Stus-List Re: Screw removal

[Jeff Nelson via CnC-List]

Yes, I have one and comes in handy a lot of times.  You can get the 
adapters at lee valley:

https://www.leevalley.com/en-ca/shop/tools/hand-tools/drills/100081-brace-drivers-for-screws-and-sockets?item=50J6105
They also make a socket driver attachment.

On 2021-01-18 6:04 p.m., Don Newman via CnC-List wrote:
Try the old timer's trick.  A brace and Bit.  You can apply a great 
deal of force to prevent the bit from jumping out and at the same time 
a lot of rotational force.




Cheers,
   Jeff Nelson
   Muir Caileag
   C 30 549

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[John Irvin via CnC-List]

Good advice

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On Jan 18, 2021, at 5:05 PM, Don Newman via CnC-List  
wrote:


Try the old timer's trick.  A brace and Bit.  You can apply a great deal of 
force to prevent the bit from jumping out and at the same time a lot of 
rotational force.

On Thu, Jan 14, 2021 at 9:11 AM Robert Abbott via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
Adam

SS screws in aluminum are probably now fused togetherno amount of 
penetrating oil will loosen them.   Drilling them out and tap new treads after 
is one option.  An impact driver is another optionyou might get lucky with 
the impact driver and not have to tap new treads but I wouldn't count on that 
...the impact driver may also break the screws as they are fused to the 
aluminum.

I took a stanchion and stanchion base off last year using an impact driver but 
a few of the screws broke off, had to be drilled out and new treads.  Luckily 
for me a fellow club member who is also a machinist (retired) did the latter 
part.

Rob Abbott
AZURA
C 32 - #277
Halifax, N.S.

On 2021-01-14 7:29 a.m., Adam Hayden via CnC-List wrote:

Hello

I am in the process of ordering new spreaders and the supplier asked to send 
the old bases so the holes can be properly aligned.

The spreader bases are attached by screws.  I have soaked with penetrating oil 
this evening and will soak over night.  I will bring a torch over tomorrow.   
Any other suggestions would be appreciated.  I would prefer not to have to 
drill them out.

See the attached link

https://photos.app.goo.gl/RuDjmDNgWMELrcoR6

Thanks
Adam
C 36
Pictou NS





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[Don Newman via CnC-List]

Try the old timer's trick.  A brace and Bit.  You can apply a great deal of
force to prevent the bit from jumping out and at the same time a lot of
rotational force.

On Thu, Jan 14, 2021 at 9:11 AM Robert Abbott via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Adam
>
> SS screws in aluminum are probably now fused togetherno amount of
> penetrating oil will loosen them.   Drilling them out and tap new treads
> after is one option.  An impact driver is another optionyou might get
> lucky with the impact driver and not have to tap new treads but I wouldn't
> count on that ...the impact driver may also break the screws as they are
> fused to the aluminum.
>
> I took a stanchion and stanchion base off last year using an impact driver
> but a few of the screws broke off, had to be drilled out and new treads.
> Luckily for me a fellow club member who is also a machinist (retired) did
> the latter part.
>
> Rob Abbott
> AZURA
> C 32 - #277
> Halifax, N.S.
>
> On 2021-01-14 7:29 a.m., Adam Hayden via CnC-List wrote:
>
>
> Hello
>
> I am in the process of ordering new spreaders and the supplier asked to
> send the old bases so the holes can be properly aligned.
>
> The spreader bases are attached by screws.  I have soaked with penetrating
> oil this evening and will soak over night.  I will bring a torch over
> tomorrow.   Any other suggestions would be appreciated.  I would prefer not
> to have to drill them out.
>
> See the attached link
>
> https://photos.app.goo.gl/RuDjmDNgWMELrcoR6
>
> Thanks
> Adam
> C 36
> Pictou NS
>
>
>
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[Rod Stright via CnC-List]

Wow more than 30 emails on removing a screw.

 

 

 

From: Adam Hayden via CnC-List  
Sent: January-15-21 7:40 PM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: Adam Hayden 
Subject: Stus-List Re: Screw removal

 

Hey everyone   

 

Thanks for all the advice and suggestions.   I have added some new tools 
(thanks Dennis).  I especially appreciated the comment just heat the shit out 
of it.  

Still working at it.  1 has come out.   Can really focus on it this weekend

 

Adam

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[Martin DeYoung via CnC-List]

Chuck,

I too am a LanaCote user but mostly for turnbuckles and rigging terminations 
that could harbor water.  I have a 20+ year old container of LanaCote that I 
usually heat up a little to reduce viscosity before applying.  That stuff is 
almost un-usable when cold.  I was able to easily disassemble Calypso’s 
turnbuckles when rebuilding the deck near the chainplates.

I would not hesitate to use LanaCote on fasteners if I ran out of Tefgel or 
more likely, could not find the Tefgel syringe.

Martin DeYoung
Calypso
1971 C 43
Seattle/Port Ludlow

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Subject: Stus-List Re: Screw removal

Yes.  Screws coated with Lanacote come right out.

Maybe I'm the only lister using Lanacote?  All the other list comments seem to 
prefer TefGel.  I bought some of that, but when I had to choose, I chose 
Lanacote because of past experiences.  I can't say LanaCote is better than Tef 
Gel, cause I never did a test comparison, but a little goes a long way.

Around about 2007, I repainted my boom.  I removed all the fittings on my boom 
and sanded to bare metal, primed with etching primer, and painted it.  I used 
Lanacote on all the SS screws holding straps and blocks, etc.  In 2019, I 
decided to install Lazy Jacks and removed all the fittings to repaint the boom 
again.  It's simply a waxy lanolin and I like it.  I installed all the new SS 
fasteners using the same tub of Lanacote I purchased over eighteen years ago.  
It's good stuff.


