Re: Stus-List Adding cover to line

[Morgan Ellis via CnC-List]

whipping...

LOL, pardon the auto-misspelling app!

"The beatings shall continue, until morale improves"

On Wed, 26 Jun 2019 at 14:23, Rod Stright via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Locking wiping, whipping?
>
>
>
> *From:* CnC-List  *On Behalf Of *Morgan
> Ellis via CnC-List
> *Sent:* June-26-19 3:04 PM
> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> *Cc:* Morgan Ellis 
> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Adding cover to line
>
>
>
> The C 115 that I used to crew on had the same issue, tried smaller jaws
> in the clutch, which helped but not much. In the end, what worked was
> adding the second core to the 5' of halyard where the clutch needs to grab.
> On that boat, we also removed some core from the tail end of the halyard,
> which made feeding thru clutches easier. If you are doing this remember to
> add some locking wiping to keep everything in place. On the J35 I race on
> now we actually added a second clutch inline for the main and jib halyards,
> this helps but when it is really blowing we still take the halyards to a
> horn cleat as well (but no locking turn).
>
>
>
> Morgan Ellis
>
> S/V Meandher 30-2 #140
>
> Thunder Bay, ON
>
>
>
> On Wed, 26 Jun 2019 at 08:36, Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> Another thought is a horn or cam cleat aft of the clutches.  J boats all
> have cam cleats.  Our Frers has a horn cleat.  On windy days our main and
> jib halyards will slip if this is not used.  On the C 115 we would lose 2
> feet of hoist on main if we did not tie off the halyard somehow.
>
>
>
> Mike
>
> Persistence
>
> Halifax
>
>
>
> *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *Chuck
> Gilchrest via CnC-List
> *Sent:* Tuesday, June 25, 2019 6:24 PM
> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> *Cc:* Chuck Gilchrest
> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Adding cover to line
>
>
>
> Before you bulk up your Halyards or change to a rope with a more
> aggressive cover, it would be good to know if the high tech but slippery
> halyard line is:
>
> A. New to the boat?
>
> B. If yes to the above, is it properly sized for the clutch?
>
> C. If old, is there visible wear on the cover or signs of non-recoverable
> compression where the clutch holds the rope? Try end for ending the halyard
> to move the wear area to a different spot.  If wear seems excessive,
> replace the halyard before it comes apart under load.
>
> D. Are the clutch teeth worn?  Depending on the brand of clutch, rebuild
> kits can be sourced.  If nothing else has changed on the boat and the
> halyard has just started slipping, this is the usual culprit.
>
>
>
> Chuck Gilchrest
>
> S/V HalfMagic
>
> 1983 35 LF
>
> Padanaram, MA
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
> On Jun 25, 2019, at 12:24 PM, WILLIAM WALKER via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> I have hi tech low stretch but slippery halyard which my clutches just
> won't hold.  Thinking of adding another cover at the point where they pass
> through clutch.
> Any thoughts or solutions beyond replacing clutches or halyards.  now I
> take to a cleat, but cumbersome as I have both on same side with a single
> winch and when remove from winch get a little slip before can cleat off..
> Bill Walker
> CnC 36
> Evening Star
> Pentwater, Mi.
>
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Re: Stus-List Adding cover to line

[Rod Stright via CnC-List]

Locking wiping, whipping?



From: CnC-List  On Behalf Of Morgan Ellis via 
CnC-List
Sent: June-26-19 3:04 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Morgan Ellis 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Adding cover to line



The C 115 that I used to crew on had the same issue, tried smaller jaws in 
the clutch, which helped but not much. In the end, what worked was adding the 
second core to the 5' of halyard where the clutch needs to grab. On that boat, 
we also removed some core from the tail end of the halyard, which made feeding 
thru clutches easier. If you are doing this remember to add some locking wiping 
to keep everything in place. On the J35 I race on now we actually added a 
second clutch inline for the main and jib halyards, this helps but when it is 
really blowing we still take the halyards to a horn cleat as well (but no 
locking turn).



