Re: Stus-List Selden sprit kit install
Charlie In many areas adding a sprit IN ADDITION to the pole and symmetric spinnaker will result in an adjustment to the PHRF rating for the boat. This may not be the case if adding a sprit and asym IN PLACE of a pole and symmetric spinnaker Mike From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Charles Nelson via CnC-List Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2015 12:05 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Charles Nelson Subject: Re: Stus-List Selden sprit kit install So if one is club racing under PHRF with a racer-cruiser C 36 XL (non-planing for sure!), does adding a sprit and asymmetric kite improve its performance relative to a mast head symmetrical kite assuming no change in its PHRF rating? I gather from the list over the years that for round the buoy racing at least there is no appreciable gain in performance. I can appreciate that in distance races and perhaps triangle courses it may provide a speed advantage at some apparent wind angles but am not convinced that it provides an advantage for W-L courses. What say the list? Charlie Nelson Water Phantom C 36 XL/kcb ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Selden sprit kit install
Harry That is the same boat Mike From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Harry Hallgring via CnC-List Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2015 10:41 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Harry Hallgring Subject: Re: Stus-List Selden sprit kit install Mike, Mass. Maritime had a DP 37 design, Wiggers built named Valour at auction about five years back. I remember it had some sort of a coat of arms on the transom?? Harry Hallgring hhallgr...@icloud.com<mailto:hhallgr...@icloud.com> On Oct 29, 2015, at 08:39 AM, "Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote: Dennis I used to race on a Peterson 37 for a while. Boat name is Valour and I believe it is still on East Coast somewhere. Would this be the same boat? Mike From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Dennis C. via CnC-List Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2015 9:25 PM To: CnClist Cc: Dennis C. Subject: Stus-List Selden sprit kit install Installed a Selden sprit kit on a Peterson 37 today. Interesting piece of equipment. Simple design but effective. Essentially a big ring that mounts on the bow, a sprit pole that slides in/out through the ring and a couple folding padeyes that the rear fiiting clips onto in the retracted or extended position. The tack line passes through the pole exiting through each of the end fittings. The base of the ring is offset so you can mount the ring closer to center line while the pole extends to one side of the forestay. We had to make a StarBoard base to lift the ring a bit so the sprit pole would clear a tack fitting. Simple install. took about 3 hours. Couple things to watch out for. First, the kits are offered in several diameters. As one might expect, the larger diameter kits have longer allowed extension beyond the ring for bigger boats. Be sure to order one large enough to get the extension you need. Second, check with your local handicap organization about penalties and exactly how and where to measure the extended dimension. Third, if your headsail is a deck sweeper and is tacked low to the deck and the foot is low to the deck, you may have to have the tack cut a bit to go over the sprit (about 4 inches off the deck on one side of the forestay). The kit comes with 2 folding padeyes. However, you can install more at different distances to allow the sprit to extend different distances from the bow or measure point. The sprit can be easily removed and stowed below. This is good for boats with an anchor locker since the lid to the locker would be pinned under the sprit. Installation was straightforward once you figure out the different measurements. We installed this one so it retracted clear of the head sail tack point. That way, the head sail tack snap shackle didn't rub on the sprit when going upwind. I have one picture of the finished install if anyone is interested. ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Selden sprit kit install
Dennis I used to race on a Peterson 37 for a while. Boat name is Valour and I believe it is still on East Coast somewhere. Would this be the same boat? Mike From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Dennis C. via CnC-List Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2015 9:25 PM To: CnClist Cc: Dennis C. Subject: Stus-List Selden sprit kit install Installed a Selden sprit kit on a Peterson 37 today. Interesting piece of equipment. Simple design but effective. Essentially a big ring that mounts on the bow, a sprit pole that slides in/out through the ring and a couple folding padeyes that the rear fiiting clips onto in the retracted or extended position. The tack line passes through the pole exiting through each of the end fittings. The base of the ring is offset so you can mount the ring closer to center line while the pole extends to one side of the forestay. We had to make a StarBoard base to lift the ring a bit so the sprit pole would clear a tack fitting. Simple install. took about 3 hours. Couple things to watch out for. First, the kits are offered in several diameters. As one might expect, the larger diameter kits have longer allowed extension beyond the ring for bigger boats. Be sure to order one large enough to get the extension you need. Second, check with your local handicap