Re: Stus-List Boom fittings for reefing attachments

[Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List]

Josh

Your idea for single line reef is pretty much the stock setup on the c 115.  
On the 115 it runs inside the boom though to a shiv on the end. I believe there 
may be some mechanical advantage inside the boom as well but of course cannot 
see.  What we have noted is that there is a lot of friction on this reef line.  
We think there may be a problem inside the boom but not sure.  We have to use a 
winch to get it reefed and that extra friction of up to the reef cringle (or 
dogbone) on luff of main adds even more friction.

On a fully crewed boat I believe the single line reef system is slower and less 
effective than the hook at boom.  If solo sailing it may be a good idea though

Thanks for the chat yesterday.  Will be back at the boat after work today.  Was 
below freezing this morning so did not go early

Mike

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Subject: Re: Stus-List Boom fittings for reefing attachments

Josh:
If what you're trying to do is use one line to reef both the tack and clew of 
the Main..that's a lot of force needed for a single line.  What's 
commonly done is to make up a "strap loop" probably 6" long with stainless 
rings at each end and fed through the tack grommet before sewing the loop 
closed...Then on the top side of the gooseneck fitting, install a reefing hook 
..Then the line reefing is used for the clew portion of the main and when 
it comes time to reef, you simply lower the main and drop one of the rings over 
the reefing hook. The other ring keeps the loop from pulling through the 
cringle.  Then tighten the halyard again.

Then use the clew reefing line to set the final sail shape.

The fitting that mounts on the gooseneck is like this one.   
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Universal-3-8-Reefing-Hook-Sailboat-Sailing-Hardware-Schaefer-Marine-54-21-New-/172132586166?hash=item2813e6d2b6:g:-TwAAOSwwpdW5YT9=mtr

Best,

Ron Casciato




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Awesome guys!  Thanks everyone for the input.  It looks like "that's just the 
way it is".  Nobody in the industry has necessarily come up with anything earth 
shatteringly better.

As I think I eluded to earlier, I'm averse to whimsically drilling holes in the 
boom.   Besides, I'm not sure a track or block necessarily looks cleaner so 
I'll probably stick with a tied on method.

Does anybody have any thoughts on using a  soft shackle and an eye splice to 
attach the reefing lines around the boom?

I was also considering a single line reefing system.  One challenge is that 
where most setups have the line exit the boom at the mast and turn up to the 
reef cringle, my boom is solid on top AND my aversion to drilling holes extends 
to the mast as well.  So if I tried a single line reef, it would have the line 
turn down to the mast collar (like it did previously) but instead of simply 
running back to the cabin (winch and jammer), the line would run back up to the 
reef cringle, and back down on the other side of the boom to another turning 
block which would lead back to the winch and cleat where it would finish.

Thoughts on my plan?

Thoughts on single line reefing?  I've heard some pretty strong arguments 
against and only a few advocates.

Thanks again,
Josh
On Apr 8, 2016 1:49 PM, "Martin DeYoung via CnC-List" 
<cnc-list@cnc-list.com<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
>...1 1/4 inch, t track mounted on the side of the boom...

Calypso's boom has a similar T track on each side of the boom.  I still tie the 
reefing lines around the boom and have seen very little paint wear.

The tracks on Calypso's boom were installed long ago and may also act as 
stiffeners as the mid boom main sheet attachments are near the tracks.

Best regards,

Martin
Calypso
1971 C 43
Seattle

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Subject: Re: Stus-List Boom fittings for reefing attachments

My 40 has a 1 1/4 inch, t track mounted on the side of the boom with a Schaefer 
Jiffy reef slide/bail that slides up and down the track so you can position the 
clew attachment point for multiple mainsail reef points.  The reefing line goes 
through a hook that you use to select which reefing cringle you want to use.

Robbie Epstein

1980 C 40


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Re: Stus-List Boom fittings for reefing attachments

[Michael Crombie via CnC-List]

Great, thanks...that sounds do-able! 

And thanks to the others for their input. Always lots of good ideas on this 
list.

Mike 
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Subject: Re: Stus-List Boom fittings for reefing attachments

HI Mike:

You or your sailmaker can fabricate one..in my case, I bought a
piece of 1" wide nylon web strapfor of like the sail ties material.
Then I found at West Marine 2 stainless rings about 2" in diameter???/
(Bigger than your sail cringle)I put one ring on the strap and fed both
pieces of the strap through the cringleon the other side, I put the
second ring on and then overlapped the two ends about an inch and stitched
then together with heavy waxed whipping line.I Found a nifty hand
stitcher at Harbor Freight for a couple of bucks and that made it easy.

So the finished product looks like a floppy dogbone with one ring on each
side..that ring simply gets hooked over the reefing hook on the boom end
and you're all set to haul up the main halyard..

You'll figure out that after you reef the leech of the sail, you may need to
readjust the halyard, but that's boat dependant and crew savvy

Good luck,

Ron

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Subject: Re: Stus-List Boom fittings for reefing attachments

Hi Ron,

You refer to a  "strap loop" that goes through the tack cringle.  I think
this is exactly what i'm missing! Where do I get one of these? Or how do I
make one? 

For the past two years i've just been trying to hook the cringle onto the
reefing hook on the boom...this doesn't work very well and it can damage the
sail.

Thanks,

Mike
Atacama 33 mkii
Toronto 
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Re: Stus-List Boom fittings for reefing attachments

[Rjcasciato via CnC-List]

HI Mike:

You or your sailmaker can fabricate one..in my case, I bought a
piece of 1" wide nylon web strapfor of like the sail ties material.
Then I found at West Marine 2 stainless rings about 2" in diameter???/
(Bigger than your sail cringle)I put one ring on the strap and fed both
pieces of the strap through the cringleon the other side, I put the
second ring on and then overlapped the two ends about an inch and stitched
then together with heavy waxed whipping line.I Found a nifty hand
stitcher at Harbor Freight for a couple of bucks and that made it easy.

So the finished product looks like a floppy dogbone with one ring on each
side..that ring simply gets hooked over the reefing hook on the boom end
and you're all set to haul up the main halyard..

You'll figure out that after you reef the leech of the sail, you may need to
readjust the halyard, but that's boat dependant and crew savvy

Good luck,

Ron

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Subject: Re: Stus-List Boom fittings for reefing attachments

Hi Ron,

You refer to a  "strap loop" that goes through the tack cringle.  I think
this is exactly what i'm missing! Where do I get one of these? Or how do I
make one? 

For the past two years i've just been trying to hook the cringle onto the
reefing hook on the boom...this doesn't work very well and it can damage the
sail.

Thanks,

Mike
Atacama 33 mkii
Toronto 
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Re: Stus-List Boom fittings for reefing attachments

[Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List]

Youb can quite easily make one. Have a look at the video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91YlX4MRv3Q 

Marek

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Subject: Re: Stus-List Boom fittings for reefing attachments

Hi Ron,

You refer to a  "strap loop" that goes through the tack cringle.  I think
this is exactly what i'm missing! Where do I get one of these? Or how do I
make one? 

