Re: Stus-List Mast Wedge Help

2019-02-07 Thread Josh Muckley via CnC-List 
I don't know if Jake Broderson is still on the list or will answer up but
he was a huge fan of Spartite.  While showing me his installation I asked
about removing the mast and he said that Spartite manufacturer suggests
that the mast can be "slipped" out.  He stated that he did not have that
much luck and needed to unbolt the collar and then have the collar lift off
with the mast.

Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C 37+
Solomons, MD



On Thu, Feb 7, 2019, 5:41 AM Rod Stright via CnC-List 
wrote:

> Anyone have any problem with the Spartite  stick against the mast collar
> when hauling the mast out?
>
>
>
> Rod Stright
>
> Halifax
>
>
>
> *From:* CnC-List  *On Behalf Of *Neil
> Andersen via CnC-List
> *Sent:* February-07-19 12:40 AM
> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com; cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> *Cc:* Neil Andersen 
> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Mast Wedge Help
>
>
>
> My 32 had wedges and 2 metal straps the bolt on to the mast.
>
>
>
> Neil
>
> C 32 FoxFire
>
>
>
> Neil Andersen
>
> 20691 Jamieson Rd
>
> Rock Hall, MD 21661
>
>
> --
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> *From:* CnC-List  on behalf of Bill
> Coleman via CnC-List 
> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 6, 2019 10:29 PM
> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> *Cc:* Bill Coleman
> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Mast Wedge Help
>
>
>
> Buy a can of Spartite, forget the wedges.
>
>
>
> Bill Coleman
>
> C 39 Erie, PA
>
>
>
> *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com
> ] *On Behalf Of *Steven A. Demore via
> CnC-List
> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 06, 2019 9:58 PM
> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> *Cc:* Steven A. Demore
> *Subject:* Stus-List Mast Wedge Help
>
>
>
> I had my C 30 MK1 dismasted yesterday to do some work on it.  The boat
> came with no wedges in the deck collar, so I made some one day, just to get
> through summer.  While taking down the mast yesterday, I asked the rigger
> what kind of wedges it should have.  He said he wasn’t sure whether C
> came with wedges, or a metal spacer.  Does anybody know what the factory
> used to support the mast through the deck?
>
> Also, while I am at it. Any suggestions on anything I should be checking
> on the mast?  I’m replacing the wiring, going to LED lights, replacing all
> of the running rigging, new blocks and sheaves, and checking out the step.
> The boom has the internal blocks and wire for tensioning the foot of the
> main, but I don’t know whether that is accessible for maintenance or not.
>
>
>
> One last thing.  I was planning to mount steps (the triangular aluminum
> ones) on the sides of the mast.  The rigger recommended against it because
> of the number of holes in the mast.  Anybody have thought on whether a
> series of small holes (1/8, 3/16??) would weaken the mast?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Steve
>
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Re: Stus-List Mast Wedge Help

2019-02-07 Thread Randy Stafford via CnC-List 
On Grenadine I use the NGA-18 tapered rubber wedges from Rig-Rite - 
http://www.rigrite.com/Spars/SparParts/Mast_wedges.php 
.  I’ve got a dozen of 
them, and insert them all around the mast.  Grenadine came with hardwood 
wedges, but their lips were breaking off, and they would fall out.

I remove my mast every offseason.  Every spring I slightly tweak the position 
of the mast base and therefore the mast’s position in the collar, based on what 
I learned the previous season.  I made a set of 1/4” teak shims for positioning 
the base fore-and-aft in the mast box.  After tuning the rig - centering 
transversely, ensuring it’s in column, and setting the rake - I put the wedges 
in.

My mast is so frickin’ stiff fore-and-aft I don’t think there’s any way in hell 
my vang induces bend in the lower section.  All I use the vang for is keeping 
the boom down and controlling mainsail leech tension off the wind.  Since these 
are masthead rigs, the backstay only affects forestay tension therefore 
headsail draft, and rake therefore helm balance (secondarily to sail 
selection).  It’s not at all like a bendy J/22 mast and fractional rig.

Some rubber wedges still fall out over the course of the season, which makes me 
think I haven’t got the mast perfectly centered in the collar yet (hence the 
annual tweaking).  Or there may be a bit of play from adjusting the backstay, 
or forces on the rig while sailing.   However I’m afraid to go to a “permanent” 
solution like Spar-tite because I think that would make it a lot harder to 
unstep and re-step the mast every year (using a hand-cranked gin pole, at that).