organization about penalties and exactly how and where to measure the extended dimension. Third, if your headsail is a deck sweeper and is tacked low to the deck and the foot is low to the deck, you may have to have the tack cut a bit to go over the sprit (about 4 inches off the deck on one side of the forestay). The kit comes with 2 folding padeyes. However, you can install more at different distances to allow the sprit to extend different distances from the bow or measure point. The sprit can be easily removed and stowed below. This is good for boats with an anchor locker since the lid to the locker would be pinned under the sprit. Installation was straightforward once you figure out the different measurements. We installed this one so it retracted clear of the head sail tack point. That way, the head sail tack snap shackle didn't rub on the sprit when going upwind. I have one picture of the finished install if anyone is interested. ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Selden sprit kit install
Mike, Mass. Maritime had a DP 37 design, Wiggers built named Valour at auction about five years back. I remember it had some sort of a coat of arms on the transom?? Harry Hallgring hhallgr...@icloud.com On Oct 29, 2015, at 08:39 AM, "Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: Dennis I used to race on a Peterson 37 for a while. Boat name is Valour and I believe it is still on East Coast somewhere. Would this be the same boat? Mike From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Dennis C. via CnC-List Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2015 9:25 PM To: CnClist Cc: Dennis C. Subject: Stus-List Selden sprit kit install Installed a Selden sprit kit on a Peterson 37 today. Interesting piece of equipment. Simple design but effective. Essentially a big ring that mounts on the bow, a sprit pole that slides in/out through the ring and a couple folding padeyes that the rear fiiting clips onto in the retracted or extended position. The tack line passes through the pole exiting through each of the end fittings. The base of the ring is offset so you can mount the ring closer to center line while the pole extends to one side of the forestay. We had to make a StarBoard base to lift the ring a bit so the sprit pole would clear a tack fitting. Simple install. took about 3 hours. Couple things to watch out for. First, the kits are offered in several diameters. As one might expect, the larger diameter kits have longer allowed extension beyond the ring for bigger boats. Be sure to order one large enough to get the extension you need. Second, check with your local handicap organization about penalties and exactly how and where to measure the extended dimension. Third, if your headsail is a deck sweeper and is tacked low to the deck and the foot is low to the deck, you may have to have the tack cut a bit to go over the sprit (about 4 inches off the deck on one side of the forestay). The kit comes with 2 folding padeyes. However, you can install more at different distances to allow the sprit to extend different distances from the bow or measure point. The sprit can be easily removed and stowed below. This is good for boats with an anchor locker since the lid to the locker would be pinned under the sprit. Installation was straightforward once you figure out the different measurements. We installed this one so it retracted clear of the head sail tack point. That way, the head sail tack snap shackle didn't rub on the sprit when going upwind. I have one picture of the finished install if anyone is interested. ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Selden sprit kit install
Charlie, A sprit will result in a rating penalty. It probably won't help in a W-L course. Joel On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 9:48 AM, Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List < cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > Harry > > > > That is the same boat > > > > Mike > > > > *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *Harry > Hallgring via CnC-List > *Sent:* Thursday, October 29, 2015 10:41 AM > *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com > *Cc:* Harry Hallgring > *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Selden sprit kit install > > > > Mike, > > Mass. Maritime had a DP 37 design, Wiggers built named Valour at auction > about five years back. I remember it had some sort of a coat of arms on > the transom?? > > Harry Hallgring > > hhallgr...@icloud.com > > > On Oct 29, 2015, at 08:39 AM, "Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List" < > cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > > Dennis > > > > I used to race on a Peterson 37 for a while. Boat name is Valour and I > believe it is still on East Coast somewhere. Would this be the same boat? > > > > Mike > > > > *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com > <cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com>] *On Behalf Of *Dennis C. via CnC-List > *Sent:* Wednesday, October 28, 2015 9:25 PM > *To:* CnClist > *Cc:* Dennis C. > *Subject:* Stus-List Selden sprit kit install > > > > Installed a Selden sprit kit on a Peterson 37 today. Interesting piece of > equipment. Simple design but effective. > > Essentially a big ring that mounts on the bow, a sprit pole that slides > in/out through the ring and a couple folding padeyes that the rear fiiting > clips onto in the retracted or extended position. The tack line passes > through the pole exiting through each