Re: qtopia update
On Tue, 02 Sep 2008 10:41:14 +1000 Lorn Potter [EMAIL PROTECTED] (LP) wrote: Vince M. Clark wrote: Lorn - this is great, thanks. Any idea when a 4.4 version will be released? Yes, but I cannot say. soon... do you know if the following issue has been resolved? When I start a call with the headset, Headphones is in the Options menu, but as soon as I plug the headset in, it disappears. yes, something is hooked up backwards. Packages from OM feeds still contain this bug. Thank you -- Petr Vaněk http://biodynamika.cz ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: specific absorption rate
On Tuesday 02 September 2008 15:51:00 Robin Paulson wrote: i was looking through planet earlier, when i saw this blogpost, which i'm sure others of you have read: http://blogs.thehumanjourney.net/finds/entry/20080901 i gather it's a report on the effects of emitted radiation when the freerunner is used near to a person's body. is there anyone here who understands these things. would it be possible to explain what this means, in a more condensed terms and understandable way? i'm not looking for 'The Idiot's Guide to Mobile Phone Radiation', or anything like that, but something a bit simpler to understand. I'm sure there are others here who would be interested to here this too I don't know the specifics now but I looked into it years ago. The end result was that any mobile with an internal antenna is more damaging to human cells than one with an external antenna. The theory being that the transmission is taking place further away from your body. The only use I can see for the findings is to compare existing antenna models to pick the lowest value. From memory the motorola startac, like 7 years after it's release, was still the lowest. Ericsson tended to have the higher values with nokia falling somewhere in between. The way I see it is, there is a required/acceptable amount of power required to reach the nearest tower. Anything lower would be unacceptable and the findings then fall on the antenna design. Currently nearly all phones omit an antenna and therefore increase the SAR (and decrease the signal quality). I admit, I've never understood why an antenna like the startac's han't been included in newer phones. It did retract after all. The alternative these days is to use a headset/ear piece (and probably leave the phone near other important parts of you body!). The overall effect is that nearly all current mobile phones have a similar SAR, as far as I can tell anyway (give or take, usually based on the design of the internal antenna). It's been a while so thing may have changed ... Sarton ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: specific absorption rate
i was looking through planet earlier, when i saw this blogpost, which i'm sure others of you have read: http://blogs.thehumanjourney.net/finds/entry/20080901 The Neo FreeRunner SAR tests at 1.07 W/kg GSM and 1.17 W/kg DCS. I would say that's average, on the high side. The legal limit 1.6 W/kg in the US, 2 W/kg in the EU, and really few on the market get below 0.3. I guess that having a setting to limit the radiations emissions at the expense of radio sensitivity would be a Good Thing. Open Source choice is better for your health. That's has a different convincing power than `you can choose whichever keyboard you like', yes ? Minh ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Debian touchscreen (pointercal) help
I have debian installed on the freerunner and have installed xorg (along with xfce4 and gdm) and xserver-xorg-input-tslib but cannot get the touchscreen calibrated. I have tried both options from the manual debian wiki but have had no luck. It seems to use only the top left of the screen (about a 1/3rd) . Any help would be appreciated. Regards, Tim ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Flashing Om2008.8 rootfs under Windows is *LONG*
On Tue, Sep 2, 2008 at 8:55 AM, Andrew Chu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks for the feedback that the dfu-util for Win32 is that much slower on Vista. I wasn't aware of that. The changes I made to the dfu-util source code were minimal but they could use a code review (I've posted the diff below). On Windows XP, I've never had to wait more than 20 minutes to flash the rootfs so the issue might be related to Windows Vista, or LibUSB-Win32 on Vista, but unfortunately, I do not have Windows Vista so I cannot debug. If anyone has the same issue on Windows XP, I would like to hear about it. I'm using Windows XP with 512 MB RAM on my laptop. rootfs flashing takes between 1-2 hours IIRC. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: OM2008.8, sound not working after resume from suspend
On Tue, Sep 2, 2008 at 6:55 AM, Sarton O'Brien [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: Errr ... isn't that what I said? I have suspend disabled and blanking set to 60 seconds. My FR never suspends and it blanks after 60 secs. This is the case when locked or not. If you indeed have the facilities I do, then you just aren't configuring it correctly. Or am I missing something? Is this not what you were after? I'm talking about the aux button, which locks the screen. I understand that disabling suspend will help get rid of the no-sound-post-resume problem. What I am after is a way to lock the screen with the aux button first, and allow it to blank automatically after 5,10,30 or 60 seconds. It should not light up without pressing the aux button again - in this way, you can keep it in your pocket without resorting to suspend and losing sound after resume. I don't know if there is a way to do this after recent updates, so I'll un-mothball the moko and try, and post my experience again. HTH. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Flashing Om2008.8 rootfs under Windows is *LONG*
Nishit Dave wrote: On Tue, Sep 2, 2008 at 8:55 AM, Andrew Chu [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks for the feedback that the dfu-util for Win32 is that much slower on Vista. I wasn't aware of that. The changes I made to the dfu-util source code were minimal but they could use a code review (I've posted the diff below). On Windows XP, I've never had to wait more than 20 minutes to flash the rootfs so the issue might be related to Windows Vista, or LibUSB-Win32 on Vista, but unfortunately, I do not have Windows Vista so I cannot debug. If anyone has the same issue on Windows XP, I would like to hear about it. I'm using Windows XP with 512 MB RAM on my laptop. rootfs flashing takes between 1-2 hours IIRC. Hello Andrew, Just for completeness, my system is an Intel double core with 2GB RAM and Vista. Flashing takes also between 1 and 2 hours. I'll try your patch if I manage to install a mingw environment. Or, if you have it compiled, I'd gladly avoid this installation :-) Abdel. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Please split this list!
On 1 Sep 2008, at 16:35, arne anka wrote: There was some discussion about the mailing lists a couple of months ago - ... Openmoko ... redefined the purpose of the device-owners list, renaming it to support at the same time... ... the change from device-owners to support was proposed and took place because sensible: the list was created for the few that owned already an fr to discuss support questions -- for people w/o neo/fr it was of rather platonic interest. after switching to mass market and the subsequent increase of owners the name seemed not longer appropriate. Irrespective of who did it whether it was discussed or not, we still have loads of support-type questions (How do I do this? I changed the following config file but still...) on community. The volume just makes it unmanageable, IMO. People keep saying filter it on the client side, but how the heck does one do that? If we have multiple lists those who wish can subscribe to all of them and filter them into one folder, those that don't, don't. It seems simply a matter of choice to me, and multiple lists ADD choice, a fewer lists removes it. Stroller. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
SV: specific absorption rate
Hello guys. I just read a list of cell phones and their radiation levels. The worst phones were: Modell: SAR Sony Ericsson T650 1,80 Sony Ericsson W880 1,45 Sony Ericsson Z1010 1,41 Sony Ericsson W950 1,35 Motorola SLVR L61,33 The best models were: Modell: SAR LG Chocolate KG800 0,12 Samsung SGH-X8300,12 Motorola MPx200 0,12 LG KG2450,12 LG KG320S 0,13 These values are from a Swedish magazine. Regards, Jörgen Lidholm -Ursprungligt meddelande- Från: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:community- [EMAIL PROTECTED] För [EMAIL PROTECTED] Skickat: den 2 september 2008 08:26 Till: List for Openmoko community discussion Ämne: Re: specific absorption rate i was looking through planet earlier, when i saw this blogpost, which i'm sure others of you have read: http://blogs.thehumanjourney.net/finds/entry/20080901 The Neo FreeRunner SAR tests at 1.07 W/kg GSM and 1.17 W/kg DCS. I would say that's average, on the high side. The legal limit 1.6 W/kg in the US, 2 W/kg in the EU, and really few on the market get below 0.3. I guess that having a setting to limit the radiations emissions at the expense of radio sensitivity would be a Good Thing. Open Source choice is better for your health. That's has a different convincing power than `you can choose whichever keyboard you like', yes ? Minh ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community, ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Debian touchscreen (pointercal) help
Have you tried xserver-xorg-input-tslib and pointercal from http://lists.openmoko.org/nabble.html#nabble-td677811 to use? Greetings, Johannes 2008/9/2 Tim Erwin [EMAIL PROTECTED] I have debian installed on the freerunner and have installed xorg (along with xfce4 and gdm) and xserver-xorg-input-tslib but cannot get the touchscreen calibrated. I have tried both options from the manual debian wiki but have had no luck. It seems to use only the top left of the screen (about a 1/3rd) . Any help would be appreciated. Regards, Tim ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Qtopia WIFI WPA
Abdelrazak Younes wrote: I managed to find to find settings for WPA PSK TKIP, I put there my ssid and password. But still no luck... I am confused about the relationship between scanned WiFi network were my network appears and the place where I configured the network properties... These settings do not seem connected... weird user interface in any case. It seems that my problem stems from the fact that I did not configure the WLAN properly when I first created it (AFAIU from the inline help). Problem is that it is now impossible to modify it nor delete it! So I can restart the WLAN configuration process... Anybody knows where these settings are stored so that I can erase them by hand at the terminal? I'd rather do that than reflashing again... Abdel. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Qtopia WIFI WPA
On Fri, 22 Aug 2008, Clemens Kirchgatterer wrote: Matthew Lane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i have currently 4.3.2 installed but don't seem to be able to connect to my open accesspoint. i had no trouble with 2007.2 doing so. i see getting a dhcp lease but can't manage to connect to the qtopia.net package feed. i even can't ping the FR from my desktop. are there still known issues? I just tried to connect to an open network at lunch (which I have previously connected to on 2007.2) and couldn't get past Unavailable qtopia tells me my connection is up and i am connected. but no indication of any data Xfer. :-( Sounds very much like my issue that I had with wifi. Running iwconfig eth0 power off fixed it -- but that's still with 2007.2. Perhaps there is something wrong with wifi power saving in the driver? regards, Derick -- HEAD before 5_3!: http://tinyurl.com/6d2esb http://derickrethans.nl | http://ezcomponents.org | http://xdebug.org ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Qtopia WIFI WPA
Abdelrazak Younes wrote: Abdelrazak Younes wrote: I managed to find to find settings for WPA PSK TKIP, I put there my ssid and password. But still no luck... I am confused about the relationship between scanned WiFi network were my network appears and the place where I configured the network properties... These settings do not seem connected... weird user interface in any case. It seems that my problem stems from the fact that I did not configure the WLAN properly when I first created it (AFAIU from the inline help). Problem is that it is now impossible to modify it nor delete it! So I can restart the WLAN configuration process... Anybody knows where these settings are stored so that I can erase them by hand at the terminal? I'd rather do that than reflashing again... OK, nerver mind, found it... [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# grep -r Wireless * Applications/Network/config/wlan0.conf:Name=Wireless LAN Applications/Network/config/wlan0.conf:Name%5B%5D=Wireless LAN Applications/Network/config/wlan0.conf:[WirelessNetworks] Applications/Network/config/wlan0.conf:1\WirelessKey_1= Applications/Network/config/wlan0.conf:1\WirelessKey_2= Applications/Network/config/wlan0.conf:1\WirelessKey_3= Applications/Network/config/wlan0.conf:1\WirelessKey_4= Applications/Network/config/wlan0.conf:1\WirelessMode=Managed Maybe this can help someone else :-) Abdel. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Fennec on Openmoko
