Re: Some questions about TangoGPS

2010-01-19 Thread Noel
On 1/18/10, Helge Hafting helge.haft...@hist.no wrote:
 Noel wrote:
 I'm the only one who sees the **big** advantage of navit over
 tangogps, as being able to work **offline**, with very-easy-to-get
 maps?

 Download all the maps you need once when you're online.
 Tangogps will work fine offline after that.
 (The same goes for navit - you have to give it a map
 to work with. Tangogps merely has the option of downloading
 maps when needed.)

I use gps apps when I'm in an **unexpected** position/place.
Otherwise, I can look on a paper map or on Internet a couple hours
before. The 512mb sd card received with neo is enough to keep a navit
map (downloaded 'very' fast) to cover my daily 'unexpected' routes. I
can't say the same for tangogps. This doesn't mean that I don't use
it. Last time was 7 months ago, when I've been a little 'adventurous'
on an uncharted (by osm) area. I used the tracking feature of tangogps
to get back from where I started :)

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Re: Freerunner can now play Ogg video

2010-01-19 Thread Timo Juhani Lindfors
Sebastian Reichel elektra...@gmail.com writes:
 I was talking about putting the tremor mplayer into pkg-fso.

Ah yes, that is surely useful. And if it is already heading unstable I
think pkg-fso would be nice way get some testing done before it hits
unstable. Assuming of course that you have the extra time to prepare
the package.





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Re: using FSO to controll secondary phone?

2010-01-19 Thread Frederik Sdun
if you want to remote control your freerunner over dbus you can use gabriel
[1] which is a dbus proxy over ssh.
if you want to forward you serial connection over tcp you can use a
forwarder written by alphaone [2].
I think if you want to expose you modem over a bluetooth connection, some
extra work is required.


[1] http://gabriel.sourceforge.net/
[2]
http://git.freesmartphone.org/?p=cornucopia.git;a=tree;f=tools/serial_forward;h=517b33a6168632d5ecd3fc6ceac574b2247109cb;hb=HEAD


2010/1/18 joa...@verona.se

 Paul Fertser fercer...@gmail.com writes:

  Frederik Sdun frederik.s...@googlemail.com writes:
  * joa...@verona.se joa...@verona.se [17.01.2010 07:45]:
  Would it be possible to attach a secondary phone over BT to the
  Freerunner and controll it with FSO, the same way as the inbuilt phone
  device?
 
  I think over bluetooth is not possible. But if you can establish a
  network connection you can use gabriel[1[, which should be in the SHR
 repo
  since yesterday.
 
  Why not bluetooth? Many cellphones expose AT interface over bluetooth,
  with rfcomm channel created one can start another instance of ogsmd to
  treat it like a single-line modem.

 I had in mind that the secondary phone(s) should be as dumb as possible,
 so I dont think establishing network connections to the secondary
 devices would be desirable. That would imply a smartphone-level device.

 The rfcomm+ogsmd aproach thus seems more palatable.

 Does anyone have any recomendations for a simple reliable phone that
 would be remote controlable this way?
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Re: Freerunner can now play Ogg video

2010-01-19 Thread Timo Juhani Lindfors
c_c cchan...@yahoo.com writes:
   I'm using timo's .29 faster kernel. I had the gsm not registering with
 this kernel using fso-abyss. Somehow, in my case (though I've has #1024 and
 buzz fix applied) using gsm0710muxd always works.

Abyss developers (Mickey?) might want to see strace of fso-abyss. I do
not know a clean way to capture it however. I would replace abyss with
a wrapper shell script that'll use strace to capture everything abyss
does:

1) mv /usr/sbin/fso-abyss /usr/sbin/fso-abyss.real
2) cat  /usr/sbin/fso-abyss  EOF
#!/bin/sh
strace -o /tmp/abyss.strace -s4096 -f -tt /usr/sbin/fso-abyss.real $@
EOF
3) chmod a+x /usr/sbin/fso-abyss
4) reboot
5) try to use GSM
6) mv /usr/sbin/fso-abyss.real /usr/sbin/fso-abyss
7) put /tmp/abyss.strace online (note that it can contain your PIN
code, names and numbers of contacts and even SMS)

If somebody knows an easier way, let me know :-)


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Re: New significant speedups coming to FreeRunner

2010-01-19 Thread Helge Hafting
David Garabana Barro wrote:
 On Monday 18 January 2010 16:52:11 Helge Hafting wrote:
[...]
 Too bad this kernel didn't work, it seemed very interesting.
 
 I don't know what is causing gsm to not register, but it's not kernel, for 
 sure.
 

It may be some kind of race condition in the SHR software, that
gets trigged much more often with the faster kernel.

Still, the solution for now is an old kernel, for I need
the phone to work as a phone.

Fixing SHR shouldn't be hard, once the race
condition is found. If one program depend on another, then
start them in sequence instead of simultaneously. Or have
the dependant program issue sleep 1 and then retry
whenever the other program isn't there.

Helge Hafting

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Re: Wikipage with FOSDEM 2010 visitors

2010-01-19 Thread Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller
Just 4 Freerunners going to FOSDEM?

