Stus-List New sails, new wind

[Robert Abbott via CnC-List]

Interesting discussion on sail selection.  And that is a broad subject.  
What kind of racing?


While I have retired from racing, I clearly remember racing with a sail 
inventory4 head sails (150% light and heavy air...#1, 135%...#2, and 
a 100%..#3), 2 spinnakers (systematical 3/4 oz. and a 1/2 oz.).   Many 
races we (I as the foredeck person) was changing head sails to suit 
changes conditions.  We sometimes did a spinnaker peel (something we 
practiced).  The main stayed full until we had to go down to the #3.  
Much of this racing was on a C&C 33 MKII and a C&C 34R.


Where I sail here in Halifax Harbour, Nova Scotia, Canada, there is no 
one sail that works best for any given race day.  I am now a reacher, 
not a racer, but I still know the difference in sail selection for the 
conditions. I now sail much of the season with a furled 135%...it is my 
go to sail...many days my 100% blade is the sail to have...one day last 
year, a fellow lister here that we raced a lot together, was coming with 
me for an afternoon sail and he said "it is going to be a light air day, 
bring your 155% light air Kevlar today I did we dropped the 135% and 
hoisted the 155% and it was the right sail for the day.  The next day, 
no way could I hoist the 155%.


One head sail for racing is something I have no knowledge and/or 
experience in and therefore have no relevant or helpful advice.


If you wish to race with only one head sail, and your prevailing wind is 
around 10 knots true, my best guess would be a 135%.


Robert Abbott
AZURA
C&C 32 - #277
Halifax, N.S.
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Stus-List New sails, new wind

[Charlie Nelson via CnC-List]

Hello all listers. 
I have a hypothetical for the racers among you. 
I need to replace my 3DL headsail--its mostly patches after ~ 5 years of club 
racing locally. This is about my 3rd laminate style headsail---and my last!
I am probably going with the North 3D Nordac which has replaced the former 3DL 
technology with what they call a composite sail--not laminated but still built 
over a 3D mold of the sail shape desired--if I understand this correctly. I do 
not need the super light and costly Raw or Endurance.
Anyhow, I plan to move to a new sailing area off Southport, NC near Bald Head 
Island at the mouth of the Cape Fear River--basically on the NC coast.
All my club racing to date has been in the Pamlico and Neuse Rivers, 
occasionally racing to Ocracoke across the Pamlico Sound. For these areas, a 
155% headsail is the largest you can race with locally without penalty and so 
that is what I have always used. 
The North sail maker suggested because of the higher coastal winds that I may 
not need a 155% since the wind strength is higher at the coast. OTOH, a racer 
there uses a 155% headsail and says he does well with it. 
I checked the historical average wind speed for Southport and New Bern and the 
coastal winds are from 20-25% higher than at New Bern. For instance, the avg. 
wind speed varies from 5.5-8.1 knots in New Bern vs. about 7-10 knots in 
Southport, or about 25% higher on average.
Further, I know from experience that my masthead rig becomes seriously 
overpowered once the wind gets greater than about 12 knots true, when its time 
to reef the main(I only have 1 reef point) and if it goes above ~ 15 knots, I 
need to roll the headsail a few turns (or change down to a 135% or 90% 
headsail).
I am not inclined to go less than the 155% allowed locally (PHRF) but maybe I 
should--the local North guy suggested ~ 140%. This might better match the local 
wind and is less expensive since less material is used. OTOH, I don't want to 
be under canvassed on the light air days. 
Further, there is the question of sail material weight to consider. 
I plan for this to be my last headsail purchase and may use it some for local 
cruising in addition to club racing. BTW, it will be used on a furler either 
way.
So what would the listers do!!
Charlie Nelson1995 C&C 36 XL/kcbWater Phantom



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Stus-List New sails?????

[Ted_Relinda--- via CnC-List]

Question to the group. 
I am getting a new set of cruising sails for our 40.   My choice is going to be 
between Doyle or Quantum. I have had Doyle sail before and their service and 
quality were great. Made in St.Pete Fl. right up the road. 100 miles. Quantum 
sails with almost identical specs comes in about 400 bucks lower but are made 
in Sri  Lanka. Service is relatively close on on the east coast of Fl. Given 
between the two, what might you buy. Has anybody had experience with the 
SriLanka sails. It's my understanding that several lofts and a lot of sails 
come from there. 
Thanks
TedS/V Ten-TenPunta Gorda, Fl. 

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Stus-List New sails

[Charlie Nelson via CnC-List]

OK--my 5 yr old 3Di North 155 head sail is almost dead--especially after a tear 
along the foot during a race on Halloween.
I think I want to go with a non-laminate sail (their life locally seems to be 
around 5 years in my use of them) and since I mostly club-race and maybe CRW, I 
am not going with a 'Grand Prix' sail of any kind. I'd just like to get more 
years out of my headsail than the 5 yr average I have had over the last 15 
years with laminate sails. 
In ~ 2010, I purchased a kite, mainsail and 155 genoa from Hood because several 
locals liked the longevity of their Vectran reinforced, high 'density' woven 
Dacron which Hood made themselves in Ireland.
Both the kite and the mainsail are still in good shape but they were unable to 
get the shape of the 155 correct, even after I returned it for adjustments--it 
actually had a 'negative' shape (i.e. going to upwind it wanted to curl to 
weather over some of its luff?).
I eventually had it re cut locally which made it more like a 140% so its not a 
155 but at least it doesn't have a negative shape!
Anyhow, I am looking for a longer life 155 for local club racing and 'cruising' 
to other local races, although most of this is with the engine.
Since Hood no longer exists and I would be reluctant to go there after the 
experience I had with the 155, I am thinking of 3Di NorDac from North. If you 
believe their hype, it has the advantages of a molded sail, the longer life of 
a Dacron and per a quote I had 2 years ago actually a little less expensive 
than the non-molded Nordac.
I know that Hood has been purchased by Quantum but I don't know if they 
maintained the high 'denier(?) Dacron reinforced with Vectran that Hood used.
Thoughts from the list on this would be appreciated. 
In the meantime, I hope a local sail maker can 'patch' the foot of my 3Di so I 
can finish our winter series (5 race days thru January 2021). Unfortunately , 
the patch would require a sail tape about the width of 'butcher paper'!
Thanks,
Charlie NelsonWater Phantom1995 C&C 36 XL/kcb



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Stus-List New Sails

[Tom Buscaglia via CnC-List]

I also used UK for both my main and new 145 
Genoa.  The main is tricky and difficult to get 
right due to the Schaefer in boom furling set 
up.  I took my old main to North and they blew 
it.  Love the new sails and Stewart in Sidney was 
great to work with. 
<https://www.uksailmakers.com/lofts-americas/northwest>https://www.uksailmakers.com/lofts-americas/northwest 



 The currency "discount" from CD to USD was a great additional incentive. ;)


As I understand it,Rolly Tasker build sails for 
many US brands in their huge loft in Thailand.  I 
went direct and picked up am asymmetrical for 
Jubilee, my 35 MK1 from them several years ago 
through Dirk in Florida (he used to work in the 
main loft and was great to work with.  ~$1300 for 
the 1.5 oz bright yellow banana!


Here's his info

Dirk Sharland
National Sail Supply, LLC (Rolly Tasker Sails, Florida)
26092 Withrow Rd
Brooksville, FL 34601
1-800-611-3823
fax 813-200-1385
from outside of US 352-540-9101 www.nationalsail.com



¤º°`°º¤,¸¸,¤º°`°º¤¤º°`°º¤,¸¸,¤º°`°º¤.
Tom & Lynn Buscaglia
SV Alera
C&C 37+/40
Vashon Island WA
(206) 463-9200
www.sv-alera.com





Message: 1
Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2020 22:18:24 -0500
From: schiller 
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List New Sails...
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David,

We have sails on order with the UK loft for spring delivery for our C&C
35-3.? UK is building a 140% Genoa of 7.3 oz high modulus dacron with a
foam luff, UV sun shield, sail numbers and tell tail windows.? The main
is 8.3 oz high mod with 4 full battens, 2 reef points, sail numbers, C&C
logo and cunningham.? UK will transfer all of the Tides Strongtrack
hardware to the new main.? Both come with sail bags.

We had a UK Genoa and North Main on our Redwing 35 (C&C 35-1).? The
North took three tries to get it right.? It was a good sail when they
finally got it right bit it was frustrating.? The UK sail was perfect
out of the bag.

Both of the sails are still flying on Joe Della Barba's C&C 35-1.

Our sails are being finished in the Chicago loft.

Neil Schiller
1983 C&C 35-3, #028, "Grace"
Whitehall, Michigan
WLYC

On 1/15/2020 5:36 PM, David Risch via CnC-List wrote:
>
> Hello,
>
> I am sure we have been there and done that, but please indulge me?
>
> Going through the process of shopping for new sails.?? Not a small
> budget item for a 40.?? Know the arguments of local vs. national vs.
> offshore. ??Cruising with offshore racing and cruising with occasional
> beer can.?? Main and 125%.?? ??Leaning toward high quality Dacron
> cross-cut as they are easier to repair and I do not want to get into
> the laminates.?? Blew a big budget on those years ago
>
> Specific questions are regarding cloth choices generally and
> specifically as C & C ?have tall skinny mains (especially the 40).
> ?What has been your experiences with the differing sail lofts?? I am
> getting prices with 50% swings and that is a bit mind-boggling as I am
> getting information that many sails are built in the same lofts
> overseas and re-branded.? I am sure that is an over-simplification,
> but there it is.?? Difficult to compare pricing with the cloth specs
> being a foreign language to me.
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
> */David F. Risch/*
>
> */(401) 419-4650/*
>
>


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Re: Stus-List New Sails...

[jim aridas via CnC-List]

I had very good luck with a Nordac main from North on my 34. After 8 years 
still had lots of life left in
it and held shape. Perhaps the cloth is different now?
Speaking of sails I still have 2 really nice jibs from my 1982 C&C 34. Went 
on a harken roller. made for the boat
by North Sails
135% mylar/kevlar with taffata sharkskin on both sides. used maybe 5 times.
155% mylar/kevlar with taffata on one side. in very good shape.
contact me off line if interested jarid...@msn.com
Jim
former "Galaxy" 34' k/cb
Brielle, NJ

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Re: Stus-List New Sails...

[Charlie Nelson via CnC-List]

+1 on the Hood Vectran--I had my main made of this in 2010 and it is still 
going strong--in the meantime, I have gone thru (almost) 3 laminate headsails. 
At the time, I think Hood manufactured its own sail material (at least of the 
Vectran stuff) in Ireland. Joe Cooper came to the boat and did the 
measurements. 
Charlie NelsonWater PhantomC&C 36 XL/kcb


-Original Message-
From: Donald Kern via CnC-List 
To: cnc-list 
Cc: Donald Kern 
Sent: Wed, Jan 15, 2020 7:25 pm
Subject: Re: Stus-List New Sails...

 David
 I have a Hood Vectron main that I bought for racing in 2007.  It is now my 
cruising sail and still has reasonable shape and would recommend it.  A J30 
skipper was so impressed with it that he bought one for cruising (Vectron was 
not class legal for racing on a J30).  However, since the Hood loft got bought 
by Quantum (2017) I do not know if the cloth would still be available, It was 
last year but I had to ask the Loft.  I have attached a fairly technical 
exploitation on sailcloths and below is a newer article found in Practical 
Sailor:
 
https://www.practical-sailor.com/sails-rigging-deckgear/sailmakers-advice-and-prices
 
 Don Kern
 Fireball C&C 35 Mk2
 
 
 On 1/15/2020 5:36 PM, David Risch via CnC-List wrote:
  
 
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am sure we have been there and done that, but please indulge me…    Going 
through the process of shopping for new sails.   Not a small budget item for a 
40.   Know the arguments of local vs. national vs. offshore.   Cruising with 
offshore racing and cruising with occasional beer can.   Main and 125%.     
Leaning toward high quality Dacron cross-cut as they are easier to repair and I 
do not want to get into the laminates.   Blew a big budget on those years ago   
    Specific questions are regarding cloth choices generally and specifically 
as C & C  have tall skinny mains (especially the 40).  What has been your 
experiences with the differing sail lofts?  I am getting prices with 50% swings 
and that is a bit mind-boggling as I am getting information that many sails are 
built in the same lofts overseas and re-branded.  I am sure that is an 
over-simplification, but there it is.   Difficult to compare pricing with the 
cloth specs being a foreign language to me.     Thanks in advance.    David F. 
Risch (401) 419-4650     
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Re: Stus-List New Sails...

[Joel Aronson via CnC-List]

David,

I buy my sails from Bacon.  They use the Quantum loft for 40% less.

