Re: Stus-List Rod Rigging Tension C 32

2017-06-28 Thread Ronald B. Frerker via CnC-List 
Wasn't there a booklet that came with it?  Gave the deformation vs. actual 
tension for a given size wire.If you don't have it, there may be one 
online.RonWild CheriC 30-1STL


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I have a 1971 C 35 mk1 with an old style rig tension gauge (see pics as 
follow   
https://www.dropbox.com/sc/y2fsam4l5vrvz7v/AAAzwvyuC7njm3lEGi3xNJ1SaAnyone have 
instructions on how to use this old style gauge?
It has a scale reading from 1 to about 3. 

Cheers, James


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To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
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Subject: Re: Stus-List Rod Rigging Tension C 32

All, I can share my recent experience on this.  I had Loos gauges for my old 
Catalina with stranded rigging and came to like having that piece of mind.  
When I bought my C with rod, I had trouble with the cost of the RT-10 and did 
not buy one for several years.
I put out an inquiry several weeks ago and Harry Hallgring from the list was 
kind enough to ship me his gauge to try.   It turned out that in previous years 
I was nowhere near tight enough doing it by feel, the gauge gave me the 
confidence to tighten them down properly.  I can confirm that it has made a 
substantial difference in how the boat sails and eliminated some issues we had 
with differences between tacks.
I was also surprised at how quickly the tension changes with rod as Rob points 
out below.  Once you get to a certain tension, the gauge moves rapidly with 
only a little movement of the turnbuckle.
Long story short, I am now sold on the value of the RT-10, though it still 
seems like a lot to pay.  I started looking for a used one, but came across new 
ones at the Binnacle's US site 
(http://us.binnacle.com/product_info.php?products_id=9150) for $426, no tax and 
free shipping.  That seemed too good to pass up and I was not sure how long it 
would last, so I am now the owner of an RT-10.
Jim Reinardy 
C 30-2 "Firewater"
Milwaukee, WI 


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 Subject: Re: Stus-List Rod Rigging Tension C 32
 From: Dave S via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
 Date: Wed, June 14, 2017 7:55 am
 To: "C Stus List" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
 Cc: Dave S <syerd...@gmail.com>
 
Thanks.  I lack both experience and empirical data, (no gauge) so your input 
really helps.  I suspect that I simply did not set it up correctly 
initially.  Last week's sail was in 14-16kts, gusts to 19, rare-ish here, a 
fair bit of "bash and crash" and first time this season, so any microbends 
certainly got unbent, and the unseated was seated.
Dave



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Subject: Stus-List Rod Rigging Tension C 32
Dave:

I can't add much to what Josh has stated.  Each Spring, the mast is stepped, I 
set the rig tensioned the same as every year.even if my boat sits at the 
dock, the shroud tension will ease a bit...maybe as much as 100 lbs. or 5% to 
7% of the initial tension.  

One half turn on my turnbuckle is not a lot of 'actual distance' gained or 
losed.as Josh says "a micro bend". however, if I leave the gauge on the 
shroud when the turnbuckle is tightened or loosened, it will move the gauge 
accordingly.

Without the Loos RT 10, I am merely guessing the rig tension..under 
tensioning is obvious when you take the boat out under sail.over tensioning 
is not as easy to detect. 

I come from a racing background where rig tension is paramount.we were 
constantly adjusting it to suit the conditions on race day..sometimes up 
and down between races on the same day   While I don't race AZURA, old habits 
like rig tensioning has remained with me.  

Rob Abbott
 AZURA
 C 32 - 84
 Halifax, N.S.