For the past two years i've just been trying to hook the cringle onto the
reefing hook on the boom...this doesn't work very well and it can damage the
sail.

Thanks,

Mike
Atacama 33 mkii
Toronto 
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Re: Stus-List Boom fittings for reefing attachments

[Josh Muckley via CnC-List]

When I had my mainsail made I had the sail maker include the dogbones
(strops) in both reef cringles and I had him add a web nylon handle above
the cringles so that you can pull the sail and control its movement while
setting the dogbone.  I have considered making my dogbones longer by
removing the strop from the rings and just using amsteel to tie the rings
on either side of the cringle.

I already have a 4:1 cunningham so an extension of the idea above would be
to have the length of amsteel long enough to hook the horn opposite of the
cunningham then set the cunningham hook in the eye that is sticking through
the cringle.  Now when you pull the cunningham you get a 8:1 advantage as
well as a lot of flexibility for tack height.  One concern is that this
orientation may not hold the tack in position fore and aft relative to the
horns.

So if you absolutely want strops you'll have to get your sail maker to add
them.

Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C 37+
Solomons, MD
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Re: Stus-List Boom fittings for reefing attachments

[Kevin Driscoll via CnC-List]

You could also use your Cunningham. You have one?

On Fri, Apr 8, 2016, 6:47 PM Michael Crombie via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Hi Ron,
>
> You refer to a  "strap loop" that goes through the tack cringle.  I think
> this is exactly what i'm missing! Where do I get one of these? Or how do I
> make one?
>
> For the past two years i've just been trying to hook the cringle onto the
> reefing hook on the boom...this doesn't work very well and it can damage
> the sail.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Mike
> Atacama 33 mkii
> Toronto
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Re: Stus-List Boom fittings for reefing attachments

[Michael Crombie via CnC-List]

Hi Ron,

You refer to a  "strap loop" that goes through the tack cringle.  I think this 
is exactly what i'm missing! Where do I get one of these? Or how do I make one? 

For the past two years i've just been trying to hook the cringle onto the 
reefing hook on the boom...this doesn't work very well and it can damage the 
sail.

Thanks,

Mike
Atacama 33 mkii
Toronto 
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Re: Stus-List Boom fittings for reefing attachments

[Josh Muckley via CnC-List]

Thanks Ron,

That's pretty much how I do it now.  I just keep thinking there might be
something better... Guess not.

Josh
On Apr 8, 2016 4:33 PM, "Rjcasciato via CnC-List" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
wrote:

> Josh:
>
> If what you’re trying to do is use one line to reef both the tack and clew
> of the Main……….that’s a lot of force needed for a single line.  What’s
> commonly done is to make up a “strap loop” probably 6” long with stainless
> rings at each end and fed through the tack grommet before sewing the loop
> closed…Then on the top side of the gooseneck fitting, install a reefing
> hook ……Then the line reefing is used for the clew portion of the main and
> when it comes time to reef, you simply lower the main and drop one of the
> rings over the reefing hook. The other ring keeps the loop from pulling
> through the cringle.  Then tighten the halyard again.
>
>
>
> Then use the clew reefing line to set the final sail shape.
>
>
>
> The fitting that mounts on the gooseneck is like this one………
> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Universal-3-8-Reefing-Hook-Sailboat-Sailing-Hardware-Schaefer-Marine-54-21-New-/172132586166?hash=item2813e6d2b6:g:-TwAAOSwwpdW5YT9=mtr
>
>
>
>
> Best,
>
>
>
> Ron Casciato
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --
>
> *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh
> Muckley via CnC-List
> *Sent:* Friday, April 08, 2016 2:24 PM
> *To:* C List
> *Cc:* Josh Muckley
> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Boom fittings for reefing attachments
>
>
>
> Awesome guys!  Thanks everyone for the input.  It looks like "that's just
> the way it is".  Nobody in the industry has necessarily come up with
> anything earth shatteringly better.
>
> As I think I eluded to earlier, I'm averse to whimsically drilling holes
> in the boom.   Besides, I'm not sure a track or block necessarily looks
> cleaner so I'll probably stick with a tied on method.
>
> Does anybody have any thoughts on using a  soft shackle and an eye splice
> to attach the reefing lines around the boom?
>
> I was also considering a single line reefing system.  One challenge is
> that where most setups have the line exit the boom at the mast and turn up
> to the reef cringle, my boom is solid on top AND my aversion to drilling
> holes extends to the mast as well.  So if I tried a single line reef, it
> would have the line turn down to the mast collar (like it did previously)
> but instead of simply running back to the cabin (winch and jammer), the
> line would run back up to the reef cringle, and back down on the other side
> of the boom to another turning block which would lead back to the winch and
> cleat where it would finish.
>
> Thoughts on my plan?
>
> Thoughts on single line reefing?  I've heard some pretty strong arguments
> against and only a few advocates.
>
> Thanks again,
> Josh
>
> On Apr 8, 2016 1:49 PM, "Martin DeYoung via CnC-List" <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> >...1 1/4 inch, t track mounted on the side of the boom...
>
> Calypso's boom has a similar T track on each side of the boom.  I still
> tie the reefing lines around the boom and have seen very little paint wear.
>
> The tracks on Calypso's boom were installed long ago and may also act as
> stiffeners as the mid boom main sheet attachments are near the tracks.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Martin
> Calypso
> 1971 C 43
> Seattle
>
> -Original Message-
> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Robbie
> Epstein via CnC-List
> Sent: Friday, April 08, 2016 7:48 AM
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Cc: Robbie Epstein
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Boom fittings for reefing attachments
>
> My 40 has a 1 1/4 inch, t track mounted on the side of the boom with a
> Schaefer Jiffy reef slide/bail that slides up and down the track so you can
> position the clew attachment point for multiple mainsail reef points.  The
> reefing line goes through a hook that you use to select which reefing
> cringle you want to use.
>
> Robbie Epstein
>
> 1980 C 40
>
>
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Re: Stus-List Boom fittings for reefing attachments

[Rjcasciato via CnC-List]

Josh:

If what you're trying to do is use one line to reef both the tack and clew
of the Mainthat's a lot of force needed for a single line.  What's
commonly done is to make up a "strap loop" probably 6" long with stainless
rings at each end and fed through the tack grommet before sewing the loop
closed.Then on the top side of the gooseneck fitting, install a reefing hook
..Then the line reefing is used for the clew portion of the main and when it
comes time to reef, you simply lower the main and drop one of the rings over
the reefing hook. The other ring keeps the loop from pulling through the
cringle.  Then tighten the halyard again.

 

Then use the clew reefing line to set the final sail shape.

