FYI: spam/viruses originating from apache.org
FYI, I have received a spam/virus email apparently from someone @apache.org, and I also got a virus scanner response at my @apache.org address, indicating that some weird message has been sent with [EMAIL PROTECTED] as the originator. If anyone wants to investigate further I have stored the messages, but I don't think there's much that can be done about it. -- Bertrand Delacretaz (codeconsult.ch, jfor.org) XML, java, XSLT, Cocoon, FOP, mentoring/programming/teaching blogspace http://www.codeconsult.ch/bertrand - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: FYI: spam/viruses originating from apache.org
Le Lundi, 2 juin 2003, à 17:54 Europe/Zurich, Sander Temme a écrit : ...I got one of those bounces on another e-mail address. Aren't those manifestations of that worm variant that proliferates using the entries in the victim's address book as From: address? Such as: http://securityresponse.symantec.com/avcenter/venc/data/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] You're most probably right - sorry for the noise, I thought there might be some gigantic plot by the Forces Of Software Evil going on ;-) -Bertrand - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [PROPSAL] Support EU Patent Vote Protest
Le Mercredi, 27 aoû 2003, à 00:30 Europe/Zurich, David Reid a écrit : This may well be too late for any form of decision, but I propose that for the duration of the 27th August 2003 we change the index page of the main ASF web site to point at a page that states our opposition to the proposal being voted on and our support for the campaign against it. +1 The page is currently at http://cvs.apache.org/~gianugo/apache-protest.html and simply imposes a 60 second delay... Note that users can click through and do not *have* to wait 60 seconds. -Bertrand - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Long and/or non-Apache posts on planetapache.org, is that ok?
Thanks Thom and team for planetapache.org! Due to popular demand (one guy;-) my weblog is setup to send the whole text of posts over RSS, and I just posted a loong text which I'm afraid will take a lot of real estate on the http://www.planetapache.org/ page. Is this a problem for anyone, and if yes how to best handle this? I don't want to change my weblog config, should planet show only the first X chars of entries? Also, should we all setup our blogs so that only Apache-related stuff is aggregated? I'm happy with the current situation, I don't mind seeing other people's long posts and/or posts which are not directly related to Apache, but I'd hate to offend people with mine, so please speak up if this is the case ;-) Ciao, -Bertrand -- Bertrand Delacretaz independent consultant, Lausanne, Switzerland http://cvs.apache.org/~bdelacretaz/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Microsoft patents XML based script automation?
Le Vendredi, 13 fév 2004, à 07:19 Europe/Zurich, Noel J. Bergman a écrit : See: http://www.internetnews.com/dev-news/article.php/3312091 ... Does anyone have any idea how this would effect Ant, Maven, Jelly, JSP and other technologies that use XML to describe scripting?... Doesn't prior art invalidate such patents? Systems, methods and data structures for encompassing scripts written in one or more scripting languages in a single file does not sound *that* innovative here ;-) -Bertrand - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Violation of ASF license, how to resolve?
Hi all, I found out that my county is publicly distributing tax software which includes ASF software (FOP, xalan, xerces, logj4) but without including the required license. See http://www.vaudtax.vd.ch/ (but it's all in french obviously). As it's tax time around here, they already have distributed many copies. I have contacted them informally about it and promptly got a call from the company who developed the software, the person with whom I talked says they recognize the problem and are willing to include the license in new releases of their software (notice in the about box + license.txt along the installed jar files). I cannot speak for the ASF on legal matters, but personally I don't think legal action is appropriate as they have immediately reacted in the right way, so in my view a fair compensation in terms of fixing the problem + public notices would be ok. In addition to fixing the problem in a new release of their software, my suggestion would be for them to include a visible notice on the main web page where the software is found, with a link to a page that explains the situation (and apologies to the ASF?). WDYT? -- Bertrand Delacretaz independent consultant, Lausanne, Switzerland http://cvs.apache.org/~bdelacretaz/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Violation of ASF license, how to resolve?
