Stus-List Re: Furler question

[Dave S via CnC-List]

Induced drag?

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> On Jan 29, 2021, at 1:51 PM, Joel Aronson via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> Bill,
> 
> End plate effect.
> 
> Dennis had to remind me!
> 
> Joel
> 
>> On Fri, Jan 29, 2021 at 1:32 PM Bill Coleman via CnC-List 
>>  wrote:
>> I put Dyneema lashing on the tack to bring my head up to a decent angle.
>> 
>> My ‘Sweet Spot’, is determined by how much of the Halyard splice goes into 
>> the mast, last summer we couldn’t get the darn jib down, and had to go up 
>> the mast to discover it was jammed!
>> 
>> One advantage is the skirting is easier, if even needed. The disadvantage is 
>> you lose that benefit of the deck sweep where the wind goes under the foot, 
>> I forget the term, maybe drag or something.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Bill Coleman
>> 
>> Entrada, Erie, PA
>> 
>>  
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> From: Charlie Nelson via CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com] 
>> Sent: Friday, January 29, 2021 10:53 AM
>> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
>> Cc: cenel...@aol.com
>> Subject: Stus-List Re: Furler question
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> The perfect solution to the problem Joe!
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Depending on the difference between 'too high and too low', finding the 
>> sweet spot could be a chore and would likely require different shackle 
>> lengths at the deck level for different sails. 
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> A proper restrainer allows more 'slop' in the effective luff length without 
>> chewing up the halyard/sheave and prevents the wrapping problem. Perhaps not 
>> the perfect solution but a good one that works--keeping in mind the adage to 
>> '...not let the perfect be the enemy of the good..!'
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> YMMV
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Charlie Nelson
>> 
>> Water Phantom
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List 
>> To: Stus-List 
>> Cc: Della Barba, Joe 
>> Sent: Fri, Jan 29, 2021 8:35 am
>> Subject: Stus-List Re: Furler question
>> 
>> What I discovered was the overall position of the halyard and top swivel was 
>> critical. Assuming you have a full hoist sail and no retainer, you need to 
>> adjust the shackle length at deck level to get the halyard as far up as you 
>> can without running the nicropress into the sheave. Too high and it chews up 
>> the halyard and sheave and/or you can’t get correct tension, too low and it 
>> wraps.
>> 
>> Joe
>> 
>> Coquina
>> 
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>> Stu
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> 
> -- 
> Joel 
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Stus-List Re: Furler question

[Joel Aronson via CnC-List]

Bill,

End plate effect.

Dennis had to remind me!

Joel

On Fri, Jan 29, 2021 at 1:32 PM Bill Coleman via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> I put Dyneema lashing on the tack to bring my head up to a decent angle.
>
> My ‘Sweet Spot’, is determined by how much of the Halyard splice goes into
> the mast, last summer we couldn’t get the darn jib down, and had to go up
> the mast to discover it was jammed!
>
> One advantage is the skirting is easier, if even needed. The disadvantage
> is you lose that benefit of the deck sweep where the wind goes under the
> foot, I forget the term, maybe drag or something.
>
>
>
>
>
> Bill Coleman
>
> Entrada, Erie, PA
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Charlie Nelson via CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com]
> *Sent:* Friday, January 29, 2021 10:53 AM
> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> *Cc:* cenel...@aol.com
> *Subject:* Stus-List Re: Furler question
>
>
>
> The perfect solution to the problem Joe!
>
>
>
> Depending on the difference between 'too high and too low', finding the
> sweet spot could be a chore and would likely require different shackle
> lengths at the deck level for different sails.
>
>
>
> A proper restrainer allows more 'slop' in the effective luff length
> without chewing up the halyard/sheave and prevents the wrapping problem.
> Perhaps not the perfect solution but a good one that works--keeping in mind
> the adage to '...not let the perfect be the enemy of the good..!'
>
>
>
> YMMV
>
>
>
> Charlie Nelson
>
> Water Phantom
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List 
> To: Stus-List 
> Cc: Della Barba, Joe 
> Sent: Fri, Jan 29, 2021 8:35 am
> Subject: Stus-List Re: Furler question
>
> What I discovered was the overall position of the halyard and top swivel
> was critical. Assuming you have a full hoist sail and no retainer, you need
> to adjust the shackle length at deck level to get the halyard as far up as
> you can without running the nicropress into the sheave. Too high and it
> chews up the halyard and sheave and/or you can’t get correct tension, too
> low and it wraps.
>
> Joe
>
> Coquina
>
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> PayPal to send contribution --  https://www.paypal.me/stumurray Thanks -
> Stu
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Stus-List Re: Furler question