Am 18.01.2010 um 08:21 schrieb Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller:

 Hi all,
 I will attend FOSDEM 2010 and give a talk about experiments with
 GNUstep running on the Freerunner. Here is the schedule:

   http://fosdem.org/2010/schedule/events/gnustep_porting_quantumstep

 But since I am sure there are many more attendants and activities, I
 have started a Wiki Page where you can register yourself:

   http://wiki.openmoko.org/index.php?title=FOSDEM_2010

 This all should ease to keep the community from being thinned out
 during such a large event. And I am sure that there are many new
 things to learn and nice people to meet around the Freerunner.

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Re: [debian/fso] how to enable wlan again?

2010-01-19 Thread Timo Jyrinki
2010/1/16 arne anka openm...@ginguppin.de:
 qdbus --system org.freesmartphone.ousaged /org/freesmartphone/Usage
 org.freesmartphone.Usage.SetResourcePolicy WiFi enabled

lindi found out that the new kernel is too fast which randomly fails
the ar6000 initialization:

http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/2327

I also noticed the problem last evening, although before that it had
worked when I tested (as it works randomly). I now quickly recompiled
the kernel with the suggested patch and put the resulting kernel at
the familiar place:

http://users.tkk.fi/~tajyrink/moko/kernel_20100108_nodebug_nopreempt/

According to the last comment in the bug report, the patch is not
necessarily enough, but if it makes it better it's good. I have no
time at the moment to test it extensively, but WLAN worked on first
boot at least...

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Re: New significant speedups coming to FreeRunner

2010-01-19 Thread Sebastian Reichel
On Tue, Jan 19, 2010 at 09:28:10AM +0100, Helge Hafting wrote:
 David Garabana Barro wrote:
  On Monday 18 January 2010 16:52:11 Helge Hafting wrote:
 [...]
  Too bad this kernel didn't work, it seemed very interesting.
  
  I don't know what is causing gsm to not register, but it's not kernel, for 
  sure.
  
 
 It may be some kind of race condition in the SHR software, that
 gets trigged much more often with the faster kernel.

We found this race condition in Debian, too - even before using a
faster kernel by lowering the framework's log_level.

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Re: Freerunner can now play Ogg video

2010-01-19 Thread Sebastian Reichel
On Tue, Jan 19, 2010 at 10:25:46AM +0200, Timo Juhani Lindfors wrote:
 Sebastian Reichel elektra...@gmail.com writes:
  I was talking about putting the tremor mplayer into pkg-fso.
 
 Ah yes, that is surely useful. And if it is already heading unstable I
 think pkg-fso would be nice way get some testing done before it hits
 unstable. Assuming of course that you have the extra time to prepare
 the package.

A rebuild from git.debian.org should be enough :)

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Re: Freerunner can now play Ogg video

2010-01-19 Thread Neil Jerram
2010/1/19 c_c cchan...@yahoo.com:

 Hi,
  I'm using timo's .29 faster kernel. I had the gsm not registering with
 this kernel using fso-abyss. Somehow, in my case (though I've has #1024 and
 buzz fix applied) using gsm0710muxd always works.

That is consistent with my experience.  I haven't yet tried switching
to fso-abyss, and I've never (as far as I can remember) had the GSM
not registering problem.

Regards,
 Neil

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Re: [QtMoko] How to update TangoGPS maps?

2010-01-19 Thread Francesco de Virgilio

2010/1/18 arne anka openm...@ginguppin.de:

you can simply do
dpkg -i foo.ipk


neo:~# dpkg -i yaouh_0.5.1.4_all.opk 
Selecting previously deselected package yaouh.

(Reading database ... 15461 files and directories currently installed.)
Unpacking yaouh (from yaouh_0.5.1.4_all.opk) ...
dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of yaouh:
yaouh depends on python-pygtk; however:
 Package python-pygtk is not installed.
dpkg: error processing yaouh (--install):
dependency problems - leaving unconfigured
Errors were encountered while processing:
yaouh

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Re: [QtMoko] How to update TangoGPS maps?

2010-01-19 Thread Neil Jerram
2010/1/19 Francesco de Virgilio fradev...@gmail.com:

 neo:~# dpkg -i yaouh_0.5.1.4_all.opk Selecting previously deselected package
 yaouh.
 (Reading database ... 15461 files and directories currently installed.)
 Unpacking yaouh (from yaouh_0.5.1.4_all.opk) ...
 dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of yaouh:
 yaouh depends on python-pygtk; however:
  Package python-pygtk is not installed.
 dpkg: error processing yaouh (--install):
 dependency problems - leaving unconfigured
 Errors were encountered while processing:
 yaouh

apt-get install python-pygtk

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Re: Wikipage with FOSDEM 2010 visitors

2010-01-19 Thread Jon Phillips
I'll be there :)

On Tue, Jan 19, 2010 at 9:53 PM, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller
h...@computer.org wrote:
 Just 4 Freerunners going to FOSDEM?