 

The fitting that mounts on the gooseneck is like this one...
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Universal-3-8-Reefing-Hook-Sailboat-Sailing-Hardware
-Schaefer-Marine-54-21-New-/172132586166?hash=item2813e6d2b6:g:-TwAAOSwwpdW5
YT9
<http://www.ebay.com/itm/Universal-3-8-Reefing-Hook-Sailboat-Sailing-Hardwar
e-Schaefer-Marine-54-21-New-/172132586166?hash=item2813e6d2b6:g:-TwAAOSwwpdW
5YT9=mtr> =mtr  

 

Best,

 

Ron Casciato

 

 

 

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Subject: Re: Stus-List Boom fittings for reefing attachments

 

Awesome guys!  Thanks everyone for the input.  It looks like "that's just
the way it is".  Nobody in the industry has necessarily come up with
anything earth shatteringly better. 

As I think I eluded to earlier, I'm averse to whimsically drilling holes in
the boom.   Besides, I'm not sure a track or block necessarily looks cleaner
so I'll probably stick with a tied on method.  

Does anybody have any thoughts on using a  soft shackle and an eye splice to
attach the reefing lines around the boom?

I was also considering a single line reefing system.  One challenge is that
where most setups have the line exit the boom at the mast and turn up to the
reef cringle, my boom is solid on top AND my aversion to drilling holes
extends to the mast as well.  So if I tried a single line reef, it would
have the line turn down to the mast collar (like it did previously) but
instead of simply running back to the cabin (winch and jammer), the line
would run back up to the reef cringle, and back down on the other side of
the boom to another turning block which would lead back to the winch and
cleat where it would finish.

Thoughts on my plan?

Thoughts on single line reefing?  I've heard some pretty strong arguments
against and only a few advocates.

Thanks again, 
Josh

On Apr 8, 2016 1:49 PM, "Martin DeYoung via CnC-List"
<cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

>...1 1/4 inch, t track mounted on the side of the boom...

Calypso's boom has a similar T track on each side of the boom.  I still tie
the reefing lines around the boom and have seen very little paint wear.

The tracks on Calypso's boom were installed long ago and may also act as
stiffeners as the mid boom main sheet attachments are near the tracks.

Best regards,

Martin
Calypso
1971 C 43
Seattle

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Sent: Friday, April 08, 2016 7:48 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Robbie Epstein
Subject: Re: Stus-List Boom fittings for reefing attachments

My 40 has a 1 1/4 inch, t track mounted on the side of the boom with a
Schaefer Jiffy reef slide/bail that slides up and down the track so you can
position the clew attachment point for multiple mainsail reef points.  The
reefing line goes through a hook that you use to select which reefing
cringle you want to use.

Robbie Epstein

1980 C 40


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Re: Stus-List Boom fittings for reefing attachments

[John Pennie via CnC-List]

If you draw that out I believe it’s 3 X 180 degree turn, 3 X 90 degree turn and 
one nominal 30 degree deflection.  Personally I would opt for 2 line but I’m 
biased toward that anyway.

John



> On Apr 8, 2016, at 2:50 PM, Marek Dziedzic (hotmail) via CnC-List 
> <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
> 
> My single line reefing works almost exactly as you describe (at the mast end, 
> the line goes down to the mast collar, then up to the reefing cringle 
> (actually a dog bone there)). The only difference is that I have a car inside 
> the boom, so the line is split. It works just fine. You can reef from the 
> cockpit, without leaving it. The real main advantage is that you just crank 
> it up and eventually it is done; no need to adjust this then something else. 
> This might be an advantage for larger sails (larger boats).
>  
> Not that I am a single-line reefing advocate (or that the fact that I use it 
> is an argument for it).
>  
> The main arguments for two-line reefing is that it is simpler; does not 
> require any modifications to the boom and potentially allows for a better 
> shape of the reefed sail. You don’t even need a line up front if you have a 
> gooseneck reefing hook.
>  
> Marek
>  
> From: Josh Muckley via CnC-List <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
> Sent: Friday, April 8, 2016 14:24
> To: C List <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
> Cc: Josh Muckley <mailto:muckl...@gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Boom fittings for reefing attachments
>  
> Awesome guys! Thanks everyone for the input. It looks like "that's just the 
> way it is". Nobody in the industry has necessarily come up with anything 
> earth shatteringly better.
> As I think I eluded to earlier, I'm averse to whimsically drilling holes in 
> the boom. Besides, I'm not sure a track or block necessarily looks cleaner so 
> I'll probably stick with a tied on method.
> Does anybody have any thoughts on using a soft shackle and an eye splice to 
> attach the reefing lines around the boom?
> I was also considering a single line reefing system. One challenge is that 
> where most setups have the line exit the boom at the mast and turn up to the 
> reef cringle, my boom is solid on top AND my aversion to drilling holes 
> extends to the mast as well. So if I tried a single line reef, it would have 
> the line turn down to the mast collar (like it did previously) but instead of 
> simply running back to the cabin (winch and jammer), the line would run back 
> up to the reef cringle, and back down on the other side of the boom to 
> another turning block which would lead back to the winch and cleat where it 
> would finish.
> Thoughts on my plan?
> Thoughts on single line reefing? I've heard some pretty strong arguments 
> against and only a few advocates.
> Thanks again, 
> Josh
> On Apr 8, 2016 1:49 PM, "Martin DeYoung via CnC-List" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
> <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
>> >...1 1/4 inch, t track mounted on the side of the boom...
>> 
>> Calypso's boom has a similar T track on each side of the boom. I still tie 
>> the reefing lines around the boom and have seen very little paint wear.
>> 
>> The tracks on Calypso's boom were installed long ago and may also act as 
>> stiffeners as the mid boom main sheet attachments are near the tracks.
>> 
>> Best regards,
>> 
>> Martin
>> Calypso
>> 1971 C 43
>> Seattle
>> 
>> -----Original Message-
>> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com 
>> <mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com>] On Behalf Of Robbie Epstein via 
>> CnC-List
>> Sent: Friday, April 08, 2016 7:48 AM
>> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
>> Cc: Robbie Epstein
>> Subject: Re: Stus-List Boom fittings for reefing attachments
>> 
>> My 40 has a 1 1/4 inch, t track mounted on the side of the boom with a 
>> Schaefer Jiffy reef slide/bail that slides up and down the track so you can 
>> position the clew attachment point for multiple mainsail reef points. The 
>> reefing line goes through a hook that you use to select which reefing 
>> cringle you want to use.
>> 
>> Robbie Epstein
>> 
>> 1980 C 40
>> 
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Re: Stus-List Boom fittings for reefing attachments

[Marek Dziedzic (hotmail) via CnC-List]

My single line reefing works almost exactly as you describe (at the mast end, 
the line goes down to the mast collar, then up to the reefing cringle (actually 
a dog bone there)). The only difference is that I have a car inside the boom, 
so the line is split. It works just fine. You can reef from the cockpit, 
without leaving it. The real main advantage is that you just crank it up and 
eventually it is done; no need to adjust this then something else. This might 
be an advantage for larger sails (larger boats).