No matter what, get at least 2 full battens.  A tri-radial cut will cost
more but last longer.  Do not get cheap cloth no matter what cut you get.
Hydra Net is significantly more expensive the dacron but if you want a sail
that lasts 10 years check it out.

Joel



On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 10:45 PM Matthew L. Wolford via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Echoing Neil’s comments about North – at least in recent years -- not only
> was the NorDac main on my boat less than stellar, another boat in my local
> fleet had a similar issue (North ended up replacing the main on that boat)
> and my next door neighbor (cruiser) had an issue with his NorDac genoa.
> New to my boat this past summer was a North spinnaker.  The local North rep
> was on board when we raised it and saw three numerals for the sail number
> instead of five.  They are fixing the sail number over the winter (not sure
> how without messing up a brand new sail).
>
> The bottom line: given the prices charged by North, the sails should be
> near perfect (no mistakes) out of the bag.  In my view, they are too
> expensive and have gotten too big for “regular” sailors like me.
>
> Matt Wolford
> C&C 42 Custom
>
> *From:* schiller via CnC-List 
> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 15, 2020 10:18 PM
> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> *Cc:* schiller 
> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List New Sails...
>
> David,
>
> We have sails on order with the UK loft for spring delivery for our C&C
> 35-3.  UK is building a 140% Genoa of 7.3 oz high modulus dacron with a
> foam luff, UV sun shield, sail numbers and tell tail windows.  The main is
> 8.3 oz high mod with 4 full battens, 2 reef points, sail numbers, C&C logo
> and cunningham.  UK will transfer all of the Tides Strongtrack hardware to
> the new main.  Both come with sail bags.
>
> We had a UK Genoa and North Main on our Redwing 35 (C&C 35-1).  The North
> took three tries to get it right.  It was a good sail when they finally got
> it right bit it was frustrating.  The UK sail was perfect out of the bag.
>
> Both of the sails are still flying on Joe Della Barba's C&C 35-1.
>
> Our sails are being finished in the Chicago loft.
>
> Neil Schiller
> 1983 C&C 35-3, #028, "Grace"
> Whitehall, Michigan
> WLYC
>
> On 1/15/2020 5:36 PM, David Risch via CnC-List wrote:
>
> Hello,
>
>
>
> I am sure we have been there and done that, but please indulge me…
>
>
>
> Going through the process of shopping for new sails.   Not a small budget
> item for a 40.   Know the arguments of local vs. national vs. offshore.
> Cruising with offshore racing and cruising with occasional beer can.   Main
> and 125%. Leaning toward high quality Dacron cross-cut as they are
> easier to repair and I do not want to get into the laminates.   Blew a big
> budget on those years ago
>
>
>
> Specific questions are regarding cloth choices generally and specifically
> as C & C  have tall skinny mains (especially the 40).  What has been your
> experiences with the differing sail lofts?  I am getting prices with 50%
> swings and that is a bit mind-boggling as I am getting information that
> many sails are built in the same lofts overseas and re-branded.  I am sure
> that is an over-simplification, but there it is.   Difficult to compare
> pricing with the cloth specs being a foreign language to me.
>
>
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
>
>
> *David F. Risch*
>
> *(401) 419-4650*
>
>
>
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>

-- 
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Re: Stus-List New Sails...

[Joel Aronson via CnC-List]

On Thu, Jan 16, 2020 at 10:28 AM Joel Aronson 
wrote:

> David,
>
> I buy my sails from Bacon.  They use the Quantum loft for 40% less.
>
> No matter what, get at least 2 full battens.  A tri-radial cut will cost
> more but last longer.  Do not get cheap cloth no matter what cut you get.
> Hydra Net is significantly more expensive the dacron but if you want a sail
> that lasts 10 years check it out.
>
> Joel
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 10:45 PM Matthew L. Wolford via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>> Echoing Neil’s comments about North – at least in recent years -- not
>> only was the NorDac main on my boat less than stellar, another boat in my
>> local fleet had a similar issue (North ended up replacing the main on that
>> boat) and my next door neighbor (cruiser) had an issue with his NorDac
>> genoa.  New to my boat this past summer was a North spinnaker.  The local
>> North rep was on board when we raised it and saw three numerals for the
>> sail number instead of five.  They are fixing the sail number over the
>> winter (not sure how without messing up a brand new sail).
>>
>> The bottom line: given the prices charged by North, the sails should be
>> near perfect (no mistakes) out of the bag.  In my view, they are too
>> expensive and have gotten too big for “regular” sailors like me.
>>
>> Matt Wolford
>> C&C 42 Custom
>>
>> *From:* schiller via CnC-List 
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 15, 2020 10:18 PM
>> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
>> *Cc:* schiller 
>> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List New Sails...
>>
>> David,
>>
>> We have sails on order with the UK loft for spring delivery for our C&C
>> 35-3.  UK is building a 140% Genoa of 7.3 oz high modulus dacron with a
>> foam luff, UV sun shield, sail numbers and tell tail windows.  The main is
>> 8.3 oz high mod with 4 full battens, 2 reef points, sail numbers, C&C logo
>> and cunningham.  UK will transfer all of the Tides Strongtrack hardware to
>> the new main.  Both come with sail bags.
>>
>> We had a UK Genoa and North Main on our Redwing 35 (C&C 35-1).  The North
>> took three tries to get it right.  It was a good sail when they finally got
>> it right bit it was frustrating.  The UK sail was perfect out of the bag.
>>
>> Both of the sails are still flying on Joe Della Barba's C&C 35-1.
>>
>> Our sails are being finished in the Chicago loft.
>>
>> Neil Schiller
>> 1983 C&C 35-3, #028, "Grace"
>> Whitehall, Michigan
>> WLYC
>>
>> On 1/15/2020 5:36 PM, David Risch via CnC-List wrote:
>>
>> Hello,
>>
>>
>>
>> I am sure we have been there and done that, but please indulge me…
>>
>>
>>
>> Going through the process of shopping for new sails.   Not a small budget
>> item for a 40.   Know the arguments of local vs. national vs. offshore.
>> Cruising with offshore racing and cruising with occasional beer can.   Main
>> and 125%. Leaning toward high quality Dacron cross-cut as they are
>> easier to repair and I do not want to get into the laminates.   Blew a big
>> budget on those years ago
>>
>>
>>
>> Specific questions are regarding cloth choices generally and specifically
>> as C & C  have tall skinny mains (especially the 40).  What has been your
>> experiences with the differing sail lofts?  I am getting prices with 50%
>> swings and that is a bit mind-boggling as I am getting information that
>> many sails are built in the same lofts overseas and re-branded.  I am sure
>> that is an over-simplification, but there it is.   Difficult to compare
>> pricing with the cloth specs being a foreign language to me.
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks in advance.
>>
>>
>>
>> *David F. Risch*
>>
>> *(401) 419-4650*
>>
>>
>>
>> ___
>>
>> Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions.  Each and 
>> every one is greatly appreciated.  If you want to support the list - use 
>> PayPal to send contribution --   https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
>>
>>
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>>
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>>
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>>
>>
>
> --
> Joel
>
>

-- 
Joel
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Re: Stus-List New Sails...

[Matthew L. Wolford via CnC-List]

Echoing Neil’s comments about North – at least in recent years -- not only was 
the NorDac main on my boat less than stellar, another boat in my local fleet 
had a similar issue (North ended up replacing the main on that boat) and my 
next door neighbor (cruiser) had an issue with his NorDac genoa.  New to my 
boat this past summer was a North spinnaker.  The local North rep was on board 
when we raised it and saw three numerals for the sail number instead of five.  
They are fixing the sail number over the winter (not sure how without messing 
up a brand new sail).

The bottom line: given the prices charged by North, the sails should be near 
perfect (no mistakes) out of the bag.  In my view, they are too expensive and 
have gotten too big for “regular” sailors like me.

Matt Wolford
C&C 42 Custom 

From: schiller via CnC-List 
Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2020 10:18 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Cc: schiller 
Subject: Re: Stus-List New Sails...

David,

We have sails on order with the UK loft for spring delivery for our C&C 35-3.  
UK is building a 140% Genoa of 7.3 oz high modulus dacron with a foam luff, UV 
sun shield, sail numbers and tell tail windows.  The main is 8.3 oz high mod 
with 4 full battens, 2 reef points, sail numbers, C&C logo and cunningham.  UK 
will transfer all of the Tides Strongtrack hardware to the new main.  Both come 
with sail bags.  

We had a UK Genoa and North Main on our Redwing 35 (C&C 35-1).  The North took 
three tries to get it right.  It was a good sail when they finally got it right 
bit it was frustrating.  The UK sail was perfect out of the bag.

Both of the sails are still flying on Joe Della Barba's C&C 35-1.

Our sails are being finished in the Chicago loft.

Neil Schiller
1983 C&C 35-3, #028, "Grace"
Whitehall, Michigan
WLYC


On 1/15/2020 5:36 PM, David Risch via CnC-List wrote:

  Hello,

   

  I am sure we have been there and done that, but please indulge me…

   

  Going through the process of shopping for new sails.   Not a small budget 
item for a 40.   Know the arguments of local vs. national vs. offshore.   
Cruising with offshore racing and cruising with occasional beer can.   Main and 
125%. Leaning toward high quality Dacron cross-cut as they are easier to 
repair and I do not want to get into the laminates.   Blew a big budget on 
those years ago   

   

  Specific questions are regarding cloth choices generally and specifically as 
C & C  have tall skinny mains (especially the 40).  What has been your 
experiences with the differing sail lofts?  I am getting prices with 50% swings 
and that is a bit mind-boggling as I am getting information that many sails are 
built in the same lofts overseas and re-branded.  I am sure that is an 
over-simplification, but there it is.   Difficult to compare pricing with the 
cloth specs being a foreign language to me. 

   

  Thanks in advance.

   

  David F. Risch

  (401) 419-4650

   


   
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Re: Stus-List new sails

[Luke Wolbrink via CnC-List]

I just bought a new main from evolution sails. It's a kiwi based company
but their local rep in Chicago really took his time to work through things.
Was less than quantum but more than precision for a similar sail. I got a
racing laminate from their element line for my 35-3 but they also offer
white sails.
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Re: Stus-List New Sails...

[schiller via CnC-List]

David,

We have sails on order with the UK loft for spring delivery for our C&C 
35-3.  UK is building a 140% Genoa of 7.3 oz high modulus dacron with a 
foam luff, UV sun shield, sail numbers and tell tail windows.  The main 
is 8.3 oz high mod with 4 full battens, 2 reef points, sail numbers, C&C 
logo and cunningham.  UK will transfer all of the Tides Strongtrack 
hardware to the new main.  Both come with sail bags.


We had a UK Genoa and North Main on our Redwing 35 (C&C 35-1).  The 
North took three tries to get it right.  It was a good sail when they 
finally got it right bit it was frustrating.  The UK sail was perfect 
out of the bag.


Both of the sails are still flying on Joe Della Barba's C&C 35-1.

Our sails are being finished in the Chicago loft.

Neil Schiller
1983 C&C 35-3, #028, "Grace"
Whitehall, Michigan
WLYC

On 1/15/2020 5:36 PM, David Risch via CnC-List wrote:


Hello,

I am sure we have been there and done that, but please indulge me…

Going through the process of shopping for new sails.   Not a small 
budget item for a 40.   Know the arguments of local vs. national vs. 
offshore.   Cruising with offshore racing and cruising with occasional 
beer can.   Main and 125%.     Leaning toward high quality Dacron 
cross-cut as they are easier to repair and I do not want to get into 
the laminates.   Blew a big budget on those years ago


Specific questions are regarding cloth choices generally and 
specifically as C & C  have tall skinny mains (especially the 40). 
 What has been your experiences with the differing sail lofts?  I am 
getting prices with 50% swings and that is a bit mind-boggling as I am 
getting information that many sails are built in the same lofts 
overseas and re-branded.  I am sure that is an over-simplification, 
but there it is.   Difficult to compare pricing with the cloth specs 
being a foreign language to me.


Thanks in advance.

*/David F. Risch/*

*/(401) 419-4650/*


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Re: Stus-List New Sails...

[Richard Bush via CnC-List]

 David, its a good question; I purchased new Main and 135% from Doyle, St. 
Petersburg, FL loft and am happy with them; dacron white sails, no racing, no 
oceans crossings on my horizon ... 
 Price was reasonable; we had to do many conversations and photos via phone, 
and I had to do all of the measurements, because of the distance...there are no 
sail makers or outlets anywhere near us...: a Chicago North loft quoted 
staggering prices, so I looked elsewhere;  

I can see where having a person on board that can see and measure the boat 
personally would be a great benefit.
Richard
 s.v Bushmark4; 1985 C&C 37, CB Ohio River, Mile 596

Richard N. Bush Law Offices 
2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine 
Louisville, Kentucky 40220-1462 
502-584-7255 
 
-Original Message-
From: Matthew L. Wolford via CnC-List 
To: cnc-list 
Cc: Matthew L. Wolford 
Sent: Wed, Jan 15, 2020 9:33 pm
Subject: Re: Stus-List New Sails...

