Re: Stus-List Boat Selling Tips
As one who has seen the boat on the course, one should look at the racing record Jake has accumulated. It is impressive. He dominated the NS class on the Chesapeake for a number of years. One who may be interested in a good cruiser/racer should jump. Gary Nylander From: CnC-List On Behalf Of Bailey White via CnC-List Sent: Monday, October 21, 2019 4:25 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Bailey White Subject: Re: Stus-List Boat Selling Tips Mike Hoyt has done an admirable job of describing his boats' value but that is not easily done in retrospect. Jake, I don't have much advice for you except some practical questions and thoughts that I hope help: * Is there anyone local who appreciates the boat and has interest or has passed? If people passed, what was the feedback? * Are the advertised ratings for things like the 2012 #1 jib in Excellent condition really true? This seems a little hard to believe given it is 7 years ago but is possible if properly stored and not used. Overall, the boat has many improvements included that cost quite a bit. Might be worth listing how much investment the boat has had as I think that would be a differentiator. My sense reading the ad in Yachtworld is that the boat has been very well cared for and it would cost much more than the $25K asking price to bring up to snuff another boat of its vintage that was neglected and came with old sails ready to be replaced. If that is true, the pictures of sun beaten cordage around the traveler and no shots of the boat sailing with its pristine carbon / kevlar sails could the boat feel much more average that perhaps it really is. Many people these days want either a boat that is more cruising oriented with an aft cabin under the cockpit or a hard core racing boat. You have a great boat that can do both racing and cruising if the right person comes forward. best, Bailey 1979 C&C 36 Lake Lanier, Georgia ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
Re: Stus-List Boat Selling Tips
Mike Hoyt has done an admirable job of describing his boats' value but that is not easily done in retrospect. Jake, I don't have much advice for you except some practical questions and thoughts that I hope help: * Is there anyone local who appreciates the boat and has interest or has passed? If people passed, what was the feedback? * Are the advertised ratings for things like the 2012 #1 jib in Excellent condition really true? This seems a little hard to believe given it is 7 years ago but is possible if properly stored and not used. Overall, the boat has many improvements included that cost quite a bit. Might be worth listing how much investment the boat has had as I think that would be a differentiator. My sense reading the ad in Yachtworld is that the boat has been very well cared for and it would cost much more than the $25K asking price to bring up to snuff another boat of its vintage that was neglected and came with old sails ready to be replaced. If that is true, the pictures of sun beaten cordage around the traveler and no shots of the boat sailing with its pristine carbon / kevlar sails could the boat feel much more average that perhaps it really is. Many people these days want either a boat that is more cruising oriented with an aft cabin under the cockpit or a hard core racing boat. You have a great boat that can do both racing and cruising if the right person comes forward. best, Bailey 1979 C&C 36 Lake Lanier, Georgia ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
Re: Stus-List Boat Selling Tips
Your price is off if no one has looked at it. Steve On Mon, Oct 21, 2019 at 8:54 AM Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List < cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > Hi Jake > > > > One thing I have noticed over the years is that some boat models have a > very specific following. What I think really helps is when someone who > specifically wants a C&C 35-3 to be matched up with your ad listing. By > this I mean when I Google “C&C 35”, “C&C 35-3” or similar a link to your > boat is in the first two to three pages in the search results. > > > > List it in a LOT of places. If possible build your own web site or blog > that shows your boat and the features and improvements that make it more > desirable than similar models and had lots of pictures of these. For an > example if Ronan was for sale (and refitted completed) anyone who had been > following or found the blog would know that it was a great example of a C&C > 37. > > > > I have always had a web site for our boats. Initially our Niagara 26 had > a site that was hosted as part of our Cable/Internet package (for free). > When it was time to sell we modified the web site a little bit but kept all > the project links, etc .. and we listed on Kijiji with a link to the web > site. I listed it in more areas than just Halifax as well. Full Tilt 2 > sold in November and was listed in August. The people that bought