Le Mardi, 24 fév 2004, à 16:54 Europe/Zurich, Dirk-Willem van Gulik a écrit : ...If you need a formal hand - just ask - but in general what we do in these cases is to write a gentle letter; get a dialoge going, point out the license and then help the other party to come into compliance. The key aspect of this is helping and educating... Certainly. The dialogue is going, with a friendly phone call with someone from the company who wrote the software. Totally ok about educating. Would the foundation write such a letter, or do you want me to do it? If so I'd post the key points here before writing. In addition to fixing the problem in a new release of their software, my suggestion would be for them to include a visible notice on the main web page where the software is found, with a link to a page that explains the situation (and apologies to the ASF?). That would be a nice thing to do - and if they feel really really guilty - we are always open for donations, patches, bugfixes or some lovely french translations of doc's - but first I would focus on ensuring that going forward the issue is resolved; the last thing we want is getting bug-reports about *their* app from the tax-payers of CH in our bug tracker :-) due to such a link... You're right about the link, so maybe we should just ask for a notice on their website indicating that ASF software has been redistributed without the required licences, and that this will be fixed in the next release? I'd also add a note about contributions and bug fixes in the letter, bug this goes more for the company who developed the software than for the county who's only distributing it. -Bertrand - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Violation of ASF license, how to resolve?
Le Mercredi, 25 fév 2004, à 11:10 Europe/Zurich, Greg Stein a écrit : On Wed, Feb 25, 2004 at 08:53:02AM +0100, Bertrand Delacretaz wrote: ... You're right about the link, so maybe we should just ask for a notice on their website indicating that ASF software has been redistributed without the required licences, and that this will be fixed in the next release? What... you want to grind their noses into it? Not at all - I thought about a notice as some fair enough free publicity for the ASF and as education (as Dirk-Willem mentions). There's a lot of talk and misconceptions in the press about open source around here these days, so public ways of raising awareness about what the ASF is doing are good IMHO. It was a simple oversight. They've agreed to correct it. Move along... Ok, let's solve this in a simple (yet educational ;-) way. -Bertrand - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Violation of ASF license, how to resolve?
Le Mercredi, 25 fév 2004, à 11:24 Europe/Zurich, Dirk-Willem van Gulik a écrit : ...If a _letter_ needs to be written; the foundation needs to ultimately send it. But it seems from your description that this may get solved without one... Certainly, so if you're ok I'll just send to them an email in French stating that: -The ASF asks them to include the appropriate license.txt file along with the redistributed jars in future releases, and a notice in the about box, contains software copyrighted by the Apache Software Foundation. -We would appreciate a notice on the website where the software is distributed, something like Our software includes software components copyrighted by the Apache Software Foundation, but we omitted to include the required license. This will be corrected in future releases. How does this sound? -Bertrand - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Violation of ASF license, how to resolve?
Le Mercredi, 25 fév 2004, à 11:41 Europe/Zurich, Dirk-Willem van Gulik a écrit : ...I'd say something - you may consider a notice until you've started to do a new release or something... ok - I'll do so and put you in CC. Thanks for you help! -Bertrand - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: ApacheCon Europe???
Hi Jeremias, There are several committers I know here in Europe who'd very much love an ApacheCon in our vicinity... I'd love to be able to participate in an ApacheCon, but Vegas is far away... So +1 for an ApacheCon in Europe, or a smaller GetTogether depending on possible help and budget. ...What about joining http://lots.ch next year? FYI, I've joined the LOTS organization team (as of yesterday, no kidding ;-) and as such will be involved in the organization of next year's event. This year's conference, although not that big in size and budget, has been a success, which means sponsors will certainly be willing to help next year as well. So, assuming a full-blown ApacheCon is too ambitious, I like the idea: collaborate with lots.ch to have more ASF talks and workshops next year, and setup some ASF-specific meeting points or social events? -Bertrand - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Policy (Was: Playboy mirror logo?)
Thanks Vadim, I see your points and basically agree - Dirk's proposal to accept all logos/mirrors with possible exceptions (illegal, banned, found offensive by many) sounds easier and certainly good enough. -Bertrand (BTW, I havent found this playboy logo yet - bear with me, just back from long holidays ;-) Le 26 août 04, à 12:54, Vadim Gritsenko a écrit : ...-1. First of all, what's non-IT company's fault so it gets discriminated like that? Are they somehow second class and do not deserve to be mentioned? Second of all, I just don't see any logical justification behind this suggestion. b) Logos from other entities might be accepted if a vote among ASF members is more than X percent positive (suggest 80%) we will take your bandwidth, thank you, but your logo too sucky to be ever shown on our page. That's not the message I'd like ASF to show to the world out there - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [ANN] Avalon Closed
Le 21 déc. 04, à 08:21, Brian W. Fitzpatrick a écrit : Take it to alt.talk.wank for crissakes. +1 -Bertrand smime.p7s Description: S/MIME cryptographic signature
Re: Netiquette: Is there an issue, and can we make the ASF more welcoming?
