Stus-List CC 30 mk1 rudder design
I owned hull #44 for 12 years and sailed it extensively, never raced. I now own a 30 MKII I sailed in Fisher's Island Sound/LIS/BIS. Wind can be blowing stink on one end of Fisher's and becalmed on the other. Some call LIS The Dead Sea in August but it can be rocking at the mouths of the rivers or out at the race. Dead air at noon, windy by 3PM, dying again by 5PM, glass at sunset. By the time you reef or put up a bigger head sail it's time to do the opposite. It can take longer to rig the spinnaker than you will get to fly it. Here is my take on the 30 MKI. It's a bear, seems to love plowing through the water with the rail buried deep. It points very high, sails fast and easy for its vintage. It's such a fun boat to sail. There is a lot of weather helm if you have too much sail up. The problem is, it's so stiff and will continue to plow through the water near hull spead that it's easier to fight the helm than reef, especially short handed or cruising. In 12 years I reefed my main once, just for practice. Never bothered again, reefed the 135% on the furler or sailed on the jib alone. If the rudder stalls or the boat rounds up you have way, WAY too much sail up and it's probably blowing 35. My 30MKII will misbehave so much earlier, I reef regularly and fly a smaller headsail. However, the boat moves along nicely in light air whereas the 30MKI is not so much of a light air boat without a huge headsail...like 175%, then it moves right along. Most of these boats came set up for racing with lots of winches and cleats. The 30MKI with single or double line reefing, all lines led aft, a clean foredeck, self tailing winches, stack pack, and a redesigned cabin could be the ultimate daysailer/overnighter. If I hit the powerball, that is what would be sitting at my dock waiting for me to go out for the afternoon...one of these days I'll buy a ticket. Rob Gallagher CC 30 MKII HANUMAN ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List CC 30 mk1 rudder design
I have a 1977 Mk 1, #467, same swept back rudder. Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE Smartphone - Reply message - From: Curtis via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com To: Michael Brown m...@tkg.ca, cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Stus-List CC 30 mk1 rudder design Date: Wed, Jun 11, 2014 9:43 PM Here is the bottom of my 1980 CC30MK1 HIN # 675 http://s148.photobucket.com/user/LTGoshen/media/March%202012%20Haul%20Out/EastCoastLady3-9-12001_zps6e2a9d0f.jpg.html?sort=2o=0 On Wed, Jun 11, 2014 at 8:57 PM, Michael Brown via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Interesting that you mention the ~ 1976 redesign of the rudder. I have looked at various rudders from I think a 1972, 1976 and 1980, as well as pictures of the rudders on CC 30 for sale. They have looked basically the same, the swept back scimitar shape. What does the high aspect ratio rudder look like? Does anyone have a picture of one? The redesign was mentioned in a few articles including from the cnc archive. Michael Brown Windburn CC 30-1 Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2014 10:00:17 -0700 From: Ron and Sharon scam...@shaw.ca To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Stus-List CC 30 mk1 rudder design Message-ID: 26A18C5D391F41D48D524CF2A77D073A@Olson Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Good morning, This is my first entry on the cnc-list. I have 40 yrs. of sailing experiece; mostly on Petersons. I am presently without a boat and have been looking at older CC 30 mk1's (1973-75). There are several for sale in my area; asking price about $16,000. They seem to be well built and in good structural cond. Most have diesel engines. My only real concern is the rudder design (swept back, scimitar shaped).. Does this design cause excessive tiller pressure when reaching in heavy air? How is it for steering when backing into a marina? I see that in 1976 they redesigned the rudder. I have not seen a decent 1976-78 mk1 for sale in my area yet. Do you think I should forget the 1973-75's and wait for a 1976 or later one? I am looking at boats in this era because they are affordable to me. Thanks for any replies. Ron Nanaimo, BC, Canada ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com -- All men dream: but not equally. Those who dream by night in the dusty recesses of their minds wake up in the day to find it was vanity, but the dreamers of the day are dangerous men,for they may act their dreams with open eyes, to make it possible. T. E. Lawrence .___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Stus-List CC 30 mk1 rudder design
