Re: Stus-List Sail plan and heavy weather.
To Fireball. I would not call my 35 MKII a stiff boat. I have sailed mine for about 15 years now in a varitey of conditions and she has handled all very well and she is particularly good for a 35 footer as far as motion comfort factor goes but i find as far as the stiffness factor goes she is pretty much as predicted in the Dellangaugh angle diagram which I believe you will still find on cncphotoalbum site. For better performance on a beat in over 20 kts apparrent wind I have considered adding a split torpedo bulb to the base of the keel. I believe about 500 pounds would allow her to point higher and faster. As she is I find it best going upwind from A to B to lay off a few degrees and really use her Water line length potential. The 35 MKI is stiffer and I believe faster and higher upwind in over 20 kts apparent wind speed but if you stay close upwind the MkII can gobble the MKI off the wind and DDW. I suppose when racing seriously with ample crew on board providing “rail meat” on upwind legs the MK II could stay with the MKI. Both are beatiful boats that were well ahead of many other designs back in the 1970’s and both have stood the test of time very well. Alianna turned 44 this year. On Thu, Nov 1, 2018 at 11:30 AM dwight veinot wrote: > I hope you guys are all talking apparent wind strength > > On Wed, Oct 31, 2018 at 10:30 PM Randy Stafford via CnC-List < > cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > >> It’s situational, depending on the boat and who’s on it. On my 30 MK I, >> a notoriously stiff boat, I’ll carry full main and 150% genoa in 20+ knots >> with my racing crew aboard. Leisure sailing with my wife in the same >> conditions, it’s main only, if she’ll even go out :) >> >> I give my crew these guidelines when they race the boat without me: >> <10 knots - full main and drifter (lightweight 150%) >> 10-20 knots - full main and #2 genoa (heavy 150%) >> >20 knots - flat main and #3 genoa (heavy 130%) >> >> My experience with my 30-1 has been that it takes about 25 knots under >> full sail to bury a rail close-hauled. Twice this summer I tore my drifter >> when the wind jumped from 10 to 35 with little warning; she tears sails >> before knocking down. >> >> Cheers, >> Randy Stafford >> S/V Grenadine >> C 30-1 #7 >> Ken Caryl, CO >> >> > On Oct 30, 2018, at 5:50 PM, Brian Fry via CnC-List < >> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: >> > >> > After spending a wonderful weekend with a bunch of great folks, Manon >> and I sailed back to >> > Havre de Grace under the strongest conditions we have been in yet. We >> usually stay put if the forecast is over 20. The forecast was 20s with >> gusts to 30+. I was looking forward to testing my new rig, especially since >> Josh allowed me to use his Loos gauge to check my rig job. Turns out my >> tune was quite true. We had been out before, but only at a max of about 20. >> > We set sail at the yellow mark outside Nap with 2 reefs in the main and >> a full 100 jib. >> > Everything was going well, a nice beam reach, until north of the bridge >> when the swells got larger and the gusts stronger. The gusts would push us >> over to the rails in the water and last for a good 30 seconds, then a swell >> would push us a little further. A few times we lost depth indication, a >> tell that the transducer was out of the water, or nearly so. Reefing the >> jib to 50% made things much more comfortable. We sailed the whole way back >> under these conditions. Entering HdG channel was challenging, putting us >> close hauled and tacking up the channel to where it ran abeam again. >> Thankfully my new sonar allowed for greater tacks outside of the channel, >> which freaked out the Admiral. I decided to tack instead of motoring and >> dropping sail to avoid turning the sails into rags in the 25 knot winds ( >> mine are of unknown age). >> > So now the question, when do you