Re: Stus-List Cabin heat

[Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List]

We had a ‘heat pail” that burned ethanol or methanol years ago. It did get hot, 
but burning hydrocarbons or alcohols inside a boat produces a ton of water 
vapor which will condense all over the boat and you will end up warm and damp 
and then cold and damp when you turn the thing off.

Joe
Coquina


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Vodka is furnace fuel. It would be an emergency if I had to drink it because I 
ran out of good liquor.

Jim Watts
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C&C 35 Mk III
Victoria, BC
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Re: Stus-List Cabin heat

[Jim Watts via CnC-List]

Vodka is furnace fuel. It would be an emergency if I had to drink it
because I ran out of good liquor.

Jim Watts
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Victoria, BC

On 17 November 2015 at 19:05, Russ & Melody via CnC-List <
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>
> If you just drank the vodka there would be no emergency. :)
>
> Cheers, Russ
> *Sweet *35 mk-1, B.C. South Coast
>
> At 09:26 PM 15/11/2015, you wrote:
>
> That's just denatured alcohol. You could burn vodka in an emergency.
>
> Jim Watts
> Paradigm Shift
> C&C 35 Mk III
> Victoria, BC
>
> On 14 November 2015 at 11:31, Russ & Melody via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> That is really cute. An excellent gift or conversation piece.
>
> But for practical purposes, with fuel at 10 bucks per litre and a fuel
> density only 55% of kerosene.. I'll keep my little Force Ten kero heater
> for bulk warming.
>
> Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Cheers, Russ
> Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Sweet 35 mk-1, B.C. South Coast
>
> At 10:48 AM 14/11/2015, you wrote:
>
> It's getting cold up north.  Here's something to warm your cabin.  :)
>
> < 
> http://www.hammacher.com/Product/Default.aspx?sku=86860>
>
> Dennis C.
> Touche' 35-1 #83
> Mandeville, LA
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Re: Stus-List Cabin heat

[Russ & Melody via CnC-List]

If you just drank the vodka there would be no emergency. :)

Cheers, Russ
Sweet 35 mk-1, B.C. South Coast

At 09:26 PM 15/11/2015, you wrote:

That's just denatured alcohol. You could burn vodka in an emergency.

Jim Watts
Paradigm Shift
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Victoria, BC

On 14 November 2015 at 11:31, Russ & Melody via 
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That is really cute. An excellent gift or conversation piece.

But for practical purposes, with fuel at 10 
bucks per litre and a fuel density only 55% of 
kerosene.. I'll keep my little Force Ten kero heater for bulk warming.


        Cheers, Russ
        Sweet 35 mk-1, B.C. South Coast

At 10:48 AM 14/11/2015, you wrote:

It's getting cold up north.  Here's something to warm your cabin.  :)

< http://www.hammacher.com/Product/Default.aspx?sku=86860>

Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA


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Re: Stus-List Cabin heat

[bobmor99 . via CnC-List]

So, it doesn't run on beer.
Maybe that's a good thing.

--Bob M
Ox 33-1
Jax, FL

On Mon, Nov 16, 2015 at 12:26 AM, Jim Watts via CnC-List <
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> That's just denatured alcohol. You could burn vodka in an emergency.
>
>
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Re: Stus-List Cabin heat

[Jim Watts via CnC-List]

That's just denatured alcohol. You could burn vodka in an emergency.

Jim Watts
Paradigm Shift
C&C 35 Mk III
Victoria, BC

On 14 November 2015 at 11:31, Russ & Melody via CnC-List <
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>
> That is really cute. An excellent gift or conversation piece.
>
> But for practical purposes, with fuel at 10 bucks per litre and a fuel
> density only 55% of kerosene.. I'll keep my little Force Ten kero heater
> for bulk warming.
>
> Cheers, Russ
> *Sweet *35 mk-1, B.C. South Coast
>
> At 10:48 AM 14/11/2015, you wrote:
>
> It's getting cold up north.  Here's something to warm your cabin.  :)
>
> < http://www.hammacher.com/Product/Default.aspx?sku=86860>
>
> Dennis C.
> Touche' 35-1 #83
> Mandeville, LA
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Re: Stus-List Cabin heat

[Russ & Melody via CnC-List]

That is really cute. An excellent gift or conversation piece.

But for practical purposes, with fuel at 10 bucks 
per litre and a fuel density only 55% of 
kerosene.. I'll keep my little Force Ten kero heater for bulk warming.


Cheers, Russ
Sweet 35 mk-1, B.C. South Coast

At 10:48 AM 14/11/2015, you wrote:

It's getting cold up north.  Here's something to warm your cabin.  :)

<http://www.hammacher.com/Product/Default.aspx?sku=86860>

Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA
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Stus-List Cabin heat

[Dennis C. via CnC-List]

It's getting cold up north.  Here's something to warm your cabin.  :)



Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA
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Re: Stus-List Cabin Heat

[svpegasus38]

On Pegasus I have a Wallas forced air diesel furnace. I mounted it behind 
the propane locker in the transom. I like this unit because it runs 
continuously, uses very little fuel and power, and above all it is very quiet. 
Because of the long ducting I did add a digitly controlled aux blower, this 
almost doubled its efficiently. 
Doug MountjoysvPegasusLF38 just west of Ballard, WA.





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Re: Stus-List Cabin Heat

[Martin DeYoung via CnC-List]

Fred,

I just used Sure Marine in Seattle for a Webasto T-90 service and tune-up.  The 
Webasto parts may have been higher priced than aftermarket brands but I got 16 
years out of the originals.

The service tech also gave me a hint on how to quickly prime the system after a 
pump or fuel filter change.  The hint had to do with taking the pump 12v 
positive lead and quickly tapping it on the systems 12v supply terminal.  Also, 
I used kerosene out of a store bought 1 gal container to pre-fill the new fuel 
filter which limited the amount of fuel system priming needed.

Martin DeYoung
Calypso
1971 C&C 43
Seattle

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Subject: Re: Stus-List Cabin Heat

I am in need of a dosing pump for my Wasbasto.  They want 1/2 as much as the 
Russian one .   Any suggestions where I could get a pump at a reasonable price?

Fred Hazzard
S/V Fury
C&C 44
Portland,Or
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Re: Stus-List Cabin Heat

[Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List]

Moscow? St. Petersburg?

 

Sorry, I could not help myself.

 

Marek

 

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Subject: Re: Stus-List Cabin Heat

 

I am in need of a dosing pump for my Wasbasto.  They want 1/2 as much as the 
Russian one .   Any suggestions where I could get a pump at a reasonable price?

 

Fred Hazzard

S/V Fury

C&C 44

Portland,Or

 

On Thu, Nov 5, 2015 at 12:12 PM, Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List 
 wrote:

YMMV, but take a look:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Diesel-air-heater-2-kW-7-000-BTU-hr-12-volt-same-as-Webasto-Airtronic-Espar-/131634398959?hash=item1ea60586ef:g:55sAAOSwu4BV2L11
 
<http://www.ebay.com/itm/Diesel-air-heater-2-kW-7-000-BTU-hr-12-volt-same-as-Webasto-Airtronic-Espar-/131634398959?hash=item1ea60586ef:g:55sAAOSwu4BV2L11&vxp=mtr>
 &vxp=mtr

 

 

 

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Cc: Martin DeYoung
Subject: Re: Stus-List Cabin Heat

 

>… the solid fuel heaters…

>… used driftwood for fuel.

 

One of my earliest memories of crewing on a C&C 39 was helping deliver it to 
Vancouver BC for the 1977 Southern Straits of Georgia race.  It was early that 
year so it was likely late March or early April and still a bit cool out.  The 
C&C 39 “Midnight Special” was equipped with a solid fuel cabin heater.  I do 
not recall the brand but it fit on the bulkhead just forward of the mast with 
the SS chimney exiting directly above.

 

Anchored in Fossil Bay, Sucia Island (in the US San Juan’s) we were cold and 
wet so the fire place was stoked with presto log fuel, then stoked again, and 
again.  When we smelled hot fiberglass it occurred to us that we had over fed 
the fire and the chimney was hot enough to scorch the deck.  IIRC I spent some 
time on deck with a bucket and sponge cooling it off as the pile of presto log 
pieces burned down.  None of us on board that night repeated that mistake.

 

Martin DeYoung

Calypso

1971 C&C 43

Seattle


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Subject: Re: Stus-List Cabin Heat

 

We used driftwood for fuel. They really don’t heat up the whole boat, the air 
circulation isn’t good enough. None of the bulkhead heaters work as well as 
forced air heat. Charcoal AFAIK puts out much more CO than wood.

 

Joe

Coquina

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Subject: Re: Stus-List Cabin Heat

 

Some good ideas, thanks guys.

I've also wondered about the solid fuel heaters, but they seem to be rated for 
smaller boats. At first glance, charcoal briquettes seem like a neat fuel 
management solution. Are they?

