Re: [cobirds] Re: Cobirds vs Ebird Reporting

[BirdNerd's Email]

Mark,

I have found that on my e-bird alerts for rare species or birds I haven't found 
this year the hourly setting helps me catch some of those reports.   This 
obviously misses birders who enter lists at the end of the day or later, but it 
does help catch a fair number of recent reports without the person entering the 
list having to enter sightings elsewhere.  Not a complete solution, but a 
helpful one for chasers-

Mark Minner-Lee
Superior, CO

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> On Oct 30, 2015, at 3:03 PM, otowi  wrote:
> 
> I also wonder how many people know about CObirds?  There are a lot of birders 
> not subscribed to this or any other group.   CObirds seems to me kind of like 
> an "insider" thing that only people in certain circles know about, and that 
> many are likely to assume is only for use by experts or highly experienced 
> birders to share reports with one another.  Who is really wanted to post here 
> and what is post-worthy?
> 
> An advantage of eBird is that you can keep your whole life list there easily 
> and can simply report what you think you saw - it feels a lot more personal 
> and functional for individual use.  Just as phone lines have gone by the 
> wayside, egroups are a little old school today in terms of how people 
> actually use the Internet for social purposes, so using CObirds requires many 
> to take a set of unnatural steps that they wouldn't ordinarily be doing.
> 
> 
> 
> Diana Beatty
> El Paso
> 
> On Friday, October 30, 2015 at 12:53:16 PM UTC-6, Mark wrote:
>> 
>> Recently, I have noticed a trend of good to great chaseable birds not being 
>> reported to CObirds but instead just added to the eBird checklist. The 
>> reason for the email is that yesterday, a Great-crested Flycatcher was 
>> reported from the Denver Botanical Gardens at Chatfield around 8:40 a.m. 
>> After looking at the photos attached to the checklist, I'm struggling to 
>> rule out a Brown-crested Flycatcher. The problem with this kind of reporting 
>> is that you're not hearing about the bird until the next day. A few weeks 
>> ago, a Tri-colored Heron was reported to CObirds and many people were able 
>> to see the bird before it disappeared the following day. I'm not trying to 
>> criticize a person's decision of reporting, because it is ultimately their 
>> choice. I'm trying to get a better understanding of why this trend is 
>> increasing so rapidly?
>> 
>> Mark Chavez
>> Lakewood-Green Mtn
>> http://jaeger29.smugmug.com/
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[cobirds] Re: Cobirds vs Ebird Reporting

[otowi]

I also wonder how many people know about CObirds?  There are a lot of 
birders not subscribed to this or any other group.   CObirds seems to me 
kind of like an "insider" thing that only people in certain circles know 
about, and that many are likely to assume is only for use by experts or 
highly experienced birders to share reports with one another.  Who is 
really wanted to post here and what is post-worthy?

An advantage of eBird is that you can keep your whole life list there 
easily and can simply report what you think you saw - it feels a lot more 
personal and functional for individual use.  Just as phone lines have gone 
by the wayside, egroups are a little old school today in terms of how 
people actually use the Internet for social purposes, so using CObirds 
requires many to take a set of unnatural steps that they wouldn't 
ordinarily be doing.



Diana Beatty
El Paso

On Friday, October 30, 2015 at 12:53:16 PM UTC-6, Mark wrote:
>
> Recently, I have noticed a trend of good to great chaseable birds not 
> being reported to CObirds but instead just added to the eBird checklist. 
> The reason for the email is that yesterday, a Great-crested Flycatcher was 
> reported from the Denver Botanical Gardens at Chatfield around 8:40 a.m. 
> After looking at the photos attached to the checklist, I'm struggling to 
> rule out a Brown-crested Flycatcher. The problem with this kind of 
> reporting is that you're not hearing about the bird until the next day. A 
> few weeks ago, a Tri-colored Heron was reported to CObirds and many people 
> were able to see the bird before it disappeared the following day. I'm not 
> trying to criticize a person's decision of reporting, because it is 
> ultimately their choice. I'm trying to get a better understanding of why 
> this trend is increasing so rapidly?
>
> Mark Chavez
> Lakewood-Green Mtn
> http://jaeger29.smugmug.com/
>

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[cobirds] Re: Cobirds vs Ebird Reporting

[The "Nunn Guy"]

Hi all

To add, just today while "walking the internet" I found two local "Birds 
and Brews" and "Northern Colorado" birding groups.  Seems to have been 
around awhile as well.  I agree with Joey, Diana people bird for personal 
reasons and "centralized or one-stop birding" is quickly disappearing--21st 
century digital birding is the norm.  I even realize at some point my site 
below will become obsolete without change.