[Bill Coleman via CnC-List]

I put Dyneema lashing on the tack to bring my head up to a decent angle.

My ‘Sweet Spot’, is determined by how much of the Halyard splice goes into the 
mast, last summer we couldn’t get the darn jib down, and had to go up the mast 
to discover it was jammed!

One advantage is the skirting is easier, if even needed. The disadvantage is 
you lose that benefit of the deck sweep where the wind goes under the foot, I 
forget the term, maybe drag or something.

 

 

Bill Coleman

Entrada, Erie, PA

 

 

From: Charlie Nelson via CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com] 
Sent: Friday, January 29, 2021 10:53 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: cenel...@aol.com
Subject: Stus-List Re: Furler question

 

The perfect solution to the problem Joe! 

 

Depending on the difference between 'too high and too low', finding the sweet 
spot could be a chore and would likely require different shackle lengths at the 
deck level for different sails. 

 

A proper restrainer allows more 'slop' in the effective luff length without 
chewing up the halyard/sheave and prevents the wrapping problem. Perhaps not 
the perfect solution but a good one that works--keeping in mind the adage to 
'...not let the perfect be the enemy of the good..!'

 

YMMV

 

Charlie Nelson

Water Phantom



-Original Message-
From: Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List 
To: Stus-List 
Cc: Della Barba, Joe 
Sent: Fri, Jan 29, 2021 8:35 am
Subject: Stus-List Re: Furler question

What I discovered was the overall position of the halyard and top swivel was 
critical. Assuming you have a full hoist sail and no retainer, you need to 
adjust the shackle length at deck level to get the halyard as far up as you can 
without running the nicropress into the sheave. Too high and it chews up the 
halyard and sheave and/or you can’t get correct tension, too low and it wraps.

Joe

Coquina

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Stus-List Re: Furler question

[Joel Aronson via CnC-List]

Dacron seems to last forever if it is clean dry and out of the sun.  My #1
is from around 1990 and looks like new.  I've used it twice.  PO might have
used it occasionally.

Joel

On Fri, Jan 29, 2021 at 11:04 AM Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> I really only have one furling full hoist sail, so it wasn’t that bad. My
> genoas are deck sweepers and need the furling drum removed and the jib and
> storm jib are not even close to full hoist.
>
> Speaking of, the jib dates to 1973 and the storm jib to 1979. I don’t
> think either one has been out of their bags in this century!
>
> How long do sails last anyway? Maybe they’ll fall apart if used. I don’t
> think the storm jib has more than 1,000 miles total use ever, but its old.
> The old working jib got used plenty back in the day. The last time I had
> that one up was around 1990 in about 50-60 knots running dead downwind.
> That was a fun day 
>
> Joe
>
> Coquina
>
>
>
> *From:* Charlie Nelson via CnC-List 
> *Sent:* Friday, January 29, 2021 10:53 AM
> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> *Cc:* cenel...@aol.com
> *Subject:* [EXTERNAL] Stus-List Re: Furler question
>
>
>
> The perfect solution to the problem Joe!
>
>
>
> Depending on the difference between 'too high and too low', finding the
> sweet spot could be a chore and would likely require different shackle
> lengths at the deck level for different sails.
>
>
>
> A proper restrainer allows more 'slop' in the effective luff length
> without chewing up the halyard/sheave and prevents the wrapping problem.
> Perhaps not the perfect solution but a good one that works--keeping in mind
> the adage to '...not let the perfect be the enemy of the good..!'
>
>
>
> YMMV
>
>
>
> Charlie Nelson
>
> Water Phantom
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List 
> To: Stus-List 
> Cc: Della Barba, Joe 
> Sent: Fri, Jan 29, 2021 8:35 am
> Subject: Stus-List Re: Furler question
>
> What I discovered was the overall position of the halyard and top swivel
> was critical. Assuming you have a full hoist sail and no retainer, you need
> to adjust the shackle length at deck level to get the halyard as far up as
> you can without running the nicropress into the sheave. Too high and it
> chews up the halyard and sheave and/or you can’t get correct tension, too
> low and it wraps.
>
> Joe
>
> Coquina
>
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[Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List]