FYI, I have dealt with both Doyle and North, and I prefer Doyle.  The best rag 
on my boat is a Doyle 153% genoa (not dacron, however). From: Nathan Post via 
CnC-List Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2020 9:20 PMTo: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: 
Nathan Post Subject: Re: Stus-List New Sails... David, I purchased new Dacron 
cruising sails (main and 135% genoa) for our 34 last spring for the 2019 
season.  After getting quotes and discussing it with several suppliers 
including North Sails and Precision I decided to go with Doyle Sails in Salem 
MA.  Chris Howes at Doyle worked with me on the quote and throughout the 
process.  It was a positive experience and I am very pleased with the end 
result.  I would highly recommend Doyle as a local MA sail loft. We selected 
the Durasail product line for the main and genoa - both using cross cut Dacron. 
 In the case of the main, they used a 7.62 oz HA (high aspect) material which 
is designed to take the additional vertical load from the aspect ratio of the 
sail.  I think that it has more fiber in the vertical direction than the 
horizontal direction.  The new sail was designed with a loose foot which really 
helps with making the outhaul effective.  Four full battens, two sets of reef 
points and attachment of the luff track slides from my old sail were all 
included.  The Genoa is 7.77 oz “Marblehead constructed” and included a sun 
cover and luff flatter for reefing by partial furling were included.  The sun 
cover on the furling genoa is a relatively thin material that is white and 
unlike Sunbrella doesn’t weigh down the sail significantly - it is hard to 
notice it is there if you are not looking for it.  They also included sail bags 
and a full collection of sail ties, C&C logo and pre-installed a complete set 
of tell-tails on both sails!  The set of main and genoa cost around $5000 + tax 
if I remember correctly for my boat - your boat is larger and it is a year 
later so presumably will be more. Doyle makes sails both in Salem and in 
Jamaica.  I specifically requested that they make the sails locally in Salem 
and they were fine with doing that (and didn’t charge a premium).  I was able 
to take my old sails to their loft to have them measured and I picked up the 
new sails at the same location so there wasn’t any shipping charge (did have to 
pay MA sales tax of course).  Also Doyle finished the sails significantly 
earlier than they quoted me and well before the start of the season.  I also 
appreciated that they took me seriously and gave really good customer service 
even though this was a small order for them (at least judging by what they had 
going on in the loft at the time). North sails quote was initially a lot more 
although they came down quite a bit (to just slightly more than Doyle’s price) 
when the sales person learned of the price point I had selected - but they also 
had a long lead time quoted that would have been well into the middle of the 
season for us.  Hint - it can be worth pitting one maker against another - they 
seem to have some ability to adjust pricing so negotiating is definitely an 
option.  Precision’s base quote came in much cheeper than Doyle although by 
time you add in all the extra’s to the same rough quality and components 
provided by Doyle, it is unclear if it would have been less expensive (it was 
hard to make an apples to apples comparison since they were using different 
materials and the details were different).  Precision charges separately for 
each “additional" thing including reinforcements, reef points, etc. - all of 
that is included by default from Doyle.  Overall I really appreciated the 
service and knowledge of having a local loft do the work and I also liked 
supporting the local economy.  I would definitely go with Doyle again next time 
I need a sail. New sails are great to have and after one season on the boat 
they still look and feel almost new so I think that they will last a long time! 
That’s my two cents,Nathan S/V Wisper 19

Re: Stus-List New Sails...

[Matthew L. Wolford via CnC-List]

FYI, I have dealt with both Doyle and North, and I prefer Doyle.  The best rag 
on my boat is a Doyle 153% genoa (not dacron, however).

From: Nathan Post via CnC-List 
Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2020 9:20 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Cc: Nathan Post 
Subject: Re: Stus-List New Sails...

David,

I purchased new Dacron cruising sails (main and 135% genoa) for our 34 last 
spring for the 2019 season.  After getting quotes and discussing it with 
several suppliers including North Sails and Precision I decided to go with 
Doyle Sails in Salem MA.  Chris Howes at Doyle worked with me on the quote and 
throughout the process.  It was a positive experience and I am very pleased 
with the end result.  I would highly recommend Doyle as a local MA sail loft.

We selected the Durasail product line for the main and genoa - both using cross 
cut Dacron.  In the case of the main, they used a 7.62 oz HA (high aspect) 
material which is designed to take the additional vertical load from the aspect 
ratio of the sail.  I think that it has more fiber in the vertical direction 
than the horizontal direction.  The new sail was designed with a loose foot 
which really helps with making the outhaul effective.  Four full battens, two 
sets of reef points and attachment of the luff track slides from my old sail 
were all included.  The Genoa is 7.77 oz “Marblehead constructed” and included 
a sun cover and luff flatter for reefing by partial furling were included.  The 
sun cover on the furling genoa is a relatively thin material that is white and 
unlike Sunbrella doesn’t weigh down the sail significantly - it is hard to 
notice it is there if you are not looking for it.  They also included sail bags 
and a full collection of sail ties, C&C logo and pre-installed a complete set 
of tell-tails on both sails!  The set of main and genoa cost around $5000 + tax 
if I remember correctly for my boat - your boat is larger and it is a year 
later so presumably will be more.

Doyle makes sails both in Salem and in Jamaica.  I specifically requested that 
they make the sails locally in Salem and they were fine with doing that (and 
didn’t charge a premium).  I was able to take my old sails to their loft to 
have them measured and I picked up the new sails at the same location so there 
wasn’t any shipping charge (did have to pay MA sales tax of course).  Also 
Doyle finished the sails significantly earlier than they quoted me and well 
before the start of the season.  I also appreciated that they took me seriously 
and gave really good customer service even though this was a small order for 
them (at least judging by what they had going on in the loft at the time).

North sails quote was initially a lot more although they came down quite a bit 
(to just slightly more than Doyle’s price) when the sales person learned of the 
price point I had selected - but they also had a long lead time quoted that 
would have been well into the middle of the season for us.  Hint - it can be 
worth pitting one maker against another - they seem to have some ability to 
adjust pricing so negotiating is definitely an option.  Precision’s base quote 
came in much cheeper than Doyle although by time you add in all the extra’s to 
the same rough quality and components provided by Doyle, it is unclear if it 
would have been less expensive (it was hard to make an apples to apples 
comparison since they were using different materials and the details were 
different).  Precision charges separately for each “additional" thing including 
reinforcements, reef points, etc. - all of that is included by default from 
Doyle.  Overall I really appreciated the service and knowledge of having a 
local loft do the work and I also liked supporting the local economy.  I would 
definitely go with Doyle again next time I need a sail.

New sails are great to have and after one season on the boat they still look 
and feel almost new so I think that they will last a long time!

That’s my two cents,
Nathan

S/V Wisper 
1981 C&C 34
Lynn, MA



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Re: Stus-List New Sails...

[Nathan Post via CnC-List]

David,

I purchased new Dacron cruising sails (main and 135% genoa) for our 34 last 
spring for the 2019 season.  After getting quotes and discussing it with 
several suppliers including North Sails and Precision I decided to go with 
Doyle Sails in Salem MA.  Chris Howes at Doyle worked with me on the quote and 
throughout the process.  It was a positive experience and I am very pleased 
with the end result.  I would highly recommend Doyle as a local MA sail loft.

We selected the Durasail product line for the main and genoa - both using cross 
cut Dacron.  In the case of the main, they used a 7.62 oz HA (high aspect) 
material which is designed to take the additional vertical load from the aspect 
ratio of the sail.  I think that it has more fiber in the vertical direction 
than the horizontal direction.  The new sail was designed with a loose foot 
which really helps with making the outhaul effective.  Four full battens, two 
sets of reef points and attachment of the luff track slides from my old sail 
were all included.  The Genoa is 7.77 oz “Marblehead constructed” and included 
a sun cover and luff flatter for reefing by partial furling were included.  The 
sun cover on the furling genoa is a relatively thin material that is white and 
unlike Sunbrella doesn’t weigh down the sail significantly - it is hard to 
notice it is there if you are not looking for it.  They also included sail bags 
and a full collection of sail ties, C&C logo and pre-installed a complete set 
of tell-tails on both sails!  The set of main and genoa cost around $5000 + tax 
if I remember correctly for my boat - your boat is larger and it is a year 
later so presumably will be more.

Doyle makes sails both in Salem and in Jamaica.  I specifically requested that 
they make the sails locally in Salem and they were fine with doing that (and 
didn’t charge a premium).  I was able to take my old sails to their loft to 
have them measured and I picked up the new sails at the same location so there 
wasn’t any shipping charge (did have to pay MA sales tax of course).  Also 
Doyle finished the sails significantly earlier than they quoted me and well 
before the start of the season.  I also appreciated that they took me seriously 
and gave really good customer service even though this was a small order for 
them (at least judging by what they had going on in the loft at the time).

North sails quote was initially a lot more although they came down quite a bit 
(to just slightly more than Doyle’s price) when the sales person learned of the 
price point I had selected - but they also had a long lead time quoted that 
would have been well into the middle of the season for us.  Hint - it can be 
worth pitting one maker against another - they seem to have some ability to 
adjust pricing so negotiating is definitely an option.  Precision’s base quote 
came in much cheeper than Doyle although by time you add in all the extra’s to 
the same rough quality and components provided by Doyle, it is unclear if it 
would have been less expensive (it was hard to make an apples to apples 
comparison since they were using different materials and the details were 
different).  Precision charges separately for each “additional" thing including 
reinforcements, reef points, etc. - all of that is included by default from 
Doyle.  Overall I really appreciated the service and knowledge of having a 
local loft do the work and I also liked supporting the local economy.  I would 
definitely go with Doyle again next time I need a sail.

New sails are great to have and after one season on the boat they still look 
and feel almost new so I think that they will last a long time!

That’s my two cents,
Nathan

S/V Wisper 
1981 C&C 34
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Re: Stus-List New Sails...

[Danny Haughey via CnC-List]

I googled the address that my precision sail came from and the top result was 
for quantum sails oddly enough...Thanks, Danny
 Original message From: David Risch via CnC-List 
 Date: 1/15/20  5:36 PM  (GMT-05:00) To: 
cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: David Risch  Subject: Stus-List 
New Sails... 

Hello,
 
I am sure we have been there and done that, but please indulge me…
 
Going through the process of shopping for new sails.   Not a small budget item 
for a 40.   Know the arguments of local vs. national vs. offshore.   Cruising 
with offshore racing and cruising with occasional beer can.   Main and 125%.  
   Leaning toward high quality Dacron cross-cut as they are easier to repair 
and I do not want to get into the laminates.   Blew a big budget on those years 
ago  

 
Specific questions are regarding cloth choices generally and specifically as C 
& C  have tall skinny mains (especially the 40).  What has been your 
experiences with the differing sail lofts?  I am getting prices with 50% swings 
and that
 is a bit mind-boggling as I am getting information that many sails are built 
in the same lofts overseas and re-branded.  I am sure that is an 
over-simplification, but there it is.   Difficult to compare pricing with the 
cloth specs being a foreign language
 to me. 
 
Thanks in advance.
 
David F. Risch
(401) 419-4650
 



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Re: Stus-List New Sails...

[Chuck Gilchrest via CnC-List]

We always had North Sails on Zoomer and the Jib’s were 3DL on the #1 but the 2 
and 3 were Dacron then Kevlar reinforced.  Main was Dacron but radial cut, not 
cross cut.  They lasted at least 7 years with regular buoy racing.
Did you talk to Ben Sperry?  He’s still sailing with Dacron on Gentian and does 
very well both in distance an buoy events.  Plus he’s very local.
Cheers,
Chuck Gilchrest 
Half Magic
1983 35 LF
Padanaram MA
Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 15, 2020, at 5:37 PM, David Risch via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> Hello,
>  
> I am sure we have been there and done that, but please indulge me…
>  
> Going through the process of shopping for new sails.   Not a small budget 
> item for a 40.   Know the arguments of local vs. national vs. offshore.   
> Cruising with offshore racing and cruising with occasional beer can.   Main 
> and 125%. Leaning toward high quality Dacron cross-cut as they are easier 
> to repair and I do not want to get into the laminates.   Blew a big budget on 
> those years ago  
>  
> Specific questions are regarding cloth choices generally and specifically as 
> C & C  have tall skinny mains (especially the 40).  What has been your 
> experiences with the differing sail lofts?  I am getting prices with 50% 
> swings and that is a bit mind-boggling as I am getting information that many 
> sails are built in the same lofts overseas and re-branded.  I am sure that is 
> an over-simplification, but there it is.   Difficult to compare pricing with 
> the cloth specs being a foreign language to me.
>  
> Thanks in advance.
>  
> David F. Risch
> (401) 419-4650
>  
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Re: Stus-List New Sails...