On Tue, Sep 02, 2008 at 05:55:39AM +0200, Marco Trevisan (Treviño) wrote: Btw to me the debian version is likely the one there's in the repo except for the annoying top banner that warnings me that I'm using a superuser account (eh, I know it!). This is something that's bugging me for some time. What are the reasons to login with the root user? By analysis of the reasons, maybe workarounds can be made, improving things. Rui -- P'tang! Today is Setting Orange, the 26th day of Bureaucracy in the YOLD 3174 + No matter how much you do, you never do enough -- unknown + Whatever you do will be insignificant, | but it is very important that you do it -- Gandhi + So let's do it...? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: specific absorption rate
2008/9/2 Sarton O'Brien [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I don't know the specifics now but I looked into it years ago. The end result was that any mobile with an internal antenna is more damaging to human cells than one with an external antenna. The theory being that the transmission is taking place further away from your body. The only use I can see for the findings is to compare existing antenna models to pick the lowest value. From memory the motorola startac, like 7 years after it's release, was still the lowest. Ericsson tended to have the higher values with nokia falling somewhere in between. The way I see it is, there is a required/acceptable amount of power required to reach the nearest tower. Anything lower would be unacceptable and the findings then fall on the antenna design. is the relationship as simple as: increase the antenna size, decrease the radiation? could an external antenna help increase battery life also? is this something we can choose ourselves, or are there particular requirements we should be aware of? Currently nearly all phones omit an antenna and therefore increase the SAR (and decrease the signal quality). I admit, I've never understood why an antenna like the startac's han't been included in newer phones. It did retract the public values compactness over safety? after all. The alternative these days is to use a headset/ear piece (and probably leave the phone near other important parts of you body!). someone suggested this was a bad idea, cos you're plugging the antenna straight into the side of your head, actually making things worse The overall effect is that nearly all current mobile phones have a similar SAR, as far as I can tell anyway (give or take, usually based on the design of the internal antenna). It's been a while so thing may have changed ... ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Openmoko Images
Hello all, I was wondering what would be the best set of images to flash to the Neo1973 for a bluetooth/sound project I am working on. (I need to make sure that I can TX/RX audio to a bt headset). There have been quite a few changes to the images lately (along with buildhost, etc), and I haven't been able to keep up with them all...but I need workable image for the prototype which has to be demonstrated on Wednesday. Thanks! -Kyle ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Qtopia WIFI WPA
Abdelrazak Younes wrote: Abdelrazak Younes wrote: Abdelrazak Younes wrote: I managed to find to find settings for WPA PSK TKIP, I put there my ssid and password. But still no luck... I am confused about the relationship between scanned WiFi network were my network appears and the place where I configured the network properties... These settings do not seem connected... weird user interface in any case. It seems that my problem stems from the fact that I did not configure the WLAN properly when I first created it (AFAIU from the inline help). Problem is that it is now impossible to modify it nor delete it! So I can restart the WLAN configuration process... Anybody knows where these settings are stored so that I can erase them by hand at the terminal? I'd rather do that than reflashing again... OK, nerver mind, found it... [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# grep -r Wireless * Applications/Network/config/wlan0.conf:Name=Wireless LAN OK, I erased that file, recreated the wlan settings properly following the help; my wlan is detected after the scan, I click on it so that is alone on the priority list. I click on 'option-connect' but it stays in 'not connected' state. And of course the previous screen stays in 'pending' state... My Wifi uses WPA-PSK with TKIP which is supposedly supported by Qtopia. Anyone has an idea of what could be wrong or how I can analyse that? Thanks in advance, Abdel. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: specific absorption rate
2008/9/2 Robin Paulson [EMAIL PROTECTED]: is the relationship as simple as: increase the antenna size, decrease the radiation? could an external antenna help increase battery life also? is this something we can choose ourselves, or are there particular requirements we should be aware of? http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/External_GSM_Antenna ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Qtopia WIFI WPA
Hi, On Tue, Sep 2, 2008 at 9:56 AM, Abdelrazak Younes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anyone has an idea of what could be wrong or how I can analyse that? Try the suggested iwconfig eth0 power off. Christ van Willegen (also WiFi-less) -- 09 F9 11 02 9D 74 E3 5B D8 41 56 C5 63 56 88 C0 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Wiki page views
Dear community: I had updated the Google analytic report numbers of August for wiki . If you want to know the detail , please check following link : http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Wiki_statistic_numbers Or you want to get other report , you can mail me. Brenda ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
locking touchscreen
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 moinmoin sometimes i just want to lock the screen like on my se-w810i - a simple keypad-lock. a way that just came to my mind could be to tell the kernel - maybe via sysfs - to suppress data coming out of the corresponding /dev/ input/event1. would that be a) possible (andy?) and b) desired (community?) regards, morlac - -BEGIN CONTACT BLOCK- eMail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - --END CONTACT BLOCK-- - -BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK- Version: 3.1 GCS$/IT;d-;s:;a?;C++(+++);UL;P++(+++); L++(+++);E---;W++;N(+);o?;K?;!w;!O;!M+;!V;PS(+);PE; Y+;PGP++;t+(++);5(+)++;X(+);R*;tv-+;b++(+++);DI++; D++(+++);G(+)++;e;h-()++;r++;y++; - --END GEEK CODE BLOCK-- -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (Darwin) iD8DBQFIvPhfr81gVylJyzERAmQMAJ9ZEubgK4qHyt8v737DiiI3JRtQ5gCg2Qp+ GpQUNf/WZSMcqiDdxI7ehGY= =nHAK -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Flashing Om2008.8 rootfs under Windows is *LONG*
Nishit Dave wrote: I'm using Windows XP with 512 MB RAM on my laptop. rootfs flashing takes between 1-2 hours IIRC. I'm using Windows XP with 1280 MB RAM on my laptop (Centrino 1.7 GHz). rootfs flashing takes 1h15 . ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: locking touchscreen
On Tue, September 2, 2008 6:25 pm, Christian Adams wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 moinmoin sometimes i just want to lock the screen like on my se-w810i - a simple keypad-lock. a way that just came to my mind could be to tell the kernel - maybe via sysfs - to suppress data coming out of the corresponding /dev/ input/event1. would that be a) possible (andy?) and b) desired (community?) Me too. The way to do this is to open /dev/input/event1 and issue the EVIOCGRAB ioctl. However there is currently a patch in the openmoko kernel which modifies EVIOCGRAB in such a way that it is no longer useful for this purpose. Before we can remove that patch, we need to fix tslib to so that it doesn't use EVIOCGRAB in a way that depends on the kernel patch. The fix for tslib is in the process of being committed to the openmoko source tree (it is in some 'devel' tree but not in 'stable' yet, though I almost certainly have those names wrong). Once that has propagated reasonably, I will be asking Andy to remove the EVIOCGRAB-modification patch from the kernel. And once that it done, we can try use EVIOCGRAB to steal all events from the touchscreen. Simple! NeilBrown ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Preventing opkg upgrade from flashing the kernel partition
I do want opkg to update the kernel, but I don't want it to touch NAND, because my system is on the SD card. i would expect opkg to update the kernel in /boot -- if you boot from sd it should be the kernel /boot on your sd, if you boot from nand it should be nand. how did you design your system? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Qtopia WIFI WPA
Christ van Willegen wrote: Hi, On Tue, Sep 2, 2008 at 9:56 AM, Abdelrazak Younes[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anyone has an idea of what could be wrong or how I can analyse that? Try the suggested iwconfig eth0 power off. I did that. And I tried to connect again; still no luck :-/ Christ van Willegen (also WiFi-less) Welcome to the club! :-) Abdel. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: qtopia update
Thanks a lot for the update and the info on qtopia 4.4. rgds daniel ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Debian touchscreen (pointercal) help
Hi, Am Dienstag, den 02.09.2008, 16:52 +1000 schrieb Tim Erwin: I have debian installed on the freerunner and have installed xorg (along with xfce4 and gdm) and xserver-xorg-input-tslib but cannot get the touchscreen calibrated. I have tried both options from the manual debian wiki but have had no luck. It seems to use only the top left of the screen (about a 1/3rd) . Any help would be appreciated. Did you install Debian using the official installer script? It comes with a calibration file that should work... If you lost it, it’s this file: http://pkg-fso.alioth.debian.org/freerunner/pointercal-fso Greetings, Joachim -- Joachim nomeata Breitner Debian Developer [EMAIL PROTECTED] | ICQ# 74513189 | GPG-Keyid: 4743206C JID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://people.debian.org/~nomeata signature.asc Description: Dies ist ein digital signierter Nachrichtenteil ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: How to change the GTK theme on 2008.8 update
Am Dienstag, 2. September 2008 schrieb Marco Trevisan (Treviño): Natanael Arndt wrote: Hallo, in the early versions of 2007 there where these nice png grafics on the gtk buttons, but later they has been removed, because it was to slow. Now in 2008 there is again this slow and nice gtk theme, how can i change this to the faster one? opkg install http://downloads.openmoko.org/repository/Om2007.2/armv4t/moko-gtk-engine_0. 1.0+svnr4411-r0_armv4t.ipk http://downloads.openmoko.org/repository/Om2007.2/armv4t/moko-gtk-theme_0.1 .0+svnr4411-r0_armv4t.ipk I don't really know why they're not so update in 2008.8! Cool, thankyou. Could somebody responsible for the repository put this in there, please? be blessed Natanael -- Web: http://natanael.comiles.eu E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jabber/XMPP: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 168210209 Skype: white_gecko ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Flashing Om2008.8 rootfs under Windows is *LONG*
Laptop / winXP SP2 i just need 10 minutes and i think this is normal for 60MB via usb 1.0 yves mahe schrieb: Nishit Dave wrote: I'm using Windows XP with 512 MB RAM on my laptop. rootfs flashing takes between 1-2 hours IIRC. I'm using Windows XP with 1280 MB RAM on my laptop (Centrino 1.7 GHz). rootfs flashing takes 1h15 . ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Flashing Om2008.8 rootfs under Windows is *LONG*
Benedikt Schindler wrote: Laptop / winXP SP2 i just need 10 minutes and i think this is normal for 60MB via usb 1.0 Usb 1.1 can offer up to 1.5 MB/s so ideally 60MB should be transferred in 40 seconds. This is of course not counting the memory writing on the flash memory which could be slow. But 10 minutes looks also slow to me. Now imagine 2 hours... ;-) Abdel. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: testing 20080901 first steps to 2008.09??