I really only have one furling full hoist sail, so it wasn’t that bad. My 
genoas are deck sweepers and need the furling drum removed and the jib and 
storm jib are not even close to full hoist.
Speaking of, the jib dates to 1973 and the storm jib to 1979. I don’t think 
either one has been out of their bags in this century!
How long do sails last anyway? Maybe they’ll fall apart if used. I don’t think 
the storm jib has more than 1,000 miles total use ever, but its old. The old 
working jib got used plenty back in the day. The last time I had that one up 
was around 1990 in about 50-60 knots running dead downwind. That was a fun day 
Joe
Coquina

From: Charlie Nelson via CnC-List 
Sent: Friday, January 29, 2021 10:53 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: cenel...@aol.com
Subject: [EXTERNAL] Stus-List Re: Furler question

The perfect solution to the problem Joe!

Depending on the difference between 'too high and too low', finding the sweet 
spot could be a chore and would likely require different shackle lengths at the 
deck level for different sails.

A proper restrainer allows more 'slop' in the effective luff length without 
chewing up the halyard/sheave and prevents the wrapping problem. Perhaps not 
the perfect solution but a good one that works--keeping in mind the adage to 
'...not let the perfect be the enemy of the good..!'

YMMV

Charlie Nelson
Water Phantom

-Original Message-
From: Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
To: Stus-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
Cc: Della Barba, Joe mailto:joe.della.ba...@ssa.gov>>
Sent: Fri, Jan 29, 2021 8:35 am
Subject: Stus-List Re: Furler question
What I discovered was the overall position of the halyard and top swivel was 
critical. Assuming you have a full hoist sail and no retainer, you need to 
adjust the shackle length at deck level to get the halyard as far up as you can 
without running the nicropress into the sheave. Too high and it chews up the 
halyard and sheave and/or you can’t get correct tension, too low and it wraps.
Joe
Coquina
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[Charlie Nelson via CnC-List]

The perfect solution to the problem Joe!
Depending on the difference between 'too high and too low', finding the sweet 
spot could be a chore and would likely require different shackle lengths at the 
deck level for different sails. 
A proper restrainer allows more 'slop' in the effective luff length without 
chewing up the halyard/sheave and prevents the wrapping problem. Perhaps not 
the perfect solution but a good one that works--keeping in mind the adage to 
'...not let the perfect be the enemy of the good..!'
YMMV
Charlie NelsonWater Phantom


-Original Message-
From: Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List 
To: Stus-List 
Cc: Della Barba, Joe 
Sent: Fri, Jan 29, 2021 8:35 am
Subject: Stus-List Re: Furler question

 What I discovered was the 
overall position of the halyard and top swivel was critical. Assuming you have 
a full hoist sail and no retainer, you need to adjust the shackle length at 
deck level to get the halyard as far up as you can without running the 
nicropress into the sheave. Too high and it chews up the halyard and sheave 
and/or you can’t get correct tension, too low and it wraps. Joe Coquina Thanks 
to all of the subscribers that contributed to the list to help with the costs 
involved.  If you want to show your support to the list - use PayPal to send 
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[Matthew via CnC-List]

My exact experience.

