Re: Newbie questions
The latest is 4.4.3 which has a new git repo available for community maintenance. They've added echo fixes in the last couple of days. I think they're using current kernels which have a multitude of fixes too. See this thread for details, many of which will appear towards the end. http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2009-March/043331.html On Friday 13 March 2009, Mile Davidovic wrote: Hello thanks a lot for Your answers. I tried latest Qt release (qtextended-4.4.2), according to documentation CSD is supported but I have trouble with using. QtExtented has example application (caller) which shows CSD usage but unfortunately example does not work for me. Also, how I can get source of kernel used in latest Qt delivery (testing-om-gta02-20081029.uImage.bin)? Kind regards Mile On Mon, Mar 9, 2009 at 6:16 PM, Al Johnson openm...@mazikeen.demon.co.ukwrote: On Monday 09 March 2009, Mile Davidovic wrote: Hello What about CSD or data call? What is best way to enable CSD functionality? That'll depend on which distro you're using as they mediate access to the GSM modem differently. 2008.x uses QtExtended but I can't give you any pointers as to how it works beyond that. For distros using the freesmartphone.org dbus API you can use org.freesmartphone.GSM.MUX.AllocChannel to get a virtual tty, then use pppd to make your CSD connection over that tty as normal. Remember to free the channel after the connection is terminated. That's the theory anyway - I haven't actually tried it! See docs.freesmartphone.org for invocation details. There may be a case for extending the API to include org.freesmartphone.GSM.CSD as well as the existing PDP coverage. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [PATCH] Added echo suppression fixes for the OpenMoko Neo phone.
I can see the patch setting %N0187 when making a call, waking, initialising etc. but not when answering a call. It seems like it needs adding there too to fix this for some people. AFAIK we never did find out why the echo/nr settings are persistent for some people and not for others. On Tuesday 10 March 2009, HouYu Li wrote: Just had a test, when someone call my freerunner, he or she still can hear the echo. but when calling someone from my freerunner, no echo. On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 4:54 PM, Chris Samuel ch...@csamuel.org wrote: On Tuesday 10 March 2009, HouYu Li wrote: The binary with your echo suppression patch is now available at http://dashi-x02.karadog.net/~lihouyu/qtextended/snapbuild/http://dash i-x02.karadog.net/%7Elihouyu/qtextended/snapbuild/. build 20090310. Wow, that's fast work! Thanks! Have you tried the 4.4.3 version out yet ? -- Chris Samuel : http://www.csamuel.org/ : Melbourne, VIC This email may come with a PGP signature as a file. Do not panic. For more info see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenPGP ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: USB headset detection (Was: Pulster fixe(s) and rework)
On Sunday 08 March 2009, Andy Green wrote: Somebody in the thread at some point said: |1. Charger (maybe with Y-cable) connected. Detected by 47 kOhm seen on ID |pin. Set USB mode to host and turn off USB power supply. | |2. USB headset connected. Detected by ? Set USB mode to host and turn on |USB power supply. | |3. USB host connected. Detected by ? Set USB mode to device and turn off |USB power supply. ? here is meant to be ID pin level. But we don't supply a USB device breakout cable which would consistently do the right thing to ID, so it means we can't make decisions based on ID level like a normal OTG setup. We don't supply a USB device breakout cable at all, but we can specify how they should be made to do detection. Is there a standard set of ID levels for OTG that we could follow? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Using the FR as a bluetooth /wifi modem
On Monday 09 March 2009, KaZeR wrote: Hello list. Last week i was in holidays, far away from home. And the Internet. So i took my laptop, and setup a gprs connection using my Sony phone. Using bluetooth it's done within a breath : setup a rfcomm channel to the bluetooth serial port channel and you're almost done, using wvdial So two things came to my mind : 1) it would be nice to be able to do the same thing using the FR. 2) it would be even nicer to share the gprs connection from the FR using wifi Anybody already tried this? I expect it to work more like some other SonyEricsson phones that present a USB or Bluetooth network interface and allow the connecting machine to get networking details over DHCP. FSO has org.freesmartphone.Network.StartConnectionSharingWithInterface to do this, but I don't know whether it's been implemented yet. AdHoc connections may be possible over WiFi, but we can't behave as a basestation. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Another attempt at speeding up yaouh, with persistent connections
On Friday 06 March 2009, Helge Hafting wrote: Al Johnson wrote: On Thursday 05 March 2009, Helge Hafting wrote: Fixing this in advance is a better approach - but I'd rather spend time on a much better fix using libcurl. That would speed yaouh up further also. But this have to wait until someone ports pycurl to the freerunner. No porting needed - pycurl is in OE. bitbake python-pycurl I haven't yet set up any development tools, which is why I worked on a python program. Is there an ipk/opk file, or at least something that can be installed with tar? http://openmoko.truebox.co.uk/repos/mazikeen/fso-milestone5/ipk/armv4t/ I've a little housekeeping (and a lot of upload time) to do before it's a full repository, but individual python packages are there at the moment. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: How to install cli-framework on my Neo FreeRunner
