Re: tangoGPS is a very successful user orienteted map and gps viewer
very good idea! On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 7:45 PM, Stefan Monnier monn...@iro.umontreal.cawrote: Reminds me of the following feature request: when downloading levels N...N+4 (or 5, 6, younameit), please also download all the levels above (it's a negligible fraction of the corresponding disk space and network bandwidth anyway). I.e. instead of downloads N to N+4, it should be download levels 1 to N+4. Stefan ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: tangoGPS community development, patches (was: tangoGPS magnify patch)
Seriously, you know I'm a fan of your software (wrote you a few e-mail IIRC) but lately, in every thread I read, you are scaring away potential contributors and you never really answer the basic questions: 1) why don't you give people feedback on their patches? 2) why don't you use a mailinglist/SVN/bugtracker? if you did this, you wouldn't have to worry about a fork: 3) what is bad about a fork? I have no troubles whatsoever if you say: It's my project and I don't want to give anybody else even the slightest influence it's your right to do that but ATM your words and actions are contradictory: either say a) that you want to do tangogps solo (or with a select few that you chose) and tell people to fuck off with their stupid attempts at patches, or say b) that they are welcome to try and help out, and set up some infrastructure or at least give them feedback either way, there will be no need for anyone anymore to complain to you Beaviour like this (previous e-mails) is making me consider to opkg remove tangogps and install a fork as soon as it comes out and no, this does not mean that forking is bad, this means that forking gives people a choice people will chose the best one (like I did when we couldn't load gpx tracks in the official tangogps version, but could in a patched version - http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/devel/2009-April/005321.html -) I forwarded you that message and got no response, for which I personally do not blame you btw It was only a forward and took me 2 seconds But if I had written a patch, and got no response, I would seriously consider not writing a patch again in the future And yes, I'm not a programmer, but I have tried to do what I can; help people on IRC in the early days, file bug reports, do some early testing for a bunch of programmes, try to give feedback to the creators, add things to the wiki, I even consider some of my posts on the ML us...) In short: please answer those three questions -1) 2) 3)- (or don't, that is an answer on it's own) and communicate a) or b) (or c if you have a different opinion) just make it sure that everyone knows what they can expect because at this moment people have made efforts they wouldn't have done if they had known were they stood (e.g. not getting any feedback to a patch) I personally hope the project continues to evolve and improve, because I find it a big addition to the available software on the openmoko. Kind regards, yorick On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 12:09 AM, Marcus Bauer marcus.ba...@gmail.comwrote: On Mon, 12 Apr 2010 16:19:25 -0400 Stephen Pape srp...@gmail.com wrote: Okay. I'm not sure what you're getting at, or why you're completely changing the subject to make a personal attack on me over an argument involving software development practices. So when you use Google it is okay and when I use Google it is a personal attack? Hey, you are such a cutie :-) You should try to sue Google for diffamation - you could get rich quick! :D And I will join you because Linus Torvalds and Openmoko has a lot more Google hits than me and that guy has never done any work on Openmoko at all. I'll right tomorrow write him an email about what's wrong with his completely fair scheduler. I think there are situations where it is not fair enough. And I'll be really upset if he disregards my email just because I have never contributed to the kernel (almost at least). Maybe you should look inwards regarding your complains about developer ego. I have scheduled 4 hours for this task next weekend. You think that's enough? Good luck. Thank you. And thank you for your example that the best way for avoiding questions about forking is not to make any open source software at all. ...gosh, what a cutie Stephen is... :D HAVE FUN. Last mail, day over. Thanks guys. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
The Origin of the Freerunner Shape!
I have finally found where the shape and visual appearance of the Neo1973 and Freerunner come from: Openmoko.kmz Description: application/vnd.google-earth.kmz BR, Nikolaus Mobile Office Solutions by Golden Delicious Computers GmbHCo. KG Buchenstr. 3 D-82041 Oberhaching +49-89-54290367 http://www.handheld-linux.com AG München, HRA 89571 VAT DE253626266 Komplementär: Golden Delicious Computers Verwaltungs GmbH Oberhaching, AG München, HRB 16602 Geschäftsführer: Dr. Nikolaus Schaller Digital Tools for Independent People ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: The Origin of the Freerunner Shape!
:P funny PS : kmz = google earth file Le 13/04/2010 09:06, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller a écrit : I have finally found where the shape and visual appearance of the Neo1973 and Freerunner come from: BR, Nikolaus Mobile Office Solutions by Golden Delicious Computers GmbHCo. KG Buchenstr. 3 D-82041 Oberhaching +49-89-54290367 http://www.handheld-linux.com AG München, HRA 89571 VAT DE253626266 Komplementär: Golden Delicious Computers Verwaltungs GmbH Oberhaching, AG München, HRB 16602 Geschäftsführer: Dr. Nikolaus Schaller Digital Tools for Independent People ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: The Origin of the Freerunner Shape!