Regarding the step, my write-up of my mast step support re-build project may be 
of use to you.  It also contains some discussion of the rig tuning aspects.  
It’s at https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B-NqAxQ6JxFTUlhmbUs4YTZlZnM 
.

Cheers,
Randy Stafford
S/V Grenadine
C 30-1 #7
Ken Caryl, CO

> On Feb 6, 2019, at 7:58 PM, Steven A. Demore via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> I had my C 30 MK1 dismasted yesterday to do some work on it.  The boat came 
> with no wedges in the deck collar, so I made some one day, just to get 
> through summer.  While taking down the mast yesterday, I asked the rigger 
> what kind of wedges it should have.  He said he wasn’t sure whether C came 
> with wedges, or a metal spacer.  Does anybody know what the factory used to 
> support the mast through the deck?
> 
> Also, while I am at it. Any suggestions on anything I should be checking on 
> the mast?  I’m replacing the wiring, going to LED lights, replacing all of 
> the running rigging, new blocks and sheaves, and checking out the step.  The 
> boom has the internal blocks and wire for tensioning the foot of the main, 
> but I don’t know whether that is accessible for maintenance or not.
>  
> One last thing.  I was planning to mount steps (the triangular aluminum ones) 
> on the sides of the mast.  The rigger recommended against it because of the 
> number of holes in the mast.  Anybody have thought on whether a series of 
> small holes (1/8, 3/16??) would weaken the mast?
> 
> Thanks,
> Steve
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Re: Stus-List Mast Wedge Help

2019-02-07 Thread Matthew L. Wolford via CnC-List 
Spartite directs that you use petroleum jelly on the partners before pouring 
the plug.  Most people do not want the plug to move on the mast (which Spartite 
assumes), so the mast is not lubed before pouring.  If you want to be able to 
remove the plug, you could use petroleum jelly on the mast as well.  

From: Neil E. Andersen via CnC-List 
Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2019 10:23 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Cc: Neil E. Andersen 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Mast Wedge Help

What about wrapping something like paper (grocery store bag thickness) around 
the mast before using the Spartite?   Something like mast, lube paper, 
Spartite, boat??

 

Neil Andersen

1982 C FoxFire

Rock Hall, MD

 

Full disclosure – I am a yacht broker with S Yachts

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via CnC-List
Sent: Thursday, February 7, 2019 9:10 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Matthew L. Wolford 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Mast Wedge Help

 

Yes.  The line I use to pull the stick is substantial, but it stretches a bit.  
The first time I pulled the mast after installing Spartite, the line stretched 
before the plug “let go.”  The mast jumped about a foot, like a big-ass pogo 
stick.  Very unnerving.

 

As I noted earlier, the bigger problem for me has been getting the stick 
re-aligned so the plug fits correctly when putting the mast back on.  This may 
take some fine adjustments, which takes time, and your help may lose patience – 
especially if you’re splitting the crane time.  In my view, this is the biggest 
downside of Spartite.

 

From: Rod Stright via CnC-List 

Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2019 5:40 AM

To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 

Cc: Rod Stright 

Subject: Re: Stus-List Mast Wedge Help

 

Anyone have any problem with the Spartite  stick against the mast collar when 
hauling the mast out?

 

Rod Stright

Halifax

 

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Re: Stus-List Mast Wedge Help

2019-02-07 Thread Matthew L. Wolford via CnC-List 
You definitely don’t want to make a plug until you are fully content with the 
position of the mast.  As others have correctly stated, the plug eliminates the 
ability to alter the rake as the mast goes through the partners.  If this is an 
issue, do not use Spartite.  I have a 62-foot telephone pole for a mast and 
found a position with which I’m happy.  I don’t tweak the amount of rake.

From: Glen Eddie via CnC-List 
Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2019 10:28 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Cc: Glen Eddie 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Mast Wedge Help

This is a great discussion thread.  I have had the box of spartite in the trunk 
of my car for two years but have been to hesitant to use it.  My main concern 
is that I have not been satisfied that I have ever had the best mast alignment 
in the collar.  If someone could provide info on this this for me for a c 35 
mk1 (racing trim).  It would be much appreciated. 

 

Much appreciated. 

 

Glen Eddie
   
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Andersen via CnC-List
Sent: February-07-19 10:24 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Neil E. Andersen
Subject: Re: Stus-List Mast Wedge Help

 

What about wrapping something like paper (grocery store bag thickness) around 
the mast before using the Spartite?   Something like mast, lube paper, 
Spartite, boat??