Le 7 août 05, à 16:16, Noel J. Bergman a écrit : ... - Is there an issue? I don't think there is a general issue, but I see three points which might help: 1) Talking on lists that one doesn't know well is hard For me I feel much more comfortable on dev@cocoon.apache.org than on other lists because I consider that one my home at the ASF. I know many of the people who talk there, several of them I have met IRL, and we're used to talk together on the list, we know each other's tone, who's harsher and what it really means, who is sometimes betrayed by their limited english, etc. We read between the lines a lot when talking with people that we know well. OTOH, when I try to participate in a conversation with people whom I know less, I'm often surprised by the tone of some messages, or I discover pre-existing tensions between people which bend their way of talking, etc. It's just a more foreign environment which makes me feel less comfortable. Suggestion: people should make a conscious switch when they leave their home lists to talk on other lists, and be extra careful when not at home, mostly about their tone and how they react to the tone of others (who might be at home on that list). It's basic netiquette anyway, but maybe we forget about this because the other list is also at the ASF and we think it's home as well. 2) The wrong list syndrome The typical scenario is when a message is copied on the board@ list, then people start talking there even if the discussion does not belong there. Then, some people stay away from the discussion because they know it's off-topic there, and this most probably causes valuable opinions to be missing, or the discussion to thin out without any real action. Suggestion: define a simple protocol for moving discussions to another list when this happen. Suggested protocol: Reply with [MOVE] in the subject when one feels the discussion should move, and as soon as there are 3 or 5 +1s to this the discussion has to move, starting on the new list with a summary of what was said so far (without breaking privacy of course). 3) Lack of whiteboard It's well known that the most efficient discussion is an open one around a whiteboard. We have the openness with our lists, but very often we're missing the whiteboard: it's hard to jump in a discussion because one doesn't have a clear picture of the current state, what was said, what was already agreed upon, etc. This often causes a lot of friction, misunderstandings, irritation and generally lowers the already poor efficiency of the lists as a way of negociating important issues. Suggestion: use more [SUMMARY] messages when discussions go on for a long time and/or for many messages. Or post a progress report on a wiki, without breaking privacy of course. Do that in a 3P state of mind; Progress, Problems, Perspectives. - o - Apart from that, I think it's up to each PMC to take care of the tone of their lists. Talking about Cocoon again, because it's the only project where I'm regularly active, we take great care of not letting flamewars go on. I'm not saying that the Cocoon team is a perfect one, but there have been several instances of people calming down discussions, often saying we don't talk like that here and asking people to get back to factual claims instead of personal stuff. It works, the downside is that we tend to be too politically correct sometimes, but in the long term it seems much better than flaming at will. But I don't think any rules will help here, it's just each group that has to take care of themselves. -Bertrand smime.p7s Description: S/MIME cryptographic signature
Re: [Fwd: Google Summer of Code Summit]
o Is SoC a worthwhile program? Yes, no question about this. In Cocoon and FOP, SoC brought us at least two very good committers in 2005 and 2006, who might not have joined the projects otherwise. o Should the ASF continue to participate in the SoC program? Sure! o How can the ASF improve the student experience? By being very careful about the student selection - it is much better to have the wrong students fail very early in the process. From what I've seen (I was a mentor last year, not this year), we should only accept students who have been actively doing something to connect with our communities before the program starts. Others usually don't get the way we work, or get it much too late to do anything useful. o How should the ASF use student projects? If student's projects can be integrated directly in our codebase that's very cool. But in some cases this can also be an opportunity to try wild things which have little chance or being directly useful. o Should students be given more development resources than non-committers? Last year in the Cocoon project we opened an area of our SVN whiteboard (experimental zone) for the students, IMHO this was very good: it allowed us to see their progress in real time and it helped them learn the right way to work with a shared repository. If we want them to work full time on the project we have to give them good tools, IMHO. -Bertrand - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Fw: Call for Participation for OpenExpo 2008 in Zürich, Switzerland (24./25. September 2008)
