Re: Stus-List Got a New 135% Head Sail

[dwight veinot via CnC-List]

you should be looking at how it works on your boat
Dwight Veinot
C 35 MKII, Alianna
Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS
d.ve...@bellaliant.net



On Wed, Feb 24, 2016 at 5:30 PM, Danny Haughey via CnC-List
 wrote:
> Hello all,
>
> I just received my new head sail from Precision sail loft last night!  I'll
> be unrolling it tonight to have a first look.  I took a chance to order
> online from this Canadian based company.  The sail was built in Sri Lanka
> from what I can tell.  I ordered the Challenge High Modulus Dacron.
>
> My question is, what should I be looking for as I inspect the new sail?  I
> plan on comparing the old Rolly Tasker head sail and the relatively new
> seeming Main.  Other than that, I don't really know enough about sails to
> know if I got what I paid for.  I'll probably unroll it and snap a bunch of
> pics if anyone would be interested.
>
> Thanks for any insights and advice you may be able to offer.
>
> Danny
> T40
> Rum Runner IV
> Mattapoisett, MA
>
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Re: Stus-List Got a New 135% Head Sail

[Stevan Plavsa via CnC-List]

I didn't mean to imply that the lofts were quite that bad, they weren't.
People were nice enough but I got the feeling their minds were elsewhere,
their attention at the boat show, the timeliness of replies etc was pretty
indicative.

Maybe my problem is Toronto :)
There's a lot of money in this town and the reality is that I am a small
fish. Better business elsewhere.

If I was racing I'm sure the benefits of the local guys would outweigh any
cost advantage the foreign lofts have. Fair enough.

For the little guys like me with the old boat, the foreign lofts present a
good value, and I'm not racing. The sail shape is night and day better than
the old sail, that's enough to please me.

I'm still the limiting factor, not the sails :)

Seems there's an opportunity here for a new kind of freelance middle man.
The guy who will come out to your boat and do all the measuring, consulting
and test sail.

Steve
Suhana, C 32
Toronto
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Re: Stus-List Got a New 135% Head Sail

[Josh Muckley via CnC-List]

Danny,

As I recall, my main needed the slugs for the tides marine strong track
installed.  So in order to finish the sail, the loft had to take deliery.
With my headsail it was complete straight off the boat from South Africa.
So, I guess maybe the loft paid the delivery for the former so they could
finish it.

Josh

On Thu, Feb 25, 2016, 11:56 AM Danny Haughey via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Hi Josh,
>
> So, your local loft had a complete sail delivered from somewhere?  They
> didn't actually construct the sail?  I heard most of the biggies, Doyle,
> North, Quantum, all actually assemble some of their sails off shore.
>
> Just wondering if that is what yours was.
>
> Danny
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: Josh Muckley via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
> To: "C List" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
> Cc: Josh Muckley <muckl...@gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Got a New 135% Head Sail
> Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2016 11:37:39 -0500
>
> Just for the record, my local loft won't make a quote until they measure
> the boat.  They won't make the order until %50 payment is received.
>
> Frustratingly, on my most recent purchase, they weren't allowed to take
> delivery from the manufacturer until full payment was made.  I fully
> expected to be able to keep %50 until delivery to me after a full
> inspection.  I capitulated, made payment in full, and the sail was
> delivered.  Inspection was satisfactory and now the loft is storing it free
> of charge.  It all worked out.
>
> I will admit that sometimes it does feel a little bit like I'm just a
> small fry and that I'm wasting their time.  A little part of me gets it
> though, lookie loos and shoppers take time and don't make money.  So, in a
> way the guy that has already opened his wallet has paid to be top priority.
>
> Josh Muckley
> S/V Sea Hawk
> 1989 C 37+
> Solomons, MD
> On Feb 25, 2016 9:59 AM, "Stevan Plavsa via CnC-List" <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>> I purchased a Rolly Tasker 155 a couple of years ago for Suhana. It's a
>> good sail but like the OP, I have nothing to compare it against except the
>> original genoa which was deteriorating. So, leagues better than what I had.
>> It was $1600 shipped to my door from Thailand and arrived two weeks after I
>> placed the order. The local lofts all wanted about double for same/similar
>> features and a lot more time.
>>
>> Here's the rub and here's where I disagree with people on this list and
>> others that tout the "support" and "cusomter service" of the local guys. I
>> was treated better by the foreign sail loft. They answered my emails in a
>> timely way, they were polite and *interested*. The locals, almost all of
>> them, had a standoffish, almost arrogant attitude and they were slow to
>> provide pricing and email replies. to me, that's terrible customer service.
>> First and foremost, I want to be treated like a valued customer and that
>> starts with the first hello, it doesn't start after I open my checkbook and
>> they come out to my boat.
>>
>> No thanks.
>>
>> Steve
>> Suhana, C 32
>> Toronto
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Feb 25, 2016 at 9:06 AM, Dennis C. via CnC-List <
>> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>>
>>> My last North 155 Mylar/Kevlar was made in Sri Lanka as was much of the
>>> clothes hanging in our closets.  One of my sailing buddies retired from
>>> Kellwood.  Kellwood, VF, and a few others make most clothing sold in the
>>> US.  He frequently traveled to offshore Kellwood facilities.  He told me
>>> the North Sails plant was next door to one of the Kellwood sites.
>>>
>>> Bottom line is he said the quality control systems in these offshore
>>> facilities is as stringent as onshore plants.
>>>
>>> My local sail maker made me a 155 years ago.  We were in position for
>>> 3rd in class in a regatta when the tack on the sail let go.  Seems he
>>> forgot to sew on the web reinforcement through the tack ring.  He was on a
>>> nearby boat and watched as the sail ripped 1/3 of the way up the luff tape.
>>>
>>> When we got back to the pier he came over and asked what happened.  I
>>> reached in my pocket, pulled out the tack ring and handed it to him.  He
>>> repaired it but it will always be a repaired sail.
>>>
>>> So much for Made in USA quality.
>>>
>>> Dennis C.
>>> Touche' 35-1 #83
>>> Mandeville, LA
>>> On Feb 24, 2016 3:32 PM, "Danny Haughey via CnC-List" <
>>> cnc-list@cnc-list.com

Re: Stus-List Got a New 135% Head Sail

[Danny Haughey via CnC-List]

I was a plumber in a previous life and this reminds me of the service that was 
extended at the plumbing supply companies.  I didn't mind back then because I 
got preferential treatment.  But if you weren't known to the guys in the supply 
house they would treat customers terribly.  Leave people standing there without 
even acknowledging them for 30 minutes or more.  Charging a 30% markup and just 
being rude if they ever did get around to serving them. Then came Home Depot 
with low prices for all and customer service for all.  Go into a local plumbing 
supply now and see a very different attitude.  I'm just a homeowner to them 
now.  I still have my plumbing license but I very rarely install any pipe or 
replace a water heater.  I like the service I get walking into a supply house 
now.   It's all supply and demand, you may have the supply to meet a demand 
but, so does the Inter-webs with free shipping and no attitudes.  You have to 
make people want to come into your establishment if you aren't the only place 
to get the product you're trying to sell. Usually, things find and even keel.  
Local prices start to compete with the online guys because they would rather 
sell more product and keep their standing with their supplier.  Lets say you 
sell one widget with $10 profit but you neighbor sells 10 widgets with a $1 
profit.  who is their supplier going to like more, the guy that sold one or the 
guy that sold ten?

-- Original Message --
From: Stevan Plavsa via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
Cc: Stevan Plavsa <stevanpla...@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Stus-List Got a New 135% Head Sail
Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2016 12:20:47 -0500


"I will admit that sometimes it does feel a little bit like I'm just a small 
fry and that I'm wasting their time.  A little part of me gets it though, 
lookie loos and shoppers take time and don't make money.  So, in a way the guy 
that has already opened his wallet has paid to be top priority." And I think 
this is the problem and why offshore companies are taking the business. You 
don't know who will open their wallet. The best approach is to show your good 
face to everyone that comes in the door. It's reasonable for a customer to shop 
around for sails. If they aren't prepared to entertain "looky loos" who are 
just trying to get the best value for their hard earned money, then the 
business goes elsewhere. It's simple customer service.  There's a generational 
gap here too. I find the older, established businesses with sales people that 
have "been around a long time" are the worst to deal with on a customer service 
level. The best companies I've dealt with are the younger companies, with 
younger sales reps, that 'get it'. Lastly, I'm a pretty young guy myself, I've 
probably got several more sale purchases in my lifetime, guess who won't be 
getting the next call? That's right, the local guys that didn't give me the 
time of day the first time around. The smart sellers see a customer for life. 
The lazy ones see a young guy "with no money". See my challenges getting 
pricing on a chartplotter at a local store here. Fred sent me most of the info 
and pricing I needed in about a matter of hours. I initiated my discourse with 
the local brick and mortar place over two weeks ago!!! And I went in there for 
new life lines and a chartplotter with accessories. Maybe not the biggest 
purchase they'll see this year but likely MY biggest purchase this year.  As a 
customer I'm fed up BECAUSE I WANT THE LOCAL SUPPORT. But the local support has 
to beef up the "support" part of the deal and act like they care about my 
business.  SteveSuhana, C 32Toronto  ___

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Re: Stus-List Got a New 135% Head Sail

[Dennis C. via CnC-List]

For a performance sail, the design is the most critical part.  Getting the
dimensions, draft, etc. right is what makes the sail fast.  Not every sail
maker knows the older C designs and how they sail.  Assembly can be in
any facility with good processes and quality control.