 

Steve

Suhana, C&C 32

Toronto


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Re: Stus-List Cabin Heat

[Fred Hazzard via CnC-List]

I am in need of a dosing pump for my Wasbasto.  They want 1/2 as much as
the Russian one .   Any suggestions where I could get a pump at a
reasonable price?

Fred Hazzard
S/V Fury
C&C 44
Portland,Or

On Thu, Nov 5, 2015 at 12:12 PM, Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> YMMV, but take a look:
>
>
> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Diesel-air-heater-2-kW-7-000-BTU-hr-12-volt-same-as-Webasto-Airtronic-Espar-/131634398959?hash=item1ea60586ef:g:55sAAOSwu4BV2L11&vxp=mtr
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *Martin
> DeYoung via CnC-List
> *Sent:* Thursday, November 05, 2015 2:09 PM
> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> *Cc:* Martin DeYoung
> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Cabin Heat
>
>
>
> >… the solid fuel heaters…
>
> >… used driftwood for fuel.
>
>
>
> One of my earliest memories of crewing on a C&C 39 was helping deliver it
> to Vancouver BC for the 1977 Southern Straits of Georgia race.  It was
> early that year so it was likely late March or early April and still a bit
> cool out.  The C&C 39 “Midnight Special” was equipped with a solid fuel
> cabin heater.  I do not recall the brand but it fit on the bulkhead just
> forward of the mast with the SS chimney exiting directly above.
>
>
>
> Anchored in Fossil Bay, Sucia Island (in the US San Juan’s) we were cold
> and wet so the fire place was stoked with presto log fuel, then stoked
> again, and again.  When we smelled hot fiberglass it occurred to us that we
> had over fed the fire and the chimney was hot enough to scorch the deck.
> IIRC I spent some time on deck with a bucket and sponge cooling it off as
> the pile of presto log pieces burned down.  None of us on board that night
> repeated that mistake.
>
>
>
> Martin DeYoung
>
> Calypso
>
> 1971 C&C 43
>
> Seattle
>
>
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>
>
>
> *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com
> ] *On Behalf Of *Della Barba, Joe via
> CnC-List
> *Sent:* Thursday, November 05, 2015 10:20 AM
> *To:* 'cnc-list@cnc-list.com'
> *Cc:* Della Barba, Joe
> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Cabin Heat
>
>
>
> We used driftwood for fuel. They really don’t heat up the whole boat, the
> air circulation isn’t good enough. None of the bulkhead heaters work as
> well as forced air heat. Charcoal AFAIK puts out much more CO than wood.
>
>
>
> Joe
>
> Coquina
>
> *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com
> ] *On Behalf Of *Stevan Plavsa via CnC-List
> *Sent:* Thursday, November 05, 2015 1:14 PM
> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> *Cc:* Stevan Plavsa
> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Cabin Heat
>
>
>
> Some good ideas, thanks guys.
>
> I've also wondered about the solid fuel heaters, but they seem to be rated
> for smaller boats. At first glance, charcoal briquettes seem like a neat
> fuel management solution. Are they?
>
>
>
> Steve
>
> Suhana, C&C 32
>
> Toronto
>
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Re: Stus-List Cabin Heat (Robert Boyer)

[Daniel Sheer via CnC-List]

Nope, he meant 5 pounders. Got the same tanks on Pegathy. They're what fits.
Dan SheerPegathy LF38Rock Creek off the Patapsco
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Fred, you mean two 10-lb propane tanks, right?

Bob

Sent from my iPhone, Bob Boyer

> On Nov 5, 2015, at 11:35 AM, Frederick G Street via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> Steve ? I?ve got a Dickinson P12000 on my LF38, and love it.  However, I?ve 
> got a propane locker with two five-pound tanks in it; I teed off from the 
> feed to the galley range (after the solenoid, inside the locker) and ran a 
> separate propane line to the heater.
> 
> In your case, you would have to have some sort of external propane locker 
> which is sealed, vented overboard and has a solenoid to control the gas.  
> Also, you?ll need a regulator to reduce the pressure of the gas in the tank 
> to levels that the Dickinson could use (about 3-4 psi, if I recall correctly; 
> and you?d need to do this regardless of whether you were using a large tank 
> or the 1-pound disposables).  Something like this, but you?d need to find a 
> place to put it: 
> http://www.go2marine.com/product/211547F/trident-propane-locker-fully-rigged-lpg-system.html
> 
> ? Fred
> 
> Fred Street -- Minneapolis
> S/V Oceanis (1979 C&C Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI  :^(
> 
>> On Nov 5, 2015, at 9:57 AM, Stevan Plavsa via CnC-List 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Not sure if this needs a separate thread but I've been looking at the 
>> Dickinson heaters, the Propane P9000. I don't have diesel on board and my 
>> early 32 doesn't have a propane locker. Seems you can run these things off 
>> of 1lb disposable tanks but if I'm reading it correctly, they must be 
>> located outside or in a propane locker (which I don't have). I suppose it's 
>> not safe to have the 1lb propane tank inside the boat eh? 
>> 
>> What have other non-propane boat owners done?
>> The hot water engine heat is nice when you're motoring now doubt, but we 
>> like to spend days at anchor and we're looking to extend our cruising into 
>> the fall next year. 
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> Steve
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Re: Stus-List Cabin Heat

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YMMV, but take a look:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Diesel-air-heater-2-kW-7-000-BTU-hr-12-volt-same-as-Webasto-Airtronic-Espar-/131634398959?hash=item1ea60586ef:g:55sAAOSwu4BV2L11&vxp=mtr



From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Martin 
DeYoung via CnC-List
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To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Martin DeYoung
Subject: Re: Stus-List Cabin Heat

>… the solid fuel heaters…
>… used driftwood for fuel.

One of my earliest memories of crewing on a C&C 39 was helping deliver it to 
Vancouver BC for the 1977 Southern Straits of Georgia race.  It was early that 
year so it was likely late March or early April and still a bit cool out.  The 
C&C 39 “Midnight Special” was equipped with a solid fuel cabin heater.  I do 
not recall the brand but it fit on the bulkhead just forward of the mast with 
the SS chimney exiting directly above.

Anchored in Fossil Bay, Sucia Island (in the US San Juan’s) we were cold and 
wet so the fire place was stoked with presto log fuel, then stoked again, and 
again.  When we smelled hot fiberglass it occurred to us that we had over fed 
the fire and the chimney was hot enough to scorch the deck.  IIRC I spent some 
time on deck with a bucket and sponge cooling it off as the pile of presto log 
pieces burned down.  None of us on board that night repeated that mistake.

Martin DeYoung
Calypso
1971 C&C 43
Seattle

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Subject: Re: Stus-List Cabin Heat

We used driftwood for fuel. They really don’t heat up the whole boat, the air 
circulation isn’t good enough. None of the bulkhead heaters work as well as 
forced air heat. Charcoal AFAIK puts out much more CO than wood.

Joe
Coquina
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To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
Cc: Stevan Plavsa
Subject: Re: Stus-List Cabin Heat

Some good ideas, thanks guys.
I've also wondered about the solid fuel heaters, but they seem to be rated for 
smaller boats. At first glance, charcoal briquettes seem like a neat fuel 
management solution. Are they?

Steve
Suhana, C&C 32
Toronto
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Re: Stus-List Cabin Heat

[Martin DeYoung via CnC-List]

>… the solid fuel heaters…
>… used driftwood for fuel.

One of my earliest memories of crewing on a C&C 39 was helping deliver it to 
Vancouver BC for the 1977 Southern Straits of Georgia race.  It was early that 
year so it was likely late March or early April and still a bit cool out.  The 
C&C 39 “Midnight Special” was equipped with a solid fuel cabin heater.  I do 
not recall the brand but it fit on the bulkhead just forward of the mast with 
the SS chimney exiting directly above.

Anchored in Fossil Bay, Sucia Island (in the US San Juan’s) we were cold and 
wet so the fire place was stoked with presto log fuel, then stoked again, and 
again.  When we smelled hot fiberglass it occurred to us that we had over fed 
the fire and the chimney was hot enough to scorch the deck.  IIRC I spent some 
time on deck with a bucket and sponge cooling it off as the pile of presto log 
pieces burned down.  None of us on board that night repeated that mistake.

Martin DeYoung
Calypso
1971 C&C 43
Seattle

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Subject: Re: Stus-List Cabin Heat

We used driftwood for fuel. They really don’t heat up the whole boat, the air 
circulation isn’t good enough. None of the bulkhead heaters work as well as 
forced air heat. Charcoal AFAIK puts out much more CO than wood.

Joe
Coquina
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Cc: Stevan Plavsa
Subject: Re: Stus-List Cabin Heat

Some good ideas, thanks guys.
I've also wondered about the solid fuel heaters, but they seem to be rated for 
smaller boats. At first glance, charcoal briquettes seem like a neat fuel 
management solution. Are they?