the boat > were specifically looking for a Niagara 26 and were considering three (one > in Montreal, ours in Nova Scotia and a third elsewhere in Quebec). Ours > was the most expensive but had more of the features they wanted. > > > > Our next boat was a J/27. From the start it also had its own web site and > was well known to the J/27 community because of the J/27 owners group, the > J/27 Wiki pages links to projects on this web site and other. Googling > J/27 for sale would put this in the top two pages of results. We were > lucky that the Oakville J/27 fleet was growing at that time as well and was > also promoting J/27s. I listed on Kijiji and with my broker. It sold in > less than two weeks and immediately after sold to a buyer from Oakville, > Ontario I had another buyer who wanted it in Philadelphia and a third > interested person that I can no longer remember. All specifically wanted a > J/27 and Nut Case was a very well known J/27. The buyer of the 27 > contacted me directly and we worked out the deal and then the purchase was > made through our broker as had been agreed. > > > > As much exposure as you can get is what helps. We all love our boats and > we have all made specific upgrades / maintenance that should be highlighted > to make our individual boat stand out. > > > > If I were to be interested in your boat it would be because I wanted a C&C > 35-III and not a Landfall 38. Both are good boats but the 35-III is a very > good performing boat and one that I remember from when the model was new > and they had the Labatt’s Challenge in Canada. > > > > We are now on our 4th boat. Persistence. It too has its own web page but > the hosting is no longer free. I believe is $2.99 / month via Blue Host. > The link is below. Sadly our season has just ended and the mast comes down > for the season today > > > > Anyway … > > > > Mike Hoyt > > Persistence > > 1987 Frers 33 #16 > > Halifax, Nova Scotia > > www.hoytsailing.com > > > > > > > > > > > > *From:* CnC-List *On Behalf Of *Jake > Brodersen via CnC-List > *Sent:* October 20, 2019 11:11 AM > *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com > *Cc:* captain_j...@cox.net > *Subject:* Stus-List Boat Selling Tips > > > > *Hi guys,* > > *I’ve been lurking for quite some time, but still have an interest for > this great group. Having purchased a larger cruising boat last year > (Bavaria 44), I have tried for over a year to sell my 1986 C&C Mk-III. I > initially tried to sell it myself. I listed it on Craigslist, advertised > on the FSBO web site (for sale by owner), and spread the word through my > local sailors.* > > *When summer turned to fall and no action, I enlisted a reputable local > broker to list my boat. After listing it on Yacht World for over a year, > we have yet to have a single buyer interested enough to even come take a > look at it. * > > *The boat is well equipped for racing and cruising and comes with a ton of > equipment. I’ve dropped the price over $10K and still no interest. What > does it take to sell a boat these days? Any suggestions would be > appreciated.* > > *Thanks,* > > *Jake Brodersen* > > *1986 C&C 35 Mk-III* > > *“Midnight Mistress”* > > *Hampton VA* > > > __
Re: Stus-List Boat Selling Tips
Hi Jake One thing I have noticed over the years is that some boat models have a very specific following. What I think really helps is when someone who specifically wants a C&C 35-3 to be matched up with your ad listing. By this I mean when I Google “C&C 35”, “C&C 35-3” or similar a link to your boat is in the first two to three pages in the search results. List it in a LOT of places. If possible build your own web site or blog that shows your boat and the features and improvements that make it more desirable than similar models and had lots of pictures of these. For an example if Ronan was for sale (and refitted completed) anyone who had been following or found the blog would know that it was a great example of a C&C 37. I have always had a web site for our boats. Initially our Niagara 26 had a site that was hosted as part of our Cable/Internet package (for free). When it was time to sell we modified the web site a little bit but kept all the project links, etc .. and we listed on Kijiji with a link to the web site. I listed it in more areas than just Halifax as well. Full Tilt 2 sold in November and was listed in August. The people that bought the boat were specifically looking for a Niagara 26 and were considering three (one in Montreal, ours in Nova Scotia and a third elsewhere in Quebec). Ours was the most expensive but had more of the features they wanted. Our next boat was a J/27. From the start it also had its own web site and was well known to the J/27 community because of the J/27 owners group, the J/27 Wiki pages links to projects on this web site and other. Googling J/27 for sale would put this in the top two pages of results. We were lucky that the Oakville J/27 fleet was growing at that time as well and was