of the end fittings. The base of the > ring is offset so you can mount the ring closer to center line while the > pole extends to one side of the forestay. We had to make a StarBoard base > to lift the ring a bit so the sprit pole would clear a tack fitting. > Simple install. took about 3 hours. > > Couple things to watch out for. First, the kits are offered in several > diameters. As one might expect, the larger diameter kits have longer > allowed extension beyond the ring for bigger boats. Be sure to order one > large enough to get the extension you need. Second, check with your local > handicap organization about penalties and exactly how and where to measure > the extended dimension. Third, if your headsail is a deck sweeper and is > tacked low to the deck and the foot is low to the deck, you may have to > have the tack cut a bit to go over the sprit (about 4 inches off the deck > on one side of the forestay). > > The kit comes with 2 folding padeyes. However, you can install more at > different distances to allow the sprit to extend different distances from > the bow or measure point. > > The sprit can be easily removed and stowed below. This is good for boats > with an anchor locker since the lid to the locker would be pinned under the > sprit. > > > > Installation was straightforward once you figure out the different > measurements. > > We installed this one so it retracted clear of the head sail tack point. > That way, the head sail tack snap shackle didn't rub on the sprit when > going upwind. > > I have one picture of the finished install if anyone is interested. > > > ___ > > Email address: > CnC-List@cnc-list.com > To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the > bottom of page at: > http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com > > > -- Joel 301 541 8551 ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Selden sprit kit install
No Clue, Mike. This boat came from the Chesapeake area where it was, and still is, named "Whiskers". Now on its 3rd owner. Dennis On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 7:38 AM, Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List < cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > Dennis > > > > I used to race on a Peterson 37 for a while. Boat name is Valour and I > believe it is still on East Coast somewhere. Would this be the same boat? > > > > Mike > > > > *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *Dennis > C. via CnC-List > *Sent:* Wednesday, October 28, 2015 9:25 PM > *To:* CnClist > *Cc:* Dennis C. > *Subject:* Stus-List Selden sprit kit install > > > > Installed a Selden sprit kit on a Peterson 37 today. Interesting piece of > equipment. Simple design but effective. > > Essentially a big ring that mounts on the bow, a sprit pole that slides > in/out through the ring and a couple folding padeyes that the rear fiiting > clips onto in the retracted or extended position. The tack line passes > through the pole exiting through each of the end fittings. The base of the > ring is offset so you can mount the ring closer to center line while the > pole extends to one side of the forestay. We had to make a StarBoard base > to lift the ring a bit so the sprit pole would clear a tack fitting. > Simple install. took about 3 hours. > > Couple things to watch out for. First, the kits are offered in several > diameters. As one might expect, the larger diameter kits have longer > allowed extension beyond the ring for bigger boats. Be sure to order one > large enough to get the extension you need. Second, check with your local > handicap organization about penalties and exactly how and where to measure > the extended dimension. Third, if your headsail is a deck sweeper and is > tacked low to the deck and the foot is low to the deck, you may have to > have the tack cut a bit to go over the sprit (about 4 inches off the deck > on one side of the forestay). > > The kit comes with 2 folding padeyes. However, you can install more at > different distances to allow the sprit to extend different distances from > the bow or measure point. > > The sprit can be easily removed and stowed below. This is good for boats > with an anchor locker since the lid to the locker would be pinned under the > sprit. > > > > Installation was straightforward once you figure out the different > measurements. > > We installed this one so it retracted clear of the head sail tack point. > That way, the head sail tack snap shackle didn't rub on the sprit when > going upwind. > > I have one picture of the finished install if anyone is interested. > > ___ > > Email address: > CnC-List@cnc-list.com > To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the > bottom of page at: > http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com > > > ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Selden sprit kit install
The first thing to consider is whether you will get a ratings hit. I have three
friends who have asym spinnakers added into their sail inventory. They each got
a three second hit. But, they race offshore and do some medium distance stuff
(20-80 mile races on the Bay). If the wind is right, the asym is a big help -
they fly them off the pole so can move the tack back when the wind shifts or
the course demands it.
Agreed that for buoy racing, the performance gain is nil. But, if one can
change from regular to asym at will (that is why the 3 seconds) then once in a
while a big gain can be made with an asym. And one can go back to the
symmetrical when the wind is aft.