Hi Curtis, How do you like that folding prop? How does it perform in fwd/reverse? I have the same one in a box in my basement, but I'm reluctant to try it since it does not have the gears to ensure that both blades open evenly. Anyone know if it is worth anything on the used market? I currently have a 2 blade composite prop, which is OK, but not much power in reverse. BTW I have CC30MK1 #657, pretty close to your 675. Simon From: Curtis via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com To: Michael Brown m...@tkg.ca, cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Stus-List CC 30 mk1 rudder design Date: Wed, Jun 11, 2014 9:43 PM Here is the bottom of my 1980 CC30MK1 HIN # 675 http://s148.photobucket.com/user/LTGoshen/media/March%202012%20Haul%20Out/EastCoastLady3-9-12001_zps6e2a9d0f.jpg.html?sort=2o=0 ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List CC 30 mk1 rudder design
Nope, I dont like the folding prop. I have no rev to speek of. Its dangrous.. Im going to change it as soon as I can find the money. I try to always go froward. Great boat !! bad prop. On 6/12/14, Simon Warren via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Hi Curtis, How do you like that folding prop? How does it perform in fwd/reverse? I have the same one in a box in my basement, but I'm reluctant to try it since it does not have the gears to ensure that both blades open evenly. Anyone know if it is worth anything on the used market? I currently have a 2 blade composite prop, which is OK, but not much power in reverse. BTW I have CC30MK1 #657, pretty close to your 675. Simon From: Curtis via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com To: Michael Brown m...@tkg.ca, cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Stus-List CC 30 mk1 rudder design Date: Wed, Jun 11, 2014 9:43 PM Here is the bottom of my 1980 CC30MK1 HIN # 675 http://s148.photobucket.com/user/LTGoshen/media/March%202012%20Haul%20Out/EastCoastLady3-9-12001_zps6e2a9d0f.jpg.html?sort=2o=0 -- All men dream: but not equally. Those who dream by night in the dusty recesses of their minds wake up in the day to find it was vanity, but the dreamers of the day are dangerous men,for they may act their dreams with open eyes, to make it possible. T. E. Lawrence . ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List CC 30 mk1 rudder design
Same reason I ditched mine. For cruising I am towing a 12 foot RIB anyway, so the minor drag reduction is not worth the semi-usable reverse. I got tired of running aground gently and still being trapped if I could not get off by going forward. If I ever race seriously again I'll get a max-prop or similar. Also note that if just one blade comes out on a folding prop it can do damage including shaking the strut loose. Joe Della Barba Coquina CC 35 MK I -Original Message- From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Curtis via CnC-List Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2014 12:06 PM To: Simon Warren; cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List CC 30 mk1 rudder design Nope, I dont like the folding prop. I have no rev to speek of. Its dangrous.. Im going to change it as soon as I can find the money. I try to always go froward. Great boat !! bad prop. ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Stus-List CC 30 mk1 rudder design
Thankyou to all the members who replied to my questions. The cnc-list archives has an amazing amount of information. I liked Antoine's reply the best and will be following his advice soon. I am confused about the photo of the rudder on Curtis's 1980 mk1. I visited a brokers storage lot this week where I saw a 1976 30-1 with a fairly conventional rudder. Maybe it was custom made. If anyone wants to see the photos email me at scam...@shaw.ca I'm not interested in buying it as it is a pale yellow color and has the original Atomic 4. Thanks again Ron___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
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The A4 is a good engine e for that boat. Joe Della Barba Coquina From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Ron and Sharon via CnC-List Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2014 3:31 PM To: Michael Brown via CnC-List Subject: Stus-List CC 30 mk1 rudder design Thankyou to all the members who replied to my questions. The cnc-list archives has an amazing amount of information. I liked Antoine's reply the best and will be following his advice soon. I am confused about the photo of the rudder on Curtis's 1980 mk1. I visited a brokers storage lot this week where I saw a 1976 30-1 with a fairly conventional rudder. Maybe it was custom made. If anyone wants to see the photos email me at scam...@shaw.camailto:scam...@shaw.ca I'm not interested in buying it as it is a pale yellow color and has the original Atomic 4. Thanks again Ron ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List CC 30 mk1 rudder design