Morgan Ellis

S/V Meandher 30-2 #140

Thunder Bay, ON



On Wed, 26 Jun 2019 at 08:36, Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote:

Another thought is a horn or cam cleat aft of the clutches.  J boats all have 
cam cleats.  Our Frers has a horn cleat.  On windy days our main and jib 
halyards will slip if this is not used.  On the C 115 we would lose 2 feet of 
hoist on main if we did not tie off the halyard somehow.



Mike

Persistence

Halifax



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Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2019 6:24 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
Cc: Chuck Gilchrest
Subject: Re: Stus-List Adding cover to line



Before you bulk up your Halyards or change to a rope with a more aggressive 
cover, it would be good to know if the high tech but slippery halyard line is:

A. New to the boat?

B. If yes to the above, is it properly sized for the clutch?

C. If old, is there visible wear on the cover or signs of non-recoverable 
compression where the clutch holds the rope? Try end for ending the halyard to 
move the wear area to a different spot.  If wear seems excessive, replace the 
halyard before it comes apart under load.

D. Are the clutch teeth worn?  Depending on the brand of clutch, rebuild kits 
can be sourced.  If nothing else has changed on the boat and the halyard has 
just started slipping, this is the usual culprit.



Chuck Gilchrest

S/V HalfMagic

1983 35 LF

Padanaram, MA

Sent from my iPhone


On Jun 25, 2019, at 12:24 PM, WILLIAM WALKER via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote:

I have hi tech low stretch but slippery halyard which my clutches just won't 
hold.  Thinking of adding another cover at the point where they pass through 
clutch.
Any thoughts or solutions beyond replacing clutches or halyards.  now I take to 
a cleat, but cumbersome as I have both on same side with a single winch and 
when remove from winch get a little slip before can cleat off..
Bill Walker
CnC 36
Evening Star
Pentwater, Mi.

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Re: Stus-List Adding cover to line

[Morgan Ellis via CnC-List]

The C 115 that I used to crew on had the same issue, tried smaller jaws
in the clutch, which helped but not much. In the end, what worked was
adding the second core to the 5' of halyard where the clutch needs to grab.
On that boat, we also removed some core from the tail end of the halyard,
which made feeding thru clutches easier. If you are doing this remember to
add some locking wiping to keep everything in place. On the J35 I race on
now we actually added a second clutch inline for the main and jib halyards,
this helps but when it is really blowing we still take the halyards to a
horn cleat as well (but no locking turn).

Morgan Ellis
S/V Meandher 30-2 #140
Thunder Bay, ON

On Wed, 26 Jun 2019 at 08:36, Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List 
wrote:

> Another thought is a horn or cam cleat aft of the clutches.  J boats all
> have cam cleats.  Our Frers has a horn cleat.  On windy days our main and
> jib halyards will slip if this is not used.  On the C 115 we would lose 2
> feet of hoist on main if we did not tie off the halyard somehow.
>
>
>
> Mike
>
> Persistence
>
> Halifax
>
>
>
> *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *Chuck
> Gilchrest via CnC-List
> *Sent:* Tuesday, June 25, 2019 6:24 PM
> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> *Cc:* Chuck Gilchrest
> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Adding cover to line
>
>
>
> Before you bulk up your Halyards or change to a rope with a more
> aggressive cover, it would be good to know if the high tech but slippery
> halyard line is:
>
> A. New to the boat?
>
> B. If yes to the above, is it properly sized for the clutch?
>
> C. If old, is there visible wear on the cover or signs of non-recoverable
> compression where the clutch holds the rope? Try end for ending the halyard
> to move the wear area to a different spot.  If wear seems excessive,
> replace the halyard before it comes apart under load.
>
> D. Are the clutch teeth worn?  Depending on the brand of clutch, rebuild
> kits can be sourced.  If nothing else has changed on the boat and the
> halyard has just started slipping, this is the usual culprit.
>
>
>
> Chuck Gilchrest
>
> S/V HalfMagic
>
> 1983 35 LF
>
> Padanaram, MA
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
> On Jun 25, 2019, at 12:24 PM, WILLIAM WALKER via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> I have hi tech low stretch but slippery halyard which my clutches just
> won't hold.  Thinking of adding another cover at the point where they pass
> through clutch.
> Any thoughts or solutions beyond replacing clutches or halyards.  now I
> take to a cleat, but cumbersome as I have both on same side with a single
> winch and when remove from winch get a little slip before can cleat off..
> Bill Walker
> CnC 36
> Evening Star
> Pentwater, Mi.
>
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Re: Stus-List Adding cover to line

[Alan Liles via CnC-List]

When I upgraded the halyards to dyneema, the clutches (Lewmar) slipped quite a 
bit before they would grab. I cleaned and lubed the mechanism inside the clutch 
and it worked much better. 

