19, 2019 Gary Russell via CnC-List wrote: Hi Shawn, The 35 Mk II is a fantastic boat (I owned one), but purchasing without a survey is quite risky. You seem to understand that, so I won't belabor the point. Dennis is right (usually is), the tabbing of the forward bulkhead can be an issue, but is not particularly difficult or expensive to fix. Mine was broken, but I fixed it myself and never had any more problems. I would be more concerned about the balsa coring in the deck. Without the proper tools (moisture meter), I don't know how you are going to check for that. You can tap on the deck with the handle of a screwdriver, listening for the softer sound, but without experience, I'm not sure how successful you will be. Do you have access to the mechanical inspection? Replacing the engine or transmission for whatever reason can be very expensive. Should at least do an oil analysis of the engine and transmission as well as a compression check of the engine. Are you experienced enough to evaluate the condition of the sails. Even if they don't have rips or holes in them, it doesn't mean they are not all bagged out and useless. A decent main sail might cost you $3-4K. The reality is there are many things that can go wrong with a sailboat that seem simple but cost a lot to fix. I'm not trying to be negative, just realistic. If you get a good 35 Mk II, you will really enjoy a wonderful sailing boat. Best of luck, Gary S/V Kaylarah '90 C 37+ East Greenwich, RI, USA ~~~_/)~~ On Fri, Apr 19, 2019 at 3:49 PM Dennis C. via CnC-List wrote: Look at all the bulkhead/hull tabbing in the fore section. Forward of the head and hanging locker. Dennis C. Touché 35-1 #83 Mandeville, LA Sent from my iPhone On Apr 19, 2019, at 2:39 PM, Shawn Wright via CnC-List wrote: I'm happy to report that we have agreed on a price, subject to a sea trial and survey. Unfortunately, there are no surveyors able to conduct a survey for 3-4 weeks, so we may consider foregoing that and instead do a very thorough inspection of the boat myself, followed by a haulout inspection in a few weeks. The situation is a bit unusual: the seller has done a sea trial with another buyer, and the buyer paid for a mechanical inspection, and has a survey booked in 2 weeks. But that buyer has not made a formal offer (not sure why the seller didn't insist on this). The buyer has been "waffling", and the seller doesn't seem confident he will complete, so he is inclined to accept an offer from us subject to a final haulout inspection by myself, and then tell the other party he has an accepted offer. It's still possible the other party will counter with a higher offer. We will not go any higher, and I'm already a bit uncomfortable foregoing a survey, since we'll need one a year from now to renew the insurance (we can use a 4 year old survey for another year). That old survey showed no issues at all with the boat, including electrical and propane, two areas that are usually a problem. As I said, a very unusual situation, but I think the seller is a solid guy, although I do question his selling practices - I wouldn't have gone this far without an offer from the other guy, and I wouldn't squeeze the other guy out, since I know what that feels like... it's already happened to us once. Anyway, looking forward to the sea trial tomorrow. This will be the chance to see/hear the engine run, and get comfortable with the sails and rigging. Appreciate any tips for things to watch for. And I'm fully expecting a few people to call me crazy, so don't sugar coat it... I am still prepared to walk away if I get a bad feeling at any time. -- Shawn Wright shawngwri...@gmail.com ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you
Re: Stus-List 35 Mk2 sea trial tomorrow - newbie advice needed
Honestly, I would not let the seller peddle your offer to the other buyer. Tell seller if he accepts your offer you expect to hold him to it. If he feels he needs to give other buyer a last shot, he should say to him, sign a contract or I am moving on to next in line... Bill Walker On Friday, April 19, 2019 Gary Russell via CnC-List wrote: Hi Shawn, The 35 Mk II is a fantastic boat (I owned one), but purchasing without a survey is quite risky. You seem to understand that, so I won't belabor the point. Dennis is right (usually is), the tabbing of the forward bulkhead can be an issue, but is not particularly difficult or expensive to fix. Mine was broken, but I fixed it myself and never had any more problems. I would be more concerned about the balsa coring in the deck. Without the proper tools (moisture meter), I don't know how you are going to check for that. You can tap on the deck with the handle of a screwdriver, listening for the softer sound, but without experience, I'm not sure how successful you will be. Do you have access to the mechanical inspection? Replacing the engine or transmission for whatever reason can be very expensive. Should at least do an oil analysis of the engine and transmission as well as a compression check of the engine. Are you experienced enough to evaluate the condition of the sails. Even if they don't have rips or holes in them, it doesn't mean they are not all bagged out and useless. A decent main sail might cost you $3-4K. The reality is there are many things that can go wrong with a sailboat that seem simple but cost a lot to fix. I'm not trying to be negative, just realistic. If you get a good 35 Mk II, you will really enjoy a wonderful sailing boat. Best of luck,GaryS/V Kaylarah'90 C 37+East Greenwich, RI, USA ~~~_/)~~ On Fri, Apr 19, 2019 at 3:49 PM Dennis C. via CnC-List wrote: Look at all the bulkhead/hull tabbing in the fore section. Forward of the head and hanging locker. Dennis C. Touché 35-1 #83Mandeville, LA Sent from my iPhone On Apr 19, 2019, at 2:39 PM, Shawn Wright via CnC-List wrote: I'm happy to report that we have agreed on a price, subject to a sea trial and survey. Unfortunately, there are no surveyors able to conduct a survey for 3-4 weeks, so we may consider foregoing that and instead do a very thorough inspection of the boat myself, followed by a haulout inspection in a few weeks. The situation is a bit unusual: the seller has done a sea trial with another buyer, and the buyer paid for a mechanical inspection, and has a survey booked in 2 weeks. But that buyer has not made a formal offer (not sure why the seller didn't insist on this). The buyer has been "waffling", and the seller doesn't seem confident he will complete, so he is inclined to accept an offer from us subject to a final haulout inspection by myself, and then tell the other party he has an accepted offer. It's still possible the other party will counter with a higher offer. We will not go any higher, and I'm already a bit uncomfortable foregoing a survey, since we'll need one a year from now to renew the insurance (we can use a 4 year old survey for another year). That old survey showed no issues at all with the boat, including electrical and propane, two areas that are usually a problem. As I said, a very unusual situation, but I think the seller is a solid guy, although I do question his selling practices - I wouldn't have gone this far without an offer from the other guy, and I wouldn't squeeze the other guy out, since I know what that feels like... it's already happened to us once. Anyway, looking forward to the sea trial tomorrow. This will be the chance to see/hear the engine run, and get comfortable with the sails and rigging. Appreciate any tips for things to watch for. And I'm fully expecting a few people to call me crazy, so don't sugar coat it... I am still prepared to walk away if I get a bad feeling at any time. -- Shawn wrightshawngwri...@gmail.com ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly
Re: Stus-List 35 Mk2 sea trial tomorrow - newbie advice needed
Hi Shawn, The 35 Mk II is a fantastic boat (I owned one), but purchasing without a survey is quite risky. You seem to understand that, so I won't belabor the point. Dennis is right (usually is), the tabbing of the forward bulkhead can be an issue, but is not particularly difficult or expensive to fix. Mine was broken, but I fixed it myself and never had any more problems. I would be more concerned about the balsa coring in the deck. Without the proper tools (moisture meter), I don't know how you are going to check for that. You can tap on the deck with the handle of a screwdriver, listening for the softer sound, but without experience, I'm not sure how successful you will be. Do you have access to the mechanical inspection? Replacing the engine or transmission for whatever reason can be very expensive. Should at least do an oil analysis of the engine and transmission as well as a compression check of the engine. Are you experienced enough to evaluate the condition of the sails. Even if they don't have rips or holes in them, it doesn't mean they are not all bagged out and useless. A decent main sail might cost you $3-4K. The reality is there are many things that can go wrong with a sailboat that seem simple but cost a lot to fix. I'm not trying to be negative, just realistic. If you get a good 35 Mk II, you will really enjoy a wonderful sailing boat. Best of luck, Gary S/V Kaylarah '90 C 37+ East Greenwich, RI, USA ~~~_/)~~ On Fri, Apr 19, 2019 at 3:49 PM Dennis C. via CnC-List < cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > Look at all the bulkhead/hull tabbing in the fore section. Forward of the > head and hanging locker. > > Dennis C. > Touché 35-1 #83 > Mandeville, LA > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Apr 19, 2019, at 2:39 PM, Shawn Wright via CnC-List < > cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > > I'm happy to report that we have agreed on a price, subject to a sea trial > and survey. Unfortunately, there are no surveyors able to conduct a survey > for 3-4 weeks, so we may consider foregoing that and instead do a very > thorough inspection of the boat myself, followed by a haulout inspection in > a few weeks. > > The situation is a bit unusual: the seller has done a sea trial with > another buyer, and the buyer paid for a mechanical inspection, and has a > survey booked in 2 weeks. But that buyer has not made a formal offer (not > sure why the seller didn't insist on this). The buyer has been "waffling", > and the seller doesn't seem confident he will complete, so he is inclined > to accept an offer from us subject to a final haulout inspection by myself, > and then tell the other party he has an accepted offer. It's still possible > the other party will counter with a higher offer. We will not go any > higher, and I'm already a bit uncomfortable foregoing a survey, since we'll > need one a year from now to renew the insurance (we can use a 4 year old > survey for another year). That old survey showed no issues at all with the > boat, including electrical and propane, two areas that are usually a > problem. As I said, a very unusual situation, but I think the seller is a > solid guy, although I do question his selling practices - I wouldn't have > gone this far without an offer from the other guy, and I wouldn't squeeze > the other guy out, since I know what that feels like... it's already > happened to us once. > > Anyway, looking forward to the sea trial tomorrow. This will be the chance > to see/hear the engine run, and get comfortable with the sails and rigging. > Appreciate any tips for things to watch for. > > And I'm fully expecting a few people to call me crazy, so don't sugar coat > it... I am still prepared to walk away if I get a bad feeling at any time. > > > -- > Shawn Wright > shawngwri...