Re: BeginnerSimpleWebappOrganisation strange evolution

[SAXESS - Hussayn Dabbous]

Hy;

thank you for this contrib. I have updated the page again and
introduced the pattern concept. Although my original intention
was to give the beginners a simple cookbook at hand, where they
just can take the snippets by cut'n paste and get their first
transformation to work. Now the whole thing is near to the original
documentation ;-) seems as if all documentation tends to become
as explicit as possible...

anyway, thank you.

Lets hope, others will find the page usefull as it is now.
By the way, NOW i have separated the page into two ;-)

regards, hussayn

Brandes, Wayne wrote:

The BeginnerSimpleWebappOrganisation page is much clearer now, IMO.
 
One observation I would make, as an "advanced beginner": becasue the use 
of wildcards hasn't been explained in detail I think that statements 
like "When the interpreter hits a '*' or a '**' in the pattern, it will 
automatically resolve the actual value into local /sitemap-parameters/ 
named {1}, {2} as described in the following example: "can be 
misinterpreted to mean that the {1} refers to one "*" and the {2} refers 
to two "*"'s, rather than to order in which the variables were set. I 
have been confused by that in other tutorials.
 
Thanks for your work on this
 
Wayne
 
 
 -Original Message-
*From:* Derek Hohls [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
*Sent:* Friday, February 21, 2003 9:21 AM
*To:* [EMAIL PROTECTED]
*Subject:* Re: BeginnerSimpleWebappOrganisation strange evolution

A central index = a guide to the guides...
perhaps in a nested hierachy showing where
all the topics and subtopics fit together.

 >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 21/02/2003 03:58:40 >>>
Hy, Derek;

Derek Hohls wrote:
 > I think the page is fine - if we add any more
 > we will need to make 2 pages! otherwise the
 > "simple beginners" will get put off...

I was close to split this page into two this morning:
basic_issue + advanced_issue
I simply didn't do it, because i was disturbed by a
phone call ;-)

 > i was thinking we also need a central index page
 > which ties all the bits and pieces together and
 > gives some indication of reading order, level of
 > complexity etc.   (the wiki is easy to add to, but
 > hard to see where everything fits in..)

What do you mean by central index page ?
Can you explain in a little more detail ?

hussayn

 >  >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 21/02/2003 11:12:22 >>>
 > Hy, Derek;
 >
 > I did a major revision of the Wiki-page.
 >
 >
http://wiki.cocoondev.org/Wiki.jsp?page=BeginnerSimpleWebappOrganisation
 >
 > Maybe you take a little time and review my changes.
 >
 > My big concern here is, that within the original verison
 > of the page this stuff was already explained correctly.
 > The errors have been added later. Now i have removed them again.
 >
 > Ok, the benefit we got from this intermezzo is another
 > review of the page, which hopefully clearifies some
 > additional points ;-)
 >
 > regards, Hussayn
 >
 > p.s.: apologize for my conclusion, about you beeing
 > a windows user. Indeed i have added a few words to make
 > clear, why i want absolute pathes here. That was not
 > explained at all in the original text ;-)
 >
 >
 > Derek Hohls wrote:
 >  > Hussayn
 >  > yes, it does!  (and I am both a windows user - local
 >  > machine and UNIX user - for the production site)
 >  >
 >  > can you add these "gems" to the relevant wiki pages?!
 >  >
 >  > derek
 >  >
 >  >  >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 20/02/2003 04:15:00 >>>
 >  > Hy, Derek;
 >  >
 >  > upps...
 >  >
 >  >  From your question may i conclude, that you are a windows user?
 >  >
 >  > I am not very familiar with the windows file syntax, but i
 >  > think, the translation is something like:
 >  >
 >  > src="work/sitemap.xmap" ==> $cocoonroot\work\sitemap.xmap
 >  > src="D://work/sitemap.xmap" ==> D://work/sitemap.xmap
 >  >
 >  > By specifying an absolute path, i can separate my project sources
 >  > physically from the cocoon-distrib. Does this answer your
question ?
 >  >
 >  > regards, hussayn
 >  >
 >  >
 >  > Derek Hohls wrote:
 >  >  > Hussayn
 >  >  >
 >  >  > $cocoonroot/work/sitemap.xmap - I understand, but
 >  >  > where exactly is
 >  >  > /work/sitemap.xmap ??? and why do you

RE: BeginnerSimpleWebappOrganisation strange evolution

[Brandes, Wayne]

The 
BeginnerSimpleWebappOrganisation page is much clearer now, 
IMO.
 
One 
observation I would make, as an "advanced beginner": becasue the use 
of wildcards hasn't been explained in detail I think that statements like "When 
the interpreter hits a '*' or a '**' in the pattern, it will automatically 
resolve the actual value into local sitemap-parameters named {1}, {2} as 
described in the following example: "    can be misinterpreted to 
mean that the {1} refers to one "*" and the {2} refers to two "*"'s, rather than 
to order in which the variables were set. I have been confused by that in other 
tutorials. 
 
Thanks for your work on 
this
 
Wayne
 
 
 -Original Message-From: 
Derek Hohls [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Friday, February 21, 2003 
9:21 AMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: 
BeginnerSimpleWebappOrganisation strange evolution