[Donald Kern via CnC-List]

David
I have a Hood Vectron main that I bought for racing in 2007.  It is now 
my cruising sail and still has reasonable shape and would recommend it.  
A J30 skipper was so impressed with it that he bought one for cruising 
(Vectron was not class legal for racing on a J30). However, since the 
Hood loft got bought by Quantum (2017) I do not know if the cloth would 
still be available, It was last year but I had to ask the Loft.  I have 
attached a fairly technical exploitation on sailcloths and below is a 
newer article found in Practical Sailor:

https://www.practical-sailor.com/sails-rigging-deckgear/sailmakers-advice-and-prices

Don Kern
Fireball C&C 35 Mk2


On 1/15/2020 5:36 PM, David Risch via CnC-List wrote:


Hello,

I am sure we have been there and done that, but please indulge me…

Going through the process of shopping for new sails.   Not a small 
budget item for a 40.   Know the arguments of local vs. national vs. 
offshore.   Cruising with offshore racing and cruising with occasional 
beer can.   Main and 125%.     Leaning toward high quality Dacron 
cross-cut as they are easier to repair and I do not want to get into 
the laminates.   Blew a big budget on those years ago


Specific questions are regarding cloth choices generally and 
specifically as C & C  have tall skinny mains (especially the 40). 
 What has been your experiences with the differing sail lofts?  I am 
getting prices with 50% swings and that is a bit mind-boggling as I am 
getting information that many sails are built in the same lofts 
overseas and re-branded.  I am sure that is an over-simplification, 
but there it is.   Difficult to compare pricing with the cloth specs 
being a foreign language to me.


Thanks in advance.

*/David F. Risch/*

*/(401) 419-4650/*


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Re: Stus-List New Sails...

[Matthew L. Wolford via CnC-List]

About two years ago I bought a NorDac main from North.  It is a different kind 
of dacron, and is very heavy and cumbersome.  Mine was cut incorrectly, and has 
since been re-cut.  It looks much better now and seems to be performing 
acceptably, but I would not recommend it due to its bulk and clumsiness.

The local sailmaker in Erie recently figured out a way to cost-effectively make 
a relatively low stretch dacron main.  Dave Bierig (Bierig Sailmakers), (814) 
459-9600.  I would not ask Dave to make a racing genoa these days, but if I 
were buying a dacron main for my 42 today, I would ask him to make it.  I 
suspect his reconfigured main is relatively fast and a great value.  He’s 
approaching retirement, so you might need to twist his arm.

Matt Wolford

From: David Risch via CnC-List 
Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2020 5:36 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Cc: David Risch 
Subject: Stus-List New Sails...

Hello,

 

I am sure we have been there and done that, but please indulge me…

 

Going through the process of shopping for new sails.   Not a small budget item 
for a 40.   Know the arguments of local vs. national vs. offshore.   Cruising 
with offshore racing and cruising with occasional beer can.   Main and 125%.
 Leaning toward high quality Dacron cross-cut as they are easier to repair and 
I do not want to get into the laminates.   Blew a big budget on those years ago 
  

 

Specific questions are regarding cloth choices generally and specifically as C 
& C  have tall skinny mains (especially the 40).  What has been your 
experiences with the differing sail lofts?  I am getting prices with 50% swings 
and that is a bit mind-boggling as I am getting information that many sails are 
built in the same lofts overseas and re-branded.  I am sure that is an 
over-simplification, but there it is.   Difficult to compare pricing with the 
cloth specs being a foreign language to me. 

 

Thanks in advance.

 

David F. Risch

(401) 419-4650

 




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Stus-List New Sails...

[David Risch via CnC-List]

Hello,

I am sure we have been there and done that, but please indulge me...

Going through the process of shopping for new sails.   Not a small budget item 
for a 40.   Know the arguments of local vs. national vs. offshore.   Cruising 
with offshore racing and cruising with occasional beer can.   Main and 125%.
 Leaning toward high quality Dacron cross-cut as they are easier to repair and 
I do not want to get into the laminates.   Blew a big budget on those years ago

Specific questions are regarding cloth choices generally and specifically as C 
& C  have tall skinny mains (especially the 40).  What has been your 
experiences with the differing sail lofts?  I am getting prices with 50% swings 
and that is a bit mind-boggling as I am getting information that many sails are 
built in the same lofts overseas and re-branded.  I am sure that is an 
over-simplification, but there it is.   Difficult to compare pricing with the 
cloth specs being a foreign language to me.

Thanks in advance.

David F. Risch
(401) 419-4650

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Re: Stus-List New sails for C&C 34

[Josh Muckley via CnC-List]

No matter who or what you decide on, give the service and support of a
local loft considerable preference.  IMO there is nothing like getting
immediate service, personal and professional measurements, test sails,
revisions, and repairs.

Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C&C 37+
Solomons, MD



On Thu, Jul 5, 2018, 12:30 PM jay hackney via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> I’m considering getting new mainsail and 135% genoa (furling) for my 1980
> C&C 34. Current main & genoa are bagged out & not in top shape.
> I’m a cruiser, not a racer, so Dacron would be fine for my needs. As would
> partial battens on the main I believe.
> A couple of questions for the community:
> 1. I’m sailing out of Toronto, Ontario - any suggestions for local lofts?
> 2. Any chance of finding used sails still in good enough condition?
> 3. Any general suggestions regarding purchase of a new suit of sails?
>
> Many thanks
> Jay Hackney
> Toronto
> C&C 34: Windblown___
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Re: Stus-List New sails for C&C 34

[Rick Taillieu via CnC-List]

Jay,

When you're getting quotes, call Kevin Piper at Bay Sails in Hamilton he makes 
great sails and gives excellent service.

469 Bay Street North
Hamilton, Ontario
L8L 1N2 
(905) 529-7245

Rick Taillieu
Boatless 
Leamington, Ontario



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via CnC-List
Sent: July-05-18 12:29
To: DON JONSSON via CnC-List
Cc: jay hackney
Subject: Stus-List New sails for C&C 34

I’m considering getting new mainsail and 135% genoa (furling) for my 1980 C&C 
34. Current main & genoa are bagged out & not in top shape. 
I’m a cruiser, not a racer, so Dacron would be fine for my needs. As would 
partial battens on the main I believe.
A couple of questions for the community:
1. I’m sailing out of Toronto, Ontario - any suggestions for local lofts?
2. Any chance of finding used sails still in good enough condition?
3. Any general suggestions regarding purchase of a new suit of sails?

Many thanks
Jay Hackney
Toronto
C&C 34: Windblown


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Re: Stus-List New sails for C&C 34

[Dave S via CnC-List]

Jay, am in Whitby and went through this last year with the help of the good 
people here and others. 

  See blog for discussion.  

http://cncwindstar.blogspot.com/2016/10/mainsail-decision-made.html?m=1

http://cncwindstar.blogspot.com/2016/10/mainsail-specification-rig-photos.html?m=1

Am happy I ordered the main from a local loft.  I also need to order a headsail 
and may go with Rolly Tasker in Thailand.  (Good experience with them for 
custom a-chute)

Best of luck.  

Dave 
Windstar 33-2

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 5, 2018, at 6:29 PM, jay hackney  wrote:
> 
> I’m considering getting new mainsail and 135% genoa (furling) for my 1980 C&C 
> 34. Current main & genoa are bagged out & not in top shape. 
> I’m a cruiser, not a racer, so Dacron would be fine for my needs. As would 
> partial battens on the main I believe.
> A couple of questions for the community:
> 1. I’m sailing out of Toronto, Ontario - any suggestions for local lofts?
> 2. Any chance of finding used sails still in good enough condition?
> 3. Any general suggestions regarding purchase of a new suit of sails?
> 
> Many thanks
> Jay Hackney
> Toronto
> C&C 34: Windblown
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Re: Stus-List New sails for C&C 34

[Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List]

Jay,

My suggestion is - shop around. The prices for reasonably decent sails vary 
quite a bit. 

You are in a bit better place than I (there are some sail lofts in Toronto), 
but you may find that mail-ordering works quite well.

There is a discount sail loft right on the other side of the boarder (Somerset 
Sails, in Barker, NY). He makes reasonable sails at very reasonable price 
(about half of what a local Doyle dealer quoted).

Of course, it would be your measurements, so measure twice and then check again.

Before you seriously consider used sails, do shop around.

Good luck

Marek
1994 C270 "Legato"
Ottawa, ON

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To: DON JONSSON via CnC-List 
Cc: jay hackney 
Subject: Stus-List New sails for C&C 34

I’m considering getting new mainsail and 135% genoa (furling) for my 1980 C&C 
34. Current main & genoa are bagged out & not in top shape. 
I’m a cruiser, not a racer, so Dacron would be fine for my needs. As would 
partial battens on the main I believe.
A couple of questions for the community:
1. I’m sailing out of Toronto, Ontario - any suggestions for local lofts?
2. Any chance of finding used sails still in good enough condition?
3. Any general suggestions regarding purchase of a new suit of sails?

Many thanks
Jay Hackney
Toronto
C&C 34: Windblown
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Re: Stus-List New sails for C&C 34

[John McKay via CnC-List]

I am a big fan of Boston Doyle in Point Edward Ontario.

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  On Thu, 5 Jul 2018 at 12:30 PM, jay hackney via 
CnC-List wrote:   I’m considering getting new mainsail 
and 135% genoa (furling) for my 1980 C&C 34. Current main & genoa are bagged 
out & not in top shape. 
I’m a cruiser, not a racer, so Dacron would be fine for my needs. As would 
partial battens on the main I believe.
A couple of questions for the community:
1. I’m sailing out of Toronto, Ontario - any suggestions for local lofts?
2. Any chance of finding used sails still in good enough condition?
3. Any general suggestions regarding purchase of a new suit of sails?

Many thanks
Jay Hackney
Toronto
C&C 34: Windblown___

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Re: Stus-List New sails for C&C 34

[Josh Muckley via CnC-List]

Check out these articles.

https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0B8pEh5lnvP1yakFDZERscXFTaUE

On Thu, Jul 5, 2018, 12:30 PM jay hackney via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> I’m considering getting new mainsail and 135% genoa (furling) for my 1980
> C&C 34. Current main & genoa are bagged out & not in top shape.
> I’m a cruiser, not a racer, so Dacron would be fine for my needs. As would
> partial battens on the main I believe.
> A couple of questions for the community:
> 1. I’m sailing out of Toronto, Ontario - any suggestions for local lofts?
> 2. Any chance of finding used sails still in good enough condition?
> 3. Any general suggestions regarding purchase of a new suit of sails?
>
> Many thanks
> Jay Hackney
> Toronto
> C&C 34: Windblown___
>
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> and every one is greatly appreciated.  If you want to support the list -
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Re: Stus-List New sails for C&C 34

[John Berringer via CnC-List]

We have used Doyle's for new genoa and DRS for our C&C32. Good service and
reasonable prices


On Thu, Jul 5, 2018 at 11:30 jay hackney via CnC-List 
wrote:

> I’m considering getting new mainsail and 135% genoa (furling) for my 1980
> C&C 34. Current main & genoa are bagged out & not in top shape.
> I’m a cruiser, not a racer, so Dacron would be fine for my needs. As would
> partial battens on the main I believe.
> A couple of questions for the community:
> 1. I’m sailing out of Toronto, Ontario - any suggestions for local lofts?
> 2. Any chance of finding used sails still in good enough condition?
> 3. Any general suggestions regarding purchase of a new suit of sails?
>
> Many thanks
> Jay Hackney
> Toronto
> C&C 34: Windblown___
>
> Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions.  Each
> and every one is greatly appreciated.  If you want to support the list -
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Stus-List New sails for C&C 34

[jay hackney via CnC-List]

I’m considering getting new mainsail and 135% genoa (furling) for my 1980 C&C 
34. Current main & genoa are bagged out & not in top shape. 
I’m a cruiser, not a racer, so Dacron would be fine for my needs. As would 
partial battens on the main I believe.
A couple of questions for the community:
1. I’m sailing out of Toronto, Ontario - any suggestions for local lofts?
2. Any chance of finding used sails still in good enough condition?
3. Any general suggestions regarding purchase of a new suit of sails?