It is a daily snapshot of the base / empty image. The fact that it is empy is not a bug but a feature. You should install your applications of choice, e.g. keyboard: illume/qtopia/dasher/$whatever_you_come_up_with, phone apps: GTK, Qtopia, FSO, $whatever I installed the empty image last night and tried to make it useful by installing qtopia-x11-phone packages and it's dependencies into it but i must have missed something because some glue between the dialer and gsm modem is missing. I was hoping it would come through dependencies. Also the message application didn't show up although i installed what i thought would be useful. Could someone point out the right packages to me please, or look at what am i missing? opkg list_installed attached. thank you -- Petr Vaněk alsa-conf-base - 1.0.15-1 - alsa-state - 0.1.0-r19 - alsa-utils-alsactl - 1.0.15-r1 - alsa-utils-alsamixer - 1.0.15-r1 - angstrom-version - 1:-20080901-r1 - apm - 3.2.2-r11.01 - apmd - 3.2.2-r11.01 - app-restarter - 2:1.0+svnr4552-r0 - assassin - 0.2+svnr225-r6.04 - assassin-thumbnail - 0.1+svnr4587-r0 - atd - 0.70-r4 - avahi-autoipd - 0.6.22-r8 - avahi-daemon - 0.6.22-r8 - base-files - 3.0.14-r79 - base-passwd - 3.5.9-r3 - bash - 3.2-r7 - blueprobe - 0.18-r4 - bluez-utils - 3.33-r1 - bluez-utils-compat - 3.33-r1 - busybox - 1.11.1-r2 - bzip2 - 1.0.2-r1 - connman - 1:0.0+gitr0+f9f84ccfa0cd338e2de22878f277352436570b83-r4 - connman-plugin-connman-80211 - 1:0.0+gitr0+f9f84ccfa0cd338e2de22878f277352436570b83-r4 - connman-plugin-connman-dhclient - 1:0.0+gitr0+f9f84ccfa0cd338e2de22878f277352436570b83-r4 - connman-plugin-connman-resolvconf - 1:0.0+gitr0+f9f84ccfa0cd338e2de22878f277352436570b83-r4 - connman-script-dhclient - 1:0.0+gitr0+f9f84ccfa0cd338e2de22878f277352436570b83-r4 - curl-certs - 7.18.2-r0 - dbus-1 - 1.2.1-r3 - dhcp-client - 3.0.2-r6 - distro-feed-configs - 1.0-r0.01 - dropbear - 0.51-r1 - e-wm - 0.16.999.043+svnr35661-r12 - e2fsprogs - 1.38-r13 - e2fsprogs-badblocks - 1.38-r13 - e2fsprogs-blkid - 1.38-r13 - e2fsprogs-e2fsck - 1.38-r13 - e2fsprogs-mke2fs - 1.38-r13 - e2fsprogs-uuidgen - 1.38-r13 - etk-theme-ninja - 0.0.1+svnr5-r1 - exquisite - 0.0.1+svnr35661-r3 - exquisite-theme-freerunner - 1.0-r1 - exquisite-themes - 0.0.1+svnr35661-r3 - fbset - 2.1-r2 - fbset-modes - 0.1.0-r3 - file - 4.21-r0 - font-update-common - 0.1-r0 - gconf-dbus - 2.16.0+svnr641-r0 - gdk-pixbuf-loader-gif - 2.12.11-r3 - gdk-pixbuf-loader-jpeg - 2.12.11-r3 - gdk-pixbuf-loader-png - 2.12.11-r3 - gdk-pixbuf-loader-xpm - 2.12.11-r3 - glibc-gconv - 2.6.1-r11 - glibc-gconv-iso8859-1 - 2.6.1-r11 - gnupg - 1.4.2.2-r2 - gsm0710muxd - 0.9.1+gitr1+3ff86b129640b647ccba3d86eb243d864671b039-r0 - gst-meta-audio - 0.10-r10 - gst-meta-base - 0.10-r10 - gst-plugin-alsa - 0.10.17-r3 - gst-plugin-audioconvert - 0.10.17-r3 - gst-plugin-audioresample - 0.10.17-r3 - gst-plugin-autodetect - 0.10.7-r2 - gst-plugin-decodebin - 0.10.17-r3 - gst-plugin-ffmpegcolorspace - 0.10.17-r3 - gst-plugin-id3demux - 0.10.7-r2 - gst-plugin-ivorbis - 0.10.6-r0 - gst-plugin-mad - 0.10.7-r0 - gst-plugin-ogg - 0.10.17-r3 - gst-plugin-playbin - 0.10.17-r3 - gst-plugin-typefindfunctions - 0.10.17-r3 - gst-plugin-videorate - 0.10.17-r3 - gst-plugin-videoscale - 0.10.17-r3 - gst-plugin-volume - 0.10.17-r3 - gst-plugin-wavparse - 0.10.7-r2 - gst-plugin-ximagesink - 0.10.17-r3 - gst-plugins-base - 0.10.17-r3 - gst-plugins-ugly - 0.10.7-r0 - gstreamer - 0.10.17-r2 - gtk+ - 2.12.11-r3 - hal - 0.5.9-r8 - hal-info - 20070618-r0 - hdparm - 6.9-r0 - illume - 0.0+svnr35693-r13 - illume-config-asu - 0.0+svnr35693-r13 - illume-config-illume - 0.0+svnr35693-r13 - illume-dicts-english-us - 0.0+svnr35693-r13 - illume-keyboards-default - 0.0+svnr35693-r13 - illume-keyboards-numbers - 0.0+svnr35693-r13 - illume-keyboards-terminal - 0.0+svnr35693-r13 - illume-theme-asu - 0.0+svnr35693-r7 - illume-theme-freesmartphone - 0.0+gitr0+da904c73236ced2b04c272af5178eab4d66f144d-r2 - initscripts - 1.0-r107.04 - kernel - 2:2.6.24+git45+241f69c55ee8f5dd067ebd2d51aa9fdedb212759-r2 - kernel-2.6.24 - 2:2.6.24+git45+241f69c55ee8f5dd067ebd2d51aa9fdedb212759-r2 - kernel-image-2.6.24 - 2:2.6.24+git45+241f69c55ee8f5dd067ebd2d51aa9fdedb212759-r2 - kernel-module-aes-generic - 2:2.6.24+git45+241f69c55ee8f5dd067ebd2d51aa9fdedb212759-r2 - kernel-module-af-key - 2:2.6.24+git45+241f69c55ee8f5dd067ebd2d51aa9fdedb212759-r2 - kernel-module-ah4 - 2:2.6.24+git45+241f69c55ee8f5dd067ebd2d51aa9fdedb212759-r2 - kernel-module-ah6 - 2:2.6.24+git45+241f69c55ee8f5dd067ebd2d51aa9fdedb212759-r2 - kernel-module-aircable - 2:2.6.24+git45+241f69c55ee8f5dd067ebd2d51aa9fdedb212759-r2 - kernel-module-airprime - 2:2.6.24+git45+241f69c55ee8f5dd067ebd2d51aa9fdedb212759-r2 - kernel-module-anubis - 2:2.6.24+git45+241f69c55ee8f5dd067ebd2d51aa9fdedb212759-r2 - kernel-module-arc4 - 2:2.6.24+git45+241f69c55ee8f5dd067ebd2d51aa9fdedb212759-r2 - kernel-module-ark3116
Re: Navit patch for faster map dragging
Is your patch surrently in the svn version integrated or do we still need to patch the sourcecode with this? If it is not integrated, wouldn't it be good to send this patch to the author so he could integrate it? I use debian on my neo and use the svn version to compile it myself instead of using your ipk version (which i had to unpack for using with debian). But i have no success in patching the actual version with your patch anymore. :/ Ciao, Rainer Florian Hackenberger wrote: Thanks for identifying the relevant methods. I modified my patch and updated the ipk files on my server. I could not identify any negative impact on speed though. It seems to work just fine, panning feels a lot smoother compared to the previous version. Cheers, Florian ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
[EMAIL PROTECTED] apmd again
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 moinmoin i just discovered something i actually can't explain to myself: (i do the sd_idleclk-trick in /etc/apm - scripts) when apmd is running while i invoke 'apm -s' i get the following in dmesg: - snip Syncing filesystems ... done. PM: Preparing system for mem sleep - snap but the system doen't suspend completely - only X freezes but ssh-ing still works when i now call 'invoke-rd.d apmd stop' the system suspends and resumes on power-button and in dmesg it continues as following (i think the 'error' is shown with the 'Can't switch VCs'-part - this doesn't occur when apmd isn't running at all): - snip Suspend: Can't switch VCs.Freezing user space processes ... (elapsed 0.02 seconds) done. Freezing remaining freezable tasks ... (elapsed 0.00 seconds) done. PM: Entering mem sleep Suspending console(s) pcf50633 0-0073: pcf50633_suspend glamo-mci glamo-mci.0: faking cmd 7 during suspend mmc_set_power(power_mode=0, vdd=0 glamo-mci glamo-mci.0: glamo_mci_set_ios: power down. gta02_udc_command(2) suspending dma channel 0 suspending dma channel 1 suspending dma channel 2 suspending dma channel 3 GSTATUS3 0x30364084 GSTATUS4 0x0200 s3c2440-i2c s3c2440-i2c: slave address 0x10 s3c2440-i2c s3c2440-i2c: bus frequency set to 390 KHz gta02_udc_command(1) s3c2440-nand s3c2440-nand: Tacls=3, 30ns Twrph0=7 70ns, Twrph1=3 30ns not changing prescaler of PWM 3, since it's shared with timer4 (clock tick) timer_usec_ticks = 7864 timer tcon=00599109, tcnt a2c1, tcfg 0200,2000, usec 1eb8 mmc_set_power(power_mode=1, vdd=20 SD power - 3200mV glamo-mci glamo-mci.0: powered (vdd = 20) clk: 0kHz div=255 (req: 0kHz). Bus width=0 glamo-mci glamo-mci.0: powered (vdd = 20) clk: 195kHz div=255 (req: 195kHz). Bus width=0 glamo-mci glamo-mci.0: powered (vdd = 20) clk: 195kHz div=255 (req: 195kHz). Bus width=0 glamo-mci glamo-mci.0: powered (vdd = 20) clk: 195kHz div=255 (req: 195kHz). Bus width=0 glamo-mci glamo-mci.0: powered (vdd = 20) clk: 195kHz div=255 (req: 195kHz). Bus width=0 glamo-mci glamo-mci.0: powered (vdd = 20) clk: 195kHz div=255 (req: 195kHz). Bus width=0 glamo-mci glamo-mci.0: powered (vdd = 20) clk: 1kHz div=2 (req: 1kHz). Bus width=0 glamo-mci glamo-mci.0: powered (vdd = 20) clk: 1kHz div=2 (req: 1kHz). Bus width=2 soc-audio soc-audio: scheduling resume work PM: Finishing wakeup. Restarting tasks ... 6soc-audio soc-audio: starting resume work done. soc-audio soc-audio: resume work completed - snap regards, morlac - -BEGIN CONTACT BLOCK- eMail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - --END CONTACT BLOCK-- - -BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK- Version: 3.1 GCS$/IT;d-;s:;a?;C++(+++);UL;P++(+++); L++(+++);E---;W++;N(+);o?;K?;!w;!O;!M+;!V;PS(+);PE; Y+;PGP++;t+(++);5(+)++;X(+);R*;tv-+;b++(+++);DI++; D++(+++);G(+)++;e;h-()++;r++;y++; - --END GEEK CODE BLOCK-- -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (Darwin) iD8DBQFIvRqLr81gVylJyzERAnNUAKCAuEQz6J4NQpNhBy9BkYKfV0Yl6ACfW3UM 1RvvJA/LY0NhdGQi/FwQBNw= =LFyn -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: qtopia update
Ok, flashed the image 2 hours ago and did my first tests. And i have to admit, this is by far the best image, in terms of phone usability, my freerunner has seen so far ^^ 1. Perfect suspend/resume behavior. No crashes or sleep forever conditions so far. 2. Echo almost gone completely while still having loud voice. (Just a very short echo when the other person stops speaking, like the last letter of the last word) 3. No buzz at all, but i also had very few problems with this on the other images. Only 2 real issues found so far: 1. Every time i receive a call, after answering it, the phone immediately shows another incoming call from the same person. This doesn't interrupt the active call and 2 seconds later turns into an unanswered call. The hangup button of the phonegui stays at Answer. So i have to do Options - End to hang up. On the other phone you hear the dialtone again for about 1 sec immediately after answering the call on the FR. Maybe this has something to do with that. 2. No Network Searching for Network messages still appear quite often although the Network is up and FR can receiver calls and sms. Bot things are not really bad and don't really harm functionality. Maybe interesting too: Echo suppression didn't work on the first call after booting into QTopia the first time. Echo was still there as before. On the next call (maybe after the first suspend?) the echo was gone. I'll do more tests on that in the evening. Hope i can reproduce that. Interestingly Florian Hackenbergers patch for 2008.08 didn't work for me at all. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Openmoko Images
On Tuesday 02 September 2008 09:56:49 Kyle Bassett wrote: I was wondering what would be the best set of images to flash to the Neo1973 for a bluetooth/sound project I am working on. (I need to make sure that I can TX/RX audio to a bt headset). I guess you mean A2DP audio streaming. Otherwise you could use the Headset or the Handsfree profile. They are probably a bit easier to set up but have poor audio quality since they are developed for voice transmissions and not for Music like A2DP. There have been quite a few changes to the images lately (along with buildhost, etc), and I haven't been able to keep up with them all...but I need workable image for the prototype which has to be demonstrated on Wednesday. Theoretically it should be possible to use any of the distros. Since Wednesday isn't that far away any more I'd suggest using 2007.2 because there is a HowTo on the Wiki and for thus obviously already anyone got it working. http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Manually_using_Bluetooth#A2DP_quickie Probably Debian would be a good choice either since most of the software is already ported to it, but given that there are currently severe sound problems I'd say time is too short for it. Good Luck ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
FreeRunner is not sleeping.
Hi to All, I just updated everything yesterday night... after that my openmoko doesn't sleep. When I go to the Settings app and select 10 / 30 / 60 seconds, it would just ignore it. Does anyone where I can change that? I really want it to sleep... -Orlando. -- --- ing. Javier O. Ramírez Martínez Key fingerprint = CBFD AEC9 E7F9 C726 03BF 3D85 7B9E 47A7 EB84 70D4 http://linux.mty.itesm.mx/~oramirez http://picasaweb.google.com/javier.ramirez ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: FreeRunner is not sleeping.
http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1928 - Gunnar Orlando wrote: Hi to All, I just updated everything yesterday night... after that my openmoko doesn't sleep. When I go to the Settings app and select 10 / 30 / 60 seconds, it would just ignore it. Does anyone where I can change that? I really want it to sleep... -Orlando. -- --- ing. Javier O. Ramírez Martínez Key fingerprint = CBFD AEC9 E7F9 C726 03BF 3D85 7B9E 47A7 EB84 70D4 http://linux.mty.itesm.mx/~oramirez http://picasaweb.google.com/javier.ramirez ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Gunnar Aastrand Grimnes gunnar.grimnes [AT] dfki.de DFKI GmbH Knowledge Management Trippstadter Strasse 122 D-67663 Kaiserslautern Germany Office: +49 631 205 75-117 Mobile: +49 177 277 4397 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: FreeRunner is not sleeping.