On 2017-06-13 5:45 PM, Josh Muckley via CnC-List wrote:

"How do I gauge?" - this is the argument for paying $500 for the Loos Tension 
gauge, otherwise you are just guessing.
I believe there are micro bends, stretches, seating, and flexing throughout the 
system which allow the rig to loosen up.  With such low stretch rod rigging 
only a fraction of an inch can be the difference between hundreds of pounds of 
tension and zero pounds.
Josh MuckleyS/V Sea Hawk1989 C 37+Solomons, MD



On Jun 13, 2017 12:40 PM, "Dave S via CnC-List" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

Timely...  I set up my rigging per the instructions in the owners manual 
immediately after launch, and Windstar sat for a few weeks other than a couple 
of very gentle sails.  Finally got to give her a righteous thrashing last 
weekend and I returned with slack upper shrouds - a bit alarm

Re: Stus-List Rod Rigging Tension C 32

2017-06-15 Thread schiller via CnC-List 

I will send you the instructions for the one that I have off list.

Neil Schiller
1970 Redwing 35, Hull #7
(C 35, Mark I)
"Corsair"
White Lake, Michigan

On 6/14/2017 10:18 PM, Jim via CnC-List wrote:
I have a 1971 C 35 mk1 with an old style rig tension gauge (see pics 
as follow 
https://www.dropbox.com/sc/y2fsam4l5vrvz7v/AAAzwvyuC7njm3lEGi3xNJ1Sa

Anyone have instructions on how to use this old style gauge?
It has a scale reading from 1 to about 3.

Cheers, James



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*Subject: *Re: Stus-List Rod Rigging Tension C 32

All, I can share my recent experience on this.  I had Loos gauges for 
my old Catalina with stranded rigging and came to like having that 
piece of mind.  When I bought my C with rod, I had trouble with the 
cost of the RT-10 and did not buy one for several years.


I put out an inquiry several weeks ago and Harry Hallgring from the 
list was kind enough to ship me his gauge to try.   It turned out that 
in previous years I was nowhere near tight enough doing it by feel, 
the gauge gave me the confidence to tighten them down properly. I can 
confirm that it has made a substantial difference in how the boat 
sails and eliminated some issues we had with differences between tacks.


I was also surprised at how quickly the tension changes with rod as 
Rob points out below.  Once you get to a certain tension, the gauge 
moves rapidly with only a little movement of the turnbuckle.


Long story short, I am now sold on the value of the RT-10, though it 
still seems like a lot to pay.  I started looking for a used one, but 
came across new ones at the Binnacle's US site 
(http://us.binnacle.com/product_info.php?products_id=9150) for $426, 
no tax and free shipping.  That seemed too good to pass up and I was 
not sure how long it would last, so I am now the owner of an RT-10.


Jim Reinardy
C 30-2 "Firewater"
Milwaukee, WI


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From: Dave S via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com
<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
Date: Wed, June 14, 2017 7:55 am
To: "C Stus List" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com
<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
Cc: Dave S <syerd...@gmail.com <mailto:syerd...@gmail.com>>

Thanks.  I lack both experience and empirical data, (no gauge) so
your input really helps. I suspect that I simply did not set it up
correctly initially.  Last week's sail was in 14-16kts, gusts to
19, rare-ish here, a fair bit of "bash and crash" and first time
this season, so any microbends certainly got unbent, and the
unseated was seated.

Dave




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Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2017 09:55:31 -0300
Subject: Stus-List Rod Rigging Tension C 32
Dave:

I can't add much to what Josh has stated.  Each Spring, the mast
is stepped, I set the rig tensioned the same as every
year.even if my boat sits at the dock, the shroud tension will
ease a bit...maybe as much as 100 lbs. or 5% to 7% of the initial
tension.

One half turn on my turnbuckle is not a lot of 'actual distance'
gained or losed.as Josh says "a micro bend". however, if I
leave the gauge on the shroud when the turnbuckle is tightened or
loosened, it will move the gauge accordingly.

Without the Loos RT 10, I am merely guessing the rig
tension..under tensioning is obvious when you take the boat
out under sail.over tensioning is not as easy to detect.

I come from a racing background where rig tension is
paramount.we were constantly adjusting it to suit the
conditions on race day..sometimes up and down between races on
the same day   While I don't race AZURA, old habits like rig
tensioning has remained with me.