reef? How much wind is too much? >> > We usually do the first reef at 15, the second at 20, then the jib at >> 25. I am thinking 35 sustained would be my limit. But I havent been out in >> that yet. >> > >> > S/V La Neige >> > 1993 C 37/40 XL >> > Havre de Grace , MD >> > FB blog : thenext14years >> > Brian and Manon >> > ___ >> > >> > Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each >> and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - >> use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray >> > >> >> >> ___ >> >> Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each >> and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - >> use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray >> >> -- > Sent from Gmail Mobile > -- Sent from Gmail Mobile ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the
Stus-List Sail Plan and Heavy Weather
You are using a #3 in 55 knots? For me going to windward that would be the storm jib. 55 with the 100% jib would have my rail under I think. OTOH I flew the 100% with 50 gusting 60+ downwind and held a steady 10-11 knots boat speed while watching huge chunks of foam blow off the waves and fly into the houses onshore like a giant shaving cream attack ☺ Joe Della Barba Coquina C 35 MK I From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Michael Brown via CnC-List Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2018 11:32 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Michael Brown Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: Stus-List Sail Plan and Heavy Weather I did a race in 25 - 32 knots TWS, gusts to 47. Highest I saw this year was for about 90 seconds or so in a squall, readings to 52 knots steady. It increased, guessing over 55, but I couldn't read the instruments anymore. During the peak the boat was shuddering very noticeably. Toughest part is getting a clean tack. The boat loses too much speed coming up into the wind and then wants to fall off too far. A bad tack will lose a lot of ground. North designed for me a #3 of around 90% to use in 22 - 28 TWS. They got the design dialed in. With a reefed main the helm is balanced. I can come up a bit to depower in the gusts, or trim down for speed. I have a heavy #2, a couple of #3 that came used or with the boat. None of the combinations work well despite one of the other #3 being about the same size. Previous to getting the North #3 we would retire from a race at 30+ knots. I didn't feel safe handling the boat and we did not sail well. Now all the excitement is docking ... Michael Brown Windburn C 30-1 ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
Re: Stus-List Sail Plan and Heavy Weather
I did a race in 25 - 32 knots TWS, gusts to 47. Highest I saw this year was for about 90 seconds or so in a squall, readings to 52 knots steady. It increased, guessing over 55, but I couldn't read the instruments anymore. During the peak the boat was shuddering very noticeably. Toughest part is getting a clean tack. The boat loses too much speed coming up into the wind and then wants to fall off too far. A bad tack will lose a lot of ground. North designed for me a #3 of around 90% to use in 22 - 28 TWS. They got the design dialed in. With a reefed main the helm is balanced. I can come up a bit to depower in the gusts, or trim down for speed. I have a heavy #2, a couple of #3 that came used or with the boat. None of the combinations work well despite one of the other #3 being about the same size. Previous to getting the North #3 we would retire from a race at 30+ knots. I didn't feel safe handling the boat and we did not sail well. Now all the excitement is docking ... Michael Brown Windburn C 30-1 Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2018 11:30:07 -0300 From: dwight veinot I hope you guys are all talking apparent wind strength ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
Re: Stus-List Sail plan and heavy weather.