When I wanted a new headsail for my 35-1, I asked the Detroit 35-1 group
who designed their sails.  He worked for North.  My local North rep knew
him well.  They worked together to design the sail which was built in Sri
Lanka.

This day and age, sails are designed based on human inputs and then
computers cut the panels out for the assemblers.  The design, once
completed, is simply a file that can be sent to the assembly site anywhere
in the world.

Dennis C.
On Feb 25, 2016 11:41 AM, "Robert Boyer via CnC-List" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
wrote:

> My new Quantum sails were designed in the local Annapolis loft and made in
> Sri Lanka.  I found this out only because I asked after touring the
> Annapolis loft.  They only do repairs locally.
>
> Bob Boyer
>
> Sent from my iPhone, Bob Boyer
>
> On Feb 25, 2016, at 11:52 AM, Danny Haughey via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> Hi Josh,
>
> So, your local loft had a complete sail delivered from somewhere?  They
> didn't actually construct the sail?  I heard most of the biggies, Doyle,
> North, Quantum, all actually assemble some of their sails off shore.
>
> Just wondering if that is what yours was.
>
> Danny
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: Josh Muckley via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
> To: "C List" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
> Cc: Josh Muckley <muckl...@gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Got a New 135% Head Sail
> Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2016 11:37:39 -0500
>
> Just for the record, my local loft won't make a quote until they measure
> the boat.  They won't make the order until %50 payment is received.
>
> Frustratingly, on my most recent purchase, they weren't allowed to take
> delivery from the manufacturer until full payment was made.  I fully
> expected to be able to keep %50 until delivery to me after a full
> inspection.  I capitulated, made payment in full, and the sail was
> delivered.  Inspection was satisfactory and now the loft is storing it free
> of charge.  It all worked out.
>
> I will admit that sometimes it does feel a little bit like I'm just a
> small fry and that I'm wasting their time.  A little part of me gets it
> though, lookie loos and shoppers take time and don't make money.  So, in a
> way the guy that has already opened his wallet has paid to be top priority.
>
> Josh Muckley
> S/V Sea Hawk
> 1989 C 37+
> Solomons, MD
> On Feb 25, 2016 9:59 AM, "Stevan Plavsa via CnC-List" <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>> I purchased a Rolly Tasker 155 a couple of years ago for Suhana. It's a
>> good sail but like the OP, I have nothing to compare it against except the
>> original genoa which was deteriorating. So, leagues better than what I had.
>> It was $1600 shipped to my door from Thailand and arrived two weeks after I
>> placed the order. The local lofts all wanted about double for same/similar
>> features and a lot more time.
>>
>> Here's the rub and here's where I disagree with people on this list and
>> others that tout the "support" and "cusomter service" of the local guys. I
>> was treated better by the foreign sail loft. They answered my emails in a
>> timely way, they were polite and *interested*. The locals, almost all of
>> them, had a standoffish, almost arrogant attitude and they were slow to
>> provide pricing and email replies. to me, that's terrible customer service.
>> First and foremost, I want to be treated like a valued customer and that
>> starts with the first hello, it doesn't start after I open my checkbook and
>> they come out to my boat.
>>
>> No thanks.
>>
>> Steve
>> Suhana, C 32
>> Toronto
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Feb 25, 2016 at 9:06 AM, Dennis C. via CnC-List <
>> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>>
>>> My last North 155 Mylar/Kevlar was made in Sri Lanka as was much of the
>>> clothes hanging in our closets.  One of my sailing buddies retired from
>>> Kellwood.  Kellwood, VF, and a few others make most clothing sold in the
>>> US.  He frequently traveled to offshore Kellwood facilities.  He told me
>>> the North Sails plant was next door to one of the Kellwood sites.
>>>
>>> Bottom line is he said the quality control systems in these offshore
>>> facilities is as stringent as onshore plants.
>>>
>>> My local sail maker made me a 155 

Re: Stus-List Got a New 135% Head Sail

[Stevan Plavsa via CnC-List]

"I will admit that sometimes it does feel a little bit like I'm just a
small fry and that I'm wasting their time.  A little part of me gets it
though, lookie loos and shoppers take time and don't make money.  So, in a
way the guy that has already opened his wallet has paid to be top priority.
"

And I think this is the problem and why offshore companies are taking the
business. You don't know who will open their wallet. The best approach is
to show your good face to everyone that comes in the door. It's reasonable
for a customer to shop around for sails. If they aren't prepared to
entertain "looky loos" who are just trying to get the best value for their
hard earned money, then the business goes elsewhere. It's simple customer
service.

There's a generational gap here too. I find the older, established
businesses with sales people that have "been around a long time" are the
worst to deal with on a customer service level. The best companies I've
dealt with are the younger companies, with younger sales reps, that 'get
it'. Lastly, I'm a pretty young guy myself, I've probably got several more
sale purchases in my lifetime, guess who won't be getting the next call?
That's right, the local guys that didn't give me the time of day the first
time around. The smart sellers see a customer for life. The lazy ones see a
young guy "with no money".

See my challenges getting pricing on a chartplotter at a local store here.
Fred sent me most of the info and pricing I needed in about a matter of
hours. I initiated my discourse with the local brick and mortar place over
two weeks ago!!! And I went in there for new life lines and a chartplotter
with accessories. Maybe not the biggest purchase they'll see this year but
likely MY biggest purchase this year.

As a customer I'm fed up BECAUSE I WANT THE LOCAL SUPPORT. But the local
support has to beef up the "support" part of the deal and act like they
care about my business.

Steve
Suhana, C 32
Toronto
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Re: Stus-List Got a New 135% Head Sail

[Robert Boyer via CnC-List]

My new Quantum sails were designed in the local Annapolis loft and made in Sri 
Lanka.  I found this out only because I asked after touring the Annapolis loft. 
 They only do repairs locally.

Bob Boyer

Sent from my iPhone, Bob Boyer

> On Feb 25, 2016, at 11:52 AM, Danny Haughey via CnC-List 
> <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi Josh,
>  
> So, your local loft had a complete sail delivered from somewhere?  They 
> didn't actually construct the sail?  I heard most of the biggies, Doyle, 
> North, Quantum, all actually assemble some of their sails off shore.
>  
> Just wondering if that is what yours was.
>  
> Danny
> 
> -- Original Message --
> From: Josh Muckley via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
> To: "C List" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
> Cc: Josh Muckley <muckl...@gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Got a New 135% Head Sail
> Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2016 11:37:39 -0500
> 
> Just for the record, my local loft won't make a quote until they measure the 
> boat.  They won't make the order until %50 payment is received.
> 
> Frustratingly, on my most recent purchase, they weren't allowed to take 
> delivery from the manufacturer until full payment was made.  I fully expected 
> to be able to keep %50 until delivery to me after a full inspection.  I 
> capitulated, made payment in full, and the sail was delivered.  Inspection 
> was satisfactory and now the loft is storing it free of charge.  It all 
> worked out.
> 
> I will admit that sometimes it does feel a little bit like I'm just a small 
> fry and that I'm wasting their time.  A little part of me gets it though, 
> lookie loos and shoppers take time and don't make money.  So, in a way the 
> guy that has already opened his wallet has paid to be top priority.
> 
> Josh Muckley
> S/V Sea Hawk
> 1989 C 37+
> Solomons, MD
> 
>> On Feb 25, 2016 9:59 AM, "Stevan Plavsa via CnC-List" 
>> <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>> I purchased a Rolly Tasker 155 a couple of years ago for Suhana. It's a good 
>> sail but like the OP, I have nothing to compare it against except the 
>> original genoa which was deteriorating. So, leagues better than what I had. 
>> It was $1600 shipped to my door from Thailand and arrived two weeks after I 
>> placed the order. The local lofts all wanted about double for same/similar 
>> features and a lot more time.
>>  
>> Here's the rub and here's where I disagree with people on this list and 
>> others that tout the "support" and "cusomter service" of the local guys. I 
>> was treated better by the foreign sail loft. They answered my emails in a 
>> timely way, they were polite and interested. The locals, almost all of them, 
>> had a standoffish, almost arrogant attitude and they were slow to provide 
>> pricing and email replies. to me, that's terrible customer service. First 
>> and foremost, I want to be treated like a valued customer and that starts 
>> with the first hello, it doesn't start after I open my checkbook and they 
>> come out to my boat. 
>>  
>> No thanks.
>>  
>> Steve
>> Suhana, C 32
>> Toronto
>>  
>> 
>>> On Thu, Feb 25, 2016 at 9:06 AM, Dennis C. via CnC-List 
>>> <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>>> My last North 155 Mylar/Kevlar was made in Sri Lanka as was much of the 
>>> clothes hanging in our closets.  One of my sailing buddies retired from 
>>> Kellwood.  Kellwood, VF, and a few others make most clothing sold in the 
>>> US.  He frequently traveled to offshore Kellwood facilities.  He told me 
>>> the North Sails plant was next door to one of the Kellwood sites.
>>> 
>>> Bottom line is he said the quality control systems in these offshore 
>>> facilities is as stringent as onshore plants.
>>> 
>>> My local sail maker made me a 155 years ago.  We were in position for 3rd 
>>> in class in a regatta when the tack on the sail let go.  Seems he forgot to 
>>> sew on the web reinforcement through the tack ring.  He was on a nearby 
>>> boat and watched as the sail ripped 1/3 of the way up the luff tape.
>>> 
>>> When we got back to the pier he came over and asked what happened.  I 
>>> reached in my pocket, pulled out the tack ring and handed it to him.  He 
>>> repaired it but it will always be a repaired sail.
>>> 
>>> So much for Made in USA quality.
>>> 
>>> Dennis C.
>>> Touche' 35-1 #83
>>> Mandeville, LA
>>> 
>>>> On Feb 24, 2016 3:32 PM, "Danny Haughey via CnC-List" 
>>>> <cn