Rob Abbott
AZURA
C 32 - 84
Halifax, N.S.

On 2017-06-13 5:45 PM, Josh Muckley via CnC-List wrote:

"How do I gauge?" - this is the argument for paying $500 for
the Loos Tension gauge, otherwise you are just guessing.

I believe there are micro bends, stretches, seating, and
flexing throughout the system which allow the rig to loosen
up.  With such low stretch rod rigging only a fraction of an
inch can be the difference between hundreds of pounds of
tension and zero pounds.

Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C 37+
Solomons, MD




On Jun 13, 2017 12:40 PM, "Dave S via

Re: Stus-List Rod Rigging Tension C 32

2017-06-15 Thread Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List 
Hi Jim

It looks like you clip the two ends over the wire and the rod with the spring 
rests against wire and then you read numbers on the scimptar shaped scale.  
This is only a guess mind you.

What this gives you is a measure.  You would then have to tune the rig while 
sailing and record the readings.  This will give you easily repeatable settings

Mike

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Subject: Re: Stus-List Rod Rigging Tension C 32

I have a 1971 C 35 mk1 with an old style rig tension gauge (see pics as 
follow   
https://www.dropbox.com/sc/y2fsam4l5vrvz7v/AAAzwvyuC7njm3lEGi3xNJ1Sa
Anyone have instructions on how to use this old style gauge?
It has a scale reading from 1 to about 3.

Cheers, James



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<cnc-list@cnc-list.com<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
Cc: firewa...@reinardy.us<mailto:firewa...@reinardy.us>
Sent: Wednesday, June 14, 2017 12:29:36 PM
Subject: Re: Stus-List Rod Rigging Tension C 32

All, I can share my recent experience on this.  I had Loos gauges for my old 
Catalina with stranded rigging and came to like having that piece of mind.  
When I bought my C with rod, I had trouble with the cost of the RT-10 and did 
not buy one for several years.

I put out an inquiry several weeks ago and Harry Hallgring from the list was 
kind enough to ship me his gauge to try.   It turned out that in previous years 
I was nowhere near tight enough doing it by feel, the gauge gave me the 
confidence to tighten them down properly.  I can confirm that it has made a 
substantial difference in how the boat sails and eliminated some issues we had 
with differences between tacks.


I was also surprised at how quickly the tension changes with rod as Rob points 
out below.  Once you get to a certain tension, the gauge moves rapidly with 
only a little movement of the turnbuckle.


Long story short, I am now sold on the value of the RT-10, though it still 
seems like a lot to pay.  I started looking for a used one, but came across new 
ones at the Binnacle's US site 
(http://us.binnacle.com/product_info.php?products_id=9150) for $426, no tax and 
free shipping.  That seemed too good to pass up and I was not sure how long it 
would last, so I am now the owner of an RT-10.

Jim Reinardy
C 30-2 "Firewater"
Milwaukee, WI


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Subject: Re: Stus-List Rod Rigging Tension C 32
From: Dave S via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
Date: Wed, June 14, 2017 7:55 am
To: "C Stus List" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
Cc: Dave S <syerd...@gmail.com<mailto:syerd...@gmail.com>>
Thanks.  I lack both experience and empirical data, (no gauge) so your input 
really helps.  I suspect that I simply did not set it up correctly 
initially.  Last week's sail was in 14-16kts, gusts to 19, rare-ish here, a 
fair bit of "bash and crash" and first time this season, so any microbends 
certainly got unbent, and the unseated was seated.

Dave




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Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2017 09:55:31 -0300
Subject: Stus-List Rod Rigging Tension C 32
Dave:

I can't add much to what Josh has stated.  Each Spring, the mast is stepped, I 
set the rig tensioned the same as every year.even if my boat sits at the 
dock, the shroud tension will ease a bit...maybe as much as 100 lbs. or 5% to 
7% of the initial tension.

