Re: Stus-List Boom fittings for reefing attachments
Josh Your idea for single line reef is pretty much the stock setup on the c&c 115. On the 115 it runs inside the boom though to a shiv on the end. I believe there may be some mechanical advantage inside the boom as well but of course cannot see. What we have noted is that there is a lot of friction on this reef line. We think there may be a problem inside the boom but not sure. We have to use a winch to get it reefed and that extra friction of up to the reef cringle (or dogbone) on luff of main adds even more friction. On a fully crewed boat I believe the single line reef system is slower and less effective than the hook at boom. If solo sailing it may be a good idea though Thanks for the chat yesterday. Will be back at the boat after work today. Was below freezing this morning so did not go early Mike From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Rjcasciato via CnC-List Sent: Friday, April 08, 2016 5:33 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Rjcasciato Subject: Re: Stus-List Boom fittings for reefing attachments Josh: If what you're trying to do is use one line to reef both the tack and clew of the Main..that's a lot of force needed for a single line. What's commonly done is to make up a "strap loop" probably 6" long with stainless rings at each end and fed through the tack grommet before sewing the loop closed...Then on the top side of the gooseneck fitting, install a reefing hook ..Then the line reefing is used for the clew portion of the main and when it comes time to reef, you simply lower the main and drop one of the rings over the reefing hook. The other ring keeps the loop from pulling through the cringle. Then tighten the halyard again. Then use the clew reefing line to set the final sail shape. The fitting that mounts on the gooseneck is like this one. http://www.ebay.com/itm/Universal-3-8-Reefing-Hook-Sailboat-Sailing-Hardware-Schaefer-Marine-54-21-New-/172132586166?hash=item2813e6d2b6:g:-TwAAOSwwpdW5YT9&vxp=mtr Best, Ron Casciato From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Josh Muckley via CnC-List Sent: Friday, April 08, 2016 2:24 PM To: C&C List Cc: Josh Muckley Subject: Re: Stus-List Boom fittings for reefing attachments Awesome guys! Thanks everyone for the input. It looks like "that's just the way it is". Nobody in the industry has necessarily come up with anything earth shatteringly better. As I think I eluded to earlier, I'm averse to whimsically drilling holes in the boom. Besides, I'm not sure a track or block necessarily looks cleaner so I'll probably stick with a tied on method. Does anybody have any thoughts on using a soft shackle and an eye splice to attach the reefing lines around the boom? I was also considering a single line reefing system. One challenge is that where most setups have the line exit the boom at the mast and turn up to the reef cringle, my boom is solid on top AND my aversion to drilling holes extends to the mast as well. So if I tried a single line reef, it would have the line turn down to the mast collar (like it did previously) but instead of simply running back to the cabin (winch and jammer), the line would run back up to the reef cringle, and back down on the other side of the boom to another turning block which would lead back to the winch and cleat where it would finish. Thoughts on my plan? Thoughts on single line reefing? I've heard some pretty strong arguments against and only a few advocates. Thanks again, Josh On Apr 8, 2016 1:49 PM, "Martin DeYoung via CnC-List" mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote: >...1 1/4 inch, t track mounted on the side of the boom... Calypso's boom has a similar T track on each side of the boom. I still tie the reefing lines around the boom and have seen very little paint wear. The tracks on Calypso's boom were installed long ago and may also act as stiffeners as the mid boom main sheet attachments are near the tracks. Best regards, Martin Calypso 1971 C&C 43 Seattle -Original Message- From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com<mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com>] On Behalf Of Robbie Epstein via CnC-List Sent: Friday, April 08, 2016 7:48 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> Cc: Robbie Epstein Subject: Re: Stus-List Boom fittings for reefing attachments My 40 has a 1 1/4 inch, t track mounted on the side of the boom with a Schaefer Jiffy reef slide/bail that slides up and down the track so you can position the clew attachment point for multiple mainsail reef points. The reefing line goes through a hook that you use to select which reefing cringle you want to use. Robbie Epstein 1980 C&C 40 ___ This list is supported by the generous d
Re: Stus-List Boom fittings for reefing attachments
Great, thanks...that sounds do-able! And thanks to the others for their input. Always lots of good ideas on this list. Mike Sent wirelessly from my BlackBerry device on the Bell network. Envoyé sans fil par mon terminal mobile BlackBerry sur le réseau de Bell. -Original Message- From: Rjcasciato via CnC-List Sender: "CnC-List" Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2016 18:06:53 To: Reply-To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Rjcasciato Subject: Re: Stus-List Boom fittings for reefing attachments HI Mike: You or your sailmaker can fabricate one..in my case, I bought a piece of 1" wide nylon web strapfor of like the sail ties material. Then I found at West Marine 2 stainless rings about 2" in diameter???/ (Bigger than your sail cringle)I put one ring on the strap and fed both pieces of the strap through the cringleon the other side, I put the second ring on and then overlapped the two ends about an inch and stitched then together with heavy waxed whipping line.I Found a nifty hand stitcher at Harbor Freight for a couple of bucks and that made it easy. So the finished product looks like a floppy dogbone with one ring on each side..that ring simply gets hooked over the reefing hook on the boom end and you're all set to haul up the main halyard.. You'll figure out that after you reef the leech of the sail, you may need to readjust the halyard, but that's boat dependant and crew savvy Good luck, Ron -Original Message- From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Michael Crombie via CnC-List Sent: Friday, April 08, 2016 9:47 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: mcrom...@bell.blackberry.net Subject: Re: Stus-List Boom fittings for reefing attachments Hi Ron, You refer to a "strap loop" that goes through the tack cringle. I think this is exactly what i'm missing! Where do I get one of these? Or how do I make one? For the past two years i've just been trying to hook the cringle onto the reefing hook on the boom...this doesn't work very well and it can damage the sail. Thanks, Mike Atacama 33 mkii Toronto Sent wirelessly from my BlackBerry device on the Bell network. Envoyé sans fil par mon terminal mobile BlackBerry sur le réseau de Bell. ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated! ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated! ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated!