Steve
Suhana, C&C 32
Toronto
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Re: Stus-List Cabin Heat

[Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List]

We used driftwood for fuel. They really don’t heat up the whole boat, the air 
circulation isn’t good enough. None of the bulkhead heaters work as well as 
forced air heat. Charcoal AFAIK puts out much more CO than wood.

Joe
Coquina
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Plavsa via CnC-List
Sent: Thursday, November 05, 2015 1:14 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Stevan Plavsa
Subject: Re: Stus-List Cabin Heat

Some good ideas, thanks guys.
I've also wondered about the solid fuel heaters, but they seem to be rated for 
smaller boats. At first glance, charcoal briquettes seem like a neat fuel 
management solution. Are they?

Steve
Suhana, C&C 32
Toronto


On Thu, Nov 5, 2015 at 12:36 PM, Bill Bina - gmail via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
I have something similar mounted to my RADAR tower. For the bottom end, I used 
one of these:

<http://www.homedepot.com/p/Oatey-4-in-PVC-Snap-In-Floor-Drain-with-4-1-2-in-Strainer-for-PVC-Pipe-43569/100122758><http://www.homedepot.com/p/Oatey-4-in-PVC-Snap-In-Floor-Drain-with-4-1-2-in-Strainer-for-PVC-Pipe-43569/100122758>

Bill Bina

On 11/5/2015 12:13 PM, Gary Nylander via CnC-List wrote:
For the small (1lb) tanks, a friend mounted a piece of PVC pipe to his push pit 
with a couple of big hose clamps. Cap on bottom, glued - removable cap on top - 
tall enough for two. He could take the tank out for his BBQ.  Could be adapted 
with a solenoid for interior use.

Gary
St. Michaels
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To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
Cc: Joe Della Barba<mailto:j...@dellabarba.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 05, 2015 11:57 AM
Subject: Re: Stus-List Cabin Heat

As we found out the hard way, those propane lockers are for looks, not 
gas-proofing. We had a job to switch a Bristol 40 from kerosene to propane heat 
and cooking. One of those lockers installed below got a very quick veto from 
the surveyor. They can be installed on deck for looks, but the lid cannot be 
counted on to be gas-tight below decks. We ended up mounting a nice varnished 
mahogany board to the stern rail and mounting a 6 pound vertical aluminum tank 
to it. It was fine to be naked as long as it was outside and not positioned to 
leak into the boat.

Joe Della Barba
j...@dellabarba.com<mailto:j...@dellabarba.com>

Coquina

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To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
Cc: Frederick G Street <mailto:f...@postaudio.net>
Subject: Re: Stus-List Cabin Heat

Steve — I’ve got a Dickinson P12000 on my LF38, and love it.  However, I’ve got 
a propane locker with two five-pound tanks in it; I teed off from the feed to 
the galley range (after the solenoid, inside the locker) and ran a separate 
propane line to the heater.

In your case, you would have to have some sort of external propane locker which 
is sealed, vented overboard and has a solenoid to control the gas.  Also, 
you’ll need a regulator to reduce the pressure of the gas in the tank to levels 
that the Dickinson could use (about 3-4 psi, if I recall correctly; and you’d 
need to do this regardless of whether you were using a large tank or the 
1-pound disposables).  Something like this, but you’d need to find a place to 
put it: 
http://www.go2marine.com/product/211547F/trident-propane-locker-fully-rigged-lpg-system.html

— Fred

Fred Street -- Minneapolis
S/V Oceanis (1979 C&C Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI   :^(

On Nov 5, 2015, at 9:57 AM, Stevan Plavsa via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:

Not sure if this needs a separate thread but I've been looking at the Dickinson 
heaters, the Propane P9000. I don't have diesel on board and my early 32 
doesn't have a propane locker. Seems you can run these things off of 1lb 
disposable tanks but if I'm reading it correctly, they must be located outside 
or in a propane locker (which I don't have). I suppose it's not safe to have 
the 1lb propane tank inside the boat eh?

What have other non-propane boat owners done?
The hot water engine heat is nice when you're motoring now doubt, but we like 
to spend days at anchor and we're looking to extend our cruising into the fall 
next year.

Thanks,
Steve

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Re: Stus-List Cabin Heat

[Stevan Plavsa via CnC-List]

Some good ideas, thanks guys.
I've also wondered about the solid fuel heaters, but they seem to be rated
for smaller boats. At first glance, charcoal briquettes seem like a neat
fuel management solution. Are they?

Steve
Suhana, C&C 32
Toronto


On Thu, Nov 5, 2015 at 12:36 PM, Bill Bina - gmail via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> I have something similar mounted to my RADAR tower. For the bottom end, I
> used one of these:
>
>
> <http://www.homedepot.com/p/Oatey-4-in-PVC-Snap-In-Floor-Drain-with-4-1-2-in-Strainer-for-PVC-Pipe-43569/100122758>
> <http://www.homedepot.com/p/Oatey-4-in-PVC-Snap-In-Floor-Drain-with-4-1-2-in-Strainer-for-PVC-Pipe-43569/100122758>
>
> Bill Bina
>
> On 11/5/2015 12:13 PM, Gary Nylander via CnC-List wrote:
>
> For the small (1lb) tanks, a friend mounted a piece of PVC pipe to his
> push pit with a couple of big hose clamps. Cap on bottom, glued - removable
> cap on top - tall enough for two. He could take the tank out for his BBQ.
> Could be adapted with a solenoid for interior use.
>
> Gary
> St. Michaels
>
> - Original Message -
> *From:* Joe Della Barba via CnC-List 
> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> *Cc:* Joe Della Barba 
> *Sent:* Thursday, November 05, 2015 11:57 AM
> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Cabin Heat
>
> As we found out the hard way, those propane lockers are for looks, not
> gas-proofing. We had a job to switch a Bristol 40 from kerosene to propane
> heat and cooking. One of those lockers installed below got a very quick
> veto from the surveyor. They can be installed on deck for looks, but the
> lid cannot be counted on to be gas-tight below decks. We ended up mounting
> a nice varnished mahogany board to the stern rail and mounting a 6 pound
> vertical aluminum tank to it. It was fine to be naked as long as it was
> outside and not positioned to leak into the boat.
>
>
>
> Joe Della Barba
>
> j...@dellabarba.com
>
>
>
> Coquina
>
>
>
> *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com
> ] *On Behalf Of *Frederick G Street via
> CnC-List
> *Sent:* Thursday, November 05, 2015 11:35 AM
> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> *Cc:* Frederick G Street  
> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Cabin Heat
>
>
>
> Steve — I’ve got a Dickinson P12000 on my LF38, and love it.  However,
> I’ve got a propane locker with two five-pound tanks in it; I teed off from
> the feed to the galley range (after the solenoid, inside the locker) and
> ran a separate propane line to the heater.
>
>
>
> In your case, you would have to have some sort of external propane locker
> which is sealed, vented overboard and has a solenoid to control the gas.
>  Also, you’ll need a regulator to reduce the pressure of the gas in the
> tank to levels that the Dickinson could use (about 3-4 psi, if I recall
> correctly; and you’d need to do this regardless of whether you were using a
> large tank or the 1-pound disposables).  Something like this, but you’d
> need to find a place to put it:
> <http://www.go2marine.com/product/211547F/trident-propane-locker-fully-rigged-lpg-system.html>
> http://www.go2marine.com/product/211547F/trident-propane-locker-fully-rigged-lpg-system.html
>
>
>
> — Fred
>
>
> Fred Street -- Minneapolis
> S/V *Oceanis* (1979 C&C Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI   :^(
>
>
>
> On Nov 5, 2015, at 9:57 AM, Stevan Plavsa via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> Not sure if this needs a separate thread but I've been looking at the
> Dickinson heaters, the Propane P9000. I don't have diesel on board and my
> early 32 doesn't have a propane locker. Seems you can run these things off
> of 1lb disposable tanks but if I'm reading it correctly, they must be
> located outside or in a propane locker (which I don't have). I suppose it's
> not safe to have the 1lb propane tank inside the boat eh?
>
>
>
> What have other non-propane boat owners done?
>
> The hot water engine heat is nice when you're motoring now doubt, but we
> like to spend days at anchor and we're looking to extend our cruising into
> the fall next year.
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Steve
>
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Re: Stus-List Cabin Heat

[Bill Bina - gmail via CnC-List]

I have something similar mounted to my RADAR tower. For the bottom end, 
I used one of these:


<http://www.homedepot.com/p/Oatey-4-in-PVC-Snap-In-Floor-Drain-with-4-1-2-in-Strainer-for-PVC-Pipe-43569/100122758>

Bill Bina

On 11/5/2015 12:13 PM, Gary Nylander via CnC-List wrote:
For the small (1lb) tanks, a friend mounted a piece of PVC pipe to his 
push pit with a couple of big hose clamps. Cap on bottom, glued - 
removable cap on top - tall enough for two. He could take the tank out 
for his BBQ. Could be adapted with a solenoid for interior use.