I hope you guys are all talking apparent wind strength On Wed, Oct 31, 2018 at 10:30 PM Randy Stafford via CnC-List < cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > It’s situational, depending on the boat and who’s on it. On my 30 MK I, a > notoriously stiff boat, I’ll carry full main and 150% genoa in 20+ knots > with my racing crew aboard. Leisure sailing with my wife in the same > conditions, it’s main only, if she’ll even go out :) > > I give my crew these guidelines when they race the boat without me: > <10 knots - full main and drifter (lightweight 150%) > 10-20 knots - full main and #2 genoa (heavy 150%) > >20 knots - flat main and #3 genoa (heavy 130%) > > My experience with my 30-1 has been that it takes about 25 knots under > full sail to bury a rail close-hauled. Twice this summer I tore my drifter > when the wind jumped from 10 to 35 with little warning; she tears sails > before knocking down. > > Cheers, > Randy Stafford > S/V Grenadine > C 30-1 #7 > Ken Caryl, CO > > > On Oct 30, 2018, at 5:50 PM, Brian Fry via CnC-List < > cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > > > > After spending a wonderful weekend with a bunch of great folks, Manon > and I sailed back to > > Havre de Grace under the strongest conditions we have been in yet. We > usually stay put if the forecast is over 20. The forecast was 20s with > gusts to 30+. I was looking forward to testing my new rig, especially since > Josh allowed me to use his Loos gauge to check my rig job. Turns out my > tune was quite true. We had been out before, but only at a max of about 20. > > We set sail at the yellow mark outside Nap with 2 reefs in the main and > a full 100 jib. > > Everything was going well, a nice beam reach, until north of the bridge > when the swells got larger and the gusts stronger. The gusts would push us > over to the rails in the water and last for a good 30 seconds, then a swell > would push us a little further. A few times we lost depth indication, a > tell that the transducer was out of the water, or nearly so. Reefing the > jib to 50% made things much more comfortable. We sailed the whole way back > under these conditions. Entering HdG channel was challenging, putting us > close hauled and tacking up the channel to where it ran abeam again. > Thankfully my new sonar allowed for greater tacks outside of the channel, > which freaked out the Admiral. I decided to tack instead of motoring and > dropping sail to avoid turning the sails into rags in the 25 knot winds ( > mine are of unknown age). > > So now the question, when do you reef? How much wind is too much? > > We usually do the first reef at 15, the second at 20, then the jib at > 25. I am thinking 35 sustained would be my limit. But I havent been out in > that yet. > > > > S/V La Neige > > 1993 C 37/40 XL > > Havre de Grace , MD > > FB blog : thenext14years > > Brian and Manon > > ___ > > > > Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each > and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - > use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray > > > > > ___ > > Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each > and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - > use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray > > -- Sent from Gmail Mobile ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
Re: Stus-List Sail Plan and Heavy Weather
Or an inclinometer an inexpensive device that shows degree of heel. Mount it in the cockit. Around 20 degrees of heel most C’s i have sailed are quite fast but under 15 is more comfortable for some and not much slower on a beat or close reach. Like using the heads or pouring a beverage is tricky when heeled over 15 degrees On Wed, Oct 31, 2018 at 2:09 PM Len Mitchell via CnC-List < cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > Brian, We reef around 20 knots. Too much heel is uncomfortable for the > crew and inefficient. We have an autopilot with a rudder indicator so it’s > easy to see when our rig is balanced (less rudder angle). We reef the main > first like someone already said and idk if 22 degrees of heel is fastest > but if not it’s probably close, a racer would have that dialled in. We are > the regular mast version, wing keel and use a 144% head sail rolled as > necessary, and two reef points in the main. 30-35 knots of wind is possible > but not as much fun. I guess I would recommend a rudder indicator if you > don’t already have one, your electronics are way more advanced than mine. > > Len Mitchell > Crazy Legs > 1989 37+ > Midland On > Sent from my iPad > ___ > > Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each > and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - > use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray > > -- Sent from Gmail Mobile ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
Re: Stus-List Sail plan and heavy weather.