After sailing the last four years on a J-80, I appreciate the simplicity of an
asym, but really don't like to have to sail all over the river while my
symmetrical friends are going directly to the next mark. And here in light air,
we don't get to plane often enough, period.
The boats in question are two Cal 40's and a C 115. The Cals rate the same as
the J-80
My $.02
Gary Nylander
St.Michaels MD
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From: Charles Nelson via CnC-List
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Cc: Charles Nelson
Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2015 11:05 PM
Subject: Re: Stus-List Selden sprit kit install
So if one is club racing under PHRF with a racer-cruiser C 36 XL
(non-planing for sure!), does adding a sprit and asymmetric kite improve its
performance relative to a mast head symmetrical kite assuming no change in its
PHRF rating?
I gather from the list over the years that for round the buoy racing at least
there is no appreciable gain in performance.
I can appreciate that in distance races and perhaps triangle courses it may
provide a speed advantage at some apparent wind angles but am not convinced
that it provides an advantage for W-L courses.
What say the list?
Charlie Nelson
Water Phantom
C 36 XL/kcb
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On Oct 28, 2015, at 9:48 PM, Chuck S via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
wrote:
Dennis, Pete,
Does Selden require backing plates under the deck for the ring and outer
Wichard padeye?
And how far out should it extend? I thought I needed 5 ft for my 36 footer
but the Selden guy at the boat show said 3 feet was enough. He added a longer
pole would be beneficial if I was having an oversized sail made for it, similar
to what J-boats carry. (how much do you want to spend?)
Chuck
Chuck
Resolute
1990 C 34R
Broad Creek, Magothy River, Md
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Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2015 9:25:36 PM
Subject: Re: Stus-List Selden sprit kit install
Good write up Dennis –
I installed one and sailed with it in the 2014 season. I would add a
couple items to your review;
1. Watch the diameter of sprit. If one has a roller furler, you’ll
need clearance between it and the deck
2. In a blow, there is a lot of lift on the front deck fitting.
Careful review of the deck should be done in case reinforcement is needed. I
noticed weakening in the area even with the addition of a bobstay.
Thanks,
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Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2015 7:25 PM
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Subject: Stus-List Selden sprit kit install
Installed a Selden sprit kit on a Peterson 37 today. Interesting piece of
equipment. Simple design but effective.
Essentially a big ring that mounts on the bow, a sprit pole that slides
in/out through the ring and a couple folding padeyes that the rear fiiting
clips onto in the retracted or extended position. The tack line passes through
the pole exiting through each of the end fittings. The base of the ring is
offset so you can mount the ring closer to center line while the pole extends
to one side of the forestay. We had to make a StarBoard base to lift the ring
a bit so the sprit pole would clear a tack fitting. Simple install. took
about 3 hours.
Couple things to watch out for. First, the kits are offered in several
diameters. As one might expect, the larger diameter kits have longer allowed
extension beyond the ring for bigger boats. Be sure to order one large enough
to get the extension you need. Second, check with your local handicap
organization about penalties and exactly how and where to measure the extended
dimension. Third, if your headsail is a deck sweeper and is tacked low to the
deck and the foot is low to the deck, you may have to have the tack cut a bit
to go over the sprit (about 4 inches off the deck on one side of the forestay).