Not that I am a single-line reefing advocate (or that the fact that I use it is 
an argument for it).

The main arguments for two-line reefing is that it is simpler; does not require 
any modifications to the boom and potentially allows for a better shape of the 
reefed sail. You don’t even need a line up front if you have a gooseneck 
reefing hook.

Marek

From: Josh Muckley via CnC-List 
Sent: Friday, April 8, 2016 14:24
To: C List 
Cc: Josh Muckley 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Boom fittings for reefing attachments

Awesome guys! Thanks everyone for the input. It looks like "that's just the way 
it is". Nobody in the industry has necessarily come up with anything earth 
shatteringly better. 

As I think I eluded to earlier, I'm averse to whimsically drilling holes in the 
boom. Besides, I'm not sure a track or block necessarily looks cleaner so I'll 
probably stick with a tied on method. 

Does anybody have any thoughts on using a soft shackle and an eye splice to 
attach the reefing lines around the boom?

I was also considering a single line reefing system. One challenge is that 
where most setups have the line exit the boom at the mast and turn up to the 
reef cringle, my boom is solid on top AND my aversion to drilling holes extends 
to the mast as well. So if I tried a single line reef, it would have the line 
turn down to the mast collar (like it did previously) but instead of simply 
running back to the cabin (winch and jammer), the line would run back up to the 
reef cringle, and back down on the other side of the boom to another turning 
block which would lead back to the winch and cleat where it would finish.

Thoughts on my plan?

Thoughts on single line reefing? I've heard some pretty strong arguments 
against and only a few advocates.

Thanks again, 
Josh

On Apr 8, 2016 1:49 PM, "Martin DeYoung via CnC-List" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> 
wrote:

  >...1 1/4 inch, t track mounted on the side of the boom...

  Calypso's boom has a similar T track on each side of the boom. I still tie 
the reefing lines around the boom and have seen very little paint wear.

  The tracks on Calypso's boom were installed long ago and may also act as 
stiffeners as the mid boom main sheet attachments are near the tracks.

  Best regards,

  Martin
  Calypso
  1971 C 43
  Seattle

  -Original Message-
  From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Robbie 
Epstein via CnC-List
  Sent: Friday, April 08, 2016 7:48 AM
  To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
  Cc: Robbie Epstein
  Subject: Re: Stus-List Boom fittings for reefing attachments

  My 40 has a 1 1/4 inch, t track mounted on the side of the boom with a 
Schaefer Jiffy reef slide/bail that slides up and down the track so you can 
position the clew attachment point for multiple mainsail reef points. The 
reefing line goes through a hook that you use to select which reefing cringle 
you want to use.

  Robbie Epstein

  1980 C 40


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Re: Stus-List Boom fittings for reefing attachments

[John Pennie via CnC-List]

Not too keen on the single line reefing arrangement.  You're adding another 180 
degree bend into a system that is already loaded with friction.

I do have single line reefing and with a block at the luff and an electric 
winch it's fine for the first reef, marginal for the second.

John


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> On Apr 8, 2016, at 2:23 PM, Josh Muckley via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> Awesome guys!  Thanks everyone for the input.  It looks like "that's just the 
> way it is".  Nobody in the industry has necessarily come up with anything 
> earth shatteringly better. 
> 
> As I think I eluded to earlier, I'm averse to whimsically drilling holes in 
> the boom.   Besides, I'm not sure a track or block necessarily looks cleaner 
> so I'll probably stick with a tied on method. 
> 
> Does anybody have any thoughts on using a  soft shackle and an eye splice to 
> attach the reefing lines around the boom?
> 
> I was also considering a single line reefing system.  One challenge is that 
> where most setups have the line exit the boom at the mast and turn up to the 
> reef cringle, my boom is solid on top AND my aversion to drilling holes 
> extends to the mast as well.  So if I tried a single line reef, it would have 
> the line turn down to the mast collar (like it did previously) but instead of 
> simply running back to the cabin (winch and jammer), the line would run back 
> up to the reef cringle, and back down on the other side of the boom to 
> another turning block which would lead back to the winch and cleat where it 
> would finish.
> 
> Thoughts on my plan?
> 
> Thoughts on single line reefing?  I've heard some pretty strong arguments 
> against and only a few advocates.
> 
> Thanks again, 
> Josh
> 
>> On Apr 8, 2016 1:49 PM, "Martin DeYoung via CnC-List" 
>> <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>> >...1 1/4 inch, t track mounted on the side of the boom...
>> 
>> Calypso's boom has a similar T track on each side of the boom.  I still tie 
>> the reefing lines around the boom and have seen very little paint wear.
>> 
>> The tracks on Calypso's boom were installed long ago and may also act as 
>> stiffeners as the mid boom main sheet attachments are near the tracks.
>> 
>> Best regards,
>> 
>> Martin
>> Calypso
>> 1971 C 43
>> Seattle
>> 
>> -----Original Message-
>> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Robbie 
>> Epstein via CnC-List
>> Sent: Friday, April 08, 2016 7:48 AM
>> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
>> Cc: Robbie Epstein
>> Subject: Re: Stus-List Boom fittings for reefing attachments
>> 
>> My 40 has a 1 1/4 inch, t track mounted on the side of the boom with a 
>> Schaefer Jiffy reef slide/bail that slides up and down the track so you can 
>> position the clew attachment point for multiple mainsail reef points.  The 
>> reefing line goes through a hook that you use to select which reefing 
>> cringle you want to use.
>> 
>> Robbie Epstein
>> 
>> 1980 C 40
>> 
>> 
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Re: Stus-List Boom fittings for reefing attachments

[Martin DeYoung via CnC-List]

>...1 1/4 inch, t track mounted on the side of the boom...

Calypso's boom has a similar T track on each side of the boom.  I still tie the 
reefing lines around the boom and have seen very little paint wear.

The tracks on Calypso's boom were installed long ago and may also act as 
stiffeners as the mid boom main sheet attachments are near the tracks. 

Best regards,

Martin
Calypso
1971 C 43
Seattle

-Original Message-
From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Robbie 
Epstein via CnC-List
Sent: Friday, April 08, 2016 7:48 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Robbie Epstein
Subject: Re: Stus-List Boom fittings for reefing attachments

My 40 has a 1 1/4 inch, t track mounted on the side of the boom with a Schaefer 
Jiffy reef slide/bail that slides up and down the track so you can position the 
clew attachment point for multiple mainsail reef points.  The reefing line goes 
through a hook that you use to select which reefing cringle you want to use.

Robbie Epstein

1980 C 40 


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Re: Stus-List Boom Fittings

[Ken Heaton via CnC-List]

Our reef lines starts at the slides on the T track, go through the grommets
at the reef points on the mainsail, and then run to the back of the boom
where they goes over the sheaves and disappears inside the boom to reappear
at the mast and so on to the cabin-top rope clutches and winches.

The gives us 2:1 right away.  The cabin-top winch does the rest.

