Re: Two finger input methods (PyGTK demos)
On Wed, Sep 05, 2007 at 03:53:17AM +0200, Lars Hallberg wrote: Josef Wolf skrev: On Sun, Sep 02, 2007 at 07:49:43PM +0200, Lars Hallberg wrote: [ ... ] Not much faster I'm afraid, but a new version available at the same place: http://www.micropp.se/openmoko/res/key2key.py Lars, can you please explain what you mean how this new 12-chars-per-key system works? Pretty simple, You have 12 key (3x4 array) and ether tap a key or press it and drag to any of the other 11 keys - 12 functions. It's extendible - If You add a column of keys You got 15 keys with 15 functions. Actually plan on letting the user (and possibly apps) customize the keyboard in part - that may include adding extra columns :-) Ah, OK. But don't this have the drawback that it is not possible to show the positions second-level characters in advance? So you have to guess which key to press to find out whether the character you look for is on the second level of the key you pressed. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: I broke my (non-NEO!) phone :-(
As a Mac user/developer this might attract your interest: http://www.quantum-step.com/wiki.php?page=OpenMoko-Edition http://www.quantum-step.com/wiki.php?page=Presentations Am 05.09.2007 um 07:47 schrieb Christ van Willegen: On 9/4/07, Jimmy McMillan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you think you can wait a few more months before you'll be able to use it as a phone, then I don't see the harm in not deving for it. :P ...so I might as well dev for it. True, true, but setting up the build env. has proven to be ... hard on a Mac. There are the VMWare images, but it's an iMac G5, so I have no Intel processor to run the VMWare player on. And running it under Virtual PC may prove to be slowish, to say the least. But, I'll be upgrading my RAM soon, so maybe then Virtual PC with VMWare player may be an option. Christ van Willegen -- 09 F9 11 02 9D 74 E3 5B D8 41 56 C5 63 56 88 C0 ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Two finger input methods (PyGTK demos)
Moin, Am Mon, 3 Sep 2007 08:52:45 +0200 schrieb pHilipp Zabel: The python-pygtk package should now depend on -pygobject and -pycairo and I moved the .pc file out of python-pygobject, so it shouldn't depend on libglib-2.0-dev anymore. Could you rebuild and test those three packages, please? Ah, that's better, thanks. -- Henryk Plötz Grüße aus Berlin ~ Help Microsoft fight software piracy: Give Linux to a friend today! ~ ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Two finger input methods (PyGTK demos)
Moin, Am Wed, 05 Sep 2007 03:53:17 +0200 schrieb Lars Hallberg: Over to Your problem. Your Python is probably to old. According to the python docs (3.6.1 String Methods) You need python 2.5: I had the same problem and whipped up a quick partition(). Works ok for me (patch attached). -- Henryk Plötz Grüße aus Berlin ~ Help Microsoft fight software piracy: Give Linux to a friend today! ~ --- key2key.py.old 2007-09-02 20:10:56.0 +0200 +++ key2key.py 2007-09-05 10:38:39.0 +0200 @@ -12,6 +12,12 @@ scale = scale * 4.0 / cols hscale = hscale * scale +def partition(s, sep): +if sep in s: +a,b = s.split(sep,1) +return (a,sep,b) +else: return (s, ,) + keymap = [ [ # What function each 'key' vill have [ [1:@#$\, ', \, `, x, x ], [@, $, %, ~, x, x ], @@ -97,7 +103,7 @@ def build_label(self, l): p = pango.AttrList() -(ll, sep, s) = l.partition(:) +(ll, sep, s) = partition(l,:) if sep == :: l = \n.join([ll, s]) p.insert(pango.AttrScale(hscale, 0, len(ll))) @@ -168,7 +174,7 @@ c = keymap[row][col][ii][jj] if (ii == row) and (jj == col): -(c, text, t) = c.partition(:) +(c, text, t) = partition(c,:) text = c if c == enter: self.txt.insert_at_cursor(\n) ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
RE: SMedia 3362
What exactly will the driver actually be? As far as I can tell there are several options: 1) A DRI/DRM kernel module associated mesa module 2) A hacked up KDrive with accelerated driver 3) An xorg EXA/XAA driver 4) A DirectFB kernel module 5) A bog-standard Linux frame buffer device Does anyone know the answer to this at all? I've had a quick look around the source and can't seem to find anything which might give us a clue... ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Two finger input methods (PyGTK demos)