Thanks
Gary Lefko, Nunn
http://coloradobirder.ning.com/
Mobile:  http://coloradobirder.ning.com/m


On Friday, October 30, 2015 at 3:03:07 PM UTC-6, otowi wrote:
>
> I also wonder how many people know about CObirds?  There are a lot of 
> birders not subscribed to this or any other group.   CObirds seems to me 
> kind of like an "insider" thing that only people in certain circles know 
> about, and that many are likely to assume is only for use by experts or 
> highly experienced birders to share reports with one another.  Who is 
> really wanted to post here and what is post-worthy?
>
> An advantage of eBird is that you can keep your whole life list there 
> easily and can simply report what you think you saw - it feels a lot more 
> personal and functional for individual use.  Just as phone lines have gone 
> by the wayside, egroups are a little old school today in terms of how 
> people actually use the Internet for social purposes, so using CObirds 
> requires many to take a set of unnatural steps that they wouldn't 
> ordinarily be doing.
>
>
>
> Diana Beatty
> El Paso
>
> On Friday, October 30, 2015 at 12:53:16 PM UTC-6, Mark wrote:
>>
>> Recently, I have noticed a trend of good to great chaseable birds not 
>> being reported to CObirds but instead just added to the eBird checklist. 
>> The reason for the email is that yesterday, a Great-crested Flycatcher was 
>> reported from the Denver Botanical Gardens at Chatfield around 8:40 a.m. 
>> After looking at the photos attached to the checklist, I'm struggling to 
>> rule out a Brown-crested Flycatcher. The problem with this kind of 
>> reporting is that you're not hearing about the bird until the next day. A 
>> few weeks ago, a Tri-colored Heron was reported to CObirds and many people 
>> were able to see the bird before it disappeared the following day. I'm not 
>> trying to criticize a person's decision of reporting, because it is 
>> ultimately their choice. I'm trying to get a better understanding of why 
>> this trend is increasing so rapidly?
>>
>> Mark Chavez
>> Lakewood-Green Mtn
>> http://jaeger29.smugmug.com/
>>
>

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RE: [cobirds] Re: Cobirds vs Ebird Reporting

[Kay Niyo]

A quick way to check for “currently reported” birds in your area is to click on 
the website home pages of DFO http://dfobirds.org/ or CFO http://cobirds.org/ 
and look at BirdTrax, the “Recent eBird Sightings” app that is constantly 
updating.  Scroll down in BirdTrax and you will see the Great-crested 
Flycatcher reported by a couple birders, where and when.

 

Kay

 

Kayleen A. Niyo, Ph.D.

Niyo Scientific Communications

5651 Garnet St.

Golden, CO 80403

303.679.6646

k...@kayniyo.com; www.KayNiyo.com

 

From: cobirds@googlegroups.com [mailto:cobirds@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Joey Kellner
Sent: Friday, October 30, 2015 2:36 PM
To: Colorado Birds
Subject: [cobirds] Re: Cobirds vs Ebird Reporting

 

The trend will continue (and may even expand) as new and easier ways of 
reporting and tracking bird sightings.  With phone apps now available to easily 
document our sightings conveniently in the field there is less urgency to race 
home and type up a message on COBIRDS.  This is just my opinion as to why this 
is happening.  I too am guilty of spending a day in the field, coming home 
exhausted and then failing to report my sightings in a second forum.

 

Birding is a great hobby and it leaves much to the observer as far as the 
desire to be involved 1) by themselves, 2) join up with other individuals, 3) 
join a local club or group, or 4) join a national organization (ABA).  It is up 
to the individual to decide what level of birding THEY want (feeder watching, 
local patch watching, Big Day attempts, annual "year" list tracking or 
continent (or worldwide) birding).  Like I said, a great hobby for all levels 
of interest or involvement.

 

With that decision also comes another decision (wow, so complicated).  How to 
document or track what you see?  Some just get out and watch and don't track 
any of their sightings...they just enjoy getting out in the fresh air and 
seeing nature.  Others track to the minute level of what bird was on what 
specific power pole!  Once you determine what level of record keeping you want, 
you must decide (yeah, another decision) what method to use to track your 
sightings (paper, computer spreadsheet, software package designed for birders, 
or something like eBird).  