The slide on the T track looks a lot like this:
http://www.defender.com/product3.jsp?path=-1|118|2358559|2358565=116621

Ken H.


On 8 April 2016 at 13:40, Ken Heaton  wrote:

> Josh, Our mast and boom were built by Offshore Spars.  Our boom has a
> track bolted to the starboard side with pin stop slides we use for the
> reefing points.
>
> You can see it in this photo (assuming the link works):
>
> https://goo.gl/photos/PbbNaZG4WaXGQEHL8
>
> Ken H.
>
> On 8 April 2016 at 13:00, Josh Muckley via CnC-List  > wrote:
>
>> Yeah Len,
>>
>> I have the 3 sheaves at the aft end of the boom.  In fact I just had them
>> all remade by zepherworks.  The middle one is for the outhaul.  First reef
>> is on the stbd and second reef is on the port.  If you only tie it in the
>> reef hole and not the boom (through the reef hole) then the clew is free to
>> come up off the boom.  I was thinking maybe someone had come up with
>> something better than tying.  I was thinking about maybe splicing an eye in
>> the line and then luggage tagging it to the boom... Or soft shackling it to
>> the load line after passing around the boom.   Just something to clean it
>> up a little.
>>
>> Josh
>> On Apr 8, 2016 10:47 AM, "Mitchell's via CnC-List" 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Josh, My 1989 37+ has two ropes that go through the boom and to the
>>> coach roof led aft to the winches and a rams horn hook on the front of the
>>> boom. The two ropes go to each reef point on the leech and I use a line
>>> stopper knot (figure of eight) to secure. I let off halyard tension, hook
>>> the Rams horn to the appropriate reef point and tighten the appropriate
>>> reef rope. Then re-tension the halyard and we are done. The sail has a nice
>>> shape like a footless main and no need to wrap the freshly painted boom or
>>> fuss with the stack pack. Check to see if your boom has the extra sheaves.
>>> Len
>>>
>>> Sent from my mobile device.
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Re: Stus-List Boom Fittings

[Dennis C. via CnC-List]

Agree.  Boom to cringle back to boom for the 2:1.

Here's Touche's reef block and track.  The boom has eye straps on the other
side corresponding to the sail's reef points.  They are located so the reef
line pulls down and aft.  The block gets moved accordingly.

https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B_sb5TfIENvsMkJRUm1LUWlpdlE

Here's the reef cleat.  Mast person can simply pull it from the gooseneck
area.  It cleats itself.  To release just pull it outward.

https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B_sb5TfIENvsNWRFclhRUGVmZ3M

Dennis C.

On Fri, Apr 8, 2016 at 11:44 AM, Joel Aronson via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> I don't like tieing the reef line at the reef point.  It pulls the sail to
> that side and places a lot of stress on the grommet.  I'd use either a reef
> hoof or a dog-bone so you are pulling down, not sideways.  Also, if you
> attach the line to the boom you are getting a 2:1 purchase.
>
> Joel
> 35/3
> Annapolis
>
> On Fri, Apr 8, 2016 at 12:40 PM, Ken Heaton via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>> Josh, Our mast and boom were built by Offshore Spars.  Our boom has a
>> track bolted to the starboard side with pin stop slides we use for the
>> reefing points.
>>
>> You can see it in this photo (assuming the link works):
>>
>> https://goo.gl/photos/PbbNaZG4WaXGQEHL8
>>
>> Ken H.
>>
>> On 8 April 2016 at 13:00, Josh Muckley via CnC-List <
>> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Yeah Len,
>>>
>>> I have the 3 sheaves at the aft end of the boom.  In fact I just had
>>> them all remade by zepherworks.  The middle one is for the outhaul.  First
>>> reef is on the stbd and second reef is on the port.  If you only tie it in
>>> the reef hole and not the boom (through the reef hole) then the clew is
>>> free to come up off the boom.  I was thinking maybe someone had come up
>>> with something better than tying.  I was thinking about maybe splicing an
>>> eye in the line and then luggage tagging it to the boom... Or soft
>>> shackling it to the load line after passing around the boom.   Just
>>> something to clean it up a little.
>>>
>>> Josh
>>> On Apr 8, 2016 10:47 AM, "Mitchell's via CnC-List" <
>>> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>>>
 Josh, My 1989 37+ has two ropes that go through the boom and to the
 coach roof led aft to the winches and a rams horn hook on the front of the
 boom. The two ropes go to each reef point on the leech and I use a line
 stopper knot (figure of eight) to secure. I let off halyard tension, hook
 the Rams horn to the appropriate reef point and tighten the appropriate
 reef rope. Then re-tension the halyard and we are done. The sail has a nice
 shape like a footless main and no need to wrap the freshly painted boom or
 fuss with the stack pack. Check to see if your boom has the extra sheaves.
 Len

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Re: Stus-List Boom Fittings

[Joel Aronson via CnC-List]

I don't like tieing the reef line at the reef point.  It pulls the sail to
that side and places a lot of stress on the grommet.  I'd use either a reef
hoof or a dog-bone so you are pulling down, not sideways.  Also, if you
attach the line to the boom you are getting a 2:1 purchase.

Joel
35/3
Annapolis

On Fri, Apr 8, 2016 at 12:40 PM, Ken Heaton via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Josh, Our mast and boom were built by Offshore Spars.  Our boom has a
> track bolted to the starboard side with pin stop slides we use for the
> reefing points.
>
> You can see it in this photo (assuming the link works):
>
> https://goo.gl/photos/PbbNaZG4WaXGQEHL8
>
> Ken H.
>
> On 8 April 2016 at 13:00, Josh Muckley via CnC-List  > wrote:
>
>> Yeah Len,
>>
>> I have the 3 sheaves at the aft end of the boom.  In fact I just had them
>> all remade by zepherworks.  The middle one is for the outhaul.  First reef
>> is on the stbd and second reef is on the port.  If you only tie it in the
>> reef hole and not the boom (through the reef hole) then the clew is free to
>> come up off the boom.  I was thinking maybe someone had come up with
>> something better than tying.  I was thinking about maybe splicing an eye in
>> the line and then luggage tagging it to the boom... Or soft shackling it to
>> the load line after passing around the boom.   Just something to clean it
>> up a little.
>>
>> Josh
>> On Apr 8, 2016 10:47 AM, "Mitchell's via CnC-List" 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Josh, My 1989 37+ has two ropes that go through the boom and to the
>>> coach roof led aft to the winches and a rams horn hook on the front of the
>>> boom. The two ropes go to each reef point on the leech and I use a line
>>> stopper knot (figure of eight) to secure. I let off halyard tension, hook
>>> the Rams horn to the appropriate reef point and tighten the appropriate
>>> reef rope. Then re-tension the halyard and we are done. The sail has a nice
>>> shape like a footless main and no need to wrap the freshly painted boom or
>>> fuss with the stack pack. Check to see if your boom has the extra sheaves.
>>> Len
>>>
>>> Sent from my mobile device.
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Re: Stus-List Boom Fittings

[Ken Heaton via CnC-List]

Josh, Our mast and boom were built by Offshore Spars.  Our boom has a track
bolted to the starboard side with pin stop slides we use for the reefing
points.