Chuck Scheaffer Resolute 1989 C 34R




On 01/15/2021 1:10 PM dwight veinot via CnC-List  wrote:


Have you tried to remove a screw you put in 12 years ago using this stuff

On Thu, Jan 14, 2021 at 5:29 PM CHARLES SCHEAFFER via CnC-List < 
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I stick the stainless screws into a tub of Lanacote before assembly into 
aluminum and avoid corrosion.  The same $7 tub has served for eighteen years.  
I keep one on the boat and another at home.  It's now $12 but far cheaper than 
TefGel.

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Chuck S
On 01/14/2021 2:25 PM Chris Riedinger via CnC-List < 
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Anti seize in dissimilar metals will be worse than nothing at all.

Tefgel if installing stainless fasteners in aluminum


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[CHARLES SCHEAFFER via CnC-List]

Yes.  Screws coated with Lanacote come right out.

Maybe I'm the only lister using Lanacote?  All the other list comments seem to 
prefer TefGel.  I bought some of that, but when I had to choose, I chose 
Lanacote because of past experiences.  I can't say LanaCote is better than Tef 
Gel, cause I never did a test comparison, but a little goes a long way.

Around about 2007, I repainted my boom.  I removed all the fittings on my boom 
and sanded to bare metal, primed with etching primer, and painted it.  I used 
Lanacote on all the SS screws holding straps and blocks, etc.  In 2019, I 
decided to install Lazy Jacks and removed all the fittings to repaint the boom 
again.  It's simply a waxy lanolin and I like it.  I installed all the new SS 
fasteners using the same tub of Lanacote I purchased over eighteen years ago.  
It's good stuff.


Chuck Scheaffer Resolute 1989 C 34R





> On 01/15/2021 1:10 PM dwight veinot via CnC-List  
> wrote:
>  
>  
> Have you tried to remove a screw you put in 12 years ago using this stuff
> 
> On Thu, Jan 14, 2021 at 5:29 PM CHARLES SCHEAFFER via CnC-List < 
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com > wrote:
> 
> > > I stick the stainless screws into a tub of Lanacote 
> before assembly into aluminum and avoid corrosion.  The same $7 tub has 
> served for eighteen years.  I keep one on the boat and another at home.  It's 
> now $12 but far cheaper than TefGel.
> >  
> > 
> > https://store.offshorespars.com/products/lanocote-corrosion-inhibitor-4oz-jar?variant=5529330483228=USD_medium=product_sync_source=google_content=sag_organic_campaign=sag_organic_campaign=gs-2020-01-21_source=google_medium=smart_campaign=Cj0KCQiA9P__BRC0ARIsAEZ6irhSrsfS5Gpc9JSq8OuW8376Z15u_ZhodAe_mKVO_dauDvGtcf7vNSAaAliqEALw_wcB
> >  
> > Chuck S
> > 
> > > > > On 01/14/2021 2:25 PM Chris Riedinger via 
> > CnC-List < cnc-list@cnc-list.com mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com > wrote:
> > >  
> > >  
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Anti seize in dissimilar metals will be worse than nothing at 
> > > all. 
> > >  
> > > Tefgel if installing stainless fasteners in aluminum
> > >  
> > >  
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[Adam Hayden via CnC-List]

Hey everyone

Thanks for all the advice and suggestions.   I have added some new tools 
(thanks Dennis).  I especially appreciated the comment just heat the shit out 
of it.  
Still working at it.  1 has come out.   Can really focus on it this weekend

Adam
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[Bill Coleman via CnC-List]

I used tefgel on the ¼ -20 screws on the Harken Roller furling drum, and then 
they kept coming out – but they never galled! So, then I put a wrap of 
electrical tape around it to keep them in.

 

 

Bill Coleman

Entrada, Erie, PA

 

 

 

From: schiller via CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com] 
Sent: Friday, January 15, 2021 1:26 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: schiller
Subject: Stus-List Re: Screw removal

 

When I was designing missiles and bombs, we used a polyimide epoxy primer on 
stainless screws in aluminum.  It acted both as a barrier coat (faying surface 
sealer) and a thread locker.  It worked well in products that had a 30 year 
storage life requirement.  Loctite also makes faying surface sealants that work 
well as a barrier coat but tefgel is probably the easiest to use.

Neil Schiller
1983 C 35-3, #028, "Grace"
Whitehall, Michigan

On 1/15/2021 1:10 PM, dwight veinot via CnC-List wrote:

Have you tried to remove a screw you put in 12 years ago using this stuff

 

On Thu, Jan 14, 2021 at 5:29 PM CHARLES SCHEAFFER via CnC-List 
 wrote:

I stick the stainless screws into a tub of Lanacote before assembly into 
aluminum and avoid corrosion.  The same $7 tub has served for eighteen years.  
I keep one on the boat and another at home.  It's now $12 but far cheaper than 
TefGel. 

  

https://store.offshorespars.com/products/lanocote-corrosion-inhibitor-4oz-jar?variant=5529330483228
 
<https://store.offshorespars.com/products/lanocote-corrosion-inhibitor-4oz-jar?variant=5529330483228=USD_medium=product_sync_source=google_content=sag_organic_campaign=sag_organic_campaign=gs-2020-01-21_source=google_medium=smart_campaign=Cj0KCQiA9P__BRC0ARIsAEZ6irhSrsfS5Gpc9JSq8OuW8376Z15u_ZhodAe_mKVO_dauDvGtcf7vNSAaAliqEALw_wcB>
 
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Chuck S 

On 01/14/2021 2:25 PM Chris Riedinger via CnC-List  
wrote: 

  

  

 

Anti seize in dissimilar metals will be worse than nothing at all.  

  

Tefgel if installing stainless fasteners in aluminum 

  

  

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[schiller via CnC-List]

When I was designing missiles and bombs, we used a polyimide epoxy 
primer on stainless screws in aluminum.  It acted both as a barrier coat 
(faying surface sealer) and a thread locker.  It worked well in products 
that had a 30 year storage life requirement.  Loctite also makes faying 
surface sealants that work well as a barrier coat but tefgel is probably 
the easiest to use.


