Re: [cobirds] Sound ID

[l p]

 in the past i was able to record bird song using the merlin app  or 
birdnet app on my Samsung phone, send the recording to my email and 
ultimately attach the bird ID recording to an ebird checklist accessed on 
my desktop computer.   recently,  for some reason, the  apps capture the 
bird song, and ID the bird, however,  when i finally attach to checklist  
there is virtually no sound recording -   i.e., the attachment works, but 
the  checklist media recording  is so quiet it is worthless.i recall a 
youtube video by CFO (i think)  for the Merlin app, although i can't 
locate it.   can somebody please send me the link for the youtube video?  
or a link to a good youtube video about this topic.   maybe i can get this 
straightened out on my own without too much back and forth and people's 
time.   

and to be fair, for this particular ID task, the birdnet app, although 
'clunky',  did work better than Merlin, although Merlin has now really 
improved the sound ID feature. 

technology: all microphones and speakers are turned up to full volume, 
fyi.  

lastly,  I don't keep checklists on my phone, i just don't have the 
accurate field ID skills, so, I do it old fashioned way;i keep a 
notepad list and take lots of photos in the field, then at home work on 
bird ID, and finally process the checklist (species and media) from my  
desktop.   

thanks
linda purcell 

On Saturday, July 10, 2021 at 2:42:36 PM UTC-6 Nathan Pieplow wrote:

> It's true that Merlin Sound ID will get better with time. Right now it 
> only recognizes 458 species. It's also likely to work better with songs 
> than with calls, and it works better when you are in an area with cell 
> service. If you have no service, it can't check its list of suggestions 
> against what's expected to be in your area at that time.
>
> And Chuck is right to recommend thinking of it as "Merlin Sound 
> Suggestions." In fact, the word the Merlin team uses for the bird names 
> that pop up is "predictions." 
>
>
> https://www.macaulaylibrary.org/2021/06/22/behind-the-scenes-of-sound-id-in-merlin/
>
> But it is a pretty cool feat of coding, and I highly recommend getting out 
> and testing it for yourself. 
>
> Nathan Pieplow
> Boulder
>
> On Sat, Jul 10, 2021 at 1:37 PM Charles Hundertmark  
> wrote:
>
>> Here’s what Merlin folks offer as a feedback route:
>>
>> "If you’ve tried Sound ID in Merlin, we’d love to hear about your 
>> experience. You can get in touch on Twitter, where the Macaulay Library is 
>> @MacaulayLibrary ."
>>
>> I’ve avoided Twitter, so doesn’t work for me.
>>
>> Chuck
>>
>> On Jul 10, 2021, at 1:07 PM, Gary Brower  wrote:
>>
>> Chip, Jeff, Charles, et al,
>>
>> Thanks for the great info on the backgrounds of BirdNet and Merlin. I 
>> know that these will get better in time. 
>>
>> Is there a way to let the Merlin-ites know of the false/problematic ID of 
>> the Pine Warbler (in my case), so that they can use that feedback to tweak 
>> things in subsequent releases?
>>
>> Gary Brower
>> Unincorporated Arapahoe County
>>
>>
>>
>> On Jul 10, 2021, at 12:45 PM, Chip Clouse  wrote:
>>
>> I ran into Andrew Spencer and Nathan Pieplow out on the Pawnee a 
>> couple of weeks ago and Andrew basically said (if I understood correctly) 
>> that Birdnet and Merlin were different teams of Cornell etc. researchers 
>> working on the same question separately. He said Merlin should be more 
>> accurate than Birdnet and will also get better with time. It only 
>> recognizes a limited number of species currently and I've had it suggest 
>> crazy things way out of range. Eventually it will be amazing and I'm 
>> already impressed.
>>
>> Chip Clouse
>> Erie, CO
>>
>> On Sat, Jul 10, 2021, 12:37 PM Gary Brower  wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks, Jeff.
>>>
>>> I used Bird Net too, before Merlin.  I agree about Merlin’s interface 
>>> being a lot more user-friendly.I wasn’t sure how to do the upload, 
>>> though, so your email was helpful.
>>>
>>> BirdNet says Dark-Eyed Junco, with Chipping Sparrow second, and 
>>> Flammulated Owl third.  I’ll go with DEJU!
>>>
>>> Interesting, that BirdNet was (is?) associated with Cornell, too . . . 
>>> and that they’d give such different results!
>>>
>>> Gary Brower
>>> Unincorporated Arapahoe County
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Jul 10, 2021, at 9:24 AM, Jeff Percell  wrote:
>>>
>>> I've been using the Merlin Bird Sound app since it was first released in 
>>> beta. I've found that while it's amazing, I've also seen several false IDs, 
>>> particularly when there is some background noise such as wind. 
>>>
>>> You also might try to upload the audio here, which is the API behind 
>>> Bird NET, which is an app I was using prior to Merlin (which I've now 
>>> switched over to Merlin because it's a lot more user friendly).
>>>
>>> https://birdnet.cornell.edu/api/
>>>
>>> Also, you might upload your sound somewhere that makes it a little 
>>> easier for others to view, such as an 

Re: [cobirds] Sound ID

[Arthur Bezuidenhout]

I think that it is actually well done. I have used it on recorded songs,
and they have come out spot on, The very best part is it actually picks up
songs of several birds that may be singing, and even picks up sounds that
my ears did not  hear. It will give you suggestions of all the birds it
"hears".

Bez Bezuidenhout
Arapahoe County

On Sat, Jul 10, 2021 at 2:42 PM Nathan Pieplow  wrote:

> It's true that Merlin Sound ID will get better with time. Right now it
> only recognizes 458 species. It's also likely to work better with songs
> than with calls, and it works better when you are in an area with cell
> service. If you have no service, it can't check its list of suggestions
> against what's expected to be in your area at that time.
>
> And Chuck is right to recommend thinking of it as "Merlin Sound
> Suggestions." In fact, the word the Merlin team uses for the bird names
> that pop up is "predictions."
>
>
> https://www.macaulaylibrary.org/2021/06/22/behind-the-scenes-of-sound-id-in-merlin/
>
> But it is a pretty cool feat of coding, and I highly recommend getting out
> and testing it for yourself.
>
> Nathan Pieplow
> Boulder
>
> On Sat, Jul 10, 2021 at 1:37 PM Charles Hundertmark <
> chundertma...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Here’s what Merlin folks offer as a feedback route:
>>
>> "If you’ve tried Sound ID in Merlin, we’d love to hear about your
>> experience. You can get in touch on Twitter, where the Macaulay Library is
>> @MacaulayLibrary ."
>>
>> I’ve avoided Twitter, so doesn’t work for me.
>>
>> Chuck
>>
>> On Jul 10, 2021, at 1:07 PM, Gary Brower  wrote:
>>
>> Chip, Jeff, Charles, et al,
>>
>> Thanks for the great info on the backgrounds of BirdNet and Merlin. I
>> know that these will get better in time.
>>
>> Is there a way to let the Merlin-ites know of the false/problematic ID of
>> the Pine Warbler (in my case), so that they can use that feedback to tweak
>> things in subsequent releases?
>>
>> Gary Brower
>> Unincorporated Arapahoe County
>>
>>
>>
>> On Jul 10, 2021, at 12:45 PM, Chip Clouse  wrote:
>>
>> I ran into Andrew Spencer and Nathan Pieplow out on the Pawnee a
>> couple of weeks ago and Andrew basically said (if I understood correctly)
>> that Birdnet and Merlin were different teams of Cornell etc. researchers
>> working on the same question separately. He said Merlin should be more
>> accurate than Birdnet and will also get better with time. It only
>> recognizes a limited number of species currently and I've had it suggest
>> crazy things way out of range. Eventually it will be amazing and I'm
>> already impressed.
>>
>> Chip Clouse
>> Erie, CO
>>
>> On Sat, Jul 10, 2021, 12:37 PM Gary Brower  wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks, Jeff.
>>>
>>> I used Bird Net too, before Merlin.  I agree about Merlin’s interface
>>> being a lot more user-friendly.I wasn’t sure how to do the upload,
>>> though, so your email was helpful.
>>>
>>> BirdNet says Dark-Eyed Junco, with Chipping Sparrow second, and
>>> Flammulated Owl third.  I’ll go with DEJU!
>>>
>>> Interesting, that BirdNet was (is?) associated with Cornell, too . . .
>>> and that they’d give such different results!
>>>
>>> Gary Brower
>>> Unincorporated Arapahoe County
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Jul 10, 2021, at 9:24 AM, Jeff Percell 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> I've been using the Merlin Bird Sound app since it was first released in
>>> beta. I've found that while it's amazing, I've also seen several false IDs,
>>> particularly when there is some background noise such as wind.
>>>
>>> You also might try to upload the audio here, which is the API behind
>>> Bird NET, which is an app I was using prior to Merlin (which I've now
>>> switched over to Merlin because it's a lot more user friendly).
>>>
>>> https://birdnet.cornell.edu/api/
>>>
>>> Also, you might upload your sound somewhere that makes it a little
>>> easier for others to view, such as an eBird checklist (which as the ID is
>>> in question, upload it as Passerine sp. initially).
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Jeff Percell
>>> Weld County
>>>
>>> On Friday, July 9, 2021 at 7:52:32 PM UTC-6 grb...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 COBirders,

 Yesterday, I participated in David Hallock’s Indian Peaks Breeding Bird
 Count. My “area” was the Woodland Lake Trail (accessed from Hessie
 Trailhead, near Nederland). I kept hearing a bird that I couldn’t quite
 identify. It didn’t sound quite like a Chipping Sparrow or Dark-eyed Junco,
 so I thought I’d try the new Merlin Bird Sound app (which is amazing, I
 must say). Without hesitation, or providing any other suggestions, it
 identified the sound/bird as a Pine Warbler. Since eBird designates that
 bird as “rare”, I don’t want to say that that’s what it was, solely on the
 basis of the call.

 I have a recording that I’m happy to share, if someone would like to
 help me (and Merlin) make the right (pardon the pun) “call”.

 Thanks so much!

 Gary Brower
 

Re: [cobirds] Sound ID

[Nathan Pieplow]

It's true that Merlin Sound ID will get better with time. Right now it only
recognizes 458 species. It's also likely to work better with songs than
with calls, and it works better when you are in an area with cell service.
If you have no service, it can't check its list of suggestions against
what's expected to be in your area at that time.

And Chuck is right to recommend thinking of it as "Merlin Sound
Suggestions." In fact, the word the Merlin team uses for the bird names
that pop up is "predictions."

https://www.macaulaylibrary.org/2021/06/22/behind-the-scenes-of-sound-id-in-merlin/

But it is a pretty cool feat of coding, and I highly recommend getting out
and testing it for yourself.

Nathan Pieplow
Boulder

On Sat, Jul 10, 2021 at 1:37 PM Charles Hundertmark 
wrote:

> Here’s what Merlin folks offer as a feedback route:
>
> "If you’ve tried Sound ID in Merlin, we’d love to hear about your
> experience. You can get in touch on Twitter, where the Macaulay Library is
> @MacaulayLibrary ."
>
> I’ve avoided Twitter, so doesn’t work for me.
>
> Chuck
>
> On Jul 10, 2021, at 1:07 PM, Gary Brower  wrote:
>
> Chip, Jeff, Charles, et al,
>
> Thanks for the great info on the backgrounds of BirdNet and Merlin. I know
> that these will get better in time.
>
> Is there a way to let the Merlin-ites know of the false/problematic ID of
> the Pine Warbler (in my case), so that they can use that feedback to tweak
> things in subsequent releases?
>
> Gary Brower
> Unincorporated Arapahoe County
>
>
>
> On Jul 10, 2021, at 12:45 PM, Chip Clouse  wrote:
>
> I ran into Andrew Spencer and Nathan Pieplow out on the Pawnee a couple of
> weeks ago and Andrew basically said (if I understood correctly) that
> Birdnet and Merlin were different teams of Cornell etc. researchers working
> on the same question separately. He said Merlin should be more accurate
> than Birdnet and will also get better with time. It only recognizes a
> limited number of species currently and I've had it suggest crazy things
> way out of range. Eventually it will be amazing and I'm already impressed.
>
> Chip Clouse
> Erie, CO
>
> On Sat, Jul 10, 2021, 12:37 PM Gary Brower  wrote:
>
>> Thanks, Jeff.
>>
>> I used Bird Net too, before Merlin.  I agree about Merlin’s interface
>> being a lot more user-friendly.I wasn’t sure how to do the upload,
>> though, so your email was helpful.
>>
>> BirdNet says Dark-Eyed Junco, with Chipping Sparrow second, and
>> Flammulated Owl third.  I’ll go with DEJU!
>>
>> Interesting, that BirdNet was (is?) associated with Cornell, too . . .
>> and that they’d give such different results!
>>
>> Gary Brower
>> Unincorporated Arapahoe County
>>
>>
>>
>> On Jul 10, 2021, at 9:24 AM, Jeff Percell  wrote:
>>
>> I've been using the Merlin Bird Sound app since it was first released in
>> beta. I've found that while it's amazing, I've also seen several false IDs,
>> particularly when there is some background noise such as wind.
>>
>> You also might try to upload the audio here, which is the API behind Bird
>> NET, which is an app I was using prior to Merlin (which I've now switched
>> over to Merlin because it's a lot more user friendly).
>>
>> https://birdnet.cornell.edu/api/
>>
>> Also, you might upload your sound somewhere that makes it a little easier
>> for others to view, such as an eBird checklist (which as the ID is in
>> question, upload it as Passerine sp. initially).
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Jeff Percell
>> Weld County
>>
>> On Friday, July 9, 2021 at 7:52:32 PM UTC-6 grb...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> COBirders,
>>>
>>> Yesterday, I participated in David Hallock’s Indian Peaks Breeding Bird
>>> Count. My “area” was the Woodland Lake Trail (accessed from Hessie
>>> Trailhead, near Nederland). I kept hearing a bird that I couldn’t quite
>>> identify. It didn’t sound quite like a Chipping Sparrow or Dark-eyed Junco,
>>> so I thought I’d try the new Merlin Bird Sound app (which is amazing, I
>>> must say). Without hesitation, or providing any other suggestions, it
>>> identified the sound/bird as a Pine Warbler. Since eBird designates that
>>> bird as “rare”, I don’t want to say that that’s what it was, solely on the
>>> basis of the call.
>>>
>>> I have a recording that I’m happy to share, if someone would like to
>>> help me (and Merlin) make the right (pardon the pun) “call”.
>>>
>>> Thanks so much!
>>>
>>> Gary Brower
>>> Unincorporated Arapahoe County
>>
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Re: [cobirds] Sound ID

[Gary Brower]

Thanks, Chuck,

It would make sense that to communicate with Merlin, one would “tweet”. . .  
but I don’t either.

Gary

> On Jul 10, 2021, at 1:37 PM, Charles Hundertmark  
> wrote:
> 
> Here’s what Merlin folks offer as a feedback route:
> 
> "If you’ve tried Sound ID in Merlin, we’d love to hear about your experience. 
> You can get in touch on Twitter, where the Macaulay Library is 
> @MacaulayLibrary ."
> 
> I’ve avoided Twitter, so doesn’t work for me.
> 
> Chuck
> 
>> On Jul 10, 2021, at 1:07 PM, Gary Brower > > wrote:
>> 
>> Chip, Jeff, Charles, et al,
>> 
>> Thanks for the great info on the backgrounds of BirdNet and Merlin. I know 
>> that these will get better in time. 
>> 
>> Is there a way to let the Merlin-ites know of the false/problematic ID of 
>> the Pine Warbler (in my case), so that they can use that feedback to tweak 
>> things in subsequent releases?
>> 
>> Gary Brower
>> Unincorporated Arapahoe County
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jul 10, 2021, at 12:45 PM, Chip Clouse >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> I ran into Andrew Spencer and Nathan Pieplow out on the Pawnee a couple of 
>>> weeks ago and Andrew basically said (if I understood correctly) that 
>>> Birdnet and Merlin were different teams of Cornell etc. researchers working 
>>> on the same question separately. He said Merlin should be more accurate 
>>> than Birdnet and will also get better with time. It only recognizes a 
>>> limited number of species currently and I've had it suggest crazy things 
>>> way out of range. Eventually it will be amazing and I'm already impressed.
>>> 
>>> Chip Clouse
>>> Erie, CO
>>> 
>>> On Sat, Jul 10, 2021, 12:37 PM Gary Brower >> > wrote:
>>> Thanks, Jeff.
>>> 
>>> I used Bird Net too, before Merlin.  I agree about Merlin’s interface being 
>>> a lot more user-friendly.I wasn’t sure how to do the upload, though, so 
>>> your email was helpful.
>>> 
>>> BirdNet says Dark-Eyed Junco, with Chipping Sparrow second, and Flammulated 
>>> Owl third.  I’ll go with DEJU!
>>> 
>>> Interesting, that BirdNet was (is?) associated with Cornell, too . . . and 
>>> that they’d give such different results!
>>> 
>>> Gary Brower
>>> Unincorporated Arapahoe County
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On Jul 10, 2021, at 9:24 AM, Jeff Percell >>> > wrote:
 
 I've been using the Merlin Bird Sound app since it was first released in 
 beta. I've found that while it's amazing, I've also seen several false 
 IDs, particularly when there is some background noise such as wind. 
 
 You also might try to upload the audio here, which is the API behind Bird 
 NET, which is an app I was using prior to Merlin (which I've now switched 
 over to Merlin because it's a lot more user friendly).
 
 https://birdnet.cornell.edu/api/ 
 
 Also, you might upload your sound somewhere that makes it a little easier 
 for others to view, such as an eBird checklist (which as the ID is in 
 question, upload it as Passerine sp. initially). 
 
 Thanks,
 Jeff Percell
 Weld County
 
 On Friday, July 9, 2021 at 7:52:32 PM UTC-6 grb...@gmail.com 
  wrote:
 COBirders, 
 
 Yesterday, I participated in David Hallock’s Indian Peaks Breeding Bird 
 Count. My “area” was the Woodland Lake Trail (accessed from Hessie 
 Trailhead, near Nederland). I kept hearing a bird that I couldn’t quite 
 identify. It didn’t sound quite like a Chipping Sparrow or Dark-eyed 
 Junco, so I thought I’d try the new Merlin Bird Sound app (which is 
 amazing, I must say). Without hesitation, or providing any other 
 suggestions, it identified the sound/bird as a Pine Warbler. Since eBird 
 designates that bird as “rare”, I don’t want to say that that’s what it 
 was, solely on the basis of the call. 
 
 I have a recording that I’m happy to share, if someone would like to help 
 me (and Merlin) make the right (pardon the pun) “call”. 
 
 Thanks so much! 
 
 Gary Brower 
 Unincorporated Arapahoe County
 
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Re: [cobirds] Sound ID

[Charles Hundertmark]

Here’s what Merlin folks offer as a feedback route:

"If you’ve tried Sound ID in Merlin, we’d love to hear about your experience. 
You can get in touch on Twitter, where the Macaulay Library is @MacaulayLibrary 
."

I’ve avoided Twitter, so doesn’t work for me.

Chuck

> On Jul 10, 2021, at 1:07 PM, Gary Brower  wrote:
> 
> Chip, Jeff, Charles, et al,
> 
> Thanks for the great info on the backgrounds of BirdNet and Merlin. I know 
> that these will get better in time. 
> 
> Is there a way to let the Merlin-ites know of the false/problematic ID of the 
> Pine Warbler (in my case), so that they can use that feedback to tweak things 
> in subsequent releases?
> 
> Gary Brower
> Unincorporated Arapahoe County
> 
> 
> 
>> On Jul 10, 2021, at 12:45 PM, Chip Clouse > > wrote:
>> 
>> I ran into Andrew Spencer and Nathan Pieplow out on the Pawnee a couple of 
>> weeks ago and Andrew basically said (if I understood correctly) that Birdnet 
>> and Merlin were different teams of Cornell etc. researchers working on the 
>> same question separately. He said Merlin should be more accurate than 
>> Birdnet and will also get better with time. It only recognizes a limited 
>> number of species currently and I've had it suggest crazy things way out of 
>> range. Eventually it will be amazing and I'm already impressed.
>> 
>> Chip Clouse
>> Erie, CO
>> 
>> On Sat, Jul 10, 2021, 12:37 PM Gary Brower > > wrote:
>> Thanks, Jeff.
>> 
>> I used Bird Net too, before Merlin.  I agree about Merlin’s interface being 
>> a lot more user-friendly.I wasn’t sure how to do the upload, though, so 
>> your email was helpful.
>> 
>> BirdNet says Dark-Eyed Junco, with Chipping Sparrow second, and Flammulated 
>> Owl third.  I’ll go with DEJU!
>> 
>> Interesting, that BirdNet was (is?) associated with Cornell, too . . . and 
>> that they’d give such different results!
>> 
>> Gary Brower
>> Unincorporated Arapahoe County
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jul 10, 2021, at 9:24 AM, Jeff Percell >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> I've been using the Merlin Bird Sound app since it was first released in 
>>> beta. I've found that while it's amazing, I've also seen several false IDs, 
>>> particularly when there is some background noise such as wind. 
>>> 
>>> You also might try to upload the audio here, which is the API behind Bird 
>>> NET, which is an app I was using prior to Merlin (which I've now switched 
>>> over to Merlin because it's a lot more user friendly).
>>> 
>>> https://birdnet.cornell.edu/api/ 
>>> 
>>> Also, you might upload your sound somewhere that makes it a little easier 
>>> for others to view, such as an eBird checklist (which as the ID is in 
>>> question, upload it as Passerine sp. initially). 
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> Jeff Percell
>>> Weld County
>>> 
>>> On Friday, July 9, 2021 at 7:52:32 PM UTC-6 grb...@gmail.com 
>>>  wrote:
>>> COBirders, 
>>> 
>>> Yesterday, I participated in David Hallock’s Indian Peaks Breeding Bird 
>>> Count. My “area” was the Woodland Lake Trail (accessed from Hessie 
>>> Trailhead, near Nederland). I kept hearing a bird that I couldn’t quite 
>>> identify. It didn’t sound quite like a Chipping Sparrow or Dark-eyed Junco, 
>>> so I thought I’d try the new Merlin Bird Sound app (which is amazing, I 
>>> must say). Without hesitation, or providing any other suggestions, it 
>>> identified the sound/bird as a Pine Warbler. Since eBird designates that 
>>> bird as “rare”, I don’t want to say that that’s what it was, solely on the 
>>> basis of the call. 
>>> 
>>> I have a recording that I’m happy to share, if someone would like to help 
>>> me (and Merlin) make the right (pardon the pun) “call”. 
>>> 
>>> Thanks so much! 
>>> 
>>> Gary Brower 
>>> Unincorporated Arapahoe County
>>> 
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Re: [cobirds] Sound ID

[Gary Brower]

Chip, Jeff, Charles, et al,

Thanks for the great info on the backgrounds of BirdNet and Merlin. I know that 
these will get better in time. 

Is there a way to let the Merlin-ites know of the false/problematic ID of the 
Pine Warbler (in my case), so that they can use that feedback to tweak things 
in subsequent releases?

Gary Brower
Unincorporated Arapahoe County



> On Jul 10, 2021, at 12:45 PM, Chip Clouse  wrote:
> 
> I ran into Andrew Spencer and Nathan Pieplow out on the Pawnee a couple of 
> weeks ago and Andrew basically said (if I understood correctly) that Birdnet 
> and Merlin were different teams of Cornell etc. researchers working on the 
> same question separately. He said Merlin should be more accurate than Birdnet 
> and will also get better with time. It only recognizes a limited number of 
> species currently and I've had it suggest crazy things way out of range. 
> Eventually it will be amazing and I'm already impressed.
> 
> Chip Clouse
> Erie, CO
> 
> On Sat, Jul 10, 2021, 12:37 PM Gary Brower  > wrote:
> Thanks, Jeff.
> 
> I used Bird Net too, before Merlin.  I agree about Merlin’s interface being a 
> lot more user-friendly.I wasn’t sure how to do the upload, though, so 
> your email was helpful.
> 
> BirdNet says Dark-Eyed Junco, with Chipping Sparrow second, and Flammulated 
> Owl third.  I’ll go with DEJU!
> 
> Interesting, that BirdNet was (is?) associated with Cornell, too . . . and 
> that they’d give such different results!
> 
> Gary Brower
> Unincorporated Arapahoe County
> 
> 
> 
>> On Jul 10, 2021, at 9:24 AM, Jeff Percell > > wrote:
>> 
>> I've been using the Merlin Bird Sound app since it was first released in 
>> beta. I've found that while it's amazing, I've also seen several false IDs, 
>> particularly when there is some background noise such as wind. 
>> 
>> You also might try to upload the audio here, which is the API behind Bird 
>> NET, which is an app I was using prior to Merlin (which I've now switched 
>> over to Merlin because it's a lot more user friendly).
>> 
>> https://birdnet.cornell.edu/api/ 
>> 
>> Also, you might upload your sound somewhere that makes it a little easier 
>> for others to view, such as an eBird checklist (which as the ID is in 
>> question, upload it as Passerine sp. initially). 
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> Jeff Percell
>> Weld County
>> 
>> On Friday, July 9, 2021 at 7:52:32 PM UTC-6 grb...@gmail.com 
>>  wrote:
>> COBirders, 
>> 
>> Yesterday, I participated in David Hallock’s Indian Peaks Breeding Bird 
>> Count. My “area” was the Woodland Lake Trail (accessed from Hessie 
>> Trailhead, near Nederland). I kept hearing a bird that I couldn’t quite 
>> identify. It didn’t sound quite like a Chipping Sparrow or Dark-eyed Junco, 
>> so I thought I’d try the new Merlin Bird Sound app (which is amazing, I must 
>> say). Without hesitation, or providing any other suggestions, it identified 
>> the sound/bird as a Pine Warbler. Since eBird designates that bird as 
>> “rare”, I don’t want to say that that’s what it was, solely on the basis of 
>> the call. 
>> 
>> I have a recording that I’m happy to share, if someone would like to help me 
>> (and Merlin) make the right (pardon the pun) “call”. 
>> 
>> Thanks so much! 
>> 
>> Gary Brower 
>> Unincorporated Arapahoe County
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Re: [cobirds] Sound ID

[Chip Clouse]

I ran into Andrew Spencer and Nathan Pieplow out on the Pawnee a couple of
weeks ago and Andrew basically said (if I understood correctly) that
Birdnet and Merlin were different teams of Cornell etc. researchers working
on the same question separately. He said Merlin should be more accurate
than Birdnet and will also get better with time. It only recognizes a
limited number of species currently and I've had it suggest crazy things
way out of range. Eventually it will be amazing and I'm already impressed.

Chip Clouse
Erie, CO

On Sat, Jul 10, 2021, 12:37 PM Gary Brower  wrote:

> Thanks, Jeff.
>
> I used Bird Net too, before Merlin.  I agree about Merlin’s interface
> being a lot more user-friendly.I wasn’t sure how to do the upload,
> though, so your email was helpful.
>
> BirdNet says Dark-Eyed Junco, with Chipping Sparrow second, and
> Flammulated Owl third.  I’ll go with DEJU!
>
> Interesting, that BirdNet was (is?) associated with Cornell, too . . . and
> that they’d give such different results!
>
> Gary Brower
> Unincorporated Arapahoe County
>
>
>
> On Jul 10, 2021, at 9:24 AM, Jeff Percell  wrote:
>
> I've been using the Merlin Bird Sound app since it was first released in
> beta. I've found that while it's amazing, I've also seen several false IDs,
> particularly when there is some background noise such as wind.
>
> You also might try to upload the audio here, which is the API behind Bird
> NET, which is an app I was using prior to Merlin (which I've now switched
> over to Merlin because it's a lot more user friendly).
>
> https://birdnet.cornell.edu/api/
>
> Also, you might upload your sound somewhere that makes it a little easier
> for others to view, such as an eBird checklist (which as the ID is in
> question, upload it as Passerine sp. initially).
>
> Thanks,
> Jeff Percell
> Weld County
>
> On Friday, July 9, 2021 at 7:52:32 PM UTC-6 grb...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> COBirders,
>>
>> Yesterday, I participated in David Hallock’s Indian Peaks Breeding Bird
>> Count. My “area” was the Woodland Lake Trail (accessed from Hessie
>> Trailhead, near Nederland). I kept hearing a bird that I couldn’t quite
>> identify. It didn’t sound quite like a Chipping Sparrow or Dark-eyed Junco,
>> so I thought I’d try the new Merlin Bird Sound app (which is amazing, I
>> must say). Without hesitation, or providing any other suggestions, it
>> identified the sound/bird as a Pine Warbler. Since eBird designates that
>> bird as “rare”, I don’t want to say that that’s what it was, solely on the
>> basis of the call.
>>
>> I have a recording that I’m happy to share, if someone would like to help
>> me (and Merlin) make the right (pardon the pun) “call”.
>>
>> Thanks so much!
>>
>> Gary Brower
>> Unincorporated Arapahoe County
>
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Re: [cobirds] Sound ID

[Gary Brower]

Thanks, Jeff.

I used Bird Net too, before Merlin.  I agree about Merlin’s interface being a 
lot more user-friendly.I wasn’t sure how to do the upload, though, so your 
email was helpful.

BirdNet says Dark-Eyed Junco, with Chipping Sparrow second, and Flammulated Owl 
third.  I’ll go with DEJU!

Interesting, that BirdNet was (is?) associated with Cornell, too . . . and that 
they’d give such different results!

Gary Brower
Unincorporated Arapahoe County



> On Jul 10, 2021, at 9:24 AM, Jeff Percell  wrote:
> 
> I've been using the Merlin Bird Sound app since it was first released in 
> beta. I've found that while it's amazing, I've also seen several false IDs, 
> particularly when there is some background noise such as wind. 
> 
> You also might try to upload the audio here, which is the API behind Bird 
> NET, which is an app I was using prior to Merlin (which I've now switched 
> over to Merlin because it's a lot more user friendly).
> 
> https://birdnet.cornell.edu/api/
> 
> Also, you might upload your sound somewhere that makes it a little easier for 
> others to view, such as an eBird checklist (which as the ID is in question, 
> upload it as Passerine sp. initially). 
> 
> Thanks,
> Jeff Percell
> Weld County
> 
> On Friday, July 9, 2021 at 7:52:32 PM UTC-6 grb...@gmail.com wrote:
> COBirders, 
> 
> Yesterday, I participated in David Hallock’s Indian Peaks Breeding Bird 
> Count. My “area” was the Woodland Lake Trail (accessed from Hessie Trailhead, 
> near Nederland). I kept hearing a bird that I couldn’t quite identify. It 
> didn’t sound quite like a Chipping Sparrow or Dark-eyed Junco, so I thought 
> I’d try the new Merlin Bird Sound app (which is amazing, I must say). Without 
> hesitation, or providing any other suggestions, it identified the sound/bird 
> as a Pine Warbler. Since eBird designates that bird as “rare”, I don’t want 
> to say that that’s what it was, solely on the basis of the call. 
> 
> I have a recording that I’m happy to share, if someone would like to help me 
> (and Merlin) make the right (pardon the pun) “call”. 
> 
> Thanks so much! 
> 
> Gary Brower 
> Unincorporated Arapahoe County
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Re: [cobirds] Sound ID help?

[Carol Kampert]

>From your description, it sure sounds like it must be an Olive Sided
Flycatcher.
Carol Kampert

On Sat, Sep 12, 2020 at 10:43 AM Gary Brower  wrote:

> COBirders,
>
> While birding a neighborhood right across Belleview Ave. from Cherry Creek
> SP, I had a brief sighting of a medium-sized flycatcher-ish bird. Plain,
> light colored breast, gray-green back. Couldn’t catch a glimpse of
> wing-bars or any thing.
>
> It shot from some eaves of a house into a nearby tree, where it
> disappeared.  It chattered a bit in flight, and very clearly called
> “(Quick) Three Beers” — except without the “Quick”. I waited to see if it
> would call again, but no luck (it may have flown on and I didn’t see it).
> It didn’t look dark enough to be a OSFL.
>
> Any ideas?  Thanks!
>
> Gary Brower
> Unincorporated Arapahoe County
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