Cheers, Al

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Re: Stus-List Adding cover to line

[Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List]

Another thought is a horn or cam cleat aft of the clutches.  J boats all have 
cam cleats.  Our Frers has a horn cleat.  On windy days our main and jib 
halyards will slip if this is not used.  On the C 115 we would lose 2 feet of 
hoist on main if we did not tie off the halyard somehow.

Mike
Persistence
Halifax

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Chuck 
Gilchrest via CnC-List
Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2019 6:24 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Chuck Gilchrest
Subject: Re: Stus-List Adding cover to line

Before you bulk up your Halyards or change to a rope with a more aggressive 
cover, it would be good to know if the high tech but slippery halyard line is:
A. New to the boat?
B. If yes to the above, is it properly sized for the clutch?
C. If old, is there visible wear on the cover or signs of non-recoverable 
compression where the clutch holds the rope? Try end for ending the halyard to 
move the wear area to a different spot.  If wear seems excessive, replace the 
halyard before it comes apart under load.
D. Are the clutch teeth worn?  Depending on the brand of clutch, rebuild kits 
can be sourced.  If nothing else has changed on the boat and the halyard has 
just started slipping, this is the usual culprit.

Chuck Gilchrest
S/V HalfMagic
1983 35 LF
Padanaram, MA
Sent from my iPhone

On Jun 25, 2019, at 12:24 PM, WILLIAM WALKER via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:

I have hi tech low stretch but slippery halyard which my clutches just won't 
hold.  Thinking of adding another cover at the point where they pass through 
clutch.
Any thoughts or solutions beyond replacing clutches or halyards.  now I take to 
a cleat, but cumbersome as I have both on same side with a single winch and 
when remove from winch get a little slip before can cleat off..
Bill Walker
CnC 36
Evening Star
Pentwater, Mi.
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Re: Stus-List Adding cover to line

[Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List]

Another thought is a horn or cam cleat aft of the clutches.  J boats all have 
cam cleats.  Our Frers has a horn cleat.  On windy days our main and jib 
halyards will slip if this is not used.  On the C 115 we would lose 2 feet of 
hoist on main if we did not tie off the halyard somehow.

Mike
Persistence
Halifax

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Chuck 
Gilchrest via CnC-List
Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2019 6:24 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Chuck Gilchrest
Subject: Re: Stus-List Adding cover to line

Before you bulk up your Halyards or change to a rope with a more aggressive 
cover, it would be good to know if the high tech but slippery halyard line is:
A. New to the boat?
B. If yes to the above, is it properly sized for the clutch?
C. If old, is there visible wear on the cover or signs of non-recoverable 
compression where the clutch holds the rope? Try end for ending the halyard to 
move the wear area to a different spot.  If wear seems excessive, replace the 
halyard before it comes apart under load.
D. Are the clutch teeth worn?  Depending on the brand of clutch, rebuild kits 
can be sourced.  If nothing else has changed on the boat and the halyard has 
just started slipping, this is the usual culprit.

Chuck Gilchrest
S/V HalfMagic
1983 35 LF
Padanaram, MA
Sent from my iPhone

On Jun 25, 2019, at 12:24 PM, WILLIAM WALKER via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:

I have hi tech low stretch but slippery halyard which my clutches just won't 
hold.  Thinking of adding another cover at the point where they pass through 
clutch.
Any thoughts or solutions beyond replacing clutches or halyards.  now I take to 
a cleat, but cumbersome as I have both on same side with a single winch and 
when remove from winch get a little slip before can cleat off..
Bill Walker
CnC 36
Evening Star
Pentwater, Mi.
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Re: Stus-List Adding cover to line