Re: Stus-List Boom fittings for reefing attachments
HI Mike: You or your sailmaker can fabricate one..in my case, I bought a piece of 1" wide nylon web strapfor of like the sail ties material. Then I found at West Marine 2 stainless rings about 2" in diameter???/ (Bigger than your sail cringle)I put one ring on the strap and fed both pieces of the strap through the cringleon the other side, I put the second ring on and then overlapped the two ends about an inch and stitched then together with heavy waxed whipping line.I Found a nifty hand stitcher at Harbor Freight for a couple of bucks and that made it easy. So the finished product looks like a floppy dogbone with one ring on each side..that ring simply gets hooked over the reefing hook on the boom end and you're all set to haul up the main halyard.. You'll figure out that after you reef the leech of the sail, you may need to readjust the halyard, but that's boat dependant and crew savvy Good luck, Ron -Original Message- From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Michael Crombie via CnC-List Sent: Friday, April 08, 2016 9:47 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: mcrom...@bell.blackberry.net Subject: Re: Stus-List Boom fittings for reefing attachments Hi Ron, You refer to a "strap loop" that goes through the tack cringle. I think this is exactly what i'm missing! Where do I get one of these? Or how do I make one? For the past two years i've just been trying to hook the cringle onto the reefing hook on the boom...this doesn't work very well and it can damage the sail. Thanks, Mike Atacama 33 mkii Toronto Sent wirelessly from my BlackBerry device on the Bell network. Envoyé sans fil par mon terminal mobile BlackBerry sur le réseau de Bell. ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated! ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated!
Re: Stus-List Boom fittings for reefing attachments
Youb can quite easily make one. Have a look at the video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91YlX4MRv3Q Marek -Original Message- From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Michael Crombie via CnC-List Sent: Friday, April 08, 2016 21:47 To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: mcrom...@bell.blackberry.net Subject: Re: Stus-List Boom fittings for reefing attachments Hi Ron, You refer to a "strap loop" that goes through the tack cringle. I think this is exactly what i'm missing! Where do I get one of these? Or how do I make one? For the past two years i've just been trying to hook the cringle onto the reefing hook on the boom...this doesn't work very well and it can damage the sail. Thanks, Mike Atacama 33 mkii Toronto Sent wirelessly from my BlackBerry device on the Bell network. Envoyé sans fil par mon terminal mobile BlackBerry sur le réseau de Bell. ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated! ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated!
Re: Stus-List Boom fittings for reefing attachments
When I had my mainsail made I had the sail maker include the dogbones (strops) in both reef cringles and I had him add a web nylon handle above the cringles so that you can pull the sail and control its movement while setting the dogbone. I have considered making my dogbones longer by removing the strop from the rings and just using amsteel to tie the rings on either side of the cringle. I already have a 4:1 cunningham so an extension of the idea above would be to have the length of amsteel long enough to hook the horn opposite of the cunningham then set the cunningham hook in the eye that is sticking through the cringle. Now when you pull the cunningham you get a 8:1 advantage as well as a lot of flexibility for tack height. One concern is that this orientation may not hold the tack in position fore and aft relative to the horns. So if you absolutely want strops you'll have to get your sail maker to add them. Josh Muckley S/V Sea Hawk 1989 C&C 37+ Solomons, MD ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated!
Re: Stus-List Boom fittings for reefing attachments
You could also use your Cunningham. You have one? On Fri, Apr 8, 2016, 6:47 PM Michael Crombie via CnC-List < cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > Hi Ron, > > You refer to a "strap loop" that goes through the tack cringle. I think > this is exactly what i'm missing! Where do I get one of these? Or how do I > make one? > > For the past two years i've just been trying to hook the cringle onto the > reefing hook on the boom...this doesn't work very well and it can damage > the sail. > > Thanks, > > Mike > Atacama 33 mkii > Toronto > Sent wirelessly from my BlackBerry device on the Bell network. > Envoyé sans fil par mon terminal mobile BlackBerry sur le réseau de Bell. > ___ > > This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you > like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All > Contributions are greatly appreciated! > ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated!
Re: Stus-List Boom fittings for reefing attachments
Hi Ron, You refer to a "strap loop" that goes through the tack cringle. I think this is exactly what i'm missing! Where do I get one of these? Or how do I make one? For the past two years i've just been trying to hook the cringle onto the reefing hook on the boom...this doesn't work very well and it can damage the sail. Thanks, Mike Atacama 33 mkii Toronto Sent wirelessly from my BlackBerry device on the Bell network. Envoyé sans fil par mon terminal mobile BlackBerry sur le réseau de Bell. ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated!