Neil Schiller
1983 C 35-3, #028, "Grace"
Whitehall, Michigan

On 1/15/2021 1:10 PM, dwight veinot via CnC-List wrote:

Have you tried to remove a screw you put in 12 years ago using this stuff

On Thu, Jan 14, 2021 at 5:29 PM CHARLES SCHEAFFER via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:


I stick the stainless screws into a tub of Lanacote before
assembly into aluminum and avoid corrosion.  The same $7 tub has
served for eighteen years.  I keep one on the boat and another at
home.  It's now $12 but far cheaper than TefGel.

https://store.offshorespars.com/products/lanocote-corrosion-inhibitor-4oz-jar?variant=5529330483228=USD_medium=product_sync_source=google_content=sag_organic_campaign=sag_organic_campaign=gs-2020-01-21_source=google_medium=smart_campaign=Cj0KCQiA9P__BRC0ARIsAEZ6irhSrsfS5Gpc9JSq8OuW8376Z15u_ZhodAe_mKVO_dauDvGtcf7vNSAaAliqEALw_wcB

Chuck S

On 01/14/2021 2:25 PM Chris Riedinger via CnC-List
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:


Anti seize in dissimilar metals will be worse than nothing at all.
Tefgel if installing stainless fasteners in aluminum
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[dwight veinot via CnC-List]

Have you tried to remove a screw you put in 12 years ago using this stuff

On Thu, Jan 14, 2021 at 5:29 PM CHARLES SCHEAFFER via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> I stick the stainless screws into a tub of Lanacote before assembly into
> aluminum and avoid corrosion.  The same $7 tub has served for eighteen
> years.  I keep one on the boat and another at home.  It's now $12 but far
> cheaper than TefGel.
>
>
> https://store.offshorespars.com/products/lanocote-corrosion-inhibitor-4oz-jar?variant=5529330483228=USD_medium=product_sync_source=google_content=sag_organic_campaign=sag_organic_campaign=gs-2020-01-21_source=google_medium=smart_campaign=Cj0KCQiA9P__BRC0ARIsAEZ6irhSrsfS5Gpc9JSq8OuW8376Z15u_ZhodAe_mKVO_dauDvGtcf7vNSAaAliqEALw_wcB
>
> Chuck S
>
> On 01/14/2021 2:25 PM Chris Riedinger via CnC-List 
> wrote:
>
>
>
>
> Anti seize in dissimilar metals will be worse than nothing at all.
>
> Tefgel if installing stainless fasteners in aluminum
>
>
> Thanks to all of the subscribers that contributed to the list to help with
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> Stu
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[Charlie Nelson via CnC-List]

+1 on drilling out the screws and remounting the bracket slightly up or down 
from its original position--why go to all the trouble of using the old holes?
IMHO, we DIYers (myself included!) spend way too much time/money/energy trying 
to save/rejuvenate/repair something that is quicker/cheaper/easier to 
replace/move/improve with something better. 
I recently spent the better part of an afternoon trying to replace a single 
handle faucet in my kitchen. As usual, I was determined to get the old one out 
in one piece even though the washer was shot and the spigot handle was not 
obviously removable and I had a new $70 replacement with its instructions as a 
guide.
I got everything loose, working on my back inside the below sink cabinet but 
without an assistant, I could not get the old fittings through the hole in our 
granite sink top.
Got out the hacksaw, cut thru one of the old copper tubes so I could deal with 
1 copper tube and the hose only and everything came out the top with ease. 
Installed the new faucet, tightened up everything so there were no leaks and, 
easy-peasey, the job was done--but not until I wasted about 2 hours trying to 
get out the old one without damaging it and for what--it was shot anyway and 
went straight to the garbage, which was where it was going with or without all 
its original fittings!!

Charlie NelsonS/V Water Phantom, C 36 XL/kcbNorth Carolina






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[CHARLES SCHEAFFER via CnC-List]

I stick the stainless screws into a tub of Lanacote before assembly into 
aluminum and avoid corrosion.  The same $7 tub has served for eighteen years.  
I keep one on the boat and another at home.  It's now $12 but far cheaper than 
TefGel.

https://store.offshorespars.com/products/lanocote-corrosion-inhibitor-4oz-jar?variant=5529330483228=USD_medium=product_sync_source=google_content=sag_organic_campaign=sag_organic_campaign=gs-2020-01-21_source=google_medium=smart_campaign=Cj0KCQiA9P__BRC0ARIsAEZ6irhSrsfS5Gpc9JSq8OuW8376Z15u_ZhodAe_mKVO_dauDvGtcf7vNSAaAliqEALw_wcB

Chuck S

> On 01/14/2021 2:25 PM Chris Riedinger via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
>  
>  
> 
> 
> Anti seize in dissimilar metals will be worse than nothing at all. 
>  
> Tefgel if installing stainless fasteners in aluminum
>  
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[dwight veinot via CnC-List]

This is a spreader attachment to the mast. If the screws are Phillips or
Robertson heads use the centres to drill the ss scree out get a real good
bit. You’re gonna have to clean up the treads with a tap so might as well
drill a little bigger to get fresh metal then tap to a bigger fastener. Not
that hard and you can then use gobs of anti seize when you reinstall  won’t
matter the next owner 30 years latter will have to deal with what you’re
dealing with now

On Thu, Jan 14, 2021 at 10:11 AM Robert Abbott via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Adam
>
> SS screws in aluminum are probably now fused togetherno amount of
> penetrating oil will loosen them.   Drilling them out and tap new treads
> after is one option.  An impact driver is another optionyou might get
> lucky with the impact driver and not have to tap new treads but I wouldn't
> count on that ...the impact driver may also break the screws as they are
> fused to the aluminum.
>
> I took a stanchion and stanchion base off last year using an impact driver
> but a few of the screws broke off, had to be drilled out and new treads.
> Luckily for me a fellow club member who is also a machinist (retired) did
> the latter part.
>
> Rob Abbott
> AZURA
> C 32 - #277
> Halifax, N.S.
>
>
> On 2021-01-14 7:29 a.m., Adam Hayden via CnC-List wrote:
>
>
> Hello
>
> I am in the process of ordering new spreaders and the supplier asked to
> send the old bases so the holes can be properly aligned.
>
> The spreader bases are attached by screws.  I have soaked with penetrating
> oil this evening and will soak over night.  I will bring a torch over
> tomorrow.   Any other suggestions would be appreciated.  I would prefer not
> to have to drill them out.
>
> See the attached link
>
> https://photos.app.goo.gl/RuDjmDNgWMELrcoR6
>
> Thanks
> Adam
> C 36
> Pictou NS
>
>
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[John Irvin via CnC-List]

You can buy spray bombs which spray super cold – useful in breaking bonds.