 Am 18.01.2010 um 08:21 schrieb Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller:

 Hi all,
 I will attend FOSDEM 2010 and give a talk about experiments with
 GNUstep running on the Freerunner. Here is the schedule:

       http://fosdem.org/2010/schedule/events/gnustep_porting_quantumstep

 But since I am sure there are many more attendants and activities, I
 have started a Wiki Page where you can register yourself:

       http://wiki.openmoko.org/index.php?title=FOSDEM_2010

 This all should ease to keep the community from being thinned out
 during such a large event. And I am sure that there are many new
 things to learn and nice people to meet around the Freerunner.

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Re: [QtMoko] Building QtMoko failed

2010-01-19 Thread Radek Polak
Yann SLADEK wrote:

 Btw Radek, which files should I send ? ts files or qm files ?
 
 Regards,
 
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Important are the ts files. Maybe if you could send it as patch or somehow 
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Re: Freerunner can now play Ogg video

2010-01-19 Thread arne anka
   I'm using timo's .29 faster kernel. I had the gsm not registering with
 this kernel using fso-abyss. Somehow, in my case (though I've has #1024  
 and
 buzz fix applied) using gsm0710muxd always works.
   fso-abyss is very temperamental - but sometimes starts working all of a
 sudden.

no such problem here, both with timo's kernel and fso-abyss.
could it be that you suffer from to short a dbus timeout?


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OT: Re: gender-neutral English usage

2010-01-19 Thread arne anka
 AFAIK, German has a neutral gender in addition to masculine and
 feminine, but I know even less about German than Spanish.

german neutral pronoun es is very similar to english it (and not only  
etymologically), ie it is only used for nouns not being either mal or  
female (and diminutives like Mädchen which is a d'v of Maid/Magd,  
girl).
it certainly is not applicable for the case in question.

as in almost any other language the issue of male vs female came up not  
until the 60s/70s and there's no viable solution (if it is possible to  
find any).
we use er/sie which equaly he/she but german even uses male vs femal  
in nouns like Schaffner (conductor) or Maurer (mason) -- which get a  
suffix in/innen (sing/pl) for the female form.
thus, in most texts paying attention to gender it is written Maurer/in  
or MaurerIn (and now, zealots try to dinstinguish themselves by writing  
Maurer_in ... )

 I wonder how
 this issue was solved in the past. Such a usual problem must have been
 solved centuries ago in the English literature, no?

hasn't been an issue until recently -- no problem == no solution.
in societies with clearly separated spheres of action for man and woman  
(ideologically, reality was often far more complex), the need never  
occured -- addressing a female doctor never was necessary: doctors simply  
were men.
dr johnson probably wouldn't have understood the question at all ;-)

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Re: [QtMoko] How to update TangoGPS maps?

2010-01-19 Thread arne anka
 neo:~# dpkg -i yaouh_0.5.1.4_all.opk
 Selecting previously deselected package yaouh.
 (Reading database ... 15461 files and directories currently installed.)
 Unpacking yaouh (from yaouh_0.5.1.4_all.opk) ...
 dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of yaouh:
  yaouh depends on python-pygtk; however:
   Package python-pygtk is not installed.
 dpkg: error processing yaouh (--install):
  dependency problems - leaving unconfigured
 Errors were encountered while processing:
  yaouh


yeah, common issue.
ipk package names do not always match debian package names (this one most  
likely should be python-gtk2).
three ways are possible
- install with ignore-deps, but the package will always turn up as  
broken and maybe apt-get will trip over it:
dpkg -i  --ignore-depends=pygtk yaouh_0.5.1.4_all.opk
- unpack the ipk with
ar x  yaouh_0.5.1.4_all.opk
(should extract two tar.gz), find the necessary file(s) and put them into  
/usr/local/...
- create a dummy  python-pygtk package to satisfy the dependency. there's  
a debain tool exactly for that purpose, but i can't remember the name  
right now. you could even simply create directory structure mimicing eg  
/usr/local/, create a tar.gz from it and create the dummy with alien.

i'd use the second approach ...

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RE: New significant speedups coming to FreeRunner

2010-01-19 Thread Niels Heyvaert



 It may be some kind of race condition in the SHR software, that
 gets trigged much more often with the faster kernel.

 We found this race condition in Debian, too - even before using a
 faster kernel by lowering the framework's log_level.


So it appears the symptoms have been tracked: 
http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/2327 (also see post by Timo).
  
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[Debian] installer:E: Could not find the following binaries: ar and few questions

2010-01-19 Thread Joif

I tried today to install Debian on uSD following the instructions on the wiki
but I received an error after typing the ./install.sh command:
# [options] ./install [options] all
# E: Could not find the following binaries:  ar
But in the debian repository there are no packages named ar, maybe ara?
If so, a correction of the install script is needed.

I have few questions :)

1) I read of poeple using kernel and rootfs in only one partition with
uBoot. to do that, are correct the following options?
# TASKS=ALL SINGLE_PART=true ./install.sh --part1-fs ext3 --part1-size
size MB --swap-size size MB all

2)I have a 8GB Kingston uSD, a reasonable swap size? is 512MB enough?

3)what is the function of the environment variable SD_PART2_FS if in the
script there is no SD_PART2_SIZE? it would be useful to set a second
partition for data storage

thank you!