Hi there, e By sleep I meant suspend. After the upgrade I tried to configure the suspend mode to 10 / 30 / 60 seconds... none of them work... It keeps active all the time. Is there a workaround for this? The battery will finish really fast if It keeps like that. thanks in advance. Orlando. On Tue, Sep 2, 2008 at 6:39 AM, Orlando [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi to All, I just updated everything yesterday night... after that my openmoko doesn't sleep. When I go to the Settings app and select 10 / 30 / 60 seconds, it would just ignore it. Does anyone where I can change that? I really want it to sleep... -Orlando. -- --- ing. Javier O. Ramírez Martínez Key fingerprint = CBFD AEC9 E7F9 C726 03BF 3D85 7B9E 47A7 EB84 70D4 http://linux.mty.itesm.mx/~oramirezhttp://linux.mty.itesm.mx/%7Eoramirez http://picasaweb.google.com/javier.ramirez -- --- ing. Javier O. Ramírez Martínez Key fingerprint = CBFD AEC9 E7F9 C726 03BF 3D85 7B9E 47A7 EB84 70D4 http://linux.mty.itesm.mx/~oramirez http://picasaweb.google.com/javier.ramirez ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: FreeRunner is not sleeping.
what have you installed? 2007.2 2008.8 qtopia fso ? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Openmoko Images
I guess you mean A2DP audio streaming. Otherwise you could use the Headset or the Handsfree profile. They are probably a bit easier to set up but have poor audio quality since they are developed for voice transmissions and not for Music like A2DP. with the buzzing still unsolved that's at least a way to use a headset to make calls. how do i use headset/handsfree? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: qtopia update
Lorn Potter wrote: I have updated qtopia at qtopia.net Fixes include sms messages not retrieved after resume. Qtopia getting confused between two calls. Make default call volume down and mic up (only in flash update). Added echo fix. Hello Lorn, Could you give us a status about Wifi on the FR? (See my other thread). IOW shall I try harder to investigate or is this just not supported? Thanks in avance, Abdel. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: InvisibleShield discounts!
I used fc3rjw. I tried using the four that were on the wiki but all already used. I deleted the entries from the wiki. I'll add my two to the wiki if they come. Thanks community@lists.openmoko.org Richard. On 7/23/08, Bastian Feder [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ... and I got those two discount codes as well ;o) Here's a one-time-use code that you enter during checkout: xthjst , fc3rjw The discount will expire in 30 days. And as Iija mentioned before: Take them and use them wisely. (If you've used one, please write back to community there would be no discount code collision). hf Bastian -- spread the word ... see www.browsehappy.com ;o) Calvin: Weekends don't count unless you spend them doing something completely pointless. Join the Greater IBM Connection (http://www.xing.com/premiumgroup-6291.d26b7d) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Navit patch for faster map dragging
On Tuesday 02 September 2008, Fox Mulder wrote: Is your patch surrently in the svn version integrated or do we still need to patch the sourcecode with this? It's up to the OM developers to integrate my patch, I do not have SVN access. Could someone from OM please comment on that? Cheers, Florian -- DI Florian Hackenberger [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.hackenberger.at ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Navit patch for faster map dragging
2008/9/2 Florian Hackenberger [EMAIL PROTECTED]: It's up to the OM developers to integrate my patch, I do not have SVN access. Could someone from OM please comment on that? Surely it is up to the Navit developers to accept the patch, and I don't suppose they read this mailing list... Jeff ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: illume-config-illume on 2008.8-updates
Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote: On Mon, 01 Sep 2008 21:20:45 -0600 -stacy [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: David Samblas wrote: El lun, 01-09-2008 a las 11:35 -0600, -stacy escribió: what am I missing? go to the illume configuration select keyboard and change none to default Already done. With QTOPIA_NO_VIRTUAL_KEYBOARD=1 and illume configured keyboard set to none, there is no keyboard at all, I get a keyboard, just that it only has Default and Numbers layout, no Terminal (full qwerty). install the illume-keyboard-terminal package :) they are all recommended ones for illume. Quoted from my original message: # opkg list_installed | grep illume illume - 0.0+svnr35693-r13 - illume-config - 0.0+svnr35693-r13 - illume-config-illume - 0.0+svnr35693-r13 - illume-dicts-default - 0.0+svnr217-r12 - illume-dicts-english-us - 0.0+svnr35693-r13 - illume-keyboards-default - 0.0+svnr35693-r13 - illume-keyboards-numbers - 0.0+svnr35693-r13 - illume-keyboards-terminal - 0.0+svnr35693-r13 - illume-theme-freesmartphone - 0.0+gitr5cdedae0e45911ef10f6966587e7f3e842b5d2bd-r0 - since there was only a couple illume packages not installed (and I seem to be down to the shooting in the dark method of debugging) I tried: # opkg -force-overwrite install illume-config-asu # rm -rf ~/.e/e/config/illume # reboot no change... so I tried # opkg install illume-theme-asu Installing illume-theme-asu (0.0+svnr35693-r7) to root... Collected errors: * ERROR: The following packages conflict with illume-theme-asu: * illume-config * hmmm... guess I won't force that. Do I have to reflash this thing just to get a working keyboard? -stacy ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: FreeRunner is not sleeping.
2008.8 As I read ticket that Gunnar put on... I don't have Rasterman's image... I am using the stable one... -Orlando. On Tue, Sep 2, 2008 at 7:00 AM, arne anka [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: what have you installed? 2007.2 2008.8 qtopia fso ? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- --- ing. Javier O. Ramírez Martínez Key fingerprint = CBFD AEC9 E7F9 C726 03BF 3D85 7B9E 47A7 EB84 70D4 http://linux.mty.itesm.mx/~oramirez http://picasaweb.google.com/javier.ramirez ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Openmoko Images
On Tuesday 02 September 2008 14:02:01 arne anka wrote: with the buzzing still unsolved that's at least a way to use a headset to make calls. how do i use headset/handsfree? To be honest I do not have much experience with BlueZ. This is what I know: First of all, the BlueZ wiki page about audio: http://wiki.bluez.org/wiki/Audio Probably you will find some information here: http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_use_a_bluetooth_headset Some years ago I got it running on my PC using this guide (could be outdated): http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-238510-highlight-iscan.html If you combine the above information with the following you will be probably able to get your Bluetooth Headset working: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Manually_using_Bluetooth Good Luck Michael ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: How to change the GTK theme on 2008.8 update
Thanks Natanael, terminal and tangogps are readable again :) On Tue, Sep 2, 2008 at 11:35 AM, Natanael Arndt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Am Dienstag, 2. September 2008 schrieb Marco Trevisan (Treviño): Natanael Arndt wrote: Hallo, in the early versions of 2007 there where these nice png grafics on the gtk buttons, but later they has been removed, because it was to slow. Now in 2008 there is again this slow and nice gtk theme, how can i change this to the faster one? opkg install http://downloads.openmoko.org/repository/Om2007.2/armv4t/moko-gtk-engine_0 . 1.0+svnr4411-r0_armv4t.ipk http://downloads.openmoko.org/repository/Om2007.2/armv4t/moko-gtk-theme_0.1 .0+svnr4411-r0_armv4t.ipk I don't really know why they're not so update in 2008.8! Cool, thankyou. Could somebody responsible for the repository put this in there, please? be blessed Natanael -- Web: http://natanael.comiles.eu E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jabber/XMPP: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 168210209 Skype: white_gecko ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: FreeRunner is not sleeping.
On Tuesday 02 September 2008 14:53:12 Orlando wrote: 2008.8 As I read ticket that Gunnar put on... I don't have Rasterman's image... I am using the stable one... The problem is hitting also (or mainly?) the stable image. As a workaround you can install illume-config-illume as described here [1] and setup your suspend behaviour in the Power-Menu of illume-config. Also this problem is already discussed a lot in [2]. [1] http://lists.openmoko.org/nabble.html#nabble-td795652 [2] http://lists.openmoko.org/nabble.html#nabble-td795397 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: illume-config-illume on 2008.8-updates
Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote: On Mon, 01 Sep 2008 21:20:45 -0600 -stacy [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: David Samblas wrote: El lun, 01-09-2008 a las 11:35 -0600, -stacy escribió: what am I missing? go to the illume configuration select keyboard and change none to default Already done. With QTOPIA_NO_VIRTUAL_KEYBOARD=1 and illume configured keyboard set to none, there is no keyboard at all, I get a keyboard, just that it only has Default and Numbers layout, no Terminal (full qwerty). install the illume-keyboard-terminal package :) they are all recommended ones for illume. Quoted from my original message: # opkg list_installed | grep illume illume - 0.0+svnr35693-r13 - illume-config - 0.0+svnr35693-r13 - illume-config-illume - 0.0+svnr35693-r13 - illume-dicts-default - 0.0+svnr217-r12 - illume-dicts-english-us - 0.0+svnr35693-r13 - illume-keyboards-default - 0.0+svnr35693-r13 - illume-keyboards-numbers - 0.0+svnr35693-r13 - illume-keyboards-terminal - 0.0+svnr35693-r13 - illume-theme-freesmartphone - 0.0+gitr5cdedae0e45911ef10f6966587e7f3e842b5d2bd-r0 - since there was only a couple illume packages not installed (and I seem to be down to the shooting in the dark method of debugging) I tried: # opkg -force-overwrite install illume-config-asu # rm -rf ~/.e/e/config/illume # reboot no change... so I tried # opkg install illume-theme-asu Installing illume-theme-asu (0.0+svnr35693-r7) to root... Collected errors: * ERROR: The following packages conflict with illume-theme-asu: * illume-config * hmmm... guess I won't force that. Do I have to reflash this thing just to get a working keyboard? -stacy No, as I have managed to do without. Have you editted the /etc/init.d/89qtopia (or maybe other number) for saying qtopia not to start the keyboard? Anyway. Try stopping first the xserver ( /etc/init.d/xserver-nodm stop ), then delete the ~/.e/e/config/illume and then start. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
NjuBee - questions
Hi, i received my fr on friday (thanks to christoph from pulster) and although I am pretty good with linux in general and debian in particular I do have a couple of questions / concerns. At first, after the first outbursts of joy, some frustration started to creep in. Although I knew that fr was not really ready I find it somehow embarassing to see how many of the standard features of a standard phone do not work. I searched around the wiki and in the mailing lists, but the questions remained: - Sound: How do I adjust the speaker volume? Currently it blows my ears into oblivion when it is too close to my head. - Ringtones: Although this is not really important it annoys me to have to set it to vibrator for just not to wake up everybody in the office when someone calls me. - Whenever I have to plug out the battery for one of the various reasons like total freezes of the fr then the clock sets to 0:40 or something - Keyboard: This thing is ridiculously unusuable. As in ridiculous. I know there are developments going on, but it would be a heck of a lot more usuable if a fragging stylus had been on board (g) (sorry). - Is there any user-friendly way to turn on gprs/edge? - GPS: No fix at all, even with sd-card miles away from the fr Any usefull suggestions? Yt, Gunnar ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: illume-config-illume on 2008.8-updates
Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote: install the illume-keyboard-terminal package :) they are all recommended ones for illume. It would seem that opkg was terribly confused... I had to remove and install illume-keyboard-terminal... a reinstall didn't work, but removing and installing again did... I wonder how many other packages are out of whack on my FR? Hooray... I have a qwerty keyboard! -stacy ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Navit patch for faster map dragging
On Tuesday 02 September 2008, Jeffrey Ratcliffe wrote: 2008/9/2 Florian Hackenberger [EMAIL PROTECTED]: It's up to the OM developers to integrate my patch, I do not have SVN access. Could someone from OM please comment on that? Surely it is up to the Navit developers to accept the patch, and I don't suppose they read this mailing list... Sorry, I thought you meant the OM version control system (but that's git). I'm not sure this patch would be appreciated upstream because a regular computer is fast enough to redraw the map while panning. Concerning the font caching part, it is not yet done and does not provide a lot of benefits in its current state. I'll send it upstream as soon as I consider it ready. As for applying the patch to the debian package: Make sure you use revision 1255 from svn as the patch was written against this version. Cheers, Florian -- DI Florian Hackenberger [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.hackenberger.at ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: NjuBee - questions