Gary
St. Michaels

- Original Message -
*From:* Joe Della Barba via CnC-List <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
*To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
*Cc:* Joe Della Barba <mailto:j...@dellabarba.com>
*Sent:* Thursday, November 05, 2015 11:57 AM
*Subject:* Re: Stus-List Cabin Heat

As we found out the hard way, those propane lockers are for looks,
not gas-proofing. We had a job to switch a Bristol 40 from
kerosene to propane heat and cooking. One of those lockers
installed below got a very quick veto from the surveyor. They can
be installed on deck for looks, but the lid cannot be counted on
to be gas-tight below decks. We ended up mounting a nice varnished
mahogany board to the stern rail and mounting a 6 pound vertical
aluminum tank to it. It was fine to be naked as long as it was
outside and not positioned to leak into the boat.

Joe Della Barba

j...@dellabarba.com <mailto:j...@dellabarba.com>

Coquina

*From:*CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf
Of *Frederick G Street via CnC-List
*Sent:* Thursday, November 05, 2015 11:35 AM
*To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
*Cc:* Frederick G Street 
*Subject:* Re: Stus-List Cabin Heat

Steve — I’ve got a Dickinson P12000 on my LF38, and love it.
 However, I’ve got a propane locker with two five-pound tanks in
it; I teed off from the feed to the galley range (after the
solenoid, inside the locker) and ran a separate propane line to
the heater.

In your case, you would have to have some sort of external propane
locker which is sealed, vented overboard and has a solenoid to
control the gas.  Also, you’ll need a regulator to reduce the
pressure of the gas in the tank to levels that the Dickinson could
use (about 3-4 psi, if I recall correctly; and you’d need to do
this regardless of whether you were using a large tank or the
1-pound disposables).  Something like this, but you’d need to find
a place to put it:

http://www.go2marine.com/product/211547F/trident-propane-locker-fully-rigged-lpg-system.html

— Fred


Fred Street -- Minneapolis
S/V /Oceanis/ (1979 C&C Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield,
WI   :^(

On Nov 5, 2015, at 9:57 AM, Stevan Plavsa via CnC-List
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:

Not sure if this needs a separate thread but I've been looking
at the Dickinson heaters, the Propane P9000. I don't have
diesel on board and my early 32 doesn't have a propane locker.
Seems you can run these things off of 1lb disposable tanks but
if I'm reading it correctly, they must be located outside or
in a propane locker (which I don't have). I suppose it's not
safe to have the 1lb propane tank inside the boat eh?

What have other non-propane boat owners done?

The hot water engine heat is nice when you're motoring now
doubt, but we like to spend days at anchor and we're looking
to extend our cruising into the fall next year.

Thanks,

Steve


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Re: Stus-List Cabin Heat

[Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List]

In other news,  Russian knockoffs of Espar/Webasto heaters are all over Fleabay 
for incredibly low prices.
No idea how good they are – YMMV!

Joe
Coquina

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Gary 
Nylander via CnC-List
Sent: Thursday, November 05, 2015 12:13 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Gary Nylander
Subject: Re: Stus-List Cabin Heat

For the small (1lb) tanks, a friend mounted a piece of PVC pipe to his push pit 
with a couple of big hose clamps. Cap on bottom, glued - removable cap on top - 
tall enough for two. He could take the tank out for his BBQ.  Could be adapted 
with a solenoid for interior use.

Gary
St. Michaels
- Original Message -
From: Joe Della Barba via CnC-List<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
Cc: Joe Della Barba<mailto:j...@dellabarba.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 05, 2015 11:57 AM
Subject: Re: Stus-List Cabin Heat

As we found out the hard way, those propane lockers are for looks, not 
gas-proofing. We had a job to switch a Bristol 40 from kerosene to propane heat 
and cooking. One of those lockers installed below got a very quick veto from 
the surveyor. They can be installed on deck for looks, but the lid cannot be 
counted on to be gas-tight below decks. We ended up mounting a nice varnished 
mahogany board to the stern rail and mounting a 6 pound vertical aluminum tank 
to it. It was fine to be naked as long as it was outside and not positioned to 
leak into the boat.

Joe Della Barba
j...@dellabarba.com<mailto:j...@dellabarba.com>

Coquina

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Frederick G 
Street via CnC-List
Sent: Thursday, November 05, 2015 11:35 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
Cc: Frederick G Street mailto:f...@postaudio.net>>
Subject: Re: Stus-List Cabin Heat

Steve — I’ve got a Dickinson P12000 on my LF38, and love it.  However, I’ve got 
a propane locker with two five-pound tanks in it; I teed off from the feed to 
the galley range (after the solenoid, inside the locker) and ran a separate 
propane line to the heater.

In your case, you would have to have some sort of external propane locker which 
is sealed, vented overboard and has a solenoid to control the gas.  Also, 
you’ll need a regulator to reduce the pressure of the gas in the tank to levels 
that the Dickinson could use (about 3-4 psi, if I recall correctly; and you’d 
need to do this regardless of whether you were using a large tank or the 
1-pound disposables).  Something like this, but you’d need to find a place to 
put it: 
http://www.go2marine.com/product/211547F/trident-propane-locker-fully-rigged-lpg-system.html

— Fred

Fred Street -- Minneapolis
S/V Oceanis (1979 C&C Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI   :^(

On Nov 5, 2015, at 9:57 AM, Stevan Plavsa via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:

Not sure if this needs a separate thread but I've been looking at the Dickinson 
heaters, the Propane P9000. I don't have diesel on board and my early 32 
doesn't have a propane locker. Seems you can run these things off of 1lb 
disposable tanks but if I'm reading it correctly, they must be located outside 
or in a propane locker (which I don't have). I suppose it's not safe to have 
the 1lb propane tank inside the boat eh?

What have other non-propane boat owners done?
The hot water engine heat is nice when you're motoring now doubt, but we like 
to spend days at anchor and we're looking to extend our cruising into the fall 
next year.

Thanks,
Steve

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Re: Stus-List Cabin Heat

[Gary Nylander via CnC-List]

For the small (1lb) tanks, a friend mounted a piece of PVC pipe to his push pit 
with a couple of big hose clamps. Cap on bottom, glued - removable cap on top - 
tall enough for two. He could take the tank out for his BBQ.  Could be adapted 
with a solenoid for interior use.

Gary
St. Michaels
  - Original Message - 
  From: Joe Della Barba via CnC-List 
  To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
  Cc: Joe Della Barba 
  Sent: Thursday, November 05, 2015 11:57 AM
  Subject: Re: Stus-List Cabin Heat


  As we found out the hard way, those propane lockers are for looks, not 
gas-proofing. We had a job to switch a Bristol 40 from kerosene to propane heat 
and cooking. One of those lockers installed below got a very quick veto from 
the surveyor. They can be installed on deck for looks, but the lid cannot be 
counted on to be gas-tight below decks. We ended up mounting a nice varnished 
mahogany board to the stern rail and mounting a 6 pound vertical aluminum tank 
to it. It was fine to be naked as long as it was outside and not positioned to 
leak into the boat.

   

  Joe Della Barba

  j...@dellabarba.com

   

  Coquina

   

  From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Frederick 
G Street via CnC-List
  Sent: Thursday, November 05, 2015 11:35 AM
  To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
  Cc: Frederick G Street 
  Subject: Re: Stus-List Cabin Heat

   

  Steve — I’ve got a Dickinson P12000 on my LF38, and love it.  However, I’ve 
got a propane locker with two five-pound tanks in it; I teed off from the feed 
to the galley range (after the solenoid, inside the locker) and ran a separate 
propane line to the heater.

   

  In your case, you would have to have some sort of external propane locker 
which is sealed, vented overboard and has a solenoid to control the gas.  Also, 
you’ll need a regulator to reduce the pressure of the gas in the tank to levels 
that the Dickinson could use (about 3-4 psi, if I recall correctly; and you’d 
need to do this regardless of whether you were using a large tank or the 
1-pound disposables).  Something like this, but you’d need to find a place to 
put it: 
http://www.go2marine.com/product/211547F/trident-propane-locker-fully-rigged-lpg-system.html

   

  — Fred


  Fred Street -- Minneapolis
  S/V Oceanis (1979 C&C Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI   :^(

   

On Nov 5, 2015, at 9:57 AM, Stevan Plavsa via CnC-List 
 wrote:

 

Not sure if this needs a separate thread but I've been looking at the 
Dickinson heaters, the Propane P9000. I don't have diesel on board and my early 
32 doesn't have a propane locker. Seems you can run these things off of 1lb 
disposable tanks but if I'm reading it correctly, they must be located outside 
or in a propane locker (which I don't have). I suppose it's not safe to have 
the 1lb propane tank inside the boat eh? 

 

What have other non-propane boat owners done?

The hot water engine heat is nice when you're motoring now doubt, but we 
like to spend days at anchor and we're looking to extend our cruising into the 
fall next year. 