 

Neil Andersen

1982 C FoxFire

Rock Hall, MD

 

Full disclosure – I am a yacht broker with S Yachts

From: CnC-List  On Behalf Of Matthew L. Wolford 
via CnC-List
Sent: Thursday, February 7, 2019 9:10 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Matthew L. Wolford 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Mast Wedge Help

 

Yes.  The line I use to pull the stick is substantial, but it stretches a bit.  
The first time I pulled the mast after installing Spartite, the line stretched 
before the plug “let go.”  The mast jumped about a foot, like a big-ass pogo 
stick.  Very unnerving.

 

As I noted earlier, the bigger problem for me has been getting the stick 
re-aligned so the plug fits correctly when putting the mast back on.  This may 
take some fine adjustments, which takes time, and your help may lose patience – 
especially if you’re splitting the crane time.  In my view, this is the biggest 
downside of Spartite.

 

From: Rod Stright via CnC-List 

Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2019 5:40 AM

To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 

Cc: Rod Stright 

Subject: Re: Stus-List Mast Wedge Help

 

Anyone have any problem with the Spartite  stick against the mast collar when 
hauling the mast out?

 

Rod Stright

Halifax

 

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Re: Stus-List Mast Wedge Help

2019-02-07 Thread Jack Fitzgerald via CnC-List 
All,

I used Spartite way back when it first entered the market. I have no issues
whatsoever when removing the mast for maintenance. The wood mast wedges
went the way of the Dodo bird years ago.

Simply read and then follow the instructions exactly.


Best regards,
Jack Fitzgerald
C 39TM
HONEY - US12788
Savannah, GA USA

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On Thu, Feb 7, 2019 at 10:53 AM CHARLES SCHEAFFER via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> I don't have Spartite but it looks like a very good solution to prevent
> point loading and something I always wanted.  I believe you want the
> Spartite plug to stick to the mast and to release from the collar and may
> require some persuasion from inside to help that along when they crane out
> the mast.   Rubber mallet and short 2 x 4 to tap it loose?   I haven't
> researched this but maybe the collar needs to be heavily waxed before
> assembly, to prevent adhesion.   This would need to be done each time prior
> to restepping.
>
>
> Chuck, Resolute 1990 C 34R
>
>
>
> On February 7, 2019 at 10:23 AM "Neil E. Andersen via CnC-List" <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> What about wrapping something like paper (grocery store bag thickness)
> around the mast before using the Spartite?   Something like mast, lube
> paper, Spartite, boat??
>
>
>
> Neil Andersen
>
> 1982 C FoxFire
>
> Rock Hall, MD
>
>
>
> Full disclosure – I am a yacht broker with S Yachts
>
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Re: Stus-List Mast Wedge Help

2019-02-07 Thread Michael Brown via CnC-List 

After trying various things including nothing I have been happy with thick 
rubber pads.
I purchase a couple of feet from a roll and trimmed it.


This may be the product, I think there was a choice of thicknesses at the store:


https://www.princessauto.com/en/detail/heavy-duty-checker-plate-rolled-rubber-mat-by-the-foot-/A-p8681660e


My thoughts were that the C 30-1 mast is stiff and even with a lot of 
pressure on the backstay
it did not bend much with the mast blocked hard in the collar. There was some 
bend but more just
pulling the masthead back inducing rake rather than putting a curve into the 
mast.


When the mast is stepped I can leave the strips out, center and tune 
everything, then may adjust
the heel to center the mast in the collar. The strips are in two pieces and run 
in a semicircle at the
front and back leaving room for the hold down strips. The mat thickness I am 
using, slightly less
than a quarter inch, will slide in from the bottom by forcing the mast back 
then forward.




When checking the mast you may want to take the mast top casting off, held on by
eight machine screws. The original sheaves are aluminum with a pressed oilite 
bronze
bearing. If the bearing wears or crushes out the sheaves can lean, wear or jam. 
I replaced
the bearings and found them to have worn significantly in two years. I replaced 
them
with "hard plastic" Acetal sheaves that are wire rated though I have all rope 
halyards.
I drilled the centers out to a larger diameter and made a plain bearing 
arrangement
with another Acetal donut forced over the stainless axel. That has lasted years 
with
no wear and is much easier to hoist with.


Michael Brown
Windburn
C 30-1






Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2019 21:58:27 -0500 
From: "Steven A. Demore"  
 
I had my C 30 MK1 dismasted yesterday to do some work on it.  The boat 
came with no wedges in the deck collar, so I made some one day, just to get 
through summer.  While taking down the mast yesterday, I asked the rigger 
what kind of wedges it should have.  He said he wasn't sure whether C 
came with wedges, or a metal spacer.  Does anybody know what the factory 
used to support the mast through the deck? 
 