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Re: [Debian] installer:E: Could not find the following binaries: ar and few questions

2010-01-19 Thread Timo Juhani Lindfors
Joif fdvj...@vodafone.it writes:
 # E: Could not find the following binaries:  ar
 But in the debian repository there are no packages named ar, maybe ara?
 If so, a correction of the install script is needed.

apt-file search bin/ar

shows that ar is part of the binutils package.  However the script can
not install any debian packages if it has no ar :-)

What distro are you using that has no ar?

 2)I have a 8GB Kingston uSD, a reasonable swap size? is 512MB enough?

With 128M of RAM that is gigantic amount of swap :-)


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Re: [Debian] installer:E: Could not find the following binaries: ar and few questions

2010-01-19 Thread Joif


Timo Juhani Lindfors wrote:
 
 Joif fdvj...@vodafone.it writes:
 # E: Could not find the following binaries:  ar
 But in the debian repository there are no packages named ar, maybe
 ara?
 If so, a correction of the install script is needed.
 
 apt-file search bin/ar
 
 shows that ar is part of the binutils package.  However the script can
 not install any debian packages if it has no ar :-)
 
 What distro are you using that has no ar?
 
I'm using QtMoko v16b


Timo Juhani Lindfors wrote:
 
 2)I have a 8GB Kingston uSD, a reasonable swap size? is 512MB enough?
 
 With 128M of RAM that is gigantic amount of swap :-)
 
I have to get used to the hardware of the neo freerunner :D
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Re: [Debian] installer:E: Could not find the following binaries: ar and few questions

2010-01-19 Thread arne anka
 What distro are you using that has no ar?

 I'm using QtMoko v16b

unmodified image, i guess?
as last resort you may fetch the binutils armel package from any debian  
repository and extract ar from it on another computer.
according to ldd on my x86 right now it needs

$ ldd /usr/bin/ar
 linux-gate.so.1 =  (0xb78bd000)
 libbfd-2.20.so = /usr/lib/libbfd-2.20.so (0xb77d5000)
 libdl.so.2 = /lib/i686/cmov/libdl.so.2 (0xb77d1000)
 libz.so.1 = /usr/lib/libz.so.1 (0xb77bc000)
 libc.so.6 = /lib/i686/cmov/libc.so.6 (0xb7675000)
 /lib/ld-linux.so.2 (0xb78be000)

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Change orientation of X desktop on QT Extended distro ?

2010-01-19 Thread Vincèn

Hi,

I'm using QT Extended OS firmware 4.4.3 Radek version on my Neo and want to
use X desktop on it. I tried to add that option:

Option  Rotateright

in xorg.conf file but not success :(

An idea how to do that ?

Thanks in advance for any tips, infos, help...

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Re: OT: Re: gender-neutral English usage

2010-01-19 Thread omcomali . rhn
On Tue, 19 Jan 2010 12:14:43 +0100
arne anka openm...@ginguppin.de wrote:

  AFAIK, German has a neutral gender in addition to masculine and
  feminine, but I know even less about German than Spanish.
 
 german neutral pronoun es is very similar to english it (and not only  
 etymologically), ie it is only used for nouns not being either mal or  
 female (and diminutives like Mädchen which is a d'v of Maid/Magd,  
 girl).
 it certainly is not applicable for the case in question.
 

I know for sure that Estonian language has a gender-neutral pronoun. In 
exchange, it doesn't have any gender-specific pronouns, what I find strange, 
being used to Polish, in which you can't virtually say anything without being 
gender-specific.

 as in almost any other language the issue of male vs female came up not  
 until the 60s/70s and there's no viable solution (if it is possible to  
 find any).
 we use er/sie which equaly he/she but german even uses male vs femal  
 in nouns like Schaffner (conductor) or Maurer (mason) -- which get a  
 suffix in/innen (sing/pl) for the female form.
 thus, in most texts paying attention to gender it is written Maurer/in  
 or MaurerIn (and now, zealots try to dinstinguish themselves by writing  
 Maurer_in ... )
 

It's been an issue in Polish language and culture recently, too - some of the 
functions in society had been traditionally assigned to one or the other 
gender, and some to both. The words not having other-gendered counterparts have 
to be coped with.
Doktor is normally male, but can be used as (implicitly) female, and the 
use is widely accepted. However, most words can be made explicitly female - 
doktor would become doktorka.
The most famous example of the latter is psycholog and psycholożka 
(psychologist), which are accepted by the Polish Language Board, but sound 
extremely cheesy in my opinion.

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[wikireader] Rudimentary support for several wikis

2010-01-19 Thread Tom Bachmann
I now registered to the list, since unregistered didn't seem to come
through and c...@thewikireader doesn't seem to respond. Possibly you
might recive this message more than once.

 Original Message 
Subject: [wikireader] Rudimentary support for several wikis
Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2010 00:56:53 +
From: Tom Bachmann tb...@cam.ac.uk
To: community@lists.openmoko.org

Hello,

first of all, please CC me since I'm not registered to the list.

Over the last few days I have been hacking together rudimentary support
for displaying several collections of data (e.g. wikis of different
languages) on the wikireader. This code is not yet ready to be
incorporated into the main repository (I think), and furthermore I don't
actually know if it complies with your ideas of simplicity.