Re: Stus-List Got a New 135% Head Sail

[Danny Haughey via CnC-List]

Hi Josh, So, your local loft had a complete sail delivered from somewhere?  
They didn't actually construct the sail?  I heard most of the biggies, Doyle, 
North, Quantum, all actually assemble some of their sails off shore. Just 
wondering if that is what yours was. Danny

-- Original Message --
From: Josh Muckley via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
To: "C List" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
Cc: Josh Muckley <muckl...@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Stus-List Got a New 135% Head Sail
Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2016 11:37:39 -0500


Just for the record, my local loft won't make a quote until they measure the 
boat.  They won't make the order until %50 payment is received.
Frustratingly, on my most recent purchase, they weren't allowed to take 
delivery from the manufacturer until full payment was made.  I fully expected 
to be able to keep %50 until delivery to me after a full inspection.  I 
capitulated, made payment in full, and the sail was delivered.  Inspection was 
satisfactory and now the loft is storing it free of charge.  It all worked out.
I will admit that sometimes it does feel a little bit like I'm just a small fry 
and that I'm wasting their time.  A little part of me gets it though, lookie 
loos and shoppers take time and don't make money.  So, in a way the guy that 
has already opened his wallet has paid to be top priority.
Josh Muckley
 S/V Sea Hawk
 1989 C 37+
 Solomons, MD
On Feb 25, 2016 9:59 AM, "Stevan Plavsa via CnC-List" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> 
wrote:
I purchased a Rolly Tasker 155 a couple of years ago for Suhana. It's a good 
sail but like the OP, I have nothing to compare it against except the original 
genoa which was deteriorating. So, leagues better than what I had. It was $1600 
shipped to my door from Thailand and arrived two weeks after I placed the 
order. The local lofts all wanted about double for same/similar features and a 
lot more time. Here's the rub and here's where I disagree with people on this 
list and others that tout the "support" and "cusomter service" of the local 
guys. I was treated better by the foreign sail loft. They answered my emails in 
a timely way, they were polite and interested. The locals, almost all of them, 
had a standoffish, almost arrogant attitude and they were slow to provide 
pricing and email replies. to me, that's terrible customer service. First and 
foremost, I want to be treated like a valued customer and that starts with the 
first hello, it doesn't start after I open my checkbook and they come out to my 
boat.  No thanks. SteveSuhana, C 32Toronto 
On Thu, Feb 25, 2016 at 9:06 AM, Dennis C. via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> 
wrote:
My last North 155 Mylar/Kevlar was made in Sri Lanka as was much of the clothes 
hanging in our closets.  One of my sailing buddies retired from Kellwood.  
Kellwood, VF, and a few others make most clothing sold in the US.  He 
frequently traveled to offshore Kellwood facilities.  He told me the North 
Sails plant was next door to one of the Kellwood sites.
Bottom line is he said the quality control systems in these offshore facilities 
is as stringent as onshore plants.
My local sail maker made me a 155 years ago.  We were in position for 3rd in 
class in a regatta when the tack on the sail let go.  Seems he forgot to sew on 
the web reinforcement through the tack ring.  He was on a nearby boat and 
watched as the sail ripped 1/3 of the way up the luff tape.
When we got back to the pier he came over and asked what happened.  I reached 
in my pocket, pulled out the tack ring and handed it to him.  He repaired it 
but it will always be a repaired sail.
So much for Made in USA quality.
Dennis C.
 Touche' 35-1 #83
 Mandeville, LA
On Feb 24, 2016 3:32 PM, "Danny Haughey via CnC-List" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> 
wrote:Hello all,I just received my new head sail from Precision sail loft last 
night!  I'll be unrolling it tonight to have a first look.  I took a chance to 
order online from this Canadian based company.  The sail was built in Sri Lanka 
from what I can tell.  I ordered the Challenge High Modulus Dacron. My question 
is, what should I be looking for as I inspect the new sail?  I plan on 
comparing the old Rolly Tasker head sail and the relatively new seeming Main.  
Other than that, I don't really know enough about sails to know if I got what I 
paid for.  I'll probably unroll it and snap a bunch of pics if anyone would be 
interested. Thanks for any insights and advice you may be able to offer. 
DannyT40Rum Runner IVMattapoisett, 
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Re: Stus-List Got a New 135% Head Sail

[Josh Muckley via CnC-List]

Just for the record, my local loft won't make a quote until they measure
the boat.  They won't make the order until %50 payment is received.

Frustratingly, on my most recent purchase, they weren't allowed to take
delivery from the manufacturer until full payment was made.  I fully
expected to be able to keep %50 until delivery to me after a full
inspection.  I capitulated, made payment in full, and the sail was
delivered.  Inspection was satisfactory and now the loft is storing it free
of charge.  It all worked out.

I will admit that sometimes it does feel a little bit like I'm just a small
fry and that I'm wasting their time.  A little part of me gets it though,
lookie loos and shoppers take time and don't make money.  So, in a way the
guy that has already opened his wallet has paid to be top priority.

Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C 37+
Solomons, MD
On Feb 25, 2016 9:59 AM, "Stevan Plavsa via CnC-List" 
wrote:

> I purchased a Rolly Tasker 155 a couple of years ago for Suhana. It's a
> good sail but like the OP, I have nothing to compare it against except the
> original genoa which was deteriorating. So, leagues better than what I had.
> It was $1600 shipped to my door from Thailand and arrived two weeks after I
> placed the order. The local lofts all wanted about double for same/similar
> features and a lot more time.
>
> Here's the rub and here's where I disagree with people on this list and
> others that tout the "support" and "cusomter service" of the local guys. I
> was treated better by the foreign sail loft. They answered my emails in a
> timely way, they were polite and *interested*. The locals, almost all of
> them, had a standoffish, almost arrogant attitude and they were slow to
> provide pricing and email replies. to me, that's terrible customer service.
> First and foremost, I want to be treated like a valued customer and that
> starts with the first hello, it doesn't start after I open my checkbook and
> they come out to my boat.
>
> No thanks.
>
> Steve
> Suhana, C 32
> Toronto
>
>
> On Thu, Feb 25, 2016 at 9:06 AM, Dennis C. via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>> My last North 155 Mylar/Kevlar was made in Sri Lanka as was much of the
>> clothes hanging in our closets.  One of my sailing buddies retired from
>> Kellwood.  Kellwood, VF, and a few others make most clothing sold in the
>> US.  He frequently traveled to offshore Kellwood facilities.  He told me
>> the North Sails plant was next door to one of the Kellwood sites.
>>
>> Bottom line is he said the quality control systems in these offshore
>> facilities is as stringent as onshore plants.
>>
>> My local sail maker made me a 155 years ago.  We were in position for 3rd
>> in class in a regatta when the tack on the sail let go.  Seems he forgot to
>> sew on the web reinforcement through the tack ring.  He was on a nearby
>> boat and watched as the sail ripped 1/3 of the way up the luff tape.
>>
>> When we got back to the pier he came over and asked what happened.  I
>> reached in my pocket, pulled out the tack ring and handed it to him.  He
>> repaired it but it will always be a repaired sail.
>>
>> So much for Made in USA quality.
>>
>> Dennis C.
>> Touche' 35-1 #83
>> Mandeville, LA
>> On Feb 24, 2016 3:32 PM, "Danny Haughey via CnC-List" <
>> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hello all,
>>>
>>> I just received my new head sail from Precision sail loft last night!
>>> I'll be unrolling it tonight to have a first look.  I took a chance to
>>> order online from this Canadian based company.  The sail was built in Sri
>>> Lanka from what I can tell.  I ordered the Challenge High Modulus Dacron.
>>>
>>> My question is, what should I be looking for as I inspect the new sail?
>>> I plan on comparing the old Rolly Tasker head sail and the relatively new
>>> seeming Main.  Other than that, I don't really know enough about sails to
>>> know if I got what I paid for.  I'll probably unroll it and snap a bunch of
>>> pics if anyone would be interested.
>>>
>>> Thanks for any insights and advice you may be able to offer.
>>>
>>> Danny
>>> T40
>>> Rum Runner IV
>>> Mattapoisett, MA
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Re: Stus-List Got a New 135% Head Sail

[Stevan Plavsa via CnC-List]

I purchased a Rolly Tasker 155 a couple of years ago for Suhana. It's a
good sail but like the OP, I have nothing to compare it against except the
original genoa which was deteriorating. So, leagues better than what I had.
It was $1600 shipped to my door from Thailand and arrived two weeks after I
placed the order. The local lofts all wanted about double for same/similar
features and a lot more time.