Also, while I am at it. Any suggestions on anything I should be checking on 
the mast?  I'm replacing the wiring, going to LED lights, replacing all of 
the running rigging, new blocks and sheaves, and checking out the step.  The 
boom has the internal blocks and wire for tensioning the foot of the main, 
but I don't know whether that is accessible for maintenance or not. 
 
  
 
One last thing.  I was planning to mount steps (the triangular aluminum 
ones) on the sides of the mast.  The rigger recommended against it because 
of the number of holes in the mast.  Anybody have thought on whether a 
series of small holes (1/8, 3/16??) would weaken the mast? 
 
 
 
Thanks, 
 
Steve 
 
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Re: Stus-List Mast Wedge Help

2019-02-07 Thread CHARLES SCHEAFFER via CnC-List 
I don't have Spartite but it looks like a very good solution to prevent point 
loading and something I always wanted.  I believe you want the Spartite plug to 
stick to the mast and to release from the collar and may require some 
persuasion from inside to help that along when they crane out the mast.   
Rubber mallet and short 2 x 4 to tap it loose?   I haven't researched this but 
maybe the collar needs to be heavily waxed before assembly, to prevent 
adhesion.   This would need to be done each time prior to restepping.


Chuck, Resolute 1990 C 34R



> On February 7, 2019 at 10:23 AM "Neil E. Andersen via CnC-List" 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> What about wrapping something like paper (grocery store bag thickness) 
> around the mast before using the Spartite?   Something like mast, lube paper, 
> Spartite, boat??
> 
>  
> 
> Neil Andersen
> 
> 1982 C FoxFire
> 
> Rock Hall, MD
> 
>  
> 
> Full disclosure – I am a yacht broker with S Yachts
> 
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Re: Stus-List Mast Wedge Help

2019-02-07 Thread Gary Nylander via CnC-List 
I have six oak wedges and two stainless straps on my 30-1. I've seen some
ads for some hard rubber or plastic wedges which look interesting, but have
had only one oak one break in 25 years, so... The comment about Spartite or
some other system to fix the mast at the partners contradicts the idea that
you use the little plywood shims at the base of the mast to control mast
rake. My boat has four of those, they were split, two in front of the mast,
two behind, and for more rake I now have one in front and the other three
aft.

 

Not a big issue, just renew your wiring and remount.

 

Gary

#593

 

 

 

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via CnC-List
Sent: Wednesday, February 6, 2019 9:58 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Steven A. Demore 
Subject: Stus-List Mast Wedge Help

 

I had my C 30 MK1 dismasted yesterday to do some work on it.  The boat
came with no wedges in the deck collar, so I made some one day, just to get
through summer.  While taking down the mast yesterday, I asked the rigger
what kind of wedges it should have.  He said he wasn't sure whether C
came with wedges, or a metal spacer.  Does anybody know what the factory
used to support the mast through the deck?

Also, while I am at it. Any suggestions on anything I should be checking on
the mast?  I'm replacing the wiring, going to LED lights, replacing all of
the running rigging, new blocks and sheaves, and checking out the step.  The
boom has the internal blocks and wire for tensioning the foot of the main,
but I don't know whether that is accessible for maintenance or not.

 

One last thing.  I was planning to mount steps (the triangular aluminum
ones) on the sides of the mast.  The rigger recommended against it because
of the number of holes in the mast.  Anybody have thought on whether a
series of small holes (1/8, 3/16??) would weaken the mast?

Thanks,

Steve

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Re: Stus-List Mast Wedge Help

2019-02-07 Thread Bill Coleman via CnC-List 
I would think you’d want the SparTite to adhere to your mast, not the boat.

I cleaned my mast super clean where the Urethane was, and put Vaseline  around 
the aluminum collar. It sticks onto the mast like glue.

It is a little tight, but always slips out.  You can be a little creative, I 
learned after the fact, and when using your tape and putty for molding, bring 
it a little below the collar with a drip edge, and you won’t need a mast boot. 
I have another mast collar that was super tight, the crane operator told me 
they were up to 6,000# load on the crane, I had to do something.

So I jacked it up with a hydraulic jack. When It was out, I sanded the SparTite 
down some to make it easier, it may have had a bell shape. 

 

Bill Coleman

C 39 Erie, PA

 

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via CnC-List
Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2019 10:29 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Glen Eddie
Subject: Re: Stus-List Mast Wedge Help

 

This is a great discussion thread.  I have had the box of spartite in the trunk 
of my car for two years but have been to hesitant to use it.  My main concern 
is that I have not been satisfied that I have ever had the best mast alignment 
in the collar.  If someone could provide info on this this for me for a c 35 
mk1 (racing trim).  It would be much appreciated. 