Re: Stus-List Boom fittings for reefing attachments
Thanks Ron, That's pretty much how I do it now. I just keep thinking there might be something better... Guess not. Josh On Apr 8, 2016 4:33 PM, "Rjcasciato via CnC-List" wrote: > Josh: > > If what you’re trying to do is use one line to reef both the tack and clew > of the Main……….that’s a lot of force needed for a single line. What’s > commonly done is to make up a “strap loop” probably 6” long with stainless > rings at each end and fed through the tack grommet before sewing the loop > closed…Then on the top side of the gooseneck fitting, install a reefing > hook ……Then the line reefing is used for the clew portion of the main and > when it comes time to reef, you simply lower the main and drop one of the > rings over the reefing hook. The other ring keeps the loop from pulling > through the cringle. Then tighten the halyard again. > > > > Then use the clew reefing line to set the final sail shape. > > > > The fitting that mounts on the gooseneck is like this one……… > http://www.ebay.com/itm/Universal-3-8-Reefing-Hook-Sailboat-Sailing-Hardware-Schaefer-Marine-54-21-New-/172132586166?hash=item2813e6d2b6:g:-TwAAOSwwpdW5YT9&vxp=mtr > > > > > Best, > > > > Ron Casciato > > > > > > > -- > > *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh > Muckley via CnC-List > *Sent:* Friday, April 08, 2016 2:24 PM > *To:* C&C List > *Cc:* Josh Muckley > *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Boom fittings for reefing attachments > > > > Awesome guys! Thanks everyone for the input. It looks like "that's just > the way it is". Nobody in the industry has necessarily come up with > anything earth shatteringly better. > > As I think I eluded to earlier, I'm averse to whimsically drilling holes > in the boom. Besides, I'm not sure a track or block necessarily looks > cleaner so I'll probably stick with a tied on method. > > Does anybody have any thoughts on using a soft shackle and an eye splice > to attach the reefing lines around the boom? > > I was also considering a single line reefing system. One challenge is > that where most setups have the line exit the boom at the mast and turn up > to the reef cringle, my boom is solid on top AND my aversion to drilling > holes extends to the mast as well. So if I tried a single line reef, it > would have the line turn down to the mast collar (like it did previously) > but instead of simply running back to the cabin (winch and jammer), the > line would run back up to the reef cringle, and back down on the other side > of the boom to another turning block which would lead back to the winch and > cleat where it would finish. > > Thoughts on my plan? > > Thoughts on single line reefing? I've heard some pretty strong arguments > against and only a few advocates. > > Thanks again, > Josh > > On Apr 8, 2016 1:49 PM, "Martin DeYoung via CnC-List" < > cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > > >...1 1/4 inch, t track mounted on the side of the boom... > > Calypso's boom has a similar T track on each side of the boom. I still > tie the reefing lines around the boom and have seen very little paint wear. > > The tracks on Calypso's boom were installed long ago and may also act as > stiffeners as the mid boom main sheet attachments are near the tracks. > > Best regards, > > Martin > Calypso > 1971 C&C 43 > Seattle > > -Original Message- > From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Robbie > Epstein via CnC-List > Sent: Friday, April 08, 2016 7:48 AM > To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com > Cc: Robbie Epstein > Subject: Re: Stus-List Boom fittings for reefing attachments > > My 40 has a 1 1/4 inch, t track mounted on the side of the boom with a > Schaefer Jiffy reef slide/bail that slides up and down the track so you can > position the clew attachment point for multiple mainsail reef points. The > reefing line goes through a hook that you use to select which reefing > cringle you want to use. > > Robbie Epstein > > 1980 C&C 40 > > > ___ > > This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you > like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All > Contributions are greatly appreciated! > > ___ > > This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you > like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All > Contributions are greatly appreciated! > > ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated!
Re: Stus-List Boom fittings for reefing attachments
Josh: If what you're trying to do is use one line to reef both the tack and clew of the Mainthat's a lot of force needed for a single line. What's commonly done is to make up a "strap loop" probably 6" long with stainless rings at each end and fed through the tack grommet before sewing the loop closed.Then on the top side of the gooseneck fitting, install a reefing hook ..Then the line reefing is used for the clew portion of the main and when it comes time to reef, you simply lower the main and drop one of the rings over the reefing hook. The other ring keeps the loop from pulling through the cringle. Then tighten the halyard again. Then use the clew reefing line to set the final sail shape. The fitting that mounts on the gooseneck is like this one... http://www.ebay.com/itm/Universal-3-8-Reefing-Hook-Sailboat-Sailing-Hardware -Schaefer-Marine-54-21-New-/172132586166?hash=item2813e6d2b6:g:-TwAAOSwwpdW5 YT9 <http://www.ebay.com/itm/Universal-3-8-Reefing-Hook-Sailboat-Sailing-Hardwar e-Schaefer-Marine-54-21-New-/172132586166?hash=item2813e6d2b6:g:-TwAAOSwwpdW 5YT9&vxp=mtr> &vxp=mtr Best, Ron Casciato _ From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Josh Muckley via CnC-List Sent: Friday, April 08, 2016 2:24 PM To: C&C List Cc: Josh Muckley Subject: Re: Stus-List Boom fittings for reefing attachments Awesome guys! Thanks everyone for the input. It looks like "that's just the way it is". Nobody in the industry has necessarily come up with anything earth shatteringly better. As I think I eluded to earlier, I'm averse to whimsically drilling holes in the boom. Besides, I'm not sure a track or block necessarily looks cleaner so I'll probably stick with a tied on method. Does anybody have any thoughts on using a soft shackle and an eye splice to attach the reefing lines around the boom? I was also considering a single line reefing system. One challenge is that where most setups have the line exit the boom at the mast and turn up to the reef cringle, my boom is solid on top AND my aversion to drilling holes extends to the mast as well. So if I tried a single line reef, it would have the line turn down to the mast collar (like it did previously) but instead of simply running back to the cabin (winch and jammer), the line would run back up to the reef cringle, and back down on the other side of the boom to another turning block which would lead back to the winch and cleat where it would finish. Thoughts on my plan? Thoughts on single line reefing? I've heard some pretty strong arguments against and only a few advocates. Thanks again, Josh On Apr 8, 2016 1:49 PM, "Martin DeYoung via CnC-List" wrote: >...1 1/4 inch, t track mounted on the side of the boom... Calypso's boom has a similar T track on each side of the boom. I still tie the reefing lines around the boom and have seen very little paint wear. The tracks on Calypso's boom were installed long ago and may also act as stiffeners as the mid boom main sheet attachments are near the tracks. Best regards, Martin Calypso 1971 C&C 43 Seattle -Original Message- From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Robbie Epstein via CnC-List Sent: Friday, April 08, 2016 7:48 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Robbie Epstein Subject: Re: Stus-List Boom fittings for reefing attachments My 40 has a 1 1/4 inch, t track mounted on the side of the boom with a Schaefer Jiffy reef slide/bail that slides up and down the track so you can position the clew attachment point for multiple mainsail reef points. The reefing line goes through a hook that you use to select which reefing cringle you want to use. Robbie Epstein 1980 C&C 40 ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated! ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated!