  A central index = a guide to the guides... 
  perhaps in a nested hierachy showing where
  all the topics and subtopics fit together.>>> 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 21/02/2003 03:58:40 >>>Hy, Derek;Derek 
  Hohls wrote:> I think the page is fine - if we add any more> we 
  will need to make 2 pages! otherwise the> "simple beginners" will get 
  put off...I was close to split this page into two this 
  morning:basic_issue + advanced_issueI simply didn't do it, because i 
  was disturbed by aphone call ;-)> i was thinking we also need a 
  central index page> which ties all the bits and pieces together 
  and> gives some indication of reading order, level of> 
  complexity etc.   (the wiki is easy to add to, but> hard to 
  see where everything fits in..)What do you mean by central index page 
  ?Can you explain in a little more detail 
  ?hussayn>  >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 21/02/2003 
  11:12:22 >>>> Hy, Derek;> > I did a major 
  revision of the Wiki-page.> > http://wiki.cocoondev.org/Wiki.jsp?page=BeginnerSimpleWebappOrganisation> 
  > Maybe you take a little time and review my changes.> > 
  My big concern here is, that within the original verison> of the page 
  this stuff was already explained correctly.> The errors have been added 
  later. Now i have removed them again.> > Ok, the benefit we got 
  from this intermezzo is another> review of the page, which hopefully 
  clearifies some> additional points ;-)> > regards, 
  Hussayn> > p.s.: apologize for my conclusion, about you 
  beeing> a windows user. Indeed i have added a few words to make> 
  clear, why i want absolute pathes here. That was not> explained at all 
  in the original text ;-)> > > Derek Hohls 
  wrote:>  > Hussayn>  > yes, it does!  (and 
  I am both a windows user - local>  > machine and UNIX user - 
  for the production site)>  > >  > can you add 
  these "gems" to the relevant wiki pages?!>  > >  
  > derek>  >>  >  >>> 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 20/02/2003 04:15:00 >>>>  > Hy, 
  Derek;>  >>  > upps...>  
  >>  >  From your question may i conclude, that you are 
  a windows user?>  >>  > I am not very familiar 
  with the windows file syntax, but i>  > think, the translation 
  is something like:>  >>  > 
  src="" ==> 
  $cocoonroot\work\sitemap.xmap>  > src="" 
  ==> D://work/sitemap.xmap>  >>  > By 
  specifying an absolute path, i can separate my project sources>  
  > physically from the cocoon-distrib. Does this answer your question 
  ?>  >>  > regards, hussayn>  
  >>  >>  > Derek Hohls wrote:>  
  >  > Hussayn>  >  >>  >  
  > $cocoonroot/work/sitemap.xmap - I understand, but>  
  >  > where exactly is>  >  > 
  /work/sitemap.xmap ??? and why do you want it?>  >  
  >>  >  > Derek>  >  
  >>  >  >  >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  20/02/2003 03:22:54 >>>>  >  > Hy, 
  Derek;>  >  >>  >  > If you 
  specify a relative src it will be resolved relative to the>  
  >  > current sitemap. If you specify an absolute source, it will 
  be>  >  > resolved as is ==>>  
  >  >>  >  > suppose you put a submount into 
  the rottsitemap, then:>  >  >>  >  
  > src=""  ==> 
  $cocoonroot/work/sitemap.xmap>  >  > 
  src="" ==> /work/sitemap.xmap>  >  
  >>  >  > If this is NOT correct, then i really 
  missunderstood something ;-)>  >  >>  
  >  > regards, hussayn>  >  >>  
  >  >>  >  > Derek Hohls wrote:>  
  >  >  > Hussayn>  >  >  
  >>  >  >  > Fro

Re: BeginnerSimpleWebappOrganisation strange evolution

[SAXESS - Hussayn Dabbous]

Do you think, the CocoonCompetenceCenter main page
http://wiki.cocoondev.org/Wiki.jsp?page=CocoonCompetenceCenter
can fullfill the role as central index ?

CocoonCompetenceCenter
	beginners ...
	advanced ...
	experts ...

I think, this can be done without disturbing the
current wiki organisation too much:

* Simply reorg the existing CCC main page as sketched above.

* Then create a new CCC-beginners index-page with
  the content of the current CCC main page.

* Then start to link other pages from the Wiki into the
  advanced-CCC / expert-CCC index-pages.

Or do you think of an index spanning over the whole Wiki ?

Hussayn

Derek Hohls wrote:

A central index = a guide to the guides...
perhaps in a nested hierachy showing where
all the topics and subtopics fit together.

 >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 21/02/2003 03:58:40 >>>
Hy, Derek;

Derek Hohls wrote:
 > I think the page is fine - if we add any more
 > we will need to make 2 pages! otherwise the
 > "simple beginners" will get put off...

I was close to split this page into two this morning:
basic_issue + advanced_issue
I simply didn't do it, because i was disturbed by a
phone call ;-)

 > i was thinking we also need a central index page
 > which ties all the bits and pieces together and
 > gives some indication of reading order, level of
 > complexity etc.   (the wiki is easy to add to, but
 > hard to see where everything fits in..)

What do you mean by central index page ?
Can you explain in a little more detail ?

hussayn

 >  >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 21/02/2003 11:12:22 >>>
 > Hy, Derek;
 >
 > I did a major revision of the Wiki-page.
 >
 > http://wiki.cocoondev.org/Wiki.jsp?page=BeginnerSimpleWebappOrganisation
 >
 > Maybe you take a little time and review my changes.
 >
 > My big concern here is, that within the original verison
 > of the page this stuff was already explained correctly.
 > The errors have been added later. Now i have removed them again.
 >
 > Ok, the benefit we got from this intermezzo is another
 > review of the page, which hopefully clearifies some
 > additional points ;-)
 >
 > regards, Hussayn
 >
 > p.s.: apologize for my conclusion, about you beeing
 > a windows user. Indeed i have added a few words to make
 > clear, why i want absolute pathes here. That was not
 > explained at all in the original text ;-)
 >
 >
 > Derek Hohls wrote:
 >  > Hussayn
 >  > yes, it does!  (and I am both a windows user - local
 >  > machine and UNIX user - for the production site)
 >  >
 >  > can you add these "gems" to the relevant wiki pages?!
 >  >
 >  > derek
 >  >
 >  >  >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 20/02/2003 04:15:00 >>>
 >  > Hy, Derek;
 >  >
 >  > upps...
 >  >
 >  >  From your question may i conclude, that you are a windows user?
 >  >
 >  > I am not very familiar with the windows file syntax, but i
 >  > think, the translation is something like:
 >  >
 >  > src="work/sitemap.xmap" ==> $cocoonroot\work\sitemap.xmap
 >  > src="D://work/sitemap.xmap" ==> D://work/sitemap.xmap
 >  >
 >  > By specifying an absolute path, i can separate my project sources
 >  > physically from the cocoon-distrib. Does this answer your question ?
 >  >
 >  > regards, hussayn
 >  >
 >  >
 >  > Derek Hohls wrote:
 >  >  > Hussayn
 >  >  >
 >  >  > $cocoonroot/work/sitemap.xmap - I understand, but
 >  >  > where exactly is
 >  >  > /work/sitemap.xmap ??? and why do you want it?
 >  >  >
 >  >  > Derek
 >  >  >
 >  >  >  >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 20/02/2003 03:22:54 >>>
 >  >  > Hy, Derek;
 >  >  >
 >  >  > If you specify a relative src it will be resolved relative to the
 >  >  > current sitemap. If you specify an absolute source, it will be
 >  >  > resolved as is ==>
 >  >  >
 >  >  > suppose you put a submount into the rottsitemap, then:
 >  >  >
 >  >  > src="work/sitemap.xmap"  ==> $cocoonroot/work/sitemap.xmap
 >  >  > src="/work/sitemap.xmap" ==> /work/sitemap.xmap
 >  >  >
 >  >  > If this is NOT correct, then i really missunderstood something ;-)
 >  >  >
 >  >  > regards, hussayn
 >  >  >
 >  >  >
 >  >  > Derek Hohls wrote:
 >  >  >  > Hussayn
 >  >  >  >
 >  >  >  > From the Cocoon docs site:
 >  >  >  >  http://xml.apache.org/cocoon/userdocs/concepts/sitemap.html
 >  >  >  >
 >  >  >  >
 >  >  >  > 
 >  >  >  >
 >  >  >  >  check-reload="no"
 >  >  >  >  src="faq/sitemap.xmap"/>
 >  >  >  > 
 >  >  >  >
 >  >  >  > The src attribute is where the sub-sitemap is located.
 >  >  >  > If it ends in a slash "sitemap.xmap" is appended to find the
 > sitemap,
 >  >  >  > otherwise the src value is used. A check-reload attribute can
 > be used
 >  >  >  > to determine if the modification date of the sub-sitemap file
 >  > should be
 >  >  >  > checked.
 >  >  >  > The uri-prefix is the part that should be removed from the 
request
 >  > URI.
 >  >  >  >
 >  >  >  > The engine will correctly check for a trailing slash (which 
you may
 >  >  >  > write,
 >  >  >  > of course). If in the example above "faq/cocoon" is requested,
 > "faq/"
 >  >  >  > is