It’s situational, depending on the boat and who’s on it. On my 30 MK I, a notoriously stiff boat, I’ll carry full main and 150% genoa in 20+ knots with my racing crew aboard. Leisure sailing with my wife in the same conditions, it’s main only, if she’ll even go out :) I give my crew these guidelines when they race the boat without me: <10 knots - full main and drifter (lightweight 150%) 10-20 knots - full main and #2 genoa (heavy 150%) >20 knots - flat main and #3 genoa (heavy 130%) My experience with my 30-1 has been that it takes about 25 knots under full sail to bury a rail close-hauled. Twice this summer I tore my drifter when the wind jumped from 10 to 35 with little warning; she tears sails before knocking down. Cheers, Randy Stafford S/V Grenadine C 30-1 #7 Ken Caryl, CO > On Oct 30, 2018, at 5:50 PM, Brian Fry via CnC-List > wrote: > > After spending a wonderful weekend with a bunch of great folks, Manon and I > sailed back to > Havre de Grace under the strongest conditions we have been in yet. We usually > stay put if the forecast is over 20. The forecast was 20s with gusts to 30+. > I was looking forward to testing my new rig, especially since Josh allowed me > to use his Loos gauge to check my rig job. Turns out my tune was quite true. > We had been out before, but only at a max of about 20. > We set sail at the yellow mark outside Nap with 2 reefs in the main and a > full 100 jib. > Everything was going well, a nice beam reach, until north of the bridge when > the swells got larger and the gusts stronger. The gusts would push us over to > the rails in the water and last for a good 30 seconds, then a swell would > push us a little further. A few times we lost depth indication, a tell that > the transducer was out of the water, or nearly so. Reefing the jib to 50% > made things much more comfortable. We sailed the whole way back under these > conditions. Entering HdG channel was challenging, putting us close hauled and > tacking up the channel to where it ran abeam again. Thankfully my new sonar > allowed for greater tacks outside of the channel, which freaked out the > Admiral. I decided to tack instead of motoring and dropping sail to avoid > turning the sails into rags in the 25 knot winds ( mine are of unknown age). > So now the question, when do you reef? How much wind is too much? > We usually do the first reef at 15, the second at 20, then the jib at 25. I > am thinking 35 sustained would be my limit. But I havent been out in that yet. > > S/V La Neige > 1993 C 37/40 XL > Havre de Grace , MD > FB blog : thenext14years > Brian and Manon > ___ > > Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and > every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use > PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray > ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
Re: Stus-List Sail plan and heavy weather.
A lot depends on how tender your boat is. Fireball is a C 35 Mk2, a fairly stiff boat, which sees a lot of racing and has a good sail selection ( #1 150, #2 138, #3 120, #4 85) cut for Narraganset Bay (average 15+ kts wind most every afternoon, except August . For cruising, when the wind pushes up to above 12 knots apparent, I will use only my cruising roller furl (~135), no main; the boat stays well balanced until we get over 20kts. Above that cruising, I will use a reefed main and a #4 (85%). For racing we use the twin foil (roller furl car dropped) and go to #2 before the first reef (Note: C factory maximized the boat for SORC and reduce the main's foot 2 ft by truncating the boom) then to the #3, as wind increases we throw in the 2nd reef, above 25 or 30kts, depending on the waves, we go to the #4. We always put people on the rail and keep the lee rail out of the water by easing the main sheet with the traveler up and moving the Genoa's sheet block aft a couple of notches to let the top of both sails twist off in gusts. Had a interesting cruise this summer from Beverly YC to Bristol YC. Left Beverly (Marion MA) in NE 8kts wind, so my son and I threw up the spinnaker when cleared the harbor. However! the wind increased to 25kts, which gave us a very narrow angle to sail between death rolls and broaching with the spinnaker heavily choked. We were off Cuttyhunk in 2hrs (fastest we ever had the boat, peaked at 11.7 kts) and got the spinnaker doused (quite a lot of fun for two people) in swirling wind off Cuttyhunk. Reached off to Sakonnet under our cruising roller furl and full main and made Sakonnet Light in 2 hrs (max out at 10.2 kts surfing). Up the Sakonnet in an adverse tidal current, thru the bridges (one being torn down with multiple barges and cranes), and on to Bristol. Total of 49 nm in 7 hours. Picked up our mooring and decided it was beer time! After a few, we were laughing that we survived with nothing ripped or broken - this type of passage is not recommended for casual cruising, but we delayed too long to get the spinnaker off, because we were enjoying the initial ride way too much. Don Kern Fireball 12708 C 35 Mk2 Bristol, RI ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
Re: Stus-List Sail plan and heavy weather.