Re: Stus-List Boom fittings for reefing attachments
If you draw that out I believe it’s 3 X 180 degree turn, 3 X 90 degree turn and one nominal 30 degree deflection. Personally I would opt for 2 line but I’m biased toward that anyway. John > On Apr 8, 2016, at 2:50 PM, Marek Dziedzic (hotmail) via CnC-List > wrote: > > My single line reefing works almost exactly as you describe (at the mast end, > the line goes down to the mast collar, then up to the reefing cringle > (actually a dog bone there)). The only difference is that I have a car inside > the boom, so the line is split. It works just fine. You can reef from the > cockpit, without leaving it. The real main advantage is that you just crank > it up and eventually it is done; no need to adjust this then something else. > This might be an advantage for larger sails (larger boats). > > Not that I am a single-line reefing advocate (or that the fact that I use it > is an argument for it). > > The main arguments for two-line reefing is that it is simpler; does not > require any modifications to the boom and potentially allows for a better > shape of the reefed sail. You don’t even need a line up front if you have a > gooseneck reefing hook. > > Marek > > From: Josh Muckley via CnC-List <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > Sent: Friday, April 8, 2016 14:24 > To: C&C List <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > Cc: Josh Muckley <mailto:muckl...@gmail.com> > Subject: Re: Stus-List Boom fittings for reefing attachments > > Awesome guys! Thanks everyone for the input. It looks like "that's just the > way it is". Nobody in the industry has necessarily come up with anything > earth shatteringly better. > As I think I eluded to earlier, I'm averse to whimsically drilling holes in > the boom. Besides, I'm not sure a track or block necessarily looks cleaner so > I'll probably stick with a tied on method. > Does anybody have any thoughts on using a soft shackle and an eye splice to > attach the reefing lines around the boom? > I was also considering a single line reefing system. One challenge is that > where most setups have the line exit the boom at the mast and turn up to the > reef cringle, my boom is solid on top AND my aversion to drilling holes > extends to the mast as well. So if I tried a single line reef, it would have > the line turn down to the mast collar (like it did previously) but instead of > simply running back to the cabin (winch and jammer), the line would run back > up to the reef cringle, and back down on the other side of the boom to > another turning block which would lead back to the winch and cleat where it > would finish. > Thoughts on my plan? > Thoughts on single line reefing? I've heard some pretty strong arguments > against and only a few advocates. > Thanks again, > Josh > On Apr 8, 2016 1:49 PM, "Martin DeYoung via CnC-List" <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote: >> >...1 1/4 inch, t track mounted on the side of the boom... >> >> Calypso's boom has a similar T track on each side of the boom. I still tie >> the reefing lines around the boom and have seen very little paint wear. >> >> The tracks on Calypso's boom were installed long ago and may also act as >> stiffeners as the mid boom main sheet attachments are near the tracks. >> >> Best regards, >> >> Martin >> Calypso >> 1971 C&C 43 >> Seattle >> >> -Original Message- >> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com >> <mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com>] On Behalf Of Robbie Epstein via >> CnC-List >> Sent: Friday, April 08, 2016 7:48 AM >> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> >> Cc: Robbie Epstein >> Subject: Re: Stus-List Boom fittings for reefing attachments >> >> My 40 has a 1 1/4 inch, t track mounted on the side of the boom with a >> Schaefer Jiffy reef slide/bail that slides up and down the track so you can >> position the clew attachment point for multiple mainsail reef points. The >> reefing line goes through a hook that you use to select which reefing >> cringle you want to use. >> >> Robbie Epstein >> >> 1980 C&C 40 >> >> >> ___ >> >> This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like >> what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions >> are greatly appreciated! > ___ > > This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like > what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions > are greatly appreciated! ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated!
Re: Stus-List Boom fittings for reefing attachments
My single line reefing works almost exactly as you describe (at the mast end, the line goes down to the mast collar, then up to the reefing cringle (actually a dog bone there)). The only difference is that I have a car inside the boom, so the line is split. It works just fine. You can reef from the cockpit, without leaving it. The real main advantage is that you just crank it up and eventually it is done; no need to adjust this then something else. This might be an advantage for larger sails (larger boats). Not that I am a single-line reefing advocate (or that the fact that I use it is an argument for it). The main arguments for two-line reefing is that it is simpler; does not require any modifications to the boom and potentially allows for a better shape of the reefed sail. You don’t even need a line up front if you have a gooseneck reefing hook. Marek From: Josh Muckley via CnC-List Sent: Friday, April 8, 2016 14:24 To: C&C List Cc: Josh Muckley Subject: Re: Stus-List Boom fittings for reefing attachments Awesome guys! Thanks everyone for the input. It looks like "that's just the way it is". Nobody in the industry has necessarily come up with anything earth shatteringly better. As I think I eluded to earlier, I'm averse to whimsically drilling holes in the boom. Besides, I'm not sure a track or block necessarily looks cleaner so I'll probably stick with a tied on method. Does anybody have any thoughts on using a soft shackle and an eye splice to attach the reefing lines around the boom? I was also considering a single line reefing system. One challenge is that where most setups have the line exit the boom at the mast and turn up to the reef cringle, my boom is solid on top AND my aversion to drilling holes extends to the mast as well. So if I tried a single line reef, it would have the line turn down to the mast collar (like it did previously) but instead of simply running back to the cabin (winch and jammer), the line would run back up to the reef cringle, and back down on the other side of the boom to another turning block which would lead back to the winch and cleat where it would finish. Thoughts on my plan? Thoughts on single line reefing? I've heard some pretty strong arguments against and only a few advocates. Thanks again, Josh On Apr 8, 2016 1:49 PM, "Martin DeYoung via CnC-List" wrote: >...1 1/4 inch, t track mounted on the side of the boom... Calypso's boom has a similar T track on each side of the boom. I still tie the reefing lines around the boom and have seen very little paint wear. The tracks on Calypso's boom were installed long ago and may also act as stiffeners as the mid boom main sheet attachments are near the tracks. Best regards, Martin Calypso 1971 C&C 43 Seattle -Original Message- From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Robbie Epstein via CnC-List Sent: Friday, April 08, 2016 7:48 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Robbie Epstein Subject: Re: Stus-List Boom fittings for reefing attachments My 40 has a 1 1/4 inch, t track mounted on the side of the boom with a Schaefer Jiffy reef slide/bail that slides up and down the track so you can position the clew attachment point for multiple mainsail reef points. The reefing line goes through a hook that you use to select which reefing cringle you want to use. Robbie Epstein 1980 C&C 40 ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated! ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated!