HOWEVER, I would be very grateful to everyone who can test the code. I
don't yet have a real wikireader (i.e. I have been developing this on
the simulator; I will get one after sorting out my budget...) and I'm
worried that there might be problems related to e.g. the scarcity of
memory on the reader (how much ram has it installed?).

Here is what I did: basically, articles are now identified by their
index and by their collection id (the highest four bits of the 32bit
identifier). The .pfx, .fnd, .hsh and .idx files are replicated per
collection. The .dat files are just numbered consecutively (and
identified by the usual way). So if you have e.g. two collections, say
english and french wikipedia, then your image layout may look like this:

pedia0.idx pedia0.hsh pedia0.pfx pedia0.fnd
pedia1.idx pedia1.hsh pedia1.pfx pedia1.fnd
pedia0.dat pedia1.dat pedia2.dat pedia3.dat pedia4.dat

You cannot tell what articles are in what .dat files (in principle
articles from several wikis could be mixed in one file), but in practice
we might have pedia0-2.dat corresponding to the collection 0 (english
wiki) and pedia{3,4}.dat corresponding to collection 1 (french wiki).

The searching functionality etc is implemented in the wiki-app, the user
inteface is rather non-existent. As a hack for testing I'm statically
configuring the system to use two collections (identified 0 and 1) and I
added an invisible button to the upper right corner of the search menu
to switch between the collections (in the simulator you will see a
message). There seem to be some bugs in that button but it's really for
testing only.

In addition to implementing all that in the wiki-app, I modified the
render, index and combine programs. All take a new --coll-number
argument to identify the collection being worked on, and
ArticleRender.py has a new --dat-number argument to specify the .dat
file (--number only identifies the block for the .idx file).

The good news is, you can just re-use your primary collection (the one
identified by 0). The bad news is, all extra collections have to be
re-built. For a quick test, try

make  DESTDIR=image WORKDIR=work \
   XML_FILES=xml-file-samples/japanese_architects.xml \
   COLL_NUMBER=1 DAT_NUMBER=${first unused index in .dat} iprch


make  DESTDIR=image WORKDIR=work install

and then copy everything to your wikireader (or try sim4).

Again, it would be *greatly* appreciated if someone could build a large
second collection and try two real-life datasets on the wikireader.

All the code is at gitorious (just because I am already registered there
but not yet on github). To get it, do

git clone git://gitorious.org/wikireader-ness/wikireader-ness.git

Let me know what you think!

Thanks,
Tom



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Re: OT: Re: gender-neutral English usage

2010-01-19 Thread Atilla Filiz
Something I love about Turkish language, almost nothing is gender specific,
and it is hard to be so. The only common gender specific words are the ones
describing family relations. We have very precise words for sister of
father or so but as I said, gender is irrelevant for the rest.
In German, not only words related to people, but words themselves have
genders, which I find annoying. The most funny example I remember is Das
Meer(sea, neutral), Die See(sea, feminine), Der See(lake masculine).

Doktor is normally male, but can be used as (implicitly) female, and the
 use is widely accepted. However, most words can be made explicitly female
 - doktor would become doktorka.
 The most famous example of the latter is psycholog and psycholożka
 (psychologist), which are accepted by the Polish Language Board, but sound
 extremely cheesy in my opinion.

This is similar in Bulgarian, as all professions are male by default, and
have female counterparts.  Objects also have genders, and they are made
plural etc. depending on their gender.

Oops, I think this thread is drifting away, sorry.

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Re: OT: Re: gender-neutral English usage

2010-01-19 Thread Margo
2010/1/19  omcomali@porcupinefactory.org:
 I know for sure that Estonian language has a gender-neutral pronoun. In 
 exchange, it doesn't have any gender-specific pronouns, what I find strange, 
 being used to Polish, in which you can't virtually say anything without being 
 gender-specific.


I am Estonian and yes we use the same word for both he and she. I
think the same is in other finno-ugric languages too. And I can't see
the need for gender-specific pronouns at all.



2010/1/15 Neil Jerram neiljer...@googlemail.com:
 Historically, yes, they and their are plural.  But in real current
 (UK) English, they are being used more and more also as
 gender-independent singular.

 That might sound surprising, but it is the case.

 Regards,
Neil

So if someone says something about one certain person and you don't
know who is he/she talking about and if that person is male or female,
then you can ask who are they??

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Re: [Debian] installer:E: Could not find the following binaries: ar and few questions

2010-01-19 Thread Joif

ok installing binutils did the trick but now I received another error:
-
***
* WARNING *
***

This will destroy all the data on the microSD card!!!

Press any key within 5 seconds to quit
read: 1: Illegal option -t
 * Clearing MBR of SD.
Device contains neither a valid DOS partition table, nor Sun, SGI or OSF
disklabel
Building a new DOS disklabel with disk identifier 0xdc498101.
Changes will remain in memory only, until you decide to write them.
After that, of course, the previous content won't be recoverable.