The kit comes wit
Stus-List Selden sprit kit install
Two years ago I purchased the Selden sprit at the Annapolis Boat Show. It sat in my basement for the winter and in the spring I tried to install the sprit to no avail. The problem was the anchor roller alignment and the bow cleats did not allow the sprit to fit under the furling roller. I returned it and received a full refund, my only cost was the shipping cost to return it. I race my 36 and fly an asymmetrical and have done very well with the chute. We have learned how to gybe it and when the air is light from the stern we heel the boat and wing to wing the sail. The trimmer and I (I steer) need to work together very closely. JSI out of Florida made the sail and I can point fairly well, when on a beam reach she flies - no one can touch me. Tom Vincent Frolic II C 36' cb ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Selden sprit kit install
The asyms work best when they bring the AWS up and AWA forward. That is hard to do on the typical C which neither planes or easily exceeds hull speed. It looks like a wild ride on the J/80s, Melges and such when they lift off and scream downwind in a breeze. I raced in a very mixed fleet for the last two years, the RC let all spinnaker boats race each other if they wanted to on what is normally the white sail night. So with a 30-1 I am racing J/22, J/24, J/70. J/80, Kirby 30s. I have rigged with an over sized spin pole of 14.44' and 195% asym and sym spinnakers. The sym is more useful for us with the 1 mile upwind / downwind legs, though we can peel to the aym if required. The Js are very hard to beat when the conditions are right for them. They need enough wind to get to a plane downwind, but not too much to make the upwind leg tough. The J/80s have a sweet spot of maybe 10 -14 kts. As you note in light winds they are sailing all over the place downwind. I have had both the sym and asym for two years now, still learning. I did about 1200 nm of racing last year, 1100 nm this year. I am getting the confidence up to do peels solo, and trying to work out the best sail / tactics / VMG of each. I doubt that downwind an asym on a sprit works anywhere near as well as a sym on a pole, at least on most of the C The asym on a pole is a bit better but still not as good going deep. I doubt that even a +9 sec/mile PHRF adjustment will compensate for an asym + sprit on a light wind day. Upwind is a bit different. We carry either to 90 AWA. The sym causes more leeway which may not be a problem. Tighter than 90 the asym will develop more power. If the TWA is 100 or more the asym will easily bring AWA up to 80 or less and may increase AWS. The sym will not. At the tightest upwind angles, with AWA of around 60 surprisingly then sym works as well as the asym, though I think neither is really running as intended. With our running rigging tacking the asym is easier, which we only would do in very light wind. The one condition where the asym works very well for us is 6 - 8 kts at around 110 TWA. It takes a while to get the speed up and playing with the trim, but if I can get the AWA up even 1 kt and the AWA up to 75 - 80 then I get close to 2 kts more hull speed compared with trying to work with the 155% genoa. My sym doesn't generate the same power and won't do it. Michael Brown Windburn C 30-1 Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2015 09:55:32 -0400 From: "Gary Nylander" <gnylan...@atlanticbb.net> To: <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> Subject: Re: Stus-List Selden sprit kit install Message-ID: <4C50DDABD90142D5B2920192693C8243@GaryPC> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" The first thing to consider is whether you will get a ratings hit. I have three friends who have asym spinnakers added into their sail inventory. They each got a three second hit. But, they race offshore and do some medium distance stuff (20-80 mile races on the Bay). If the wind is right, the asym is a big help - they fly them off the pole so can move the tack back when the wind shifts or the course demands it. Agreed that for buoy racing, the performance gain is nil. But, if one can change from regular to asym at will (that is why the 3 seconds) then once in a while a big gain can be made with an asym. And one can go back to the symmetrical when the wind is aft. After sailing the last four years on a J-80, I appreciate the simplicity of an asym, but really don't like to have to sail all over the river while my symmetrical friends are going directly to the next mark. And here in light air, we don't get to plane often enough, period. The boats in question are two Cal 40's and a C 115. The Cals rate the same as the J-80 My $.02 Gary Nylander St.Michaels MD ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Selden sprit kit install
So if one is club racing under PHRF with a racer-cruiser C 36 XL (non-planing for sure!), does adding a sprit and asymmetric kite improve its performance relative to a mast head symmetrical kite assuming no change in its PHRF rating? I gather from the list over the years that for round the buoy racing at least there is no appreciable gain in performance. I can appreciate that in distance races and perhaps triangle courses it may provide a speed advantage at some apparent wind angles but am not convinced that it provides an advantage for W-L courses. What say the list? Charlie Nelson Water Phantom C 36 XL/kcb Sent from my iPad > On Oct 28, 2015, at 9:48 PM, Chuck S via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote: > > Dennis, Pete, > Does Selden require backing plates under the deck for the ring and outer > Wichard padeye? > > And how far out should it extend? I thought I needed 5 ft for my 36 footer > but the Selden guy at the boat show said 3 feet was enough. He added a > longer pole would be beneficial if I was having an oversized sail made for > it, similar to what J-boats carry. (how much do you want to spend?) > > Chuck > Chuck > Resolute > 1990 C 34R > Broad Creek, Magothy River, Md > > From: "Pete Shelquist via CnC-List" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com > Cc: "Pete Shelquist" <pete.shelqu...