Re: Stus-List Boom fittings for reefing attachments
Not too keen on the single line reefing arrangement. You're adding another 180 degree bend into a system that is already loaded with friction. I do have single line reefing and with a block at the luff and an electric winch it's fine for the first reef, marginal for the second. John Sent from my iPad > On Apr 8, 2016, at 2:23 PM, Josh Muckley via CnC-List > wrote: > > Awesome guys! Thanks everyone for the input. It looks like "that's just the > way it is". Nobody in the industry has necessarily come up with anything > earth shatteringly better. > > As I think I eluded to earlier, I'm averse to whimsically drilling holes in > the boom. Besides, I'm not sure a track or block necessarily looks cleaner > so I'll probably stick with a tied on method. > > Does anybody have any thoughts on using a soft shackle and an eye splice to > attach the reefing lines around the boom? > > I was also considering a single line reefing system. One challenge is that > where most setups have the line exit the boom at the mast and turn up to the > reef cringle, my boom is solid on top AND my aversion to drilling holes > extends to the mast as well. So if I tried a single line reef, it would have > the line turn down to the mast collar (like it did previously) but instead of > simply running back to the cabin (winch and jammer), the line would run back > up to the reef cringle, and back down on the other side of the boom to > another turning block which would lead back to the winch and cleat where it > would finish. > > Thoughts on my plan? > > Thoughts on single line reefing? I've heard some pretty strong arguments > against and only a few advocates. > > Thanks again, > Josh > >> On Apr 8, 2016 1:49 PM, "Martin DeYoung via CnC-List" >> wrote: >> >...1 1/4 inch, t track mounted on the side of the boom... >> >> Calypso's boom has a similar T track on each side of the boom. I still tie >> the reefing lines around the boom and have seen very little paint wear. >> >> The tracks on Calypso's boom were installed long ago and may also act as >> stiffeners as the mid boom main sheet attachments are near the tracks. >> >> Best regards, >> >> Martin >> Calypso >> 1971 C&C 43 >> Seattle >> >> -Original Message- >> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Robbie >> Epstein via CnC-List >> Sent: Friday, April 08, 2016 7:48 AM >> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com >> Cc: Robbie Epstein >> Subject: Re: Stus-List Boom fittings for reefing attachments >> >> My 40 has a 1 1/4 inch, t track mounted on the side of the boom with a >> Schaefer Jiffy reef slide/bail that slides up and down the track so you can >> position the clew attachment point for multiple mainsail reef points. The >> reefing line goes through a hook that you use to select which reefing >> cringle you want to use. >> >> Robbie Epstein >> >> 1980 C&C 40 >> >> >> ___ >> >> This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like >> what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions >> are greatly appreciated! > ___ > > This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like > what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions > are greatly appreciated! ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated!
Re: Stus-List Boom fittings for reefing attachments
Awesome guys! Thanks everyone for the input. It looks like "that's just the way it is". Nobody in the industry has necessarily come up with anything earth shatteringly better. As I think I eluded to earlier, I'm averse to whimsically drilling holes in the boom. Besides, I'm not sure a track or block necessarily looks cleaner so I'll probably stick with a tied on method. Does anybody have any thoughts on using a soft shackle and an eye splice to attach the reefing lines around the boom? I was also considering a single line reefing system. One challenge is that where most setups have the line exit the boom at the mast and turn up to the reef cringle, my boom is solid on top AND my aversion to drilling holes extends to the mast as well. So if I tried a single line reef, it would have the line turn down to the mast collar (like it did previously) but instead of simply running back to the cabin (winch and jammer), the line would run back up to the reef cringle, and back down on the other side of the boom to another turning block which would lead back to the winch and cleat where it would finish. Thoughts on my plan? Thoughts on single line reefing? I've heard some pretty strong arguments against and only a few advocates. Thanks again, Josh On Apr 8, 2016 1:49 PM, "Martin DeYoung via CnC-List" wrote: > >...1 1/4 inch, t track mounted on the side of the boom... > > Calypso's boom has a similar T track on each side of the boom. I still > tie the reefing lines around the boom and have seen very little paint wear. > > The tracks on Calypso's boom were installed long ago and may also act as > stiffeners as the mid boom main sheet attachments are near the tracks. > > Best regards, > > Martin > Calypso > 1971 C&C 43 > Seattle > > -Original Message- > From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Robbie > Epstein via CnC-List > Sent: Friday, April 08, 2016 7:48 AM > To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com > Cc: Robbie Epstein > Subject: Re: Stus-List Boom fittings for reefing attachments > > My 40 has a 1 1/4 inch, t track mounted on the side of the boom with a > Schaefer Jiffy reef slide/bail that slides up and down the track so you can > position the clew attachment point for multiple mainsail reef points. The > reefing line goes through a hook that you use to select which reefing > cringle you want to use. > > Robbie Epstein > > 1980 C&C 40 > > > ___ > > This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you > like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All > Contributions are greatly appreciated! > ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated!