 

Here it comesanother decision...do you feel comfortable with and want to 
report your sightings to others?  How?  1) A phone call and leave a message on 
the local Rare Bird Alert (easy and convenient with just a phone call)?  2) Use 
a computer at home (or a laptop in your hotel) to post your sightings online 
(e.g. COBIRDS)?  3) Send a "tweet" to all your close birding buddies, 4) Post 
to your Facebook page so that anyone "following" you can see what you've found, 
5) Submit your sightings via a smart-phone app to eBird?  Wow!  What options we 
have!  Now for convenience, one stop "shopping" (birding) allows me to track my 
sightings on a checklist AND at the same time provides me with a method to 
notify others!  Wow, what convenience!

 

What I'm really getting at here is that technology is developing and changing 
fast and unless there is a way to synthesize all the electronic (and other) 
data out there, there will always be a disconnect in reporting.

 

Now I'm not suggesting that this REALLY happen, but what if eBird posted their 
alerts to COBIRDS automatically every few hours?  I would get a lot of email 
that I really don't want AND it might just "clutter up" COBIRDS.

 

So, until all the observation data can be gathered together in a single 
location (and selectively "mined" for the good stuff...and the bad stuff ruled 
out) we will be in a world of multiple forums for gathering sighting data.

 

Isn't America great?!  Our enjoyment and hobby are not dictated to us.  All 
these choices we have!  With great choice comes great responsibility?

 

My three thoughts (small as they may be).

 

Joey Kellner

Littleton, Colorado

 

 

 


On Friday, October 30, 2015 at 12:53:16 PM UTC-6, Mark wrote:

Recently, I have noticed a trend of good to great chaseable birds not being 
reported to CObirds but instead just added to the eBird checklist. The reason 
for the email is that yesterday, a Great-crested Flycatcher was reported from 
the Denver Botanical Gardens at Chatfield around 8:40 a.m. After looking at the 
photos attached to the checklist, I'm struggling to rule out a Brown-crested 
Flycatcher. The problem with this kind of reporting is that you're not hearing 
about the bird until the next day. A few weeks ago, a Tri-colored Heron was 
reported to CObirds and many people were able to see the bird before it 
disappeared the following day. I'm not trying to criticize a person's decision 
of reporting, because it is ultimately their choice. I'm trying to get a better 
understanding of why this trend is increasing so rapidly?


Mark Chavez
Lakewood-Green Mtn
http://jaeger29.smugmug.com/

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RE: [cobirds] Re: Cobirds vs Ebird Reporting

[Art Hudak]

BirdTrax did not report my Palm Warbler (Western) from Bear Creek Park, Denver 
county on 10/25/15. It was on the list and I simply put 1 in the box verifying 
the species recognition. It did not come up as rare. This was my first record 
of this bird in Denver county.

Art Hudak, city of Denver, county of Denver.

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Re: [cobirds] Re: Cobirds vs Ebird Reporting

[Gary Brower]

Thanks, David!

I was hoping/waiting for you to weigh in.  I know you are involved in both 
"worlds", so your input is helpful.