Sorry to reply to self: Two more questions: - How do I stop applications? Is there some usefull taskmanager? After some usage the amount of open applications grows rapidly. This is especially nasty in two situations: --- If an application hangs and cannot be killed then I either have to remotely log into the fr or reboot it. --- If I want the location app to rescan for a fix. Currently this is only possible once without again remotely login and killing or via reboot - How do I set the font size? It is wa to large in the package manager and more or less renders it useless. Yt, Gunnar ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: NjuBee - questions
Hi Gunnar, I guess your openmoko from pulster came with 2007.X (like mine did). First of all - you can flash it to 2008.08 for a different set of bugs :) Although it's not there yet - most development seems to happen on 2008.08 and this will at least improve. If you also use the testing repository [1] for updates you can also get a sensible keyboard, I think? If not, you can use the themes and keyboard from [2] to make it beautiful and semi-usable. The other issues I know nothing about - GPS works fine for me - even with the SD card in. This being said - I was also a bit disappointed how far openmoko still has to go - especially with 2008.08 which is based on qtopia, which I believed was already quite mature at least basic phone stuff should be semi-usable. Oh well :) It will come soon enough! - Gunnar [1] http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Download#The_bleeding_edge:_Om_.22base_.2F_empty.22_images [2] http://52grad.de/.stuff/freerunner/ Gunnar Stahl wrote: Hi, i received my fr on friday (thanks to christoph from pulster) and although I am pretty good with linux in general and debian in particular I do have a couple of questions / concerns. At first, after the first outbursts of joy, some frustration started to creep in. Although I knew that fr was not really ready I find it somehow embarassing to see how many of the standard features of a standard phone do not work. I searched around the wiki and in the mailing lists, but the questions remained: - Sound: How do I adjust the speaker volume? Currently it blows my ears into oblivion when it is too close to my head. - Ringtones: Although this is not really important it annoys me to have to set it to vibrator for just not to wake up everybody in the office when someone calls me. - Whenever I have to plug out the battery for one of the various reasons like total freezes of the fr then the clock sets to 0:40 or something - Keyboard: This thing is ridiculously unusuable. As in ridiculous. I know there are developments going on, but it would be a heck of a lot more usuable if a fragging stylus had been on board (g) (sorry). - Is there any user-friendly way to turn on gprs/edge? - GPS: No fix at all, even with sd-card miles away from the fr Any usefull suggestions? Yt, Gunnar ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Gunnar Aastrand Grimnes gunnar.grimnes [AT] dfki.de DFKI GmbH Knowledge Management Trippstadter Strasse 122 D-67663 Kaiserslautern Germany Office: +49 631 205 75-117 Mobile: +49 177 277 4397 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: NjuBee - questions
Hi Gunnar! Answering your questions I expect you have 2008.08 installed. If not, try it out. It is still not really stable and perfect usable, but has some very very cool approaches to get there. On Tuesday 02 September 2008 15:17:39 Gunnar Stahl wrote: - Sound: How do I adjust the speaker volume? Currently it blows my ears into oblivion when it is too close to my head. No GUI yet. Try alsamixer :) - Ringtones: Although this is not really important it annoys me to have to set it to vibrator for just not to wake up everybody in the office when someone calls me. In om-2008.08's Installer there is a package called qtopia-x11-ringtome- profile. I tried installing it but it didn't show up... Perhaps you could give it a try. Else you could try settings it The-Linux-Way. Have a look at /opt/Qtopia/etc/ if using 2008.08. - Whenever I have to plug out the battery for one of the various reasons like total freezes of the fr then the clock sets to 0:40 or something Sorry... Can't help you here. - Keyboard: This thing is ridiculously unusuable. As in ridiculous. I know there are developments going on, but it would be a heck of a lot more usuable if a fragging stylus had been on board (g) (sorry). install illume-config-illume. Rasters keyboard is ridiculously cool :) - Is there any user-friendly way to turn on gprs/edge? Not yet... QTopia has some approach in it, but it didn't work for me. It seems that priority for this is not very high. Correct me if I'm wrong... - GPS: No fix at all, even with sd-card miles away from the fr GPS actually works very good here. It gets the fix faster than any other GPS device I own. Make sure you installed gpsd and set DEVICE to /dev/ttySAC1 in /etc/defaults/gps. Also make sure gpsd is running and that GPS is enabled in the graphical settings menu. Else you won't get any fix. It sounds complicated, but once everything is set up you can just enable/disable GPS via the settings menu. Have fun! ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: NjuBee - questions
Hey there, I got my neo from pulster, too. However, a stylus was included in the package. The keyboard isn't as bad as you think, once you get used to it, putting a dictionary of your language behind it. (long pressing on a letter puts it in, no matter what..) GPS. I really noticed that I have to have some patience (10min) even though the transister is already in it. (meaning, not touching it, in nearly ideal conditions). Also patches for saving/restoring location data, so you don't have to wait are going to be available soon. (See mailing list, a few days ago). (And AGPS support isn't in 2008.8 either, I think.) Sound: have you tried alsamixer already? You should be able to turn it down there. Enjoy the neo. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Freerunner won't charge, and won't start anymore due to out of power
Hi, On Tue, Sep 2, 2008 at 4:05 PM, Paul V. Borza [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've flashed the updated 2008.8 on my Freerunner, and then left it for a couple of days without turning on. Yesterday I've tried to turn it on: it starts, the Openmoko logo appears, and then it suddenly turns off. I think this is because of the battery that is already out of power. Apparently (and I've seen it too...), it won't charge when it isn't booted, and booting is a problem because of a flat battery. AFAIK the only option at the moment is to use a replacement battery. Most people with a Nokia phone can lend you one... Boot with the replacement battery, put in USB power (or the wall charger), pull out the (spare) battery and put in your empty battery. Red light behind AUX should turn on to indicate charging. HTH. Christ van Willegen -- 09 F9 11 02 9D 74 E3 5B D8 41 56 C5 63 56 88 C0 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: NjuBee - questions
At first, after the first outbursts of joy, some frustration started to creep in. Although I knew that fr was not really ready I find it somehow embarassing to see how many of the standard features of a standard phone do not work. You should have known what you were buying. But I don't blame you, neither had I. - Sound: How do I adjust the speaker volume? Currently it blows my ears into oblivion when it is too close to my head. I think you can edit the files on /usr/share/openmoko/scenarios for more permanent changes. You should also fix them if your callers experience echo or you have other problems. - Whenever I have to plug out the battery for one of the various reasons like total freezes of the fr then the clock sets to 0:40 or something If you have no power, the clock don't work. My FR got retarded 2 hours every time I remove the battery. Any usefull suggestions? Sure. First of all, be patient. We will need a lot. A second one is that if you need a fully functional phone, try installing Qtopia. It is much slower and much stable than Om2008.08, and you can do all the things you are asking, I think. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Freerunner won't charge, and won't start anymore due to out of power
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_FreeRunner_Battery ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Freerunner won't charge, and won't start anymore due to out of power
I'll do that. Thanks. On Tue, Sep 2, 2008 at 4:13 PM, Christ van Willegen [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: Hi, On Tue, Sep 2, 2008 at 4:05 PM, Paul V. Borza [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've flashed the updated 2008.8 on my Freerunner, and then left it for a couple of days without turning on. Yesterday I've tried to turn it on: it starts, the Openmoko logo appears, and then it suddenly turns off. I think this is because of the battery that is already out of power. Apparently (and I've seen it too...), it won't charge when it isn't booted, and booting is a problem because of a flat battery. AFAIK the only option at the moment is to use a replacement battery. Most people with a Nokia phone can lend you one... Boot with the replacement battery, put in USB power (or the wall charger), pull out the (spare) battery and put in your empty battery. Red light behind AUX should turn on to indicate charging. HTH. Christ van Willegen -- 09 F9 11 02 9D 74 E3 5B D8 41 56 C5 63 56 88 C0 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Paul V. Borza www.borza.ro ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Stable Distro Recommendation for Business trip
Hey all, I've been running OM2008.8 with testing updates for a few weeks now, and I'm finding it generally pretty good - however, it isn't terrifically stable - I've had incoming calls where they couldn't hear me, or where the 'answer call' page doesn't show up until after the caller hangs up. In my day-to-day life I'm usually near a land-line, so these haven't been serious problems. In a few weeks I'm going on a week long business trip, and my cell is going to be my main source of connectivity, so I'm going to need something a lot more stable. I'd love to hear what the community recommends for a distro providing stable connectivity - phone and sms is the highest priority - although GPS capability would be a bonus. The two leading candidates are either FSO or Qtopia. Any opinions on which of these options would work best? My backup position is to put my SIM back in my old Motorola and use it as a phone, and just use my FR as a hand-held computer... Thanks, Warren I'm considering either installing FSO or Qtopia ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Freerunner won't charge, and won't start anymore due to out of power
I've had better luck booting with the wall charger - I think it generates slightly more current than most usb ports. You might want to try that --- if that fails, then I think a replacement battery might be your only option. G'luck Warren On Tue, Sep 2, 2008 at 10:05 AM, Paul V. Borza [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've flashed the updated 2008.8 on my Freerunner, and then left it for a couple of days without turning on.Yesterday I've tried to turn it on: it starts, the Openmoko logo appears, and then it suddenly turns off. I think this is because of the battery that is already out of power. However, I've tried connecting the Freerunner to the USB for more than 12 hours, but the battery won't charge - or at least I think it's not charging, because whenever I turn it on, the same out of the blue shutdown happens. Has anyone got a similar behavior? Should/is the Neo charging when is turned off and connected to the PC? I can't use it right now, because it won't even boot, because during boot, it shuts down. Thanks. -- Paul V. Borza www.borza.ro ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
volume phone very low after upgrade to qtopia-4.3.3-snapshot-09012242
Hi, I've upgraded to qtopia-4.3.3-snapshot-09012242 because of the improved sound quality and sms problem that was solved. After upgrading the volume (incoming) is much lower. Changing the volume in the settings didn't help. Looks like the volume needs to be adjusted manually. Any suggestions? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Freerunner won't charge, and won't start anymore due to out of power