Re: BeginnerSimpleWebappOrganisation strange evolution

[Derek Hohls]

A central index = a guide to the guides... 
perhaps in a nested hierachy showing where
all the topics and subtopics fit together.>>> 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 21/02/2003 03:58:40 >>>Hy, Derek;Derek 
Hohls wrote:> I think the page is fine - if we add any more> we 
will need to make 2 pages! otherwise the> "simple beginners" will get put 
off...I was close to split this page into two this 
morning:basic_issue + advanced_issueI simply didn't do it, because i was 
disturbed by aphone call ;-)> i was thinking we also need a 
central index page> which ties all the bits and pieces together 
and> gives some indication of reading order, level of> complexity 
etc.   (the wiki is easy to add to, but> hard to see where 
everything fits in..)What do you mean by central index page ?Can you 
explain in a little more detail ?hussayn>  >>> 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 21/02/2003 11:12:22  Hy, Derek;> 
> I did a major revision of the Wiki-page.> > http://wiki.cocoondev.org/Wiki.jsp?page=BeginnerSimpleWebappOrganisation> 
> Maybe you take a little time and review my changes.> > My 
big concern here is, that within the original verison> of the page this 
stuff was already explained correctly.> The errors have been added later. 
Now i have removed them again.> > Ok, the benefit we got from this 
intermezzo is another> review of the page, which hopefully clearifies 
some> additional points ;-)> > regards, Hussayn> 
> p.s.: apologize for my conclusion, about you beeing> a windows 
user. Indeed i have added a few words to make> clear, why i want absolute 
pathes here. That was not> explained at all in the original text 
;-)> > > Derek Hohls wrote:>  > 
Hussayn>  > yes, it does!  (and I am both a windows user - 
local>  > machine and UNIX user - for the production 
site)>  > >  > can you add these "gems" to the 
relevant wiki pages?!>  > >  > derek>  
>>  >  >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 20/02/2003 
04:15:00   > Hy, Derek;>  
>>  > upps...>  >>  >  From 
your question may i conclude, that you are a windows user?>  
>>  > I am not very familiar with the windows file syntax, but 
i>  > think, the translation is something like:>  
>>  > src="" ==> 
$cocoonroot\work\sitemap.xmap>  > src="" 
==> D://work/sitemap.xmap>  >>  > By specifying 
an absolute path, i can separate my project sources>  > 
physically from the cocoon-distrib. Does this answer your question 
?>  >>  > regards, hussayn>  
>>  >>  > Derek Hohls wrote:>  
>  > Hussayn>  >  >>  >  
> $cocoonroot/work/sitemap.xmap - I understand, but>  >  
> where exactly is>  >  > /work/sitemap.xmap ??? and 
why do you want it?>  >  >>  >  > 
Derek>  >  >>  >  >  
>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 20/02/2003 03:22:54   
>  > Hy, Derek;>  >  >>  
>  > If you specify a relative src it will be resolved relative to 
the>  >  > current sitemap. If you specify an absolute 
source, it will be>  >  > resolved as is 
==>>  >  >>  >  > suppose you 
put a submount into the rottsitemap, then:>  >  
>>  >  > src=""  ==> 
$cocoonroot/work/sitemap.xmap>  >  > 
src="" ==> /work/sitemap.xmap>  >  
>>  >  > If this is NOT correct, then i really 
missunderstood something ;-)>  >  >>  
>  > regards, hussayn>  >  >>  
>  >>  >  > Derek Hohls wrote:>  
>  >  > Hussayn>  >  >  
>>  >  >  > From the Cocoon docs 
site:>  >  >  >  http://xml.apache.org/cocoon/userdocs/concepts/sitemap.html>  
>  >  >>  >  >  
>>  >  >  > >  >  >  >    
>  >  >  
>  
check-reload="no">  >  >  
>  
src=""/>>  >  >  > 
>  >  >  >>  
>  >  > The src attribute is where the sub-sitemap is 
located.>  >  >  > If it ends in a slash 
"sitemap.xmap" is appended to find the > sitemap,>  
>  >  > otherwise the src value is used. A check-reload 
attribute can > be used>  >  >  > to 
determine if the modification date of the sub-sitemap file>  > 
should be>  >  >  > checked.>  
>  >  > The uri-prefix is the part that should be removed 
from the request>  > URI.>  >  >  
>>  >  >  > The engine will correctly check 
for a trailing slash (which you may>  >  >  > 
write,>  >  >  > of course). If in the example 
above "faq/cocoon" is requested, > "faq/">  >  
>  > is removed from the URI and "cocoon" is passed to the 
sub-sitemap>  >  >  > which is loaded from 
"faq/sitemap.xmap".>  >  >  >>  
>  >  >>  >  >  > So - the 
Cocoon docs writer seems to be saying that src DOES > NOT 
NEED>  >  >  > a leading '/'  (of course, I 
am not sure if one is permissible??)>  >  >  
>>  >  >  > I think we need clarity from one 
of the "gurus" and for > both sites>  >  
>  > to>  >  >  > be updated with this 
detailed clarification !>  >  >  >>  
>  >  > Derek>  >  >  
>>  >  >  >>  >  
>  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 20/02/2003 01:59:54 
  >  >    
>  >  > Hy;>  >  >  
>>  >  >  > I noticed a slight modification 
in>  >  >  >>  >  >  
>>  > http://wiki.cocoondev.org/Wiki.jsp?page=BeginnerSimpleWebappOrganisation>  
>  >  >>  >  >  
>>  >  >  > which from my understanding has 
introduced two severe errors!>  >  >  > As i 
don't exactly know, why these

Re: BeginnerSimpleWebappOrganisation strange evolution

[SAXESS - Hussayn Dabbous]

Hy, Derek;

Derek Hohls wrote:

I think the page is fine - if we add any more
we will need to make 2 pages! otherwise the
"simple beginners" will get put off...