also promoting J/27s. I listed on Kijiji and with my broker. It sold in less than two weeks and immediately after sold to a buyer from Oakville, Ontario I had another buyer who wanted it in Philadelphia and a third interested person that I can no longer remember. All specifically wanted a J/27 and Nut Case was a very well known J/27. The buyer of the 27 contacted me directly and we worked out the deal and then the purchase was made through our broker as had been agreed. As much exposure as you can get is what helps. We all love our boats and we have all made specific upgrades / maintenance that should be highlighted to make our individual boat stand out. If I were to be interested in your boat it would be because I wanted a C&C 35-III and not a Landfall 38. Both are good boats but the 35-III is a very good performing boat and one that I remember from when the model was new and they had the Labatt’s Challenge in Canada. We are now on our 4th boat. Persistence. It too has its own web page but the hosting is no longer free. I believe is $2.99 / month via Blue Host. The link is below. Sadly our season has just ended and the mast comes down for the season today Anyway … Mike Hoyt Persistence 1987 Frers 33 #16 Halifax, Nova Scotia www.hoytsailing.com<http://www.hoytsailing.com> From: CnC-List On Behalf Of Jake Brodersen via CnC-List Sent: October 20, 2019 11:11 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: captain_j...@cox.net Subject: Stus-List Boat Selling Tips Hi guys, I’ve been lurking for quite some time, but still have an interest for this great group. Having purchased a larger cruising boat last year (Bavaria 44), I have tried for over a year to sell my 1986 C&C Mk-III. I initially tried to sell it myself. I listed it on Craigslist, advertised on the FSBO web site (for sale by owner), and spread the word through my local sailors. When summer turned to fall and no action, I enlisted a reputable local broker to list my boat. After listing it on Yacht World for over a year, we have yet to have a single buyer interested enough to even come take a look at it. The boat is well equipped for racing and cruising and comes with a ton of equipment. I’ve dropped the price over $10K and still no interest. What does it take to sell a boat these days? Any suggestions would be appreciated. Thanks, Jake Brodersen 1986 C&C 35 Mk-III “Midnight Mistress” Hampton VA ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
Re: Stus-List Boat Selling Tips
Jake, Have you gotten any calls at all? If not then your add and/or photos are not working. Was your broker able to give you a sold boats comparison of C&Cs like yours? That week help you know if your pricing is reasonable. If you are getting calls and showings then, there is something with the boat. Do you have maintenance records? When's the last time the rig was serviced/replaced. How old are the sails, life lines, cushions, head hoses etc... clean clean clean. Does it have that gross old boat smell? Scrub the bilge. That really helps. If the boat needs sails & standing rigging you should adjust your price too allow for those or do it yourself and out that in the ad. I replaced sails and standing rigging on a Viking 33 and the cost was almost $6k. I certainly take all this into considering when I've been boat shopping. So many people defer defer defer and then expect high market value. My Viking was clean had new everything, including a new engine and I got high market value in 6 weeks on the market. I sold it myself. I listed everywhere. SailboatOwners, sailboatlistings, sailboatdata, Craigslist, anywhere i could find. I paid some for preferred listings. Take pictures that will show as much of the whole interior spaces as possible. Close ups of the range and locker ands head do nothing to paint an overall picture. Some brokers use fish eye lenses, don't do that. Those photos are awful. I can't stress enough that a clean oder free boat is essential. Keep the boat looking as though you just left not like you've walked away from a foreclosure. Take everything off and leave only the bare essentials and well organised. Then, a potential buyer will think, "the person who owned this boat was very particular" So it's either amazing condition or great pricing that will attract a buyer. Thanks, Danny Original message From: Jake Brodersen via CnC-List Date: 10/20/19 10:10 AM (GMT-05:00) To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: captain_j...@cox.net Subject: Stus-List Boat Selling Tips Hi guys,I’ve been lurking for quite some time, but still have an interest for this great group. Having purchased a larger cruising boat last year (Bavaria 44), I have tried for over a year to sell my 1986 C&C Mk-III. I initially tried to sell it myself. I listed it on Craigslist, advertised on the FSBO web site (for sale by owner), and spread the word through my local sailors.When summer turned to fall and no action, I enlisted a reputable local broker to list my boat. After listing it on Yacht World for over a year, we have yet to have a single buyer interested enough to even come take a look at it. The boat is well equipped for racing and cruising and comes with a ton of equipment. I’ve dropped the price over $10K and still no interest. What does it take to sell a boat these days? Any suggestions would be appreciated.Thanks,Jake Brodersen1986 C&C 35 Mk-III“Midnight Mistress”Hampton VA Why Metformin Makes You Sick simplebloodsugarfix.com http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/5dad023f927bc23d16best04vuc___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