if that fails, then I think a replacement battery might be your only option. The battery will be fine, it's just that the phone refuses to charge it. I've had a lot of good results with a Nokia battery charger. You can also hope you've got enough juice in battery to load up the uboot menu - from here you can plug the USB charger in and select boot. This has seemed to work for me in the past - once uboot gets things started it should accept a charge from the USB port. Joseph 2008/9/2 Warren Baird [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I've had better luck booting with the wall charger - I think it generates slightly more current than most usb ports. You might want to try that --- if that fails, then I think a replacement battery might be your only option. G'luck Warren On Tue, Sep 2, 2008 at 10:05 AM, Paul V. Borza [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've flashed the updated 2008.8 on my Freerunner, and then left it for a couple of days without turning on. Yesterday I've tried to turn it on: it starts, the Openmoko logo appears, and then it suddenly turns off. I think this is because of the battery that is already out of power. However, I've tried connecting the Freerunner to the USB for more than 12 hours, but the battery won't charge - or at least I think it's not charging, because whenever I turn it on, the same out of the blue shutdown happens. Has anyone got a similar behavior? Should/is the Neo charging when is turned off and connected to the PC? I can't use it right now, because it won't even boot, because during boot, it shuts down. Thanks. -- Paul V. Borza www.borza.ro ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Stable Distro Recommendation for Business trip
I have just installed qtopia-4.3.3-snapshot-09012242 I expect this one to be pretty stable. Have been using qtopia for a while now and the only major issue for me was not receiving all sms messages. That should have been taken care of with this release. On Tue, Sep 2, 2008 at 4:38 PM, Warren Baird [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey all, I've been running OM2008.8 with testing updates for a few weeks now, and I'm finding it generally pretty good - however, it isn't terrifically stable - I've had incoming calls where they couldn't hear me, or where the 'answer call' page doesn't show up until after the caller hangs up. In my day-to-day life I'm usually near a land-line, so these haven't been serious problems. In a few weeks I'm going on a week long business trip, and my cell is going to be my main source of connectivity, so I'm going to need something a lot more stable. I'd love to hear what the community recommends for a distro providing stable connectivity - phone and sms is the highest priority - although GPS capability would be a bonus. The two leading candidates are either FSO or Qtopia. Any opinions on which of these options would work best? My backup position is to put my SIM back in my old Motorola and use it as a phone, and just use my FR as a hand-held computer... Thanks, Warren I'm considering either installing FSO or Qtopia ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Fennec on Openmoko
On Tue, Sep 02, 2008 at 03:56:38PM +0200, Marco Trevisan (Treviño) wrote: Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote: On Tue, Sep 02, 2008 at 05:55:39AM +0200, Marco Trevisan (Treviño) wrote: Btw to me the debian version is likely the one there's in the repo except for the annoying top banner that warnings me that I'm using a superuser account (eh, I know it!). This is something that's bugging me for some time. What are the reasons to login with the root user? Om distros != debian does that. It not so good, but we've to use in this mode, that's why the midori message is so annoying! I don't find midori's message annoying at all, I find it very dangerous to have a GUI stack running as root. Rui -- Keep the Lasagna flying! Today is Setting Orange, the 26th day of Bureaucracy in the YOLD 3174 + No matter how much you do, you never do enough -- unknown + Whatever you do will be insignificant, | but it is very important that you do it -- Gandhi + So let's do it...? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Freerunner won't charge, and won't start anymore due to out of power
Christ van Willegen skrev: Hi, On Tue, Sep 2, 2008 at 4:05 PM, Paul V. Borza [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've flashed the updated 2008.8 on my Freerunner, and then left it for a couple of days without turning on. Yesterday I've tried to turn it on: it starts, the Openmoko logo appears, and then it suddenly turns off. I think this is because of the battery that is already out of power. Apparently (and I've seen it too...), it won't charge when it isn't booted, and booting is a problem because of a flat battery. AFAIK the only option at the moment is to use a replacement battery. Most people with a Nokia phone can lend you one... Boot with the replacement battery, put in USB power (or the wall charger), pull out the (spare) battery and put in your empty battery. Red light behind AUX should turn on to indicate charging. HTH. Christ van Willegen Does anyone know WHY it don't charge when it is off? My logic says that it is very important to have the option charge the battery when it is flat. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Stable Distro Recommendation for Business trip
On Tue, Sep 2, 2008 at 8:08 PM, Warren Baird [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey all, I've been running OM2008.8 with testing updates for a few weeks now, and I'm finding it generally pretty good - however, it isn't terrifically stable - I've had incoming calls where they couldn't hear me, or where the 'answer call' page doesn't show up until after the caller hangs up. In my day-to-day life I'm usually near a land-line, so these haven't been serious problems. In a few weeks I'm going on a week long business trip, and my cell is going to be my main source of connectivity, so I'm going to need something a lot more stable. I'd love to hear what the community recommends for a distro providing stable connectivity - phone and sms is the highest priority - although GPS capability would be a bonus. The two leading candidates are either FSO or Qtopia. Any opinions on which of these options would work best? My backup position is to put my SIM back in my old Motorola and use it as a phone, and just use my FR as a hand-held computer... Thanks, Warren I'm considering either installing FSO or Qtopia Hey Warren, it seems you are speaking for me word-for-word! Along with business trip and Motorola. I don't know if they already do it, but IMHO whenever a call comes in, the processes associated with the call should be given the highest priority and non-essential processes should be reniced temporarily to the background. I would love to show off my FR on my business trip to the UK tomorrow, but I can't take the risk: I have to be available all the time. So I have the map for London installed, and will use only the GPS. By the way, this page http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Distributions says Qtopia does not have GPS. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [EMAIL PROTECTED] apmd again
Hi, Am Dienstag, den 02.09.2008, 12:50 +0200 schrieb Christian Adams: i just discovered something i actually can't explain to myself: (i do the sd_idleclk-trick in /etc/apm - scripts) when apmd is running while i invoke 'apm -s' i get the following in dmesg: - snip Syncing filesystems ... done. PM: Preparing system for mem sleep - snap but the system doen't suspend completely - only X freezes but ssh-ing still works when i now call 'invoke-rd.d apmd stop' the system suspends and resumes on power-button and in dmesg it continues as following (i think the 'error' is shown with the 'Can't switch VCs'-part - this doesn't occur when apmd isn't running at all): I observed the same problem, but only when X was started after apmd, not the other way around. I also observed that running strace -p pid of apmd or strace -p pid of X makes the kernel go ahead with suspending. Can you confirm these observations? What kernel version are you using? Thanks, Joachim -- Joachim nomeata Breitner Debian Developer [EMAIL PROTECTED] | ICQ# 74513189 | GPG-Keyid: 4743206C JID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://people.debian.org/~nomeata signature.asc Description: Dies ist ein digital signierter Nachrichtenteil ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Problem with usb cable: device descriptor read/64, error -110
Hello, I am getting same error. I got my FR last week. I reflashed om2007 with 2008.8 using: Om2008.8-gta02-20080831.rootfs.jffs2 gta02v5_and_up-u-boot.bin testing-om-gta02-20080831.uImage.bin Ask me for further details. thanks huge! S. Kevin Zuber rašė: Hi Community, After a few days not using the usb cable and an opkg update and an system update (Ubuntu with Kernel 2.6.24-20), the cable doesn't work anymore. Dmesg says: [ 211.983257] usb 1-1: new full speed USB device using uhci_hcd and address 2 [ 227.081309] usb 1-1: device descriptor read/64, error -110 [ 242.288201] usb 1-1: device descriptor read/64, error -110 [ 242.502543] usb 1-1: new full speed USB device using uhci_hcd and address 3 [ 257.600058] usb 1-1: device descriptor read/64, error -110 [ 272.800497] usb 1-1: device descriptor read/64, error -110 [ 273.016294] usb 1-1: new full speed USB device using uhci_hcd and address 4 I double checked it with another computer with an older system (Ubuntu 7.10 and 8.04 without updates), but the same again. So it should be the cable (hardware defect?) oder the neo update (using 2007.2 with latest updates). Did I miss something, any other ideas? Has someone this problems, too? It also seems, that the neo isn't charging anymore when it is connected to the cable. The usb power supply is still working fine and can charge the neo. Thanks a lot for your answer! Kevin ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: NjuBee - questions
[...] Sure. First of all, be patient. We will need a lot. A second one is that if you need a fully functional phone, try installing Qtopia. It is much slower Slower? Not in my experience... Apps seem to start faster. Faster! Much faster! Shame on me. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Stable Distro Recommendation for Business trip
On Tuesday 02 September 2008 17:14:59 Nishit Dave wrote: By the way, this page http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Distributions says Qtopia does not have GPS. During Akademy a GSoC student presented OpenCityMap. It's a Qtopia GPS application with Open Street Map integration. It is available for download at qtopia.net but there is no Neo package yet. You will need to compile it o your own. Since it is developed on GreenPhone I'm not even sure if it runs on Neos. But if not I'm sure it won't take long until it does. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Navit patch for faster map dragging
Charles-Henri Gros wrote: Florian Hackenberger wrote: One thing which still annoys me is the flicker while panning. I'm not familiar with gtk and have not yet found a way to disable display refreshes while doing a series of drawing operations. Any help is welcome. gdk_window_begin_paint_region gdk_window_end_paint It's funny, I did the opposite of what you did while working on my own version of tangoGPS, because I didn't like the white rectangles around. I'm afraid that using that method will negate any of your speed gains though. How this would be nice, I don't like the white rectangles too... How are the performances with it? Could you share your code/ipk/tar ? Thanks! :P -- Treviño's World - Life and Linux http://www.3v1n0.net/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Freerunner won't charge, and won't start anymore due to out of power
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I had this problem, too. When it had this issue, i checked, if my laptop find a usb device, and it did. the freerunner stays in uboot, bis doesn't want to charge. but i have the impression, that it charges with 100mA. That is not enough for running it, but the battery is slowly charged, that after round about a half hour you can start it. Then it starts and charges again. Greetings Bastian Paul V. Borza schrieb: I've flashed the updated 2008.8 on my Freerunner, and then left it for a couple of days without turning on. Yesterday I've tried to turn it on: it starts, the Openmoko logo appears, and then it suddenly turns off. I think this is because of the battery that is already out of power. However, I've tried connecting the Freerunner to the USB for more than 12 hours, but the battery won't charge - or at least I think it's not charging, because whenever I turn it on, the same out of the blue shutdown happens. Has anyone got a similar behavior? Should/is the Neo charging when is turned off and connected to the PC? I can't use it right now, because it won't even boot, because during boot, it shuts down. Thanks. -- Paul V. Borza www.borza.ro http://www.borza.ro -- ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFIvWKklYiDScJJ+7QRAqOtAJ4gzQENc0m1BGNX6pn+rgNHIyPSMgCfXRWL aoZKcX6yKmqFfbh6gJbczPc= =835E -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Freerunner won't charge, and won't start anymore due to out ofpower
Does anyone know WHY it don't charge when it is off? My logic says that it is very important to have the option charge the battery when it is flat. Of course it is, but it's a hardware bug: Make sure that the battery never discharges completely. This is an issue because the internal charging circuitry can not be turned on until the FreeRunner has booted, and booting through USB power alone does not work. (If you have the newest kernel images, you should be safe due to a software fix.) http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_FreeRunner_Battery ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Navit patch for faster map dragging