One half turn on my turnbuckle is not a lot of 'actual distance' gained or 
losed.as Josh says "a micro bend". however, if I leave the gauge on the 
shroud when the turnbuckle is tightened or loosened, it will move the gauge 
accordingly.

Without the Loos RT 10, I am merely guessing the rig tension..under 
tensioning is obvious when you take the boat out under sail.over tensioning 
is not as easy to detect.

I come from a racing background where rig tension is paramount.we were 
constantly adjusting it to suit the conditions on race day..sometimes up 
and down between races on the same day   While I don't race AZURA, old habits 
like rig tensioning has remained with me.

Rob Abbott
AZURA
C 32 - 84
Halifax, N.S.

On 2017-06-13 5:45 PM, Josh Muckley via CnC-List wrote:
"How do I gauge?" - this is the argument for paying $500 for the Loos Tension 
gauge, otherwise you are just guessing.

I believe there are micro bends, stretches, seating, and flexing throughout the 
system which allow the rig to loosen up.  With such low stretch rod rigging 
only a fraction of an inch can be the

Re: Stus-List Rod Rigging Tension C 32

2017-06-14 Thread Jim via CnC-List 
I have a 1971 C 35 mk1 with an old style rig tension gauge (see pics as 
follow https://www.dropbox.com/sc/y2fsam4l5vrvz7v/AAAzwvyuC7njm3lEGi3xNJ1Sa 
Anyone have instructions on how to use this old style gauge? 
It has a scale reading from 1 to about 3. 

Cheers, James 


- Original Message -

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To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Cc: firewa...@reinardy.us 
Sent: Wednesday, June 14, 2017 12:29:36 PM 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Rod Rigging Tension C 32 

All, I can share my recent experience on this. I had Loos gauges for my old 
Catalina with stranded rigging and came to like having that piece of mind. When 
I bought my C with rod, I had trouble with the cost of the RT-10 and did not 
buy one for several years. 

I put out an inquiry several weeks ago and Harry Hallgring from the list was 
kind enough to ship me his gauge to try. It turned out that in previous years I 
was nowhere near tight enough doing it by feel, the gauge gave me the 
confidence to tighten them down properly. I can confirm that it has made a 
substantial difference in how the boat sails and eliminated some issues we had 
with differences between tacks. 

I was also surprised at how quickly the tension changes with rod as Rob points 
out below. Once you get to a certain tension, the gauge moves rapidly with only 
a little movement of the turnbuckle. 

Long story short, I am now sold on the value of the RT-10, though it still 
seems like a lot to pay. I started looking for a used one, but came across new 
ones at the Binnacle's US site ( 
http://us.binnacle.com/product_info.php?products_id=9150 ) for $426, no tax and 
free shipping. That seemed too good to pass up and I was not sure how long it 
would last, so I am now the owner of an RT-10. 

Jim Reinardy 
C 30-2 "Firewater" 
Milwaukee, WI 





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Subject: Re: Stus-List Rod Rigging Tension C 32 
From: Dave S via CnC-List < cnc-list@cnc-list.com > 
Date: Wed, June 14, 2017 7:55 am 
To: "C Stus List" < cnc-list@cnc-list.com > 
Cc: Dave S < syerd...@gmail.com > 

Thanks. I lack both experience and empirical data, (no gauge) so your input 
really helps. I suspect that I simply did not set it up correctly initially. 
Last week's sail was in 14-16kts, gusts to 19, rare-ish here, a fair bit of 
"bash and crash" and first time this season, so any microbends certainly got 
unbent, and the unseated was seated. 

Dave 




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Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2017 09:55:31 -0300 
Subject: Stus-List Rod Rigging Tension C 32 
Dave: 

I can't add much to what Josh has stated. Each Spring, the mast is stepped, I 
set the rig tensioned the same as every year.even if my boat sits at the 
dock, the shroud tension will ease a bit...maybe as much as 100 lbs. or 5% to 
7% of the initial tension. 