The number of cylinders for this disk is set to 243200.
There is nothing wrong with that, but this is larger than 1024,
and could in certain setups cause problems with:
1) software that runs at boot time (e.g., old versions of LILO)
2) booting and partitioning software from other OSs
   (e.g., DOS FDISK, OS/2 FDISK)
Warning: invalid flag 0x of partition table 4 will be corrected by
w(rite)
./install.sh: 1: arithmetic expression: expecting primary: -(*256/7969)
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[H:1] Update

2010-01-19 Thread David Garabana Barro
Hi, everyone :)

I'm just trying latest hackable:1 image, and I wonder...

Is it ok to update hackable:1 r5 using apt?


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Re: OT: Re: gender-neutral English usage

2010-01-19 Thread Neil Jerram
2010/1/19 Margo keegiv...@gmail.com:

 So if someone says something about one certain person and you don't
 know who is he/she talking about and if that person is male or female,
 then you can ask who are they??

Hmm, I'm not sure.  I think I'd say who is that?.

Neil

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Re: OT: Re: gender-neutral English usage

2010-01-19 Thread arne anka
 And I can't see
 the need for gender-specific pronouns at all.

well, since a lot of (most?) languages have those, there's certainly a  
need for that :-)

 So if someone says something about one certain person and you don't
 know who is he/she talking about and if that person is male or female,
 then you can ask who are they??

the releavnt part is imo who -- and that is gender indifferent.
who is [it/this/that]?
would be the question here, i think.

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[Wikireader]Idea for wikireader color

2010-01-19 Thread Suco
I know that for having a wikireader with photos and draws there are some
problems with copyrights and licenses, but imagine you have a system like
the one on the video...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oJ4gnOltZqE
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Re: [H:1] Update

2010-01-19 Thread David Wagner
David Garabana Barro a écrit :
 Hi, everyone :)
 
 I'm just trying latest hackable:1 image, and I wonder...
 
 Is it ok to update hackable:1 r5 using apt?

Hi

yes, you can update the rev5 (make sure, in sources.list, that you are
using the rev5 repositories and not the dailies) ; dist-upgrading may be
dangerous.

btw, you can subscribe the h:1 mailing lists:
http://lists.hackable1.org/mailman/listinfo

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Re: OT: Re: gender-neutral English usage

2010-01-19 Thread Fabian Schölzel
On Tuesday 19. January 2010 17:55:18, arne anka anka wrote:
 well, since a lot of (most?) languages have those, there's certainly a
 need for that :-)

And only the most important words have the privilege to have two or more 
genders. In Germany, it's the almighty Joghurt. It's allowed to use all 
three genders! (Really. [1])

;)

[1] http://www.duden.de/definition/joghurt

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Re: Community action required: Wikipage with FOSDEM 2010 activities and attendants

2010-01-19 Thread Rui Miguel Silva Seabra
Will you do #1024 bug fixing @ FOSDEM? How much would you charge for it?

BTW, same question for other companies who will show up :)

Rui

Em 18-01-2010 07:21, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller escreveu:
 Hi all,
 I will attend FOSDEM 2010 and give a talk about experiments with
 GNUstep running on the Freerunner. Here is the schedule:

   http://fosdem.org/2010/schedule/events/gnustep_porting_quantumstep

 But since I am sure there are many more attendants and activities, I
 have started a Wiki Page where you can register yourself:

   http://wiki.openmoko.org/index.php?title=FOSDEM_2010

 This all should ease to keep the community from being thinned out
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Re: elm_browser initial release

2010-01-19 Thread Rui Miguel Silva Seabra
Em 14-01-2010 04:24, c_c escreveu:
 Michael Smith-5 wrote:

 If you want bookmarks then keep them on a server somewhere as a list of
 links.

I was thinking of adding those to a sqlite db. Fast, simple, efficient.
I keep my bookmarks as a html page (firefox bookmarks.html) and browse to
 it to launch from.
Maybe a similar list of html links on a local page as the startup page
 will be nice to launch from.

I really can't suggest strongly enough to use sqlite as the place to 
store bookmarks, specially if you add keyword organization instead of 
merely hierarchichal.

Thanks for stepping up with that project, I was thinking of doing it 
myself but I haven't had much time lately.

Best,
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Re: [Community Updates] 2010-01-14 released

2010-01-19 Thread Rui Miguel Silva Seabra
Em 15-01-2010 17:40, Patryk Benderz escreveu:
 Hello everybody,
 Recent Community Update is out. Take a look at News link in
 Community box on wiki pages to read it.

 For your convenience here is direct link:
 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Community_Updates/2010-01-14

 and contribute to the new draft at:
 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Community_Updates/Draft_2010-01-28

 Thanks to all contributors of this issue of CU:
 * PaulWise
 * Kichkasch
 * Multi
 * Baba melone
 * Vanous
 * Valos
 * Bt4
 * Linuxxr
 * Deubeuliou


I know, I didn't have time to update the CU, but elmdentica's latest 
release didn't show up :)

Rui

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Re: [debian/shr apps] conatcts app crashes with full addressbook w/o any error message

2010-01-19 Thread arne anka
 shh freerunner
 $ export DISPLAY=:0.0
 $ gdb phoneuid
 # run
 # bt


here's what i get when starting phoneui-contacts. besides the actual crash  
there seems to be an issue with the log file -- i don't find where it is  
defined, but it is set to /var/log/phoneuid.log ... and per default  
writable for root only, while phoneuid runs as normal user, i guess?