@comcast.net> > Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2015 9:25:36 PM > Subject: Re: Stus-List Selden sprit kit install > > Good write up Dennis – > I installed one and sailed with it in the 2014 season. I would add a couple > items to your review; > 1. Watch the diameter of sprit. If one has a roller furler, you’ll > need clearance between it and the deck > 2. In a blow, there is a lot of lift on the front deck fitting. > Careful review of the deck should be done in case reinforcement is needed. I > noticed weakening in the area even with the addition of a bobstay. > > Thanks, > > > From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Dennis C. > via CnC-List > Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2015 7:25 PM > To: CnClist > Cc: Dennis C. > Subject: Stus-List Selden sprit kit install > > Installed a Selden sprit kit on a Peterson 37 today. Interesting piece of > equipment. Simple design but effective. > > Essentially a big ring that mounts on the bow, a sprit pole that slides > in/out through the ring and a couple folding padeyes that the rear fiiting > clips onto in the retracted or extended position. The tack line passes > through the pole exiting through each of the end fittings. The base of the > ring is offset so you can mount the ring closer to center line while the pole > extends to one side of the forestay. We had to make a StarBoard base to lift > the ring a bit so the sprit pole would clear a tack fitting. Simple install. > took about 3 hours. > > Couple things to watch out for. First, the kits are offered in several > diameters. As one might expect, the larger diameter kits have longer allowed > extension beyond the ring for bigger boats. Be sure to order one large > enough to get the extension you need. Second, check with your local handicap > organization about penalties and exactly how and where to measure the > extended dimension. Third, if your headsail is a deck sweeper and is tacked > low to the deck and the foot is low to the deck, you may have to have the > tack cut a bit to go over the sprit (about 4 inches off the deck on one side > of the forestay). > > The kit comes with 2 folding padeyes. However, you can install more at > different distances to allow the sprit to extend different distances from the > bow or measure point. > > The sprit can be easily removed and stowed below. This is good for boats > with an anchor locker since the lid to the locker would be pinned under the > sprit. > > Installation was straightforward once you figure out the different > measurements. > > We installed this one so it retracted clear of the head sail tack point. > That way, the head sail tack snap shackle didn't rub on the sprit when going > upwind. > > I have one picture of the finished install if anyone is interested. > > ___ > > Email address: > CnC-List@cnc-list.com > To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom > of page at: > http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com > > > ___ > > Email address: > CnC-List@cnc-list.com > To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom > of page at: > http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com > ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Selden sprit kit install
Good write up Dennis – I installed one and sailed with it in the 2014 season. I would add a couple items to your review; 1. Watch the diameter of sprit. If one has a roller furler, you’ll need clearance between it and the deck 2. In a blow, there is a lot of lift on the front deck fitting. Careful review of the deck should be done in case reinforcement is needed. I noticed weakening in the area even with the addition of a bobstay. Thanks, From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Dennis C. via CnC-List Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2015 7:25 PM To: CnClist Cc: Dennis C. Subject: Stus-List Selden sprit kit install Installed a Selden sprit kit on a Peterson 37 today. Interesting piece of equipment. Simple design but effective. Essentially a big ring that mounts on the bow, a sprit pole that slides in/out through the ring and a couple folding padeyes that the rear fiiting clips onto in the retracted or extended position. The tack line passes through the pole exiting through each of the end fittings. The base of the ring is offset so you can mount the ring closer to center line while the pole extends to one side of the forestay. We had to make a StarBoard base to lift the ring a bit so the sprit pole would clear a tack fitting. Simple install. took about 3 hours. Couple things to watch out for. First, the kits are offered in several diameters. As one might expect, the larger diameter kits have longer allowed extension beyond the ring for bigger boats. Be sure to order one large enough to get the extension you need. Second, check with your local handicap organization about penalties and exactly how and where to measure the extended dimension. Third, if your headsail is a deck sweeper and is tacked low to the deck and the foot is low to the deck, you may have to have the tack cut a bit to go over the sprit (about 4 inches off the deck on one side of the forestay). The kit comes with 2 folding padeyes. However, you can install more at different distances to allow the sprit to extend different distances from the bow or measure point. The sprit can be easily removed and stowed below. This is good for boats with an anchor locker since the lid to the locker would be pinned under the sprit. Installation was straightforward once you figure out the different measurements. We installed this one so it retracted clear of the head sail tack point. That way, the head sail tack snap shackle didn't rub on the sprit when going upwind. I have one picture of the finished install if anyone is interested. ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Selden sprit kit install