 

From: Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List  
Sent: Friday, January 29, 2021 8:36 AM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: Della Barba, Joe 
Subject: Stus-List Re: Furler question

 

What I discovered was the overall position of the halyard and top swivel was 
critical. Assuming you have a full hoist sail and no retainer, you need to 
adjust the shackle length at deck level to get the halyard as far up as you can 
without running the nicropress into the sheave. Too high and it chews up the 
halyard and sheave and/or you can’t get correct tension, too low and it wraps.

Joe

Coquina

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[Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List]

What I discovered was the overall position of the halyard and top swivel was 
critical. Assuming you have a full hoist sail and no retainer, you need to 
adjust the shackle length at deck level to get the halyard as far up as you can 
without running the nicropress into the sheave. Too high and it chews up the 
halyard and sheave and/or you can’t get correct tension, too low and it wraps.
Joe
Coquina
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[Charlie Nelson via CnC-List]

Years ago I suffered from problems with my Harken fuller until I learned about 
the problem with the angle between the halyard exit point from the mast sheave 
and the top of the fuller drum.
The first fix was the Harken halyard restrainer--which increased this angle so 
that the angle between the restrainer and the drum was larger.  Unfortunately, 
the halyard restrainer itself was so large and clunky, given the limited space 
between the forestay/furler drum/swivel and the restrainer when at full hoist, 
that the problem was only partially solved: it worked better than no restrainer 
but not all the time.
The final fix, suggested by an excellent rigger, was to 'pitch' the restrainer 
and mount a permanent bail near the top of the mast forward. This took up much 
less space so that the sail did not need cut to reach full hoist and now the 
angle so large that I never have issues with furling, at least at the top of 
the mast!
FWIW
Charlie NelsonWater Phantom1996 C 36 XL/kcb 


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From: Bill Coleman via CnC-List 
To: 'Stus-List' 
Cc: Bill Coleman 
Sent: Wed, Jan 27, 2021 2:40 pm
Subject: Stus-List Re: Furler question

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div.yiv0985951551Section1 {}#yiv0985951551 I kind of tried to go to an eye-only 
on the end of the halyardlast summer when I was having trouble with 
roller-furling. I thought that maybethe length between the top roller and mast 
was too long,(not enough angle)and Iflipped the snap shackle sideways and just 
used one shackle to the roller. Thisgot it up a few inches more, but Still had 
problems, and thought maybe theflopping shackle was hitting the forestay. I 
would remove it, but I hate toscrap a perfectly good Tylaska snap shackle. I 
will say, I got a whole new appreciation for the situation upthere after being 
hauled up to look at it in action from a few inches away. Ihighly recommend it. 
      Bill Coleman Entrada, Erie, PA          From: Matthew viaCnC-List 
[mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2021 11:35 AM
To: 'Stus-List'
Cc: Matthew
Subject: Stus-List Re: Furler question    
Whileon the topic of furlers, I noticed a couple times last summer that we 
haddifficulty unfurling the sail.  My best guess is that the wire ropethimble 
holding the snap shackle onto the halyard was banging into something uptop.  
I’m replacing the wire-to-rope halyards with all rope for this year,and my line 
supplier said if I’m using a furler (Harken in my case) I don’tneed a snap 
shackle on the halyard.  All I need is an eye splice becausethe furler already 
has a snap shackle for the halyard.  Does anyone havethis arrangement (just an 
eye splice at the end of the halyard)?    Pleaseadvise.  Thanks.    Matt    
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[Matthew via CnC-List]

Thanks, Don.  I’m unfortunately familiar with the whole spinnaker halyard wrap 
thing.