Gary Brower
Englewood, CO

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> On Oct 30, 2015, at 8:19 PM, David Suddjian  wrote:
> 
> As an avid eBirder and regular CObirds poster, I agree that the two satisfy 
> different needs or purposes, but these overlap between the two outlets, too. 
> I don't principally use either for chasing purposes, as that is a not a main 
> interest for me, thus the immediacy is less a need. But I will note that a 
> CObirds post can be a good deal more informative about the birding experience 
> at a location, and offer much additional info that is lacking in the eBird 
> alerts or even on eBird checklists. It is easier to tell the story of the 
> birding experience via CObirds, or enjoy stories from others, and I like that 
> part. And easier to pose thoughts and delve into interesting questions. So 
> both are good outlets.
> 
> The current membership of CObirds is 1,409 people, so it is hard to see that 
> as an insider thing. I think many birders seek out regional lists as a basic 
> sort of info and can fidn CObirds that way, and anyone discovering CFO or DFO 
> could also readily learn about CObirds. 
> 
> David Suddjian
> Littleton, CO
> 
>> On Fri, Oct 30, 2015 at 8:05 PM, Steve Stachowiak  wrote:
>> Cobirders,
>> 
>> A "Thank You" to the parties that posted the Great-crested Flycatcher 
>> sighting to eBird and documenting the record for further discussion.
>> 
>> I am not following the logic to Mark's original post because even if the 
>> bird had been posted to CObirds the minute it was seen it would have been 
>> simply noted as a Great-crested Flycatcher; a good sighting but not 
>> extraordinary nor would it have included a picture.  The posting to eBird 
>> documented the sighting with pictures and possibly established the second 
>> state record of a rarer species than originally thought when posted.
>> 
>> It should be noted the CObirds and eBird are two entirely different things.  
>> Instead of the idea of one displacing the other it should be viewed as one 
>> augmenting the other.  Now birders have a wider array of information to 
>> learn about birds and their distribution from two sources.
>> 
>> Thirty years ago that information was only available in a monthly newsletter 
>> from the Denver Field Ornithologists (DFO) that arrived a month after the 
>> sightings.  Then DFO sponsored a recorded (on tape) bird sighting report 
>> that was available 24-7 assuming the administrator had updated the tape 
>> (which at times would be updated as many as eight or more times a day during 
>> the spring).  What progress!  How quaint!  How dated!  CObirds is an open 
>> forum that is used by everyone from beginners to experts and very 
>> accessible.  I can now be anywhere in the world and in thirty seconds or so 
>> on my phone view everything posted to both CObirds and eBirds allowing me to 
>> know more about the current status of birds in the State than was ever 
>> possible.
>> 
>> I do not have a problem saying that today's birders are spoiled by an 
>> embarrassment of riches.  Embrace them.  Use them.  Share the knowledge.  
>> Enrich the birding experience for everyone.  Show your passion!  Besides, in 
>> about five years all this will be obsolete anyways, and I cannot wait for 
>> what comes next!
>> 
>> Good Birding,
>> 
>> Steve Stachowiak
>> Highlands Ranch, CO
>> 
>>> On Friday, October 30, 2015 at 12:53:16 PM UTC-6, Mark wrote:
>>> Recently, I have noticed a trend of good to great chaseable birds not being 
>>> reported to CObirds but instead just added to the eBird checklist. The 
>>> reason for the email is that yesterday, a Great-crested Flycatcher was 
>>> reported from the Denver Botanical Gardens at Chatfield around 8:40 a.m. 
>>> After looking at the photos attached to the checklist, I'm struggling to 
>>> rule out a Brown-crested Flycatcher. The problem with this kind of 
>>> reporting is that you're not hearing about the bird until the next day. A 
>>> few weeks ago, a Tri-colored Heron was reported to CObirds and many people 
>>> were able to see the bird before it disappeared the following day. I'm not 
>>> trying to criticize a person's decision of reporting, because it is 
>>> ultimately their choice. I'm trying to get a better understanding of why 
>>> this trend is increasing so rapidly?
>>> 
>>> Mark Chavez
>>> Lakewood-Green Mtn
>>> http://jaeger29.smugmug.com/
>> 
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Re: [cobirds] Re: Cobirds vs Ebird Reporting

[David Suddjian]

As an avid eBirder and regular CObirds poster, I agree that the two satisfy
different needs or purposes, but these overlap between the two outlets,
too. I don't principally use either for chasing purposes, as that is a not
a main interest for me, thus the immediacy is less a need. But I will note
that a CObirds post can be a good deal more informative about the birding
experience at a location, and offer much additional info that is lacking in
the eBird alerts or even on eBird checklists. It is easier to tell the
story of the birding experience via CObirds, or enjoy stories from others,
and I like that part. And easier to pose thoughts and delve into
interesting questions. So both are good outlets.

The current membership of CObirds is 1,409 people, so it is hard to see
that as an insider thing. I think many birders seek out regional lists as a
basic sort of info and can fidn CObirds that way, and anyone discovering
CFO or DFO could also readily learn about CObirds.

David Suddjian
Littleton, CO

On Fri, Oct 30, 2015 at 8:05 PM, Steve Stachowiak  wrote:

> Cobirders,
>
> A "Thank You" to the parties that posted the Great-crested Flycatcher
> sighting to eBird and documenting the record for further discussion.
>
> I am not following the logic to Mark's original post because even if the
> bird had been posted to CObirds the minute it was seen it would have been
> simply noted as a Great-crested Flycatcher; a good sighting but not
> extraordinary nor would it have included a picture.  The posting to eBird
> documented the sighting with pictures and possibly established the second
> state record of a rarer species than originally thought when posted.
>
> It should be noted the CObirds and eBird are two entirely different
> things.  Instead of the idea of one displacing the other it should be
> viewed as one augmenting the other.  Now birders have a wider array of
> information to learn about birds and their distribution from two sources.
>
> Thirty years ago that information was only available in a monthly
> newsletter from the Denver Field Ornithologists (DFO) that arrived a month
> after the sightings.  Then DFO sponsored a recorded (on tape) bird sighting
> report that was available 24-7 assuming the administrator had updated the
> tape (which at times would be updated as many as eight or more times a day
> during the spring).  What progress!  How quaint!  How dated!  CObirds is an
> open forum that is used by everyone from beginners to experts and very
> accessible.  I can now be anywhere in the world and in thirty seconds or so
> on my phone view everything posted to both CObirds and eBirds allowing me
> to know more about the current status of birds in the State than was ever
> possible.
>
> I do not have a problem saying that today's birders are spoiled by an
> embarrassment of riches.  Embrace them.  Use them.  Share the knowledge.
> Enrich the birding experience for *everyone.*  Show your passion!
> Besides, in about five years all this will be obsolete anyways, and I
> cannot wait for what comes next!
>
> Good Birding,
>
> Steve Stachowiak
> Highlands Ranch, CO
>
> On Friday, October 30, 2015 at 12:53:16 PM UTC-6, Mark wrote:
>
>> Recently, I have noticed a trend of good to great chaseable birds not
>> being reported to CObirds but instead just added to the eBird checklist.
>> The reason for the email is that yesterday, a Great-crested Flycatcher was
>> reported from the Denver Botanical Gardens at Chatfield around 8:40 a.m.
>> After looking at the photos attached to the checklist, I'm struggling to
>> rule out a Brown-crested Flycatcher. The problem with this kind of
>> reporting is that you're not hearing about the bird until the next day. A
>> few weeks ago, a Tri-colored Heron was reported to CObirds and many people
>> were able to see the bird before it disappeared the following day. I'm not
>> trying to criticize a person's decision of reporting, because it is
>> ultimately their choice. I'm trying to get a better understanding of why
>> this trend is increasing so rapidly?
>>
>> Mark Chavez
>> Lakewood-Green Mtn
>> http://jaeger29.smugmug.com/
>>
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[cobirds] Re: Cobirds vs Ebird Reporting

[Steve Stachowiak]

Cobirders,

A "Thank You" to the parties that posted the Great-crested Flycatcher 
sighting to eBird and documenting the record for further discussion.

I am not following the logic to Mark's original post because even if the 
bird had been posted to CObirds the minute it was seen it would have been 
simply noted as a Great-crested Flycatcher; a good sighting but not 
extraordinary nor would it have included a picture.  The posting to eBird 
documented the sighting with pictures and possibly established the second 
state record of a rarer species than originally thought when posted.

It should be noted the CObirds and eBird are two entirely different 
things.  Instead of the idea of one displacing the other it should be 
viewed as one augmenting the other.  Now birders have a wider array of 
information to learn about birds and their distribution from two sources.

Thirty years ago that information was only available in a monthly 
newsletter from the Denver Field Ornithologists (DFO) that arrived a month 
after the sightings.  Then DFO sponsored a recorded (on tape) bird sighting 
report that was available 24-7 assuming the administrator had updated the 
tape (which at times would be updated as many as eight or more times a day 
during the spring).  What progress!  How quaint!  How dated!  CObirds is an 
open forum that is used by everyone from beginners to experts and very 
accessible.  I can now be anywhere in the world and in thirty seconds or so 
on my phone view everything posted to both CObirds and eBirds allowing me 
to know more about the current status of birds in the State than was ever 
possible.

I do not have a problem saying that today's birders are spoiled by an 
embarrassment of riches.  Embrace them.  Use them.  Share the knowledge.  
Enrich the birding experience for *everyone.*  Show your passion!  Besides, 
in about five years all this will be obsolete anyways, and I cannot wait 
for what comes next!