Good advice from all. Typically, reef before reducing headsail. General guidelines for my 35-1(in kts true): Light 155 and full main to 10 All purpose 155 to 14-16 1st reef at 14 if carrying a 155 125 to 17-18 95 on inboard track to 20 95 on toe rail 20+ Sometimes we carry a full main with the 125 in waves. Just depends. If we start with the 125, we usually start with a full main. Moving the clew outboard is a clever way to make the sail plan less aggressive. Twisting off is also good in heavy air. For the headsail, move the lead aft several inches. For the main, raise the traveler and ease the sheet. Buddy of mine says you never drop from a #1 to a #2, you always drop to a #3. I tend to agree. We may start with a #2 but we usually drop two sails. Dennis C. Touché 35-1 #83 Mandeville, LA ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
Stus-List Sail Plan and Heavy Weather
Brian, We reef around 20 knots. Too much heel is uncomfortable for the crew and inefficient. We have an autopilot with a rudder indicator so it’s easy to see when our rig is balanced (less rudder angle). We reef the main first like someone already said and idk if 22 degrees of heel is fastest but if not it’s probably close, a racer would have that dialled in. We are the regular mast version, wing keel and use a 144% head sail rolled as necessary, and two reef points in the main. 30-35 knots of wind is possible but not as much fun. I guess I would recommend a rudder indicator if you don’t already have one, your electronics are way more advanced than mine. Len Mitchell Crazy Legs 1989 37+ Midland On Sent from my iPad ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
Re: Stus-List Sail plan and heavy weather.
Sorry about the previous post with the wrong subject. As soon as it swshed, I knew I was a jerk. > On Oct 31, 2018, at 12:00 PM, cnc-list-requ...@cnc-list.com wrote: > > Re: Stus-List Sail plan and heavy weather. ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
Re: Stus-List Sail plan and heavy weather.
Reef before the wind gets too strong for you and crew to handle comfortsbly On Wed, Oct 31, 2018 at 11:49 AM Andrew Burton via CnC-List < cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > When do I reef? It depends on the crew: if it's just Tami and I, I reef > pretty early or sail under just 100% jib alone. With a racing crew it > mostly depends on how far we are heeling. Our C seem to be most > efficient at 22 degrees or less heel when hard on the breeze. Maybe a > little more reaching. When I'm cruising I will happily give up 1/2 or even > a whole knot of speed in exchange for comfort. Then again, other times I > just go for a little more sail than I should for the sheer joy of sailing > the boat. Like a wonderful singlehanded beat back to Newport from Vineyard > Haven one night that was practically my last sail on my C 40, Peregrine, > before I sold her. I was ecstatic the whole way with 22 apparent, full main > and number 3 in big waves. What a great boat! > Cheers > Andy > > Andrew Burton > 139 Tuckerman Ave > Middletown, RI > USA02842 > > http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/ > +401 965-5260 > > > On Oct 30, 2018, at 19:50, Brian Fry via CnC-List > wrote: > > > > After spending a wonderful weekend with a bunch of great folks, Manon > and I sailed back to > > Havre de Grace under the strongest conditions we have been in yet. We > usually stay put if the forecast is over 20. The forecast was 20s with > gusts to 30+. I was looking forward to testing my new rig, especially since > Josh allowed me to use his Loos gauge to check my rig job. Turns out my > tune was quite true. We had been out before, but only at a max of about 20. > > We set sail at the yellow mark outside Nap with 2 reefs in the main and > a full 100 jib. > > Everything was going well, a nice beam reach, until north of the bridge > when the swells got larger and the gusts stronger. The gusts would push us > over to the rails in the water and last for a good 30 seconds, then a swell > would push us a little further. A few times we lost depth indication, a > tell that the transducer was out of the water, or nearly so. Reefing the > jib to 50% made things much more comfortable. We sailed the whole way back > under these conditions. Entering HdG channel was challenging, putting us > close hauled and tacking up the channel to where it ran abeam again. > Thankfully my new sonar allowed for greater tacks outside of the channel, > which freaked out the Admiral. I decided to tack instead of motoring and > dropping sail to avoid turning the sails into rags in the 25 knot winds ( > mine are of unknown age). > > So now the question, when do you reef? How much wind is too much? > > We usually do the first reef at 15, the second at 20, then the jib at > 25. I am thinking 35 sustained would be my limit. But I havent been out in > that yet. > > > > S/V La Neige > > 1993 C 37/40 XL > > Havre de Grace , MD > > FB blog : thenext14years > > Brian and Manon > > ___ > > > > Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each > and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - > use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray > > > > ___ > > Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each > and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - > use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray > > -- Sent from Gmail Mobile ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
Re: Stus-List Sail plan and heavy weather.