 

Much appreciated. 

 



Glen Eddie


Tel:  416-777-5357


Fax:  1-888-812-2557


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Andersen via CnC-List
Sent: February-07-19 10:24 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Neil E. Andersen
Subject: Re: Stus-List Mast Wedge Help

 

What about wrapping something like paper (grocery store bag thickness) around 
the mast before using the Spartite?   Something like mast, lube paper, 
Spartite, boat??

 

Neil Andersen

1982 C FoxFire

Rock Hall, MD

 

Full disclosure – I am a yacht broker with S Yachts

From: CnC-List  On Behalf Of Matthew L. Wolford 
via CnC-List
Sent: Thursday, February 7, 2019 9:10 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Matthew L. Wolford 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Mast Wedge Help

 

Yes.  The line I use to pull the stick is substantial, but it stretches a bit.  
The first time I pulled the mast after installing Spartite, the line stretched 
before the plug “let go.”  The mast jumped about a foot, like a big-ass pogo 
stick.  Very unnerving.

 

As I noted earlier, the bigger problem for me has been getting the stick 
re-aligned so the plug fits correctly when putting the mast back on.  This may 
take some fine adjustments, which takes time, and your help may lose patience – 
especially if you’re splitting the crane time.  In my view, this is the biggest 
downside of Spartite.

 

From: Rod Stright via CnC-List <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>  

Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2019 5:40 AM

To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 

Cc: Rod <mailto:strig...@eastlink.ca>  Stright 

Subject: Re: Stus-List Mast Wedge Help

 

Anyone have any problem with the Spartite  stick against the mast collar when 
hauling the mast out?

 

Rod Stright

Halifax

 

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Re: Stus-List Mast Wedge Help

2019-02-07 Thread Glen Eddie via CnC-List 
This is a great discussion thread.  I have had the box of spartite in the trunk 
of my car for two years but have been to hesitant to use it.  My main concern 
is that I have not been satisfied that I have ever had the best mast alignment 
in the collar.  If someone could provide info on this this for me for a c 35 
mk1 (racing trim).  It would be much appreciated.

Much appreciated.

Glen Eddie

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What about wrapping something like paper (grocery store bag thickness) around 
the mast before using the Spartite?   Something like mast, lube paper, 
Spartite, boat??

Neil Andersen
1982 C FoxFire
Rock Hall, MD

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Yes.  The line I use to pull the stick is substantial, but it stretches a bit.  
The first time I pulled the mast after installing Spartite, the line stretched 
before the plug “let go.”  The mast jumped about a foot, like a big-ass pogo 
stick.  Very unnerving.

As I noted earlier, the bigger problem for me has been getting the stick 
re-aligned so the plug fits correctly when putting the mast back on.  This may 
take some fine adjustments, which takes time, and your help may lose patience – 
especially if you’re splitting the crane time.  In my view, this is the biggest 
downside of Spartite.

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Subject: Re: Stus-List Mast Wedge Help

Anyone have any problem with the Spartite  stick against the mast collar when 
hauling the mast out?

Rod Stright
Halifax

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Re: Stus-List Mast Wedge Help

2019-02-07 Thread Neil E. Andersen via CnC-List 
What about wrapping something like paper (grocery store bag thickness) around 
the mast before using the Spartite?   Something like mast, lube paper, 
Spartite, boat??

 

Neil Andersen

1982 C FoxFire

Rock Hall, MD

 

Full disclosure – I am a yacht broker with S Yachts

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Yes.  The line I use to pull the stick is substantial, but it stretches a bit.  
The first time I pulled the mast after installing Spartite, the line stretched 
before the plug “let go.”  The mast jumped about a foot, like a big-ass pogo 
stick.  Very unnerving.

 

As I noted earlier, the bigger problem for me has been getting the stick 
re-aligned so the plug fits correctly when putting the mast back on.  This may 
take some fine adjustments, which takes time, and your help may lose patience – 
especially if you’re splitting the crane time.  In my view, this is the biggest 
downside of Spartite.

 

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Subject: Re: Stus-List Mast Wedge Help

 

Anyone have any problem with the Spartite  stick against the mast collar when 
hauling the mast out?

 

Rod Stright

Halifax

 

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Re: Stus-List Mast Wedge Help

2019-02-07 Thread Matthew L. Wolford via CnC-List 
Yes.  The line I use to pull the stick is substantial, but it stretches a bit.  
The first time I pulled the mast after installing Spartite, the line stretched 
before the plug “let go.”  The mast jumped about a foot, like a big-ass pogo 
stick.  Very unnerving.