Good Birding,

Steve Stachowiak
Highlands Ranch, CO

On Friday, October 30, 2015 at 12:53:16 PM UTC-6, Mark wrote:

> Recently, I have noticed a trend of good to great chaseable birds not 
> being reported to CObirds but instead just added to the eBird checklist. 
> The reason for the email is that yesterday, a Great-crested Flycatcher was 
> reported from the Denver Botanical Gardens at Chatfield around 8:40 a.m. 
> After looking at the photos attached to the checklist, I'm struggling to 
> rule out a Brown-crested Flycatcher. The problem with this kind of 
> reporting is that you're not hearing about the bird until the next day. A 
> few weeks ago, a Tri-colored Heron was reported to CObirds and many people 
> were able to see the bird before it disappeared the following day. I'm not 
> trying to criticize a person's decision of reporting, because it is 
> ultimately their choice. I'm trying to get a better understanding of why 
> this trend is increasing so rapidly?
>
> Mark Chavez
> Lakewood-Green Mtn
> http://jaeger29.smugmug.com/
>

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Re: [cobirds] Re: Cobirds vs Ebird Reporting

[Marcia Maeda]

This is a belated note of appreciation for those who continue to post on 
Cobirds, often with narratives.  Some of us don't use ebird, and the stories on 
Cobirds are often instructive.

Marcia Maeda

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> On Oct 30, 2015, at 8:19 PM, "David Suddjian"  wrote:
> 
> As an avid eBirder and regular CObirds poster, I agree that the two satisfy 
> different needs or purposes, but these overlap between the two outlets, too. 
> I don't principally use either for chasing purposes, as that is a not a main 
> interest for me, thus the immediacy is less a need. But I will note that a 
> CObirds post can be a good deal more informative about the birding experience 
> at a location, and offer much additional info that is lacking in the eBird 
> alerts or even on eBird checklists. It is easier to tell the story of the 
> birding experience via CObirds, or enjoy stories from others, and I like that 
> part. And easier to pose thoughts and delve into interesting questions. So 
> both are good outlets.
> 
> The current membership of CObirds is 1,409 people, so it is hard to see that 
> as an insider thing. I think many birders seek out regional lists as a basic 
> sort of info and can fidn CObirds that way, and anyone discovering CFO or DFO 
> could also readily learn about CObirds. 
> 
> David Suddjian
> Littleton, CO
> 
>> On Fri, Oct 30, 2015 at 8:05 PM, Steve Stachowiak  wrote:
>> Cobirders,
>> 
>> A "Thank You" to the parties that posted the Great-crested Flycatcher 
>> sighting to eBird and documenting the record for further discussion.
>> 
>> I am not following the logic to Mark's original post because even if the 
>> bird had been posted to CObirds the minute it was seen it would have been 
>> simply noted as a Great-crested Flycatcher; a good sighting but not 
>> extraordinary nor would it have included a picture.  The posting to eBird 
>> documented the sighting with pictures and possibly established the second 
>> state record of a rarer species than originally thought when posted.
>> 
>> It should be noted the CObirds and eBird are two entirely different things.  
>> Instead of the idea of one displacing the other it should be viewed as one 
>> augmenting the other.  Now birders have a wider array of information to 
>> learn about birds and their distribution from two sources.
>> 
>> Thirty years ago that information was only available in a monthly newsletter 
>> from the Denver Field Ornithologists (DFO) that arrived a month after the 
>> sightings.  Then DFO sponsored a recorded (on tape) bird sighting report 
>> that was available 24-7 assuming the administrator had updated the tape 
>> (which at times would be updated as many as eight or more times a day during 
>> the spring).  What progress!  How quaint!  How dated!  CObirds is an open 
>> forum that is used by everyone from beginners to experts and very 
>> accessible.  I can now be anywhere in the world and in thirty seconds or so 
>> on my phone view everything posted to both CObirds and eBirds allowing me to 
>> know more about the current status of birds in the State than was ever 
>> possible.
>> 
>> I do not have a problem saying that today's birders are spoiled by an 
>> embarrassment of riches.  Embrace them.  Use them.  Share the knowledge.  
>> Enrich the birding experience for everyone.  Show your passion!  Besides, in 
>> about five years all this will be obsolete anyways, and I cannot wait for 
>> what comes next!
>> 
>> Good Birding,
>> 
>> Steve Stachowiak
>> Highlands Ranch, CO
>> 
>>> On Friday, October 30, 2015 at 12:53:16 PM UTC-6, Mark wrote:
>>> Recently, I have noticed a trend of good to great chaseable birds not being 
>>> reported to CObirds but instead just added to the eBird checklist. The 
>>> reason for the email is that yesterday, a Great-crested Flycatcher was 
>>> reported from the Denver Botanical Gardens at Chatfield around 8:40 a.m. 
>>> After looking at the photos attached to the checklist, I'm struggling to 
>>> rule out a Brown-crested Flycatcher. The problem with this kind of 
>>> reporting is that you're not hearing about the bird until the next day. A 
>>> few weeks ago, a Tri-colored Heron was reported to CObirds and many people 
>>> were able to see the bird before it disappeared the following day. I'm not 
>>> trying to criticize a person's decision of reporting, because it is 
>>> ultimately their choice. I'm trying to get a better understanding of why 
>>> this trend is increasing so rapidly?
>>> 
>>> Mark Chavez
>>> Lakewood-Green Mtn
>>> http://jaeger29.smugmug.com/
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[cobirds] Common Redpoll in Estes Park (Larimer)