 

Thanks,

Steve



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Re: Stus-List Cabin Heat

[Robert Boyer via CnC-List]

Fred, you mean two 10-lb propane tanks, right?

Bob

Sent from my iPhone, Bob Boyer

> On Nov 5, 2015, at 11:35 AM, Frederick G Street via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> Steve — I’ve got a Dickinson P12000 on my LF38, and love it.  However, I’ve 
> got a propane locker with two five-pound tanks in it; I teed off from the 
> feed to the galley range (after the solenoid, inside the locker) and ran a 
> separate propane line to the heater.
> 
> In your case, you would have to have some sort of external propane locker 
> which is sealed, vented overboard and has a solenoid to control the gas.  
> Also, you’ll need a regulator to reduce the pressure of the gas in the tank 
> to levels that the Dickinson could use (about 3-4 psi, if I recall correctly; 
> and you’d need to do this regardless of whether you were using a large tank 
> or the 1-pound disposables).  Something like this, but you’d need to find a 
> place to put it: 
> http://www.go2marine.com/product/211547F/trident-propane-locker-fully-rigged-lpg-system.html
> 
> — Fred
> 
> Fred Street -- Minneapolis
> S/V Oceanis (1979 C&C Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI   :^(
> 
>> On Nov 5, 2015, at 9:57 AM, Stevan Plavsa via CnC-List 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Not sure if this needs a separate thread but I've been looking at the 
>> Dickinson heaters, the Propane P9000. I don't have diesel on board and my 
>> early 32 doesn't have a propane locker. Seems you can run these things off 
>> of 1lb disposable tanks but if I'm reading it correctly, they must be 
>> located outside or in a propane locker (which I don't have). I suppose it's 
>> not safe to have the 1lb propane tank inside the boat eh? 
>> 
>> What have other non-propane boat owners done?
>> The hot water engine heat is nice when you're motoring now doubt, but we 
>> like to spend days at anchor and we're looking to extend our cruising into 
>> the fall next year. 
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> Steve
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Re: Stus-List Cabin Heat

[Joe Della Barba via CnC-List]

As we found out the hard way, those propane lockers are for looks, not 
gas-proofing. We had a job to switch a Bristol 40 from kerosene to propane heat 
and cooking. One of those lockers installed below got a very quick veto from 
the surveyor. They can be installed on deck for looks, but the lid cannot be 
counted on to be gas-tight below decks. We ended up mounting a nice varnished 
mahogany board to the stern rail and mounting a 6 pound vertical aluminum tank 
to it. It was fine to be naked as long as it was outside and not positioned to 
leak into the boat.

 

Joe Della Barba

j...@dellabarba.com <mailto:j...@dellabarba.com> 

 

Coquina

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Frederick G 
Street via CnC-List
Sent: Thursday, November 05, 2015 11:35 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Frederick G Street 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Cabin Heat

 

Steve — I’ve got a Dickinson P12000 on my LF38, and love it.  However, I’ve got 
a propane locker with two five-pound tanks in it; I teed off from the feed to 
the galley range (after the solenoid, inside the locker) and ran a separate 
propane line to the heater.

 

In your case, you would have to have some sort of external propane locker which 
is sealed, vented overboard and has a solenoid to control the gas.  Also, 
you’ll need a regulator to reduce the pressure of the gas in the tank to levels 
that the Dickinson could use (about 3-4 psi, if I recall correctly; and you’d 
need to do this regardless of whether you were using a large tank or the 
1-pound disposables).  Something like this, but you’d need to find a place to 
put it: 
http://www.go2marine.com/product/211547F/trident-propane-locker-fully-rigged-lpg-system.html

 

— Fred


Fred Street -- Minneapolis
S/V Oceanis (1979 C&C Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI   :^(

 

On Nov 5, 2015, at 9:57 AM, Stevan Plavsa via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote:

 

Not sure if this needs a separate thread but I've been looking at the Dickinson 
heaters, the Propane P9000. I don't have diesel on board and my early 32 
doesn't have a propane locker. Seems you can run these things off of 1lb 
disposable tanks but if I'm reading it correctly, they must be located outside 
or in a propane locker (which I don't have). I suppose it's not safe to have 
the 1lb propane tank inside the boat eh? 

 

What have other non-propane boat owners done?

The hot water engine heat is nice when you're motoring now doubt, but we like 
to spend days at anchor and we're looking to extend our cruising into the fall 
next year. 

 

Thanks,

Steve

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Re: Stus-List Cabin Heat

[Frederick G Street via CnC-List]

Steve — I’ve got a Dickinson P12000 on my LF38, and love it.  However, I’ve got 
a propane locker with two five-pound tanks in it; I teed off from the feed to 
the galley range (after the solenoid, inside the locker) and ran a separate 
propane line to the heater.

In your case, you would have to have some sort of external propane locker which 
is sealed, vented overboard and has a solenoid to control the gas.  Also, 
you’ll need a regulator to reduce the pressure of the gas in the tank to levels 
that the Dickinson could use (about 3-4 psi, if I recall correctly; and you’d 
need to do this regardless of whether you were using a large tank or the 
1-pound disposables).  Something like this, but you’d need to find a place to 
put it: 
http://www.go2marine.com/product/211547F/trident-propane-locker-fully-rigged-lpg-system.html

— Fred

Fred Street -- Minneapolis
S/V Oceanis (1979 C&C Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI   :^(

> On Nov 5, 2015, at 9:57 AM, Stevan Plavsa via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> Not sure if this needs a separate thread but I've been looking at the 
> Dickinson heaters, the Propane P9000. I don't have diesel on board and my 
> early 32 doesn't have a propane locker. Seems you can run these things off of 
> 1lb disposable tanks but if I'm reading it correctly, they must be located 
> outside or in a propane locker (which I don't have). I suppose it's not safe 
> to have the 1lb propane tank inside the boat eh? 
> 
> What have other non-propane boat owners done?
> The hot water engine heat is nice when you're motoring now doubt, but we like 
> to spend days at anchor and we're looking to extend our cruising into the 
> fall next year. 
> 
> Thanks,
> Steve
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Re: Stus-List Cabin Heat

[Joe Della Barba via CnC-List]

Besides for the danger, those 1 pound bottles would not last long at all.

We had a solid fuel heater on a wooden ketch we used to have when I was young. 
It was nice on a chilly morning. 

 

Joe Della Barba

j...@dellabarba.com <mailto:j...@dellabarba.com> 

 

Coquina

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Stevan 
Plavsa via CnC-List
Sent: Thursday, November 05, 2015 10:58 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Stevan Plavsa 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Cabin Heat

 

Not sure if this needs a separate thread but I've been looking at the Dickinson 
heaters, the Propane P9000. I don't have diesel on board and my early 32 
doesn't have a propane locker. Seems you can run these things off of 1lb 
disposable tanks but if I'm reading it correctly, they must be located outside 
or in a propane locker (which I don't have). I suppose it's not safe to have 
the 1lb propane tank inside the boat eh? 

 

What have other non-propane boat owners done?

The hot water engine heat is nice when you're motoring now doubt, but we like 
to spend days at anchor and we're looking to extend our cruising into the fall 
next year. 

 

Thanks,

Steve

 

 

On Thu, Nov 5, 2015 at 8:40 AM, Joe Della Barba via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote:

That all depends on how they get plumbed in. The way the A4 works the heater is 
in the heat exchanger loop after the thermostat, so it is not providing “extra” 
cooling. The A4 does not have a separate heater loop like many diesel engines 
(and car engines for that matter).  

 

Joe Della Barba

j...@dellabarba.com <mailto:j...@dellabarba.com> 

 

Coquina

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<mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com> ] On Behalf Of Martin DeYoung via 
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Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2015 7:53 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> 
Cc: Martin DeYoung mailto:mdeyo...@deyoungmfg.com> >


Subject: Re: Stus-List Cabin Heat

 

Ron,

 

My understanding is an extra heat exchanger like the Red Hot cabin heater acts 
similar to an un-controlled radiator.  Calypso’s Perkins 4-108’s T-stat 
controls the flow of coolant through the raw water/coolant heat exchanger 
providing the ability to operate at the desired 180F.  If another heat 
exchanger is added that is not controlled by the engine T-stat it may be 
possible to remove enough waste heat to prevent the engine from reaching 180F.

 

When originally looking at how to heat Calypso’s cabin it was clear we would 
need at least two Red Hot type heat exchangers.  I don’t recall exactly who 
brought up the issue of removing too much waste heat but it was likely one of 
the diesel mechanics that has worked on Calypso’s 4-108.  I expect if we were 
running the 4-108 at 80% to 90% of capacity there would be plenty of extra heat 
available.  Our typical fall/winter use of the auxiliary engine is motoring for 
a short distance in calm conditions using less that 50% of the available 
horsepower.