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From: Alan Liles via CnC-List<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
Sent: January 14, 2021 2:42 PM
To: Stus-List<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
Cc: Alan Liles<mailto:lilesal...@gmail.com>
Subject: Stus-List Re: Screw removal

I have found, when using heat, I first heat the screw very hot, then squirt 
water on it to cool it rapidly. It seems the shock of rapid temperature change 
breaks the bond.
I have been consistently impressed by my 1/4” impact driver. It pops out 
fasteners that look corroded and seized quite easily.
Occasionally nothing works. Then you may have to relocate the whole bracket and 
redrill the holes.  Trying to drill out small stainless fasteners in aluminum 
with a hand drill is hardly ever successful.

Cheers, Al
SV Elendil, C 37/40+
Vancouver


> On Jan 14, 2021, at 11:24 AM, Chris Riedinger via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
>
> I'll fifth the impact. But only if the threads are clean and no corrosion on 
> the fasteners (because they'll just break)
>
> Otherwise, heat is more your friend. And heat the shit out of it. Map torch, 
> oxy/acetylene, etc
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[Alan Liles via CnC-List]

I have found, when using heat, I first heat the screw very hot, then squirt 
water on it to cool it rapidly. It seems the shock of rapid temperature change 
breaks the bond. 
I have been consistently impressed by my 1/4” impact driver. It pops out 
fasteners that look corroded and seized quite easily. 
Occasionally nothing works. Then you may have to relocate the whole bracket and 
redrill the holes.  Trying to drill out small stainless fasteners in aluminum 
with a hand drill is hardly ever successful. 

Cheers, Al
SV Elendil, C 37/40+
Vancouver 


> On Jan 14, 2021, at 11:24 AM, Chris Riedinger via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> I'll fifth the impact. But only if the threads are clean and no corrosion on 
> the fasteners (because they'll just break)
> 
> Otherwise, heat is more your friend. And heat the shit out of it. Map torch, 
> oxy/acetylene, etc 
> 
> 
> 
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[Chris Riedinger via CnC-List]

Anti seize in dissimilar metals will be worse than nothing at all.

Tefgel if installing stainless fasteners in aluminum
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[Chris Riedinger via CnC-List]

I'll fifth the impact. But only if the threads are clean and no corrosion
on the fasteners (because they'll just break)

Otherwise, heat is more your friend. And heat the shit out of it. Map
torch, oxy/acetylene, etc
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Stus-List Re: Screw removal

[Jeffrey Brideau via CnC-List]

Agreed, they are evil. use left-handed drill bits instead.

On Thu, Jan 14, 2021 at 12:11 PM ALAN BERGEN via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Don't use a screw extractor. If it breaks off in the screw, you won't be
> able to drill it out.
>
> Alan Bergen
> 35 Mk III Thirsty
> Rose City YC
> Portland, OR
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jan 14, 2021 at 9:05 AM Blair Clark via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>> saw a tip that says to use a rubber band between end of screw driver and
>> the screw head to remove...also saw ads for easy outs such as
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>> *From:* Doug Mountjoy via CnC-List 
>> *Sent:* January 14, 2021 12:18 PM
>> *To:* Stus-List 
>> *Cc:* Adam Hayden ; Doug Mountjoy <
>> svrebeccal...@gmail.com>
>> *Subject:* Stus-List Re: Screw removal
>>
>> Another trick is to use some valve grinding compound on the driver bit.
>> This will help in not stripping out the screw head.
>>
>>
>>
>> Doug Mountjoy
>> sv Rebecca Leah
>> C Landfall 39
>> Port Orchard yacht club
>>
>>  Original message 
>> From: Adam Hayden via CnC-List 
>> Date: 1/14/21 06:29 (GMT-05:00)
>> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
>> Cc: Adam Hayden 
>> Subject: Stus-List Screw removal
>>
>>
>> Hello
>>
>> I am in the process of ordering new spreaders and the supplier asked to
>> send the old bases so the holes can be properly aligned.
>>
>> The spreader bases are attached by screws.  I have soaked with
>> penetrating oil this evening and will soak over night.  I will bring a
>> torch over tomorrow.   Any other suggestions would be appreciated.  I would
>> prefer not to have to drill them out.
>>
>> See the attached link
>>
>> https://photos.app.goo.gl/RuDjmDNgWMELrcoR6
>> <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://photos.app.goo.gl/RuDjmDNgWMELrcoR6__;!!LIr3w8kk_Xxm!_YDV0dfhfM0bm4oRRrIN2bYFUpm1LbLr6TNmgNt20LmFcvMoKB8wOm6-Elhkuc_wvw0$>
>>
>> Thanks
>> Adam
>> C 36
>> Pictou NS
>>
>>
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>
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[ALAN BERGEN via CnC-List]

Don't use a screw extractor. If it breaks off in the screw, you won't be
able to drill it out.

