Re: Qtmoko - previous versions?
On Sunday 06 May 2012 05:39:26 Tiago B. Vaz wrote: Be aware that radek couldn't test too much this last one and any report will help him to fix regressions. I really like the new wifi scanner interface in v44. It's just a small issue with the conf file that should be fixed to have it done. Other problems that I've noticed have to do with the new kernel, which hopefully will be fixed soon. So, I'm not discouraging people to try v44! Hi, this problem with secure networks is now fixed. You can try this [1] liblan.so before the release is done. I have quite a lot of improvements already done but much more are still on my todo, so it might take some time before v45 is done. Regards Radek [1] http://activationrecord.net/radekp/pub/liblan.so ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Gta04-owner] [ANN] GTA04 Keyboard prototype
Hello, I have been thinking for a while to try a forearm-mounting casing for the openmoko. A casing that you would clip on the left (or right) forearm, that would be thin enough to fit under the sleeves or even covered with a piece of nice fabric to look like a cloth. This keyboard would probably fit well on the forearm together with the screen and it would make the whole thing easier to use. I am also thinking to place the antenna on the outside of the arm, above a piece of aluminum foil in order to reflect the radiated power and to protect the user from RF field. At the moment I don't have the GTA04, but I can make some rough drawings from the CAD files (I will need to download them). Would there be other people interested in this new way of carring your phone? I previously had some positive comments on the forum about this, so I think we could probably start a small group if there is enough interest. About the announcement itself, I think it is always good to show new ideas at early stages. This makes it possible for the community to orient the development of the project if they see better/different ways to use it. It also shows the level of interest. Lionel On 3 May 2012 09:41, Nikita V. Youshchenko yo...@debian.org wrote: Some more general thought: I am not sure how we should handle such ideas and how this community sees its role. Should we announce/publish immediately as soon as we have a prototype? And ask the community for comments and participation in improving it? Or should we silently finish some design and work with beta testers not on this list... From external point of view, having more information about what is going on is definitly better. However, it is you who is actually doing things, it's up to you to decide if to show your eraly prototypes and collect feedback or not. Nikita ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Openmoko servers
openmoko inc. isn't handling anything openmoko.org related, since ages. A detail constantly ignored in all this debate. Please note that all openmoko.org (incl me / my mail addr) is no longer directly associated to openmoko.com and openmoko inc. I'm actually thoroughly fed up with getting bitched at like I was a first level helpdesk drone or CR-representative. I'm not going to answer any more to guys *demanding* things from me and accusing me of whatever weird mindset when I don't feel like jumping when they instruct me jump. I've been in to help, in my spare time, on a voluntary basis. I'll reduce this engagement drastically, since it earns me bitching and reproaches, instead of at least appreciation or the satisfaction to feel I was able to help. /j ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Openmoko servers
Whooo Joerg, take a beer! I'm sure people are unaware of this, so it is good to explain it to them. Don't take it personally, your help is really appreciated. Kind regards, Ed On 05/06/2012 06:45 PM, Joerg Reisenweber wrote: openmoko inc. isn't handling anything openmoko.org related, since ages. A detail constantly ignored in all this debate. Please note that all openmoko.org (incl me / my mail addr) is no longer directly associated to openmoko.com and openmoko inc. I'm actually thoroughly fed up with getting bitched at like I was a first level helpdesk drone or CR-representative. I'm not going to answer any more to guys *demanding* things from me and accusing me of whatever weird mindset when I don't feel like jumping when they instruct me jump. I've been in to help, in my spare time, on a voluntary basis. I'll reduce this engagement drastically, since it earns me bitching and reproaches, instead of at least appreciation or the satisfaction to feel I was able to help. /j ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Qtmoko - previous versions?