 

I expect that a Red Hot could be plumbed in between the T-stat and the engine’s 
heat exchanger or have its own T-stat added if a cool running diesel engine 
became a problem.  As Joe indicated the A-4 and other gasoline engines do not 
seem to have a shortage of waste heat.  Diesels really prefer to be in that 
180/190F operating temp range.  Any day now I will be covering up part of my 
Cummins powered pickup truck’s radiator as my commute drive is too short and 
too slow to allow the engine to hit full operating temp and the local Rozzers 
frown on my need to speed in the interest of getting that Cummins up to temp.

 

Martin DeYoung

Calypso

1971 C&C 43

Seattle




 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Ronald B. 
Frerker via CnC-List
Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2015 2:37 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> 
Cc: Ronald B. Frerker
Subject: Re: Stus-List Cabin Heat

 

Don't these marine engines have thermostats that open/close to keep the engine 
temp constant?

If so, then would it be a problem draining off heat since it's only waste  
heat; the engine will still be constant.

Ron

Wild Cheri

C&C 30-1

STL

 

 


  _  


From: "Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List" mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> >
To: "'cnc-list@cnc-list.com <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> '" 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > 
Cc: "Della Barba, Joe" mailto:joe.della.ba...@ssa.gov> > 
Sent: Wednesday, November 4, 2015 2:11 PM
Subject: Re: Stus-List Cabin Heat

 

Seeing as the engine is an Atomic 4, taking too much heat out of a *diesel* 
will likely not be an issue :)

I fully agree a hot water diesel boiler is way better than engine heat, but the 
cost difference is huge and I don’t have diesel fuel aboard anyway. Thanks for 
the info.

 

Joe DB

 


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Re: Stus-List Cabin Heat

[Stevan Plavsa via CnC-List]

Not sure if this needs a separate thread but I've been looking at the
Dickinson heaters, the Propane P9000. I don't have diesel on board and my
early 32 doesn't have a propane locker. Seems you can run these things off
of 1lb disposable tanks but if I'm reading it correctly, they must be
located outside or in a propane locker (which I don't have). I suppose it's
not safe to have the 1lb propane tank inside the boat eh?

What have other non-propane boat owners done?
The hot water engine heat is nice when you're motoring now doubt, but we
like to spend days at anchor and we're looking to extend our cruising into
the fall next year.

Thanks,
Steve


On Thu, Nov 5, 2015 at 8:40 AM, Joe Della Barba via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> That all depends on how they get plumbed in. The way the A4 works the
> heater is in the heat exchanger loop after the thermostat, so it is not
> providing “extra” cooling. The A4 does not have a separate heater loop like
> many diesel engines (and car engines for that matter).
>
>
>
> Joe Della Barba
>
> j...@dellabarba.com
>
>
>
> Coquina
>
> *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *Martin
> DeYoung via CnC-List
> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 04, 2015 7:53 PM
> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> *Cc:* Martin DeYoung 
>
> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Cabin Heat
>
>
>
> Ron,
>
>
>
> My understanding is an extra heat exchanger like the Red Hot cabin heater
> acts similar to an un-controlled radiator.  Calypso’s Perkins 4-108’s
> T-stat controls the flow of coolant through the raw water/coolant heat
> exchanger providing the ability to operate at the desired 180F.  If another
> heat exchanger is added that is not controlled by the engine T-stat it may
> be possible to remove enough waste heat to prevent the engine from reaching
> 180F.
>
>
>
> When originally looking at how to heat Calypso’s cabin it was clear we
> would need at least two Red Hot type heat exchangers.  I don’t recall
> exactly who brought up the issue of removing too much waste heat but it was
> likely one of the diesel mechanics that has worked on Calypso’s 4-108.  I
> expect if we were running the 4-108 at 80% to 90% of capacity there would
> be plenty of extra heat available.  Our typical fall/winter use of the
> auxiliary engine is motoring for a short distance in calm conditions using
> less that 50% of the available horsepower.
>
>
>
> I expect that a Red Hot could be plumbed in between the T-stat and the
> engine’s heat exchanger or have its own T-stat added if a cool running
> diesel engine became a problem.  As Joe indicated the A-4 and other
> gasoline engines do not seem to have a shortage of waste heat.  Diesels
> really prefer to be in that 180/190F operating temp range.  Any day now I
> will be covering up part of my Cummins powered pickup truck’s radiator as
> my commute drive is too short and too slow to allow the engine to hit full
> operating temp and the local Rozzers frown on my need to speed in the
> interest of getting that Cummins up to temp.
>
>
>
> Martin DeYoung
>
> Calypso
>
> 1971 C&C 43
>
> Seattle
>
>
> [image: Description: Description: Description:
> cid:D1BF9853-22F7-47FB-86F2-4115CE0BAF2F]
>
>
>
> *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com
> ] *On Behalf Of *Ronald B. Frerker via
> CnC-List
> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 04, 2015 2:37 PM
> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> *Cc:* Ronald B. Frerker
> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Cabin Heat
>
>
>
> Don't these marine engines have thermostats that open/close to keep the
> engine temp constant?
>
> If so, then would it be a problem draining off heat since it's only waste
>  heat; the engine will still be constant.
>
> Ron
>
> Wild Cheri
>
> C&C 30-1
>
> STL
>
>
>
>
> --
>
> *From:* "Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List" 
> *To:* "'cnc-list@cnc-list.com'" 
> *Cc:* "Della Barba, Joe" 
> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 4, 2015 2:11 PM
> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Cabin Heat
>
>
>
> Seeing as the engine is an Atomic 4, taking too much heat out of a *
> *diesel** will likely not be an issue J
>
> I fully agree a hot water diesel boiler is way better than engine heat,
> but the cost difference is huge and I don’t have diesel fuel aboard anyway.
> Thanks for the info.
>
>
>
> Joe DB
>
>
>
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Re: Stus-List Cabin Heat

[Joe Della Barba via CnC-List]

That all depends on how they get plumbed in. The way the A4 works the heater is 
in the heat exchanger loop after the thermostat, so it is not providing “extra” 
cooling. The A4 does not have a separate heater loop like many diesel engines 
(and car engines for that matter).  

 

Joe Della Barba

j...@dellabarba.com <mailto:j...@dellabarba.com> 

 

Coquina

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Martin 
DeYoung via CnC-List
Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2015 7:53 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Martin DeYoung 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Cabin Heat

 

Ron,

 

My understanding is an extra heat exchanger like the Red Hot cabin heater acts 
similar to an un-controlled radiator.  Calypso’s Perkins 4-108’s T-stat 
controls the flow of coolant through the raw water/coolant heat exchanger 
providing the ability to operate at the desired 180F.  If another heat 
exchanger is added that is not controlled by the engine T-stat it may be 
possible to remove enough waste heat to prevent the engine from reaching 180F.

 

When originally looking at how to heat Calypso’s cabin it was clear we would 
need at least two Red Hot type heat exchangers.  I don’t recall exactly who 
brought up the issue of removing too much waste heat but it was likely one of 
the diesel mechanics that has worked on Calypso’s 4-108.  I expect if we were 
running the 4-108 at 80% to 90% of capacity there would be plenty of extra heat 
available.  Our typical fall/winter use of the auxiliary engine is motoring for 
a short distance in calm conditions using less that 50% of the available 
horsepower.

 

I expect that a Red Hot could be plumbed in between the T-stat and the engine’s 
heat exchanger or have its own T-stat added if a cool running diesel engine 
became a problem.  As Joe indicated the A-4 and other gasoline engines do not 
seem to have a shortage of waste heat.  Diesels really prefer to be in that 
180/190F operating temp range.  Any day now I will be covering up part of my 
Cummins powered pickup truck’s radiator as my commute drive is too short and 
too slow to allow the engine to hit full operating temp and the local Rozzers 
frown on my need to speed in the interest of getting that Cummins up to temp.

 

Martin DeYoung

Calypso

1971 C&C 43

Seattle




 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Ronald B. 
Frerker via CnC-List
Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2015 2:37 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> 
Cc: Ronald B. Frerker
Subject: Re: Stus-List Cabin Heat

 

Don't these marine engines have thermostats that open/close to keep the engine 
temp constant?

If so, then would it be a problem draining off heat since it's only waste  
heat; the engine will still be constant.

Ron

Wild Cheri

C&C 30-1

STL

 

 

  _  

From: "Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List" mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> >
To: "'cnc-list@cnc-list.com'" mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > 
Cc: "Della Barba, Joe" mailto:joe.della.ba...@ssa.gov> > 
Sent: Wednesday, November 4, 2015 2:11 PM
Subject: Re: Stus-List Cabin Heat

 

Seeing as the engine is an Atomic 4, taking too much heat out of a *diesel* 
will likely not be an issue :)

I fully agree a hot water diesel boiler is way better than engine heat, but the 
cost difference is huge and I don’t have diesel fuel aboard anyway. Thanks for 
the info.