I took the yanmar 2gm15 out last fall and replaced it with the the newer 2gm15F fresh water cooled. Makes good hull speed. On Thu, Jun 12, 2014 at 3:38 PM, Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: The A4 is a good engine e for that boat. *Joe Della Barba* Coquina *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *Ron and Sharon via CnC-List *Sent:* Thursday, June 12, 2014 3:31 PM *To:* Michael Brown via CnC-List *Subject:* Stus-List CC 30 mk1 rudder design Thankyou to all the members who replied to my questions. The cnc-list archives has an amazing amount of information. I liked Antoine's reply the best and will be following his advice soon. I am confused about the photo of the rudder on Curtis's 1980 mk1. I visited a brokers storage lot this week where I saw a 1976 30-1 with a fairly conventional rudder. Maybe it was custom made. If anyone wants to see the photos email me at scam...@shaw.ca I'm not interested in buying it as it is a pale yellow color and has the original Atomic 4. Thanks again Ron ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com -- All men dream: but not equally. Those who dream by night in the dusty recesses of their minds wake up in the day to find it was vanity, but the dreamers of the day are dangerous men,for they may act their dreams with open eyes, to make it possible. T. E. Lawrence . ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List CC 30 mk1 rudder design
I don't even have to see it - if it is 'conventional', it is not original. As the originals were all shark fins, this had to be custom. As I mentioned, there were a number of people who modified early CC rudders to get them deeper, because when you are heeled over (reaching?) the rudder is pretty far out of the water, and loses effectiveness. Gary - Original Message - From: Ron and Sharon via CnC-List To: Michael Brown via CnC-List Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2014 3:31 PM Subject: Stus-List CC 30 mk1 rudder design Thankyou to all the members who replied to my questions. The cnc-list archives has an amazing amount of information. I liked Antoine's reply the best and will be following his advice soon. I am confused about the photo of the rudder on Curtis's 1980 mk1. I visited a brokers storage lot this week where I saw a 1976 30-1 with a fairly conventional rudder. Maybe it was custom made. If anyone wants to see the photos email me at scam...@shaw.ca I'm not interested in buying it as it is a pale yellow color and has the original Atomic 4. Thanks again Ron -- ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Stus-List CC 30 mk1 rudder design
Good morning, This is my first entry on the cnc-list. I have 40 yrs. of sailing experiece; mostly on Petersons. I am presently without a boat and have been looking at older CC 30 mk1's (1973-75). There are several for sale in my area; asking price about $16,000. They seem to be well built and in good structural cond. Most have diesel engines. My only real concern is the rudder design (swept back, scimitar shaped). Does this design cause excessive tiller pressure when reaching in heavy air? How is it for steering when backing into a marina? I see that in 1976 they redesigned the rudder. I have not seen a decent 1976-78 mk1 for sale in my area yet. Do you think I should forget the 1973-75's and wait for a 1976 or later one? I am looking at boats in this era because they are affordable to me. Thanks for any replies. Ron Nanaimo, BC, Canada ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List CC 30 mk1 rudder design
This is the first time I've heard that the earlier 30-1's had a different rudder design - I have a 1980 version and the keel and rudder are shark fins. The scimitar does give you some weather helm when reaching in heavy air, but by then your rail is in the water and you should be reducing sail anyway. I have a friend who had an early 27 and he got tired of the helm and had a deeper rudder built (more modern, straight down) because he liked to blast around with the spinnaker up when it was blowing.. As far as backing, I haven't had issues, but I find that because of the offset prop and the rudder, you have to have some way on when backing or the prop walk and prop angle messes you up anyway. I usually start where there is room and run the boat backwards for a while and drive it like a car - facing aft and steering that way. It doesn't respond well to really low speed backing. And they are fine boats, one of the stiffest that CC ever built - perform well. I'm still pleased after 20 years of ownership. Gary #593 Maryland - Original Message - From: Ron and Sharon via CnC-List