Dennis, Pete, Does Selden require backing plates under the deck for the ring and outer Wichard padeye? And how far out should it extend? I thought I needed 5 ft for my 36 footer but the Selden guy at the boat show said 3 feet was enough. He added a longer pole would be beneficial if I was having an oversized sail made for it, similar to what J-boats carry. (how much do you want to spend?) Chuck Chuck Resolute 1990 C 34R Broad Creek, Magothy River, Md - Original Message - From: "Pete Shelquist via CnC-List" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: "Pete Shelquist" <pete.shelqu...@comcast.net> Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2015 9:25:36 PM Subject: Re: Stus-List Selden sprit kit install Good write up Dennis – I installed one and sailed with it in the 2014 season. I would add a couple items to your review; 1. Watch the diameter of sprit. If one has a roller furler, you’ll need clearance between it and the deck 2. In a blow, there is a lot of lift on the front deck fitting. Careful review of the deck should be done in case reinforcement is needed. I noticed weakening in the area even with the addition of a bobstay. Thanks, From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Dennis C. via CnC-List Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2015 7:25 PM To: CnClist Cc: Dennis C. Subject: Stus-List Selden sprit kit install Installed a Selden sprit kit on a Peterson 37 today. Interesting piece of equipment. Simple design but effective. Essentially a big ring that mounts on the bow, a sprit pole that slides in/out through the ring and a couple folding padeyes that the rear fiiting clips onto in the retracted or extended position. The tack line passes through the pole exiting through each of the end fittings. The base of the ring is offset so you can mount the ring closer to center line while the pole extends to one side of the forestay. We had to make a StarBoard base to lift the ring a bit so the sprit pole would clear a tack fitting. Simple install. took about 3 hours. Couple things to watch out for. First, the kits are offered in several diameters. As one might expect, the larger diameter kits have longer allowed extension beyond the ring for bigger boats. Be sure to order one large enough to get the extension you need. Second, check with your local handicap organization about penalties and exactly how and where to measure the extended dimension. Third, if your headsail is a deck sweeper and is tacked low to the deck and the foot is low to the deck, you may have to have the tack cut a bit to go over the sprit (about 4 inches off the deck on one side of the forestay). The kit comes with 2 folding padeyes. However, you can install more at different distances to allow the sprit to extend different distances from the bow or measure point. The sprit can be easily removed and stowed below. This is good for boats with an anchor locker since the lid to the locker would be pinned under the sprit. Installation was straightforward once you figure out the different measurements. We installed this one so it retracted clear of the head sail tack point. That way, the head sail tack snap shackle didn't rub on the sprit when going upwind. I have one picture of the finished install if anyone is interested. ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Stus-List Selden sprit kit install
Installed a Selden sprit kit on a Peterson 37 today. Interesting piece of equipment. Simple design but effective. Essentially a big ring that mounts on the bow, a sprit pole that slides in/out through the ring and a couple folding padeyes that the rear fiiting clips onto in the retracted or extended position. The tack line passes through the pole exiting through each of the end fittings. The base of the ring is offset so you can mount the ring closer to center line while the pole extends to one side of the forestay. We had to make a StarBoard base to lift the ring a bit so the sprit pole would clear a tack fitting. Simple install. took about 3 hours. Couple things to watch out for. First, the kits are offered in several diameters. As one might expect, the larger diameter kits have longer allowed extension beyond the ring for bigger boats. Be sure to order one large enough to get the extension you need. Second, check with your local handicap organization about penalties and exactly how and where to measure the extended dimension. Third, if your headsail is a deck sweeper and is tacked low to the deck and the foot is low to the deck, you may have to have the tack cut a bit to go over the sprit (about 4 inches off the deck on one side of the forestay). The kit comes with 2 folding padeyes. However, you can install more at different distances to allow the sprit to extend different distances from the bow or measure point. The sprit can be easily removed and stowed below. This is good for boats with an anchor locker since the lid to the locker would be pinned under the sprit. Installation was straightforward once you figure out the different measurements. We installed this one so it retracted clear of the head sail tack point. That way, the head sail tack snap shackle didn't rub on the sprit when going upwind. I have one picture of the finished install if anyone is interested. ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