One half turn on my turnbuckle is not a lot of 'actual distance' gained or 
losed.as Josh says "a micro bend". however, if I leave the gauge on the 
shroud when the turnbuckle is tightened or loosened, it will move the gauge 
accordingly. 

Without the Loos RT 10, I am merely guessing the rig tension..under 
tensioning is obvious when you take the boat out under sail.over tensioning 
is not as easy to detect. 

I come from a racing background where rig tension is paramount.we were 
constantly adjusting it to suit the conditions on race day..sometimes up 
and down between races on the same day While I don't race AZURA, old habits 
like rig tensioning has remained with me. 

Rob Abbott 
AZURA 
C 32 - 84 
Halifax, N.S. 

On 2017-06-13 5:45 PM, Josh Muckley via CnC-List wrote: 



"How do I gauge?" - this is the argument for paying $500 for the Loos Tension 
gauge, otherwise you are just guessing. 

I believe there are micro bends, stretches, seating, and flexing throughout the 
system which allow the rig to loosen up. With such low stretch rod rigging only 
a fraction of an inch can be the difference between hundreds of pounds of 
tension and zero pounds. 

Josh Muckley 
S/V Sea Hawk 
1989 C 37+ 
Solomons, MD 




On Jun 13, 2017 12:40 PM, "Dave S via CnC-List" < cnc-list@cnc-list.com > 
wrote: 



Timely... 
I set up my rigging per the instructions in the owners manual immediately after 
launch, and Windstar sat for a few weeks other than a couple of very gentle 
sails. Finally got to give her a righteous thrashing last weekend and I 
returned with slack upper shrouds - a bit alarming. Lowers and mids not 
obviously changed, mast step not collapsing, chainplates not failing. 
I suspect I had not adequately tightened the uppers. A neighbor explained that 
his boat changes shape a bit once launched (or rather, sitting on the cradle 
all winter distorts it a bit.) 

Without a gauge, how do I gau

Re: Stus-List Rod Rigging Tension C 32

2017-06-14 Thread Jim Reinardy via CnC-List 
All, I can share my recent experience on this.  I had Loos gauges for my old Catalina with stranded rigging and came to like having that piece of mind.  When I bought my C with rod, I had trouble with the cost of the RT-10 and did not buy one for several years.I put out an inquiry several weeks ago and Harry Hallgring from the list was kind enough to ship me his gauge to try.   It turned out that in previous years I was nowhere near tight enough doing it by feel, the gauge gave me the confidence to tighten them down properly.  I can confirm that it has made a substantial difference in how the boat sails and eliminated some issues we had with differences between tacks.I was also surprised at how quickly the tension changes with rod as Rob points out below.  Once you get to a certain tension, the gauge moves rapidly with only a little movement of the turnbuckle.Long story short, I am now sold on the value of the RT-10, though it still seems like a lot to pay.  I started looking for a used one, but came across new ones at the Binnacle's US site (http://us.binnacle.com/product_info.php?products_id=9150) for $426, no tax and free shipping.  That seemed too good to pass up and I was not sure how long it would last, so I am now the owner of an RT-10.Jim Reinardy C 30-2 "Firewater"Milwaukee, WI 


 Original Message 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Rod Rigging Tension C 32
From: Dave S via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
Date: Wed, June 14, 2017 7:55 am
To: "C Stus List" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
Cc: Dave S <syerd...@gmail.com>