You can see it in this photo (assuming the link works):

https://goo.gl/photos/PbbNaZG4WaXGQEHL8

Ken H.

On 8 April 2016 at 13:00, Josh Muckley via CnC-List 
wrote:

> Yeah Len,
>
> I have the 3 sheaves at the aft end of the boom.  In fact I just had them
> all remade by zepherworks.  The middle one is for the outhaul.  First reef
> is on the stbd and second reef is on the port.  If you only tie it in the
> reef hole and not the boom (through the reef hole) then the clew is free to
> come up off the boom.  I was thinking maybe someone had come up with
> something better than tying.  I was thinking about maybe splicing an eye in
> the line and then luggage tagging it to the boom... Or soft shackling it to
> the load line after passing around the boom.   Just something to clean it
> up a little.
>
> Josh
> On Apr 8, 2016 10:47 AM, "Mitchell's via CnC-List" 
> wrote:
>
>> Josh, My 1989 37+ has two ropes that go through the boom and to the coach
>> roof led aft to the winches and a rams horn hook on the front of the boom.
>> The two ropes go to each reef point on the leech and I use a line stopper
>> knot (figure of eight) to secure. I let off halyard tension, hook the Rams
>> horn to the appropriate reef point and tighten the appropriate reef rope.
>> Then re-tension the halyard and we are done. The sail has a nice shape like
>> a footless main and no need to wrap the freshly painted boom or fuss with
>> the stack pack. Check to see if your boom has the extra sheaves. Len
>>
>> Sent from my mobile device.
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Re: Stus-List Boom Fittings

[Josh Muckley via CnC-List]

Yeah Len,

I have the 3 sheaves at the aft end of the boom.  In fact I just had them
all remade by zepherworks.  The middle one is for the outhaul.  First reef
is on the stbd and second reef is on the port.  If you only tie it in the
reef hole and not the boom (through the reef hole) then the clew is free to
come up off the boom.  I was thinking maybe someone had come up with
something better than tying.  I was thinking about maybe splicing an eye in
the line and then luggage tagging it to the boom... Or soft shackling it to
the load line after passing around the boom.   Just something to clean it
up a little.

Josh
On Apr 8, 2016 10:47 AM, "Mitchell's via CnC-List" 
wrote:

> Josh, My 1989 37+ has two ropes that go through the boom and to the coach
> roof led aft to the winches and a rams horn hook on the front of the boom.
> The two ropes go to each reef point on the leech and I use a line stopper
> knot (figure of eight) to secure. I let off halyard tension, hook the Rams
> horn to the appropriate reef point and tighten the appropriate reef rope.
> Then re-tension the halyard and we are done. The sail has a nice shape like
> a footless main and no need to wrap the freshly painted boom or fuss with
> the stack pack. Check to see if your boom has the extra sheaves. Len
>
> Sent from my mobile device.
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Re: Stus-List Boom fittings for reefing attachments

[Marek Dziedzic (hotmail) via CnC-List]

The only thing I would suggest is to use some pad-eye under the boom or some 
other way to make sure that the line around the boom cannot slide forward. It 
has to work as an outhaul, as well.

Marek
C270 “Legato”
Ottawa, ON

From: Michael Brown via CnC-List 
Sent: Friday, April 8, 2016 10:41
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Cc: Michael Brown 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Boom fittings for reefing attachments

At a recent LOOR night Geoff Moore from North Sails spoke about sails and trim
for the "offshore" races. His recommendation was to have the reefing line tied
around the boom.

Michael Brown
Windburn
C 30-1



  Josh 

  The 2007 C that we race and the 2008 C that I sail on both are just 
tied around the boom.  I think that more or less says this is still how it is 
done.  Our own ancient Frers 33 also tied around a painted boom.  No wear on 
paint on the two C and the wear I see on the Frers boom is not from the reef 
line. 

  Mike 
  Persistence 
  1987 Frers 33 
  Halifax, NS 
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Re: Stus-List Boom fittings for reefing attachments

[Robbie Epstein via CnC-List]

My 40 has a 1 1/4 inch, t track mounted on the side of the boom with a
Schaefer Jiffy reef slide/bail that slides up and down the track so you can
position the clew attachment point for multiple mainsail reef points.  The
reefing line goes through a hook that you use to select which reefing
cringle you want to use.

Robbie Epstein

1980 C 40 

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   1. Re:  Boom fittings for reefing attachments (Hoyt, Mike)
   2. Re:  Ground loop? (Ryan Doyle)
   3. Re:  Boom fittings for reefing attachments (Gary Nylander)
   4. Re:  Ground loop? (Frederick G Street)


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Josh

The 2007 C that we race and the 2008 C that I sail on both are just
tied around the boom.  I think that more or less says this is still how it
is done.  Our own ancient Frers 33 also tied around a painted boom.  No wear
on paint on the two C and the wear I see on the Frers boom is not from
the reef line.

Mike
Persistence
1987 Frers 33
Halifax, NS

In the water since Monday!

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Sent: Friday, April 08, 2016 5:46 AM
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Subject: Re: Stus-List Boom fittings for reefing attachments


Yeah Paul, I had considered doing that.  I also considered having a single
piece of rod drilled and tapped at the correct distance for my selected pad
eye fitting.

I'm just kinda trying to figure out what others do.  Everybody else just tie
it to the boom?

Thanks for the idea, lets keep 'em coming.

Josh
On Apr 8, 2016 1:37 AM, "Paul Baker via CnC-List"
<cnc-list@cnc-list.com<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
You could perhaps find an eye nut that would fit onto a stopper that you
pictured instead of the knurled nut.
Cheers,
Paul.

Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2016 23:17:44 -0400
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
Subject: Stus-List Boom fittings for reefing attachments
From: cnc-list@cnc-list.com<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
CC: muckl...@gmail.com<mailto:muckl...@gmail.com>

Ok guys (& gals),

I just had my boom repainted and as a result this has been a great time to
rebuild and replace all the associated pieces and parts.  The boom wasn't
made with any place to attach reefing lines.  Previously I had simply tied
them with a bowline on a bite around the boom.  It works but I'm a little
apprehensive of the aesthetics and of the possible chaffing/wear on the new
paint.  So I was toying with options.  I thought about installing pad eyes
on the top or the bottom of the boom with machine screws.  I'm not sure how
well the fasteners would handle the stress and it means drilling holes.  It
also means removing the sail pack would be an even bigger pain in the butt.
I also considered having something in the boom track kinda like a slug stop
which would allow me to install a pad eye and slide it up and down the track
to its optimal position before fully tighten the screws to lock it in place.
See the attached picture of a slug stop.  I was kinda hoping someone made
this type of thing (a pad eye anchored in a bolt rope track) but all I could
find was the harken bat-car system and it is designed to mount a track and
then have a car ride on the track.  This seems costly and adds what seems
like considerable clew height.  The clew height may be inconsequential since
the tack height is normally elevated from the boom anyway.