Re: Stus-List Boom fittings for reefing attachments
>...1 1/4 inch, t track mounted on the side of the boom... Calypso's boom has a similar T track on each side of the boom. I still tie the reefing lines around the boom and have seen very little paint wear. The tracks on Calypso's boom were installed long ago and may also act as stiffeners as the mid boom main sheet attachments are near the tracks. Best regards, Martin Calypso 1971 C&C 43 Seattle -Original Message- From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Robbie Epstein via CnC-List Sent: Friday, April 08, 2016 7:48 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Robbie Epstein Subject: Re: Stus-List Boom fittings for reefing attachments My 40 has a 1 1/4 inch, t track mounted on the side of the boom with a Schaefer Jiffy reef slide/bail that slides up and down the track so you can position the clew attachment point for multiple mainsail reef points. The reefing line goes through a hook that you use to select which reefing cringle you want to use. Robbie Epstein 1980 C&C 40 ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated!
Re: Stus-List Boom fittings for reefing attachments
The only thing I would suggest is to use some pad-eye under the boom or some other way to make sure that the line around the boom cannot slide forward. It has to work as an outhaul, as well. Marek C270 “Legato” Ottawa, ON From: Michael Brown via CnC-List Sent: Friday, April 8, 2016 10:41 To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Michael Brown Subject: Re: Stus-List Boom fittings for reefing attachments At a recent LOOR night Geoff Moore from North Sails spoke about sails and trim for the "offshore" races. His recommendation was to have the reefing line tied around the boom. Michael Brown Windburn C&C 30-1 Josh The 2007 C&C115 that we race and the 2008 C&C99 that I sail on both are just tied around the boom. I think that more or less says this is still how it is done. Our own ancient Frers 33 also tied around a painted boom. No wear on paint on the two C&Cs and the wear I see on the Frers boom is not from the reef line. Mike Persistence 1987 Frers 33 Halifax, NS ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated!
Re: Stus-List Boom fittings for reefing attachments
My 40 has a 1 1/4 inch, t track mounted on the side of the boom with a Schaefer Jiffy reef slide/bail that slides up and down the track so you can position the clew attachment point for multiple mainsail reef points. The reefing line goes through a hook that you use to select which reefing cringle you want to use. Robbie Epstein 1980 C&C 40 -Original Message- From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of cnc-list-requ...@cnc-list.com Sent: Friday, April 8, 2016 9:19 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: CnC-List Digest, Vol 123, Issue 41 Send CnC-List mailing list submissions to cnc-list@cnc-list.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to cnc-list-requ...@cnc-list.com You can reach the person managing the list at cnc-list-ow...@cnc-list.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of CnC-List digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: Boom fittings for reefing attachments (Hoyt, Mike) 2. Re: Ground loop? (Ryan Doyle) 3. Re: Boom fittings for reefing attachments (Gary Nylander) 4. Re: Ground loop? (Frederick G Street) -- Message: 1 Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2016 12:49:10 + From: "Hoyt, Mike" To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" Subject: Re: Stus-List Boom fittings for reefing attachments Message-ID: <169e312f80b4c044be2dc1780a7de72f130...@hfxexc11.impgroup.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Josh The 2007 C&C115 that we race and the 2008 C&C99 that I sail on both are just tied around the boom. I think that more or less says this is still how it is done. Our own ancient Frers 33 also tied around a painted boom. No wear on paint on the two C&Cs and the wear I see on the Frers boom is not from the reef line. Mike Persistence 1987 Frers 33 Halifax, NS In the water since Monday! From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Josh Muckley via CnC-List Sent: Friday, April 08, 2016 5:46 AM To: C&C List Cc: Josh Muckley Subject: Re: Stus-List Boom fittings for reefing attachments Yeah Paul, I had considered doing that. I also considered having a single piece of rod drilled and tapped at the correct distance for my selected pad eye fitting. I'm just kinda trying to figure out what others do. Everybody else just tie it to the boom? Thanks for the idea, lets keep 'em coming. Josh On Apr 8, 2016 1:37 AM, "Paul Baker via CnC-List" mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote: You could perhaps find an eye nut that would fit onto a stopper that you pictured instead of the knurled nut. Cheers, Paul. Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2016 23:17:44 -0400 To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> Subject: Stus-List Boom fittings for reefing attachments From: cnc-list@cnc-list.com<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> CC: muckl...@gmail.com<mailto:muckl...@gmail.com> Ok guys (& gals), I just had my boom repainted and as a result this has been a great time to rebuild and replace all the associated pieces and parts. The boom wasn't made with any place to attach reefing lines. Previously I had simply tied them with a bowline on a bite around the boom. It works but I'm a little apprehensive of the aesthetics and of the possible chaffing/wear on the new paint. So I was toying with options. I thought about installing pad eyes on the top or the bottom of the boom with machine screws. I'm not sure how well the fasteners would handle the stress and it means drilling holes. It also means removing the sail pack would be an even bigger pain in the butt. I also considered having something in the boom track kinda like a slug stop which would allow me to install a pad eye and slide it up and down the track to its optimal position before fully tighten the screws to lock it in place. See the attached picture of a slug stop. I was kinda hoping someone made this type of thing (a pad eye anchored in a bolt rope track) but all I could find was the harken bat-car system and it is designed to mount a track and then have a car ride on the track. This seems costly and adds what seems like considerable clew height. The clew height may be inconsequential since the tack height is normally elevated from the boom anyway. Anybody have any ideas? Thanks, Josh Muckley S l/V Sea Hawk 1989 C&C 37+ Solomons, MD ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated! ___ This list is supported by th
Re: Stus-List Boom fittings for reefing attachments
At a recent LOOR night Geoff Moore from North Sails spoke about sails and trim for the "offshore" races. His recommendation was to have the reefing line tied around the boom. Michael Brown Windburn C&C 30-1 Josh The 2007 C&C115 that we race and the 2008 C&C99 that I sail on both are just tied around the boom. I think that more or less says this is still how it is done. Our own ancient Frers 33 also tied around a painted boom. No wear on paint on the two C&Cs and the wear I see on the Frers boom is not from the reef line. Mike Persistence 1987 Frers 33 Halifax, NS ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated!