As I noted earlier, the bigger problem for me has been getting the stick 
re-aligned so the plug fits correctly when putting the mast back on.  This may 
take some fine adjustments, which takes time, and your help may lose patience – 
especially if you’re splitting the crane time.  In my view, this is the biggest 
downside of Spartite.

From: Rod Stright via CnC-List 
Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2019 5:40 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Cc: Rod Stright 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Mast Wedge Help

Anyone have any problem with the Spartite  stick against the mast collar when 
hauling the mast out?

 

Rod Stright

Halifax

 

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Re: Stus-List Mast Wedge Help

2019-02-07 Thread Matthew L. Wolford via CnC-List 
Spartite here.

There can definitely be issues the first time you pull the mast (it wants to 
hang on, even if you lubed it correctly).  There can also be issues getting the 
alignment correct putting the mast back in – especially large masts while 
you’re paying the crane operator for his time.  Despite these issues, I’m a 
Spartite fan.  When we’re out bouncing around in big seas, I’m glad to have the 
plug.

From: Ken Heaton via CnC-List 
Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2019 7:51 AM
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Subject: Re: Stus-List Mast Wedge Help

Every C I've ever seen had wooden wedges or shaped wooden blocks, up to as 
many as eight for larger boats (except a few that had SparTite). 

Ken H.

On Thu, 7 Feb 2019 at 08:43, nausetbeach--- via CnC-List 
 wrote:

  Yes.  Although I lubed the inside of the collar prior to pouring in the 
Spartite, I was so focused on getting the mast in the right position [used 
multiple lines led to snatch blocks and to winches to position the mast] I did 
not notice a small flange on the inside of the collar.  When the yard tried to 
pull the mast several years later, there were starting to lift the boat out of 
the water.  They stopped and called me.  I had to unbolt the collar from the 
boat, and then the mast could be pulled.  Took a couple of days to get the 
collar off the mast.  Then used a Dremel to grind down that small flange.  The 
mast has been pulled 2 times since without issue.  Is pretty amazing that 
little flange was sufficient to hold most of the weight of the boat. 



  Spartite is a great product, but is pretty much a one and done deal.  Measure 
many times and pour once… 



  Brian



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  Anyone have any problem with the Spartite  stick against the mast collar when 
hauling the mast out?



  Rod Stright

  Halifax

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Re: Stus-List Mast Wedge Help

2019-02-07 Thread Ken Heaton via CnC-List 
Every C I've ever seen had wooden wedges or shaped wooden blocks, up to
as many as eight for larger boats (except a few that had SparTite).

Ken H.

On Thu, 7 Feb 2019 at 08:43, nausetbeach--- via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Yes.  Although I lubed the inside of the collar prior to pouring in the
> Spartite, I was so focused on getting the mast in the right position [used
> multiple lines led to snatch blocks and to winches to position the mast] I
> did not notice a small flange on the inside of the collar.  When the yard
> tried to pull the mast several years later, there were starting to lift the
> boat out of the water.  They stopped and called me.  I had to unbolt the
> collar from the boat, and then the mast could be pulled.  Took a couple of
> days to get the collar off the mast.  Then used a Dremel to grind down that
> small flange.  The mast has been pulled 2 times since without issue.  Is
> pretty amazing that little flange was sufficient to hold most of the weight
> of the boat.
>
>
>
> Spartite is a great product, but is pretty much a one and done deal.
> Measure many times and pour once…
>
>
>
> Brian
>
>
>
> *From:* CnC-List  *On Behalf Of *Rod
> Stright via CnC-List
> *Sent:* Thursday, February 7, 2019 5:41 AM
> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> *Cc:* Rod Stright 
> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Mast Wedge Help
>
>
>
> Anyone have any problem with the Spartite  stick against the mast collar
> when hauling the mast out?
>
>
>
> Rod Stright
>
> Halifax
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Re: Stus-List Mast Wedge Help

2019-02-07 Thread nausetbeach--- via CnC-List 
Yes.  Although I lubed the inside of the collar prior to pouring in the
Spartite, I was so focused on getting the mast in the right position [used
multiple lines led to snatch blocks and to winches to position the mast] I
did not notice a small flange on the inside of the collar.  When the yard
tried to pull the mast several years later, there were starting to lift the
boat out of the water.  They stopped and called me.  I had to unbolt the
collar from the boat, and then the mast could be pulled.  Took a couple of
days to get the collar off the mast.  Then used a Dremel to grind down that
small flange.  The mast has been pulled 2 times since without issue.  Is
pretty amazing that little flange was sufficient to hold most of the weight
of the boat. 