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote: I have finally found where the shape and visual appearance of the Neo1973 and Freerunner come from: For those without google earth: http://maps.google.com/maps?ll=54.897579,23.882423z=16t=hhl=en BR, Nikolaus Mobile Office Solutions by Golden Delicious Computers GmbHCo. KG Buchenstr. 3 D-82041 Oberhaching +49-89-54290367 http://www.handheld-linux.com AG München, HRA 89571 VAT DE253626266 Komplementär: Golden Delicious Computers Verwaltungs GmbH Oberhaching, AG München, HRB 16602 Geschäftsführer: Dr. Nikolaus Schaller Digital Tools for Independent People ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iJwEAQECAAYFAkvEJoYACgkQutgEj9ZLuzQ2zQQAkxpE25jUlTtcdplgpNggCcP/ aDmwpCEQvFs4DHBXKJNbk1a9lmjilgc+jcVLr4RnRbe/cf6yfrYfcB5phM+8eSj3 dfaLlpsznY+mCLTCSWLQzctT5eCSPazt1UuvocLX35zhWbi7m9CXUGSjK40AKpxl vEc+w2R+kNM1N9BiJFs= =a29Q -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: tangoGPS community development, patches (was: tangoGPS magnify patch)
you are definitely off topic. this list is neither to insult others at your pleasure nor to discuss issues with your project or ego. those entirely tangogps related mails are filling up my account and have nothing to do with openmoko. please, stop abusing other projects infrastructure for your personal needs. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: tangoGPS community development, patches (was: tangoGPS magnify patch)
On martedì 13 aprile 2010 11:43:19, arne anka wrote: you are definitely off topic. this list is neither to insult others at your pleasure nor to discuss issues with your project or ego. those entirely tangogps related mails are filling up my account and have nothing to do with openmoko. please, stop abusing other projects infrastructure for your personal needs. full quote,definitely. regards ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: project customers
Carsten Haitzler wrote: if it's hard to communicate - you don't have a sales point. Yup, that's why I wouldn't belabour that angle for now. Whether and when the time for selling on open software alone will come depends on how constrained people feel with the non-open choices, and how many indirect benefits they get. For now, I'll be happy with the niche of project customers who need to tweak the hardware or who already understand why they cannot afford a closed system. That said, such a phone wouldn't have to be free from appeal to the mass market. It should definitely be as attractive as possible, but within reason. sure - but it seems those project customers want to feed off a stable supply line Stability is indeed crucial. I hope to be able to compensate with flexibility what we lack in sheer momentum. E.g., if you get, say, Motorola to make a design for you, and then Motorola decides to shut down or sell off that business unit, then you're left with pretty much nothing, no matter what your contracts say. With an open design, no mattern what happens with the makers of it, you still have the design - down to the last detail - and most of the information needed to produce it. You may still fail to recover from a breakdown in your supply, but your chances are vastly better. Also, since the supply is likely to be spread over multiple companies and individuals (who, in the Open world, enjoy a great deal of mobility) catastrophic failures that wipe out everything are less likely. Now, it remains to be seen whether prospective project customers will agree with these arguments or whether they prefer to stick with the traditional view and try to partner with companies that are too big to fail. In terms of numbers, I think cost levels out pretty well already at only a few kunits. If you're competing on the last 5%, you're already in the wrong game. i know that to you, or to many freedom advocates all this fancy eyecandy, sexy design, high end components etc. seems all irrelevant Heh, yet here I am, still using my sleek little Samsung X-830 as my daily phone, while keeping the ugly pucks in the lab :) The thing with bleeding edge components is that they cost you a lot (in various ways) at very little gain. Yes, you may get that extra push for today's fashionable effect, but by the time you hit the market, fashion will have changed. Better find your own style that doesn't come from the manuals of the Gigahertz war :-) - Werner ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Now someone REALLY has to help me!!
Märta wrote: As I’ve understand you can modify the Frerunners code by writing scripts into the phones terminal. Is that correct, you don’t need a linux computer to be able to do these tweaks (for example setting the time)? While a linux computer is nice to have, it is not necessary. There are several other ways: * Use the phone itself. Run the terminal program and use the tiny on-screen keyboard. You can do anything, but that keyboard is perhaps too small for doing much. Setting the time should be ok. * Use the phone itself and the terminal program, and a real keyboard. The keyboard can connect via usb or bluetooth. This require some configuration first. * Use a computer that don't run linux. Using windows and putty: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973_and_Windows Using a mac: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/MacOS_X ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: The Origin of the Freerunner Shape!