 

From: Don Kern via CnC-List  
Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2021 12:39 PM
To: Matthew via CnC-List 
Cc: Don Kern 
Subject: Stus-List Re: Furler question

 

Matt.
Because I use the furler only for cruising I replaced the snap-shackle on the 
furler with a standard small shackle and do have a snap-shackle on halyard. 
This allows me to host racing sails and attach the halyard to the foredeck when 
no sail is raised.  Besides the entry angle at the mast head it is also prudent 
to make sure all other mast head halyards are taunt when furling, more than one 
occasion have tried to roll a spinnaker halyard into the foresail.  Fireball 
has two spinnaker halyards on the masthead crane and two jib halyard.
Don Kern
Fireball, C Mk2
Bristol, RI

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[Bill Coleman via CnC-List]

I kind of tried to go to an eye-only on the end of the halyard last summer when 
I was having trouble with roller-furling. I thought that maybe the length 
between the top roller and mast was too long,(not enough angle)and I flipped 
the snap shackle sideways and just used one shackle to the roller. This got it 
up a few inches more, but Still had problems, and thought maybe the flopping 
shackle was hitting the forestay. I would remove it, but I hate to scrap a 
perfectly good Tylaska snap shackle.

I will say, I got a whole new appreciation for the situation up there after 
being hauled up to look at it in action from a few inches away. I highly 
recommend it.

 

 

Bill Coleman

Entrada, Erie, PA

 

 

 

From: Matthew via CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2021 11:35 AM
To: 'Stus-List'
Cc: Matthew
Subject: Stus-List Re: Furler question

 

While on the topic of furlers, I noticed a couple times last summer that we had 
difficulty unfurling the sail.  My best guess is that the wire rope thimble 
holding the snap shackle onto the halyard was banging into something up top.  
I’m replacing the wire-to-rope halyards with all rope for this year, and my 
line supplier said if I’m using a furler (Harken in my case) I don’t need a 
snap shackle on the halyard.  All I need is an eye splice because the furler 
already has a snap shackle for the halyard.  Does anyone have this arrangement 
(just an eye splice at the end of the halyard)?

 

Please advise.  Thanks.

 

Matt

 

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Stus-List Re: Furler question

[Matthew via CnC-List]

Thanks, Alan.  I’m familiar with all that.  The issue appeared to be a 
combination of halyard tension and the size of the rope thimble (which sits 
above the shackle without much room). 

 

From: ALAN BERGEN via CnC-List  
Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2021 12:00 PM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: ALAN BERGEN 
Subject: Stus-List Re: Furler question

 

It's important to have the halyard connecting to the furler at not too narrow 
an angle. Otherwise the halyard will wrap around the furler. If the angle is 
too narrow, you need to have a retainer mounted on the mast below the place 
where the halyard exists the mast.




Alan Bergen

35 Mk III Thirsty

Rose City YC

Portland, OR

 

 

 

On Wed, Jan 27, 2021 at 8:50 AM Matthew via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote:

I assumed as much.  I plan to have a snap shackle that can be attached to an 
eye splice.  I think I’ve seen bales that open for this kind of issue.  Thanks.

 

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Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2021 11:46 AM
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Cc: pete.shelqu...@comcast.net <mailto:pete.shelqu...@comcast.net> 
Subject: Stus-List Re: Furler question

 

Yes.  It’s a good way to go.   

 

FYI – when the halyard is not attached to the top swivel, you’ll need a way to 
attach it to the tow rail (or wherever you keep it when not used.  

 

 

 

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Stus-List Re: Furler question

[Don Kern via CnC-List]

Matt.
Because I use the furler only for cruising I replaced the snap-shackle 
on the furler with a standard small shackle and do have a snap-shackle 
on halyard. This allows me to host racing sails and attach the halyard 
to the foredeck when no sail is raised.  Besides the entry angle at the 
mast head it is also prudent to make sure all other mast head halyards 
are taunt when furling, more than one occasion have tried to roll a 
spinnaker halyard into the foresail. Fireball has two spinnaker halyards 
on the masthead crane and two jib halyard.

Don Kern
/Fireball,/ C Mk2
Bristol, RI

On 1/27/2021 11:34 AM, Matthew via CnC-List wrote:


While on the topic of furlers, I noticed a couple times last
summer that we had difficulty unfurling the sail.  My best guess
is that the wire rope thimble holding the snap shackle onto the
halyard was banging into something up top.  I’m replacing the
wire-to-rope halyards with all rope for this year, and my line
supplier said if I’m using a furler (Harken in my case) I don’t
need a snap shackle on the halyard.  All I need is an eye splice
because the furler already has a snap shackle for the halyard. 
Does anyone have this arrangement (just an eye splice at the end
of the halyard)?