Thanks.  I lack both experience and empirical data, (no gauge) so your input really helps.  I suspect that I simply did not set it up correctly initially.  Last week's sail was in 14-16kts, gusts to 19, rare-ish here, a fair bit of "bash and crash" and first time this season, so any microbends certainly got unbent, and the unseated was seated.Dave-- Forwarded message --From: robert <robertabb...@eastlink.ca>To: cnc-list@cnc-list.comCc: Bcc: Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2017 09:55:31 -0300Subject: Stus-List Rod Rigging Tension C 32 Dave: I can't add much to what Josh has stated.  Each Spring, the mast is stepped, I set the rig tensioned the same as every year.even if my boat sits at the dock, the shroud tension will ease a bit...maybe as much as 100 lbs. or 5% to 7% of the initial tension.   One half turn on my turnbuckle is not a lot of 'actual distance' gained or losed.as Josh says "a micro bend". however, if I leave the gauge on the shroud when the turnbuckle is tightened or loosened, it will move the gauge accordingly. Without the Loos RT 10, I am merely guessing the rig tension..under tensioning is obvious when you take the boat out under sail.over tensioning is not as easy to detect.  I come from a racing background where rig tension is paramount.we were constantly adjusting it to suit the conditions on race day..sometimes up and down between races on the same day   While I don't race AZURA, old habits like rig tensioning has remained with me.   Rob Abbott AZURA C 32 - 84 Halifax, N.S.On 2017-06-13 5:45 PM, Josh Muckley via CnC-List wrote:"How do I gauge?" - this is the argument for paying $500 for the Loos Tension gauge, otherwise you are just guessing. I believe there are micro bends, stretches, seating, and flexing throughout the system which allow the rig to loosen up.  With such low stretch rod rigging only a fraction of an inch can be the difference between hundreds of pounds of tension and zero pounds.Josh MuckleyS/V Sea Hawk1989 C 37+Solomons, MDOn Jun 13, 2017 12:40 PM, "Dave S via CnC-List" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:Timely...   I set up my rigging per the instructions in the owners manual immediately after launch, and Windstar sat for a few weeks other than a couple of very gentle sails.  Finally got to give her a righteous thrashing last weekend and I returned with slack upper shrouds - a bit alarming.  Lowers and mids not obviously changed, mast step not collapsing, chainplates not failing. I suspect I had not adequately tightened the uppers.  A neighbor explained that his boat changes shape a bit once launched (or rather, sitting on the cradle all winter distorts it a bit.) Without a gauge, how do I gauge that ensure that the shrouds are tight enough?  Deflection?What is it that re-seats and settles when the rig is first set up?Tx.Dave ___

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Re: Stus-List Rod Rigging Tension C 32

2017-06-14 Thread Dave S via CnC-List 
Thanks.  I lack both experience and empirical data, (no gauge) so your
input really helps.  I suspect that I simply did not set it up
correctly initially.  Last week's sail was in 14-16kts, gusts to 19,
rare-ish here, a fair bit of "bash and crash" and first time this season,
so any microbends certainly got unbent, and the unseated was seated.

Dave




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Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2017 09:55:31 -0300
Subject: Stus-List Rod Rigging Tension C 32
Dave:

I can't add much to what Josh has stated.  Each Spring, the mast is
stepped, I set the rig tensioned the same as every year.even if my boat
sits at the dock, the shroud tension will ease a bit...maybe as much as 100
lbs. or 5% to 7% of the initial tension.

One half turn on my turnbuckle is not a lot of 'actual distance' gained or
losed.as Josh says "a micro bend". however, if I leave the gauge on
the shroud when the turnbuckle is tightened or loosened, it will move the
gauge accordingly.

Without the Loos RT 10, I am merely guessing the rig tension..under
tensioning is obvious when you take the boat out under sail.over
tensioning is not as easy to detect.

I come from a racing background where rig tension is paramount.we were
constantly adjusting it to suit the conditions on race day..sometimes
up and down between races on the same day   While I don't race AZURA, old
habits like rig tensioning has remained with me.

Rob Abbott
AZURA
C 32 - 84
Halifax, N.S.

On 2017-06-13 5:45 PM, Josh Muckley via CnC-List wrote:

"How do I gauge?" - this is the argument for paying $500 for the Loos
Tension gauge, otherwise you are just guessing.

I believe there are micro bends, stretches, seating, and flexing throughout
the system which allow the rig to loosen up.  With such low stretch rod
rigging only a fraction of an inch can be the difference between hundreds
of pounds of tension and zero pounds.

Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C 37+
Solomons, MD




On Jun 13, 2017 12:40 PM, "Dave S via CnC-List" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
wrote:

> Timely...
> I set up my rigging per the instructions in the owners manual immediately
> after launch, and Windstar sat for a few weeks other than a couple of very
> gentle sails.  Finally got to give her a righteous thrashing last weekend
> and I returned with slack upper shrouds - a bit alarming.  Lowers and mids
> not obviously changed, mast step not collapsing, chainplates not failing.
> I suspect I had not adequately tightened the uppers.  A neighbor explained
> that his boat changes shape a bit once launched (or rather, sitting on the
> cradle all winter distorts it a bit.)
>
> Without a gauge, how do I gauge that ensure that the shrouds are tight
> enough?  Deflection?
>
> What is it that re-seats and settles when the rig is first set up?
>
> Tx.
>
> Dave
>
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Stus-List Rod Rigging Tension C 32

2017-06-14 Thread robert via CnC-List 

Dave:

I can't add much to what Josh has stated.  Each Spring, the mast is 
stepped, I set the rig tensioned the same as every year.even if my 
boat sits at the dock, the shroud tension will ease a bit...maybe as 
much as 100 lbs. or 5% to 7% of the initial tension.


One half turn on my turnbuckle is not a lot of 'actual distance' gained 
or losed.as Josh says "a micro bend". however, if I leave the 
gauge on the shroud when the turnbuckle is tightened or loosened, it 
will move the gauge accordingly.


Without the Loos RT 10, I am merely guessing the rig tension..under 
tensioning is obvious when you take the boat out under sail.over 
tensioning is not as easy to detect.


I come from a racing background where rig tension is paramount.we 
were constantly adjusting it to suit the conditions on race 
day..sometimes up and down between races on the same day   While I 
don't race AZURA, old habits like rig tensioning has remained with me.


Rob Abbott
AZURA
C 32 - 84
Halifax, N.S.

On 2017-06-13 5:45 PM, Josh Muckley via CnC-List wrote:
"How do I gauge?" - this is the argument for paying $500 for the Loos 
Tension gauge, otherwise you are just guessing.


I believe there are micro bends, stretches, seating, and flexing 
throughout the system which allow the rig to loosen up.  With such low 
stretch rod rigging only a fraction of an inch can be the difference 
between hundreds of pounds of tension and zero pounds.


Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C 37+
Solomons, MD




On Jun 13, 2017 12:40 PM, "Dave S via CnC-List" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:


Timely...
I set up my rigging per the instructions in the owners manual
immediately after launch, and Windstar sat for a few weeks other
than a couple of very gentle sails.  Finally got to give her a
righteous thrashing last weekend and I returned with slack upper
shrouds - a bit alarming.  Lowers and mids not obviously changed,
mast step not collapsing, chainplates not failing.
I suspect I had not adequately tightened the uppers. A neighbor
explained that his boat changes shape a bit once launched (or
rather, sitting on the cradle all winter distorts it a bit.)

Without a gauge, how do I gauge that ensure that the shrouds are
tight enough?  Deflection?

What is it that re-seats and settles when the rig is first set up?

Tx.

Dave



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Subject: Stus-List Rod Rigging Tension C 32
Hugh:

Your rod rigging is probably the same as minehopefully your
Loos gauge can measure 'rod tension' and not simply 'wire'.   I
have the Loos RT 10 gauge.

According to NavTec, the breaking point of the rod is 8,000 lbs.
and they recommend not exceeding 25% or 2,000 lbs. in our case for
tension of the shrouds.

My uppers are normally around 1,300 to 1,350 lbs..the lowers
1,200 to 1,250 lbs.. that equates to numbers on my gauge of
around 39 to 40 uppers to 37 to 38 lowers.  The rig will always
loosen a bit after the mast is stepped and tension first
applied.mine always does.

At rest, my backstay tension is around 1,000 lbs.more when the
split backstay is pulled down.

The babystay is approx. 500 lbs.

 My rig has been tensioned this way each year since I got the boat
in 2006.