@gmail.com > > ___ > > Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each > and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - > use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray > > ___ > > Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each > and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - > use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray > > ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
Re: Stus-List 35 Mk2 sea trial tomorrow - newbie advice needed
Look at all the bulkhead/hull tabbing in the fore section. Forward of the head and hanging locker. Dennis C. Touché 35-1 #83 Mandeville, LA Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 19, 2019, at 2:39 PM, Shawn Wright via CnC-List > wrote: > > I'm happy to report that we have agreed on a price, subject to a sea trial > and survey. Unfortunately, there are no surveyors able to conduct a survey > for 3-4 weeks, so we may consider foregoing that and instead do a very > thorough inspection of the boat myself, followed by a haulout inspection in a > few weeks. > > The situation is a bit unusual: the seller has done a sea trial with another > buyer, and the buyer paid for a mechanical inspection, and has a survey > booked in 2 weeks. But that buyer has not made a formal offer (not sure why > the seller didn't insist on this). The buyer has been "waffling", and the > seller doesn't seem confident he will complete, so he is inclined to accept > an offer from us subject to a final haulout inspection by myself, and then > tell the other party he has an accepted offer. It's still possible the other > party will counter with a higher offer. We will not go any higher, and I'm > already a bit uncomfortable foregoing a survey, since we'll need one a year > from now to renew the insurance (we can use a 4 year old survey for another > year). That old survey showed no issues at all with the boat, including > electrical and propane, two areas that are usually a problem. As I said, a > very unusual situation, but I think the seller is a solid guy, although I do > question his selling practices - I wouldn't have gone this far without an > offer from the other guy, and I wouldn't squeeze the other guy out, since I > know what that feels like... it's already happened to us once. > > Anyway, looking forward to the sea trial tomorrow. This will be the chance to > see/hear the engine run, and get comfortable with the sails and rigging. > Appreciate any tips for things to watch for. > > And I'm fully expecting a few people to call me crazy, so don't sugar coat > it... I am still prepared to walk away if I get a bad feeling at any time. > > > -- > Shawn Wright > shawngwri...@gmail.com > ___ > > Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and > every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use > PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray > ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
Stus-List 35 Mk2 sea trial tomorrow - newbie advice needed
I'm happy to report that we have agreed on a price, subject to a sea trial and survey. Unfortunately, there are no surveyors able to conduct a survey for 3-4 weeks, so we may consider foregoing that and instead do a very thorough inspection of the boat myself, followed by a haulout inspection in a few weeks. The situation is a bit unusual: the seller has done a sea trial with another buyer, and the buyer paid for a mechanical inspection, and has a survey booked in 2 weeks. But that buyer has not made a formal offer (not sure why the seller didn't insist on this). The buyer has been "waffling", and the seller doesn't seem confident he will complete, so he is inclined to accept an offer from us subject to a final haulout inspection by myself, and then tell the other party he has an accepted offer. It's still possible the other party will counter with a higher offer. We will not go any higher, and I'm already a bit uncomfortable foregoing a survey, since we'll need one a year from now to renew the insurance (we can use a 4 year old survey for another year). That old survey showed no issues at all with the boat, including electrical and propane, two areas that are usually a problem. As I said, a very unusual situation, but I think the seller is a solid guy, although I do question his selling practices - I wouldn't have gone this far without an offer from the other guy, and I wouldn't squeeze the other guy out, since I know what that feels like... it's already happened to us once. Anyway, looking forward to the sea trial tomorrow. This will be the chance to see/hear the engine run, and get comfortable with the sails and rigging. Appreciate any tips for things to watch for. And I'm fully expecting a few people to call me crazy, so don't sugar coat it... I am still prepared to walk away if I get a bad feeling at any time. -- Shawn Wright shawngwri...@gmail.com ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