I was close to split this page into two this morning:
basic_issue + advanced_issue
I simply didn't do it, because i was disturbed by a
phone call ;-)


i was thinking we also need a central index page
which ties all the bits and pieces together and
gives some indication of reading order, level of
complexity etc.   (the wiki is easy to add to, but
hard to see where everything fits in..)


What do you mean by central index page ?
Can you explain in a little more detail ?

hussayn


 >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 21/02/2003 11:12:22 >>>
Hy, Derek;

I did a major revision of the Wiki-page.

http://wiki.cocoondev.org/Wiki.jsp?page=BeginnerSimpleWebappOrganisation

Maybe you take a little time and review my changes.

My big concern here is, that within the original verison
of the page this stuff was already explained correctly.
The errors have been added later. Now i have removed them again.

Ok, the benefit we got from this intermezzo is another
review of the page, which hopefully clearifies some
additional points ;-)

regards, Hussayn

p.s.: apologize for my conclusion, about you beeing
a windows user. Indeed i have added a few words to make
clear, why i want absolute pathes here. That was not
explained at all in the original text ;-)


Derek Hohls wrote:
 > Hussayn
 > yes, it does!  (and I am both a windows user - local
 > machine and UNIX user - for the production site)
 > 
 > can you add these "gems" to the relevant wiki pages?!
 > 
 > derek
 >
 >  >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 20/02/2003 04:15:00 >>>
 > Hy, Derek;
 >
 > upps...
 >
 >  From your question may i conclude, that you are a windows user?
 >
 > I am not very familiar with the windows file syntax, but i
 > think, the translation is something like:
 >
 > src="work/sitemap.xmap" ==> $cocoonroot\work\sitemap.xmap
 > src="D://work/sitemap.xmap" ==> D://work/sitemap.xmap
 >
 > By specifying an absolute path, i can separate my project sources
 > physically from the cocoon-distrib. Does this answer your question ?
 >
 > regards, hussayn
 >
 >
 > Derek Hohls wrote:
 >  > Hussayn
 >  >
 >  > $cocoonroot/work/sitemap.xmap - I understand, but
 >  > where exactly is
 >  > /work/sitemap.xmap ??? and why do you want it?
 >  >
 >  > Derek
 >  >
 >  >  >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 20/02/2003 03:22:54 >>>
 >  > Hy, Derek;
 >  >
 >  > If you specify a relative src it will be resolved relative to the
 >  > current sitemap. If you specify an absolute source, it will be
 >  > resolved as is ==>
 >  >
 >  > suppose you put a submount into the rottsitemap, then:
 >  >
 >  > src="work/sitemap.xmap"  ==> $cocoonroot/work/sitemap.xmap
 >  > src="/work/sitemap.xmap" ==> /work/sitemap.xmap
 >  >
 >  > If this is NOT correct, then i really missunderstood something ;-)
 >  >
 >  > regards, hussayn
 >  >
 >  >
 >  > Derek Hohls wrote:
 >  >  > Hussayn
 >  >  >
 >  >  > From the Cocoon docs site:
 >  >  >  http://xml.apache.org/cocoon/userdocs/concepts/sitemap.html
 >  >  >
 >  >  >
 >  >  > 
 >  >  >
 >  >  >  check-reload="no"
 >  >  >  src="faq/sitemap.xmap"/>
 >  >  > 
 >  >  >
 >  >  > The src attribute is where the sub-sitemap is located.
 >  >  > If it ends in a slash "sitemap.xmap" is appended to find the 
sitemap,
 >  >  > otherwise the src value is used. A check-reload attribute can 
be used
 >  >  > to determine if the modification date of the sub-sitemap file
 > should be
 >  >  > checked.
 >  >  > The uri-prefix is the part that should be removed from the request
 > URI.
 >  >  >
 >  >  > The engine will correctly check for a trailing slash (which you may
 >  >  > write,
 >  >  > of course). If in the example above "faq/cocoon" is requested, 
"faq/"
 >  >  > is removed from the URI and "cocoon" is passed to the sub-sitemap
 >  >  > which is loaded from "faq/sitemap.xmap".
 >  >  >
 >  >  >
 >  >  > So - the Cocoon docs writer seems to be saying that src DOES 
NOT NEED
 >  >  > a leading '/'  (of course, I am not sure if one is permissible??)
 >  >  >
 >  >  > I think we need clarity from one of the "gurus" and for 
both sites
 >  >  > to
 >  >  > be updated with this detailed clarification !
 >  >  >
 >  >  > Derek
 >  >  >
 >  >  >
 >  >  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 20/02/2003 01:59:54 >>>
 >  >  >>>
 >  >  > Hy;
 >  >  >
 >  >  > I noticed a slight modification in
 >  >  >
 >  >  >
 > http://wiki.cocoondev.org/Wiki.jsp?page=BeginnerSimpleWebappOrganisation
 >  >  >
 >  >  >
 >  >  > which from my understanding has introduced two severe errors!
 >  >  > As i don't exactly know, why these changes have been made,
 >  >  > i want to ask if i missunderstood something. Here is, what i
 >  >  > find suspect:
 >  >  >
 >  >  > 1.) Advanced Issue: separating your work folder from cocoon
 >  >  >  ...
 >  >  >  
 >  >  >
 >  >  >  
 >  >  > reload-method="synchron"

Re: BeginnerSimpleWebappOrganisation strange evolution ...