Hello: Thanks for the reply. Regards. 2012/5/6 Tiago B. Vaz ti...@debian.org: On Sat, 5 May 2012 09:50:02 +0200, correu griera wrote Hello: Just for curiosity, what version is more stable for you? I am now using version 39 and I thought the upgrade to version 44 this weekend. Thank you. I never know which version I'm running, but any version 44 for GTA02 used to work pretty well here :) Be aware that radek couldn't test too much this last one and any report will help him to fix regressions. I really like the new wifi scanner interface in v44. It's just a small issue with the conf file that should be fixed to have it done. Other problems that I've noticed have to do with the new kernel, which hopefully will be fixed soon. So, I'm not discouraging people to try v44! Regards, -- Tiago Bortoletto Vaz http://tiagovaz.org 0xA504FECA - http://pgp.mit.edu ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Openmoko servers
Hi Joerg, Ed, I think you are both completely right. I think this is again an example (and explanation) why Openmoko.org (not .com) IMHO needs a (new) formal organization. And as Ed suggests. some people are simply assuming that it exists and jOERG is some executing member of it. If we had such an organization, there would really be someone to blame for. Or to demand something from the organization, if you are member. So those people who have been elected (and accepted), accept that the community can demand that e.g. servers are kept in operation. And, if they do well, it is also very clear whom to compliment. I.e. it is not at all your fault or even responsibility. Nobody (except you) has elected you for that tasks. So you are completely right in rejecting such requests. I think, this community has to decide which sort of organization they would like to operate the infrastructure and decide who gets the hat to keep it running. The proposal/offer from Martix (Openmobility.org) is definitively to be considered (we probably need more details). So jOERG, if you come to LinuxTag as we have discussed, let's have a beer and discuss how to form some organization for Openmoko.org (and fix your GTA04). BR, Nikolaus (I was out of town for some days and have to work through the e-mail backlog) Am 06.05.2012 um 19:37 schrieb Ed Kapitein: Whooo Joerg, take a beer! I'm sure people are unaware of this, so it is good to explain it to them. Don't take it personally, your help is really appreciated. Kind regards, Ed On 05/06/2012 06:45 PM, Joerg Reisenweber wrote: openmoko inc. isn't handling anything openmoko.org related, since ages. A detail constantly ignored in all this debate. Please note that all openmoko.org (incl me / my mail addr) is no longer directly associated to openmoko.com and openmoko inc. I'm actually thoroughly fed up with getting bitched at like I was a first level helpdesk drone or CR-representative. I'm not going to answer any more to guys *demanding* things from me and accusing me of whatever weird mindset when I don't feel like jumping when they instruct me jump. I've been in to help, in my spare time, on a voluntary basis. I'll reduce this engagement drastically, since it earns me bitching and reproaches, instead of at least appreciation or the satisfaction to feel I was able to help. /j ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Openmoko servers
Hi Nikolaus, feel free to ask on details. Don't be confused. We are not Openmobility.org just Openmobility. And we don't own openmobility.org domain, just openmobility.cz and openmobility.eu. Best Regards, Martix Dne 6.5.2012 21:30, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller napsal(a): Hi Joerg, Ed, I think you are both completely right. I think this is again an example (and explanation) why Openmoko.org (not .com) IMHO needs a (new) formal organization. And as Ed suggests. some people are simply assuming that it exists and jOERG is some executing member of it. If we had such an organization, there would really be someone to blame for. Or to demand something from the organization, if you are member. So those people who have been elected (and accepted), accept that the community can demand that e.g. servers are kept in operation. And, if they do well, it is also very clear whom to compliment. I.e. it is not at all your fault or even responsibility. Nobody (except you) has elected you for that tasks. So you are completely right in rejecting such requests. I think, this community has to decide which sort of organization they would like to operate the infrastructure and decide who gets the hat to keep it running. The proposal/offer from Martix (Openmobility.org) is definitively to be considered (we probably need more details). So jOERG, if you come to LinuxTag as we have discussed, let's have a beer and discuss how to form some organization for Openmoko.org (and fix your GTA04). BR, Nikolaus (I was out of town for some days and have to work through the e-mail backlog) Am 06.05.2012 um 19:37 schrieb Ed Kapitein: Whooo Joerg, take a beer! I'm sure people are unaware of this, so it is good to explain it to them. Don't take it personally, your help is really appreciated. Kind regards, Ed On 05/06/2012 06:45 PM, Joerg Reisenweber wrote: openmoko inc. isn't handling anything openmoko.org related, since ages. A detail constantly ignored in all this debate. Please note that all openmoko.org (incl me / my mail addr) is no longer directly associated to openmoko.com and openmoko inc. I'm actually thoroughly fed up with getting bitched at like I was a first level helpdesk drone or CR-representative. I'm not going to answer any more to guys *demanding* things from me and accusing me of whatever weird mindset when I don't feel like jumping when they instruct me jump. I've been in to help, in my spare time, on a voluntary basis. I'll reduce this engagement drastically, since it earns me bitching and reproaches, instead of at least appreciation or the satisfaction to feel I was able to help. /j ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
*.openmoko.org infrastructure