2008.12 uses elements of QtExtended to provide its phone functionality. You can't simply install the freesmartphone.org framework on 2008.12 as the two will compete over resources such as the GSM interface, probably breaking both in the process. If you want to use the freesmartphone.org framework you will need to use a distro that supports it. That could be FSO, SHR, Debian, or possibly Gentoo. These can be installed to internal NAND, or to a partition on the SD card. You could even have a dual boot or multiboot setup - I have Android in NAND, and FSO milestone 4.1, SHR Unstable and FSO unstable on different SD partitions. These links should help you install your preferred distro: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Flashing_the_Neo_FreeRunner http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Booting_from_SD For FSO you should probably start with the Milestone 5.1 release: http://downloads.freesmartphone.org/fso-stable/milestone5.1/om-gta02/ SHR has install instructions here: http://www.shr-project.org/trac/wiki/Install Debian has a chunk of documentation here: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Debian On Friday 06 March 2009, sandilya b wrote: I am sorry. I think I did not understand what you said. Ok let me explain what I am doing. I am SSH'ing into my phone from my laptop and trying to run some python codes which will let me access the dbus for some phone specific features like IMEI number etc. However to get these values I was asked to use the cli-framework as it contains functions through which i can easily perform the activity. Now can I install all the features provided when I have only few present on my phone. -Sandy --- On Fri, 3/6/09, David Reyes Samblas Martinez da...@tuxbrain.com wrote: From: David Reyes Samblas Martinez da...@tuxbrain.com Subject: Re: How to install cli-framework on my Neo FreeRunner To: List for Openmoko community discussion community@lists.openmoko.org Date: Friday, March 6, 2009, 9:18 AM for use cli-framework you need the framework :), Actual Distros who have it , FSO, SHR, Debian and his derivates, ¿Gentoo? 2009/3/6 sandilya b san_dimi...@yahoo.com: I am having OM 2008.12 but it has only a few features when i checked the /usr/share/dbus-1/ folder. --- On Fri, 3/6/09, Timo Juhani Lindfors timo.lindf...@iki.fi wrote: From: Timo Juhani Lindfors timo.lindf...@iki.fi Subject: Re: How to install cli-framework on my Neo FreeRunner To: List for Openmoko community discussion community@lists.openmoko.org Date: Friday, March 6, 2009, 1:27 AM sandilya b san_dimi...@yahoo.com writes: I just got an openmoko freerunner phone and want to install cli-framework on it to use the various features of the d-bus system. Can someone help me with it? Which distro are you running? I think the phone is shipped with some om2007.X that does not offer org.freesmartphone api. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- David Reyes Samblas Martinez http://www.tuxbrain.com Open ultraportable embedded solutions Openmoko, Openpandora, GP2X the Wiz, Letux 400, Arduino Hey, watch out!!! There's a linux in your pocket!!! ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Another attempt at speeding up yaouh, with persistent connections
On Thursday 05 March 2009, Helge Hafting wrote: Fixing this in advance is a better approach - but I'd rather spend time on a much better fix using libcurl. That would speed yaouh up further also. But this have to wait until someone ports pycurl to the freerunner. No porting needed - pycurl is in OE. bitbake python-pycurl ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [SHR-ustable] gprs is also unstable
If you suffer from #1024 and haven't disabled deep sleep you will probably drop the connection on every reregistration. It may cause longer lasting problems with some networks too - after reregistration I couldn't get another connection for some time with O2 (UK) but didn't have problems with T-Mobile (UK). This is anecdotal rather than definitive as #1024 is intermittent, so I couldn't check the problem was repeatable. There was a problem reported with ppp being unable to resume due to the dynamic nature of the multiplexed port too, but that may have been fixed by now. On Tuesday 03 March 2009, Leonti Bielski wrote: Yes, I do :( I think this is because not in every place gprs is available all the time. When connection is lost it does not recover. I think it is more of FSo problem than SHR. Leonti On Tue, Feb 24, 2009 at 9:39 PM, ivvmm unachieva...@gmail.com wrote: Hello community, unstableness of SHR(which name claims stability) follows with instablity of GPRS connection. Several minutes and it is over, you have to restart it manually. Does anyone else experience this? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GTA03 Touchscreen Capacitive (was Re: OT: iPhone howto)
On Monday 02 March 2009, Margo Koppelmann wrote: On Thu, Feb 26, 2009 at 10:09 PM, Johny Tenfinger seba.d...@gmail.com wrote: Now I know, that I won't want to buy GTA03, even if I had enough money (ok ok, if only i was some millionaire i would buy it, but until i'm not, there are other possibilities to spend money :P). My using scenario of touch screen of Linux based phone needs resistive screen. Capacitive is not an option. But if the GTA03 would have a hardware keyboard and some joystick or trackball or something like this to use as a mouse, then the capacitive screen would not be a problem. Again that depends on usage scenario. For example can you sign your name with a trackball? Or use one with gloved hands? This is a case where there is AFAIK no one size fits all sensing technology; if there was then we wouldn't be having this discussion. Going to a capacitive screen will allow GTA03 to be used in some scenarios where GTA02 can't, and vice versa. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Feature overview out of the box SHR unstable distribution