[Derek Hohls]

I think the page is fine - if we add any more
we will need to make 2 pages! otherwise the 
"simple beginners" will get put off...
 
i was thinking we also need a central index page
which ties all the bits and pieces together and
gives some indication of reading order, level of 
complexity etc.   (the wiki is easy to add to, but
hard to see where everything fits in..)>>> 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 21/02/2003 11:12:22 >>>Hy, Derek;I did a 
major revision of the Wiki-page.http://wiki.cocoondev.org/Wiki.jsp?page=BeginnerSimpleWebappOrganisationMaybe 
you take a little time and review my changes.My big concern here is, 
that within the original verisonof the page this stuff was already explained 
correctly.The errors have been added later. Now i have removed them 
again.Ok, the benefit we got from this intermezzo is anotherreview 
of the page, which hopefully clearifies someadditional points 
;-)regards, Hussaynp.s.: apologize for my conclusion, about you 
beeinga windows user. Indeed i have added a few words to makeclear, why 
i want absolute pathes here. That was notexplained at all in the original 
text ;-)Derek Hohls wrote:> Hussayn> yes, it 
does!  (and I am both a windows user - local> machine and UNIX user 
- for the production site)>  > can you add these "gems" to 
the relevant wiki pages?!>  > derek> >  
>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 20/02/2003 04:15:00  Hy, 
Derek;> > upps...> >  From your question may i 
conclude, that you are a windows user?> > I am not very familiar 
with the windows file syntax, but i> think, the translation is something 
like:> > src="" ==> 
$cocoonroot\work\sitemap.xmap> src="" ==> 
D://work/sitemap.xmap> > By specifying an absolute path, i can 
separate my project sources> physically from the cocoon-distrib. Does 
this answer your question ?> > regards, hussayn> > 
> Derek Hohls wrote:>  > Hussayn>  > 
>  > $cocoonroot/work/sitemap.xmap - I understand, 
but>  > where exactly is>  > /work/sitemap.xmap 
??? and why do you want it?>  > >  > 
Derek>  >>  >  >>> 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 20/02/2003 03:22:54   > Hy, 
Derek;>  >>  > If you specify a relative src it 
will be resolved relative to the>  > current sitemap. If you 
specify an absolute source, it will be>  > resolved as is 
==>>  >>  > suppose you put a submount into the 
rottsitemap, then:>  >>  > 
src=""  ==> $cocoonroot/work/sitemap.xmap>  
> src="" ==> /work/sitemap.xmap>  
>>  > If this is NOT correct, then i really missunderstood 
something ;-)>  >>  > regards, 
hussayn>  >>  >>  > Derek Hohls 
wrote:>  >  > Hussayn>  >  
>>  >  > From the Cocoon docs site:>  
>  >  http://xml.apache.org/cocoon/userdocs/concepts/sitemap.html>  
>  >>  >  >>  >  > 
>  >  
>    >  >  
>  
check-reload="no">  >  
>  
src=""/>>  >  > 
>  >  >>  >  > 
The src attribute is where the sub-sitemap is located.>  >  
> If it ends in a slash "sitemap.xmap" is appended to find the 
sitemap,>  >  > otherwise the src value is used. A 
check-reload attribute can be used>  >  > to determine if 
the modification date of the sub-sitemap file > should be>  
>  > checked.>  >  > The uri-prefix is the 
part that should be removed from the request > URI.>  
>  >>  >  > The engine will correctly check 
for a trailing slash (which you may>  >  > 
write,>  >  > of course). If in the example above 
"faq/cocoon" is requested, "faq/">  >  > is removed from 
the URI and "cocoon" is passed to the sub-sitemap>  >  > 
which is loaded from "faq/sitemap.xmap".>  >  
>>  >  >>  >  > So - the Cocoon 
docs writer seems to be saying that src DOES NOT NEED>  >  
> a leading '/'  (of course, I am not sure if one is 
permissible??)>  >  >>  >  > I 
think we need clarity from one of the "gurus" and for both 
sites>  >  > to>  >  > be updated 
with this detailed clarification !>  >  >>  
>  > Derek>  >  >>  >  
>>  >  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 20/02/2003 
01:59:54   >    
>  > Hy;>  >  >>  >  > 
I noticed a slight modification in>  >  >>  
>  > > http://wiki.cocoondev.org/Wiki.jsp?page=BeginnerSimpleWebappOrganisation>  
>  >>  >  >>  >  > 
which from my understanding has introduced two severe errors!>  
>  > As i don't exactly know, why these changes have been 
made,>  >  > i want to ask if i missunderstood something. 
Here is, what i>  >  > find suspect:>  
>  >>  >  > 1.) Advanced Issue: separating 
your work folder from cocoon>  >  
>  ...>  >  
>  >  >  
>    >  >  
>  >  >  
> 
reload-method="synchron">  >  
> 
src="">  >  
> 
uri-prefix="work"/>>  >  
>   >  
>  >  
>  >  >>  >  
>>  >  >  This snippet i 
found in the doc. In my eyes this does NOT>  >  
>  what is explained in the doc. From my 
understanding the>  >  >  
source must be declared as absolute path as follows:>  >  
>>  >  
> 
src="">  >  >>  >  
>  Why has the leading slash been deleted in the 
doc?>  >  >>  >  >>  
>  > 2.) Advanced issue: Setting up a generic 

Re: BeginnerSimpleWebappOrganisation strange evolution ...

[SAXESS - Hussayn Dabbous]

Hy, Derek;

I did a major revision of the Wiki-page.

http://wiki.cocoondev.org/Wiki.jsp?page=BeginnerSimpleWebappOrganisation

Maybe you take a little time and review my changes.

My big concern here is, that within the original verison
of the page this stuff was already explained correctly.
The errors have been added later. Now i have removed them again.

Ok, the benefit we got from this intermezzo is another
review of the page, which hopefully clearifies some
additional points ;-)

regards, Hussayn

p.s.: apologize for my conclusion, about you beeing
a windows user. Indeed i have added a few words to make
clear, why i want absolute pathes here. That was not
explained at all in the original text ;-)


Derek Hohls wrote:

Hussayn
yes, it does!  (and I am both a windows user - local
machine and UNIX user - for the production site)
 
can you add these "gems" to the relevant wiki pages?!
 
derek

 >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 20/02/2003 04:15:00 >>>
Hy, Derek;

upps...

 From your question may i conclude, that you are a windows user?

I am not very familiar with the windows file syntax, but i
think, the translation is something like:

src="work/sitemap.xmap" ==> $cocoonroot\work\sitemap.xmap
src="D://work/sitemap.xmap" ==> D://work/sitemap.xmap

By specifying an absolute path, i can separate my project sources
physically from the cocoon-distrib. Does this answer your question ?