Trusting this is helpful.

Rob Abbott
AZURA
C 32 - 84
Halifax, N.S.

On 2017-06-12 10:02 PM, Hugh Briggs via CnC-List wrote:

Hello I am the proud new owner of a 1981 C 32 and am trying
to set up the standing rigging. I have the use of a  Loos
Gauge and would like to know what the tension should be set
at. I initially set it at 15 and went sailing. The rig has
lost a few points and now reads at about 13. Are there tables
for the outer and inner shrouds?
Thanks in advance.

Hugh Briggs
C 32
Desiderata
Thunder Bay, ON
Lake Superior


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Stus-List Rod Rigging Tension C 32

2017-06-13 Thread robert via CnC-List 

Hugh:

Your rod rigging is probably the same as minehopefully your Loos 
gauge can measure 'rod tension' and not simply 'wire'.   I have the Loos 
RT 10 gauge.


According to NavTec, the breaking point of the rod is 8,000 lbs. and 
they recommend not exceeding 25% or 2,000 lbs. in our case for tension 
of the shrouds.


My uppers are normally around 1,300 to 1,350 lbs..the lowers 1,200 
to 1,250 lbs.. that equates to numbers on my gauge of around 39 to 
40 uppers to 37 to 38 lowers.  The rig will always loosen a bit after 
the mast is stepped and tension first applied.mine always does.


At rest, my backstay tension is around 1,000 lbs.more when the split 
backstay is pulled down.


The babystay is approx. 500 lbs.

 My rig has been tensioned this way each year since I got the boat in 
2006.


Trusting this is helpful.

Rob Abbott
AZURA
C 32 - 84
Halifax, N.S.

On 2017-06-12 10:02 PM, Hugh Briggs via CnC-List wrote:

Hello I am the proud new owner of a 1981 C 32 and am trying to set up the 
standing rigging. I have the use of a  Loos Gauge and would like to know what the 
tension should be set at. I initially set it at 15 and went sailing. The rig has 
lost a few points and now reads at about 13. Are there tables for the outer and 
inner shrouds?
Thanks in advance.

Hugh Briggs
C 32
Desiderata
Thunder Bay, ON
Lake Superior


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Re: Stus-List Rod Rigging Tension C 32

2017-06-12 Thread Josh Muckley via CnC-List 
I used the Loos guidance which states between 10%and 15% of break
strength.  I started with 10% on all of my shrouds, made sure they were
equal port and starboard, and recorded the values.  I've been sailing and
observed the performance of the rig.  The Owners manuals and collective
wisdom of the list state something to the effect of, "the leeward shrouds
should go slightly slack when beam reaching in 15 to 20kts of wind."  My
observations of my rig are in agreement with that guidance.  Now I have
specific and measurable numbers to shoot for whenever I need to re-tune the
rig.  At the very least a starting point.

Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C 37+
Solomons, MD



On Jun 12, 2017 9:03 PM, "Hugh Briggs via CnC-List" 
wrote:

> Hello I am the proud new owner of a 1981 C 32 and am trying to set up
> the standing rigging. I have the use of a  Loos Gauge and would like to
> know what the tension should be set at. I initially set it at 15 and went
> sailing. The rig has lost a few points and now reads at about 13. Are there
> tables for the outer and inner shrouds?
> Thanks in advance.
>
> Hugh Briggs
> C 32
> Desiderata
> Thunder Bay, ON
> Lake Superior
>
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Stus-List Rod Rigging Tension C 32

2017-06-12 Thread Hugh Briggs via CnC-List 
Hello I am the proud new owner of a 1981 C 32 and am trying to set up the 
standing rigging. I have the use of a  Loos Gauge and would like to know what 
the tension should be set at. I initially set it at 15 and went sailing. The 
rig has lost a few points and now reads at about 13. Are there tables for the 
outer and inner shrouds? 
Thanks in advance.

Hugh Briggs
C 32
Desiderata
Thunder Bay, ON
Lake Superior


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