Many thanks
Jay Hackney
Toronto
C&C 34: Windblown

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Stus-List New sails for my 38

[Daniel Sheer via CnC-List]

I've been very pleased with the sails I got from Chesapeake Sailmakers (Chuck 
O'Malley) in Annapolis. Super service, and the roller furling 145 sails very 
well when furled to 110 as conditions dictate. On the Landfall 38, sailing jib 
only is a good option in heavy weather. The sails have held up very well, 
despite some long voyages in ~30 knt winds.
Dan SheerPegathy - Landfall 38Rock Creek off the Patapsco
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Re: Stus-List New sails for my 38 FI

[Russ & Melody via CnC-List]

Dammit.
I must be immature, since every time I see that 
Thailand city's name I can't help but hear the Ph as "F".


but then again,  as they say in Australia:
  "Phuket, let's go now!."

Cheers, Russ
 Sweet 35 mk-1

At 05:08 PM 07/08/2016, you wrote:

Jean-Francois — a correction: Rolly Tasker is NOT direct order from China".
They use the same cloth (Challenger, Bainbridge, 
etc.) as virtually all other sailmakers;



but their loft is in Phuket, Thailand.

— Fred



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Re: Stus-List New sails for my 38

[Danny Haughey via CnC-List]

I got a sail from precision sail loft this spring that I'm very happy with so 
far.  
Canadian loft designed it,  built overseas in the same loft as quantum.  Fit 
perfect,  rolls up nice,  moves the boat forward...  I got a 135% highest end 
cloth with all the bells and whistles.  Luff tape,  sunbrella, reinforced 
everything.  $3500ish for my 40 footer delivered.
Danny


Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device
 Original message From: Frederick G Street via CnC-List 
 Date: 8/7/16  8:08 PM  (GMT-05:00) To: 
cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Frederick G Street  Subject: Re: 
Stus-List New sails for my 38 
Jean-Francois — a correction: Rolly Tasker is NOT “direct order from China".  
They use the same cloth (Challenger, Bainbridge, etc.) as virtually all other 
sailmakers; but their loft is in Phuket, Thailand.
— Fred


Fred Street -- Minneapolis
S/V Oceanis (1979 C&C Landfall 38) -- Bayfield, WI

(so far, a satisfied first-time Rolly Tasker customer)

On Aug 6, 2016, at 11:15 AM, Jean-Francois J Rivard via CnC-List 
 wrote:
Hi Rick, 

If you are comfortable with Chinese sailcloth you might want to contact 
IslandPlanet http://islandplanetsails.com/ Island is out of Florida and Peak 
Sails  www.peaksailsna.com  and Peak is out of Virginia (Closer to you) 

They seem to be a good compromise between the direct order from china like 
Rolly Tasker and the traditional loft.  It looks like they offer services 
similar to a traditional loft but the cloth and sails do come from China with 
associated discounts. I have talked to Island Planet before and the vibe was 
positive.. Both seem to get pretty consistent positive reviews online. 

Another pretty competitive loft that's more like a discount North is Shurr 
Sails http://www.schurrsails.com/default.asp  out of Pensacola Florida.  Their 
sails are quite popular on the lake here. The Main guy: Hunter Riddle has a 
really good reputation as a designer of innovative and fast sails.. Their 
cruising sails have a good reputation for solid build and reasonable price. 


Good Luck with it. 


-Francois Rivard
1990 34+ "Take Five"
Lake Lanier, GA
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Re: Stus-List New sails for my 38

[Jerome Tauber via CnC-List]

>From what I can see on the internet Challenge Sailcloth is manufactured in 
>Thailand.  Not sure if any sailcloth is still made in U.S.  Jerry J&J
 

 

 

-Original Message-
From: Frederick G Street via CnC-List 
To: cnc-list 
Cc: Frederick G Street 
Sent: Sun, Aug 7, 2016 8:09 pm
Subject: Re: Stus-List New sails for my 38


Jean-Francois — a correction: Rolly Tasker is NOT “direct order from China".  
They use the same cloth (Challenger, Bainbridge, etc.) as virtually all other 
sailmakers; but their loft is in Phuket, Thailand.


— Fred






Fred Street -- Minneapolis
S/V Oceanis (1979 C&C Landfall 38) -- Bayfield, WI






(so far, a satisfied first-time Rolly Tasker customer)



On Aug 6, 2016, at 11:15 AM, Jean-Francois J Rivard via CnC-List 
 wrote:


Hi Rick, 

If you are comfortable with Chinese sailcloth you might want to contact 
IslandPlanet http://islandplanetsails.com/ Island is out of Florida and Peak 
Sails  www.peaksailsna.com  and Peak is out of Virginia (Closer to you) 

They seem to be a good compromise between the direct order from china like 
Rolly Tasker and the traditional loft.  It looks like they offer services 
similar to a traditional loft but the cloth and sails do come from China with 
associated discounts. I have talked to Island Planet before and the vibe was 
positive.. Both seem to get pretty consistent positive reviews online. 

Another pretty competitive loft that's more like a discount North is Shurr 
Sails http://www.schurrsails.com/default.asp  out of Pensacola Florida.  Their 
sails are quite popular on the lake here. The Main guy: Hunter Riddle has a 
really good reputation as a designer of innovative and fast sails.. Their 
cruising sails have a good reputation for solid build and reasonable price. 


Good Luck with it. 


-Francois Rivard
1990 34+ "Take Five"
Lake Lanier, GA




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Re: Stus-List New sails for my 38

[jtsails via CnC-List]

Rick,
All of the sails on my boat have been made by Scott Allen in Annapolis. Scott 
has been associated with several brands over the years, even going independent 
for a while, but all of my sails are UK’s. I love the 120% dacron jib they made 
for me last year. I’m not sure how old my 2+2 dacron main is, but it still 
shapes very nicely and is in very good condition. Also, I am very happy with my 
decision to down-size the jib to 120%, moves the boat very well and I never 
have to partially furl it or reef the main. You would be surprised how well the 
boat moves in a moderate breeze and the sail is much easier to handle when you 
are shorthanded (which I usually am). LP measurement is still 20’, so it is 500 
square feet, only 50 less than your 135%.
James
Delaney
C&C 38 mk2
Oriental, NC

From: Rick Brass via CnC-List 
Sent: Saturday, August 06, 2016 11:45 AM
To: Charlie Nelson ; cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Cc: Rick Brass 
Subject: Stus-List New sails for my 38

It’s time to replace the main and genoa on my 38 mk2 (and I actually have the 
money to do it).

 

I’m more of a cruiser than a racer any more. I only do about 4 charity races a 
year, and have been adding cruising gear to the boat for trips to the Bahamas 
(and Bermuda next June). So I guess I’m looking for durable sails that still 
give me good performance – but not a set of racing sails. 

 

My old main is a Neil Pryde main with 5 full battens and a Tides Marine Strong 
Track system that has given good service over more than 10 years. I’ve retired 
the carbon 155 genoa and am using a roller furling 135 headsail right now.

 

I’ve asked for a quote from the sailmaker I’ve used in the past (Omar Sails in 
New Bern, NC). Based on recent positive comments on the list I’ve also 
contacted Dirk Sharland at Rolly Tasker Sails in Florida. And because of my 
experience with the Neil Pryde main I’ve contacted their loft in Hampton, VA.

 

I’m looking for a good balance of performance, durability, and cost. Pretty 
much weighted in that order.

 

I’m open to suggestions about features I should look for, and other lofts from 
which I should request information and a quote.

 

Rick Brass

Imzadi  C&C 38 mk 2

la Belle Aurore C&C 25 mk1

Washington, NC

 




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Re: Stus-List New sails for my 38

[Frederick G Street via CnC-List]

Jean-Francois — a correction: Rolly Tasker is NOT “direct order from China".  
They use the same cloth (Challenger, Bainbridge, etc.) as virtually all other 
sailmakers; but their loft is in Phuket, Thailand.

— Fred

Fred Street -- Minneapolis
S/V Oceanis (1979 C&C Landfall 38) -- Bayfield, WI

(so far, a satisfied first-time Rolly Tasker customer)

> On Aug 6, 2016, at 11:15 AM, Jean-Francois J Rivard via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi Rick, 
> 
> If you are comfortable with Chinese sailcloth you might want to contact 
> IslandPlanet http://islandplanetsails.com/  
> Island is out of Florida and Peak Sails  www.peaksailsna.com 
>   and Peak is out of Virginia (Closer to you) 
> 
> They seem to be a good compromise between the direct order from china like 
> Rolly Tasker and the traditional loft.  It looks like they offer services 
> similar to a traditional loft but the cloth and sails do come from China with 
> associated discounts. I have talked to Island Planet before and the vibe was 
> positive.. Both seem to get pretty consistent positive reviews online. 
> 
> Another pretty competitive loft that's more like a discount North is Shurr 
> Sails http://www.schurrsails.com/default.asp 
>   out of Pensacola Florida.  Their 
> sails are quite popular on the lake here. The Main guy: Hunter Riddle has a 
> really good reputation as a designer of innovative and fast sails.. Their 
> cruising sails have a good reputation for solid build and reasonable price. 
> 
> 
> Good Luck with it. 
> 
> 
> -Francois Rivard
> 1990 34+ "Take Five"
> Lake Lanier, GA

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Re: Stus-List New Sails for my 38

[Dave Godwin via CnC-List]

I’ll second that recommendation. Although I haven’t bought any sails from them 
I will be when the boat is put back together. I’ve seen their product up close 
and in action, heard other recommendations and spoken with them.

Of course, by the time I need to purchase sails, most likely we’ll be using 
solar-powered sailboats…

Best,
Dave Godwin
1982 C&C 37 - Ronin
Reedville - Chesapeake Bay
Ronin’s Overdue Refit <http://roninrebuild.blogspot.com/>
> On Aug 6, 2016, at 12:09 PM, kelly petew via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> Try Ullman Sails in Deltaville.  Jerry or Justin can help you.  Good folks.
>  
> Pete W.
> Siren Song
> C&C 30-2
> Deltaville, Va.
>  
> Message: 7
> Date: Sat, 6 Aug 2016 11:45:34 -0400
> From: "Rick Brass" mailto:rickbr...@earthlink.net>>
> To: "Charlie Nelson" mailto:cenel...@aol.com>>,
> mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
> Subject: Stus-List New sails for my 38
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> 
> It's time to replace the main and genoa on my 38 mk2 (and I actually have
> the money to do it).
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Stus-List New sails for my 38

[Jean-Francois J Rivard via CnC-List]

Hi Rick, 

If you are comfortable with Chinese sailcloth you might want to contact 
IslandPlanet http://islandplanetsails.com/  Island is out of Florida and 
Peak Sails  www.peaksailsna.com   and Peak is out of Virginia (Closer to 
you) 

They seem to be a good compromise between the direct order from china like 
Rolly Tasker and the traditional loft.  It looks like they offer services 
similar to a traditional loft but the cloth and sails do come from China 
with associated discounts. I have talked to Island Planet before and the 
vibe was positive.. Both seem to get pretty consistent positive reviews 
online. 

Another pretty competitive loft that's more like a discount North is Shurr 
Sails http://www.schurrsails.com/default.asp   out of Pensacola Florida. 
Their sails are quite popular on the lake here. The Main guy: Hunter 
Riddle has a really good reputation as a designer of innovative and fast 
sails.. Their cruising sails have a good reputation for solid build and 
reasonable price. 


Good Luck with it. 


-Francois Rivard
1990 34+ "Take Five"
Lake Lanier, GA

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Stus-List New Sails for my 38

[kelly petew via CnC-List]

Try Ullman Sails in Deltaville.  Jerry or Justin can help you.  Good folks. 
Pete W.Siren SongC&C 30-2Deltaville, Va. Message: 7
Date: Sat, 6 Aug 2016 11:45:34 -0400
From: "Rick Brass" 
To: "Charlie Nelson" ,        
Subject: Stus-List New sails for my 38
Message-ID: <000a01d1eff9$91f89e60$b5e9db20$@earthlink.net>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

It's time to replace the main and genoa on my 38 mk2 (and I actually have
the money to do it).

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Stus-List New sails for my 38

[Rick Brass via CnC-List]

It's time to replace the main and genoa on my 38 mk2 (and I actually have
the money to do it).

 

I'm more of a cruiser than a racer any more. I only do about 4 charity races
a year, and have been adding cruising gear to the boat for trips to the
Bahamas (and Bermuda next June). So I guess I'm looking for durable sails
that still give me good performance - but not a set of racing sails. 

 

My old main is a Neil Pryde main with 5 full battens and a Tides Marine
Strong Track system that has given good service over more than 10 years.
I've retired the carbon 155 genoa and am using a roller furling 135 headsail
right now.

 

I've asked for a quote from the sailmaker I've used in the past (Omar Sails
in New Bern, NC). Based on recent positive comments on the list I've also
contacted Dirk Sharland at Rolly Tasker Sails in Florida. And because of my
experience with the Neil Pryde main I've contacted their loft in Hampton,
VA.