When do I reef? It depends on the crew: if it's just Tami and I, I reef pretty early or sail under just 100% jib alone. With a racing crew it mostly depends on how far we are heeling. Our C seem to be most efficient at 22 degrees or less heel when hard on the breeze. Maybe a little more reaching. When I'm cruising I will happily give up 1/2 or even a whole knot of speed in exchange for comfort. Then again, other times I just go for a little more sail than I should for the sheer joy of sailing the boat. Like a wonderful singlehanded beat back to Newport from Vineyard Haven one night that was practically my last sail on my C 40, Peregrine, before I sold her. I was ecstatic the whole way with 22 apparent, full main and number 3 in big waves. What a great boat! Cheers Andy Andrew Burton 139 Tuckerman Ave Middletown, RI USA02842 http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/ +401 965-5260 > On Oct 30, 2018, at 19:50, Brian Fry via CnC-List > wrote: > > After spending a wonderful weekend with a bunch of great folks, Manon and I > sailed back to > Havre de Grace under the strongest conditions we have been in yet. We usually > stay put if the forecast is over 20. The forecast was 20s with gusts to 30+. > I was looking forward to testing my new rig, especially since Josh allowed me > to use his Loos gauge to check my rig job. Turns out my tune was quite true. > We had been out before, but only at a max of about 20. > We set sail at the yellow mark outside Nap with 2 reefs in the main and a > full 100 jib. > Everything was going well, a nice beam reach, until north of the bridge when > the swells got larger and the gusts stronger. The gusts would push us over to > the rails in the water and last for a good 30 seconds, then a swell would > push us a little further. A few times we lost depth indication, a tell that > the transducer was out of the water, or nearly so. Reefing the jib to 50% > made things much more comfortable. We sailed the whole way back under these > conditions. Entering HdG channel was challenging, putting us close hauled and > tacking up the channel to where it ran abeam again. Thankfully my new sonar > allowed for greater tacks outside of the channel, which freaked out the > Admiral. I decided to tack instead of motoring and dropping sail to avoid > turning the sails into rags in the 25 knot winds ( mine are of unknown age). > So now the question, when do you reef? How much wind is too much? > We usually do the first reef at 15, the second at 20, then the jib at 25. I > am thinking 35 sustained would be my limit. But I havent been out in that yet. > > S/V La Neige > 1993 C 37/40 XL > Havre de Grace , MD > FB blog : thenext14years > Brian and Manon > ___ > > Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and > every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use > PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray > ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
Stus-List Sail plan and heavy weather.