Alan Bergen
35 Mk III Thirsty
Rose City YC
Portland, OR



On Thu, Jan 14, 2021 at 9:05 AM Blair Clark via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> saw a tip that says to use a rubber band between end of screw driver and
> the screw head to remove...also saw ads for easy outs such as
> https://www.facebook.com/watch/?ref=search=1900847170245951_log_id=59a32e32-c3eb-4e96-b54e-f66f1d09ce24=screw%20removal%20tool
> <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.facebook.com/watch/?ref=search=1900847170245951_log_id=59a32e32-c3eb-4e96-b54e-f66f1d09ce24=screw*20removal*20tool__;JSU!!LIr3w8kk_Xxm!_YDV0dfhfM0bm4oRRrIN2bYFUpm1LbLr6TNmgNt20LmFcvMoKB8wOm6-Elhkm_EL_SE$>
>
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>
>
> --
> *From:* Doug Mountjoy via CnC-List 
> *Sent:* January 14, 2021 12:18 PM
> *To:* Stus-List 
> *Cc:* Adam Hayden ; Doug Mountjoy <
> svrebeccal...@gmail.com>
> *Subject:* Stus-List Re: Screw removal
>
> Another trick is to use some valve grinding compound on the driver bit.
> This will help in not stripping out the screw head.
>
>
>
> Doug Mountjoy
> sv Rebecca Leah
> C Landfall 39
> Port Orchard yacht club
>
>  Original message 
> From: Adam Hayden via CnC-List 
> Date: 1/14/21 06:29 (GMT-05:00)
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Cc: Adam Hayden 
> Subject: Stus-List Screw removal
>
>
> Hello
>
> I am in the process of ordering new spreaders and the supplier asked to
> send the old bases so the holes can be properly aligned.
>
> The spreader bases are attached by screws.  I have soaked with penetrating
> oil this evening and will soak over night.  I will bring a torch over
> tomorrow.   Any other suggestions would be appreciated.  I would prefer not
> to have to drill them out.
>
> See the attached link
>
> https://photos.app.goo.gl/RuDjmDNgWMELrcoR6
> <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://photos.app.goo.gl/RuDjmDNgWMELrcoR6__;!!LIr3w8kk_Xxm!_YDV0dfhfM0bm4oRRrIN2bYFUpm1LbLr6TNmgNt20LmFcvMoKB8wOm6-Elhkuc_wvw0$>
>
> Thanks
> Adam
> C 36
> Pictou NS
>
>
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[Blair Clark via CnC-List]

saw a tip that says to use a rubber band between end of screw driver and the 
screw head to remove...also saw ads for easy outs such as 
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From: Doug Mountjoy via CnC-List 
Sent: January 14, 2021 12:18 PM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: Adam Hayden ; Doug Mountjoy 

Subject: Stus-List Re: Screw removal

Another trick is to use some valve grinding compound on the driver bit. This 
will help in not stripping out the screw head.



Doug Mountjoy
sv Rebecca Leah
C Landfall 39
Port Orchard yacht club

 Original message 
From: Adam Hayden via CnC-List 
Date: 1/14/21 06:29 (GMT-05:00)
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Adam Hayden 
Subject: Stus-List Screw removal


Hello

I am in the process of ordering new spreaders and the supplier asked to send 
the old bases so the holes can be properly aligned.

The spreader bases are attached by screws.  I have soaked with penetrating oil 
this evening and will soak over night.  I will bring a torch over tomorrow.   
Any other suggestions would be appreciated.  I would prefer not to have to 
drill them out.

See the attached link

https://photos.app.goo.gl/RuDjmDNgWMELrcoR6

Thanks
Adam
C 36
Pictou NS


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[ALAN BERGEN via CnC-List]

Adam:
I replaced my mast last year, and I have the spreaders which might fit your
boat. They are in decent condition, and if they fit your mast, you won't
have to remove the bases. If you think you might be interested, I can send
you pictures.

Alan Bergen
35 Mk III Thirsty
Rose City YC
Portland, OR



On Thu, Jan 14, 2021 at 5:34 AM WILLIAM WALKER via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Get an impact drill driver with the right size bit and likely will not
> have problem.
> Bill Walker
> C 36
> Pentwater, Mi.
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Adam Hayden via CnC-List 
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
> Cc: Adam Hayden 
> Sent: Thu, Jan 14, 2021 06:29 AM
> Subject: Stus-List Screw removal
>
>
>
> Hello
>
> I am in the process of ordering new spreaders and the supplier asked to
> send the old bases so the holes can be properly aligned.
>
> The spreader bases are attached by screws.  I have soaked with penetrating
> oil this evening and will soak over night.  I will bring a torch over
> tomorrow.   Any other suggestions would be appreciated.  I would prefer not
> to have to drill them out.
>
> See the attached link
>
> https://photos.app.goo.gl/RuDjmDNgWMELrcoR6
> 
>
>
> Thanks
> Adam
> C 36
> Pictou NS
>
>
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[James Hesketh via CnC-List]

Hello
>
> I am in the process of ordering new spreaders and the supplier asked to
> send the old bases so the holes can be properly aligned.
>
> The spreader bases are attached by screws.  I have soaked with penetrating
> oil this evening and will soak over night.  I will bring a torch over
> tomorrow.   Any other suggestions would be appreciated.  I would prefer not
> to have to drill them out.
>
>
Thinking outside of the box --

Might it be possible to mock up a pattern around the bases, with fiberglass
or thinish aluminum, drill it and send it to the supplier -- even cut off
the inner-ends of the old spreaders -- so he can use that to measure for
the holes in the new rather than deal with removing such well-attached
bases?

Just a thought,

Jim Hesketh
C 26 Whisper
Miami, FL
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Stus-List Re: Screw removal

[Doug Mountjoy via CnC-List]

Another trick is to use some valve grinding compound on the driver bit. This 
will help in not stripping out the screw head. Doug Mountjoysv Rebecca Leah C 
Landfall 39Port Orchard yacht club
 Original message From: Adam Hayden via CnC-List 
 Date: 1/14/21  06:29  (GMT-05:00) To: 
cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Adam Hayden  Subject: 
Stus-List Screw removal 



Hello


I am in the process of ordering new spreaders and the supplier asked to send 
the old bases so the holes can be properly aligned.