regards, hussayn


Derek Hohls wrote:
 > Hussayn
 > 
 > $cocoonroot/work/sitemap.xmap - I understand, but
 > where exactly is
 > /work/sitemap.xmap ??? and why do you want it?
 > 
 > Derek
 >
 >  >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 20/02/2003 03:22:54 >>>
 > Hy, Derek;
 >
 > If you specify a relative src it will be resolved relative to the
 > current sitemap. If you specify an absolute source, it will be
 > resolved as is ==>
 >
 > suppose you put a submount into the rottsitemap, then:
 >
 > src="work/sitemap.xmap"  ==> $cocoonroot/work/sitemap.xmap
 > src="/work/sitemap.xmap" ==> /work/sitemap.xmap
 >
 > If this is NOT correct, then i really missunderstood something ;-)
 >
 > regards, hussayn
 >
 >
 > Derek Hohls wrote:
 >  > Hussayn
 >  >
 >  > From the Cocoon docs site:
 >  >  http://xml.apache.org/cocoon/userdocs/concepts/sitemap.html
 >  >
 >  >
 >  > 
 >  >
 >  >  check-reload="no"
 >  >  src="faq/sitemap.xmap"/>
 >  > 
 >  >
 >  > The src attribute is where the sub-sitemap is located.
 >  > If it ends in a slash "sitemap.xmap" is appended to find the sitemap,
 >  > otherwise the src value is used. A check-reload attribute can be used
 >  > to determine if the modification date of the sub-sitemap file 
should be
 >  > checked.
 >  > The uri-prefix is the part that should be removed from the request 
URI.
 >  >
 >  > The engine will correctly check for a trailing slash (which you may
 >  > write,
 >  > of course). If in the example above "faq/cocoon" is requested, "faq/"
 >  > is removed from the URI and "cocoon" is passed to the sub-sitemap
 >  > which is loaded from "faq/sitemap.xmap".
 >  >
 >  >
 >  > So - the Cocoon docs writer seems to be saying that src DOES NOT NEED
 >  > a leading '/'  (of course, I am not sure if one is permissible??)
 >  >
 >  > I think we need clarity from one of the "gurus" and for both sites
 >  > to
 >  > be updated with this detailed clarification !
 >  >
 >  > Derek
 >  >
 >  >
 >  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 20/02/2003 01:59:54 >>>
 >  >>>
 >  > Hy;
 >  >
 >  > I noticed a slight modification in
 >  >
 >  > 
http://wiki.cocoondev.org/Wiki.jsp?page=BeginnerSimpleWebappOrganisation
 >  >
 >  >
 >  > which from my understanding has introduced two severe errors!
 >  > As i don't exactly know, why these changes have been made,
 >  > i want to ask if i missunderstood something. Here is, what i
 >  > find suspect:
 >  >
 >  > 1.) Advanced Issue: separating your work folder from cocoon
 >  >  ...
 >  >  
 >  >
 >  >  
 >  > reload-method="synchron"
 >  > src="work/sitemap.xmap"
 >  > uri-prefix="work"/>
 >  >   
 >  >  
 >  >
 >  >
 >  >  This snippet i found in the doc. In my eyes this does NOT
 >  >  what is explained in the doc. From my understanding the
 >  >  source must be declared as absolute path as follows:
 >  >
 >  > src="/work/sitemap.xmap"
 >  >
 >  >  Why has the leading slash been deleted in the doc?
 >  >
 >  >
 >  > 2.) Advanced issue: Setting up a generic mount point outside of Cocoon
 >  >  I found a similar modification:
 >  >
 >  > src="work/{1}/sitemap.xmap"
 >  >
 >  >  Shouldn't it be:
 >  >
 >  > src="/work/{1}/sitemap.xmap"
 >  >
 >  >
 >  > I post this email only, because i don't understand, why these mods 
have
 >  >
 >  > been made. From the history i can see, these mods have been made by
 >  > two
 >  > different persons... hmm...
 >  >
 >  >
 >
 > --
 > Dr. Hussayn Dabbous
 > SAXESS Softwar

Re: BeginnerSimpleWebappOrganisation strange evolution ...

[Derek Hohls]

Hussayn
yes, it does!  (and I am both a windows user - local
machine and UNIX user - for the production site)
 
can you add these "gems" to the relevant wiki pages?!
 
derek>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 20/02/2003 04:15:00 
>>>Hy, Derek;upps...From your question may i 
conclude, that you are a windows user?I am not very familiar with the 
windows file syntax, but ithink, the translation is something 
like:src="" ==> 
$cocoonroot\work\sitemap.xmapsrc="" ==> 
D://work/sitemap.xmapBy specifying an absolute path, i can separate my 
project sourcesphysically from the cocoon-distrib. Does this answer your 
question ?regards, hussaynDerek Hohls wrote:> 
Hussayn>  > $cocoonroot/work/sitemap.xmap - I understand, 
but> where exactly is> /work/sitemap.xmap ??? and why do you want 
it?>  > Derek> >  >>> 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 20/02/2003 03:22:54  Hy, Derek;> 
> If you specify a relative src it will be resolved relative to 
the> current sitemap. If you specify an absolute source, it will 
be> resolved as is ==>> > suppose you put a submount 
into the rottsitemap, then:> > src=""  
==> $cocoonroot/work/sitemap.xmap> src="" ==> 
/work/sitemap.xmap> > If this is NOT correct, then i really 
missunderstood something ;-)> > regards, hussayn> > 
> Derek Hohls wrote:>  > Hussayn>  > 
>  > From the Cocoon docs site:>  >  http://xml.apache.org/cocoon/userdocs/concepts/sitemap.html>  
>>  >>  > >  >    >  
>  
check-reload="no">  
>  
src=""/>>  > >  
>>  > The src attribute is where the sub-sitemap is 
located.>  > If it ends in a slash "sitemap.xmap" is appended to 
find the sitemap,>  > otherwise the src value is used. A 
check-reload attribute can be used>  > to determine if the 
modification date of the sub-sitemap file should be>  > 
checked.>  > The uri-prefix is the part that should be removed 
from the request URI.>  >>  > The engine will 
correctly check for a trailing slash (which you may>  > 
write,>  > of course). If in the example above "faq/cocoon" is 
requested, "faq/">  > is removed from the URI and "cocoon" is 
passed to the sub-sitemap>  > which is loaded from 
"faq/sitemap.xmap".>  >>  >>  > So 
- the Cocoon docs writer seems to be saying that src DOES NOT NEED>  
> a leading '/'  (of course, I am not sure if one is 
permissible??)>  >>  > I think we need clarity 
from one of the "gurus" and for both sites>  > 
to>  > be updated with this detailed clarification 
!>  >>  > Derek>  >>  
>>  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 20/02/2003 01:59:54 
    > Hy;>  
>>  > I noticed a slight modification in>  
>>  > http://wiki.cocoondev.org/Wiki.jsp?page=BeginnerSimpleWebappOrganisation>  
>>  >>  > which from my understanding has 
introduced two severe errors!>  > As i don't exactly know, why 
these changes have been made,>  > i want to ask if i 
missunderstood something. Here is, what i>  > find 
suspect:>  >>  > 1.) Advanced Issue: separating 
your work folder from cocoon>  >  
...>  >  
>  
>    >  
>  >  
> 
reload-method="synchron">  
> 
src="">  
> 
uri-prefix="work"/>>  >   
>  >  
>  >>  >>  
>  This snippet i found in the doc. In my eyes 
this does NOT>  >  what is explained 
in the doc. From my understanding the>  
>  source must be declared as absolute path as 
follows:>  >>  
> 
src="">  >>  
>  Why has the leading slash been deleted in the 
doc?>  >>  >>  > 2.) Advanced 
issue: Setting up a generic mount point outside of Cocoon>  
>  I found a similar modification:>  
>>  
> 
src="">  >>  
>  Shouldn't it be:>  
>>  
> 
src="">  >>  >>  
> I post this email only, because i don't understand, why these mods 
have>  >>  > been made. From the history i can 
see, these mods have been made by>  > two>  > 
different persons... hmm...>  >>  >> 
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Re: BeginnerSimpleWebappOrganisation strange evolution ...