Every boat is a bit different, but for a cruising you generally want to reef a bit before a racer because you don’t have 8 fat guys on the rail. C in general are big-jib small-main boats, so cruising you usually would not bother with a first reef in the main. I don’t even have the first reef strung right now, I only have the second one. I will restring the third one before I head offshore again. 35 knots is not extreme for our boats except a few of the smaller models. I would on my old 35 MK I have a 2nd reef main and working jib or genoa reefed down to that size. 50 knots for me is a storm jib and maybe a triple reefed main. The general idea for upwind work cruising is you reef enough to not have the boat badly out of balance and not heeled past say 25 degrees. OTOH you can’t reef down too much or you have no drive to get through the chop. With furling genoas rolling the sail in is easy and reefing the main is hard, but most of our boats will sail better usually with more jib and less main than vice versa if you can. Another thought is there are limits to furling sails. In no way is a storm-jib sized piece of a slightly unrolled 140% genoa equivalent to an actual storm jib. Besides for the shape being horrible, you have a big roll of sail adding a lot of drag. If you know in advance it will be a heavy air day and you have the inventory, better to unrig the big genoa and have a working job or storm jib. Last thought – reefing the main lowers the center of effort, rolling in the jib does not. Joe Della Barba Coquina C 35 MK I From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Brian Fry via CnC-List Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2018 7:50 PM To: cnc-list Cc: Brian Fry Subject: [EXTERNAL] Stus-List Sail plan and heavy weather. After spending a wonderful weekend with a bunch of great folks, Manon and I sailed back to Havre de Grace under the strongest conditions we have been in yet. We usually stay put if the forecast is over 20. The forecast was 20s with gusts to 30+. I was looking forward to testing my new rig, especially since Josh allowed me to use his Loos gauge to check my rig job. Turns out my tune was quite true. We had been out before, but only at a max of about 20. We set sail at the yellow mark outside Nap with 2 reefs in the main and a full 100 jib. Everything was going well, a nice beam reach, until north of the bridge when the swells got larger and the gusts stronger. The gusts would push us over to the rails in the water and last for a good 30 seconds, then a swell would push us a little further. A few times we lost depth indication, a tell that the transducer was out of the water, or nearly so. Reefing the jib to 50% made things much more comfortable. We sailed the whole way back under these conditions. Entering HdG channel was challenging, putting us close hauled and tacking up the channel to where it ran abeam again. Thankfully my new sonar allowed for greater tacks outside of the channel, which freaked out the Admiral. I decided to tack instead of motoring and dropping sail to avoid turning the sails into rags in the 25 knot winds ( mine are of unknown age). So now the question, when do you reef? How much wind is too much? We usually do the first reef at 15, the second at 20, then the jib at 25. I am thinking 35 sustained would be my limit. But I havent been out in that yet. S/V La Neige 1993 C 37/40 XL Havre de Grace , MD FB blog : thenext14years Brian and Manon ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
Stus-List Sail plan and heavy weather.
After spending a wonderful weekend with a bunch of great folks, Manon and I sailed back to Havre de Grace under the strongest conditions we have been in yet. We usually stay put if the forecast is over 20. The forecast was 20s with gusts to 30+. I was looking forward to testing my new rig, especially since Josh allowed me to use his Loos gauge to check my rig job. Turns out my tune was quite true. We had been out before, but only at a max of about 20. We set sail at the yellow mark outside Nap with 2 reefs in the main and a full 100 jib. Everything was going well, a nice beam reach, until north of the bridge when the swells got larger and the gusts stronger. The gusts would push us over to the rails in the water and last for a good 30 seconds, then a swell would push us a little further. A few times we lost depth indication, a tell that the transducer was out of the water, or nearly so. Reefing the jib to 50% made things much more comfortable. We sailed the whole way back under these conditions. Entering HdG channel was challenging, putting us close hauled and tacking up the channel to where it ran abeam again. Thankfully my new sonar allowed for greater tacks outside of the channel, which freaked out the Admiral. I decided to tack instead of motoring and dropping sail to avoid turning the sails into rags in the 25 knot winds ( mine are of unknown age). So now the question, when do you reef? How much wind is too much? We usually do the first reef at 15, the second at 20, then the jib at 25. I am thinking 35 sustained would be my limit. But I havent been out in that yet. S/V La Neige 1993 C 37/40 XL Havre de Grace , MD FB blog : thenext14years Brian and Manon ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