 

I'm looking for a good balance of performance, durability, and cost. Pretty
much weighted in that order.

 

I'm open to suggestions about features I should look for, and other lofts
from which I should request information and a quote.

 

Rick Brass

Imzadi  C&C 38 mk 2

la Belle Aurore C&C 25 mk1

Washington, NC

 

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Re: Stus-List New Sails TODAY!!!

[Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List]

Tom

I am envious!  My tape drive 150 is likely 12 years old and predates me by two 
previous owners.  It still has a nice shape although is starting to get 
brittle.  I can only imagine how nice it was when new.

You will love what new sails do to your boat

Mike
Persistence
Halifax


From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Tom 
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Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2015 2:31 PM
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Cc: Tom Buscaglia
Subject: Stus-List New Sails TODAY!!!

I'm so excited.  Stuart Dahlgren, from UK Sails NW, is driving down to Vashon 
from Sidney to deliver and fit my new Tape Drive Mail and Genoa.  He shipped 
them from Sidney to Blaine, to avoid BC tax and duty, clever man!

We stopped into his loft last summer on our way to the C&C Rendezvous to get a 
genoa repaid and left with an order for both sails.  A nice discount and the 
incredibly advantageous exchange rate closed the deal for us.  The free 
delivery was a bonus!

I'm torn about the wind...do I want light air to ease the installation or a 
nice breeze to test em out?

Either way, Ill try to get some pics to share.

Tom B


Tom Buscaglia
SV Alera
1990 C&C 37+/40
Vashon Island WA
(206) 463-9200
www.sv-alera.com
<http://www.sv-alera.com/>
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Re: Stus-List New Sails TODAY!!!

[Joel Aronson via CnC-List]

Tom,

congrats!  I've loved my Tape Drive main to death.  14 years for a laminate
sail, including 2 ocean races.  I hope you are as pleased with yours.

Joel

On Wed, Nov 11, 2015 at 1:30 PM, Tom Buscaglia via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> I'm so excited.  Stuart Dahlgren, from UK Sails NW, is driving down to
> Vashon from Sidney to deliver and fit my new Tape Drive Mail and Genoa.  He
> shipped them from Sidney to Blaine, to avoid BC tax and duty, clever man!
>
> We stopped into his loft last summer on our way to the C&C Rendezvous to
> get a genoa repaid and left with an order for both sails.  A nice discount
> and the incredibly advantageous exchange rate closed the deal for us.  The
> free delivery was a bonus!
>
> I'm torn about the wind...do I want light air to ease the installation or
> a nice breeze to test em out?
>
> Either way, Ill try to get some pics to share.
>
> Tom B
>
> Tom Buscaglia
> SV Alera
> 1990 C&C 37+/40
> Vashon Island WA
> (206) 463-9200
> www.sv-alera.com
>
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Stus-List New Sails TODAY!!!

[Tom Buscaglia via CnC-List]

I'm so excited.  Stuart Dahlgren, from UK Sails NW, is driving down 
to Vashon from Sidney to deliver and fit my new Tape Drive Mail and 
Genoa.  He shipped them from Sidney to Blaine, to avoid BC tax and 
duty, clever man!


We stopped into his loft last summer on our way to the C&C Rendezvous 
to get a genoa repaid and left with an order for both sails.  A nice 
discount and the incredibly advantageous exchange rate closed the 
deal for us.  The free delivery was a bonus!


I'm torn about the wind...do I want light air to ease the 
installation or a nice breeze to test em out?


Either way, Ill try to get some pics to share.

Tom B

Tom Buscaglia
SV Alera
1990 C&C 37+/40
Vashon Island WA
(206) 463-9200
www.sv-alera.com
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Re: Stus-List New Sails for Alera

[Tim Goodyear via CnC-List]

2001 I think Joel - it was on Mojito when I bought her 7 years ago.  That's a 
pretty good life for a main!

Tim

> On Aug 21, 2015, at 9:42 AM, Joel Aronson via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> I've been very happy with my Tape Drive main. Don't know how old it is.  Its 
> taken me to Bermuda and Newport.
> Sadly, it is reaching the end of its useful life.  That's no reflection on 
> the workmanship or materials.
> 
> Sounds like you made a smart choice!
> 
> Joel
> 35/3
> Annapolis
> 
>> On Fri, Aug 21, 2015 at 9:37 AM, Bill Hoyne via CnC-List 
>>  wrote:
>> I too have worked with Stuart and the gang at UK Sails. I had them make a 
>> sail lazy cradle and lazy jacks for me.  They also did some repairs on some 
>> older sails. The workmanship was very good! They were great to talk to and 
>> easy to deal with. I enjoy being able to drop by and ask questions and get 
>> good advice.
>> 
>> And they have a big ass racing boat :-)
>> 
>> Bill Hoyne
>> Mithrandir
>> ’74 C&C35 MkII
>> in Victoria,BC
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Aug 20, 2015, at 4:55 PM, Tom Buscaglia via CnC-List 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Listers
>>> 
>>> I know I should have asked you all before taking action and I am certain 
>>> that someone out there will have a better solution...that said, I am 
>>> pleased to announce that I pulled the trigger on new sails for Alera.  The 
>>> PO installed a Schaefer In Boom furler but went cheap on the mylar sails to 
>>> go with it.  They were ~15 years old and both sails have been in for 
>>> repairs every year for the past two years. The main was actually not made 
>>> correctly to the stringent Schaefer specs and the Genoa was to the point of 
>>> disintegration along the leech.  Aout four days into our annual three week 
>>> sailing trip, the leech detached from the Genoa (again).
>>> 
>>> We called ahead and pulled into the Van Isle marina in Sidney BC and right 
>>> up to the dock at UK sail loft to get the genny repaired.  They fixed it 
>>> and even gave us an overnight berth with power and everything.  I met Suart 
>>> Dahlgren, the owner. He had been the tech talk presenter at the C&C RDV a 
>>> few years ago and was familiar with the boat.   He is also very 
>>> knowledgeable.  What started as a discussion about possibly getting a new 
>>> Genoa ultimately turned into deal for both primary sails.
>>> 
>>> The Mainsail was never done right and at its end of life.  Of course, the 
>>> cost was a huge impediment to doing it.  But Stu gave a sweet 15% discount 
>>> of each sail and an additional 5% for getting both...but the real clincher 
>>> was the 0.75 USD to CAD exchange rate, which amounted to an additional 25%. 
>>>  Lynn and I talked it over, slept on it and were unanimous on going for it! 
>>> :D
>>> 
>>> Since I need thin sails to fit the boom when furled we went to a set of UK 
>>> Tape-Drive Cruising sales.  They're due for delivery in October.  I'll let 
>>> you all know if they are as good as I hope.
>>> 
>>> Tom B
>>> Tom Buscaglia
>>> SV Alera
>>> 1990 C&C 37+/40
>>> Vashon Island WA
>>> (206) 463-9200
>>> www.sv-alera.com
>>> 
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Re: Stus-List New Sails for Alera

[Russ & Melody via CnC-List]

Okay, but in the end who was correct? you the teen or Butch the waterlogged :)

Cheers, Russ
Sweet 35-1

At 07:32 AM 21/08/2015, you wrote:

Funny little story about Butch Ulmer...the "U" in "UK".

Many many moons ago, when I was 12, I stepped aboard a 1972 C & C 35 
(the owner went on to buy a 38 on which I crewed and then a 40, by 
which time I had moved on to girls, cars and beer) as a Foredeck Ape.


We had a full set of Ulmer Sails (the predecessor company to UK 
Sails) so naturally Butch was aboard a number of times to look over the sails.


Well one day he was opining on such and such and, I, in my most 
know-it-all-teenager-way said he was wrong.   And I kept insisting on it.


Finally Butch looks at me and says "Boy, I have squeezed more 
seawater outta my socks than you have been over..."


I shut up.


David F. Risch
(401) 419-4650 (cell)
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Re: Stus-List New Sails for Alera

[Bill Coleman via CnC-List]

Ha ha - 

Reminds me of Foghorn Leghorn.

 

https://www.pinterest.com/pin/292734044504512014/

 

 

 

Bill Coleman

C&C 39

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of David via
CnC-List
Sent: Friday, August 21, 2015 10:33 AM
To: CNC CNC
Cc: David
Subject: Re: Stus-List New Sails for Alera

 

Funny little story about Butch Ulmer...the "U" in "UK".

Many many moons ago, when I was 12, I stepped aboard a 1972 C & C 35 (the
owner went on to buy a 38 on which I crewed and then a 40, by which time I
had moved on to girls, cars and beer) as a Foredeck Ape.  

We had a full set of Ulmer Sails (the predecessor company to UK Sails) so
naturally Butch was aboard a number of times to look over the sails.

Well one day he was opining on such and such and, I, in my most
know-it-all-teenager-way said he was wrong.   And I kept insisting on it.

Finally Butch looks at me and says "Boy, I have squeezed more seawater outta
my socks than you have been over..."

I shut up.


David F. Risch
(401) 419-4650 (cell)



  _  

Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2015 09:42:17 -0400
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List New Sails for Alera
From: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
CC: joel.aron...@gmail.com

I've been very happy with my Tape Drive main. Don't know how old it is.  Its
taken me to Bermuda and Newport.

Sadly, it is reaching the end of its useful life.  That's no reflection on
the workmanship or materials.

 

Sounds like you made a smart choice!

 

Joel

35/3

Annapolis

 

On Fri, Aug 21, 2015 at 9:37 AM, Bill Hoyne via CnC-List
 wrote:

I too have worked with Stuart and the gang at UK Sails. I had them make a
sail lazy cradle and lazy jacks for me.  They also did some repairs on some
older sails. The workmanship was very good! They were great to talk to and
easy to deal with. I enjoy being able to drop by and ask questions and get
good advice.

 

And they have a big ass racing boat :-)

 

Bill Hoyne

Mithrandir

'74 C&C35 MkII

in Victoria,BC

 

 

 

On Aug 20, 2015, at 4:55 PM, Tom Buscaglia via CnC-List
 wrote:

 

Listers

I know I should have asked you all before taking action and I am certain
that someone out there will have a better solution...that said, I am pleased
to announce that I pulled the trigger on new sails for Alera.  The PO
installed a Schaefer In Boom furler but went cheap on the mylar sails to go
with it.  They were ~15 years old and both sails have been in for repairs
every year for the past two years. The main was actually not made correctly
to the stringent Schaefer specs and the Genoa was to the point of
disintegration along the leech.  Aout four days into our annual three week
sailing trip, the leech detached from the Genoa (again).

We called ahead and pulled into the Van Isle marina in Sidney BC and right
up to the dock at UK sail loft to get the genny repaired.  They fixed it and
even gave us an overnight berth with power and everything.  I met Suart
Dahlgren, the owner. He had been the tech talk presenter at the C&C RDV a
few years ago and was familiar with the boat.   He is also very
knowledgeable.  What started as a discussion about possibly getting a new
Genoa ultimately turned into deal for both primary sails.

The Mainsail was never done right and at its end of life.  Of course, the
cost was a huge impediment to doing it.  But Stu gave a sweet 15% discount
of each sail and an additional 5% for getting both...but the real clincher
was the 0.75 USD to CAD exchange rate, which amounted to an additional 25%.
Lynn and I talked it over, slept on it and were unanimous on going for it!
:D

Since I need thin sails to fit the boom when furled we went to a set of UK
Tape-Drive Cruising sales.  They're due for delivery in October.  I'll let
you all know if they are as good as I hope.

Tom B
Tom Buscaglia
SV Alera
1990 C&C 37+/40
Vashon Island WA
(206) 463-9200
www.sv-alera.com <http://www.sv-alera.com/> 


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Re: Stus-List New Sails for Alera

[David via CnC-List]

Funny little story about Butch Ulmer...the "U" in "UK".

Many many moons ago, when I was 12, I stepped aboard a 1972 C & C 35 (the owner 
went on to buy a 38 on which I crewed and then a 40, by which time I had moved 
on to girls, cars and beer) as a Foredeck Ape.  

We had a full set of Ulmer Sails (the predecessor company to UK Sails) so 
naturally Butch was aboard a number of times to look over the sails.

Well one day he was opining on such and such and, I, in my most 
know-it-all-teenager-way said he was wrong.   And I kept insisting on it.

Finally Butch looks at me and says "Boy, I have squeezed more seawater outta my 
socks than you have been over..."

I shut up.