Re: Stus-List Boom fittings for reefing attachments
What Gary describes is exactly how the reeling is configured on the booms of both my 38 and my 25. The only thing I might add to his description is that the pad eye and blocks are not directly under the reef cringles, but a couple of inches aft of that. The reef line not only holds the cringles down, it tensions the new foot of the reefed sail. Rick Brass Sent from my iPad > On Apr 8, 2016, at 10:02, Gary Nylander via CnC-List > wrote: > > On my ancient 30-1, the factory installed two stout pad-eyes on the port side > of the boom and two cheek blocks on the opposite side. Reefing line(s) run > from pad-eye up through cringle in sail, down to cheek block and then forward > to a winch on the starboard side of the boom. This assures that the reefed > foot of the sail is pulled taut against the boom. A bit ugly, but effective > in keeping the sail flat. > > Gary > > From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Josh > Muckley via CnC-List > Sent: Thursday, April 7, 2016 11:18 PM > To: C&C List > Cc: Josh Muckley > Subject: Stus-List Boom fittings for reefing attachments > > Ok guys (& gals), > > I just had my boom repainted and as a result this has been a great time to > rebuild and replace all the associated pieces and parts. The boom wasn't > made with any place to attach reefing lines. Previously I had simply tied > them with a bowline on a bite around the boom. It works but I'm a little > apprehensive of the aesthetics and of the possible chaffing/wear on the new > paint. So I was toying with options. I thought about installing pad eyes on > the top or the bottom of the boom with machine screws. I'm not sure how well > the fasteners would handle the stress and it means drilling holes. It also > means removing the sail pack would be an even bigger pain in the butt. I > also considered having something in the boom track kinda like a slug stop > which would allow me to install a pad eye and slide it up and down the track > to its optimal position before fully tighten the screws to lock it in place. > See the attached picture of a slug stop. I was kinda hoping someone made > this type of thing (a pad eye anchored in a bolt rope track) but all I could > find was the harken bat-car system and it is designed to mount a track and > then have a car ride on the track. This seems costly and adds what seems > like considerable clew height. The clew height may be inconsequential since > the tack height is normally elevated from the boom anyway. > > Anybody have any ideas? > > Thanks, > Josh Muckley > S l/V Sea Hawk > 1989 C&C 37+ > Solomons, MD > > ___ > > This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like > what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions > are greatly appreciated! ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated!
Re: Stus-List Boom fittings for reefing attachments
On my ancient 30-1, the factory installed two stout pad-eyes on the port side of the boom and two cheek blocks on the opposite side. Reefing line(s) run from pad-eye up through cringle in sail, down to cheek block and then forward to a winch on the starboard side of the boom. This assures that the reefed foot of the sail is pulled taut against the boom. A bit ugly, but effective in keeping the sail flat. Gary From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Josh Muckley via CnC-List Sent: Thursday, April 7, 2016 11:18 PM To: C&C List Cc: Josh Muckley Subject: Stus-List Boom fittings for reefing attachments Ok guys (& gals), I just had my boom repainted and as a result this has been a great time to rebuild and replace all the associated pieces and parts. The boom wasn't made with any place to attach reefing lines. Previously I had simply tied them with a bowline on a bite around the boom. It works but I'm a little apprehensive of the aesthetics and of the possible chaffing/wear on the new paint. So I was toying with options. I thought about installing pad eyes on the top or the bottom of the boom with machine screws. I'm not sure how well the fasteners would handle the stress and it means drilling holes. It also means removing the sail pack would be an even bigger pain in the butt. I also considered having something in the boom track kinda like a slug stop which would allow me to install a pad eye and slide it up and down the track to its optimal position before fully tighten the screws to lock it in place. See the attached picture of a slug stop. I was kinda hoping someone made this type of thing (a pad eye anchored in a bolt rope track) but all I could find was the harken bat-car system and it is designed to mount a track and then have a car ride on the track. This seems costly and adds what seems like considerable clew height. The clew height may be inconsequential since the tack height is normally elevated from the boom anyway. Anybody have any ideas? Thanks, Josh Muckley S l/V Sea Hawk 1989 C&C 37+ Solomons, MD ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated!
Re: Stus-List Boom fittings for reefing attachments
Josh The 2007 C&C115 that we race and the 2008 C&C99 that I sail on both are just tied around the boom. I think that more or less says this is still how it is done. Our own ancient Frers 33 also tied around a painted boom. No wear on paint on the two C&Cs and the wear I see on the Frers boom is not from the reef line. Mike Persistence 1987 Frers 33 Halifax, NS In the water since Monday! From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Josh Muckley via CnC-List Sent: Friday, April 08, 2016 5:46 AM To: C&C List Cc: Josh Muckley Subject: Re: Stus-List Boom fittings for reefing attachments Yeah Paul, I had considered doing that. I also considered having a single piece of rod drilled and tapped at the correct distance for my selected pad eye fitting. I'm just kinda trying to figure out what others do. Everybody else just tie it to the boom? Thanks for the idea, lets keep 'em coming. Josh On Apr 8, 2016 1:37 AM, "Paul Baker via CnC-List" mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote: You could perhaps find an eye nut that would fit onto a stopper that you pictured instead of the knurled nut. Cheers, Paul. Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2016 23:17:44 -0400 To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> Subject: Stus-List Boom fittings for reefing attachments From: cnc-list@cnc-list.com<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> CC: muckl...@gmail.com<mailto:muckl...@gmail.com> Ok guys (& gals), I just had my boom repainted and as a result this has been a great time to rebuild and replace all the associated pieces and parts. The boom wasn't made with any place to attach reefing lines. Previously I had simply tied them with a bowline on a bite around the boom. It works but I'm a little apprehensive of the aesthetics and of the possible chaffing/wear on the new paint. So I was toying with options. I thought about installing pad eyes on the top or the bottom of the boom with machine screws. I'm not sure how well the fasteners would handle the stress and it means drilling holes. It also means removing the sail pack would be an even bigger pain in the butt. I also considered having something in the boom track kinda like a slug stop which would allow me to install a pad eye and slide it up and down the track to its optimal position before fully tighten the screws to lock it in place. See the attached picture of a slug stop. I was kinda hoping someone made this type of thing (a pad eye anchored in a bolt rope track) but all I could find was the harken bat-car system and it is designed to mount a track and then have a car ride on the track. This seems costly and adds what seems like considerable clew height. The clew height may be inconsequential since the tack height is normally elevated from the boom anyway. Anybody have any ideas? Thanks, Josh Muckley S l/V Sea Hawk 1989 C&C 37+ Solomons, MD ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated! ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated! ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated!