To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2014 1:00 PM Subject: Stus-List CC 30 mk1 rudder design Good morning, This is my first entry on the cnc-list. I have 40 yrs. of sailing experiece; mostly on Petersons. I am presently without a boat and have been looking at older CC 30 mk1's (1973-75). There are several for sale in my area; asking price about $16,000. They seem to be well built and in good structural cond. Most have diesel engines. My only real concern is the rudder design (swept back, scimitar shaped). Does this design cause excessive tiller pressure when reaching in heavy air? How is it for steering when backing into a marina? I see that in 1976 they redesigned the rudder. I have not seen a decent 1976-78 mk1 for sale in my area yet. Do you think I should forget the 1973-75's and wait for a 1976 or later one? I am looking at boats in this era because they are affordable to me. Thanks for any replies. Ron Nanaimo, BC, Canada -- ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List CC 30 mk1 rudder design
My boat is a big version of the old CC 30. I have noticed no issues in reverse with my rudder. I rarely use my tiller, so I can't really tell you about that. I used to use the tiller in the rain so I could sit under the dodger, but then I got an autopilot. Like any boat, if the helm is a wrestling match you need some sail trim or sail reduction. Joe Della Barba Coquina CC 35 MK I From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Ron and Sharon via CnC-List Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2014 1:00 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Stus-List CC 30 mk1 rudder design Good morning, This is my first entry on the cnc-list. I have 40 yrs. of sailing experiece; mostly on Petersons. I am presently without a boat and have been looking at older CC 30 mk1's (1973-75). There are several for sale in my area; asking price about $16,000. They seem to be well built and in good structural cond. Most have diesel engines. My only real concern is the rudder design (swept back, scimitar shaped). Does this design cause excessive tiller pressure when reaching in heavy air? How is it for steering when backing into a marina? I see that in 1976 they redesigned the rudder. I have not seen a decent 1976-78 mk1 for sale in my area yet. Do you think I should forget the 1973-75's and wait for a 1976 or later one? I am looking at boats in this era because they are affordable to me. Thanks for any replies. Ron Nanaimo, BC, Canada ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List CC 30 mk1 rudder design
Hi Ron, I have a CC 30 1973 (hull built in 1972) with that exact rudder. Yes, there are some weather helm, especially on a reach with a tiller. When I purchased the boat in 2000, I noted that an earlier owner bolted a piece of wood in front of the rudder to increase the compensation by adding surface forward. Interestingly, when I hauled out the boat in Collins Bay Marina (Lake Ontario), the guys there noted the piece of wood and told me that it was the same as on the boat hull number one, which was originally owned by Georges Hinterholler, the architect of this boat. Hull number was in Collins Bay back in 2000. Georges added this piece to correct a flaw in the rudder design. Later on, I removed the piece of wood because it was rotting slowly and was also a major source of water infiltration in the rudder. I shaped a piece of high density styrofoam (used for insulation under house foundation floors) and glued it to the forefront of the rudder. Using various sanders (belt, oscillating and hand) I shaped it to match the shape of the rudder and then fiberglassed over with two layers of cloth. I finished it with interprotect over the rudder. In the end, it added about two inches to the fore front and reduced noticeably the weather helm. Not a difficult job if you're handy a bit. Since this rudder has crossed the Atlantic ocean twice, I'm not worried about structural integrity. Wonderful boat, capable of going far, safely. Points to check: - Early mast steps needed repair because of rot - Boom may still be at 5'6. It can be raised with no big problem, meaning the boom needs to be shortened. Of course, if you do that the main won't fit anymore. So, plan this for next replacement of the main. - Later model had a split backstay and earlier had it in the center. It's hard to tension the stay properly without observing the stern distorting. It's easy to shift to a split back stay eventually. - Check carefully the lamination of the aft starboard bulkhead, in front of the stove. These bulkhead were protected by a white plastics that didn't bonded well to fiberglass. Fair winds Antoine (CC 30 Cousin) Le 2014-06-11 à 13:00, Ron and Sharon via CnC-List a