David F. Risch
(401) 419-4650 (cell)


Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2015 09:42:17 -0400
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List New Sails for Alera
From: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
CC: joel.aron...@gmail.com

I've been very happy with my Tape Drive main. Don't know how old it is.  Its 
taken me to Bermuda and Newport.Sadly, it is reaching the end of its useful 
life.  That's no reflection on the workmanship or materials.
Sounds like you made a smart choice!
Joel35/3Annapolis
On Fri, Aug 21, 2015 at 9:37 AM, Bill Hoyne via CnC-List 
 wrote:
I too have worked with Stuart and the gang at UK Sails. I had them make a sail 
lazy cradle and lazy jacks for me.  They also did some repairs on some older 
sails. The workmanship was very good! They were great to talk to and easy to 
deal with. I enjoy being able to drop by and ask questions and get good advice.
And they have a big ass racing boat :-)
Bill HoyneMithrandir’74 C&C35 MkIIin Victoria,BC


On Aug 20, 2015, at 4:55 PM, Tom Buscaglia via CnC-List  
wrote:


Listers


I know I should have asked you all before taking action and I am certain
that someone out there will have a better solution...that said, I am
pleased to announce that I pulled the trigger on new sails for
Alera.  The PO installed a Schaefer In Boom furler but went cheap on
the mylar sails to go with it.  They were ~15 years old and both
sails have been in for repairs every year for the past two years. The
main was actually not made correctly to the stringent Schaefer specs and
the Genoa was to the point of disintegration along the leech.  Aout
four days into our annual three week sailing trip, the leech detached
from the Genoa (again).


We called ahead and pulled into the Van Isle marina in Sidney BC and
right up to the dock at UK sail loft to get the genny repaired. 
They fixed it and even gave us an overnight berth with power and
everything.  I met Suart Dahlgren, the owner. He had been the tech
talk presenter at the C&C RDV a few years ago and was familiar with
the boat.   He is also very knowledgeable.  What started
as a discussion about possibly getting a new Genoa ultimately turned into
deal for both primary sails.


The Mainsail was never done right and at its end of life.  Of
course, the cost was a huge impediment to doing it.  But Stu gave a
sweet 15% discount of each sail and an additional 5% for getting
both...but the real clincher was the 0.75 USD to CAD exchange rate, which
amounted to an additional 25%.  Lynn and I talked it over, slept on
it and were unanimous on going for it! :D


Since I need thin sails to fit the boom when furled we went to a set of
UK Tape-Drive Cruising sales.  They're due for delivery in
October.  I'll let you all know if they are as good as I
hope.


Tom B


Tom Buscaglia

SV Alera

1990 C&C 37+/40

Vashon Island WA

(206) 463-9200

www.sv-alera.com




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Re: Stus-List New Sails for Alera

[Joel Aronson via CnC-List]

Bill,

Beats me how old.  It came from another 35/3 owner on the list.  I've put
3,000 miles on it the last 2 seasons, and it shows.
Shape has not changed, but the luff is worn/has small holes.  I had repairs
done last year.  No delamination luckily.

The sail is fine on the Bay, but I would not go offshore with it.  In my
very limited experience, when laminate sails fail, they fail completely.

Joel
35/3
Annapolis

On Fri, Aug 21, 2015 at 10:13 AM, Bill Coleman via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> How Old?
>
> Still have its original shape?
>
>
>
>
>
> Bill Coleman
>
> C&C 39  Erie, PA
>
> *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *Joel
> Aronson via CnC-List
> *Sent:* Friday, August 21, 2015 9:42 AM
> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> *Cc:* Joel Aronson
> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List New Sails for Alera
>
>
>
> I've been very happy with my Tape Drive main. Don't know how old it is.
> Its taken me to Bermuda and Newport.
>
> Sadly, it is reaching the end of its useful life.  That's no reflection on
> the workmanship or materials.
>
>
>
> Sounds like you made a smart choice!
>
>
>
> Joel
>
> 35/3
>
> Annapolis
>
>
>
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Re: Stus-List New Sails for Alera

[Bill Coleman via CnC-List]

How Old?

Still have its original shape?

 

 

Bill Coleman

C&C 39  Erie, PA

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Sent: Friday, August 21, 2015 9:42 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Joel Aronson
Subject: Re: Stus-List New Sails for Alera

 

I've been very happy with my Tape Drive main. Don't know how old it is.  Its 
taken me to Bermuda and Newport.

Sadly, it is reaching the end of its useful life.  That's no reflection on the 
workmanship or materials.

 

Sounds like you made a smart choice!

 

Joel

35/3

Annapolis

 

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Re: Stus-List New Sails for Alera

[Joel Aronson via CnC-List]

I've been very happy with my Tape Drive main. Don't know how old it is.
Its taken me to Bermuda and Newport.
Sadly, it is reaching the end of its useful life.  That's no reflection on
the workmanship or materials.

Sounds like you made a smart choice!

Joel
35/3
Annapolis

On Fri, Aug 21, 2015 at 9:37 AM, Bill Hoyne via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> I too have worked with Stuart and the gang at UK Sails. I had them make a
> sail lazy cradle and lazy jacks for me.  They also did some repairs on some
> older sails. The workmanship was very good! They were great to talk to and
> easy to deal with. I enjoy being able to drop by and ask questions and get
> good advice.
>
> And they have a big ass racing boat :-)
>
> *Bill Hoyne*
> Mithrandir
> ’74 C&C35 MkII
> in Victoria,BC
>
>
>
> On Aug 20, 2015, at 4:55 PM, Tom Buscaglia via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> Listers
>
> I know I should have asked you all before taking action and I am certain
> that someone out there will have a better solution...that said, I am
> pleased to announce that I pulled the trigger on new sails for Alera.  The
> PO installed a Schaefer In Boom furler but went cheap on the mylar sails to
> go with it.  They were ~15 years old and both sails have been in for
> repairs every year for the past two years. The main was actually not made
> correctly to the stringent Schaefer specs and the Genoa was to the point of
> disintegration along the leech.  Aout four days into our annual three week
> sailing trip, the leech detached from the Genoa (again).
>
> We called ahead and pulled into the Van Isle marina in Sidney BC and right
> up to the dock at UK sail loft to get the genny repaired.  They fixed it
> and even gave us an overnight berth with power and everything.  I met Suart
> Dahlgren, the owner. He had been the tech talk presenter at the C&C RDV a
> few years ago and was familiar with the boat.   He is also very
> knowledgeable.  What started as a discussion about possibly getting a new
> Genoa ultimately turned into deal for both primary sails.
>
> The Mainsail was never done right and at its end of life.  Of course, the
> cost was a huge impediment to doing it.  But Stu gave a sweet 15% discount
> of each sail and an additional 5% for getting both...but the real clincher
> was the 0.75 USD to CAD exchange rate, which amounted to an additional
> 25%.  Lynn and I talked it over, slept on it and were unanimous on going
> for it! :D
>
> Since I need thin sails to fit the boom when furled we went to a set of UK
> Tape-Drive Cruising sales.  They're due for delivery in October.  I'll let
> you all know if they are as good as I hope.
>
> Tom B
>
> Tom Buscaglia
> SV Alera
> 1990 C&C 37+/40
> Vashon Island WA
> (206) 463-9200
> www.sv-alera.com
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Re: Stus-List New Sails for Alera

[Bill Hoyne via CnC-List]

I too have worked with Stuart and the gang at UK Sails. I had them make a sail 
lazy cradle and lazy jacks for me.  They also did some repairs on some older 
sails. The workmanship was very good! They were great to talk to and easy to 
deal with. I enjoy being able to drop by and ask questions and get good advice.

And they have a big ass racing boat :-)

Bill Hoyne
Mithrandir
’74 C&C35 MkII
in Victoria,BC



> On Aug 20, 2015, at 4:55 PM, Tom Buscaglia via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> Listers
> 
> I know I should have asked you all before taking action and I am certain that 
> someone out there will have a better solution...that said, I am pleased to 
> announce that I pulled the trigger on new sails for Alera.  The PO installed 
> a Schaefer In Boom furler but went cheap on the mylar sails to go with it.  
> They were ~15 years old and both sails have been in for repairs every year 
> for the past two years. The main was actually not made correctly to the 
> stringent Schaefer specs and the Genoa was to the point of disintegration 
> along the leech.  Aout four days into our annual three week sailing trip, the 
> leech detached from the Genoa (again).
> 
> We called ahead and pulled into the Van Isle marina in Sidney BC and right up 
> to the dock at UK sail loft to get the genny repaired.  They fixed it and 
> even gave us an overnight berth with power and everything.  I met Suart 
> Dahlgren, the owner. He had been the tech talk presenter at the C&C RDV a few 
> years ago and was familiar with the boat.   He is also very knowledgeable.  
> What started as a discussion about possibly getting a new Genoa ultimately 
> turned into deal for both primary sails.
> 
> The Mainsail was never done right and at its end of life.  Of course, the 
> cost was a huge impediment to doing it.  But Stu gave a sweet 15% discount of 
> each sail and an additional 5% for getting both...but the real clincher was 
> the 0.75 USD to CAD exchange rate, which amounted to an additional 25%.  Lynn 
> and I talked it over, slept on it and were unanimous on going for it! :D
> 
> Since I need thin sails to fit the boom when furled we went to a set of UK 
> Tape-Drive Cruising sales.  They're due for delivery in October.  I'll let 
> you all know if they are as good as I hope.
> 
> Tom B
> Tom Buscaglia
> SV Alera
> 1990 C&C 37+/40
> Vashon Island WA
> (206) 463-9200
> www.sv-alera.com
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Stus-List New Sails for Alera

[Tom Buscaglia via CnC-List]

John

Aside from the ongoing problems with the incorrectly constructed 
mainsail, it's very nice.  We are cruisers and pretty much only go 
out with two on board, myself and my wife Lynn.  She is not yet 
comfortable at the helm (I'm working on that).  So, the in boom 
furling and accompanying electric winch saves her a lot of problems 
and keeps her in the cockpit. .  The PO left a lot of weird stuff, 
but the boom and winch were not among them.


The down sides are a rigid vang, and no out haul, both of which limit 
the amount of mainsail tuning.  But there are ways that I am learning 
but using the baby stay and the combination of the halyard and 
furler...it's a learning process at this point.  It sure does furl 
easy!  Just crank it down to any batten and you're done!


I am really looking forward to the new main to see what a difference 
that makes.  These are the first new sails I have ever had...so, I am 
for sure stoked!


Tom B

At 04:01 PM 8/20/2015, you wrote:

Message: 11
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2015 19:01:17 -0400
From: John Pennie 
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List New Sails for Alera
Message-ID: <015af41c-84f7-42a5-8899-e54feee27...@svpaws.net>
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Congrats - lots of luck. new sails are always fun.  Tape drive is nice stuff.

How do you like the Schaefer boom?  I?ve used the forespar variant 
but never had an opportunity to play with the Schaefer.


John

> On Aug 20, 2015, at 6:55 PM, Tom Buscaglia via CnC-List 
 wrote:


Tom Buscaglia
SV Alera
1990 C&C 37+/40
Vashon Island WA
(206) 463-9200
www.sv-alera.com
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Re: Stus-List New Sails for Alera

[John Pennie via CnC-List]

Congrats - lots of luck. new sails are always fun.  Tape drive is nice stuff.

How do you like the Schaefer boom?  I’ve used the forespar variant but never 
had an opportunity to play with the Schaefer.

John

> On Aug 20, 2015, at 6:55 PM, Tom Buscaglia via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> Listers
> 
> I know I should have asked you all before taking action and I am certain that 
> someone out there will have a better solution...that said, I am pleased to 
> announce that I pulled the trigger on new sails for Alera.  The PO installed 
> a Schaefer In Boom furler but went cheap on the mylar sails to go with it.  
> They were ~15 years old and both sails have been in for repairs every year 
> for the past two years. The main was actually not made correctly to the 
> stringent Schaefer specs and the Genoa was to the point of disintegration 
> along the leech.  Aout four days into our annual three week sailing trip, the 
> leech detached from the Genoa (again).
> 
> We called ahead and pulled into the Van Isle marina in Sidney BC and right up 
> to the dock at UK sail loft to get the genny repaired.  They fixed it and 
> even gave us an overnight berth with power and everything.  I met Suart 
> Dahlgren, the owner. He had been the tech talk presenter at the C&C RDV a few 
> years ago and was familiar with the boat.   He is also very knowledgeable.  
> What started as a discussion about possibly getting a new Genoa ultimately 
> turned into deal for both primary sails.
> 
> The Mainsail was never done right and at its end of life.  Of course, the 
> cost was a huge impediment to doing it.  But Stu gave a sweet 15% discount of 
> each sail and an additional 5% for getting both...but the real clincher was 
> the 0.75 USD to CAD exchange rate, which amounted to an additional 25%.  Lynn 
> and I talked it over, slept on it and were unanimous on going for it! :D
> 
> Since I need thin sails to fit the boom when furled we went to a set of UK 
> Tape-Drive Cruising sales.  They're due for delivery in October.  I'll let 
> you all know if they are as good as I hope.
> 
> Tom B
> Tom Buscaglia
> SV Alera
> 1990 C&C 37+/40
> Vashon Island WA
> (206) 463-9200
> www.sv-alera.com
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Stus-List New Sails for Alera

[Tom Buscaglia via CnC-List]

Listers

I know I should have asked you all before taking action and I am 
certain that someone out there will have a better solution...that 
said, I am pleased to announce that I pulled the trigger on new sails 
for Alera.  The PO installed a Schaefer In Boom furler but went cheap 
on the mylar sails to go with it.  They were ~15 years old and both 
sails have been in for repairs every year for the past two years. The 
main was actually not made correctly to the stringent Schaefer specs 
and the Genoa was to the point of disintegration along the 
leech.  Aout four days into our annual three week sailing trip, the 
leech detached from the Genoa (again).