Josef Wolf skrev: On Wed, Sep 05, 2007 at 03:53:17AM +0200, Lars Hallberg wrote: Pretty simple, You have 12 key (3x4 array) and ether tap a key or press it and drag to any of the other 11 keys - 12 functions. It's extendible - If You add a column of keys You got 15 keys with 15 functions. Actually plan on letting the user (and possibly apps) customize the keyboard in part - that may include adding extra columns :-) Ah, OK. But don't this have the drawback that it is not possible to show the positions second-level characters in advance? So you have to guess which key to press to find out whether the character you look for is on the second level of the key you pressed. Yes, kind of. You can show the most common (letters, numbers). You can try to group them logically and show a mnemonic hint at what characters are there (ie ,. - punctuation) You can cancel a key press by dragging outside the keyboard to assist in searching. But in the end is all about learning. To be really fast You need to learn the secondary key position so You can start the 'stroke' at once. In practice it don't appear to be as much of a problem as it sounds :-) You learn what You use often fast and the rest is rare enough to not be too troubling. The key layout is not yet in any way optimal, and only in 'numlock' version. To ease learning I believe the difference between numlock and not should be minimal... Like swap the number and the most used letter on each key... Stuff away 1 and 2 on 1, and pulling up the two most used letters left to those positions. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: I broke my (non-NEO!) phone :-(
On 9/5/07, Al Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You may be able to convert the VMware image to a VirtualPC image and run it direct. A tool certainly exists but it seems to be Windows-only. I've seen suggestions that qemu-img can do the conversion too, but the VHD format's not mentioned in the man page for my install. http://vmtoolkit.com/files/folders/converters/entry8.aspx That looks like just the right tool in this instance! I'll check it out, I have Windows at work... Christ van Willegen -- 09 F9 11 02 9D 74 E3 5B D8 41 56 C5 63 56 88 C0 ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: I broke my (non-NEO!) phone :-(
On 9/5/07, Christ van Willegen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 9/5/07, Al Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You may be able to convert the VMware image to a VirtualPC image and run it direct. A tool certainly exists but it seems to be Windows-only. I've seen suggestions that qemu-img can do the conversion too, but the VHD format's not mentioned in the man page for my install. http://vmtoolkit.com/files/folders/converters/entry8.aspx That looks like just the right tool in this instance! I'll check it out, I have Windows at work... Christ van Willegen -- 09 F9 11 02 9D 74 E3 5B D8 41 56 C5 63 56 88 C0 There's also virtualbox (www.virtualbox.org). It's opensource, available for mac and can run vmware images. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GTA01 now or GTA02 later
Ian Stirling wrote: I do wish that it would not be assumed that every talk is not immediately known by everyone, and it might be reasonable to release highpoints in some global form. A fair number of them are mentioned in the OpenMoko blog. It would be nice if they were always linked to the presentations. -- Dr. David R. Newman, Queen's University Management School, Belfast BT7 1NN, Northern Ireland (UK) Tel. +44 28 9097 3643 FAX: +44 28 9097 5156 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.qub.ac.uk/mgt/ ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GTA01 now or GTA02 later
On Wed, Sep 05, 2007 at 09:37:19AM +, Lalo Martins wrote: Also spracht Ian Stirling (Tue, 04 Sep 2007 22:26:46 +0100): AFACS, you have no choice: GTA01's are sold out. You simply _have_ to wait... There have been conflicting announcements. On his presentation in Beijing last month, Sean told us they were making more. I think those extra GTA02s are already available now. Eh? GTA02s _now_? Guess this is a typo? ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GTA01 now or GTA02 later
Also spracht Josef Wolf (Wed, 05 Sep 2007 20:50:36 +0200): On Wed, Sep 05, 2007 at 09:37:19AM +, Lalo Martins wrote: On his presentation in Beijing last month, Sean told us they were making more. I think those extra GTA02s are already available now. Eh? GTA02s _now_? Guess this is a typo? Eeep. Yes. 01s :-) best, Lalo Martins -- So many of our dreams at first seem impossible, then they seem improbable, and then, when we summon the will, they soon become inevitable. - personal:http://lalo.hystericalraisins.net/ technical:http://www.hystericalraisins.net/ GNU: never give up freedom http://www.gnu.org/ ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
4 GB SD flash card does not work