 

Spartite is a great product, but is pretty much a one and done deal.
Measure many times and pour once. 

 

Brian

 

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Anyone have any problem with the Spartite  stick against the mast collar
when hauling the mast out?

 

Rod Stright

Halifax

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Re: Stus-List Mast Wedge Help

2019-02-07 Thread Wade Glew via CnC-List 
Wouldn't the use of Spartite make it difficult at a later date to make any
fine adjustments of the the mast rake to change the center of
effort/weather helm?

Wade Glew
Oh Boy 33-2
Lake of the Woods

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On Wed, Feb 6, 2019 at 9:29 PM Bill Coleman via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Buy a can of Spartite, forget the wedges.
>
>
>
> Bill Coleman
>
> C 39 Erie, PA
>
>
>
> *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *Steven
> A. Demore via CnC-List
> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 06, 2019 9:58 PM
> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> *Cc:* Steven A. Demore
> *Subject:* Stus-List Mast Wedge Help
>
>
>
> I had my C 30 MK1 dismasted yesterday to do some work on it.  The boat
> came with no wedges in the deck collar, so I made some one day, just to get
> through summer.  While taking down the mast yesterday, I asked the rigger
> what kind of wedges it should have.  He said he wasn’t sure whether C
> came with wedges, or a metal spacer.  Does anybody know what the factory
> used to support the mast through the deck?
>
> Also, while I am at it. Any suggestions on anything I should be checking
> on the mast?  I’m replacing the wiring, going to LED lights, replacing all
> of the running rigging, new blocks and sheaves, and checking out the step.
> The boom has the internal blocks and wire for tensioning the foot of the
> main, but I don’t know whether that is accessible for maintenance or not.
>
>
>
> One last thing.  I was planning to mount steps (the triangular aluminum
> ones) on the sides of the mast.  The rigger recommended against it because
> of the number of holes in the mast.  Anybody have thought on whether a
> series of small holes (1/8, 3/16??) would weaken the mast?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Steve
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Re: Stus-List Mast Wedge Help

2019-02-07 Thread Rod Stright via CnC-List 
Anyone have any problem with the Spartite  stick against the mast collar
when hauling the mast out?

 

Rod Stright

Halifax

 

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Cc: Neil Andersen 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Mast Wedge Help

 

My 32 had wedges and 2 metal straps the bolt on to the mast.

 

Neil

C 32 FoxFire

 

Neil Andersen

20691 Jamieson Rd

Rock Hall, MD 21661

 

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Buy a can of Spartite, forget the wedges.

 

Bill Coleman

C 39 Erie, PA

 

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Cc: Steven A. Demore
Subject: Stus-List Mast Wedge Help

 

I had my C 30 MK1 dismasted yesterday to do some work on it.  The boat
came with no wedges in the deck collar, so I made some one day, just to get
through summer.  While taking down the mast yesterday, I asked the rigger
what kind of wedges it should have.  He said he wasn't sure whether C
came with wedges, or a metal spacer.  Does anybody know what the factory
used to support the mast through the deck?

Also, while I am at it. Any suggestions on anything I should be checking on
the mast?  I'm replacing the wiring, going to LED lights, replacing all of
the running rigging, new blocks and sheaves, and checking out the step.  The
boom has the internal blocks and wire for tensioning the foot of the main,
but I don't know whether that is accessible for maintenance or not.

 

One last thing.  I was planning to mount steps (the triangular aluminum
ones) on the sides of the mast.  The rigger recommended against it because
of the number of holes in the mast.  Anybody have thought on whether a
series of small holes (1/8, 3/16??) would weaken the mast?

Thanks,

Steve



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Re: Stus-List Mast Wedge Help