Re: Stus-List boat selling tips
I've had lots of luck and sold to older boats on sailboatlistings.com it's free and lots of brokers you today as well tons of visibility. just be aware there's plenty of scam artists out there looking to make a buck. On Sun, Oct 20, 2019, 11:00 AM wrote: > Send CnC-List mailing list submissions to > cnc-list@cnc-list.com > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > cnc-list-requ...@cnc-list.com > > You can reach the person managing the list at > cnc-list-ow...@cnc-list.com > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of CnC-List digest..." > Today's Topics: > >1. Air in fuel line (cenel...@aol.com) >2. Boat Selling Tips (captain_j...@cox.net) >3. 3 blade prop question (Brian Davis) >4. Re: 3 blade prop question (Doug Mountjoy) > > > > -- Forwarded message -- > From: cenel...@aol.com > To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com > Cc: > Bcc: > Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2019 16:26:41 + (UTC) > Subject: Stus-List Air in fuel line > When replacing the top cover with large 0-ring of the Racor (whether you > mount a vacuum gauge on it or not), be sure to not over-tighten it--whether > you use your hand (as Racor recommends IIRC) or a wrench. > > I got carried away when I installed a vacuum gauge on the top plate and > had more engine stalls with air in the line than I could count! > > My mechanic was as confused as I was but suggested that I replace the top > plate of the Racor--voila problem solved! > > I evidently over-tightened the plate enough that I deformed it very > slightly so that the middle of it (where the bolt/gauge is threaded into > the bottom piece) was 'dimpled in'. As a result, the outer edge of the > plate (which holds the large O-ring) was unable to seal properly when fuel > was sucked thru it so air was admitted. > > When pressure tested, there was no leak since the pressure un-dimpled the > plate enough to seal the O-ring! Talk about Murphy being a sailor!! > > FWIW, > > Charlie Nelson > > > > > > > -- Forwarded message -- > From: > To: > Cc: > Bcc: > Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2019 10:10:38 -0400 > Subject: Stus-List Boat Selling Tips > > *Hi guys,* > > *I’ve been lurking for quite some time, but still have an interest for > this great group. Having purchased a larger cruising boat last year > (Bavaria 44), I have tried for over a year to sell my 1986 C&C Mk-III. I > initially tried to sell it myself. I listed it on Craigslist, advertised > on the FSBO web site (for sale by owner), and spread the word through my > local sailors.* > > *When summer turned to fall and no action, I enlisted a reputable local > broker to list my boat. After listing it on Yacht World for over a year, > we have yet to have a single buyer interested enough to even come take a > look at it. * > > *The boat is well equipped for racing and cruising and comes with a ton of > equipment. I’ve dropped the price over $10K and still no interest. What > does it take to sell a boat these days? Any suggestions would be > appreciated.* > > *Thanks,* > > *Jake Brodersen* > > *1986 C&C 35 Mk-III* > > *“Midnight Mistress”* > > *Hampton VA* > > > > > > -- Forwarded message -- > From: Brian Davis > To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com > Cc: > Bcc: > Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2019 10:35:27 -0400 > Subject: Stus-List 3 blade prop question > Good day fellow C&C'ers, > > I currently have a 2 blade prop on our Landfall 38SL (1980). The control > while in reverse is barely anything and I'm considering a 3 blade. I > understand I'll lose some efficiency, but I'd prefer better motoring > control. I've read about the prop in the below link, but was wondering what > some of you have in regards to diameter and pitch. I know my shaft is 1 > 1/8". > > Appreciate your help. > > Michigan Wheel 18 inch 3 Blade Sailer 3 bronze SL33B18B prop > > https://www.deepblueyachtsupply.com/18-sailer3-3-blade-bronze?gclid=Cj0KCQjwi7DtBRCLARIsAGCJWBrM4rjywTB6pMhu5xTu6fZMXarnoJezC-QbExaUHfxbZJkXXuWqe8waAvUEEALw_wcB > > > > -- Forwarded message -- > From: Doug Mountjoy > To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com > Cc: > Bcc: > Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2019 08:02:17 -0700 > Subject: Re: Stus-List 3 blade prop question > HI Brian, > I had a LF38 (hull #4) with the same issues you're complaining about. > Inefficiency while motoring,