Anybody have any ideas?

Thanks,
Josh Muckley
S l/V Sea Hawk
1989 C 37+
Solomons, MD

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Stus-List Boom Fittings

[Mitchell's via CnC-List]

Josh, My 1989 37+ has two ropes that go through the boom and to the coach roof 
led aft to the winches and a rams horn hook on the front of the boom. The two 
ropes go to each reef point on the leech and I use a line stopper knot (figure 
of eight) to secure. I let off halyard tension, hook the Rams horn to the 
appropriate reef point and tighten the appropriate reef rope. Then re-tension 
the halyard and we are done. The sail has a nice shape like a footless main and 
no need to wrap the freshly painted boom or fuss with the stack pack. Check to 
see if your boom has the extra sheaves. Len 

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Re: Stus-List Boom fittings for reefing attachments

[Michael Brown via CnC-List]

At a recent LOOR night Geoff Moore from North Sails spoke about sails and trim
for the "offshore" races. His recommendation was to have the reefing line tied
around the boom.

Michael Brown
Windburn
C 30-1



Josh 
 
The 2007 C that we race and the 2008 C that I sail on both are just 
tied around the boom.  I think that more or less says this is still how it is 
done.  Our own ancient Frers 33 also tied around a painted boom.  No wear on 
paint on the two C and the wear I see on the Frers boom is not from the reef 
line. 
 
Mike 
Persistence 
1987 Frers 33 
Halifax, NS 
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Re: Stus-List Boom fittings for reefing attachments

[Rick Brass via CnC-List]

What Gary describes is exactly how the reeling is configured on the booms of 
both my 38 and my 25. The only thing I might add to his description is that the 
pad eye and blocks are not directly under the reef cringles, but a couple of 
inches aft of that. The reef line not only holds the cringles down, it tensions 
the new foot of the reefed sail.

Rick Brass

Sent from my iPad

> On Apr 8, 2016, at 10:02, Gary Nylander via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> On my ancient 30-1, the factory installed two stout pad-eyes on the port side 
> of the boom and two cheek blocks on the opposite side. Reefing line(s) run 
> from pad-eye up through cringle in sail, down to cheek block and then forward 
> to a winch on the starboard side of the boom. This assures that the reefed 
> foot of the sail is pulled taut against the boom. A bit ugly, but effective 
> in keeping the sail flat.
>  
> Gary
>  
> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Josh 
> Muckley via CnC-List
> Sent: Thursday, April 7, 2016 11:18 PM
> To: C List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
> Cc: Josh Muckley <muckl...@gmail.com>
> Subject: Stus-List Boom fittings for reefing attachments
>  
> Ok guys (& gals),
> 
> I just had my boom repainted and as a result this has been a great time to 
> rebuild and replace all the associated pieces and parts.  The boom wasn't 
> made with any place to attach reefing lines.  Previously I had simply tied 
> them with a bowline on a bite around the boom.  It works but I'm a little 
> apprehensive of the aesthetics and of the possible chaffing/wear on the new 
> paint.  So I was toying with options.  I thought about installing pad eyes on 
> the top or the bottom of the boom with machine screws.  I'm not sure how well 
> the fasteners would handle the stress and it means drilling holes.  It also 
> means removing the sail pack would be an even bigger pain in the butt.  I 
> also considered having something in the boom track kinda like a slug stop 
> which would allow me to install a pad eye and slide it up and down the track 
> to its optimal position before fully tighten the screws to lock it in place.  
> See the attached picture of a slug stop.  I was kinda hoping someone made 
> this type of thing (a pad eye anchored in a bolt rope track) but all I could 
> find was the harken bat-car system and it is designed to mount a track and 
> then have a car ride on the track.  This seems costly and adds what seems 
> like considerable clew height.  The clew height may be inconsequential since 
> the tack height is normally elevated from the boom anyway.
> 
> Anybody have any ideas?
> 
> Thanks, 
> Josh Muckley
> S l/V Sea Hawk
> 1989 C 37+
> Solomons, MD
> 
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Re: Stus-List Boom fittings for reefing attachments

[Gary Nylander via CnC-List]

On my ancient 30-1, the factory installed two stout pad-eyes on the port side 
of the boom and two cheek blocks on the opposite side. Reefing line(s) run from 
pad-eye up through cringle in sail, down to cheek block and then forward to a 
winch on the starboard side of the boom. This assures that the reefed foot of 
the sail is pulled taut against the boom. A bit ugly, but effective in keeping 
the sail flat.

 

Gary

 

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Cc: Josh Muckley <muckl...@gmail.com>
Subject: Stus-List Boom fittings for reefing attachments

 

Ok guys (& gals), 

I just had my boom repainted and as a result this has been a great time to 
rebuild and replace all the associated pieces and parts.  The boom wasn't made 
with any place to attach reefing lines.  Previously I had simply tied them with 
a bowline on a bite around the boom.  It works but I'm a little apprehensive of 
the aesthetics and of the possible chaffing/wear on the new paint.  So I was 
toying with options.  I thought about installing pad eyes on the top or the 
bottom of the boom with machine screws.  I'm not sure how well the fasteners 
would handle the stress and it means drilling holes.  It also means removing 
the sail pack would be an even bigger pain in the butt.  I also considered 
having something in the boom track kinda like a slug stop which would allow me 
to install a pad eye and slide it up and down the track to its optimal position 
before fully tighten the screws to lock it in place.  See the attached picture 
of a slug stop.  I was kinda hoping someone made this type of thing (a pad eye 
anchored in a bolt rope track) but all I could find was the harken bat-car 
system and it is designed to mount a track and then have a car ride on the 
track.  This seems costly and adds what seems like considerable clew height.  
The clew height may be inconsequential since the tack height is normally 
elevated from the boom anyway.

Anybody have any ideas?

Thanks, 
Josh Muckley
S l/V Sea Hawk
1989 C 37+
Solomons, MD

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Re: Stus-List Boom fittings for reefing attachments

[Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List]

Josh

The 2007 C that we race and the 2008 C that I sail on both are just 
tied around the boom.  I think that more or less says this is still how it is 
done.  Our own ancient Frers 33 also tied around a painted boom.  No wear on 
paint on the two C and the wear I see on the Frers boom is not from the reef 
line.

Mike
Persistence
1987 Frers 33
Halifax, NS

In the water since Monday!

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Josh Muckley 
via CnC-List
Sent: Friday, April 08, 2016 5:46 AM
To: C List
Cc: Josh Muckley
Subject: Re: Stus-List Boom fittings for reefing attachments


Yeah Paul, I had considered doing that.  I also considered having a single 
piece of rod drilled and tapped at the correct distance for my selected pad eye 
fitting.

I'm just kinda trying to figure out what others do.  Everybody else just tie it 
to the boom?