Please advise.  Thanks.

Matt

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Stus-List Re: Furler question

[Joel Aronson via CnC-List]

Here is the sleeve:
https://www.westmarine.com/chafe-resistant-covers

Joel

On Wed, Jan 27, 2021 at 12:01 PM ALAN BERGEN via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> It's important to have the halyard connecting to the furler at not too
> narrow an angle. Otherwise the halyard will wrap around the furler. If the
> angle is too narrow, you need to have a retainer mounted on the mast below
> the place where the halyard exists the mast.
>
> Alan Bergen
> 35 Mk III Thirsty
> Rose City YC
> Portland, OR
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jan 27, 2021 at 8:50 AM Matthew via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>> I assumed as much.  I plan to have a snap shackle that can be attached to
>> an eye splice.  I think I’ve seen bales that open for this kind of issue.
>> Thanks.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* pete.shelquist--- via CnC-List 
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 27, 2021 11:46 AM
>> *To:* 'Stus-List' 
>> *Cc:* pete.shelqu...@comcast.net
>> *Subject:* Stus-List Re: Furler question
>>
>>
>>
>> Yes.  It’s a good way to go.
>>
>>
>>
>> FYI – when the halyard is not attached to the top swivel, you’ll need a
>> way to attach it to the tow rail (or wherever you keep it when not used.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks to all of the subscribers that contributed to the list to help
>> with the costs involved.  If you want to show your support to the list -
>> use PayPal to send contribution --
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>>  Thanks - Stu
>
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Stus-List Re: Furler question

[ALAN BERGEN via CnC-List]

It's important to have the halyard connecting to the furler at not too
narrow an angle. Otherwise the halyard will wrap around the furler. If the
angle is too narrow, you need to have a retainer mounted on the mast below
the place where the halyard exists the mast.

Alan Bergen
35 Mk III Thirsty
Rose City YC
Portland, OR



On Wed, Jan 27, 2021 at 8:50 AM Matthew via CnC-List 
wrote:

> I assumed as much.  I plan to have a snap shackle that can be attached to
> an eye splice.  I think I’ve seen bales that open for this kind of issue.
> Thanks.
>
>
>
> *From:* pete.shelquist--- via CnC-List 
> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 27, 2021 11:46 AM
> *To:* 'Stus-List' 
> *Cc:* pete.shelqu...@comcast.net
> *Subject:* Stus-List Re: Furler question
>
>
>
> Yes.  It’s a good way to go.
>
>
>
> FYI – when the halyard is not attached to the top swivel, you’ll need a
> way to attach it to the tow rail (or wherever you keep it when not used.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Thanks to all of the subscribers that contributed to the list to help with
> the costs involved.  If you want to show your support to the list - use
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>  Thanks - Stu
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Stus-List Re: Furler question

[Joel Aronson via CnC-List]

Thanks.  West sells a dyneema sleeve chafe guard, but you have to hunt
around the site to find it.
Back in the 'old days' I'd walk into APS and buy it.

On Wed, Jan 27, 2021 at 11:56 AM Matthew via CnC-List 
wrote:

> What sort of chafe guard (an excellent idea, by the way).
>
>
>
> *From:* Joel Aronson via CnC-List 
> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 27, 2021 11:51 AM
> *To:* Stus-List 
> *Cc:* Joel Aronson 
> *Subject:* Stus-List Re: Furler question
>
>
>
> Eye splice with chafe guard on the last few feet of the halyard.  Soft
> shackle if needed.
>
>
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Stus-List Re: Furler question

[Matthew via CnC-List]

What sort of chafe guard (an excellent idea, by the way).