écrit : Good morning, This is my first entry on the cnc-list. I have 40 yrs. of sailing experiece; mostly on Petersons. I am presently without a boat and have been looking at older CC 30 mk1's (1973-75). There are several for sale in my area; asking price about $16,000. They seem to be well built and in good structural cond. Most have diesel engines. My only real concern is the rudder design (swept back, scimitar shaped). Does this design cause excessive tiller pressure when reaching in heavy air? How is it for steering when backing into a marina? I see that in 1976 they redesigned the rudder. I have not seen a decent 1976-78 mk1 for sale in my area yet. Do you think I should forget the 1973-75's and wait for a 1976 or later one? I am looking at boats in this era because they are affordable to me. Thanks for any replies. Ron Nanaimo, BC, Canada ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List CC 30 mk1 rudder design
From: Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2014 3:10 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List CC 30 mk1 rudder design My boat is a big version of the old CC 30. I have noticed no issues in reverse with my rudder. I rarely use my tiller, so I can’t really tell you about that. I used to use the tiller in the rain so I could sit under the dodger, but then I got an autopilot. Like any boat, if the helm is a wrestling match you need some sail trim or sail reduction. Joe Della Barba Coquina CC 35 MK I From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Ron and Sharon via CnC-List Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2014 1:00 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Stus-List CC 30 mk1 rudder design Good morning, This is my first entry on the cnc-list. I have 40 yrs. of sailing experiece; mostly on Petersons. I am presently without a boat and have been looking at older CC 30 mk1's (1973-75). There are several for sale in my area; asking price about $16,000. They seem to be well built and in good structural cond. Most have diesel engines. My only real concern is the rudder design (swept back, scimitar shaped). Does this design cause excessive tiller pressure when reaching in heavy air? How is it for steering when backing into a marina? I see that in 1976 they redesigned the rudder. I have not seen a decent 1976-78 mk1 for sale in my area yet. Do you think I should forget the 1973-75's and wait for a 1976 or later one? I am looking at boats in this era because they are affordable to me. Thanks for any replies. Ron Nanaimo, BC, Canada ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List CC 30 mk1 rudder design
Ron I purchased a CC 30 MK in 1972 ( 1973 model, hull # 100) . Raced her until 1986 when I bought a CC 41 CB We won a lot of races on the Chesapeake with her, She is essentially a CCA design and we sailed with a 170% genoa She is a very stiff boat with the 170 and even stiffer with the 155% genoas in use with PHRF today The scimitar rudder worked fine in all kinds of light air or heavy breezes. rarely had to reef. The only problem I had with the tiller rudder was when backing up. Since the design is unbalanced, and the rudder had no hard stops, I had to back up lowly, adjusting the rudder only a few degrees. otherwise the loads on the tiller arm would become huge, yank the tiller out of my hand, and knock me on my butt. While I never installed rudder stops, I was afraid the if I did a serious mishap might break the rudder or the tiller. You may also note that the rudder post is very far aft, and needs to be rotated maybe 45 degrees or more to get out of the way, if you need it to clear the transom, say with a ladder or get near sea wall. No big deal, but you do need to remember it. I found it to be well built, east to sail, low maintenance, and a great boat for racing or cruising with 4 – 5 crew. Don Wagner CC 41 CB Der Baron From: Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2014 3:10 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List CC 30 mk1 rudder design My boat is a big version of the old CC 30. I have noticed no issues in reverse with my rudder. I rarely use my tiller, so I can’t really tell you about that. I used to use the tiller in the rain so I could sit under the dodger, but then I got an autopilot. Like any boat, if the helm is a wrestling match you need some sail trim or sail reduction. Joe Della Barba Coquina CC 35 MK I From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Ron and Sharon via CnC-List Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2014 1:00 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Stus-List CC 30 mk1 rudder design Good morning, This is my first entry on the cnc-list. I have 40 yrs. of sailing experiece; mostly on Petersons. I