On Tuesday 03 March 2009, Helge Hafting wrote: Pander wrote: It is more that it is available via easy to controls, i.e. my mother could use it. Settings should be fine. it is where you go to make changes. Rename GSM to Phone, and GSM antenna to Flight mode (and swap on/off around) Flight mode would need to disable WiFi and Bluetooth too. Or possibly just WiFi and Bluetooth, given that GSM picocells are now being deployed in some planes. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Word processing application
On Tuesday 03 March 2009, Leonti Bielski wrote: Hi! I'm looking for some kind of word processing application. I want to use my Freerunner in a library so I would not have to bring laptop with me - only the keyboard. I've heard of AbiWord, but can't manage to find an ipk package for it. Also, is there emacs package for Freerunner available? Can someone suggest something else for text editing? Which distro are you using? Abiword is one of the things I usually build myself, so I might have ipkgs available. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GTA03 Touchscreen Capacitive (was Re: OT: iPhone howto)
On Thursday 26 February 2009, Shawn Trash Thompson wrote: Ever used an iPhone? their screen is nice, responsive and the gui is designed where a stylus isn't needed. I actually was rather fond of the iPhone screen and was very unimpressed with the GTA02's touchscreen in comparison. I've tried both the iPhone and the G1, and the touch response was equally bad. They don't work well with my fingers. Perhaps my finger tips are too small, too dry, or the skin too thick, but my touches often just don't register. That's before getting to the lack of precision or the inability to use them while wearing gloves. Gloves are a real issue when I'm on my bike or snowboarding, but not detecting my fingertips would be a problem very day. Apple have produced an interface where the lack of precision (mostly) doesn't matter in their apps. I found the keyboard very frustrating, but that may have been down to not knowing some of its intricacies, as it was when I first encountered the illume keyboard. On the other hand the iPhone doesn't get to run apps that weren't designed for it, and which may actually need the precision. I'm not denying the advantages of capacitive touchscreens, but they do have drawbacks too. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Need for application like PC Suite from Nokia?
On Tuesday 24 February 2009, Alexander Mueller wrote: Excellent point. The Agenda PDA used this method of syncing or backing up. Well I use rsync a lot. But it is rather a one-way backup tool than a two way sync tool that takes care of collision resolving. Have you tried Unison? It does two way sync with conflict flagging, and works across platforms. Alex Timo Juhani Lindfors schrieb: Alexander Mueller xelarel...@web.de writes: Especially with the Openmoko this is true after reflashing the device. Why not just rsync your home directory? (And also, I have not reflashed my device for at least 6 months, using debian here..) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: OT: iPhone howto
On Tuesday 24 February 2009, The Digital Pioneer wrote: Whaaat? iPhone touchscreen can't be used with a stylus?? What is it, heat sensitive or something? Capacitive. Doesn't work with a stylus, fingernail or gloves. Not good if you have particularly dry fingertips either. The G1 has the same problem. You can get a special stylus for them, but the tip's about the size of a small fingertip. The advantage is you can use a relatively robust glass screen that's more pocket-proof than a resistive screen like the one on the OM. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Introducing CellHunter
As I understand it the reason for OSM changing license is that in some parts of the world copyright does not protect the content of a database because it is considered to be a collection of data not a creative work. To protect the database in those jurisdictions a contractual agreement is required. The Open Data License is an attempt at a license that will give CC-like protection to databases in all jurisdictions. Opencellid is in an identical position as far as I can see, so the Open Data License looks like the best bet unless anyone knows of something with similar coverage. On Sunday 22 February 2009, Thomas Landspurg wrote: Hello Robin, Thanks for poiting this out. Any thought on what license then should OpenCellID use? I would be happy if somebody with a good background on this would provide us a suggesiton on the license or even the wording to be used with OpenCellID. And sebastian, as I stated yesterday, congrat for the idea, I am looking forward for the integration between this effort and OpenCellID. Hi Sebastian, good to hear you're working on this project. i've been working on openstreetmap.org, a conceptually similar project, for a couple of years now - they are currently in the process of transitioning from cc-by-sa to a new license, specifically designed for databases, with the help of a lawyer or two. their theory is that cc is more for creative content, which is not really applicable to osm; this may be useful for your project too. more info here: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Open_Data_License ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [SHR-Unstable] Cannot get ophonekitd to use SIM
On Sunday 22 February 2009, The Digital Pioneer wrote: Hi. I just installed SHR unstable, and when I run ophonekitd, it dies with: Unknown SIM error: Antenna powered off or SIM not unlocked yet, 77 (dbus-glib-error-quark), code 32 SHR-Testing works fine, so what can I do to fix this? My SIM is not locked, to the best of my knowledge. You need to request the GSM resource then power up the antenna before trying to access anything else under GSM or SIM. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Need for application like PC Suite from Nokia?