(gdb) run
Starting program: /usr/bin/phoneuid
[Thread debugging using libthread_db enabled]
Log file: /var/log/phoneuid.log
Log level: DEBUG
(process:8351): phoneuid-DEBUG: Configuration file read
phoneuid-Message: Using log level 'DEBUG'
libphone-ui-Message: Loading phoneuid
libphone-ui-Message: No speaker value for idle found, using none
libphone-ui-Message: No microphone value for idle found, using none
(process:8351): libphone-ui-DEBUG: settisg speaker_min to 90
libphone-ui-Message: no vibrator configured - turning vibration off
(process:8351): libphone-ui-DEBUG: feedback: no flash configured for  
action error
(process:8351): libphone-ui-DEBUG: feedback: no sound configured for  
action error
(process:8351): libphone-ui-DEBUG: feedback: no vibrate configured for  
action error
(process:8351): libphone-ui-DEBUG: feedback: no flash configured for  
action warning
(process:8351): libphone-ui-DEBUG: feedback: no sound configured for  
action warning
(process:8351): libphone-ui-DEBUG: feedback: no vibrate configured for  
action warning
(process:8351): libphone-ui-DEBUG: feedback: no flash configured for  
action notice
(process:8351): libphone-ui-DEBUG: feedback: no sound configured for  
action notice
(process:8351): libphone-ui-DEBUG: feedback: no vibrate configured for  
action notice
(process:8351): libphone-ui-DEBUG: feedback: no flash configured for  
action click
(process:8351): libphone-ui-DEBUG: feedback: no sound configured for  
action click
(process:8351): libphone-ui-DEBUG: feedback: no vibrate configured for  
action click

(process:8351): libphone-ui-shr-WARNING **: No such file or directory
(process:8351): libframeworkd-glib-DEBUG: Trying to get the system bus
(process:8351): libframeworkd-glib-DEBUG: Adding signals.
(process:8351): libframeworkd-glib-DEBUG: registered to GSM.Network.Status
(process:8351): libframeworkd-glib-DEBUG: registered to  
GSM.Network.SignalStrength
(process:8351): libframeworkd-glib-DEBUG: registered to GSM.Call.CallStatus
(process:8351): libframeworkd-glib-DEBUG: registered to  
Device.IdleNotifier.State
(process:8351): libframeworkd-glib-DEBUG: registered to  
Device.PowerSupply.Capacity.
(process:8351): libframeworkd-glib-DEBUG: registered to  
Usage.ResourceChanged
(process:8351): libframeworkd-glib-DEBUG: registered to  
PIM.Messages.UnreadMessages
(process:8351): libframeworkd-glib-DEBUG: registered to  
PIM.Calls.NewMissedCalls
(process:8351): libframeworkd-glib-DEBUG: registered to Preferences.Notify
(process:8351): libphone-ui-shr-DEBUG: Initiated elementary
(process:8351): libphone-ui-DEBUG: _idle_notifier_handler: idle state now 0
(process:8351): phoneuid-DEBUG: org.shr.phoneuid.Contacts.DisplayList
(process:8351): libphone-ui-shr-DEBUG: window_new
(process:8351): libphone-ui-shr-DEBUG: window_init(win=234408)
(process:8351): libphone-ui-shr-DEBUG: window_view_show()
(process:8351): libphone-ui-shr-DEBUG: window_view_hide()
(process:8351): libphone-ui-shr-DEBUG: contact_list_view_show()
(process:8351): libphone-ui-shr-DEBUG: No frame to hide
(process:8351): libphone-ui-shr-DEBUG: frame_list_show()
(process:8351): libphone-ui-shr-DEBUG: setting layout from file  
'/usr/share/libphone-ui-shr/default.edj' (phoneui/contacts/list)
Error creating the logfile (/var/log/phoneuid.log) !!!EDJE ERROR: file  
/usr/share/elementary/themes/default.edj, group  
elm/index/base/vertical/default has a non-fixed part. add fixed: 1 1; ???
   Problem part is: elm.swallow.event.0
   Will recalc min size not allowing broken parts to affect the result.
(process:8351): libphone-ui-shr-DEBUG: contact_list_fill()
libphone-ui-Message: Probing for contacts
(process:8351): libphone-ui-shr-DEBUG: window_show(win=234408)
(process:8351): libphone-ui-DEBUG: _handle_network_status
(process:8351): libphone-ui-DEBUG: provider is 'E-Plus'
(process:8351): libphone-ui-DEBUG: signal strength is 52

(process:8351): GLib-CRITICAL **: g_hash_table_unref: assertion  
`hash_table-ref_count  0' failed
(process:8351): libphone-ui-DEBUG: _handle_network_status
(process:8351): libphone-ui-DEBUG: provider is 'E-Plus'
(process:8351): libphone-ui-DEBUG: signal strength is 52

(process:8351): GLib-CRITICAL **: g_hash_table_unref: assertion  
`hash_table-ref_count  0' failed
libphone-ui-Message: Contact query result gave 34 entries
(process:8351): libphone-ui-DEBUG: Got to _contact_list_result_callback

(process:8351): GLib-GObject-CRITICAL **: g_value_get_string: assertion  
`G_VALUE_HOLDS_STRING (value)' failed

Program received signal SIGSEGV, Segmentation fault.
0x402858c0 in strcasecmp () from /lib/libc.so.6
(gdb) bt
#0  0x402858c0 in strcasecmp 

[debian/shr apps] call list?