[irene_fortune]

This morning and yesterday morning, I saw one Common Redpoll at 
Matthews-Reeser Sanctuary.  Both vocalized frequently, sounding similar to 
American Goldfinch or Pine Siskin.  Every time I've seen one perched (4 
times) it was near the top of one of those reddish-brown bark bushes with 
red-brown catkins (lot of these along paved path).  This morning, I had a 
great view of a white bird with narrow stripes, red forehead above yellow 
beak with black chin and pink breast.  Yesterday's bird looked darker, 
lacking pink breast.  Maybe there are two, maybe it was poor light.
Irene Fortune

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[cobirds] Banner Lakes SWA - Weld County

[Mark Amershek]

I was out at Banner Lakes (about 5 miles east of Hudson) yesterday.  It is 
currently shut down (both the North and South sides) to the general public 
and is only open to Waterfowl hunters on weekends until December 1.  It 
will then be open for the public until December 18th after which it will be 
closed until the end of the second round of Waterfowl hunting.  If you plan 
to use this area for bird watching please note on your calendar those open 
days during the first two weeks in December.  This area is really 
interesting since it has thirteen lakes and ponds which can be very bird 
friendly.

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[cobirds] RE: Cobirds vs Ebird Reporting

[markchavez]

Recently, I have noticed a trend of good to great chaseable birds not being 
reported to CObirds but instead just added to the eBird checklist. The reason 
for the email is that yesterday, a Great-crested Flycatcher was reported from 
the Denver Botanical Gardens at Chatfield around 8:40 a.m. After looking at the 
photos attached to the checklist, I'm struggling to rule out a Brown-crested 
Flycatcher. The problem with this kind of reporting is that you're not hearing 
about the bird until the next day. A few weeks ago, a Tri-colored Heron was 
reported to CObirds and many people were able to see the bird before it 
disappeared the following day. I'm not trying to criticize a person's decision 
of reporting, because it is ultimately their choice. I'm trying to get a better 
understanding of why this trend is increasing so rapidly?


Mark ChavezLakewood-Green Mtnhttp://jaeger29.smugmug.com/

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[cobirds] Colorado Rare Bird Alert, 30 October 2015

[Joyce Takamine]

Compiler:   Joyce Takamine
e-mail: RBA AT cobirds.org
Date:  October 30, 2015
This is the Rare Bird Alert, Friday, October 30 sponsored by Denver Field
Ornithologists and the Bird Conservancy of the Rockies.

Highlight species include: (* indicates new information on this species).

Greater White-fronted Goose (Adams, Kiowa)
Surf Scoter (Arapahoe, Larimer, Park, Montrose, Weld)
White-winged Scoter (Arapahoe)
Black Scoter (*El Paso)
Barrow's Goldeneye (Routt)
Sharp-tailed Grouse (Weld)
Red-throated Loon (*Boulder)
Red-necked Grebe (Boulder, Douglas, El Paso, Jefferson, Larimer)
Broad-Winged Hawk (Boulder)
Ruddy Turnstone (Douglas)
Dunlin (Larimer)
Red Phalarope (Boulder, Logan)
Pomarine Jaeger (Park)
Thayer's Gull (Adams, Weld)
Lesser Black-backed Gull (Adams, Larimer, Morgan, Washington)
Caspian Tern (Pueblo)
RUBY-THROATED HUMMINGBIRD (Jefferson)
Red-bellied Woodpecker (Bent, Lincoln, Prowers, Weld)
Yellow-bellied Sapsucker (El Paso)
American Three-toed Woodpecker (Park)
Eastern Phoebe (Montrose, Pueblo,  Weld)
Black Phoebe (Mesa)
Great Crested Flycatcher (*Jefferson)
Blue-headed Vireo (Kit Carson, Lincoln, Prowers)
Winter Wren (Morgan)
SEDGE WREN (Weld)
Wood Thrush (Kit Carson)
Curve-billed Thrasher (Bent)
Sprague's Pipit (El Paso, Weld, Yuma)
Chestnut-collared Longspur (Kiowa, Larimer, Montezuma, Morgan, Prowers)
McCown's Longspur (Denver, Morgan, Pueblo)
Lapland Longspur (Weld)
Nashville Warbler (Prowers)
MOURNING WARBLER (Kit Carson)
Northern Parula (Weld)
Chestnut-sided Warbler (Denver)
Palm Warbler (Denver)
Rufous-crowned Sparrow (Fremont)
Canyon Towhee (Baca, Bent)
Field Sparrow (El Paso, Prowers)
Harris's Sparrow (Bent)
Swamp Sparrow (Boulder)
Golden-crowned Sparrow (Boulder)
Rusty Blackbird (Larimer)