Here's the rub and here's where I disagree with people on this list and
others that tout the "support" and "cusomter service" of the local guys. I
was treated better by the foreign sail loft. They answered my emails in a
timely way, they were polite and *interested*. The locals, almost all of
them, had a standoffish, almost arrogant attitude and they were slow to
provide pricing and email replies. to me, that's terrible customer service.
First and foremost, I want to be treated like a valued customer and that
starts with the first hello, it doesn't start after I open my checkbook and
they come out to my boat.

No thanks.

Steve
Suhana, C 32
Toronto


On Thu, Feb 25, 2016 at 9:06 AM, Dennis C. via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> My last North 155 Mylar/Kevlar was made in Sri Lanka as was much of the
> clothes hanging in our closets.  One of my sailing buddies retired from
> Kellwood.  Kellwood, VF, and a few others make most clothing sold in the
> US.  He frequently traveled to offshore Kellwood facilities.  He told me
> the North Sails plant was next door to one of the Kellwood sites.
>
> Bottom line is he said the quality control systems in these offshore
> facilities is as stringent as onshore plants.
>
> My local sail maker made me a 155 years ago.  We were in position for 3rd
> in class in a regatta when the tack on the sail let go.  Seems he forgot to
> sew on the web reinforcement through the tack ring.  He was on a nearby
> boat and watched as the sail ripped 1/3 of the way up the luff tape.
>
> When we got back to the pier he came over and asked what happened.  I
> reached in my pocket, pulled out the tack ring and handed it to him.  He
> repaired it but it will always be a repaired sail.
>
> So much for Made in USA quality.
>
> Dennis C.
> Touche' 35-1 #83
> Mandeville, LA
> On Feb 24, 2016 3:32 PM, "Danny Haughey via CnC-List" <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>> Hello all,
>>
>> I just received my new head sail from Precision sail loft last night!
>> I'll be unrolling it tonight to have a first look.  I took a chance to
>> order online from this Canadian based company.  The sail was built in Sri
>> Lanka from what I can tell.  I ordered the Challenge High Modulus Dacron.
>>
>> My question is, what should I be looking for as I inspect the new sail?
>> I plan on comparing the old Rolly Tasker head sail and the relatively new
>> seeming Main.  Other than that, I don't really know enough about sails to
>> know if I got what I paid for.  I'll probably unroll it and snap a bunch of
>> pics if anyone would be interested.
>>
>> Thanks for any insights and advice you may be able to offer.
>>
>> Danny
>> T40
>> Rum Runner IV
>> Mattapoisett, MA
>>
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Re: Stus-List Got a New 135% Head Sail

[Dennis C. via CnC-List]

My last North 155 Mylar/Kevlar was made in Sri Lanka as was much of the
clothes hanging in our closets.  One of my sailing buddies retired from
Kellwood.  Kellwood, VF, and a few others make most clothing sold in the
US.  He frequently traveled to offshore Kellwood facilities.  He told me
the North Sails plant was next door to one of the Kellwood sites.

Bottom line is he said the quality control systems in these offshore
facilities is as stringent as onshore plants.

My local sail maker made me a 155 years ago.  We were in position for 3rd
in class in a regatta when the tack on the sail let go.  Seems he forgot to
sew on the web reinforcement through the tack ring.  He was on a nearby
boat and watched as the sail ripped 1/3 of the way up the luff tape.

When we got back to the pier he came over and asked what happened.  I
reached in my pocket, pulled out the tack ring and handed it to him.  He
repaired it but it will always be a repaired sail.

So much for Made in USA quality.

Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA
On Feb 24, 2016 3:32 PM, "Danny Haughey via CnC-List" 
wrote:

> Hello all,
>
> I just received my new head sail from Precision sail loft last night!
> I'll be unrolling it tonight to have a first look.  I took a chance to
> order online from this Canadian based company.  The sail was built in Sri
> Lanka from what I can tell.  I ordered the Challenge High Modulus Dacron.
>
> My question is, what should I be looking for as I inspect the new sail?  I
> plan on comparing the old Rolly Tasker head sail and the relatively new
> seeming Main.  Other than that, I don't really know enough about sails to
> know if I got what I paid for.  I'll probably unroll it and snap a bunch of
> pics if anyone would be interested.
>
> Thanks for any insights and advice you may be able to offer.
>
> Danny
> T40
> Rum Runner IV
> Mattapoisett, MA
>
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Re: Stus-List Got a New 135% Head Sail

[Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List]

For a start I would measure it.  Measure the luff and compare to your existing 
sail first.  If much longer you may have problems with hoist.

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Danny 
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Cc: Danny Haughey
Subject: Stus-List Got a New 135% Head Sail

Hello all,
I just received my new head sail from Precision sail loft last night!  I'll be 
unrolling it tonight to have a first look.  I took a chance to order online 
from this Canadian based company.  The sail was built in Sri Lanka from what I 
can tell.  I ordered the Challenge High Modulus Dacron.

My question is, what should I be looking for as I inspect the new sail?  I plan 
on comparing the old Rolly Tasker head sail and the relatively new seeming 
Main.  Other than that, I don't really know enough about sails to know if I got 
what I paid for.  I'll probably unroll it and snap a bunch of pics if anyone 
would be interested.

Thanks for any insights and advice you may be able to offer.

Danny
T40
Rum Runner IV
Mattapoisett, MA
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Re: Stus-List Got a New 135% Head Sail

[Josh Muckley via CnC-List]

Curtis,

That's kinda like saying, "I have $60k for a new car but I found these
other cars for $45k.  They all have 4 wheels, and a gasoline engine.  Why
would I pay more?

I bought the 5 part series on sail buying and care from practical sailor.
It was a good place to start getting me prepared to choose a sail maker.

Just out of curiosity I priced a main sail with Bacon (who I hear uses
China sail loft for manufacture).  They have an online quote system.  It
came back about $1500 less than Quantum.  I compared the 2 quotes and
couldn't really understand the price difference.  When I took the two
quotes to the opposite vendor they both said, "Well these are quotes for 2
completely different sails."

In the end Bacon adjusted their features to match Quantum and Quantum
adjusted to match Bacon.  Each provided a new quote.  Now I had 2 pairs of
quotes.  Each pair had features that nearly matched and were within 500
dollars or less of each other.

Factor in that Quantum was 5 minutes away, not 60.  And that they came to
the boat to measure and answer any questions.  And I could go to the loft
to compare features.  And that they would come out and "fit" the sail after
delivery.  It was quite obvious that Quantum was the winning choice for
me.  I would have gladly considered any other loft if they were local.

Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C 37+
Solomons, MD
On Feb 24, 2016 10:58 PM, "Captain, Curtis McDaniel via CnC-List" <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Well I was quoted from 3 sail maker's they all within $500. of each other?
> 5.6 dacron triple stitch. I have money to spend the $2,400. But why would
> I?  Maybe I'm missing something?
>
>
>
> Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S® 6, an AT 4G LTE smartphone
>  Original message 
> From: Paul Baker via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
> Date: 2/24/2016 8:22 PM (GMT-05:00)
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Cc: Paul Baker <pjbake...@hotmail.com>
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Got a New 135% Head Sail
>
> Curtis, I think you perhaps have an unrealistic expectation of the cost of
> a sail, even from a cheap far east/offshore manufacturer.  The sails are
> almost all using US made cloth, and with the USD being fairly strong,
> that's a big chunk of extra cost there. Maybe a decent used sail might be
> an option for you?
> Cheers,
> Paul.
>
> ------------------
> Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2016 18:24:55 -0500
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Got a New 135% Head Sail
> From: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> CC: cpt.b...@gmail.com
>
> Wow. I was quoted $1,800. I that that was too much.
>
>
>
> Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S® 6, an AT 4G LTE smartphone
>  Original message 
> From: Danny Haughey via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
> Date: 2/24/2016 4:44 PM (GMT-05:00)
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Cc: Danny Haughey <djhaug...@juno.com>
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Got a New 135% Head Sail
>
> Hi Andy,
>
> Thank Joel!!
>
> Correction I got the
> Challenge Marblehead / Fibre 104 Dacron
> the sail, delivered was $3555 and they broke it into 3 payments for me.
> From the completion of design to the delivery was 2 weeks!
>
> I'm going to unroll it along side the rolly tasker tonight and take some
> photos.
>
> Danny
>
>
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> To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
> Cc: Andrew Burton <a.burton.sai...@gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Got a New 135% Head Sail
> Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2016 16:34:56 -0500
>
>
> How much was it, Danny?
>
> Andy
> C 40
> Peregrine
>
> On Wed, Feb 24, 2016 at 4:30 PM, Danny Haughey via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> Hello all,
>
> I just received my new head sail from Precision sail loft last night!
> I'll be unrolling it tonight to have a first look.  I took a chance to
> order online from this Canadian based company.  The sail was built in Sri
> Lanka from what I can tell.  I ordered the Challenge High Modulus Dacron.
>
> My question is, what should I be looking for as I inspect the new sail?  I
> plan on comparing the old Rolly Tasker head sail and the relatively new
> seeming Main.  Other than that, I don't really know enough about sails to
> know if I got what I paid for.  I'll probably unroll it and snap a bunch of
> pics if anyone would be interested.
>
> Thanks for any insights and advice you may be able to offer.
>
> Danny
> T40
> Rum Runner IV
> Mattapoisett, MA
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Re: Stus-List Got a New 135% Head Sail

[Captain, Curtis McDaniel via CnC-List]

Well I was quoted from 3 sail maker's they all within $500. of each other? 5.6 
dacron triple stitch. I have money to spend the $2,400. But why would I?  Maybe 
I'm missing something?


Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S® 6, an AT 4G LTE smartphone Original 
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2/24/2016  8:22 PM  (GMT-05:00) To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Paul Baker 
<pjbake...@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: Stus-List Got a New 135% Head Sail 
Curtis, I think you perhaps have an unrealistic expectation of the cost of a 
sail, even from a cheap far east/offshore manufacturer.  The sails are almost 
all using US made cloth, and with the USD being fairly strong, that's a big 
chunk of extra cost there. Maybe a decent used sail might be an option for you?
Cheers,
Paul. 

Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2016 18:24:55 -0500
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Got a New 135% Head Sail
From: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
CC: cpt.b...@gmail.com

Wow. I was quoted $1,800. I that that was too much. 


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2/24/2016  4:44 PM  (GMT-05:00) To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Danny Haughey 
<djhaug...@juno.com> Subject: Re: Stus-List Got a New 135% Head Sail 
Hi Andy,
 
Thank Joel!!
 
Correction I got the 
Challenge Marblehead / Fibre 104 Dacron
the sail, delivered was $3555 and they broke it into 3 payments for me.  From 
the completion of design to the delivery was 2 weeks!
 
I'm going to unroll it along side the rolly tasker tonight and take some photos.
 
Danny


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Subject: Re: Stus-List Got a New 135% Head Sail
Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2016 16:34:56 -0500






How much was it, Danny?


Andy
C 40
Peregrine


On Wed, Feb 24, 2016 at 4:30 PM, Danny Haughey via CnC-List 
<cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:


Hello all,


I just received my new head sail from Precision sail loft last night!  I'll be 
unrolling it tonight to have a first look.  I took a chance to order online 
from this Canadian based company.  The sail was built in Sri Lanka from what I 
can tell.  I ordered the Challenge High Modulus Dacron.
 
My question is, what should I be looking for as I inspect the new sail?  I plan 
on comparing the old Rolly Tasker head sail and the relatively new seeming 
Main.  Other than that, I don't really know enough about sails to know if I got 
what I paid for.  I'll probably unroll it and snap a bunch of pics if anyone 
would be interested.
 
Thanks for any insights and advice you may be able to offer.
 
Danny
T40
Rum Runner IV
Mattapoisett, MA

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Re: Stus-List Got a New 135% Head Sail

[Danny Haughey via CnC-List]

I think that rolly and precision offer several price points.  I didn't want to 
go low budget either.  I bet rolly builds a great sail if you pay them to!On 
Feb 24, 2016 9:46 PM, Joel Aronson via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> Danny,
>
> I have a Rolly offshore series.  It sounds more like your new jib than your 
> old one.  I don't believe in buying the cheapest sails.
>
> Joel
>
> On Wednesday, February 24, 2016, Danny Haughey via CnC-List 
> <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>>
>> OK I just did look see, I compared to both the old rolly tasker and the Neil 
>> Pryde main sail. 
>>
>> The Rolly Tasker was the poorest quality.  There was no reinforcing on the 
>> corners except some belting straps.
>>  
>> Both the Neil pride and the Precision sail had built up corner patching as 
>> well as the belting straps.
>>
>> the Neil Pryde was certainly a better sail than the Rolly, but still nowhere 
>> near the quality of the workmanship on the Precision Sail. 
>>
>> I don't know how many times I said Wow or holy crap this is really amazing, 
>> or I can't believe the quality, it's really a great sail. So, part of the 
>> problem with me is I don't really know a lot about Sails or Sail 
>> construction. My experience with sails and sail making is minimal and even I 
>> could see the quality that went into the construction of this sale.  I wish 
>> I had inspected the Quantum sails I bought for Lolita mre closely.  But 
>> again, I didn't know what to look for anyway.  They were good sails though 
>> but, I don't think I got the same quality of cloth as this precision.  
>>  
>> The Precision sail has quadruple stitching on all the panels, double 
>> stitching on the sun cover, substantially more material at the corner 
>> patches and they used sunbrealla for the sun cover and the  
>> UV Protected Waxed Tenara Thread.  I added a bunch of extra like an Offshore 
>> Package, the sunbrella, ans some other stuff I don't recall right now.  the 
>> sail cloth, again is Challenge 8oz Marblehead Cloth.
>>  
>> Precision offered me 3 quotes.  A 300 series at $2221, a 400 series at 
>> $2802, and a 500 series at $3640.  They then offered me a 20% discount if I 
>> ordered with a short period of time.  I took longer than they wanted but 
>> they still honored the 20% discount.  The 400 series would have been about 
>> $650 less.  the 300 series wasn't even a consideration because they weren't 
>> offering the 20% off.  That made it almost as much the 400 series.  i guess 
>> they really wanted to sell the better cloth
>>
>> so far I am really impressed. The truth will be when we fly it.
>>
>> I did take some pictures side by side of both the Rolly Tasker and the Neil 
>> Pryde sail so, I'd be happy to share those with any of you no problem.
>>  
>> I searched and search for sail for lolita and got loads of prices.  In the 
>> end out of a comfort level and a 15% boat show discount, I chose the local 
>> Quantum loft.  this time I wanted to go for the better cloth at a similar 
>> price.  i basically did a sq ft comparison and paid a very similar sq ft 
>> price.
>>  
>> If I can offer any more info I'd be happy to.  My all in, delivered price 
>> was $3555.  I figure I'll have this for at the very least 10 years so, $355 
>> a year isn't too bad.  My Quantum sails were still like new after 4 years.
>>  
>> Danny
>> T40
>> Rum Runner
>> Mattapoisett, MA
>>
>>
>> -- Original Message --
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>> To: <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
>> Cc: Paul Baker <pjbake...@hotmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: Stus-List Got a New 135% Head Sail
>> Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2016 17:22:37 -0800
>>
>> Curtis, I think you perhaps have an unrealistic expectation of the cost of a 
>> sail, even from a cheap far east/offshore manufacturer.  The sails are 
>> almost all using US made cloth, and with the USD being fairly strong, that's 
>> a big chunk of extra cost there. Maybe a decent used sail might be an option 
>> for you?
>> Cheers,
>> Paul. 
>>
>> 
>> Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2016 18:24:55 -0500
>> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
>> Subject: Re: Stus-List Got a New 135% Head Sail
>> From: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
>> CC: cpt.b...@gmail.com
>>
>> Wow. I was quoted $1,800. I that that was too much. 
>>  
>>  
>>  
>> Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S� 6, an AT 4G LTE smartphone
>>  Original mes

Re: Stus-List Got a New 135% Head Sail

[Joel Aronson via CnC-List]

Danny,

I have a Rolly offshore series.  It sounds more like your new jib than your
old one.  I don't believe in buying the cheapest sails.