Dnia 2010-04-13, wto o godzinie 10:08 +0200, Vladimir Koutny pisze: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote: I have finally found where the shape and visual appearance of the Neo1973 and Freerunner come from: For those without google earth: http://maps.google.com/maps?ll=54.897579,23.882423z=16t=hhl=en Thanks Vladimir -- Patryk LeadMan Benderz Linux Registered User #377521 () ascii ribbon campaign - against html e-mail /\ www.asciiribbon.org - against proprietary attachments Email secured by Check Point ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: tangoGPS community development, patches (was: tangoGPS magnify patch)
On Tue, 2010-04-13 at 11:43 +0200, arne anka wrote: you are definitely off topic. this list is neither to insult others at your pleasure nor to discuss issues with your project or ego. those entirely tangogps related mails are filling up my account and have nothing to do with openmoko. please, stop abusing other projects infrastructure for your personal needs. No, you're at least one thread too early. This discussion has been (partly) about setting up that kind of infrastructure for tangogps. It was originally a program for Openmoko phones and its business has always been discussed here (afaik). In fact, only relatively recently has there been much use outside the freerunner community. I would agree that it needs its own infrastructure or if it's forked that fork should- but right not this thread is appropriate here. And Yorick, I wholeheartedly agree with your analysis. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: how to contribute to open source projects
You don't have to let anyone in, that's your power :) But you're creating artificial barriers to participation (no public read-only SCM -- at the very least -- so people can work on their patches and adapt to changes in main trunk until they get their patches just right, keeping aces up your sleeve, etc...) You say you do that because of forks, but that behaviour's precisely what incentivates forks :) Rui Em 12-04-2010 22:55, Marcus Bauer escreveu: Hello Rui, you certainly know that I value your opinion a lot. Just the other day there was a storm going on about a remark of Scott James Remnant from Ubuntu who is an outstanding developer, very much committed to advancing Ubuntu. People who have never done any contribution flooded the bugzilla and flamed him. Foul behaviour needs to be sanctioned, otherwise it ruins the whole basket of apples. User experience is key. Actually I have received several supportive emails today from people that have similar amounts (or more) of Google hits in connection with Openmoko than I do have. As wrong as it is to go for weeks to argue with these people it is to let it go through without response. There were at least three other projects in the last four years with a similar scope than tangoGPS. Where were the people complaining about not being able to participate in the development of tangoGPS when those projects were open for participation, where are their contributions? Foul play needs to be clearly identified and pointed out. I rather doubt that those people have got plenty of invitations today to join other projects but I'd be happy if that would be the case. I don't know what your current main project is, but feel free to invite them. Let me know in 4 years if they are still actively contributing and I'll cover myself in ashes :-) Have fun with them and please take them away from me and thousands of happy tangoGPS users and integrate them in your projets :p Marcus On Mon, 12 Apr 2010 21:17:30 +0100 Rui Miguel Silva Seabra r...@1407.org wrote: Hi Marcus, Reading your comments, I'd say you're quickly running several steps of How to destroy your community - http://lwn.net/Articles/370157/ I won't go into the details of listing which is which, and please note that my felling on that is *PURELY* based upon your emails and not on what others claim or feel or actually passed through. Rui ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: The Origin of the Freerunner Shape!
thanks and lol On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 10:08 AM, Vladimir Koutny vl...@moko.ksp.sk wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote: I have finally found where the shape and visual appearance of the Neo1973 and Freerunner come from: For those without google earth: http://maps.google.com/maps?ll=54.897579,23.882423z=16t=hhl=en BR, Nikolaus Mobile Office Solutions by Golden Delicious Computers GmbHCo. KG Buchenstr. 3 D-82041 Oberhaching +49-89-54290367 http://www.handheld-linux.com AG München, HRA 89571 VAT DE253626266 Komplementär: Golden Delicious Computers Verwaltungs GmbH Oberhaching, AG München, HRB 16602 Geschäftsführer: Dr. Nikolaus Schaller Digital Tools for Independent People ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iJwEAQECAAYFAkvEJoYACgkQutgEj9ZLuzQ2zQQAkxpE25jUlTtcdplgpNggCcP/ aDmwpCEQvFs4DHBXKJNbk1a9lmjilgc+jcVLr4RnRbe/cf6yfrYfcB5phM+8eSj3 dfaLlpsznY+mCLTCSWLQzctT5eCSPazt1UuvocLX35zhWbi7m9CXUGSjK40AKpxl vEc+w2R+kNM1N9BiJFs= =a29Q -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: project customer
Jon 'maddog' Hall wrote: But if you are making your phone out of beginning of life components that other people are also using and that have a bit of life to them, you can sometimes get some components without having to buy 10 million of them Hmm, there is an opportunity around beginning of life, namely when the product doesn't have (enough) big (enough) customers yet. At that time there's a chance to become a partner who makes a reference design to help to spread the word. After that, it gets difficult for a while, until the big guys have had their fill. Let's call the stage of life that follows mature. What I'd aim for are mature chips. They're not brand-new, their quirks and shortcomings are known, documentation may have leaked, someone may even have written drivers for them already, you can get them in small and large quantities, they still have many years of life in them, and you can already get a glimpse of the roadmap beyond that chip. Not that I would sneer at a good opportunity to use some fancy new chip, but I'd make sure not to depend too much on this. - Werner ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: The Origin of the Freerunner Shape!
Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote: I have finally found where the shape and visual appearance of the Neo1973 and Freerunner come from: Close :-) I've been told that the case originally came from a phone intended for the Chinese Olympics. The rounded form would mimick the outline of the Olympic rings. This probably also explains the rugged design. As far as I know, that phone never made it to production and the Openmoko project then inherited the device, radically changed its internals, and so on. - Werner ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: The Origin of the Freerunner Shape!
Has there been any explanation of the guitar pick that shipped with the GTA01? If I remember correctly, Sean said that it was an interesting story that he'd tell one day. I never saw the follow up though. Cheers, Joseph On 13 April 2010 13:46, Werner Almesberger wer...@openmoko.org wrote: Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote: I have finally found where the shape and visual appearance of the Neo1973 and Freerunner come from: Close :-) I've been told that the case originally came from a phone intended for the Chinese Olympics. The rounded form would mimick the outline of the Olympic rings. This probably also explains the rugged design. As far as I know, that phone never made it to production and the Openmoko project then inherited the device, radically changed its internals, and so on. - Werner ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: project customer
What I'd aim for are mature chips. They're not brand-new, their quirks and shortcomings are known, documentation may have leaked, someone may even have written drivers for them already, you can get them in small and large quantities, they still have many years of life in them, and you can already get a glimpse of the roadmap beyond that chip. I might agree to early maturity, but in this day electronics age fast, and the chip has to be both early mature and popular to keep in production. md ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: The Origin of the Freerunner Shape!
Joseph Reeves iknowjos...@gmail.com writes: Has there been any explanation of the guitar pick that shipped with the GTA01? If I remember correctly, Sean said that it was an It's for opening the case. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: The Origin of the Freerunner Shape!
Well I know that, but a fingernail does the job just as well. In fact, own the phone for a while and gravity will do the job for you. Sean said, however, that there was a good story about choosing a guitar pick as the case opener... On 13 April 2010 14:01, Timo Juhani Lindfors timo.lindf...@iki.fi wrote: Joseph Reeves iknowjos...@gmail.com writes: Has there been any explanation of the guitar pick that shipped with the GTA01? If I remember correctly, Sean said that it was an It's for opening the case. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: project customer
sorry for this. I am just a typical German being always a bit on the negative-criticising side of life ;-) Some of my best friends are German. I am sure we can have a beer together, Maddog, I am really not the idiot as it may sound here. I recognize that. Thanks for your status report about the Brazilian university etc. I agree with you, it's no good idea to invest any more time or even money in the re-production of GTA02, I honor you give such a honest advice. I still support the GTA02-core project, but for the goals that Werner has advocated, to get a tool-set that is completely FOSS so that people around the world can design with itnot necessarily to produce a phone for mass production. If we can find a way to finance the design, and to make sure that it would be finished and go to market, I think the University would be more than willing to help with the project, including using their influence with vendors to get parts. Be aware that even getting parts takes a lot of time and effort. The university has an office with people in it that makes contracts with vendors, submits grant proposals, signs NDAs, etc. Sometimes they even have to take money out of their budget to join vendor's programs. But they have a lot of things the project could use, even more than the SMT line (which is the same type of SMT line, by the way, that LG uses to make their phones). Ovens to do thermal testing, vibrators to do vibration testing, machines to do certification testing, and expertise in all of these fields. The university also has the ability to make integrated circuits, and has made wifi radio chips in the past. md ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Forking TangoGPS (was: tangoGPS community development, patches)
arne anka openm...@ginguppin.de writes: you are definitely off topic. this list is neither to insult others at your pleasure nor to discuss issues with your project or ego. Arne, You're right. So, please forgive the length of this post: those entirely tangogps related mails are filling up my account and have nothing to do with openmoko. please, stop abusing other projects infrastructure for your personal needs. I really hadn't intended this to get this crazy, when I posted asking Marcus what facilities were available to keep up what he's doing upstream and to communicate with the rest of the tangoGPS-hacking community. When I asked those questions, they were intended to be quick and easy to answer--and the expected quick exchange was indeed relevant to the Openmoko community, since there are so many people here who have been using and hacking on tangoGPS (or at least trying to). But it's devolved into high-traffic tiff with upstream just calling people names, and everyone else sharing their *frustrations*. I don't know if Marcus has actually *watched* (or at least listened to) that video that he referenced earlier in the thread (in message-ID 2010010653.776db...