Re: Stus-List Boat Selling Tips
Try: https://www.sailboatlistings.com/sailboats_for_sale/ https://www.sailboatowners.com/classified2/adsmanager.php https://www.sailingtexas.com/cboats.html (not just for Texas boats) Finally, one thing that tremendously helped a friend sell his old trawler: owner financing. He took 30% down, had the buyer sign a very strong lien and, most importantly, required the purchaser to list him (the seller) as first insured on the insurance with notification by the insurance company if the insurance was cancelled or premiums not paid or some such assurance. A condition of the lien was the boat reverted back to the seller in the event insurance was dropped. A second friend with a very similar trawler had his sit with no interest for many, many months. He wanted cash and would not offer owner finance. Your boat is 33 years old. Many financing entities won't issue a loan for a boat that old. Dennis C. Touche' 35-1 #83 Mandeville, LA On Sun, Oct 20, 2019 at 9:11 AM Jake Brodersen via CnC-List < cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > *Hi guys,* > > *I’ve been lurking for quite some time, but still have an interest for > this great group. Having purchased a larger cruising boat last year > (Bavaria 44), I have tried for over a year to sell my 1986 C&C Mk-III. I > initially tried to sell it myself. I listed it on Craigslist, advertised > on the FSBO web site (for sale by owner), and spread the word through my > local sailors.* > > *When summer turned to fall and no action, I enlisted a reputable local > broker to list my boat. After listing it on Yacht World for over a year, > we have yet to have a single buyer interested enough to even come take a > look at it. * > > *The boat is well equipped for racing and cruising and comes with a ton of > equipment. I’ve dropped the price over $10K and still no interest. What > does it take to sell a boat these days? Any suggestions would be > appreciated.* > > *Thanks,* > > *Jake Brodersen* > > *1986 C&C 35 Mk-III* > > *“Midnight Mistress”* > > *Hampton VA* > > > ___ > > Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each > and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - > use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray > > ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
Re: Stus-List Boat Selling Tips
You could try joining the C&C Owners Group on Facebook, there are those who are looking to move up. Good luck. https://www.facebook.com/groups/1655902941377582/ Jim Watts Paradigm Shift C&C 35 Mk III Victoria, BC On Sun, 20 Oct 2019 at 07:11, Jake Brodersen via CnC-List < cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > *Hi guys,* > > *I’ve been lurking for quite some time, but still have an interest for > this great group. Having purchased a larger cruising boat last year > (Bavaria 44), I have tried for over a year to sell my 1986 C&C Mk-III. I > initially tried to sell it myself. I listed it on Craigslist, advertised > on the FSBO web site (for sale by owner), and spread the word through my > local sailors.* > > *When summer turned to fall and no action, I enlisted a reputable local > broker to list my boat. After listing it on Yacht World for over a year, > we have yet to have a single buyer interested enough to even come take a > look at it. * > > *The boat is well equipped for racing and cruising and comes with a ton of > equipment. I’ve dropped the price over $10K and still no interest. What > does it take to sell a boat these days? Any suggestions would be > appreciated.* > > *Thanks,* > > *Jake Brodersen* > > *1986 C&C 35 Mk-III* > > *“Midnight Mistress”* > > *Hampton VA* > > > ___ > > Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each > and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - > use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray > > ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
Stus-List Boat Selling Tips
Hi guys, I’ve been lurking for quite some time, but still have an interest for this great group. Having purchased a larger cruising boat last year (Bavaria 44), I have tried for over a year to sell my 1986 C&C Mk-III. I initially tried to sell it myself. I listed it on Craigslist, advertised on the FSBO web site (for sale by owner), and spread the word through my local sailors. When summer turned to fall and no action, I enlisted a reputable local broker to list my boat. After listing it on Yacht World for over a year, we have yet to have a single buyer interested enough to even come take a look at it. The boat is well equipped for racing and cruising and comes with a ton of equipment. I’ve dropped the price over $10K and still no interest. What does it take to sell a boat these days? Any suggestions would be appreciated. Thanks, Jake Brodersen 1986 C&C 35 Mk-III “Midnight Mistress” Hampton VA ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