2019-02-06 Thread svrebeccaleah via CnC-List 
Only thing I can recommend is run a cable down toe out side corners of steps on 
each side of last. This will help prevent lines from getting tangles in the 
steps. Doug Mountjoy Sv Rebecca Leah LH39Port Orchard YC wa.
 Original message From: "Steven A. Demore via CnC-List" 
 Date: 2/6/19  18:58  (GMT-08:00) To: 
cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: "Steven A. Demore"  Subject: 
Stus-List Mast Wedge Help I had my C 30 MK1 dismasted yesterday to do some 
work on it.  The boat came with no wedges in the deck collar, so I made some 
one day, just to get through summer.  While taking down the mast yesterday, I 
asked the rigger what kind of wedges it should have.  He said he wasn’t sure 
whether C came with wedges, or a metal spacer.  Does anybody know what the 
factory used to support the mast through the deck?Also, while I am at it. Any 
suggestions on anything I should be checking on the mast?  I’m replacing the 
wiring, going to LED lights, replacing all of the running rigging, new blocks 
and sheaves, and checking out the step.  The boom has the internal blocks and 
wire for tensioning the foot of the main, but I don’t know whether that is 
accessible for maintenance or not. One last thing.  I was planning to mount 
steps (the triangular aluminum ones) on the sides of the mast.  The rigger 
recommended against it because of the number of holes in the mast.  Anybody 
have thought on whether a series of small holes (1/8, 3/16??) would weaken the 
mast?Thanks,Steve___

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Re: Stus-List Mast Wedge Help

2019-02-06 Thread Neil Andersen via CnC-List 
My 32 had wedges and 2 metal straps the bolt on to the mast.

Neil
C 32 FoxFire

Neil Andersen
20691 Jamieson Rd
Rock Hall, MD 21661


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Subject: Re: Stus-List Mast Wedge Help

Buy a can of Spartite, forget the wedges.

Bill Coleman
C 39 Erie, PA

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Cc: Steven A. Demore
Subject: Stus-List Mast Wedge Help

I had my C 30 MK1 dismasted yesterday to do some work on it.  The boat came 
with no wedges in the deck collar, so I made some one day, just to get through 
summer.  While taking down the mast yesterday, I asked the rigger what kind of 
wedges it should have.  He said he wasn’t sure whether C came with wedges, 
or a metal spacer.  Does anybody know what the factory used to support the mast 
through the deck?

Also, while I am at it. Any suggestions on anything I should be checking on the 
mast?  I’m replacing the wiring, going to LED lights, replacing all of the 
running rigging, new blocks and sheaves, and checking out the step.  The boom 
has the internal blocks and wire for tensioning the foot of the main, but I 
don’t know whether that is accessible for maintenance or not.

One last thing.  I was planning to mount steps (the triangular aluminum ones) 
on the sides of the mast.  The rigger recommended against it because of the 
number of holes in the mast.  Anybody have thought on whether a series of small 
holes (1/8, 3/16??) would weaken the mast?
Thanks,
Steve
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Re: Stus-List Mast Wedge Help

2019-02-06 Thread Bill Coleman via CnC-List 
Buy a can of Spartite, forget the wedges.

 

Bill Coleman

C 39 Erie, PA

 

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Subject: Stus-List Mast Wedge Help

 

I had my C 30 MK1 dismasted yesterday to do some work on it.  The boat
came with no wedges in the deck collar, so I made some one day, just to get
through summer.  While taking down the mast yesterday, I asked the rigger
what kind of wedges it should have.  He said he wasn't sure whether C
came with wedges, or a metal spacer.  Does anybody know what the factory
used to support the mast through the deck?

Also, while I am at it. Any suggestions on anything I should be checking on
the mast?  I'm replacing the wiring, going to LED lights, replacing all of
the running rigging, new blocks and sheaves, and checking out the step.  The
boom has the internal blocks and wire for tensioning the foot of the main,
but I don't know whether that is accessible for maintenance or not.

 

One last thing.  I was planning to mount steps (the triangular aluminum
ones) on the sides of the mast.  The rigger recommended against it because
of the number of holes in the mast.  Anybody have thought on whether a
series of small holes (1/8, 3/16??) would weaken the mast?

Thanks,

Steve

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Stus-List Mast Wedge Help

2019-02-06 Thread Steven A. Demore via CnC-List 
I had my C 30 MK1 dismasted yesterday to do some work on it.  The boat
came with no wedges in the deck collar, so I made some one day, just to get
through summer.  While taking down the mast yesterday, I asked the rigger
what kind of wedges it should have.  He said he wasn't sure whether C
came with wedges, or a metal spacer.  Does anybody know what the factory
used to support the mast through the deck?

Also, while I am at it. Any suggestions on anything I should be checking on
the mast?  I'm replacing the wiring, going to LED lights, replacing all of
the running rigging, new blocks and sheaves, and checking out the step.  The
boom has the internal blocks and wire for tensioning the foot of the main,
but I don't know whether that is accessible for maintenance or not.

 

One last thing.  I was planning to mount steps (the triangular aluminum
ones) on the sides of the mast.  The rigger recommended against it because
of the number of holes in the mast.  Anybody have thought on whether a
series of small holes (1/8, 3/16??) would weaken the mast?



Thanks,

Steve

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