Hello, There was considerable tension in the community lately regarding the Openmoko community resources, namely docs.openmoko.org , wiki.openwoko.org , svn.openmoko.org , people.openmoko.org . The problem is that not only the servers were unstable and apparently required a kick every now and then but also that there's no clearly visible contact person and the whole situation regarding the resources is causing honest concern and inconvenience in community. Right at the moment svn.openmoko.org and docs.openmoko.org are still inaccessible (since weeks) and nobody really knows how to proceed. For the community to be able to deduce a way to manage this situation i would like to ask everybody involved to clarify these questions: 1. Who owns the servers and who pays which bills? How to get a proxy or transfer the responsibility for the openmoko.org domain and infrastructure to other person in case the original owner becomes unavailable? Whom can you propose to take this role? 2. Who actually has admin credentials, is supposed to care about things like server outages, and what is the suggested procedure to contact that person? Is there a proxy for this position? How to transfer the credentials to another person in case the original maintainer becomes unavailable? 3. What is the practical and reliable way to do administrative tasks like e.g. obtaining the dump of the wiki and docs.openmoko.org bugtracker database? 4. What suggestions do you have to improve the status quo? Thanks in advance for your replies and commitment. Sincerely, Paul Fertser -- Be free, use free (http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html) software! mailto:fercer...@gmail.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: *.openmoko.org infrastructure
Hi Paul and others, On Mon, May 07, 2012 at 12:53:15AM +0400, Paul Fertser wrote: For the community to be able to deduce a way to manage this situation i would like to ask everybody involved to clarify these questions: 1. Who owns the servers and who pays which bills? How to get a proxy or transfer the responsibility for the openmoko.org domain and infrastructure to other person in case the original owner becomes unavailable? Whom can you propose to take this role? The servers are rented from Hetzner in Germany, the bills are paid by Sean Moss-Pultz / Openmoko Inc. 2. Who actually has admin credentials, is supposed to care about things like server outages, and what is the suggested procedure to contact that person? roh, gismo and myself (at least) have root on all the boxes. There is no prescribed contact procedure, and there is nobody who is even officially supposed to maintain the machines and/or the software and configurations on them. roh and gismo used to be doing paid syssadmin work for Openmoko Inc., until the company pulled out of mobile phones. After that, roh and gismo have still been able to continuing to donate some of their spare time to it, but with a lot of other involvements, the amount of time available for that is probably just the bare minimum to keep things alive, and not any major migrations. As it is a considerably complex setup involving about a dozen of virtual machines on outdated Linux distributions (without security updates), maintenance probably is a nightmare. As it seems, while all of us still feel extremely sympathetic about Openmoko, none of the poeple with admin privileges are still actively invovled with the Openmoko community. If I wasn't involved in a gazillion of other projects and constantly overworked and behind any possible schedule, I would even jump in myself ot help. But I simply can't :( Is there a proxy for this position? How to transfer the credentials to another person in case the original maintainer becomes unavailable? 4. What suggestions do you have to improve the status quo? From my point of view, in order to proceed, what would need to be done is: 1) to remove/split any data that is openmoko proprietary/internal from the public information. Traditionally, there was a clean separation of such data in different virtual machines, so I think this is more or less a hypothetical problem. Does any of the ex-openmoko guys disagree? 2) finding somebody with the required skills, dedication and trust by all involved entities/people to actually maintain/upgrade those systems for the time to come. 3) ensure that Openmoko, Inc. still has an adequate amount of last resort control over what happens there, as it (after all) still is their trademark. So if somebody sues them over content on those sites, they need to be able to take action by removing such content without having to go to anyone else. 4) migrate the VMs or at least the content to new, more reliable (and also less expensive) rented server hardware. I would like to use this opportunity to thank Sean for continuing to fund the server hosting / traffic, and roh + gismo for what they have done so far in keeping things alive. Regards, Harald -- - Harald Welte lafo...@gnumonks.org http://laforge.gnumonks.org/ Privacy in residential applications is a desirable marketing option. (ETSI EN 300 175-7 Ch. A6) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: *.openmoko.org infrastructure
On Sun, 2012-05-06 at 23:23 +0200, Harald Welte wrote:
From my point of view, in order to proceed, what would need to be done is:
2) finding somebody with the required skills, dedication and trust by
all involved entities/people to actually maintain/upgrade those
systems for the time to come.
3) ensure that Openmoko, Inc. still has an adequate amount of last
resort control over what happens there, as it (after all) still is
their trademark. So if somebody sues them over content on those
sites, they need to be able to take action by removing such content
without having to go to anyone else.
4) migrate the VMs or at least the content to new, more reliable (and
also less expensive) rented server hardware.
I've spoken through IRC to some of the guys at the Open Source Lab at
Oregon State University¹. This group hosts, for example, the Meego
project, as well as helping host parts of the Apache, Debian, CentOS and
Gentoo infrastructures, to name a few.
They're open to the idea of migrating openmoko.org services and/or
server VMs to their infrastructure. I believe this would be the most
sustainable and practical solution.
Bob Ham
¹ http://osuosl.org/about-osuosl
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