[SAXESS - Hussayn Dabbous]

Hy, Derek;

upps...

From your question may i conclude, that you are a windows user?

I am not very familiar with the windows file syntax, but i
think, the translation is something like:

src="work/sitemap.xmap" ==> $cocoonroot\work\sitemap.xmap
src="D://work/sitemap.xmap" ==> D://work/sitemap.xmap

By specifying an absolute path, i can separate my project sources
physically from the cocoon-distrib. Does this answer your question ?

regards, hussayn


Derek Hohls wrote:

Hussayn
 
$cocoonroot/work/sitemap.xmap - I understand, but
where exactly is
/work/sitemap.xmap ??? and why do you want it?
 
Derek

 >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 20/02/2003 03:22:54 >>>
Hy, Derek;

If you specify a relative src it will be resolved relative to the
current sitemap. If you specify an absolute source, it will be
resolved as is ==>

suppose you put a submount into the rottsitemap, then:

src="work/sitemap.xmap"  ==> $cocoonroot/work/sitemap.xmap
src="/work/sitemap.xmap" ==> /work/sitemap.xmap

If this is NOT correct, then i really missunderstood something ;-)

regards, hussayn


Derek Hohls wrote:
 > Hussayn
 > 
 > From the Cocoon docs site:
 >  http://xml.apache.org/cocoon/userdocs/concepts/sitemap.html
 >
 >
 > 
 >
 >  check-reload="no"
 >  src="faq/sitemap.xmap"/>
 > 
 >
 > The src attribute is where the sub-sitemap is located.
 > If it ends in a slash "sitemap.xmap" is appended to find the sitemap,
 > otherwise the src value is used. A check-reload attribute can be used
 > to determine if the modification date of the sub-sitemap file should be
 > checked.
 > The uri-prefix is the part that should be removed from the request URI.
 >
 > The engine will correctly check for a trailing slash (which you may
 > write,
 > of course). If in the example above "faq/cocoon" is requested, "faq/"
 > is removed from the URI and "cocoon" is passed to the sub-sitemap
 > which is loaded from "faq/sitemap.xmap".
 >
 >
 > So - the Cocoon docs writer seems to be saying that src DOES NOT NEED
 > a leading '/'  (of course, I am not sure if one is permissible??)
 >
 > I think we need clarity from one of the "gurus" and for both sites
 > to
 > be updated with this detailed clarification !
 >
 > Derek
 >
 >
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 20/02/2003 01:59:54 >>>
 >>>
 > Hy;
 >
 > I noticed a slight modification in
 >
 > http://wiki.cocoondev.org/Wiki.jsp?page=BeginnerSimpleWebappOrganisation
 >
 >
 > which from my understanding has introduced two severe errors!
 > As i don't exactly know, why these changes have been made,
 > i want to ask if i missunderstood something. Here is, what i
 > find suspect:
 >
 > 1.) Advanced Issue: separating your work folder from cocoon
 >  ...
 >  
 >
 >  
 > reload-method="synchron"
 > src="work/sitemap.xmap"
 > uri-prefix="work"/>
 >   
 >  
 >
 >
 >  This snippet i found in the doc. In my eyes this does NOT
 >  what is explained in the doc. From my understanding the
 >  source must be declared as absolute path as follows:
 >
 > src="/work/sitemap.xmap"
 >
 >  Why has the leading slash been deleted in the doc?
 >
 >
 > 2.) Advanced issue: Setting up a generic mount point outside of Cocoon
 >  I found a similar modification:
 >
 > src="work/{1}/sitemap.xmap"
 >
 >  Shouldn't it be:
 >
 > src="/work/{1}/sitemap.xmap"
 >
 >
 > I post this email only, because i don't understand, why these mods have
 >
 > been made. From the history i can see, these mods have been made by
 > two
 > different persons... hmm...
 >
 >

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Re: BeginnerSimpleWebappOrganisation strange evolution ...

[Derek Hohls]

Hussayn
 
$cocoonroot/work/sitemap.xmap - I understand, but
where exactly is
/work/sitemap.xmap ??? and why do you want it?
 
Derek>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 20/02/2003 03:22:54 
>>>Hy, Derek;If you specify a relative src it will be 
resolved relative to thecurrent sitemap. If you specify an absolute source, 
it will beresolved as is ==>suppose you put a submount into the 
rottsitemap, then:src=""  ==> 
$cocoonroot/work/sitemap.xmapsrc="" ==> 
/work/sitemap.xmapIf this is NOT correct, then i really missunderstood 
something ;-)regards, hussaynDerek Hohls wrote:> 
Hussayn>  > From the Cocoon docs site:>  http://xml.apache.org/cocoon/userdocs/concepts/sitemap.html> 
> > >    
>  
check-reload="no">  
src=""/>>  > > The src 
attribute is where the sub-sitemap is located. > If it ends in a slash 
"sitemap.xmap" is appended to find the sitemap, > otherwise the src value 
is used. A check-reload attribute can be used > to determine if the 
modification date of the sub-sitemap file should be> checked. > 
The uri-prefix is the part that should be removed from the request URI.> 
> The engine will correctly check for a trailing slash (which you 
may> write, > of course). If in the example above "faq/cocoon" is 
requested, "faq/" > is removed from the URI and "cocoon" is passed to the 
sub-sitemap > which is loaded from "faq/sitemap.xmap". > > 
> So - the Cocoon docs writer seems to be saying that src DOES NOT 
NEED> a leading '/'  (of course, I am not sure if one is 
permissible??)> > I think we need clarity from one of the 
"gurus" and for both sites> to> be updated with this detailed 
clarification !> > Derek> > 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 20/02/2003 01:59:54 
>>> Hy;> > I noticed a slight 
modification in> > http://wiki.cocoondev.org/Wiki.jsp?page=BeginnerSimpleWebappOrganisation> 
> > which from my understanding has introduced two severe 
errors!> As i don't exactly know, why these changes have been 
made,> i want to ask if i missunderstood something. Here is, what 
i> find suspect:> > 1.) Advanced Issue: separating your 
work folder from cocoon>  
...>  
>    
>  
> 
reload-method="synchron"> 
src=""> 
uri-prefix="work"/>>   
>  
> > >  
This snippet i found in the doc. In my eyes this does 
NOT>  what is explained in the doc. From my 
understanding the>  source must be declared 
as absolute path as follows:> 
> 
src=""> >  Why has 
the leading slash been deleted in the doc?> > > 2.) 
Advanced issue: Setting up a generic mount point outside of 
Cocoon>  I found a similar 
modification:> 
> 
src=""> >  
Shouldn't it be:> 
> 
src=""> > > I post this email only, 
because i don't understand, why these mods have> > been made. From 
the history i can see, these mods have been made by> two> 
different persons... hmm...> > -- Dr. Hussayn 
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Re: BeginnerSimpleWebappOrganisation strange evolution ...