The spreader bases are attached by screws.  I have soaked with penetrating oil 
this evening and will soak over night.  I will bring a torch over tomorrow.   
Any other suggestions would be appreciated.  I would prefer
 not to have to drill them out.  


See the attached link 


https://photos.app.goo.gl/RuDjmDNgWMELrcoR6



Thanks
Adam
C 36
Pictou NS





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Stus-List Re: Screw removal

[Joel Aronson via CnC-List]

or this:
https://www.amazon.com/CRAFTSMAN-Impact-Driver-8-Inch-CMMT14104/dp/B07R96M9VW/ref=sr_1_9?crid=224QLOJ7DHJJH=1=impact+driver=1610640081=impact+driver%2Caps%2C172=8-9

Joel

On Thu, Jan 14, 2021 at 10:44 AM Dennis C. via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Good spot for one of these:
>
> https://www.amazon.com/GearWrench-85035-35-MicroDriver-Set/dp/B0062FSAVI
>
> Whereas I prefer an impact driver, this driver might also work.  Has a
> nice selection of bits.  Select the proper size Phillips, place it in the
> slots, apply loosening pressure and whack it with a hammer.
>
> This is my "go to" tool for a lot of jobs on the boat.  I have 3 sets;
> boat, truck, house.
>
>   --
> Dennis C.
> Touche' 35-1 #83
> Mandeville, LA
>
> On Thu, Jan 14, 2021 at 9:01 AM Debbie Jeffcoatt via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>> we removed ours yesterday from 1984 C by inserting large phillips
>> screwdriver bit tightly into head of screw, hitting it with a hammer
>> (vertically into the mast) to help break the corrosion seal and at the same
>> time using a vice-grip to apply turning pressure (CCW). It took a long time
>> for my wife and i to get the first one done, but after that with more
>> confidence and rapid hammer hits the next ones did not take so long. Make
>> sure the screwdriver bit is large enough and tightly into the bolt head as
>> you do not want to damage the phillips head or it is game over. Make sure
>> you strike the bit aquarely into the head. suggest you clean off any oil
>> around it to prevent slippage.
>> Good luck!
>> Jeff & Debbie J
>>
>>
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Stus-List Re: Screw removal

[Richard Bush via CnC-List]

 
 OK, Dennis, I bought 3 of them!

Richard
 s/v Bushmark4: 1985 C 37 CB: Oho River, Mile 596;

Richard N. Bush Law Offices 
2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine 
Louisville, Kentucky 40220-1462 
502-584-7255 
 
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From: Dennis C. via CnC-List 
To: Stus-List 
Cc: Dennis C. 
Sent: Thu, Jan 14, 2021 10:43 am
Subject: Stus-List Re: Screw removal

Good spot for one of these:
https://www.amazon.com/GearWrench-85035-35-MicroDriver-Set/dp/B0062FSAVI

Whereas I prefer an impact driver, this driver might also work.  Has a nice 
selection of bits.  Select the proper size Phillips, place it in the slots, 
apply loosening pressure and whack it with a hammer.
This is my "go to" tool for a lot of jobs on the boat.  I have 3 sets; boat, 
truck, house.
  -- 
Dennis C.Touche' 35-1 #83Mandeville, LA
On Thu, Jan 14, 2021 at 9:01 AM Debbie Jeffcoatt via CnC-List 
 wrote:

we removed ours yesterday from 1984 C by inserting large phillips 
screwdriver bit tightly into head of screw, hitting it with a hammer 
(vertically into the mast) to help break the corrosion seal and at the same 
time using a vice-grip to apply turning pressure (CCW). It took a long time for 
my wife and i to get the first one done, but after that with more confidence 
and rapid hammer hits the next ones did not take so long. Make sure the 
screwdriver bit is large enough and tightly into the bolt head as you do not 
want to damage the phillips head or it is game over. Make sure you strike the 
bit aquarely into the head. suggest you clean off any oil around it to prevent 
slippage.Good luck!Jeff & Debbie J



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Stus-List Re: Screw removal

[Dave S via CnC-List]

I have used an old school impact driver (the kind you hit with a hammer) with 
success in this situation.  Heat, penetrating oil, and patience as well. 

Dave. 33-2 Windstar

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 14, 2021, at 10:44 AM, Dennis C. via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> Good spot for one of these:
> 
> https://www.amazon.com/GearWrench-85035-35-MicroDriver-Set/dp/B0062FSAVI
> 
> Whereas I prefer an impact driver, this driver might also work.  Has a nice 
> selection of bits.  Select the proper size Phillips, place it in the slots, 
> apply loosening pressure and whack it with a hammer.
> 
> This is my "go to" tool for a lot of jobs on the boat.  I have 3 sets; boat, 
> truck, house.
> 
>   -- 
> Dennis C.
> Touche' 35-1 #83
> Mandeville, LA
> 
>> On Thu, Jan 14, 2021 at 9:01 AM Debbie Jeffcoatt via CnC-List 
>>  wrote:
>> we removed ours yesterday from 1984 C by inserting large phillips 
>> screwdriver bit tightly into head of screw, hitting it with a hammer 
>> (vertically into the mast) to help break the corrosion seal and at the same 
>> time using a vice-grip to apply turning pressure (CCW). It took a long time 
>> for my wife and i to get the first one done, but after that with more 
>> confidence and rapid hammer hits the next ones did not take so long. Make 
>> sure the screwdriver bit is large enough and tightly into the bolt head as 
>> you do not want to damage the phillips head or it is game over. Make sure 
>> you strike the bit aquarely into the head. suggest you clean off any oil 
>> around it to prevent slippage.
>> Good luck!
>> Jeff & Debbie J
>> 
>> 
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[Dennis C. via CnC-List]

Good spot for one of these:

https://www.amazon.com/GearWrench-85035-35-MicroDriver-Set/dp/B0062FSAVI

Whereas I prefer an impact driver, this driver might also work.  Has a nice
selection of bits.  Select the proper size Phillips, place it in the slots,
apply loosening pressure and whack it with a hammer.