@acer, if anyone actually wants to go re-read the whole discussion in gmane or something): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZSFDm3UYkeE ... but we all should watch it--it's pretty good. As they say, the community mailing-list isn't a group therapy session. It's clear that we're not getting anywhere, anyway. So, here goes: I'm forking tangoGPS. And this doesn't make me a `poisonous person'. This fork is being done with all possible respect, and I do still hope that it will be on the best possible terms--perhaps like when EGCS forked from GCC, or when people `fork' the Linux kernel to work on new subsystems: a good-natured fork to do more `experimental' exploration that may not be immediately possible or appropriate for Marcus in tangoGPS. Marcus will be free to incorporate whatever work we do on this new fork into future releases of tangoGPS, if he likes--on whatever timeline he likes; he'll also be free to ignore the parts that he doesn't like. As will everyone else. We're going to have a go at integrating libgps, for example. I'm going to try to do my best to provide a sense of leadership and direction on this new project (let's call it foxtrotGPS--I'm sure we can find many reasons for that name; I already have a slew of my own :)), and to be responsive when people submit patches for review (and hopefully inclusion). Even for people whose patches don't go upstream, we'll have a Bazaar VCS repository that you can use to keep track of what we're doing upstream and help maintain your patches (branches) going forward. If anyone's interested in relevant public discussion on foxtrotGPS, we have the foss-gps mailing list hosted by the folks at OSGeo: http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/FOSS-GPS Thank you, Risto, for asking them create it :) Marcus: if you would like to talk about why I feel the need to fork your project and am proceeding despite my afore-mentioned reluctance-- and what, if anything, it means to you--we can talk about that privately. Let me know, and I'll give you my telephone-number--e-mail just doesn't seem to have enough bandwidth for us; I'd *really* prefer if we could keep things cordial and professional between our two projects. So, here we go. It'll be an adventure. We can dance if we want to. I know some people are probably going to be very excited by this news, but it takes a couple of days to get a fork properly bootstrapped-- it's not *just* `run through the codebase and change names' :) So please be patient, let your passions cool a *little* bit, and there will be something to show this weekend. Thank you, all. (And thank you, Marcus, especially!) -rozzin. -- Don't be afraid to ask (λf.((λx.xx) (λr.f(rr. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Forking TangoGPS (was: tangoGPS community development, patches)
On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 16:05, Joshua Judson Rosen roz...@geekspace.com wrote: arne anka openm...@ginguppin.de writes: you are definitely off topic. this list is neither to insult others at your pleasure nor to discuss issues with your project or ego. Arne, You're right. So, please forgive the length of this post: those entirely tangogps related mails are filling up my account and have nothing to do with openmoko. please, stop abusing other projects infrastructure for your personal needs. I really hadn't intended this to get this crazy, when I posted asking Marcus what facilities were available to keep up what he's doing upstream and to communicate with the rest of the tangoGPS-hacking community. When I asked those questions, they were intended to be quick and easy to answer--and the expected quick exchange was indeed relevant to the Openmoko community, since there are so many people here who have been using and hacking on tangoGPS (or at least trying to). But it's devolved into high-traffic tiff with upstream just calling people names, and everyone else sharing their *frustrations*. I don't know if Marcus has actually *watched* (or at least listened to) that video that he referenced earlier in the thread (in message-ID 2010010653.776db...@acer, if anyone actually wants to go re-read the whole discussion in gmane or something): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZSFDm3UYkeE ... but we all should watch it--it's pretty good. As they say, the community mailing-list isn't a group therapy session. It's clear that we're not getting anywhere, anyway. So, here goes: I'm forking tangoGPS. And this doesn't make me a `poisonous person'. This fork is being done with all possible respect, and I do still hope that it will be on the best possible terms--perhaps like when EGCS forked from GCC, or when people `fork' the Linux kernel to work on new subsystems: a good-natured fork to do more `experimental' exploration that may not be immediately possible or appropriate for Marcus in tangoGPS. Marcus will be free to incorporate whatever work we do on this new fork into future releases of tangoGPS, if he likes--on whatever timeline he likes; he'll also be free to ignore the parts that he doesn't like. As will everyone else. We're going to have a go at integrating libgps, for example. I'm going to try to do my best to provide a sense of leadership and direction on this new project (let's call it foxtrotGPS--I'm sure we can find many reasons for that name; I already have a slew of my own :)), and to be responsive when people submit patches for review (and hopefully inclusion). Even for people whose patches don't go upstream, we'll have a Bazaar VCS repository that you can use to keep track of what we're doing