Joel

On Wednesday, February 24, 2016, Danny Haughey via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> OK I just did look see, I compared to both the old rolly tasker and the
> Neil Pryde main sail.
>
> The Rolly Tasker was the poorest quality.  There was no reinforcing on the
> corners except some belting straps.
>
> Both the Neil pride and the Precision sail had built up corner patching as
> well as the belting straps.
>
> the Neil Pryde was certainly a better sail than the Rolly, but still
> nowhere near the quality of the workmanship on the Precision Sail.
>
> I don't know how many times I said Wow or holy crap this is really
> amazing, or I can't believe the quality, it's really a great sail. So, part
> of the problem with me is I don't really know a lot about Sails or Sail
> construction. My experience with sails and sail making is minimal and even
> I could see the quality that went into the construction of this sale.  I
> wish I had inspected the Quantum sails I bought for Lolita mre closely.
> But again, I didn't know what to look for anyway.  They were good sails
> though but, I don't think I got the same quality of cloth as this
> precision.
>
> The Precision sail has quadruple stitching on all the panels, double
> stitching on the sun cover, substantially more material at the corner
> patches and they used sunbrealla for the sun cover and the
> UV Protected Waxed Tenara Thread.  I added a bunch of extra like an
> Offshore Package, the sunbrella, ans some other stuff I don't recall right
> now.  the sail cloth, again is Challenge 8oz Marblehead Cloth.
>
> Precision offered me 3 quotes.  A 300 series at $2221, a 400 series at
> $2802, and a 500 series at $3640.  They then offered me a 20% discount if I
> ordered with a short period of time.  I took longer than they wanted but
> they still honored the 20% discount.  The 400 series would have been about
> $650 less.  the 300 series wasn't even a consideration because they weren't
> offering the 20% off.  That made it almost as much the 400 series.  i guess
> they really wanted to sell the better cloth
>
> so far I am really impressed. The truth will be when we fly it.
>
> I did take some pictures side by side of both the Rolly Tasker and the
> Neil Pryde sail so, I'd be happy to share those with any of you no problem.
>
> I searched and search for sail for lolita and got loads of prices.  In the
> end out of a comfort level and a 15% boat show discount, I chose the local
> Quantum loft.  this time I wanted to go for the better cloth at a similar
> price.  i basically did a sq ft comparison and paid a very similar sq ft
> price.
>
> If I can offer any more info I'd be happy to.  My all in, delivered price
> was $3555.  I figure I'll have this for at the very least 10 years so, $355
> a year isn't too bad.  My Quantum sails were still like new after 4 years.
>
> Danny
> T40
> Rum Runner
> Mattapoisett, MA
>
>
> -- Original Message --
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> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','cnc-list@cnc-list.com');>>
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> Cc: Paul Baker <pjbake...@hotmail.com
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','pjbake...@hotmail.com');>>
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Got a New 135% Head Sail
> Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2016 17:22:37 -0800
>
> Curtis, I think you perhaps have an unrealistic expectation of the cost of
> a sail, even from a cheap far east/offshore manufacturer.  The sails are
> almost all using US made cloth, and with the USD being fairly strong,
> that's a big chunk of extra cost there. Maybe a decent used sail might be
> an option for you?
> Cheers,
> Paul.
>
> --
> Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2016 18:24:55 -0500
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','cnc-list@cnc-list.com');>
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Got a New 135% Head Sail
> From: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','cnc-list@cnc-list.com');>
> CC: cpt.b...@gmail.com
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','cpt.b...@gmail.com');>
>
> Wow. I was quoted $1,800. I that that was too much.
>
>
>
> Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S� 6, an AT 4G LTE smartphone
>  Original message 
> From: Danny Haughey via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','cnc-list@cnc-list.com');>>
> Date: 2/24/2016 4:44 PM (GMT-05:00)
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
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> Cc: Danny H

Re: Stus-List Got a New 135% Head Sail

[Danny Haughey via CnC-List]

OK I just did look see, I compared to both the old rolly tasker and the Neil 
Pryde main sail. 

The Rolly Tasker was the poorest quality.  There was no reinforcing on the 
corners except some belting straps. Both the Neil pride and the Precision sail 
had built up corner patching as well as the belting straps.
the Neil Pryde was certainly a better sail than the Rolly, but still nowhere 
near the quality of the workmanship on the Precision Sail. 

I don't know how many times I said Wow or holy crap this is really amazing, or 
I can't believe the quality, it's really a great sail. So, part of the problem 
with me is I don't really know a lot about Sails or Sail construction. My 
experience with sails and sail making is minimal and even I could see the 
quality that went into the construction of this sale.  I wish I had inspected 
the Quantum sails I bought for Lolita mre closely.  But again, I didn't know 
what to look for anyway.  They were good sails though but, I don't think I got 
the same quality of cloth as this precision.   The Precision sail has quadruple 
stitching on all the panels, double stitching on the sun cover, substantially 
more material at the corner patches and they used sunbrealla for the sun cover 
and the  UV Protected Waxed Tenara Thread.  I added a bunch of extra like an 
Offshore Package, the sunbrella, ans some other stuff I don't recall right now. 
 the sail cloth, again is Challenge 8oz Marblehead Cloth. Precision offered me 
3 quotes.  A 300 series at $2221, a 400 series at $2802, and a 500 series at 
$3640.  They then offered me a 20% discount if I ordered with a short period of 
time.  I took longer than they wanted but they still honored the 20% discount.  
The 400 series would have been about $650 less.  the 300 series wasn't even a 
consideration because they weren't offering the 20% off.  That made it almost 
as much the 400 series.  i guess they really wanted to sell the better cloth
so far I am really impressed. The truth will be when we fly it.

I did take some pictures side by side of both the Rolly Tasker and the Neil 
Pryde sail so, I'd be happy to share those with any of you no problem. I 
searched and search for sail for lolita and got loads of prices.  In the end 
out of a comfort level and a 15% boat show discount, I chose the local Quantum 
loft.  this time I wanted to go for the better cloth at a similar price.  i 
basically did a sq ft comparison and paid a very similar sq ft price. If I can 
offer any more info I'd be happy to.  My all in, delivered price was $3555.  I 
figure I'll have this for at the very least 10 years so, $355 a year isn't too 
bad.  My Quantum sails were still like new after 4 years. DannyT40Rum 
RunnerMattapoisett, MA


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To: <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
Cc: Paul Baker <pjbake...@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Stus-List Got a New 135% Head Sail
Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2016 17:22:37 -0800


Curtis, I think you perhaps have an unrealistic expectation of the cost of a 
sail, even from a cheap far east/offshore manufacturer.  The sails are almost 
all using US made cloth, and with the USD being fairly strong, that's a big 
chunk of extra cost there. Maybe a decent used sail might be an option for you?
Cheers,
Paul. 

Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2016 18:24:55 -0500
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Got a New 135% Head Sail
From: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
CC: cpt.b...@gmail.com

Wow. I was quoted $1,800. I that that was too much.Sent via the Samsung 
Galaxy S 6, an AT 4G LTE smartphone Original message 
From: Danny Haughey via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>Date: 2/24/2016 
4:44 PM (GMT-05:00)To: cnc-list@cnc-list.comCc: Danny Haughey 
<djhaug...@juno.com>Subject: Re: Stus-List Got a New 135% Head Sail Hi Andy, 
Thank Joel!! Correction I got the Challenge Marblehead / Fibre 104 Dacronthe 
sail, delivered was $3555 and they broke it into 3 payments for me.  From the 
completion of design to the delivery was 2 weeks! I'm going to unroll it along 
side the rolly tasker tonight and take some photos. Danny

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Subject: Re: Stus-List Got a New 135% Head Sail
Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2016 16:34:56 -0500


How much was it, Danny?

AndyC 40Peregrine
On Wed, Feb 24, 2016 at 4:30 PM, Danny Haughey via CnC-List 
<cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
Hello all,I just received my new head sail from Precision sail loft last night! 
 I'll be unrolling it tonight to have a first look.  I took a chance to order 
online from this Canadian based company.  The sail was built in Sri Lanka from 
what I can tell.  I ordered the Challenge High Modulus Dacron. My question is, 
what should I be looking for as I inspect th

Re: Stus-List Got a New 135% Head Sail

[Paul Baker via CnC-List]

Curtis, I think you perhaps have an unrealistic expectation of the cost of a 
sail, even from a cheap far east/offshore manufacturer.  The sails are almost 
all using US made cloth, and with the USD being fairly strong, that's a big 
chunk of extra cost there. Maybe a decent used sail might be an option for you?
Cheers,
Paul. 

Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2016 18:24:55 -0500
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Got a New 135% Head Sail
From: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
CC: cpt.b...@gmail.com

Wow. I was quoted $1,800. I that that was too much. 


Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S® 6, an AT 4G LTE smartphone Original 
message From: Danny Haughey via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> Date: 
2/24/2016  4:44 PM  (GMT-05:00) To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Danny Haughey 
<djhaug...@juno.com> Subject: Re: Stus-List Got a New 135% Head Sail 
Hi Andy,
 
Thank Joel!!
 
Correction I got the 
Challenge Marblehead / Fibre 104 Dacron
the sail, delivered was $3555 and they broke it into 3 payments for me.  >From 
the completion of design to the delivery was 2 weeks!
 