am presently without a boat and have been looking at older CC 30 mk1's (1973-75). There are several for sale in my area; asking price about $16,000. They seem to be well built and in good structural cond. Most have diesel engines. My only real concern is the rudder design (swept back, scimitar shaped). Does this design cause excessive tiller pressure when reaching in heavy air? How is it for steering when backing into a marina? I see that in 1976 they redesigned the rudder. I have not seen a decent 1976-78 mk1 for sale in my area yet. Do you think I should forget the 1973-75's and wait for a 1976 or later one? I am looking at boats in this era because they are affordable to me. Thanks for any replies. Ron Nanaimo, BC, Canada ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List CC 30 mk1 rudder design
Interesting that you mention the ~ 1976 redesign of the rudder. I have looked at various rudders from I think a 1972, 1976 and 1980, as well as pictures of the rudders on CC 30 for sale. They have looked basically the same, the swept back scimitar shape. What does the high aspect ratio rudder look like? Does anyone have a picture of one? The redesign was mentioned in a few articles including from the cnc archive. Michael Brown Windburn CC 30-1 Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2014 10:00:17 -0700 From: Ron and Sharon scam...@shaw.ca To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Stus-List CC 30 mk1 rudder design Message-ID: 26A18C5D391F41D48D524CF2A77D073A@Olson Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Good morning, This is my first entry on the cnc-list. I have 40 yrs. of sailing experiece; mostly on Petersons. I am presently without a boat and have been looking at older CC 30 mk1's (1973-75). There are several for sale in my area; asking price about $16,000. They seem to be well built and in good structural cond. Most have diesel engines. My only real concern is the rudder design (swept back, scimitar shaped). Does this design cause excessive tiller pressure when reaching in heavy air? How is it for steering when backing into a marina? I see that in 1976 they redesigned the rudder. I have not seen a decent 1976-78 mk1 for sale in my area yet. Do you think I should forget the 1973-75's and wait for a 1976 or later one? I am looking at boats in this era because they are affordable to me. Thanks for any replies. Ron Nanaimo, BC, Canada ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List CC 30 mk1 rudder design
Here is the bottom of my 1980 CC30MK1 HIN # 675 http://s148.photobucket.com/user/LTGoshen/media/March%202012%20Haul%20Out/EastCoastLady3-9-12001_zps6e2a9d0f.jpg.html?sort=2o=0 On Wed, Jun 11, 2014 at 8:57 PM, Michael Brown via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Interesting that you mention the ~ 1976 redesign of the rudder. I have looked at various rudders from I think a 1972, 1976 and 1980, as well as pictures of the rudders on CC 30 for sale. They have looked basically the same, the swept back scimitar shape. What does the high aspect ratio rudder look like? Does anyone have a picture of one? The redesign was mentioned in a few articles including from the cnc archive. Michael Brown Windburn CC 30-1 Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2014 10:00:17 -0700 From: Ron and Sharon scam...@shaw.ca To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Stus-List CC 30 mk1 rudder design Message-ID: 26A18C5D391F41D48D524CF2A77D073A@Olson Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Good morning, This is my first entry on the cnc-list. I have 40 yrs. of sailing experiece; mostly on Petersons. I am presently without a boat and have been looking at older CC 30 mk1's (1973-75). There are several for sale in my area; asking price about $16,000. They seem to be well built and in good structural cond. Most have diesel engines. My only real concern is the rudder design (swept back, scimitar shaped). Does this design cause excessive tiller pressure when reaching in heavy air? How is it for steering when backing into a marina? I see that in 1976 they redesigned the rudder. I have not seen a decent 1976-78 mk1 for sale in my area yet. Do you think I should forget the 1973-75's and wait for a 1976 or later one? I am looking at boats in this era because they are affordable to me. Thanks for any replies. Ron Nanaimo, BC, Canada ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com -- All men dream: but not equally. Those who dream by night in the dusty recesses of their minds wake up in the day to find it was vanity, but the dreamers of the day are dangerous men,for they may act their dreams with open eyes, to make it possible. T. E. Lawrence . ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