Thanks for the idea, lets keep 'em coming.

Josh
On Apr 8, 2016 1:37 AM, "Paul Baker via CnC-List" 
<cnc-list@cnc-list.com<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
You could perhaps find an eye nut that would fit onto a stopper that you 
pictured instead of the knurled nut.
Cheers,
Paul.

Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2016 23:17:44 -0400
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
Subject: Stus-List Boom fittings for reefing attachments
From: cnc-list@cnc-list.com<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
CC: muckl...@gmail.com<mailto:muckl...@gmail.com>

Ok guys (& gals),

I just had my boom repainted and as a result this has been a great time to 
rebuild and replace all the associated pieces and parts.  The boom wasn't made 
with any place to attach reefing lines.  Previously I had simply tied them with 
a bowline on a bite around the boom.  It works but I'm a little apprehensive of 
the aesthetics and of the possible chaffing/wear on the new paint.  So I was 
toying with options.  I thought about installing pad eyes on the top or the 
bottom of the boom with machine screws.  I'm not sure how well the fasteners 
would handle the stress and it means drilling holes.  It also means removing 
the sail pack would be an even bigger pain in the butt.  I also considered 
having something in the boom track kinda like a slug stop which would allow me 
to install a pad eye and slide it up and down the track to its optimal position 
before fully tighten the screws to lock it in place.  See the attached picture 
of a slug stop.  I was kinda hoping someone made this type of thing (a pad eye 
anchored in a bolt rope track) but all I could find was the harken bat-car 
system and it is designed to mount a track and then have a car ride on the 
track.  This seems costly and adds what seems like considerable clew height.  
The clew height may be inconsequential since the tack height is normally 
elevated from the boom anyway.

Anybody have any ideas?

Thanks,
Josh Muckley
S l/V Sea Hawk
1989 C 37+
Solomons, MD

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Re: Stus-List Boom fittings for reefing attachments

[Josh Muckley via CnC-List]

Yeah Paul, I had considered doing that.  I also considered having a single
piece of rod drilled and tapped at the correct distance for my selected pad
eye fitting.

I'm just kinda trying to figure out what others do.  Everybody else just
tie it to the boom?

Thanks for the idea, lets keep 'em coming.

Josh
On Apr 8, 2016 1:37 AM, "Paul Baker via CnC-List" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
wrote:

> You could perhaps find an eye nut that would fit onto a stopper that you
> pictured instead of the knurled nut.
> Cheers,
> Paul.
>
> --
> Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2016 23:17:44 -0400
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Subject: Stus-List Boom fittings for reefing attachments
> From: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> CC: muckl...@gmail.com
>
> Ok guys (& gals),
>
> I just had my boom repainted and as a result this has been a great time to
> rebuild and replace all the associated pieces and parts.  The boom wasn't
> made with any place to attach reefing lines.  Previously I had simply tied
> them with a bowline on a bite around the boom.  It works but I'm a little
> apprehensive of the aesthetics and of the possible chaffing/wear on the new
> paint.  So I was toying with options.  I thought about installing pad eyes
> on the top or the bottom of the boom with machine screws.  I'm not sure how
> well the fasteners would handle the stress and it means drilling holes.  It
> also means removing the sail pack would be an even bigger pain in the
> butt.  I also considered having something in the boom track kinda like a
> slug stop which would allow me to install a pad eye and slide it up and
> down the track to its optimal position before fully tighten the screws to
> lock it in place.  See the attached picture of a slug stop.  I was kinda
> hoping someone made this type of thing (a pad eye anchored in a bolt rope
> track) but all I could find was the harken bat-car system and it is
> designed to mount a track and then have a car ride on the track.  This
> seems costly and adds what seems like considerable clew height.  The clew
> height may be inconsequential since the tack height is normally elevated
> from the boom anyway.
>
> Anybody have any ideas?
>
> Thanks,
> Josh Muckley
> S l/V Sea Hawk
> 1989 C 37+
> Solomons, MD
>
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Re: Stus-List Boom fittings for reefing attachments

[Paul Baker via CnC-List]

You could perhaps find an eye nut that would fit onto a stopper that you 
pictured instead of the knurled nut.
Cheers,
Paul.

Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2016 23:17:44 -0400
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Stus-List Boom fittings for reefing attachments
From: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
CC: muckl...@gmail.com

Ok guys (& gals), 
I just had my boom repainted and as a result this has been a great time to 
rebuild and replace all the associated pieces and parts.  The boom wasn't made 
with any place to attach reefing lines.  Previously I had simply tied them with 
a bowline on a bite around the boom.  It works but I'm a little apprehensive of 
the aesthetics and of the possible chaffing/wear on the new paint.  So I was 
toying with options.  I thought about installing pad eyes on the top or the 
bottom of the boom with machine screws.  I'm not sure how well the fasteners 
would handle the stress and it means drilling holes.  It also means removing 
the sail pack would be an even bigger pain in the butt.  I also considered 
having something in the boom track kinda like a slug stop which would allow me 
to install a pad eye and slide it up and down the track to its optimal position 
before fully tighten the screws to lock it in place.  See the attached picture 
of a slug stop.  I was kinda hoping someone made this type of thing (a pad eye 
anchored in a bolt rope track) but all I could find was the harken bat-car 
system and it is designed to mount a track and then have a car ride on the 
track.  This seems costly and adds what seems like considerable clew height.  
The clew height may be inconsequential since the tack height is normally 
elevated from the boom anyway.
Anybody have any ideas?
Thanks, 

Josh Muckley

S l/V Sea Hawk

1989 C 37+

Solomons, MD



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Stus-List Boom fittings for reefing attachments

[Josh Muckley via CnC-List]

Ok guys (& gals),

I just had my boom repainted and as a result this has been a great time to
rebuild and replace all the associated pieces and parts.  The boom wasn't
made with any place to attach reefing lines.  Previously I had simply tied
them with a bowline on a bite around the boom.  It works but I'm a little
apprehensive of the aesthetics and of the possible chaffing/wear on the new
paint.  So I was toying with options.  I thought about installing pad eyes
on the top or the bottom of the boom with machine screws.  I'm not sure how
well the fasteners would handle the stress and it means drilling holes.  It
also means removing the sail pack would be an even bigger pain in the
butt.  I also considered having something in the boom track kinda like a
slug stop which would allow me to install a pad eye and slide it up and
down the track to its optimal position before fully tighten the screws to
lock it in place.  See the attached picture of a slug stop.  I was kinda
hoping someone made this type of thing (a pad eye anchored in a bolt rope
track) but all I could find was the harken bat-car system and it is
designed to mount a track and then have a car ride on the track.  This
seems costly and adds what seems like considerable clew height.  The clew
height may be inconsequential since the tack height is normally elevated
from the boom anyway.

Anybody have any ideas?

Thanks,
Josh Muckley
S l/V Sea Hawk
1989 C 37+
Solomons, MD
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