Hi Jeremias, 2008/4/18 Jeremias Maerki [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Matthias Stürmer, one of the organizers, has mentioned to me that they would be interested in having an Apache Track. In the last issue we were three people from three different Apache projects FYI I have submitted two talks for openexpo.ch, one along the lines of my ApacheCon EU talk [1], and another one on Sling basics. I also told Matthias that this might be material for an Apache track (I know him back from the http://lots.openexpo.ch days). -Bertrand [1] http://www.slideshare.net/bdelacretaz/open-source-tools-are-good-for-you/
Re: Call for Participation for OpenExpo 2008 in Zürich, Switzerland (24./25. September 2008)
On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 11:17 AM, Jeremias Maerki [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ...Until June 15 the organizers need all the names of the people helping out at the project booths. ASF volunteers for OpenExpo.ch, please add yourself on the Wiki: http://wiki.apache.org/apachecon/NonApacheConEvents... I missed the deadline but I should be able to take care of the booth on Sept. 25th morning - added my name to the wiki. I'd also suggest setting up the booth so that it doesn't have to be manned at all times - we can for example display at the booth the pictures of Apache people that are around, so that people can grab us. And add email/IM contact info as well. -Bertrand - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Open Expo Zürich Booth [Re: Call for Participation for OpenExpo 2008 ...]
Hi Jeremias, ...PDF: http://people.apache.org/~jeremias/asf/asf-brochure-en-up.pdf... Great stuff! Sorry to answer late, I finally found some time to have a closer look, here are some suggestions. It says nothing about the board, maybe just 9 volunteer directors in numbers would do. In projects, it might be good to mention incubating ones, suggest plus a number of incubating projects (incubator.apache.org). AFAIK ApacheCon Amsterdam 2009 is planned for March 23-27. Maybe the picture at http://www.flickr.com/photos/twleung/2011802787/in/set-72157603145226237/ would look better? IIUC it's all rights reserved so I guess Ted Leung would have to authorize its use. I find the sponsorship part a bit too detailed compared to the rest, here's an alternate suggestion: ** The ASF Sponsorship Program is the official avenue for substantial, non-directed monetary contributions to the ASF. It is the closest and most direct method for a corporation or individual to support the ASF. In return, ASF will make official acknowledgement and thanks for the donation via public relations involvement (as appropriate according to one of four sponsorship levels), sponsor logos, etc. More details can be found at www.apache.org/foundation, or by contacting [EMAIL PROTECTED] ** Thanks for your work! Once you're done, I'd suggest informing [EMAIL PROTECTED] of this flyer, so that others can reuse it as needed. -Bertrand - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Topic-based mailing lists
On Mon, Mar 30, 2009 at 2:25 AM, Daniel F. Savarese d...@savarese.org wrote: ...To support both inter-project cooperation and more general cross-project committer software development discussions, I would recommend starting with a single general software development discussion list for committers. If there's enough traffic of a non-ephemeral nature on a particular topic (e.g., the osgi, http, rest, etc. examples), then split it off into a new mailing list +1 I suggest creating a new list for that (t...@apache.org ?) so as to avoid people unsubscribing from this community@apache.org list if it becomes too busy. And require people to use [tags] in subject lines for filtering. -Bertrand - To unsubscribe, e-mail: community-unsubscr...@apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: community-h...@apache.org
Re: [meetup] Hadoop in Berlin
Hi Isabel, On Tue, Apr 28, 2009 at 11:23 PM, Isabel Drost isa...@apache.org wrote: ...In the past year there have been quite a few Apache events (Bar Camps, Meetups, User Groups etc.). Actually there were so many, I think it would be helpful to have one calendar*, where all (or at least most) of these events get posted. I think this list should be published somewhere at Apache. However, I have no idea where that should be done. Any suggestions?... http://blogs.apache.org/foundation/ might be good - that's managed by the PRC, the best might be to send a draft blog post to them (p...@apache.org) for approval and publication. -Bertrand - To unsubscribe, e-mail: community-unsubscr...@apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: community-h...@apache.org