I just got a 4 GB SD flash card. It seems this does not work. It may just be this model though. SanDisk 4GB microSDHC 07190023400ZC So if you try it out with a 4GB card, try to get another one. In a SD adapter it works in a computer running Microsoft Windows. It does not work in my 2 cameras and also not in a Linux machine that is newer than the Windows machine. I have a feeling it might just be a driver issue. /Ole ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: 4 GB SD flash card does not work
On 5 Sep 2007, at 22:27, Ole Tange wrote: I just got a 4 GB SD flash card. It seems this does not work. It may just be this model though. SanDisk 4GB microSDHC 07190023400ZC So if you try it out with a 4GB card, try to get another one. In a SD adapter it works in a computer running Microsoft Windows. It does not work in my 2 cameras and also not in a Linux machine that is newer than the Windows machine. I have a feeling it might just be a driver issue. /Ole Does it show up at all or just doesn't mount? you may need to format as ext3 if it doesnt mount. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: 4 GB SD flash card does not work
Giles Jones wrote: On 5 Sep 2007, at 22:27, Ole Tange wrote: I just got a 4 GB SD flash card. It seems this does not work. It may just be this model though. SanDisk 4GB microSDHC 07190023400ZC So if you try it out with a 4GB card, try to get another one. In a SD adapter it works in a computer running Microsoft Windows. It does not work in my 2 cameras and also not in a Linux machine that is newer than the Windows machine. I have a feeling it might just be a driver issue. /Ole Does it show up at all or just doesn't mount? you may need to format as ext3 if it doesnt mount. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community Sorry for getting off-topic but I was just wondering if the Neo is able to handle any capacity of microSD / microSDHC memory Cards? (hardware-side spoken..) I assume capacity shouldn't be the problem on the side of software, right? Or are there some problems employing some newer cards (6GB, 8GB coming soon) ? Thanks in advance.. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Two finger input methods (new versions)
Thanks Morten Lysgaard for letting me on the Finger Keyboard project. Files is now in subversion. Changes include: All program have now a short explanation in the textaria. key2key: https://svn.projects.openmoko.org/svnroot/finger-keyboard/key2key/trunc/ key2key.py - Try to make the slow update less intrusive if You know what keys to tap/drag to, curios on how this feels on the neo, please report. Include Henryk Plötz fix for python 2.5. keyscroll.py A test where all keyboard 'pages' is rendered and shown one at the time in a viewport. Probably won't be faster then this with stock gtk buttons and labels??? The extra page use pixbuf to compare sped with labels. Needs targ.xpm. Speed reports from the neo are welcome. octakey (new name for old keys.py): https://svn.projects.openmoko.org/svnroot/finger-keyboard/octakey/trunc/ Fixed to hopefully render more sane on the neo. Will not spam here any more. If Your interested, follow the project: http://projects.openmoko.org/projects/finger-keyboard/ Major updates will be announced in project news or forum. You are welcome to hack. And... Yes... not *so* important now, but assuming this is a real keyboard implementation. What license is best... LGPL or GPL... Do anything but the OS/standard lib need to link to the keyboard? /LaH ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Making GPRS/pppd connection.
Hi Community. Did anyone make successful GPRS connection according to the wiki? I got some errors after a few first AT commands. Enabling debug with pppd debug call gprs pppd shows series of lines [LCP ConfReq id=0x1 asyncmap 0x0 magic 0x309ee493 pcomp accomp] and then tcsetattr: Invalid argument (line 964) pppd hangups and no connections is made. I tried to stop gsmd, restart gsmd, kill dialer and other software which might be disturbing gsm but no success. I have a card with pin checking but I added AT+CPIN? AT+CPIN=mypin and it works elsewhere correcly. Minor information is that I'm using Orange PL (polish) sim card. I didn't try other cards. Does anybody know how to run this machinery? Please help. -- *Bartlomiej Zdanowski* Programmer Product Research Development Department AutoGuard S.A. Place of registration: Regional Court for the Capital City of Warsaw Registration no.: 287629 Share capital: 1 059 000 PLN Polish VAT and tax ID no.: PL1132219747 Omulewska 27 street 04-128 Warsaw Poland phone +48 22 611 69 23 www.autoguard.pl http://www.autoguard.pl ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