 

Joe DB

 

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Re: Stus-List Cabin Heat

[Martin DeYoung via CnC-List]

Ron,

My understanding is an extra heat exchanger like the Red Hot cabin heater acts 
similar to an un-controlled radiator.  Calypso’s Perkins 4-108’s T-stat 
controls the flow of coolant through the raw water/coolant heat exchanger 
providing the ability to operate at the desired 180F.  If another heat 
exchanger is added that is not controlled by the engine T-stat it may be 
possible to remove enough waste heat to prevent the engine from reaching 180F.

When originally looking at how to heat Calypso’s cabin it was clear we would 
need at least two Red Hot type heat exchangers.  I don’t recall exactly who 
brought up the issue of removing too much waste heat but it was likely one of 
the diesel mechanics that has worked on Calypso’s 4-108.  I expect if we were 
running the 4-108 at 80% to 90% of capacity there would be plenty of extra heat 
available.  Our typical fall/winter use of the auxiliary engine is motoring for 
a short distance in calm conditions using less that 50% of the available 
horsepower.

I expect that a Red Hot could be plumbed in between the T-stat and the engine’s 
heat exchanger or have its own T-stat added if a cool running diesel engine 
became a problem.  As Joe indicated the A-4 and other gasoline engines do not 
seem to have a shortage of waste heat.  Diesels really prefer to be in that 
180/190F operating temp range.  Any day now I will be covering up part of my 
Cummins powered pickup truck’s radiator as my commute drive is too short and 
too slow to allow the engine to hit full operating temp and the local Rozzers 
frown on my need to speed in the interest of getting that Cummins up to temp.

Martin DeYoung
Calypso
1971 C&C 43
Seattle

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cid:D1BF9853-22F7-47FB-86F2-4115CE0BAF2F]

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Ronald B. 
Frerker via CnC-List
Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2015 2:37 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Ronald B. Frerker
Subject: Re: Stus-List Cabin Heat

Don't these marine engines have thermostats that open/close to keep the engine 
temp constant?
If so, then would it be a problem draining off heat since it's only waste  
heat; the engine will still be constant.
Ron
Wild Cheri
C&C 30-1
STL



From: "Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List" 
To: "'cnc-list@cnc-list.com'" 
Cc: "Della Barba, Joe" 
Sent: Wednesday, November 4, 2015 2:11 PM
Subject: Re: Stus-List Cabin Heat

Seeing as the engine is an Atomic 4, taking too much heat out of a *diesel* 
will likely not be an issue ☺
I fully agree a hot water diesel boiler is way better than engine heat, but the 
cost difference is huge and I don’t have diesel fuel aboard anyway. Thanks for 
the info.

Joe DB

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Re: Stus-List Cabin Heat

[Ronald B. Frerker via CnC-List]

Don't these marine engines have thermostats that open/close to keep the engine 
temp constant?If so, then would it be a problem draining off heat since it's 
only waste  heat; the engine will still be constant.RonWild CheriC&C 30-1STL

  From: "Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List" 
 To: "'cnc-list@cnc-list.com'"  
Cc: "Della Barba, Joe"  
 Sent: Wednesday, November 4, 2015 2:11 PM
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{}#yiv4054481496 Seeing as the engine is an Atomic 4, taking too much heat out 
of a *diesel* will likely not be an issueJ I fully agree a hot water diesel 
boiler is way better than engine heat, but the cost difference is huge and I 
don’t have diesel fuel aboard anyway. Thanks for the info.    Joe DB 
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Re: Stus-List Cabin Heat

[Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List]

Seeing as the engine is an Atomic 4, taking too much heat out of a *diesel* 
will likely not be an issue ☺
I fully agree a hot water diesel boiler is way better than engine heat, but the 
cost difference is huge and I don’t have diesel fuel aboard anyway. Thanks for 
the info.

Joe DB

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Joe,

The one caveat I have heard involves taking too much waste heat out of a small 
diesel engine resulting in running cooler than optimum.

Calypso has a Perkins 4-108 4 cylinder diesel engine.  To heat Calypso’s cabin 
we would have needed two heat exchangers and at least 60’ of hose.  Several 
diesel mechanics I talked with indicated the Perkins 4-108, in typical PNW 
usage and 50F temp raw water did not have an over-abundance of waste heat.

If the engine operating temp would not be an issue for your installation I have 
heard good things about the Red Hot brand of heat exchangers but I have not 
installed one.

We chose to install a Webasto Thermo-90S diesel heater to heat its own coolant 
that circulates through a domestic water heater and three heat exchangers.  The 
system is able to heat the cabin to 75F+ on winter days and provide plenty of 
hot water for galley or shower use.  The system ran for 16 years before its 
first service call (last week).  Changing out a burner assembly, fuel and 
coolant filters, and balancing the air intake and exhaust hoses was all that 
was needed.  The Webasto T-90 is now set to provide enough heat for us to paint 
and cure epoxy all winter.

Sure Marine in Seattle provided the parts and service and I was very satisfied. 
 I expect they also sell engine waste heat powered heat exchangers if you are 
looking for professional advice.

Martin DeYoung
Calypso
1971 C&C 43
Seattle

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Subject: Stus-List Cabin Heat

Does anyone have hot water cabin heat?
I am converting my engine to FWC and am planning to install a cabin heater. I 
am wondering if anyone has done this and where they put the heater. I am not 
looking forward to buying 70 feet of hose, but I think having the heater 
forward will work better than back aft.
Joe
Coquina
C&C 35 MK I
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Re: Stus-List Cabin Heat

[Rick via CnC-List]

Joe,

I did have a Red Dot unit installed in a previous boat that had a two speed 
fan. High, and Inferno were the settings.  No thermostat! but it only ran when 
the engine was fully charging!  It was mounted in the engine space and vented 
forward.  One vent, but man it blew hot air like nobody’s business.  

Even then we sailed in the NW year round, and that heater made the winter 
tolerable.  In the winter there is too much weather or too little, so we did 
plenty of motoring.   Took less than an hour to turn the boat into a very dry 
and comfortable place to hang out.  We then would maintain with diesel heat 
while onboard.  

I am looking for a unit like this to push engine heat through the existing 
heating system aboard our C&C 37+ (Espar D2 with 4 outlets), and I think I have 
found it at Fisheries Supply.  

My Controller (wife too) is very close to signing off on that purchase.  She is 
so cool! (just in case she reads this, I am buttering her up).  Christmas Eve 
with the family will be in Seattle/Bell Harbor on the boat, so it has to be 
warm!

Merry Merry!

Rick

Paikea 37+

Poulsbo, WA









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Hi Joe
I've got a unit like Mike's Heatercraft, under the settee, and I've got a two 
vent unit under the v-berth, this feeds into the v-berth and also into the 
head.  I'm running an Espar though, not running it off the engine.  Works great.

Graham Collins
Secret Plans
C&C 35-III #11

On 2015-11-03 12:31 PM, Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List wrote:




Does anyone have hot water cabin heat?

I am converting my engine to FWC and am planning to install a cabin heater. I 
am wondering if anyone has done this and where they put the heater. I am not 
looking forward to buying 70 feet of hose, but I think having the heater 
forward will work better than back aft.

Joe

Coquina

C&C 35 MK I



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Re: Stus-List Cabin Heat

[Graham Collins via CnC-List]

Hi Joe
I've got a unit like Mike's Heatercraft, under the settee, and I've got 
a two vent unit under the v-berth, this feeds into the v-berth and also 
into the head.  I'm running an Espar though, not running it off the 
engine.  Works great.


Graham Collins
Secret Plans
C&C 35-III #11

On 2015-11-03 12:31 PM, Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List wrote:


Does anyone have hot water cabin heat?

I am converting my engine to FWC and am planning to install a cabin 
heater. I am wondering if anyone has done this and where they put the 
heater. I am not looking forward to buying 70 feet of hose, but I 
think having the heater forward will work better than back aft.


Joe

Coquina

C&C 35 MK I



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Stus-List cabin heat

[Bradley Lumgair via CnC-List]

I have a small heater in on Pulse (C&C 33 MkII) (yanmar 2GM20F) put it in the 
cabinet under the galley sink, ran the line from the engine through the heater 
with bypass valves, to the heat exchanger on the water heater.  Bought a 
compact all in one unit from Princess Auto. It has a small fan much the size of 
a cooling fan from a computer in it. Kept the cabin warm on the way back from 
Muskegon (430 miles) through Mackinaw this spring through some adverse weather 
conditions. I got no complaints from the galley staff. ;) Its out of sight  
until I need heat, then I just open the cabinet door, flip the switch and open 
a valve.

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Re: Stus-List Cabin Heat

[Martin DeYoung via CnC-List]

Joe,

The one caveat I have heard involves taking too much waste heat out of a small 
diesel engine resulting in running cooler than optimum.

Calypso has a Perkins 4-108 4 cylinder diesel engine.  To heat Calypso’s cabin 
we would have needed two heat exchangers and at least 60’ of hose.  Several 
diesel mechanics I talked with indicated the Perkins 4-108, in typical PNW 
usage and 50F temp raw water did not have an over-abundance of waste heat.