I'm going to unroll it along side the rolly tasker tonight and take some photos.
 
Danny


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Subject: Re: Stus-List Got a New 135% Head Sail
Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2016 16:34:56 -0500






How much was it, Danny?


Andy
C 40
Peregrine


On Wed, Feb 24, 2016 at 4:30 PM, Danny Haughey via CnC-List 
<cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:


Hello all,
I just received my new head sail from Precision sail loft last night!  I'll be 
unrolling it tonight to have a first look.  I took a chance to order online 
from this Canadian based company.  The sail was built in Sri Lanka from what I 
can tell.  I ordered the Challenge High Modulus Dacron.
 
My question is, what should I be looking for as I inspect the new sail?  I plan 
on comparing the old Rolly Tasker head sail and the relatively new seeming 
Main.  Other than that, I don't really know enough about sails to know if I got 
what I paid for.  I'll probably unroll it and snap a bunch of pics if anyone 
would be interested.
 
Thanks for any insights and advice you may be able to offer.
 
Danny
T40Rum Runner IVMattapoisett, MA

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Re: Stus-List Got a New 135% Head Sail

[Joel Aronson via CnC-List]

Marblehead is a high end cloth.

On Wednesday, February 24, 2016, Robert Boyer via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> As I’m sure you realize, the 135% genoa will cost more for a larger boat
> than a smaller one.  I don’t see much use in this cost cpmparison unless
> you have the same size boat…
>
> Bob
>
>
>
> On Feb 24, 2016, at 6:23 PM, Captain, Curtis McDaniel via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','cnc-list@cnc-list.com');>> wrote:
>
> I'm in the process of buying a new head sail 135%as well. How much if you
> don't mind.
>
>
>
> Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S® 6, an AT 4G LTE smartphone
>  Original message 
> From: Danny Haughey via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','cnc-list@cnc-list.com');>>
> Date: 2/24/2016 4:30 PM (GMT-05:00)
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
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> Cc: Danny Haughey <djhaug...@juno.com
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','djhaug...@juno.com');>>
> Subject: Stus-List Got a New 135% Head Sail
>
> Hello all,
>
> I just received my new head sail from Precision sail loft last night!
> I'll be unrolling it tonight to have a first look.  I took a chance to
> order online from this Canadian based company.  The sail was built in Sri
> Lanka from what I can tell.  I ordered the Challenge High Modulus Dacron.
>
> My question is, what should I be looking for as I inspect the new sail?  I
> plan on comparing the old Rolly Tasker head sail and the relatively new
> seeming Main.  Other than that, I don't really know enough about sails to
> know if I got what I paid for.  I'll probably unroll it and snap a bunch of
> pics if anyone would be interested.
>
> Thanks for any insights and advice you may be able to offer.
>
> Danny
> T40
> Rum Runner IV
> Mattapoisett, MA
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Re: Stus-List Got a New 135% Head Sail

[Robert Boyer via CnC-List]

As I’m sure you realize, the 135% genoa will cost more for a larger boat than a 
smaller one.  I don’t see much use in this cost cpmparison unless you have the 
same size boat…

Bob



> On Feb 24, 2016, at 6:23 PM, Captain, Curtis McDaniel via CnC-List 
> <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
> 
> I'm in the process of buying a new head sail 135%as well. How much if you 
> don't mind.
> 
> 
> 
> Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S® 6, an AT 4G LTE smartphone
>  Original message 
> From: Danny Haughey via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
> Date: 2/24/2016 4:30 PM (GMT-05:00)
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Cc: Danny Haughey <djhaug...@juno.com>
> Subject: Stus-List Got a New 135% Head Sail
> 
> Hello all,
> 
> I just received my new head sail from Precision sail loft last night!  I'll 
> be unrolling it tonight to have a first look.  I took a chance to order 
> online from this Canadian based company.  The sail was built in Sri Lanka 
> from what I can tell.  I ordered the Challenge High Modulus Dacron.
>  
> My question is, what should I be looking for as I inspect the new sail?  I 
> plan on comparing the old Rolly Tasker head sail and the relatively new 
> seeming Main.  Other than that, I don't really know enough about sails to 
> know if I got what I paid for.  I'll probably unroll it and snap a bunch of 
> pics if anyone would be interested.
>  
> Thanks for any insights and advice you may be able to offer.
>  
> Danny
> T40
> Rum Runner IV
> Mattapoisett, MA
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Re: Stus-List Got a New 135% Head Sail

[Captain, Curtis McDaniel via CnC-List]

Wow. I was quoted $1,800. I that that was too much. 


Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S® 6, an AT 4G LTE smartphone Original 
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2/24/2016  4:44 PM  (GMT-05:00) To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Danny Haughey 
<djhaug...@juno.com> Subject: Re: Stus-List Got a New 135% Head Sail 
Hi Andy,
 
Thank Joel!!
 
Correction I got the 
Challenge Marblehead / Fibre 104 Dacron
the sail, delivered was $3555 and they broke it into 3 payments for me.  From 
the completion of design to the delivery was 2 weeks!
 
I'm going to unroll it along side the rolly tasker tonight and take some photos.
 
Danny


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Subject: Re: Stus-List Got a New 135% Head Sail
Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2016 16:34:56 -0500





How much was it, Danny?


Andy
C 40
Peregrine


On Wed, Feb 24, 2016 at 4:30 PM, Danny Haughey via CnC-List 
<cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:


Hello all,


I just received my new head sail from Precision sail loft last night!  I'll be 
unrolling it tonight to have a first look.  I took a chance to order online 
from this Canadian based company.  The sail was built in Sri Lanka from what I 
can tell.  I ordered the Challenge High Modulus Dacron.
 
My question is, what should I be looking for as I inspect the new sail?  I plan 
on comparing the old Rolly Tasker head sail and the relatively new seeming 
Main.  Other than that, I don't really know enough about sails to know if I got 
what I paid for.  I'll probably unroll it and snap a bunch of pics if anyone 
would be interested.
 
Thanks for any insights and advice you may be able to offer.
 
Danny
T40
Rum Runner IV
Mattapoisett, MA

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Re: Stus-List Got a New 135% Head Sail

[Captain, Curtis McDaniel via CnC-List]

I'm in the process of buying a new head sail 135%as well. How much if you don't 
mind.


Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S® 6, an AT 4G LTE smartphone Original 
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2/24/2016  4:30 PM  (GMT-05:00) To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Danny Haughey 
<djhaug...@juno.com> Subject: Stus-List  Got a New 135% Head Sail 
Hello all,


I just received my new head sail from Precision sail loft last night!  I'll be 
unrolling it tonight to have a first look.  I took a chance to order online 
from this Canadian based company.  The sail was built in Sri Lanka from what I 
can tell.  I ordered the Challenge High Modulus Dacron.
 
My question is, what should I be looking for as I inspect the new sail?  I plan 
on comparing the old Rolly Tasker head sail and the relatively new seeming 
Main.  Other than that, I don't really know enough about sails to know if I got 
what I paid for.  I'll probably unroll it and snap a bunch of pics if anyone 
would be interested.
 
Thanks for any insights and advice you may be able to offer.
 
Danny
T40
Rum Runner IV
Mattapoisett, MA
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Re: Stus-List Got a New 135% Head Sail

[Joel Aronson via CnC-List]

Nice!

On Wednesday, February 24, 2016, Danny Haughey via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Hi Andy,
>
> Thank Joel!!
>
> Correction I got the
> Challenge Marblehead / Fibre 104 Dacron
> the sail, delivered was $3555 and they broke it into 3 payments for me.
> From the completion of design to the delivery was 2 weeks!
>
> I'm going to unroll it along side the rolly tasker tonight and take some
> photos.
>
> Danny
>
>
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> Subject: Re: Stus-List Got a New 135% Head Sail
> Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2016 16:34:56 -0500
>
> How much was it, Danny?
>
> Andy
> C 40
> Peregrine
>
> On Wed, Feb 24, 2016 at 4:30 PM, Danny Haughey via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','cnc-list@cnc-list.com');>> wrote:
>
>> Hello all,
>>
>> I just received my new head sail from Precision sail loft last night!
>> I'll be unrolling it tonight to have a first look.  I took a chance to
>> order online from this Canadian based company.  The sail was built in Sri
>> Lanka from what I can tell.  I ordered the Challenge High Modulus Dacron.
>>
>> My question is, what should I be looking for as I inspect the new sail?
>> I plan on comparing the old Rolly Tasker head sail and the relatively new
>> seeming Main.  Other than that, I don't really know enough about sails to
>> know if I got what I paid for.  I'll probably unroll it and snap a bunch of
>> pics if anyone would be interested.
>>
>> Thanks for any insights and advice you may be able to offer.
>>
>> Danny
>> T40
>> Rum Runner IV
>> Mattapoisett, MA
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Re: Stus-List Got a New 135% Head Sail

[Josh Muckley via CnC-List]

I would ask them what to look for.  Every sail maker is going to have a
different set of standard features.