upstream and help maintain your patches (branches) going forward. If anyone's interested in relevant public discussion on foxtrotGPS, we have the foss-gps mailing list hosted by the folks at OSGeo: http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/FOSS-GPS Thank you, Risto, for asking them create it :) Marcus: if you would like to talk about why I feel the need to fork your project and am proceeding despite my afore-mentioned reluctance-- and what, if anything, it means to you--we can talk about that privately. Let me know, and I'll give you my telephone-number--e-mail just doesn't seem to have enough bandwidth for us; I'd *really* prefer if we could keep things cordial and professional between our two projects. So, here we go. It'll be an adventure. We can dance if we want to. I know some people are probably going to be very excited by this news, but it takes a couple of days to get a fork properly bootstrapped-- it's not *just* `run through the codebase and change names' :) So please be patient, let your passions cool a *little* bit, and there will be something to show this weekend. Thank you, all. (And thank you, Marcus, especially!) -rozzin. -- Don't be afraid to ask (λf.((λx.xx) (λr.f(rr. Thanks, I was waiting for that since start of that discussion. If I were more interested in GPS apps, then I would do that myself ;) But doing something I won't be able to continue just to show something to someone would be a non-sense. Code available in some decent version control system is a must have to me when I'm contributing to some project, and in my opinion not having such SCM is good reason to fork. I wish both of projects good, as I like TangoGPS, but I don't like fact, that it doesn't have any public SCM available for read only access. I hope everything from FoxtrotGPS that can be merged into TangoGPS will be merged, and thanks to that both projects will become better. Forks can be both positive and negative, it all depends on people. -- Sebastian Krzyszkowiak dos ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [qtmoko] regression in power management (was: qtmoko v21)
Alfa21 wrote: fine, I've opened a ticket on mantis about this: http://bugs.qtmoko.org/view.php?id=128 No one has patch now? If no i will take a look but i need some time (maybe little break). In meanwhile there is IMO new feature in my git that can be used as workaround. I have added power management options when screen is locked. I use it that i disable suspend for battery and power supply and set 20s interval for suspend when screen is locked. You will be no longer bothered with dimming screen and unwanted suspends. When you want no longer work with Neo, just hit the lock button and it will suspend after 20s. http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/39cca6cdb72559ae241e7c0783ebc80d.png Regards Radek ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
[QtMoko] Bug 1024
Hi list, for the past few weeks, I tried both QtMoko and SHR with my FR (#1024 fixed by myself) With SHR, modifying /etc/frameworkd.conf did the trick and I can use my FR for approx. 65-70h in a normal way (few calls, text, wifi just for fun,etc..) With QtMoko, I cannot go up to 20h, after modifying /opt/qtmoko/etc/default/Trolltech/Modem.conf Anyone has the same problem ? Something else has to be done ? Thanks Yann ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [QtMoko] Bug 1024
(just a question: 70h suspension included? if yes how many hours of suspension?) d On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 9:18 PM, Yann SLADEK yann.sla...@free.fr wrote: Hi list, for the past few weeks, I tried both QtMoko and SHR with my FR (#1024 fixed by myself) With SHR, modifying /etc/frameworkd.conf did the trick and I can use my FR for approx. 65-70h in a normal way (few calls, text, wifi just for fun,etc..) With QtMoko, I cannot go up to 20h, after modifying /opt/qtmoko/etc/default/Trolltech/Modem.conf Anyone has the same problem ? Something else has to be done ? Thanks Yann ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [QtMoko] Bug 1024
On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 10:18 PM, Yann SLADEK yann.sla...@free.fr wrote: Hi list, for the past few weeks, I tried both QtMoko and SHR with my FR (#1024 fixed by myself) With SHR, modifying /etc/frameworkd.conf did the trick and I can use my FR for approx. 65-70h in a normal way (few calls, text, wifi just for fun,etc..) With QtMoko, I cannot go up to 20h, after modifying /opt/qtmoko/etc/default/Trolltech/Modem.conf Anyone has the same problem ? Something else has to be done ? Same here, Debian gives me days, qtmoko ~1 day r -- | risto h. kurppa | risto at kurppa dot fi | http://risto.kurppa.fi ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [QtMoko] Bug 1024
Yann SLADEK yann.sla...@free.fr writes: With QtMoko, I cannot go up to 20h, after modifying /opt/qtmoko/etc/default/Trolltech/Modem.conf I do not use qtmoko but how did you modify Modem.conf? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [QtMoko] Bug 1024
On 13 April 2010 22:18, Yann SLADEK yann.sla...@free.fr wrote: Hi list, for the past few weeks, I tried both QtMoko and SHR with my FR (#1024 fixed by myself) With SHR, modifying /etc/frameworkd.conf did the trick and I can use my FR for approx. 65-70h in a normal way (few calls, text, wifi just for fun,etc..) With QtMoko, I cannot go up to 20h, after modifying /opt/qtmoko/etc/default/Trolltech/Modem.conf Anyone has the same problem ? Something else has to be done ? I have #1024 fixed and I changed Active=never to Active=always in /opt/qtmoko/etc/default/Trolltech/Modem.conf The battery life is about 3 days. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
[QtMoko] How to install tangoGPS?