This is my "go to" tool for a lot of jobs on the boat.  I have 3 sets;
boat, truck, house.

  --
Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA

On Thu, Jan 14, 2021 at 9:01 AM Debbie Jeffcoatt via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> we removed ours yesterday from 1984 C by inserting large phillips
> screwdriver bit tightly into head of screw, hitting it with a hammer
> (vertically into the mast) to help break the corrosion seal and at the same
> time using a vice-grip to apply turning pressure (CCW). It took a long time
> for my wife and i to get the first one done, but after that with more
> confidence and rapid hammer hits the next ones did not take so long. Make
> sure the screwdriver bit is large enough and tightly into the bolt head as
> you do not want to damage the phillips head or it is game over. Make sure
> you strike the bit aquarely into the head. suggest you clean off any oil
> around it to prevent slippage.
> Good luck!
> Jeff & Debbie J
>
>
>
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[Debbie Jeffcoatt via CnC-List]

we removed ours yesterday from 1984 C by inserting large phillips
screwdriver bit tightly into head of screw, hitting it with a hammer
(vertically into the mast) to help break the corrosion seal and at the same
time using a vice-grip to apply turning pressure (CCW). It took a long time
for my wife and i to get the first one done, but after that with more
confidence and rapid hammer hits the next ones did not take so long. Make
sure the screwdriver bit is large enough and tightly into the bolt head as
you do not want to damage the phillips head or it is game over. Make sure
you strike the bit aquarely into the head. suggest you clean off any oil
around it to prevent slippage.
Good luck!
Jeff & Debbie J

On Thu, Jan 14, 2021 at 7:48 AM Richard Gotthardt via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> https://www.harborfreight.com/impact-screwdriver-set-with-case-37530.html
>
> On Thu, Jan 14, 2021 at 5:41 AM Graham Collins via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>> Impact driver.
>>
>> Graham Collins
>> Secret Plans
>> C 35-III #11
>>
>> On 2021-01-14 7:29 a.m., Adam Hayden via CnC-List wrote:
>>
>>
>> Hello
>>
>> I am in the process of ordering new spreaders and the supplier asked to
>> send the old bases so the holes can be properly aligned.
>>
>> The spreader bases are attached by screws.  I have soaked with
>> penetrating oil this evening and will soak over night.  I will bring a
>> torch over tomorrow.   Any other suggestions would be appreciated.  I would
>> prefer not to have to drill them out.
>>
>> See the attached link
>>
>> https://photos.app.goo.gl/RuDjmDNgWMELrcoR6
>>
>> Thanks
>> Adam
>> C 36
>> Pictou NS
>>
>>
>>
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Stus-List Re: Screw removal

[Bill Coleman via CnC-List]

Another handy tool, is the counter clockwise drill bit.

An easy-out kit I bought once came with them, even cobalt!

 

https://www.mscdirect.com/product/details/05083837?fromRR=Y

 

 

Bill Coleman

Entrada, Erie, PA

 

 

 

From: WILLIAM WALKER via CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com] 
Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2021 8:41 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: WILLIAM WALKER
Subject: Stus-List Re: Screw removal

 

I agree with Jeff, likely will be unable to reuse the threaded holes, but I bet 
the impact driver will remove.  I have then drilled, tapped and installed 
slightly larger machine screw with anti seize.  Good luck.

Bill Walker 


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To: cnc-list 
Cc: Jeff Nelson 
Sent: Thu, Jan 14, 2021 07:50 AM
Subject: Stus-List Re: Screw removal



If those are stainless steel screws in Aluminum without any protection, they've 
likely welded/corroded
themselves to the aluminum.  You will likely only get them out with a drill.  
You will then 
have to re-tap the holes, or use a threaded insert to remount your spreader.  
If you do get them
off, when you put new in use a lot of never seize compound or teflon to 
separate the two materials.

You might get lucky if you just drill the heads off the screws to get a vice 
grip on them for more 
power.  I've never had much luck with them tho.

Cheers,
  Jeff Nelson
  Muir Caileag
  C 30 0549

On 2021-01-14 7:29 a.m., Adam Hayden via CnC-List wrote:

 

Hello

 

I am in the process of ordering new spreaders and the supplier asked to send 
the old bases so the holes can be properly aligned.

 

The spreader bases are attached by screws.  I have soaked with penetrating oil 
this evening and will soak over night.  I will bring a torch over tomorrow.   
Any other suggestions would be appreciated.  I would prefer not to have to 
drill them out.  

 

See the attached link 

 

 <https://photos.app.goo.gl/RuDjmDNgWMELrcoR6> 
https://photos.app.goo.gl/RuDjmDNgWMELrcoR6

 

Thanks

Adam

C 36

Pictou NS

 

 

 

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Stus-List Re: Screw removal

[WILLIAM WALKER via CnC-List]

I agree with Jeff, likely will be unable to reuse the threaded holes, but I bet 
the impact driver will remove.  I have then drilled, tapped and installed 
slightly larger machine screw with anti seize.  Good luck.Bill Walker 


-Original Message-
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To: cnc-list 
Cc: Jeff Nelson 
Sent: Thu, Jan 14, 2021 07:50 AM
Subject: Stus-List Re: Screw removal


 If those are stainless steel screws in Aluminum without any protection, 
they've likely welded/corroded
 themselves to the aluminum.  You will likely only get them out with a drill.  
You will then 
 have to re-tap the holes, or use a threaded insert to remount your spreader.  
If you do get them
 off, when you put new in use a lot of never seize compound or teflon to 
separate the two materials.
 
 You might get lucky if you just drill the heads off the screws to get a vice 
grip on them for more 
 power.  I've never had much luck with them tho.
 