I would look for properly finished sticking.

Double stitching through out and triple in high stress areas.

Sail cover on the correct side.

Personally, I'd like to see the exposed edges of all the fabric either
hemmed or zigzag stitched.

Obviously, check for all of the agreed upon features.  Emblems, numbers,
spreader patches.

Rounded corners on the added layers at stress points.

I got mine from Quantum in Solomons, MD and paid about $700 more.  Can't
say it was necessarily money better spent.

Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C 37+
Solomons, MD

On Wed, Feb 24, 2016, 5:10 PM George Cone via CnC-List <
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> I picked up a new headsail – 135% furling for my C last year. The
> quality, design was very high, all the features were included, for a little
> less than what you spent, I compare it to the Rolly mail from the fear
> before and it is just as good.  It was the challenge Marblehead fabric
>
>
>
> George Cone
>
> C 40
>
>
>
> *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *Danny
> Haughey via CnC-List
> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 24, 2016 4:45 PM
> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> *Cc:* Danny Haughey
>
>
> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Got a New 135% Head Sail
>
>
>
> Hi Andy,
>
>
>
> Thank Joel!!
>
>
>
> Correction I got the
> Challenge Marblehead / Fibre 104 Dacron
>
> the sail, delivered was $3555 and they broke it into 3 payments for me.
> From the completion of design to the delivery was 2 weeks!
>
>
>
> I'm going to unroll it along side the rolly tasker tonight and take some
> photos.
>
>
>
> Danny
>
>
>
> -- Original Message --
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> To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
> Cc: Andrew Burton <a.burton.sai...@gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Got a New 135% Head Sail
> Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2016 16:34:56 -0500
>
> How much was it, Danny?
>
> Andy
>
> C 40
>
> Peregrine
>
>
>
> On Wed, Feb 24, 2016 at 4:30 PM, Danny Haughey via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> Hello all,
>
> I just received my new head sail from Precision sail loft last night!
> I'll be unrolling it tonight to have a first look.  I took a chance to
> order online from this Canadian based company.  The sail was built in Sri
> Lanka from what I can tell.  I ordered the Challenge High Modulus Dacron.
>
>
>
> My question is, what should I be looking for as I inspect the new sail?  I
> plan on comparing the old Rolly Tasker head sail and the relatively new
> seeming Main.  Other than that, I don't really know enough about sails to
> know if I got what I paid for.  I'll probably unroll it and snap a bunch of
> pics if anyone would be interested.
>
>
>
> Thanks for any insights and advice you may be able to offer.
>
>
>
> Danny
>
> T40
> Rum Runner IV
> Mattapoisett, MA
>
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Re: Stus-List Got a New 135% Head Sail

[George Cone via CnC-List]

I picked up a new headsail - 135% furling for my C last year. The
quality, design was very high, all the features were included, for a little
less than what you spent, I compare it to the Rolly mail from the fear
before and it is just as good.  It was the challenge Marblehead fabric

 

George Cone

C 40

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Danny
Haughey via CnC-List
Sent: Wednesday, February 24, 2016 4:45 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Danny Haughey
Subject: Re: Stus-List Got a New 135% Head Sail

 

Hi Andy,

 

Thank Joel!!

 

Correction I got the 


Challenge Marblehead / Fibre 104 Dacron


the sail, delivered was $3555 and they broke it into 3 payments for me.
>From the completion of design to the delivery was 2 weeks!

 

I'm going to unroll it along side the rolly tasker tonight and take some
photos.

 

Danny



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To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
Cc: Andrew Burton <a.burton.sai...@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Stus-List Got a New 135% Head Sail
Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2016 16:34:56 -0500

How much was it, Danny?

Andy

C 40

Peregrine

 

On Wed, Feb 24, 2016 at 4:30 PM, Danny Haughey via CnC-List
<cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

Hello all,

I just received my new head sail from Precision sail loft last night!  I'll
be unrolling it tonight to have a first look.  I took a chance to order
online from this Canadian based company.  The sail was built in Sri Lanka
from what I can tell.  I ordered the Challenge High Modulus Dacron.

 

My question is, what should I be looking for as I inspect the new sail?  I
plan on comparing the old Rolly Tasker head sail and the relatively new
seeming Main.  Other than that, I don't really know enough about sails to
know if I got what I paid for.  I'll probably unroll it and snap a bunch of
pics if anyone would be interested.

 

Thanks for any insights and advice you may be able to offer.

 

Danny

T40
Rum Runner IV
Mattapoisett, MA


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Re: Stus-List Got a New 135% Head Sail

[Danny Haughey via CnC-List]

Hi Andy, Thank Joel!! Correction I got the Challenge Marblehead / Fibre 104 
Dacronthe sail, delivered was $3555 and they broke it into 3 payments for me.  
From the completion of design to the delivery was 2 weeks! I'm going to unroll 
it along side the rolly tasker tonight and take some photos. Danny

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Cc: Andrew Burton <a.burton.sai...@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Stus-List Got a New 135% Head Sail
Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2016 16:34:56 -0500


How much was it, Danny?

AndyC 40Peregrine
On Wed, Feb 24, 2016 at 4:30 PM, Danny Haughey via CnC-List 
<cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
Hello all,I just received my new head sail from Precision sail loft last night! 
 I'll be unrolling it tonight to have a first look.  I took a chance to order 
online from this Canadian based company.  The sail was built in Sri Lanka from 
what I can tell.  I ordered the Challenge High Modulus Dacron. My question is, 
what should I be looking for as I inspect the new sail?  I plan on comparing 
the old Rolly Tasker head sail and the relatively new seeming Main.  Other than 
that, I don't really know enough about sails to know if I got what I paid for.  
I'll probably unroll it and snap a bunch of pics if anyone would be interested. 
Thanks for any insights and advice you may be able to offer. DannyT40Rum Runner 
IVMattapoisett, MA
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Re: Stus-List Got a New 135% Head Sail

[Joel Aronson via CnC-List]

Danny,

Congrats!  I got a spinnaker launch bag from them.  Nicely made.
I can't tell much until I hoist, but others probably know more.

Joel

On Wed, Feb 24, 2016 at 4:34 PM, Andrew Burton via CnC-List <
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> How much was it, Danny?
>
> Andy
> C 40
> Peregrine
>
> On Wed, Feb 24, 2016 at 4:30 PM, Danny Haughey via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>> Hello all,
>>
>> I just received my new head sail from Precision sail loft last night!
>> I'll be unrolling it tonight to have a first look.  I took a chance to
>> order online from this Canadian based company.  The sail was built in Sri
>> Lanka from what I can tell.  I ordered the Challenge High Modulus Dacron.
>>
>> My question is, what should I be looking for as I inspect the new sail?
>> I plan on comparing the old Rolly Tasker head sail and the relatively new
>> seeming Main.  Other than that, I don't really know enough about sails to
>> know if I got what I paid for.  I'll probably unroll it and snap a bunch of
>> pics if anyone would be interested.
>>
>> Thanks for any insights and advice you may be able to offer.
>>
>> Danny
>> T40
>> Rum Runner IV
>> Mattapoisett, MA
>>
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Re: Stus-List Got a New 135% Head Sail

[Andrew Burton via CnC-List]

How much was it, Danny?

Andy
C 40
Peregrine

On Wed, Feb 24, 2016 at 4:30 PM, Danny Haughey via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Hello all,
>
> I just received my new head sail from Precision sail loft last night!
> I'll be unrolling it tonight to have a first look.  I took a chance to
> order online from this Canadian based company.  The sail was built in Sri
> Lanka from what I can tell.  I ordered the Challenge High Modulus Dacron.
>
> My question is, what should I be looking for as I inspect the new sail?  I
> plan on comparing the old Rolly Tasker head sail and the relatively new
> seeming Main.  Other than that, I don't really know enough about sails to
> know if I got what I paid for.  I'll probably unroll it and snap a bunch of
> pics if anyone would be interested.
>
> Thanks for any insights and advice you may be able to offer.
>
> Danny
> T40
> Rum Runner IV
> Mattapoisett, MA
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Stus-List Got a New 135% Head Sail

[Danny Haughey via CnC-List]

Hello all,I just received my new head sail from Precision sail loft last night! 
 I'll be unrolling it tonight to have a first look.  I took a chance to order 
online from this Canadian based company.  The sail was built in Sri Lanka from 
what I can tell.  I ordered the Challenge High Modulus Dacron. My question is, 
what should I be looking for as I inspect the new sail?  I plan on comparing 
the old Rolly Tasker head sail and the relatively new seeming Main.  Other than 
that, I don't really know enough about sails to know if I got what I paid for.  
I'll probably unroll it and snap a bunch of pics if anyone would be interested. 
Thanks for any insights and advice you may be able to offer. DannyT40Rum Runner 
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