[SAXESS - Hussayn Dabbous]

Hy, Derek;

If you specify a relative src it will be resolved relative to the
current sitemap. If you specify an absolute source, it will be
resolved as is ==>

suppose you put a submount into the rottsitemap, then:

src="work/sitemap.xmap"  ==> $cocoonroot/work/sitemap.xmap
src="/work/sitemap.xmap" ==> /work/sitemap.xmap

If this is NOT correct, then i really missunderstood something ;-)

regards, hussayn


Derek Hohls wrote:

Hussayn
 
From the Cocoon docs site:
 http://xml.apache.org/cocoon/userdocs/concepts/sitemap.html



   
 src="faq/sitemap.xmap"/>
 

The src attribute is where the sub-sitemap is located. 
If it ends in a slash "sitemap.xmap" is appended to find the sitemap, 
otherwise the src value is used. A check-reload attribute can be used 
to determine if the modification date of the sub-sitemap file should be
checked. 
The uri-prefix is the part that should be removed from the request URI.

The engine will correctly check for a trailing slash (which you may
write, 
of course). If in the example above "faq/cocoon" is requested, "faq/" 
is removed from the URI and "cocoon" is passed to the sub-sitemap 
which is loaded from "faq/sitemap.xmap". 


So - the Cocoon docs writer seems to be saying that src DOES NOT NEED
a leading '/'  (of course, I am not sure if one is permissible??)

I think we need clarity from one of the "gurus" and for both sites
to
be updated with this detailed clarification !

Derek


[EMAIL PROTECTED] 20/02/2003 01:59:54 >>>



Hy;

I noticed a slight modification in

http://wiki.cocoondev.org/Wiki.jsp?page=BeginnerSimpleWebappOrganisation


which from my understanding has introduced two severe errors!
As i don't exactly know, why these changes have been made,
i want to ask if i missunderstood something. Here is, what i
find suspect:

1.) Advanced Issue: separating your work folder from cocoon
 ...
 
   
 
  
 


 This snippet i found in the doc. In my eyes this does NOT
 what is explained in the doc. From my understanding the
 source must be declared as absolute path as follows:

src="/work/sitemap.xmap"

 Why has the leading slash been deleted in the doc?


2.) Advanced issue: Setting up a generic mount point outside of Cocoon
 I found a similar modification:

src="work/{1}/sitemap.xmap"

 Shouldn't it be:

src="/work/{1}/sitemap.xmap"


I post this email only, because i don't understand, why these mods have

been made. From the history i can see, these mods have been made by
two
different persons... hmm...




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Re: BeginnerSimpleWebappOrganisation strange evolution ...

[Derek Hohls]

Hussayn
 
>From the Cocoon docs site:
 http://xml.apache.org/cocoon/userdocs/concepts/sitemap.html



   
 

The src attribute is where the sub-sitemap is located. 
If it ends in a slash "sitemap.xmap" is appended to find the sitemap, 
otherwise the src value is used. A check-reload attribute can be used 
to determine if the modification date of the sub-sitemap file should be
checked. 
The uri-prefix is the part that should be removed from the request URI.

The engine will correctly check for a trailing slash (which you may
write, 
of course). If in the example above "faq/cocoon" is requested, "faq/" 
is removed from the URI and "cocoon" is passed to the sub-sitemap 
which is loaded from "faq/sitemap.xmap". 


So - the Cocoon docs writer seems to be saying that src DOES NOT NEED
a leading '/'  (of course, I am not sure if one is permissible??)

I think we need clarity from one of the "gurus" and for both sites
to
be updated with this detailed clarification !

Derek

>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 20/02/2003 01:59:54 >>>
Hy;

I noticed a slight modification in

http://wiki.cocoondev.org/Wiki.jsp?page=BeginnerSimpleWebappOrganisation


which from my understanding has introduced two severe errors!
As i don't exactly know, why these changes have been made,
i want to ask if i missunderstood something. Here is, what i
find suspect:

1.) Advanced Issue: separating your work folder from cocoon
 ...
 
   
 
  
 


 This snippet i found in the doc. In my eyes this does NOT
 what is explained in the doc. From my understanding the
 source must be declared as absolute path as follows:

src="/work/sitemap.xmap"

 Why has the leading slash been deleted in the doc?


2.) Advanced issue: Setting up a generic mount point outside of Cocoon
 I found a similar modification:

src="work/{1}/sitemap.xmap"

 Shouldn't it be:

src="/work/{1}/sitemap.xmap"


I post this email only, because i don't understand, why these mods have

been made. From the history i can see, these mods have been made by
two
different persons... hmm...


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BeginnerSimpleWebappOrganisation strange evolution ...

[SAXESS - Hussayn Dabbous]

Hy;

I noticed a slight modification in

http://wiki.cocoondev.org/Wiki.jsp?page=BeginnerSimpleWebappOrganisation

which from my understanding has introduced two severe errors!
As i don't exactly know, why these changes have been made,
i want to ask if i missunderstood something. Here is, what i
find suspect:

1.) Advanced Issue: separating your work folder from cocoon
...

  

   reload-method="synchron"
   src="work/sitemap.xmap"
   uri-prefix="work"/>
 



This snippet i found in the doc. In my eyes this does NOT
what is explained in the doc. From my understanding the
source must be declared as absolute path as follows:

   src="/work/sitemap.xmap"

Why has the leading slash been deleted in the doc?


2.) Advanced issue: Setting up a generic mount point outside of Cocoon
I found a similar modification:

   src="work/{1}/sitemap.xmap"

Shouldn't it be:

   src="/work/{1}/sitemap.xmap"


I post this email only, because i don't understand, why these mods have 
been made. From the history i can see, these mods have been made by two
different persons... hmm...


--
Dr. Hussayn Dabbous
SAXESS Software Design GmbH
Neuenhöfer Allee 125
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