Ok, i also meant the navit developer instead of OM. I know that this problem doesn't exist with normal pc's but it also doesn't harm normal pc's. So i think it isn't a bad thing if you just ask the navit developer if he/she integrates it into the source tree. Until than i stick with version 1255 and your patch. But i see that the navit code constantly updates so it would be nice to use the atual version. :) Ciao, Rainer Florian Hackenberger wrote: On Tuesday 02 September 2008, Jeffrey Ratcliffe wrote: 2008/9/2 Florian Hackenberger [EMAIL PROTECTED]: It's up to the OM developers to integrate my patch, I do not have SVN access. Could someone from OM please comment on that? Surely it is up to the Navit developers to accept the patch, and I don't suppose they read this mailing list... Sorry, I thought you meant the OM version control system (but that's git). I'm not sure this patch would be appreciated upstream because a regular computer is fast enough to redraw the map while panning. Concerning the font caching part, it is not yet done and does not provide a lot of benefits in its current state. I'll send it upstream as soon as I consider it ready. As for applying the patch to the debian package: Make sure you use revision 1255 from svn as the patch was written against this version. Cheers, Florian ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [EMAIL PROTECTED] apmd again
Hi, Am Dienstag, den 02.09.2008, 17:53 +0200 schrieb Christian Adams: i can confirm your observations regarding strace -p pid of apmd but for me the starting order of apmd and X makes no difference .. my actual kernel: Linux dvalin 2.6.24 #1 PREEMPT Sun Aug 31 01:38:31 CEST 2008 armv4tl GNU/Linux (came from not longer reachable buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/ freerunner/200808/20080831 ) thanks. Unfortunately, I don’t have an idea what’s causing it, but I’d be thankful if you can debug it :-) You could test it with two instances of apmd and no X running, for example. Maybe the kernel just doesn’t like two apps listening on /dev/apm_bios. Greetings, Joachim -- Joachim nomeata Breitner Debian Developer [EMAIL PROTECTED] | ICQ# 74513189 | GPG-Keyid: 4743206C JID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://people.debian.org/~nomeata signature.asc Description: Dies ist ein digital signierter Nachrichtenteil ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Email notification by VoIP. Was: Re: Om2008.8: execute script on incoming call
On Tue, Sep 02, 2008 at 07:49:25AM +0100, Stroller wrote: An application should be able to wake up the phone from suspend (or rather add an entry to the `at` queue saying wake me at this time) and it should be able to fire up a GPRS connection. How long will it take to check for new mail? 15 seconds? In that case you're effectively going to lose 15 seconds of battery talktime for every check. If you check every 5 minutes then for every hour suspended you'll use additional battery at a rate equivalent to 3 minutes of talktime. Checking every 5 minutes means that you get a message on average within 2.5 minutes of it hitting your mailbox; checking every 15 minutes means that you get a message on average 7.5 minutes after it hits your mailbox, which is probably a better battery compromise. The N95 manages this, why shouldn't the Freerunner? I did ask in one of my previous posts whether the Openmoko work on dbus will accommodate a program sleeping (suspending?) the phone /or initialising a GPRS connection, but I got no reply (because I waffled too much in that post, apparently). Some kind of standard method is surely needed, because I could see it being quite complicated (and quite Freerunner-specific) to do this stuff otherwise. Yes, but when talking about elegance, I don't claim drop-calls to be elegant. But imagine the FR's plop sound when it wakes up every 5 minutes in your pocket. The costs of interval checking maybe not very high and the battery loss irrelevant. Just elegant it is neither. If you use notification by drop-call, the FR can sleep through - the modem handles the wakeup. I'll be honest, I just don't personally like drop-calling. I dislike it when a girl does it to you because she's too tight to buy minutes (irrespective of the number she's wasted already this month and because she knows a guy will always return a pretty girl's call) and I find it a little inelegant for this application. Okay, i can understand that. But be assured, I will only drop-call myself. ;-) Another poster mentioned that some cell companies may block the number of frequent drop-callers. Presumably it costs one of the call-providers money to initiate a call which you are not then billed for? So it does seem to be slightly naughty, too. Yes, slightly. You're right, though - ideally this should be handled by the phone's modem (or by the phone's phone (??)) hardware, because that's already handling incoming radio and sleep / wake-up. If only there were a way to send a text message to a phone freely over the internet - we could use that far more effectively for pushing our mail (or anything else). The money mobile phone companies make from SMS messages, however, I suspect this is a forlorn hope. So I'm gonna annoy them with my drop-calls until they give us free text messages over internet. Still maybe one could ask on the HW list what the capabilities of the modem are in regard to GPRS connections when the FR is suspended... That would be an elegant solution: FR sleeps, modem handles GPRS traffic from IMAP-idle server until he signals new mail. Ole pgp3oI5QiJVRd.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Freerunner won't charge, and won't start anymore due to out of power
Alexander Frøyseth wrote: Does anyone know WHY it don't charge when it is off? My logic says that it is very important to have the option charge the battery when it is flat. I can't give you a simple answer. Charging is controlled by the PCF50633 chip, based on configuration values that are written to it by u-boot, Linux, and userspace programs. Some of these settings are preserved across a power-cycle (the PCF50633 has a small backup battery that's also used to keep the RTC running) so the behavior at startup depends on the software that you used during your last session. Another complication is that some Freerunners are capable of starting up without a battery while others are not (possibly due to different capacitor values on the internal power rails). I can give a few hints: - The current u-boot has a bug that means it will not properly charge from the wall charger. Try a USB cable into a PC instead. - Try to boot into the NAND u-boot menu (hold power and then aux) and then select power off. This may leave the device in a state were it will charge. Wait 15 minutes and then try to boot Linux. - Try booting through NOR u-boot instead (hold aux and then power) with either the wall charger or a 500mA USB connection, then try booting Linux. - If the device shuts off during one of the above attempts, let it sit for a few minutes and then try that same item once again I've written some u-boot patches that improve low-battery handling. Anyone who's interested can take a look at the openmoko-kernel list for more details, but be warned that the code is not yet ready for general distribution (i.e. anyone who tests it does so entirely at his/her own risk). ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [EMAIL PROTECTED] apmd again
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 moin, i tried to run two instances of apmd (with no X running) - what i got first is this: - snip dvalin:~# apmd It appears that an instance of apmd is already running as process 1590. If in reality no instance of apmd is running, remove /var/run/apmd.pid. - snap after 'rm /var/run/apmd.pid' i was allowed to run a 2nd instance of apmd and invoking 'apm -s' did what it should - FR fell asleep and woke up on powerbutton so for now i am clueless how to continue investigation .. :/ regards, morlac Am 02.09.2008 um 18:17 schrieb Joachim Breitner: Hi, Am Dienstag, den 02.09.2008, 17:53 +0200 schrieb Christian Adams: i can confirm your observations regarding strace -p pid of apmd but for me the starting order of apmd and X makes no difference .. my actual kernel: Linux dvalin 2.6.24 #1 PREEMPT Sun Aug 31 01:38:31 CEST 2008 armv4tl GNU/Linux (came from not longer reachable buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/ freerunner/200808/20080831 ) thanks. Unfortunately, I don’t have an idea what’s causing it, but I’d be thankful if you can debug it :-) You could test it with two instances of apmd and no X running, for example. Maybe the kernel just doesn’t like two apps listening on /dev/apm_bios. Greetings, Joachim - -BEGIN CONTACT BLOCK- eMail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - --END CONTACT BLOCK-- - -BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK- Version: 3.1 GCS$/IT;d-;s:;a?;C++(+++);UL;P++(+++); L++(+++);E---;W++;N(+);o?;K?;!w;!O;!M+;!V;PS(+);PE; Y+;PGP++;t+(++);5(+)++;X(+);R*;tv-+;b++(+++);DI++; D++(+++);G(+)++;e;h-()++;r++;y++; - --END GEEK CODE BLOCK-- -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (Darwin) iD8DBQFIvWtzr81gVylJyzERAg8bAJ4ziZ/Ojk2POlLrMKb9SDAukuCxBgCeOgVk oo6qnmfs49voo91LVkOfJo0= =cFX2 -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Stable Distro Recommendation for Business trip
In my non-exhaustive testing of FSO, I have found that daily builds generally have significant issues, so unless you are installing a FSO milestone release, then I would not recommend FSO. I think FSO milestone 3 should be appearing soon, so do check it out before you make your final decision. -- Craig Allen ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Flashing Om2008.8 rootfs under Windows is *LONG*
Hi Abdel, Actually, the patch is what is compiled into the 0.1+svn beta version of dfu-util for Win32 on projects.openmoko.org. I'm assuming that that is the version that everyone here is using? I also am using WinXP SP2 as Benedikt Schindler on these replies is using as well. For the others who experience long flash times on Windows XP, are you also using SP2? I am using Intel Core2 6420 @ 2.13GHz with 3GB of RAM, and USB 2.0 controller. I guess the other question is, who else can flash rootfs in under 20 minutes using dfu-util for Win32? What are your configurations (version of Windows (including Service Pack), type of processor, amount of RAM, USB controller version)? Hopefully we can find a commonality among those that experience the long flash times and among those that do not. Cheers, Andrew Abdelrazak Younes wrote: Nishit Dave wrote: On Tue, Sep 2, 2008 at 8:55 AM, Andrew Chu [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks for the feedback that the dfu-util for Win32 is that much slower on Vista. I wasn't aware of that. The changes I made to the dfu-util source code were minimal but they could use a code review (I've posted the diff below). On Windows XP, I've never had to wait more than 20 minutes to flash the rootfs so the issue might be related to Windows Vista, or LibUSB-Win32 on Vista, but unfortunately, I do not have Windows Vista so I cannot debug. If anyone has the same issue on Windows XP, I would like to hear about it. I'm using Windows XP with 512 MB RAM on my laptop. rootfs flashing takes between 1-2 hours IIRC. Hello Andrew, Just for completeness, my system is an Intel double core with 2GB RAM and Vista. Flashing takes also between 1 and 2 hours. I'll try your patch if I manage to install a mingw environment. Or, if you have it compiled, I'd gladly avoid this installation :-) Abdel. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Problem with usb cable: device descriptor read/64, error -110
Hi everyone, I am having the same problem as Kevin once had, now. I have immed reflashed my FR's om2007 with 2008 and kernel: tried these: from openmoko2008 update site: Om2008.8-gta02-20080826.uImage.bin - this one says bad kernel image these combinations work, (but the usb error is still there, error -110): Om2008.8-gta02-20080831.rootfs.jffs2 testing-om-gta02-20080831.uImage.bin testing-om-gta02-20080902.uImage.bin gta02v5_and_up-u-boot.bin (Aug 26th) Tried various ways (booting with/without usb cable, plugging it later etc.), re-inserting uhci_hcd etc. cdc_ether and usbnet compiled as modules too. inserted (maually). this comes up though only when i keep pressing power button in ASU (not too long thouth, of course :)) usb 6-1: new full speed USB device using uhci_hcd and address 21 usb 6-1: device descriptor read/64, error -110 though with the newest (today's) kernel it appears: usb 6-1: device descriptor read/64, error -84 Thanks huge! Keep up the great work! -- sledge Kevin Zuber rašė: Hi Community, After a few days not using the usb cable and an opkg update and an system update (Ubuntu with Kernel 2.6.24-20), the cable doesn't work anymore. Dmesg says: [ 211.983257] usb 1-1: new full speed USB device using uhci_hcd and address 2 [ 227.081309] usb 1-1: device descriptor read/64, error -110 [ 242.288201] usb 1-1: device descriptor read/64, error -110 [ 242.502543] usb 1-1: new full speed USB device using uhci_hcd and address 3 [ 257.600058] usb 1-1: device descriptor read/64, error -110 [ 272.800497] usb 1-1: device descriptor read/64, error -110 [ 273.016294] usb 1-1: new full speed USB device using uhci_hcd and address 4 I double checked it with another computer with an older system (Ubuntu 7.10 and 8.04 without updates), but the same again. So it should be the cable (hardware defect?) oder the neo update (using 2007.2 with latest updates). Did I miss something, any other ideas? Has someone this problems, too? It also seems, that the neo isn't charging anymore when it is connected to the cable. The usb power supply is still working fine and can charge the neo. Thanks a lot for your answer! Kevin ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
who uses exmap and exmap-console ?