Re: Stus-List Boom fittings for reefing attachments
Yeah Paul, I had considered doing that. I also considered having a single piece of rod drilled and tapped at the correct distance for my selected pad eye fitting. I'm just kinda trying to figure out what others do. Everybody else just tie it to the boom? Thanks for the idea, lets keep 'em coming. Josh On Apr 8, 2016 1:37 AM, "Paul Baker via CnC-List" wrote: > You could perhaps find an eye nut that would fit onto a stopper that you > pictured instead of the knurled nut. > Cheers, > Paul. > > -- > Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2016 23:17:44 -0400 > To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com > Subject: Stus-List Boom fittings for reefing attachments > From: cnc-list@cnc-list.com > CC: muckl...@gmail.com > > Ok guys (& gals), > > I just had my boom repainted and as a result this has been a great time to > rebuild and replace all the associated pieces and parts. The boom wasn't > made with any place to attach reefing lines. Previously I had simply tied > them with a bowline on a bite around the boom. It works but I'm a little > apprehensive of the aesthetics and of the possible chaffing/wear on the new > paint. So I was toying with options. I thought about installing pad eyes > on the top or the bottom of the boom with machine screws. I'm not sure how > well the fasteners would handle the stress and it means drilling holes. It > also means removing the sail pack would be an even bigger pain in the > butt. I also considered having something in the boom track kinda like a > slug stop which would allow me to install a pad eye and slide it up and > down the track to its optimal position before fully tighten the screws to > lock it in place. See the attached picture of a slug stop. I was kinda > hoping someone made this type of thing (a pad eye anchored in a bolt rope > track) but all I could find was the harken bat-car system and it is > designed to mount a track and then have a car ride on the track. This > seems costly and adds what seems like considerable clew height. The clew > height may be inconsequential since the tack height is normally elevated > from the boom anyway. > > Anybody have any ideas? > > Thanks, > Josh Muckley > S l/V Sea Hawk > 1989 C&C 37+ > Solomons, MD > > ___ This list is supported by > the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help > us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated! > > ___ > > This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you > like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All > Contributions are greatly appreciated! > > ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated!
Re: Stus-List Boom fittings for reefing attachments
You could perhaps find an eye nut that would fit onto a stopper that you pictured instead of the knurled nut. Cheers, Paul. Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2016 23:17:44 -0400 To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Stus-List Boom fittings for reefing attachments From: cnc-list@cnc-list.com CC: muckl...@gmail.com Ok guys (& gals), I just had my boom repainted and as a result this has been a great time to rebuild and replace all the associated pieces and parts. The boom wasn't made with any place to attach reefing lines. Previously I had simply tied them with a bowline on a bite around the boom. It works but I'm a little apprehensive of the aesthetics and of the possible chaffing/wear on the new paint. So I was toying with options. I thought about installing pad eyes on the top or the bottom of the boom with machine screws. I'm not sure how well the fasteners would handle the stress and it means drilling holes. It also means removing the sail pack would be an even bigger pain in the butt. I also considered having something in the boom track kinda like a slug stop which would allow me to install a pad eye and slide it up and down the track to its optimal position before fully tighten the screws to lock it in place. See the attached picture of a slug stop. I was kinda hoping someone made this type of thing (a pad eye anchored in a bolt rope track) but all I could find was the harken bat-car system and it is designed to mount a track and then have a car ride on the track. This seems costly and adds what seems like considerable clew height. The clew height may be inconsequential since the tack height is normally elevated from the boom anyway. Anybody have any ideas? Thanks, Josh Muckley S l/V Sea Hawk 1989 C&C 37+ Solomons, MD ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated! ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated!
Stus-List Boom fittings for reefing attachments
Ok guys (& gals), I just had my boom repainted and as a result this has been a great time to rebuild and replace all the associated pieces and parts. The boom wasn't made with any place to attach reefing lines. Previously I had simply tied them with a bowline on a bite around the boom. It works but I'm a little apprehensive of the aesthetics and of the possible chaffing/wear on the new paint. So I was toying with options. I thought about installing pad eyes on the top or the bottom of the boom with machine screws. I'm not sure how well the fasteners would handle the stress and it means drilling holes. It also means removing the sail pack would be an even bigger pain in the butt. I also considered having something in the boom track kinda like a slug stop which would allow me to install a pad eye and slide it up and down the track to its optimal position before fully tighten the screws to lock it in place. See the attached picture of a slug stop. I was kinda hoping someone made this type of thing (a pad eye anchored in a bolt rope track) but all I could find was the harken bat-car system and it is designed to mount a track and then have a car ride on the track. This seems costly and adds what seems like considerable clew height. The clew height may be inconsequential since the tack height is normally elevated from the boom anyway. Anybody have any ideas? Thanks, Josh Muckley S l/V Sea Hawk 1989 C&C 37+ Solomons, MD ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated!