Re: IB autolayout is impossible
In general, please file a bug report at bugreport.apple.com. For what it’s worth, I agree, and I don’t think IB should be doing anything at all to try and guess what constraints we want, or even to keep them consistent. The spirit of the dev tools is to allow you to do whatever you want (even if it’s wrong), and to tell you when it’s wrong. The unsatisfiable constraints should simply come up as errors/warnings when the xib is compiled. This would lead to a whole lot less frustration when it comes to IB deciding to change everything you already set up simply because you added one extra view. Tom Davie On 20 Aug 2013, at 01:48, dangerwillrobinsondan...@gmail.com wrote: In general in 4.x add your constraints that will make a satisfiable layout, then remove the ones you don't want. The next one does less trying without asking but this one is not that bad if people follow the flow: add yours, remove theirs. Sent from my iPhone On 2013/08/20, at 7:40, Rick Mann rm...@latencyzero.com wrote: I want to create a view with size 74 x 74, containing three subviews, all centered on it. But IB is just a game of whack-a-mole. So angry. -- Rick _ ___ Cocoa-dev mailing list (Cocoa-dev@lists.apple.com) Please do not post admin requests or moderator comments to the list. Contact the moderators at cocoa-dev-admins(at)lists.apple.com Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/cocoa-dev/tom.davie%40gmail.com This email sent to tom.da...@gmail.com ___ Cocoa-dev mailing list (Cocoa-dev@lists.apple.com) Please do not post admin requests or moderator comments to the list. Contact the moderators at cocoa-dev-admins(at)lists.apple.com Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/cocoa-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: IB autolayout is impossible
I have filed literally hundreds of bug reports. I get the spirit of what you're saying, but I'm so stressed from this project (and IB's hand in it), and so demoralized from having my bugs come back as either Duplicate, or Behaves Correctly, or just stay Open forever, and finally, having to wait for the next major release to see them fixed (rather than fixed in a dot release), that it's getting nearly impossible to summon the will to write more bugs. On Aug 20, 2013, at 00:51 , Tom Davie tom.da...@gmail.com wrote: In general, please file a bug report at bugreport.apple.com. For what it’s worth, I agree, and I don’t think IB should be doing anything at all to try and guess what constraints we want, or even to keep them consistent. The spirit of the dev tools is to allow you to do whatever you want (even if it’s wrong), and to tell you when it’s wrong. The unsatisfiable constraints should simply come up as errors/warnings when the xib is compiled. This would lead to a whole lot less frustration when it comes to IB deciding to change everything you already set up simply because you added one extra view. Tom Davie On 20 Aug 2013, at 01:48, dangerwillrobinsondan...@gmail.com wrote: In general in 4.x add your constraints that will make a satisfiable layout, then remove the ones you don't want. The next one does less trying without asking but this one is not that bad if people follow the flow: add yours, remove theirs. Sent from my iPhone On 2013/08/20, at 7:40, Rick Mann rm...@latencyzero.com wrote: I want to create a view with size 74 x 74, containing three subviews, all centered on it. But IB is just a game of whack-a-mole. So angry. -- Rick _ ___ Cocoa-dev mailing list (Cocoa-dev@lists.apple.com) Please do not post admin requests or moderator comments to the list. Contact the moderators at cocoa-dev-admins(at)lists.apple.com Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/cocoa-dev/tom.davie%40gmail.com This email sent to tom.da...@gmail.com -- Rick ___ Cocoa-dev mailing list (Cocoa-dev@lists.apple.com) Please do not post admin requests or moderator comments to the list. Contact the moderators at cocoa-dev-admins(at)lists.apple.com Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/cocoa-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: IB autolayout is impossible
Right, I agree, radarweb’s behaviour is pretty abominable, you can’t see anything at all going on. But that doesn’t change the fact, making radars is the only way these things get fixed. I’m glad to hear you’ve reported many already. Please make more if you can think of unique things that IB is doing very wrong here :D Tom Davie On 20 Aug 2013, at 09:55, Rick Mann rm...@latencyzero.com wrote: I have filed literally hundreds of bug reports. I get the spirit of what you're saying, but I'm so stressed from this project (and IB's hand in it), and so demoralized from having my bugs come back as either Duplicate, or Behaves Correctly, or just stay Open forever, and finally, having to wait for the next major release to see them fixed (rather than fixed in a dot release), that it's getting nearly impossible to summon the will to write more bugs. On Aug 20, 2013, at 00:51 , Tom Davie tom.da...@gmail.com wrote: In general, please file a bug report at bugreport.apple.com. For what it’s worth, I agree, and I don’t think IB should be doing anything at all to try and guess what constraints we want, or even to keep them consistent. The spirit of the dev tools is to allow you to do whatever you want (even if it’s wrong), and to tell you when it’s wrong. The unsatisfiable constraints should simply come up as errors/warnings when the xib is compiled. This would lead to a whole lot less frustration when it comes to IB deciding to change everything you already set up simply because you added one extra view. Tom Davie On 20 Aug 2013, at 01:48, dangerwillrobinsondan...@gmail.com wrote: In general in 4.x add your constraints that will make a satisfiable layout, then remove the ones you don't want. The next one does less trying without asking but this one is not that bad if people follow the flow: add yours, remove theirs. Sent from my iPhone On 2013/08/20, at 7:40, Rick Mann rm...@latencyzero.com wrote: I want to create a view with size 74 x 74, containing three subviews, all centered on it. But IB is just a game of whack-a-mole. So angry. -- Rick _ ___ Cocoa-dev mailing list (Cocoa-dev@lists.apple.com) Please do not post admin requests or moderator comments to the list. Contact the moderators at cocoa-dev-admins(at)lists.apple.com Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/cocoa-dev/tom.davie%40gmail.com This email sent to tom.da...@gmail.com -- Rick ___ Cocoa-dev mailing list (Cocoa-dev@lists.apple.com) Please do not post admin requests or moderator comments to the list. Contact the moderators at cocoa-dev-admins(at)lists.apple.com Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/cocoa-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
IB autolayout is impossible
I want to create a view with size 74 x 74, containing three subviews, all centered on it. But IB is just a game of whack-a-mole. So angry. -- Rick ___ Cocoa-dev mailing list (Cocoa-dev@lists.apple.com) Please do not post admin requests or moderator comments to the list. Contact the moderators at cocoa-dev-admins(at)lists.apple.com Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/cocoa-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: IB autolayout is impossible
IB 4.x is astoundingly hard to work with auto layout. A newer IB that shall not be named is supposedly better… On Aug 19, 2013, at 4:40 PM, Rick Mann rm...@latencyzero.com wrote: I want to create a view with size 74 x 74, containing three subviews, all centered on it. But IB is just a game of whack-a-mole. So angry. Alex Kac - President and Founder Web Information Solutions, Inc. In the Country of the Blind, the one-eyed man is king. --Desiderius Erasmus ___ Cocoa-dev mailing list (Cocoa-dev@lists.apple.com) Please do not post admin requests or moderator comments to the list. Contact the moderators at cocoa-dev-admins(at)lists.apple.com Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/cocoa-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: IB autolayout is impossible
On Aug 19, 2013, at 15:57 , Alex Kac a...@webis.net wrote: IB 4.x is astoundingly hard to work with auto layout. A newer IB that shall not be named is supposedly better… Yeah, too bad that's completely useless to those of use who have to ship stuff today. -- Rick ___ Cocoa-dev mailing list (Cocoa-dev@lists.apple.com) Please do not post admin requests or moderator comments to the list. Contact the moderators at cocoa-dev-admins(at)lists.apple.com Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/cocoa-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: IB autolayout is impossible
In general in 4.x add your constraints that will make a satisfiable layout, then remove the ones you don't want. The next one does less trying without asking but this one is not that bad if people follow the flow: add yours, remove theirs. Sent from my iPhone On 2013/08/20, at 7:40, Rick Mann rm...@latencyzero.com wrote: I want to create a view with size 74 x 74, containing three subviews, all centered on it. But IB is just a game of whack-a-mole. So angry. -- Rick _ ___ Cocoa-dev mailing list (Cocoa-dev@lists.apple.com) Please do not post admin requests or moderator comments to the list. Contact the moderators at cocoa-dev-admins(at)lists.apple.com Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/cocoa-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: IB autolayout is impossible
On Aug 19, 2013, at 16:48 , dangerwillrobinsondan...@gmail.com wrote: In general in 4.x add your constraints that will make a satisfiable layout, then remove the ones you don't want. The next one does less trying without asking but this one is not that bad if people follow the flow: add yours, remove theirs. Yeah, this is precisely what I tried to do, and usually I can make that work. But not this time. I finally had to remove all my views and re-add them. -- Rick ___ Cocoa-dev mailing list (Cocoa-dev@lists.apple.com) Please do not post admin requests or moderator comments to the list. Contact the moderators at cocoa-dev-admins(at)lists.apple.com Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/cocoa-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: IB autolayout is impossible
For small elements, I have to agree. Programmatically creating NSLayoutConstraints is the only way to go, IMHO. Sent from my iPhone On Aug 19, 2013, at 7:49 PM, Rick Mann rm...@latencyzero.com wrote: On Aug 19, 2013, at 16:48 , dangerwillrobinsondan...@gmail.com wrote: In general in 4.x add your constraints that will make a satisfiable layout, then remove the ones you don't want. The next one does less trying without asking but this one is not that bad if people follow the flow: add yours, remove theirs. Yeah, this is precisely what I tried to do, and usually I can make that work. But not this time. I finally had to remove all my views and re-add them. -- Rick ___ Cocoa-dev mailing list (Cocoa-dev@lists.apple.com) Please do not post admin requests or moderator comments to the list. Contact the moderators at cocoa-dev-admins(at)lists.apple.com Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/cocoa-dev/caoimghgin%40gmail.com This email sent to caoimgh...@gmail.com ___ Cocoa-dev mailing list (Cocoa-dev@lists.apple.com) Please do not post admin requests or moderator comments to the list. Contact the moderators at cocoa-dev-admins(at)lists.apple.com Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/cocoa-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