ADAMS COUNTY:
--18 Greater White-fronted Geese were reported by Scott Someshoe at Barr
Lake SP on October 15.
--A Thayer's Gull was reported by David Dowell at Barr Lake SP on October
18.
--A Lesser Black-backed Gull was reported by Candice Johnson at Barr Lake
SP on October 20.

ARAPAHOE COUNTY:
--A White-winged Scoter was reported by Gene Rutherford at Cherry Creek SP
at the Smoky Hill Picnic Area on October 18.
--A Surf Scoter was reported by Hugh Kingery at S Platte Reservoir in South
Platte Park on October 24.  On October 25, Jim Schmoker, Scott Manwaring,
and Tom Behnfield reported Scurf Scoter at South Platte Reservoir.  On
October 27, Mindy Musick King reported Surf Scoter at South Platte
Reservoir.

BACA COUNTY:
--3 Canyon Towhees were reported by Mark L Hoffman at Cottonwood Canyon on
October 21.
--Mark L Hoffman reported Canyon Towhee at Carrizo Canyon on October 21.

BENT COUNTY:
--On October 18, Duane Nelson reports that he has visiting Red-bellied
Woodpecker, Canyon Towhee, Harris's Sparrow, and Curve-billed Thrasher at
his yard in Las Animas.  Birders are welcome if you notify Duane first.
Contact him at dnelson1 AT centurytel.net

BOULDER COUNTY:
--A Red-necked Grebe was reported by John Rutenbeck near Lagerman Reservoir
on October 19.
--A Red Phalarope was reported by Chris Rurik at Prince Lake #2 on October
22 and the bird was seen by many birders on October 22.
--A Broad-winged Hawk was reported by J. D. Birchmeier at Valmont
Presbyterian Church Pond on October 24.
--A Swamp Sparrow was reported by Ted Floyd in the SW corner of Stearns
Lake on October 24.
--On October 25, David Dowell found Golden-crowned Sparrow at Teller Farm
and Ted Floyd reported at Lesser Black-backed Gull flying overhead.  On
October 27, Eva Matthews reported Golden-crowned Sparrow at Teller Farm.
--On October 27, John Vanderpoel reported Red-throated Loon at Terry Lake.
The loon was seen by many birders on October 27.
On October 28, Red-throated Loon was reported by Steve Mlodinow, Boulder
Bird Club, Todd Deininter, Jesse Casias, and Bill Kaempfer.  On October 29,
Tom Behnfield reported Red-throated Loon at Terry Lake.

DENVER COUNTY:
--A Chestnut-sided Warbler was reported by Jeff Dawson at Washington Park
on October 15.
--A McCown's Longspur was reported by Jeff Dawson near DIA on W Cargo Road
on October 18.
--A western Palm Warbler was reported by Art Hudak at Bear Creek Park on
October 25.  The park of off Kenyon adjacent to Fort Logan National
Cemetery.

DOUGLAS COUNTY:
--A Red-necked Grebe was reported by Joey Kellner at the original Heron
Overlook at Chatfield SP on October 18.
--Red necked Grebe was reported by David Suddjian near marina sandspit on
October 20.
--A Red-necked Grebe was reported by Joey Kellner near marina sandspit on
October 24.

EL PASO COUNTY:
--A Red-necked Grebe was reported by Mark Peterson at Big Johnson in the
Northeast corner on October 17.  On October 19, Mark Peterson refound
Red-necked Grebe at Big Johnson.  On October 24, Steve Getty reported
Red-necked Grebe at Big Johnson.
--On October 29, John Drummond reported f-type Black Scoter at Big Johnson

--EL PASO/PUEBLO COUNTIES:  Chico Basin Ranch
--On October 15, 5 Sprague's Pipits were reported by Jeannie Mitchell and