 

From: Joel Aronson via CnC-List  
Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2021 11:51 AM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: Joel Aronson 
Subject: Stus-List Re: Furler question

 

Eye splice with chafe guard on the last few feet of the halyard.  Soft shackle 
if needed.

 

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Stus-List Re: Furler question

[Joel Aronson via CnC-List]

Eye splice with chafe guard on the last few feet of the halyard.  Soft
shackle if needed.

On Wed, Jan 27, 2021 at 11:46 AM pete.shelquist--- via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Yes.  It’s a good way to go.
>
>
>
> FYI – when the halyard is not attached to the top swivel, you’ll need a
> way to attach it to the tow rail (or wherever you keep it when not used.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Matthew via CnC-List 
> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 27, 2021 10:35 AM
> *To:* 'Stus-List' 
> *Cc:* Matthew 
> *Subject:* Stus-List Re: Furler question
>
>
>
> While on the topic of furlers, I noticed a couple times last summer that
> we had difficulty unfurling the sail.  My best guess is that the wire rope
> thimble holding the snap shackle onto the halyard was banging into
> something up top.  I’m replacing the wire-to-rope halyards with all rope
> for this year, and my line supplier said if I’m using a furler (Harken in
> my case) I don’t need a snap shackle on the halyard.  All I need is an eye
> splice because the furler already has a snap shackle for the halyard.  Does
> anyone have this arrangement (just an eye splice at the end of the halyard)?
>
>
>
> Please advise.  Thanks.
>
>
>
> Matt
>
>
>
> Thanks to all of the subscribers that contributed to the list to help with
> the costs involved.  If you want to show your support to the list - use
> PayPal to send contribution --   https://www.paypal.me/stumurray  Thanks
> - Stu
>
> Thanks to all of the subscribers that contributed to the list to help with
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> - Stu



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Stus-List Re: Furler question

[Matthew via CnC-List]

I assumed as much.  I plan to have a snap shackle that can be attached to an 
eye splice.  I think I’ve seen bales that open for this kind of issue.  Thanks.

 

From: pete.shelquist--- via CnC-List  
Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2021 11:46 AM
To: 'Stus-List' 
Cc: pete.shelqu...@comcast.net
Subject: Stus-List Re: Furler question

 

Yes.  It’s a good way to go.   

 

FYI – when the halyard is not attached to the top swivel, you’ll need a way to 
attach it to the tow rail (or wherever you keep it when not used.  

 

 

 

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Stus-List Re: Furler question

[pete.shelquist--- via CnC-List]

Yes.  It’s a good way to go.   

 

FYI – when the halyard is not attached to the top swivel, you’ll need a way to 
attach it to the tow rail (or wherever you keep it when not used.  

 

 

 

From: Matthew via CnC-List  
Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2021 10:35 AM
To: 'Stus-List' 
Cc: Matthew 
Subject: Stus-List Re: Furler question

 

While on the topic of furlers, I noticed a couple times last summer that we had 
difficulty unfurling the sail.  My best guess is that the wire rope thimble 
holding the snap shackle onto the halyard was banging into something up top.  
I’m replacing the wire-to-rope halyards with all rope for this year, and my 
line supplier said if I’m using a furler (Harken in my case) I don’t need a 
snap shackle on the halyard.  All I need is an eye splice because the furler 
already has a snap shackle for the halyard.  Does anyone have this arrangement 
(just an eye splice at the end of the halyard)?

 

Please advise.  Thanks.

 

Matt

 

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Stus-List Re: Furler question

[Matthew via CnC-List]

While on the topic of furlers, I noticed a couple times last summer that we had 
difficulty unfurling the sail.  My best guess is that the wire rope thimble 
holding the snap shackle onto the halyard was banging into something up top.  
I’m replacing the wire-to-rope halyards with all rope for this year, and my 
line supplier said if I’m using a furler (Harken in my case) I don’t need a 
snap shackle on the halyard.  All I need is an eye splice because the furler 
already has a snap shackle for the halyard.  Does anyone have this arrangement 
(just an eye splice at the end of the halyard)?

 

Please advise.  Thanks.

 

Matt

 

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