Hi, How should I install tangoGPS on qtmoko? I did: # apt-get install libexif12 libcurl3-gnutls libgconf2-4 gpsd # sed -i 's/DEVICES=/DEVICES=\/dev\/ttySAC1/' /etc/default/gpsd # sed -i 's/START_DAEMON=false/START_DAEMON=true/' /etc/default/gpsd # wget http://www.tangogps.org/downloads/tangogps_0.99.2-1_armel.deb-Openmoko -O tangogps_0.99.2-1_armel.deb # dpkg -i tangogps_0.99.2-1_armel.deb # reboot But tangoGPS can't get the fix. Did I miss something? Do I have to change something in tangoGPS settings? I'm using v20. I had the same problem with v18. Previously I was using the ghislain's installer images. These had tangoGPS installed by default and it was working fine there. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: drm/glamo Re: glamo backlight
On Tue, 13 Apr 2010 02:36:56 +0200 mobi phil m...@mobiphil.com wrote: after successful booting and running the gdrm-waitq example I got on the log: glamo-drm: Fence seq#157 was not signalled (with increasing #ref numbers) and usb network seems to be frozen after second reboot and running intensive directfb test applications problem cannot be reproduced... That would indicate that Glamo's interrupt (or the kernel's handling of it) is misbehaving. It tries pretty hard to recover from that situation, but obviously not hard enough. I've committed a patch which will make it try a little harder still. Hopefully it was just a glitch. directfb and other frambuffer applications run on /dev/fb0, however the old bug with display shift to the right is again present. (everything is shifted ~150 pixels to the left) You're right - the patch which fixed that got lost somewhere. I've re-applied it in the latest version, so if you could test it, that'd be great. Thanks a lot, Tom -- Thomas White t...@bitwiz.org.uk ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [QtMoko] How to install tangoGPS?
On Tue, 13 Apr 2010 23:20:22 +0300 Margo keegiv...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, How should I install tangoGPS on qtmoko? I did: # apt-get install libexif12 libcurl3-gnutls libgconf2-4 gpsd # sed -i 's/DEVICES=/DEVICES=\/dev\/ttySAC1/' /etc/default/gpsd # sed -i 's/START_DAEMON=false/START_DAEMON=true/' /etc/default/gpsd # wget http://www.tangogps.org/downloads/tangogps_0.99.2-1_armel.deb-Openmoko -O tangogps_0.99.2-1_armel.deb # dpkg -i tangogps_0.99.2-1_armel.deb # reboot But tangoGPS can't get the fix. Did I miss something? Do I have to change something in tangoGPS settings? I'm using v20. I had the same problem with v18. Previously I was using the ghislain's installer images. These had tangoGPS installed by default and it was working fine there. Hi Margo, which version is your gpsd? (gpsd -V) From 2.92 onward the API changed and the next version of tangoGPS will handle this. In general you can simply downgrade gpsd to = 2.90 without loosing anything. Marcus ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [QtMoko] Bug 1024
Hi, I can't tell, count I use my FR for 30min a day for calls, maybe 30min-1h a day for missed calls and voicemail checking + shr playing :)) Same for QtMoko Yann (just a question: 70h suspension included? if yes how many hours of suspension?) d On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 9:18 PM, Yann SLADEK yann.sla...@free.fr mailto:yann.sla...@free.fr wrote: Hi list, for the past few weeks, I tried both QtMoko and SHR with my FR (#1024 fixed by myself) With SHR, modifying /etc/frameworkd.conf did the trick and I can use my FR for approx. 65-70h in a normal way (few calls, text, wifi just for fun,etc..) With QtMoko, I cannot go up to 20h, after modifying /opt/qtmoko/etc/default/Trolltech/Modem.conf Anyone has the same problem ? Something else has to be done ? Thanks Yann ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org mailto:community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [QtMoko] Bug 1024
As said before, by modifying parameter 'Active' from' never' to 'always' and then reboot the phone Yann Yann SLADEKyann.sla...@free.fr writes: With QtMoko, I cannot go up to 20h, after modifying /opt/qtmoko/etc/default/Trolltech/Modem.conf I do not use qtmoko but how did you modify Modem.conf? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [QtMoko] How to install tangoGPS?