[WILLIAM WALKER via CnC-List]

Thanks all, as always, good advice.
Bill Walker
On Tuesday, June 25, 2019 Michael Brannon via CnC-List  
wrote:
Bill,  if none of the  Chuck’s items apply, I’d milk in additional core to bulk 
up the line rather than add cover.    I did that on my boat and it helps.   I’m 
using 3/8” endura braid for my halyards and have spin lock rope clutches.    
Also some of the less expensive rope clutches do not hold as well as the more 
expensive of the same brand.   
Mikel BrannonVirginia Lee 93295C 36 CBVirginia Beach, VA



On Jun 25, 2019, at 5:24 PM, Chuck Gilchrest via CnC-List 
 wrote:

Before you bulk up your Halyards or change to a rope with a more aggressive 
cover, it would be good to know if the high tech but slippery halyard line 
is:A. New to the boat?B. If yes to the above, is it properly sized for the 
clutch?C. If old, is there visible wear on the cover or signs of 
non-recoverable compression where the clutch holds the rope? Try end for ending 
the halyard to move the wear area to a different spot.  If wear seems 
excessive, replace the halyard before it comes apart under load.D. Are the 
clutch teeth worn?  Depending on the brand of clutch, rebuild kits can be 
sourced.  If nothing else has changed on the boat and the halyard has just 
started slipping, this is the usual culprit.
Chuck Gilchrest S/V HalfMagic1983 35 LFPadanaram, MA

Sent from my iPhone
On Jun 25, 2019, at 12:24 PM, WILLIAM WALKER via CnC-List 
 wrote:



I have hi tech low stretch but slippery halyard which my clutches just won't 
hold.  Thinking of adding another cover at the point where they pass through 
clutch.
Any thoughts or solutions beyond replacing clutches or halyards.  now I take to 
a cleat, but cumbersome as I have both on same side with a single winch and 
when remove from winch get a little slip before can cleat off..
Bill Walker
CnC 36
Evening Star
Pentwater, Mi.


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Re: Stus-List Adding cover to line

[Michael Brannon via CnC-List]

Bill,  if none of the  Chuck’s items apply, I’d milk in additional core to bulk 
up the line rather than add cover.I did that on my boat and it helps.   I’m 
using 3/8” endura braid for my halyards and have spin lock rope clutches.
Also some of the less expensive rope clutches do not hold as well as the more 
expensive of the same brand.   

Mikel Brannon
Virginia Lee 93295
C 36 CB
Virginia Beach, VA



> On Jun 25, 2019, at 5:24 PM, Chuck Gilchrest via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> Before you bulk up your Halyards or change to a rope with a more aggressive 
> cover, it would be good to know if the high tech but slippery halyard line is:
> A. New to the boat?
> B. If yes to the above, is it properly sized for the clutch?
> C. If old, is there visible wear on the cover or signs of non-recoverable 
> compression where the clutch holds the rope? Try end for ending the halyard 
> to move the wear area to a different spot.  If wear seems excessive, replace 
> the halyard before it comes apart under load.
> D. Are the clutch teeth worn?  Depending on the brand of clutch, rebuild kits 
> can be sourced.  If nothing else has changed on the boat and the halyard has 
> just started slipping, this is the usual culprit.
> 
> Chuck Gilchrest 
> S/V HalfMagic
> 1983 35 LF
> Padanaram, MA
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Jun 25, 2019, at 12:24 PM, WILLIAM WALKER via CnC-List 
> mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
> 
>> I have hi tech low stretch but slippery halyard which my clutches just won't 
>> hold.  Thinking of adding another cover at the point where they pass through 
>> clutch.
>> Any thoughts or solutions beyond replacing clutches or halyards.  now I take 
>> to a cleat, but cumbersome as I have both on same side with a single winch 
>> and when remove from winch get a little slip before can cleat off..
>> Bill Walker
>> CnC 36
>> Evening Star
>> Pentwater, Mi.
>> 
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Re: Stus-List Adding cover to line

[Chuck Gilchrest via CnC-List]

Before you bulk up your Halyards or change to a rope with a more aggressive 
cover, it would be good to know if the high tech but slippery halyard line is:
A. New to the boat?
B. If yes to the above, is it properly sized for the clutch?
C. If old, is there visible wear on the cover or signs of non-recoverable 
compression where the clutch holds the rope? Try end for ending the halyard to 
move the wear area to a different spot.  If wear seems excessive, replace the 
halyard before it comes apart under load.
D. Are the clutch teeth worn?  Depending on the brand of clutch, rebuild kits 
can be sourced.  If nothing else has changed on the boat and the halyard has 
just started slipping, this is the usual culprit.