 Cheers,
   Jeff Nelson
   Muir Caileag
   C 30 0549
 
 On 2021-01-14 7:29 a.m., Adam Hayden via CnC-List wrote:
  
 

   Hello 
  I am in the process of ordering new spreaders and the supplier asked to send 
the old bases so the holes can be properly aligned. 
  The spreader bases are attached by screws.  I have soaked with penetrating 
oil this evening and will soak over night.  I will bring a torch over tomorrow. 
  Any other suggestions would be appreciated.  I would prefer not to have to 
drill them out.   
  See the attached link  
  https://photos.app.goo.gl/RuDjmDNgWMELrcoR6
  
  Thanks Adam C 36 Pictou NS 
   
  
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Stus-List Re: Screw removal

[WILLIAM WALKER via CnC-List]

Get an impact drill driver with the right size bit and likely will not have 
problem.Bill Walker C 36Pentwater, Mi.


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Cc: Adam Hayden 
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Subject: Stus-List Screw removal



Hello
I am in the process of ordering new spreaders and the supplier asked to send 
the old bases so the holes can be properly aligned.
The spreader bases are attached by screws.  I have soaked with penetrating oil 
this evening and will soak over night.  I will bring a torch over tomorrow.   
Any other suggestions would be appreciated.  I would prefer not to have to 
drill them out.  
See the attached link 
https://photos.app.goo.gl/RuDjmDNgWMELrcoR6

ThanksAdamC 36Pictou NS

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Stus-List Re: Screw removal

[Bruce Whitmore via CnC-List]

I've got to agree with Jeff on this one,  though certainly try soaking the
screws in penetrating oil, applying heat to the surrounding area and using
an impact hammer.  Realistically,  they are probably fused.

Bruce Whitmore
1994 C 37/40+
"Astralis"
Madeira Beach, FL
(847) 404-5092

On Thu, Jan 14, 2021, 7:49 AM Jeff Nelson via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> If those are stainless steel screws in Aluminum without any protection,
> they've likely welded/corroded
> themselves to the aluminum.  You will likely only get them out with a
> drill.  You will then
> have to re-tap the holes, or use a threaded insert to remount your
> spreader.  If you do get them
> off, when you put new in use a lot of never seize compound or teflon to
> separate the two materials.
>
> You might get lucky if you just drill the heads off the screws to get a
> vice grip on them for more
> power.  I've never had much luck with them tho.
>
> Cheers,
>   Jeff Nelson
>   Muir Caileag
>   C 30 0549
>
> On 2021-01-14 7:29 a.m., Adam Hayden via CnC-List wrote:
>
>
> Hello
>
> I am in the process of ordering new spreaders and the supplier asked to
> send the old bases so the holes can be properly aligned.
>
> The spreader bases are attached by screws.  I have soaked with penetrating
> oil this evening and will soak over night.  I will bring a torch over
> tomorrow.   Any other suggestions would be appreciated.  I would prefer not
> to have to drill them out.
>
> See the attached link
>
> https://photos.app.goo.gl/RuDjmDNgWMELrcoR6
>
> Thanks
> Adam
> C 36
> Pictou NS
>
>
>
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[Jeff Nelson via CnC-List]

If those are stainless steel screws in Aluminum without any protection, 
they've likely welded/corroded
themselves to the aluminum.  You will likely only get them out with a 
drill.  You will then
have to re-tap the holes, or use a threaded insert to remount your 
spreader.  If you do get them
off, when you put new in use a lot of never seize compound or teflon to 
separate the two materials.


You might get lucky if you just drill the heads off the screws to get a 
vice grip on them for more

power.  I've never had much luck with them tho.

Cheers,
  Jeff Nelson
  Muir Caileag
  C 30 0549

On 2021-01-14 7:29 a.m., Adam Hayden via CnC-List wrote:


Hello

I am in the process of ordering new spreaders and the supplier asked 
to send the old bases so the holes can be properly aligned.


The spreader bases are attached by screws.  I have soaked with 
penetrating oil this evening and will soak over night.  I will bring a 
torch over tomorrow.   Any other suggestions would be appreciated.  I 
would prefer not to have to drill them out.


See the attached link

https://photos.app.goo.gl/RuDjmDNgWMELrcoR6 



Thanks
Adam
C 36
Pictou NS



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[Richard Gotthardt via CnC-List]

https://www.harborfreight.com/impact-screwdriver-set-with-case-37530.html

On Thu, Jan 14, 2021 at 5:41 AM Graham Collins via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Impact driver.
>
> Graham Collins
> Secret Plans
> C 35-III #11
>
> On 2021-01-14 7:29 a.m., Adam Hayden via CnC-List wrote:
>
>
> Hello
>
> I am in the process of ordering new spreaders and the supplier asked to
> send the old bases so the holes can be properly aligned.
>
> The spreader bases are attached by screws.  I have soaked with penetrating
> oil this evening and will soak over night.  I will bring a torch over
> tomorrow.   Any other suggestions would be appreciated.  I would prefer not
> to have to drill them out.
>
> See the attached link
>
> https://photos.app.goo.gl/RuDjmDNgWMELrcoR6
>
> Thanks
> Adam
> C 36
> Pictou NS
>
>
>
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Stus-List Re: Screw removal

[Graham Collins via CnC-List]

Impact driver.

Graham Collins
Secret Plans
C 35-III #11

On 2021-01-14 7:29 a.m., Adam Hayden via CnC-List wrote:


Hello

I am in the process of ordering new spreaders and the supplier asked 
to send the old bases so the holes can be properly aligned.


The spreader bases are attached by screws.  I have soaked with 
penetrating oil this evening and will soak over night.  I will bring a 
torch over tomorrow.   Any other suggestions would be appreciated.  I 
would prefer not to have to drill them out.


See the attached link

https://photos.app.goo.gl/RuDjmDNgWMELrcoR6 



Thanks
Adam
C 36
Pictou NS



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