We called ahead and pulled into the Van Isle marina in Sidney BC and 
right up to the dock at UK sail loft to get the genny repaired.  They 
fixed it and even gave us an overnight berth with power and 
everything.  I met Suart Dahlgren, the owner. He had been the tech 
talk presenter at the C&C RDV a few years ago and was familiar with 
the boat.   He is also very knowledgeable.  What started as a 
discussion about possibly getting a new Genoa ultimately turned into 
deal for both primary sails.


The Mainsail was never done right and at its end of life.  Of course, 
the cost was a huge impediment to doing it.  But Stu gave a sweet 15% 
discount of each sail and an additional 5% for getting both...but the 
real clincher was the 0.75 USD to CAD exchange rate, which amounted 
to an additional 25%.  Lynn and I talked it over, slept on it and 
were unanimous on going for it! :D


Since I need thin sails to fit the boom when furled we went to a set 
of UK Tape-Drive Cruising sales.  They're due for delivery in 
October.  I'll let you all know if they are as good as I hope.


Tom B

Tom Buscaglia
SV Alera
1990 C&C 37+/40
Vashon Island WA
(206) 463-9200
www.sv-alera.com
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Re: Stus-List New Sails

[Chuck S]

FWIW, My North rep suggested October for the best deal. 


Chuck 
Resolute 
1990 C&C 34R 
Atlantic City, NJ 
- Original Message -
From: "sam c salter"  
To: "CnC"  
Sent: Sunday, August 11, 2013 12:46:36 PM 
Subject: Stus-List New Sails 


‎If anyone is considering new sails, now- August - is the best time to buy. 
I just ordered a new kevlar 135 from Evolution Sails in Toronto. Ordered it 
Friday, they are starting construction Tuesday, should have it by next week. 
20% off. 
They are sitting around twiddling their thumbs right now - nothing to do. They 
tell me there are better deals now than at the boat shows. 


Sam_Salter 
C&C 26 Liquorice 
Ghost Lake Alberta 
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[sam . c . salter]

 ‎If anyone is considering new sails, now- August - is the best time to buy. I just ordered a new kevlar 135 from Evolution Sails in Toronto. Ordered it Friday, they are starting construction Tuesday, should have it by next week. 20% off.They are sitting around twiddling their thumbs right now - nothing to do. They tell me there are better deals now than at the boat shows.Sam_Salter C&C 26 Liquorice Ghost Lake Alberta 

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Re: Stus-List New Sails

[James Reinardy]

I am looking forward to using my new genoa made from the Flex material.
Based on an earlier thread in this list, I went to Haarstick as well.   As
Sylvain describes, the cross cut construction methods used make it a great
cost effective option for higher end sails.  I found the price right in the
middle between Dacron and a North cruising laminate molded sail.  I do plan
on racing with it, replacing some aging UK Tape Drives that came with the
boat.  I dealt with Steve Haarstick himself, who spent a great deal of time
with us on the phone going over options and explaining his philosophy.   He
helped me overcome my hesitation with dealing with a loft halfway across the
country.  So far, I recommend the service, the sail is in the basement now
ready for hoisting once the snow clears around here.

 

Jim Reinardy   

C&C 30 Mk II "Firewater"

Milwaukee, WI

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Sylvain
Laplante
Sent: Monday, February 25, 2013 1:12 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List New Sails

 

 

Getting new sails is a great moment in life!  :-)

 

I ordered a main and genoa from Haarstick this winter, first I asked for
pentex but Doug Burtner told me they don't offer pentex anymore ( They made
my Pentex 100% jib last year ).

 

You may want to check for FlexP, made by Dimension-Polyant, it's
multi-directional fiber make it unnecessary to cut a sail in tri-radial
fashion so they build it cross-cut and the saving made because of that make
it interesting for a high-end cruising laminate. They do win several races
though, and they tested the new material for 2 years. 

 

Sylvain

C&C27MkIII

  _  

From: Ryan Raber 
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2013 4:42 PM
Subject: Stus-List New Sails

 

FYI: new sail for Scapa last summer:

all radial cut:

New Main: Pentex, PX/PE 15/20, Leech Line Sail Numbers, Tell Tales, 3 Sail
Ties, Sail Bag, 1 Reef, Batten Full Length or Standard, Sail Numbers.
$4,515.00 or Carbon, GPL 10/14 $5,765.00

 

120% Genoa (RF): 1) Pentex- PX/PE 10/15, Leech and Foot Lines, Spreader
Patches, Sail Numbers, Tell Tales, 3 Sail Ties, Sail Bag. $3,370.00. OR
Carbon- GPL 05/10- $4,621.00

 

130% Genoa (RF): 1) Pentex- PX/PE 10/15, same as above. $3,509.00. OR
Carbon- GPL 05/10- $4,861.00

 

155% Genoa: 1) Pentex- PX/PE 10/15- same as above $3,897.00. OR Carbon- GPL
05/10- $5,532.00

 

120%- LP 17.79 (432sqft). 130%- LP 19.27 (468sqft) 155% LP 22.98 (559sqft)

 

I got a big runner to but can not find the invoice, If any ones interested
let me know and I will dig it up.  Very happy with the sails there from
Hallet S&C in Falmouth, Maine.  All the guys with silver up hear use him.

 

Ryan Raber

Scapa C&C 34r



 

 


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Re: Stus-List New Sails

[Sylvain Laplante]

Getting new sails is a great moment in life!  :-)

I ordered a main and genoa from Haarstick this winter, first I asked for pentex 
but Doug Burtner told me they don't offer pentex anymore ( They made my Pentex 
100% jib last year ).

You may want to check for FlexP, made by Dimension-Polyant, it's 
multi-directional fiber make it unnecessary to cut a sail in tri-radial fashion 
so they build it cross-cut and the saving made because of that make it 
interesting for a high-end cruising laminate. They do win several races though, 
and they tested the new material for 2 years. 


Sylvain
C&C27MkIII



 From: Ryan Raber 
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2013 4:42 PM
Subject: Stus-List New Sails
 

FYI: new sail for Scapa last summer:
all radial cut:

New Main: Pentex, PX/PE 15/20, Leech Line Sail Numbers, Tell Tales, 3 Sail 
Ties, Sail Bag, 1 Reef, Batten Full Length or Standard, Sail Numbers. $4,515.00 
or Carbon, GPL 10/14 $5,765.00


120% Genoa (RF): 1) Pentex- PX/PE 10/15, Leech and Foot Lines, Spreader 
Patches, Sail Numbers, Tell Tales, 3 Sail Ties, Sail Bag. $3,370.00. OR Carbon- 
GPL 05/10- $4,621.00

130% Genoa (RF): 1) Pentex- PX/PE 10/15, same as above. $3,509.00. OR Carbon- 
GPL 05/10- $4,861.00

155% Genoa: 1) Pentex- PX/PE 10/15- same as above $3,897.00. OR Carbon- GPL 
05/10- $5,532.00

120%- LP 17.79 (432sqft). 130%- LP 19.27 (468sqft) 155% LP 22.98 (559sqft)

I got a big runner to but can not find the invoice, If any ones interested let 
me know and I will dig it up.  Very happy with the sails there from Hallet S&C 
in Falmouth, Maine.  All the guys with silver up hear use him.

Ryan Raber
Scapa C&C 34r
    


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Re: Stus-List new sails

[Gary Nylander]

As most of you have, I went through this a couple of years ago. After having a 
3DL with taffeta on one side (one of the early ones built that way) which 
delaminated into a pile of strings (really cute!), I asked around to many of 
the lofts in Maryland. Finally decided on a new dacron main and 155 genoa. We 
race in mostly light air, so the genoa is good to about 15-18 apparent, then it 
just heels the boat over too much. The ex-admiral and her crew won our 
Wednesday night B class that year. 

The sails now have 2 years on them and she is still the fastest "racer-cruiser" 
for most races (depends on crew). Only gets beat by a couple of lightweights.

And, the sails still look good - and the sailmaker says if they get baggy, we 
can trim them back to shape for a lot less than a new sail - couldn't do that 
with the laminates.and they were quite a bit less money. We can race and 
cruise them for a couple more years and then maybe trim them or replace them 
and still be ahead financially. To be honest, I don't cruise with the 155, it 
is just too big - blocks the view. The sailmakers opinion (a few of them) is 
that a laminate will stay in shape until it fails - completely, while a dacron 
will slowly decrease in shape over time.

Just my opinion - the new dacrons are pretty good.

Gary Nylander
30-1 
St. Michaels MD


  - Original Message - 
  From: Chuck S 
  To: cnc-list CNC boat owners 
  Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2013 1:04 PM
  Subject: Stus-List new sails


  Hi Edd,
  Why not ask for a price from UK?  They must be your closest sailmaker and 
repairs should be less on their own sails?  

  All of Resolute's racing sails are UK sails, Kevlar Edge, from 1997 and 1998, 
but have some life left in them since they were used only two seasons by the PO 
and haven't raced.  We did use the main for three seasons and it died a nasty 
death last fall, when a whole upper panel delaminated.   

  I intend to buy a top quality dacron main, for all around use.
  I'll use a roller furled 144% genoa, and save the bigger 155% genoas for 
racing when fully crewed.   

  North is closest to me and quoted some new sails.  Their salesman convinced 
me to go up a notch for Radian since it will hold it's shape better and last 
longer than crosscut.  Another lister recommends going up another notch in 
price to Norlam, a laminated sail.  I'm not sure what's the best sail for me.  
I got numbers from UK and will ask Quantum and Doyle.


  Chuck
  Resolute
  1990 C&C 34R
  Atlantic City, NJ



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Stus-List New Sails

[Ryan Raber]

FYI: new sail for Scapa last summer:
all radial cut:
New Main: Pentex, PX/PE 15/20, Leech Line Sail Numbers, Tell Tales, 3 Sail 
Ties, Sail Bag, 1 Reef, Batten Full Length or Standard, Sail Numbers. $4,515.00 
or Carbon, GPL 10/14 $5,765.00

120% Genoa (RF): 1) Pentex- PX/PE 10/15, Leech and Foot Lines, Spreader 
Patches, Sail Numbers, Tell Tales, 3 Sail Ties, Sail Bag. $3,370.00. OR Carbon- 
GPL 05/10- $4,621.00

130% Genoa (RF): 1) Pentex- PX/PE 10/15, same as above. $3,509.00. OR Carbon- 
GPL 05/10- $4,861.00

155% Genoa: 1) Pentex- PX/PE 10/15- same as above $3,897.00. OR Carbon- GPL 
05/10- $5,532.00

120%- LP 17.79 (432sqft). 130%- LP 19.27 (468sqft) 155% LP 22.98 (559sqft)

I got a big runner to but can not find the invoice, If any ones interested let 
me know and I will dig it up.  Very happy with the sails there from Hallet S&C 
in Falmouth, Maine.  All the guys with silver up hear use him.

Ryan Raber
Scapa C&C 34r



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[Chuck S]

Hi Edd, 
Why not ask for a price from UK? They must be your closest sailmaker and 
repairs should be less on their own sails? 

All of Resolute's racing sails are UK sails, Kevlar Edge, from 1997 and 1998, 
but have some life left in them since they were used only two seasons by the PO 
and haven't raced. We did use the main for three seasons and it died a nasty 
death last fall, when a whole upper panel delaminated. 

I intend to buy a top quality dacron main, for all around use. 
I'll use a roller furled 144% genoa, and save the bigger 155% genoas for racing 
when fully crewed. 

North is closest to me and quoted some new sails. Their salesman convinced me 
to go up a notch for Radian since it will hold it's shape better and last 
longer than crosscut. Another lister recommends going up another notch in price 
to Norlam, a laminated sail. I'm not sure what's the best sail for me. I got 
numbers from UK and will ask Quantum and Doyle. 


Chuck 
Resolute 
1990 C&C 34R 
Atlantic City, NJ 
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