Chuck Gilchrest 
S/V HalfMagic
1983 35 LF
Padanaram, MA

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 25, 2019, at 12:24 PM, WILLIAM WALKER via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> I have hi tech low stretch but slippery halyard which my clutches just won't 
> hold.  Thinking of adding another cover at the point where they pass through 
> clutch.
> Any thoughts or solutions beyond replacing clutches or halyards.  now I take 
> to a cleat, but cumbersome as I have both on same side with a single winch 
> and when remove from winch get a little slip before can cleat off..
> Bill Walker
> CnC 36
> Evening Star
> Pentwater, Mi.
> 
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Re: Stus-List Adding cover to line

[Lee Youngblood via CnC-List]

Hi Bill,

Talk to a local rigger.  I found a good rigger on my dock stripping the cover 
off a hi-tech halyard on a race boat.  He explained he always had more cover 
than he needed and sometimes donated it to a friend for dog leashes.  He just 
gave me 40’ of his scraps for free.

May you may find a generous rigger too. . .

2 cents, Lee
s/v Simplicity
Seattle


> On Jun 25, 2019, at 9:24 59AM, WILLIAM WALKER via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> I have hi tech low stretch but slippery halyard which my clutches just won't 
> hold.  Thinking of adding another cover at the point where they pass through 
> clutch.
> Any thoughts or solutions beyond replacing clutches or halyards.  now I take 
> to a cleat, but cumbersome as I have both on same side with a single winch 
> and when remove from winch get a little slip before can cleat off..
> Bill Walker
> CnC 36
> Evening Star
> Pentwater, Mi.
> 
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Re: Stus-List Adding cover to line

[Josh Muckley via CnC-List]

Cover alone is available but you might find that buying cheap sta-set is
more cost effective.  Strip the cover and use the core as small stuff.

http://www.apsltd.com/new-england-ropes-sta-set-line.html

I would do a locked brummel splice and bury the tail using a fid to taper
the cover into the high tech line.

Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C 37+
Solomons, MD



On Tue, Jun 25, 2019, 12:25 PM WILLIAM WALKER via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> I have hi tech low stretch but slippery halyard which my clutches just
> won't hold.  Thinking of adding another cover at the point where they pass
> through clutch.
> Any thoughts or solutions beyond replacing clutches or halyards.  now I
> take to a cleat, but cumbersome as I have both on same side with a single
> winch and when remove from winch get a little slip before can cleat off..
> Bill Walker
> CnC 36
> Evening Star
> Pentwater, Mi.
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On Tue, Jun 25, 2019, 12:25 PM WILLIAM WALKER via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> I have hi tech low stretch but slippery halyard which my clutches just
> won't hold.  Thinking of adding another cover at the point where they pass
> through clutch.
> Any thoughts or solutions beyond replacing clutches or halyards.  now I
> take to a cleat, but cumbersome as I have both on same side with a single
> winch and when remove from winch get a little slip before can cleat off..
> Bill Walker
> CnC 36
> Evening Star
> Pentwater, Mi.
> ___
>
> Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions.  Each
> and every one is greatly appreciated.  If you want to support the list -
> use PayPal to send contribution --   https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
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Stus-List Adding cover to line

[WILLIAM WALKER via CnC-List]

I have hi tech low stretch but slippery halyard which my clutches just won't 
hold.  Thinking of adding another cover at the point where they pass through 
clutch.
Any thoughts or solutions beyond replacing clutches or halyards.  now I take to 
a cleat, but cumbersome as I have both on same side with a single winch and 
when remove from winch get a little slip before can cleat off..
Bill Walker
CnC 36
Evening Star
Pentwater, Mi.
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