2010-01-19 Thread arne anka
the new package brought the shr idle screen which shows XX calls and YY  
sms -- that reminds of onen question:
sms do i see with the messages app, but where do i see the calls?

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Re: [debian/shr apps] call list?

2010-01-19 Thread Al Johnson
On Tuesday 19 January 2010, arne anka wrote:
 the new package brought the shr idle screen which shows XX calls and YY
 sms -- that reminds of onen question:
 sms do i see with the messages app, but where do i see the calls?

in shr it would be phonelog, packaged as pyphonelog, or the phonelog in 
launcher

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Re: [debian/shr apps] conatcts app crashes with full addressbook w/o any error message

2010-01-19 Thread Sebastian Reichel
On Tue, Jan 19, 2010 at 11:14:16PM +0100, arne anka wrote:
  shh freerunner
  $ export DISPLAY=:0.0
  $ gdb phoneuid
  # run
  # bt
 
 here's what i get when starting phoneui-contacts. besides the actual crash  
 there seems to be an issue with the log file -- i don't find where it is  
 defined, but it is set to /var/log/phoneuid.log ... and per default  
 writable for root only, while phoneuid runs as normal user, i guess?

phoneuid is supposed to be started as the X user. In SHR they are
using the root account for everything, so they don't have this
problem ;) Try adding log_file =  in the config file.

 #1  0x401ded1c in _compare_contacts (_a=value optimized out, _b=0x112124) 
 at phoneui-utils.c:674

And another failing strcmp :P (The segfaults I reported so far where
strcmp caused, too). I just checked the source. I guess you have a
contact with an empty Name field. Can you check
[1] /etc/freesmartphone/opim/csv-contacts.txt for such contacts?

  Ah I may have forgotten to switch default logging back to file. Can
  you check your frameworkd's config?
 
 yes, indeed. although i compared both the old and the new one in meld and  
 copied log_level and log_destination over, the hash mark has escaped me.
 log_to was set to stderr instead of file.

I guess I should change this back *makes notice*

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Re: [debian/shr apps] call list?

2010-01-19 Thread Sebastian Reichel
On Tue, Jan 19, 2010 at 11:21:55PM +0100, arne anka wrote:
 the new package brought the shr idle screen which shows XX calls and YY  
 sms -- that reminds of onen question:
 sms do i see with the messages app, but where do i see the calls?

Try pyphonelog, it reads the call history from opimd.

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Re: Community action required: Wikipage with FOSDEM 2010 activities and attendants

2010-01-19 Thread Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller

Am 19.01.2010 um 21:25 schrieb Rui Miguel Silva Seabra:

 Will you do #1024 bug fixing @ FOSDEM? How much would you charge for  
 it?

Unfortunately no. We do not do it ourselves but by a professional  
company that is specialized in SMD soldering and rework. So we are not  
able to carry equipment + staff to Brussels. I.e. we can only offer  
the remote solution which needs shipment and time.

Nikolaus


 BTW, same question for other companies who will show up :)

 Rui

 Em 18-01-2010 07:21, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller escreveu:
 Hi all,
 I will attend FOSDEM 2010 and give a talk about experiments with
 GNUstep running on the Freerunner. Here is the schedule:

  http://fosdem.org/2010/schedule/events/gnustep_porting_quantumstep

 But since I am sure there are many more attendants and activities, I
 have started a Wiki Page where you can register yourself:

  http://wiki.openmoko.org/index.php?title=FOSDEM_2010

 This all should ease to keep the community from being thinned out
 during such a large event. And I am sure that there are many new
 things to learn and nice people to meet around the Freerunner.

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debian/fso on freerunner

2010-01-19 Thread Yoric Kotchukov

Hello!

Sorry my bad English.

Tell me please, I understand that debian lags behind the progress? Old
frameworkd etc, the old kernel without the new drivers for glamo, just zhone
updated ... Even I look at leading figures debian pass programs shr)))  Hope
dies last)))

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Re: FOSDEM2010

2010-01-19 Thread Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller
We now have two FOSDEM pages and I have merged them both a little...

http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FOSDEM_2010
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Fosdem_2010

Sorry for the confusion created by this move.

Nevertheless, please add yourself to the list if you visit FOSDEM.


Am 27.10.2009 um 18:12 schrieb PieterC:


 Hi everyone,

 great to hear many people are interested! Today I've entered  
 openmoko on
 fosdem.org for a devroom and made some wikipages for it. If you're  
 coming or
 want to do more (giving a talk/presentation, organizing a brainstorm
 session, ...), please add your name and/or idea to
 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Fosdem_2010

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