If the engine operating temp would not be an issue for your installation I have 
heard good things about the Red Hot brand of heat exchangers but I have not 
installed one.

We chose to install a Webasto Thermo-90S diesel heater to heat its own coolant 
that circulates through a domestic water heater and three heat exchangers.  The 
system is able to heat the cabin to 75F+ on winter days and provide plenty of 
hot water for galley or shower use.  The system ran for 16 years before its 
first service call (last week).  Changing out a burner assembly, fuel and 
coolant filters, and balancing the air intake and exhaust hoses was all that 
was needed.  The Webasto T-90 is now set to provide enough heat for us to paint 
and cure epoxy all winter.

Sure Marine in Seattle provided the parts and service and I was very satisfied. 
 I expect they also sell engine waste heat powered heat exchangers if you are 
looking for professional advice.

Martin DeYoung
Calypso
1971 C&C 43
Seattle

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Joe via CnC-List
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To: 'cnc-list@cnc-list.com'
Cc: Della Barba, Joe
Subject: Stus-List Cabin Heat

Does anyone have hot water cabin heat?
I am converting my engine to FWC and am planning to install a cabin heater. I 
am wondering if anyone has done this and where they put the heater. I am not 
looking forward to buying 70 feet of hose, but I think having the heater 
forward will work better than back aft.
Joe
Coquina
C&C 35 MK I
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Re: Stus-List Cabin Heat

[Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List]

Joe

I did this last month on my Frers 33.  I used the Heater Craft cabin heater 
that I purchased at The Binnacle in Halifax 
http://ca.binnacle.com/p8587/HEATER-CRAFT-COMPACT-CABIN-HEATER/product_info.html
  This is also the same heater as is installed in the C&C115 Koobalibra that we 
race.

The location I chose for installation was on the knee wall of the port side 
quaterberth facing into the cabin.  I did this for several reasons influenced 
heavily by having nowhere else close to the engine to install it.  I took the 
coolant line that feeds the hot water heater and diverted it to the cabin 
heater first and from there to the hot water heater.  The location I chose is 
extremely close to the engine which also was a contributing factor.  My biggest 
concern is that the coolant lines now running in a locker are at risk of being 
damaged or bumped into by items stored in that locker.  This I rectify by not 
storing anything in that locker.  Some sort of partition will likely be 
installed prior to next season to protect the coolant lines.

The entire installation process took me 2.5 hours.  It also requires electrical 
connections to a fuse on your fuse panel so running the wires can take as long 
as the coolant hoses.  The kit came with everything I needed except extra 
coolant hose and clamps.  All necessary wiring was included.

The heater works well when the RPMS are 2000 or higher.  I run on either the 
low or the high fan settings.

Hope this helps

Mike
Persistence
1987 Frers 33
Halifax, NS

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Subject: Stus-List Cabin Heat

Does anyone have hot water cabin heat?
I am converting my engine to FWC and am planning to install a cabin heater. I 
am wondering if anyone has done this and where they put the heater. I am not 
looking forward to buying 70 feet of hose, but I think having the heater 
forward will work better than back aft.
Joe
Coquina
C&C 35 MK I
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Stus-List Cabin Heat

[Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List]

Does anyone have hot water cabin heat?
I am converting my engine to FWC and am planning to install a cabin heater. I 
am wondering if anyone has done this and where they put the heater. I am not 
looking forward to buying 70 feet of hose, but I think having the heater 
forward will work better than back aft.
Joe
Coquina
C&C 35 MK I
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Re: Stus-List Cabin heat

[Jim Watts]

Our marina has a rule about no unattended thermostatically-controlled
heaters, but the little Caframo flying saucers are allowed. A little heat
with fan behind it makes a huge difference in the damp level inside the
boat.


On 8 January 2014 08:01, Della Barba, Joe  wrote:

> A few reasons.
> 1. If I go down to work on the boat I don't have to wait for hours for the
> boat to heat up.
> 2. Seems to keep mold and damp from building up. In Maryland at least you
> will typically cycle from below to above freezing frequently, sometimes
> every day.
> 3. If we get a nice day and I decide to go sailing the interior is not
> cold-soaked.
> 4. We have quite an overlap in Maryland where it *might* freeze but the
> sailing is good too. Also see frostbite racers. Not everyone wants to
> re-winterize their engine 10 times a year.
>
> Joe Della Barba
> Coquina
> C&C 35 MK I
>
> -Original Message-
> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of
> Maturo, John
> Sent: Wednesday, January 08, 2014 9:27 AM
> To: 
> Subject: Stus-List Cabin heat
>
> We are not allowed to have heaters or any other electrical devices plugged
> in overnight. I am in Branford ct. I am interested in thought on this issue
> and why a properly winterized boat needs to be heated.
>
> John Maturo
> 203-494-6782
> Ashe Baltic 39
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Re: Stus-List Cabin heat

[Della Barba, Joe]

A few reasons.
1. If I go down to work on the boat I don't have to wait for hours for the boat 
to heat up.
2. Seems to keep mold and damp from building up. In Maryland at least you will 
typically cycle from below to above freezing frequently, sometimes every day.
3. If we get a nice day and I decide to go sailing the interior is not 
cold-soaked.
4. We have quite an overlap in Maryland where it *might* freeze but the sailing 
is good too. Also see frostbite racers. Not everyone wants to re-winterize 
their engine 10 times a year.

Joe Della Barba
Coquina
C&C 35 MK I

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Sent: Wednesday, January 08, 2014 9:27 AM
To: 
Subject: Stus-List Cabin heat

We are not allowed to have heaters or any other electrical devices plugged in 
overnight. I am in Branford ct. I am interested in thought on this issue and 
why a properly winterized boat needs to be heated. 

John Maturo
203-494-6782
Ashe Baltic 39

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Stus-List Cabin heat

[Maturo, John]

We are not allowed to have heaters or any other electrical devices plugged in 
overnight. I am in Branford ct. I am interested in thought on this issue and 
why a properly winterized boat needs to be heated. 

John Maturo
203-494-6782
Ashe Baltic 39

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>   4. Re:  Instrument Panel Advice (Graham Collins)
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> Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2014 18:19:23 -0500
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> Power came back - but THANKS!
> Btw- what do you all set your boat heaters to? I have been trying to keep the 
> cabin around 50.
> 
> Joe Della Barba
> Coquina
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> Let me know if you need a place to stay.  Fawcetts had generators in stock 
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> Hi Josh, Edd,
> 
> I just put the whole collection up for fun.  There are more single tier
> panels like mine (the 4th photo in the set) and not as many two tier like
> yours.  There are a few other variations, such as the ones with different
> breaker panels (usually the boats built in '93 or '94) and a couple with
> all wood panels which look nice too.  The white one in Blue Pearl is
> different.  There are two from your SeaHawk in there too.
> 
> Ken H.
> 
> 
>> On 7 January 2014 17:38, Josh Muckley  wrote:
>> 
>> Edd,
>> Her are the pics you requested.  I suppose it probably needs two more
>> latches in the middle.  It has a little rattle right now but being that we
>> didn't have solid plans I didn't want to make drastic modifications.
>> 
>> Ken,
>> You can add my Nav Station to your collection.   I cleaned off the winter
>> projects just for you.
>> 
>> https://docs.google.com/folder/d/0B8pEh5lnvP1yNGhiaThMcFdtWUU/edit
>> 
>> Josh Muckley
>> S/V Sea Hawk
>>> On Jan 7, 2014 3:25 PM, "Josh Muckley"  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Edd,
>>> 
>>> I'll get pics today.  1/4" plexi would work well.  The 1/8" was actually
>>> too thin for the latches to latch on the back panel.  I had to thicken it a
>>> little.
>>> 
>>> Josh
 On Jan 7, 2014 10:37 AM, "Edd Schillay"  wrote:
 
 Josh,
 
 I would love to see some pics. I was thinking of going with black
 semi-translucent panels that could give me some easy access and be easy to
 cut into. And, I could put ?bridge graphics? in the areas where I have
 nothing (http://i.imgur.com/4nchY.jpg)
 
 Could make for an interesting project. I just getting tired at looking
 at a LORAN unit that I never use ? I don?t even think they are transmitting
 LORAN anymore.
 
 
 All the best,
 
 Edd
 
 
 Edd M. Schillay
 Starship Enterprise
 C&C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
 City Island, NY
 Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log 
 Website
 
 On Jan 6, 2014, at 6:10 PM, Josh Muckley  wrote:
 
 Edd,
 
 I got a 2'x4' sheet of 1/8 inch ABS black plastic (grainger item 1ZBT4 =
 $25.30).  I cut and rounded the corners and filed/sanded the edges.  Then I
 also got some quarter turn latches (EMKA #ELH-861 in black = $6.65 x4).  I
 cut the plastic sheet to take up the whole height and widt