Hi, does anyone already use exmap and exmap-console on OM/FR and can provide (a) binaries/packages and (b) some hints and tricks how to get started ? exmap seems to be a nice memory analyzer (and more), but needs a specific kernel module (exmap.ko): http://archive.fosdem.org/2007/slides/devrooms/embedded/exmap/slide-00.html thanks for pointers, Harald -- I hope to die ___ _ before I *have* to use Microsoft Word., 0--,|/OOO\ Donald E. Knuth, 02-Oct-2001 in Tuebingen._/ / /OOO\ \ \/OOO\ \ O|// \/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/ Harald Koenig // / \\ \ [EMAIL PROTECTED] ^ ^ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Freerunner won't charge, and won't start anymore due to out of power
Tuesday 02 September 2008 Paul V. Borza wrote: I've flashed the updated 2008.8 on my Freerunner, and then left it for a couple of days without turning on.Yesterday I've tried to turn it on: it starts, the Openmoko logo appears, and then it suddenly turns off. I think this is because of the battery that is already out of power. However, I've tried connecting the Freerunner to the USB for more than 12 hours, but the battery won't charge - or at least I think it's not charging, because whenever I turn it on, the same out of the blue shutdown happens. Has anyone got a similar behavior? Should/is the Neo charging when is turned off and connected to the PC? I can't use it right now, because it won't even boot, because during boot, it shuts down. Thanks. i thought due to all the people spreading the no charge when battery is dead meme that i'd need to get a wall charger, but a re-read of the battery page on the wiki provided me with a very simple (if slightly obscure) semi-fix: 1. Push and hold the AUX button 2. Plug in the wall charger 3. Select Boot in uboot 4. Wait while your phone boots up :) -- ..Dan // Leinir.. http://www.leinir.dk/ Co- existence or no existence - Piet Hein ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: tslib xserver input driver debian packge, addition
Nik Lutz wrote: And if you want to rotate the screen add Option RotateCW to both (Device AND InputDevice ) sections of your xorg.xonf I have a few questions about your Rotate addition to xorg.conf What does this entry do? Does it always start the screen rotated or could i somehow rotate it while xfce is running like xrandr did in 2007.2? And when i look at my xorg.conf in debian on my neo i doesn't have any device section. At the moment i only got three InputDevice sections for touchscreen, keyboard and mouse. But when i take a look at the xorg.conf on my linux machine i have much more sections and a device section. Within the device section the graphic-card is defined. I would really like to rotate the xfce screen when i want it or maybe always if there is no other possibility at the moment. Because landscape mode is for me better than otherwise because of some applications which only work this way. Ciao, Rainer ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Freerunner won't charge, and won't start anymore due to out of power
Everything would be great, but I don't have the wall charger with me, and I won't have it near me anytime soon (three weeks).However, I've got another charger from another phone that says: Input: 100-240V~0.2A 50-60Hz Output: 5V 1A LPS This is the charger for a HTC phone, can't remember the model right now. Is that charger ok to use with the Neo? Paul On Tue, Sep 2, 2008 at 8:24 PM, Dan Leinir Turthra Jensen [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: Tuesday 02 September 2008 Paul V. Borza wrote: I've flashed the updated 2008.8 on my Freerunner, and then left it for a couple of days without turning on.Yesterday I've tried to turn it on: it starts, the Openmoko logo appears, and then it suddenly turns off. I think this is because of the battery that is already out of power. However, I've tried connecting the Freerunner to the USB for more than 12 hours, but the battery won't charge - or at least I think it's not charging, because whenever I turn it on, the same out of the blue shutdown happens. Has anyone got a similar behavior? Should/is the Neo charging when is turned off and connected to the PC? I can't use it right now, because it won't even boot, because during boot, it shuts down. Thanks. i thought due to all the people spreading the no charge when battery is dead meme that i'd need to get a wall charger, but a re-read of the battery page on the wiki provided me with a very simple (if slightly obscure) semi-fix: 1. Push and hold the AUX button 2. Plug in the wall charger 3. Select Boot in uboot 4. Wait while your phone boots up :) -- ..Dan // Leinir.. http://www.leinir.dk/ Co- existence or no existence - Piet Hein ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Paul V. Borza www.accelsense.com, www.accelsense.org, www.borza.ro ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Freerunner won't charge, and won't start anymore due to out of power
Paul V. Borza wrote: Everything would be great, but I don't have the wall charger with me, and I won't have it near me anytime soon (three weeks). However, I've got another charger from another phone that says: Input: 100-240V~0.2A 50-60Hz Output: 5V 1A LPS This is the charger for a HTC phone, can't remember the model right now. Is that charger ok to use with the Neo? It provides enough current for fast charge, but unless by complete coincidence it has the same ID resistor we require, you will have to kick up the charge current manually. http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Forcing_fast_charge_mode ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Preventing opkg upgrade from flashing the kernel partition
* arne anka [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2008-09-02 10:57 +0200]: I do want opkg to update the kernel, but I don't want it to touch NAND, because my system is on the SD card. i would expect opkg to update the kernel in /boot -- if you boot from sd it should be the kernel /boot on your sd, if you boot from nand it should be nand. I'm not sure the kernel package scripts have this logic. I doubt it, and that's why I asked ;) I tried to find a kernel package to check but I couldn't find one. how did you design your system? 1 OS in flash (initial OM2007.2), 1 SD card with 4 partitions (2 of them containing a bootable system). I'm afraid that upgrading the kernel on one of the SD card systems could flash the NAND kernel (and then the kernel wouldn't match the OM2007.2 modules). Of course there would be a few ways to recover from this situation, but if I can make sure it will not happen it's all the better... -- MiKael ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Freerunner won't charge, and won't start anymore due to out of power
Tuesday 02 September 2008 Paul V. Borza wrote: Everything would be great, but I don't have the wall charger with me, and I won't have it near me anytime soon (three weeks).However, I've got another charger from another phone that says: Input: 100-240V~0.2A 50-60Hz Output: 5V 1A LPS This is the charger for a HTC phone, can't remember the model right now. Is that charger ok to use with the Neo? Well, it's less powered than the official charger, which has Input: 100-240V~/0.3A, 47-63Hz Output: +5V 2.0A ...so my guess is it'd not fry anything at least :) But... give that hold- aux-then-plug-in thing with the USB cable, who knows, it might work :) [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: Tuesday 02 September 2008 Paul V. Borza wrote: I've flashed the updated 2008.8 on my Freerunner, and then left it for a couple of days without turning on.Yesterday I've tried to turn it on: it starts, the Openmoko logo appears, and then it suddenly turns off. I think this is because of the battery that is already out of power. However, I've tried connecting the Freerunner to the USB for more than 12 hours, but the battery won't charge - or at least I think it's not charging, because whenever I turn it on, the same out of the blue shutdown happens. Has anyone got a similar behavior? Should/is the Neo charging when is turned off and connected to the PC? I can't use it right now, because it won't even boot, because during boot, it shuts down. Thanks. i thought due to all the people spreading the no charge when battery is dead meme that i'd need to get a wall charger, but a re-read of the battery page on the wiki provided me with a very simple (if slightly obscure) semi-fix: 1. Push and hold the AUX button 2. Plug in the wall charger 3. Select Boot in uboot 4. Wait while your phone boots up :) -- ..Dan // Leinir.. http://www.leinir.dk/ Co- existence or no existence - Piet Hein ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- ..Dan // Leinir.. http://www.leinir.dk/ Co- existence or no existence - Piet Hein ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Freerunner won't charge, and won't start anymore due to out of power
Dan Leinir Turthra Jensen wrote: Tuesday 02 September 2008 Paul V. Borza wrote: Everything would be great, but I don't have the wall charger with me, and I won't have it near me anytime soon (three weeks).However, I've got another charger from another phone that says: Input: 100-240V~0.2A 50-60Hz Output: 5V 1A LPS This is the charger for a HTC phone, can't remember the model right now. Is that charger ok to use with the Neo? Well, it's less powered than the official charger, which has Input: 100-240V~/0.3A, 47-63Hz Output: +5V 2.0A ...so my guess is it'd not fry anything at least :) But... give that hold- aux-then-plug-in thing with the USB cable, who knows, it might work :) The provided charger is rated at 2A, but the maximum the Fr can charge at is 1A http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Getting_Started_with_your_Neo_FreeRunner#Charging_the_Neo_FreeRunner ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
FR won't boot without going into uboot menu first
My FreeRunner won't boot unless I hold down the AUX button while powering up and select boot manually from the menu. This problem started to appear when I had piped junk into all mtdblock devices on my FR. (I had misinterpreted one of the wiki pages about images (the instructions were intended for the host machine, not the FR itself)) I reflashed my FR with another image, but as the previously working suspend was not doing so any more, I eventually decided to update uboot. This solved my suspend issues somewhat but not the boot problems. Yes, I also toyed with different uImages, to no avail. So what does happen if I press the power button without AUX? After a few seconds, I get an AUX-button blink, a soft vibration (I like this actually) and at the same time, the display lights up, but instead of showing me any bootup screen, it displays the the contents of some video buffer (i.e. some random lines of noise or even the entire last screen contents before shutdown). Holding down the power button for any period of time at this stage yields nothing. I have to remove the battery. (Worries about backplate durability anyone?) Any suggestions? Thorben ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Freerunner won't charge, and won't start anymore due to out of power
Yes I've experienced this too. I have spare batteries so I experimented with completely draining my battery, and if you insert the charger, you'll probably hear a little noise out of the speaker, maybe feel it vibrate or see the LED blink, but it won't actually turn on because there's not enough power to operate the LCD monitor, but it still charges at 100mA and after a little while you should be able to boot it up, and have just enough power to reach the point in the kernel bootup where it instructs the PMU to draw full power. If you're impatient, and you have a spare, you can hot swap the battery too. Boot it up to the point where it starts drawing full power, then take out your full battery and put in a dead one. On Tuesday 02 September 2008 11:58:28 Bastian Muck wrote: I had this problem, too. When it had this issue, i checked, if my laptop find a usb device, and it did. the freerunner stays in uboot, bis doesn't want to charge. but i have the impression, that it charges with 100mA. That is not enough for running it, but the battery is slowly charged, that after round about a half hour you can start it. Then it starts and charges again. Greetings Bastian Paul V. Borza schrieb: I've flashed the updated 2008.8 on my Freerunner, and then left it for a couple of days without turning on. Yesterday I've tried to turn it on: it starts, the Openmoko logo appears, and then it suddenly turns off. I think this is because of the battery that is already out of power. However, I've tried connecting the Freerunner to the USB for more than 12 hours, but the battery won't charge - or at least I think it's not charging, because whenever I turn it on, the same out of the blue shutdown happens. Has anyone got a similar behavior? Should/is the Neo charging when is turned off and connected to the PC? I can't use it right now, because it won't even boot, because during boot, it shuts down. Thanks. -- Paul V. Borza www.borza.ro http://www.borza.ro -- ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Daniel Benoy http://daniel.benoy.name ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
RE: Flashing Om2008.8 rootfs under Windows is *LONG*
It takes me about 20min with a recent quad core system, sp2. It takes slightly longer on a linux box with a lighter cpu. Maybe is mostly dependent on underlying usb. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Andrew Chu Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2008 12:53 PM To: community@lists.openmoko.org Subject: Re: Flashing Om2008.8 rootfs under Windows is *LONG* Hi Abdel, Actually, the patch is what is compiled into the 0.1+svn beta version of dfu-util for Win32 on projects.openmoko.org. I'm assuming that that is the version that everyone here is using? I also am using WinXP SP2 as Benedikt Schindler on these replies is using as well. For the others who experience long flash times on Windows XP, are you also using SP2? I am using Intel Core2 6420 @ 2.13GHz with 3GB of RAM, and USB 2.0 controller. I guess the other question is, who else can flash rootfs in under 20 minutes using dfu-util for Win32? What are your configurations (version of Windows (including Service Pack), type of processor, amount of RAM, USB controller version)? Hopefully we can find a commonality among those that experience the long flash times and among those that do not. Cheers, Andrew Abdelrazak Younes wrote: Nishit Dave wrote: On Tue, Sep 2, 2008 at 8:55 AM, Andrew Chu [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks for the feedback that the dfu-util for Win32 is that much slower on Vista. I wasn't aware of that. The changes I made to the dfu-util source code were minimal but they could use a code review (I've posted the diff below). On Windows XP, I've never had to wait more than 20 minutes to flash the rootfs so the issue might be related to Windows Vista, or LibUSB-Win32 on Vista, but unfortunately, I do not have Windows Vista so I cannot debug. If anyone has the same issue on Windows XP, I would like to hear about it. I'm using Windows XP with 512 MB RAM on my laptop. rootfs flashing takes between 1-2 hours IIRC. Hello Andrew, Just for completeness, my system is an Intel double core with 2GB RAM and Vista. Flashing takes also between 1 and 2 hours. I'll try your patch if I manage to install a mingw environment. Or, if you have it compiled, I'd gladly avoid this installation :-) Abdel. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: qtopia update
Michael Zanetti wrote: On Tuesday 02 September 2008 02:30:14 Lorn Potter wrote: I have updated qtopia at qtopia.net What feeds should I use to update? The preinstalled ones for buildhost.openmoko.org don't seem to work and I couln't find a qtopia repos on downloads.openmoko.org. Yes that would be good to know. I use the update method, and I updated the kernel from the last release, but knowing what versions of all the libraries etc you use would help to keep in sync. Thanks it is looking really good. -- Jim Morris, http://blog.wolfman.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Chancing SIM card without reboot
Fredrik Wendt wrote: Hi. Just wanted to know if I'd damage the hardware by doing: 0. Connect FR to computer using USB cable. 1. Turn on FR (FSO-testing), fire up zhone. 2. Open FR, remove battery, open SIM pocket, change SIM card, replace battery, replace back cover - all while the FR is running off power from USB In Sweden we have three GSM network operators (those with licenses to actually put GSM equipment to use) and having to wait 3-4 minutes after each SIM change really kills productivity and flow ... There is a risk that you will damage the SIM card doing that, as it may receive power on the data pads before ground and power are connected. On consumer phones where the sim card is not under the battery there is normally some sort of switch on the SIM card compartment so that the phone, or at least the GSM module gets powered down if you attempt to remove the SIM card. On the Freerunner, it would be best if you powered down the GSM module before you remove the SIM card. Perhaps in future we can add an applet to do that. You might consider testing if the power gets removed from the SIM card pads when the GSM module is off, by probing it with a multimeter, though do so at your own risk, as there is a slight chance of damaging your freerunner. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
usb mass media storage
I have spent a while googling this up and have no wiki skills but someone might find this useful: to make FR act as a memory stick, here is what my script does: #!/bin/sh /etc/init.d/networking stop rmmod g_ether modprobe g_file_storage file=/dev/mmcblk0p1 -- Petr Vaněk http://biodynamika.cz ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
qtopia doesn't play video
In the qtopia mediaplayer there in the menu video but I can't play any video... It is a problem of me or it is a qtopia's problem? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
[qtopia] How to add to applications launcher
Hi, Is there an easy way to add an icon to launch say a script to the UI, either in the applications or higher. Something like the devtools page, where it allows you to turn on/off stuff? I'd like to add some scripts that manage things like switching to mass storage mode and back, and other system level scripts. Running the terminal to do these things is a real pain. Adding scripts to devtools would be great too, but I looked at the source code and couldn't figure out where that app even was. BTW this is for Trolltechs Qtopia, we need a way to distinguish from OM Qtopia/X11 Thanks -- Jim Morris, http://blog.wolfman.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