Re: [VOTE] Change community@ list settings
On Tue, Jul 7, 2009 at 11:28 PM, Jukka Zittingjukka.zitt...@gmail.com wrote: [X ] +1 Change list settings (allow anyone to subscribe or post) -Bertrand - To unsubscribe, e-mail: community-unsubscr...@apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: community-h...@apache.org
Re: I should have said this
Hi, On Thu, Sep 24, 2009 at 12:36 PM, Tetsuya Kitahata tets...@apache.org wrote: Bertrand Delacretaz bdelacre...@apache.org wrote: I am VERY offended by you making such requests on this public mailing list. Sorry, I could not understand why you felt offended I don't think playing stupid will get you anywhere, and will stop feeding the troll now. -Bertrand - To unsubscribe, e-mail: community-unsubscr...@apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: community-h...@apache.org
Re: Survey about open source projects
On Wed, Dec 23, 2009 at 2:28 AM, Nick Chalko n...@chalko.com wrote: Is there a FAQ that asks people not to ask us to fill out surveys? Steve Loughran had good comments on this back in 2007: http://www.1060.org/blogxter/entry?publicid=E47B0A97528CCD973524C9A938A2E8D9 -Bertrand - To unsubscribe, e-mail: community-unsubscr...@apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: community-h...@apache.org
Re: Apache Dinner Paris - Open World Forum
On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 5:20 PM, Emmanuel Lecharny elecha...@gmail.com wrote: next week The Open World Forum will open in Paris (http://www.openworldforum.org/), on thursday and friday. It would be cool to organize an Apache dinner thursday evening, for those of you who would be around. We can met each others, and have some interesting discussions about The ASF, Life, The universe and Everything. I can book a restaurant for the 42 of you interested in such a meeting, just let me know who is likely to be present. Count me in! -Bertrand - To unsubscribe, e-mail: community-unsubscr...@apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: community-h...@apache.org
Re: Apache Dinner Paris - Open World Forum
On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 3:51 PM, Emmanuel Lécharny elecha...@apache.org wrote:
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if ( asfer.isPuking() ) {
band.remove( asfer );
asfer.grabATaxi();
asfer.goToBed();
}...
FWIW, some ASFers like me will throw HadEnoughToDrinkException before
that happens, but I like the general idea ;-)
-Bertrand
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Re: Big Feature Logo
On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 2:24 AM, David Blevins david.blev...@gmail.com wrote: Anyone know if we have a really big version of the feather logo anywhere? There's an EPS at https://svn.apache.org/repos/private/foundation/Press/Logos/1999_Logo/asf_logo.eps -Bertrand - To unsubscribe, e-mail: community-unsubscr...@apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: community-h...@apache.org
Re: Gora community size (was Re: WELCOME to community@apache.org)
Hi, On Mon, Apr 23, 2012 at 9:37 PM, Lewis John Mcgibbney lewis.mcgibb...@gmail.com wrote: ...Just to clear one thing up here, Ferdy was VOTE'd in for Gora PMC and committership in January of this year. In the following thread [0] Chris states that Ferdy was added to the resolution which was subsequently passed by the board at the January or February board meeting... fe...@apache.org is indeed listed in the resolution at http://www.apache.org/foundation/records/minutes/2012/board_minutes_2012_01_24.txt -Bertrand [0] http://www.mail-archive.com/gora-dev@incubator.apache.org/msg01344.html - To unsubscribe, e-mail: community-unsubscr...@apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: community-h...@apache.org
Re: Committer Acknowledgement from Apache Community
Hi, On Wed, May 8, 2013 at 12:35 AM, lewis john mcgibbney lewi...@apache.org wrote: I recently got a request from a PMC member for formal recognition that they are an Apache Committer. ... Can I (as project chair) write a letter of acknowledgement and pass it on?... If you write that in your own name and stick to true facts, I have no problem with that. -Bertrand - To unsubscribe, e-mail: community-unsubscr...@apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: community-h...@apache.org
Re: Low level community
Hi, On Sun, Jun 29, 2014 at 1:22 PM, Andy Seaborne a...@apache.org wrote: ...With a large number of TLPs, some are going to be in this state. Not attic-worthy, still useful, minimal active development... Agreed - and from the board's point of view it's good for such projects to mention in their reports that although their activity is minimal, they do have at least 3 active PMC members who can step in when needed. If that's the case, low activity and small communities are fine. -Bertrand - To unsubscribe, e-mail: community-unsubscr...@apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: community-h...@apache.org