Hi Margo, which version is your gpsd? (gpsd -V) From 2.92 onward the API changed and the next version of tangoGPS will handle this. In general you can simply downgrade gpsd to = 2.90 without loosing anything. Marcus It's 2.37 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [QtMoko] How to install tangoGPS?
On Wed, 14 Apr 2010 00:27:54 +0300 Margo keegiv...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Margo, which version is your gpsd? (gpsd -V) From 2.92 onward the API changed and the next version of tangoGPS will handle this. In general you can simply downgrade gpsd to = 2.90 without loosing anything. Marcus It's 2.37 Can you telnet or nc to localhost port 2947, i.e. either: telnet localhost 2947 or nc localhost 2947 and if this succeeds, type 'r' followed by enter. You should see somthing like this: ~$ telnet localhost 2947 Trying ::1... Trying 127.0.0.1... Connected to localhost. Escape character is '^]'. r GPSD,R=1 $GPRMC,132008.000,A,4340.8841,N,00713.9172,E,3.60,221.79,271109,,,D*6B $GPRMC,132009.000,A,4340.8829,N,00713.9156,E,7.42,221.99,271109,,,D*68 . . . Marcus ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: drm/glamo Re: glamo backlight
Thanks Thomas!!! works great... guys try out the tuxpaint (apt-get install tuxpaint) ... so sweet... -- rgrds, mobi phil being mobile, but including technology http://mobiphil.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [QtMoko] How to install tangoGPS?
Can you telnet or nc to localhost port 2947, i.e. either: telnet localhost 2947 or nc localhost 2947 and if this succeeds, type 'r' followed by enter. You should see somthing like this: ~$ telnet localhost 2947 Trying ::1... Trying 127.0.0.1... Connected to localhost. Escape character is '^]'. r GPSD,R=1 $GPRMC,132008.000,A,4340.8841,N,00713.9172,E,3.60,221.79,271109,,,D*6B $GPRMC,132009.000,A,4340.8829,N,00713.9156,E,7.42,221.99,271109,,,D*68 . . . It only says: GPSD,R=1 If you have internet connection on your QtMoko, you can try the following too: in the config put in 88.191.100.245 as IP for the GPSD and hit the change button. You should get GPS data for the south of France. Yes, that shows me that i'm in France. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [QtMoko] How to install tangoGPS?
On Wed, 14 Apr 2010 00:54:57 +0300 Margo keegiv...@gmail.com wrote: Can you telnet or nc to localhost port 2947, i.e. either: telnet localhost 2947 or nc localhost 2947 and if this succeeds, type 'r' followed by enter. You should see somthing like this: ~$ telnet localhost 2947 Trying ::1... Trying 127.0.0.1... Connected to localhost. Escape character is '^]'. r GPSD,R=1 $GPRMC,132008.000,A,4340.8841,N,00713.9172,E,3.60,221.79,271109,,,D*6B $GPRMC,132009.000,A,4340.8829,N,00713.9156,E,7.42,221.99,271109,,,D*68 . . . It only says: GPSD,R=1 Does a simple: cat /dev/ttySAC1 show NMEA output? If no, is your gps powered up? If yes, what are the contents of /etc/default/gpsd ? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
[QtMoko Bluetooth]
Folks, My Neo appears like a computer, what class code should I set for it to appear like a mobile phone? Thank you very much. -- Pablo Miño ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: qtmoko v21
On Sat, Apr 10, 2010 at 2:01 AM, Radek Polak pson...@seznam.cz wrote: Hi, today we have also new stable qtmoko images still based on andy-tracking 2.6.29 kernel. It can be dowloaded from usual location [1]. Hi, Thank you so much for this release. I tested SMS a couple of times and was able to receive all of them! Thanks! My notes: * Tried the GoogleContactSync from the feeds and it works great. * Wifi - was able to connect to my Wifi router and browse using arora browser * Call volume is OK for me. forgot this one: Also forgot important note - if the GSM does not register (you will be in the screen with big dialer keyboard), use POWER button to Restart QtExtended until registration is sucessful. This happens only with 2.6.29 kernel, no idea yet why. The first few boots were no problem, today I rebooted my phone again, but was not able to get the GSM to register. Previously the registration happened with one or two QtExtended restarts. I have tried more than 10 times now without any luck :( Any ideas where to start looking? -- Regards Shashank ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