On Sunday 22 February 2009, Marcel wrote: I like the idea. Doing setup on the Neo is quite painful from time to time, especially due to the lack of a hardware quertz keyboard. It does work nicely with USB and bluetooth keyboards. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [SHR unstable] bluez-utils bluez4
On Monday 23 February 2009, Jakob wrote: hi, when i try to install remoko on shr unstable opkg says this: Installing remoko (0.3.2) to root... Installing bluez-utils (3.33-r3) to root... Downloading http://shr.bearstech.com/shr-unstable/ipk//armv4t/bluez-utils_3.33-r3_armv4 t.ipk Collected errors: * Package bluez-utils wants to install file /etc/init.d/bluetooth But that file is already provided by package * bluez4 * Package bluez-utils wants to install file /etc/dbus-1/system.d/bluetooth.conf But that file is already provided by package * bluez4 Is bluez-utils the same package as bluez4, only a newer version? bluez4 provides the 4.x branch of bluez rather than the 3.x branch. It should provide the same functionality, but some bits may work differently. You could try to install without dependencies to see if remoko will work with bluez4. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: yaml rule to stop suspending when using gps
On Saturday 21 February 2009, Johny Tenfinger wrote: Now you can enable and disable auto-suspending and auto-dimming in shr-settings (under Power settings there are two toggles). That's the answer to a different question though. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: thoughts on A-GPS offline
On Wednesday 18 February 2009, Cédric Berger wrote: On Wed, Feb 18, 2009 at 16:52, Helge Hafting helge.haft...@hist.no wrote: Timo Juhani Lindfors wrote: mqy meng.qing...@gmail.com writes: It is not a problem that user account is required when download u-blox online aiding data. It is a problem since u-blox might go out of business and you might not want to tell them where you are all time. Their server also might be down. There are plenty of reasons to remove dependency to any single party. It is possible to start an open service, with mirrors. Interested people can set their freerunners to send in good aiding data when they have it (i.e. when using the gps and a network is available.) Infos downloaded from u-blox are only valid for some time. So if server is down for more than just a short time, it won't help much. And I did not check but not I am not sure u-blox terms of service allow to redistribute... I may be misunderstanding the suggestion, but I don't think it had anything to do with data from ublox. The suggestion was to use data sent by other freerunner users instead of the data supplied by ublox. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Best thing to run on Freerunner and Neo1973 machines today?
On Wednesday 18 February 2009, Daniel Benoy wrote: I'm having lots of fun with Debian. I put an 8GB card in my freerunner, [snip] I'm also interested trying to set up some VoIP stuff but I've yet to find any really suitable software. linphone should be available for debian. It won't switch mixer states automatically but it should at least work. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Bicycle Power adaptor for Freerunner
On Tuesday 17 February 2009, Alexander Mueller wrote: Hey all, is anybody out there who is using the FR on longer trips for navigation and/or geocaching? How did you solve the power problem? I would love to have an adapter from my hub generator for the Freerunner. Should not be too difficult. Something to convert AC to DC and then maybe some switching thing to getthe right voltage (DC/DC converter or what). Does anybody have a solution or some hints? I have run a Psion 5 and Garmin GPS from my lightspin generator. I used a bridge of schottky diodes and a capacitor to get DC, and the car PSU to feed them their nominal 6V and 3.3V. The car PSU used ordinary fixed voltage linear regulators. The Psion only starts using external power at 5.5V and this was available above ~12mph with this setup. The lightspin needs another tweak, but that's because it's rather an unusual generator. The voltage characteristics of different dynamos vary somewhat under load, but if you use schottky diodes for the bridge and a low dropout 5V regulator you will probably be ok from fairly low speeds. The schottky diodes have a lower voltage drop than normal rectifier diodes which is the reason to use them in this case. Charging a battery would be a better solution, as someone else suggested, but would be more complicated. to implement well. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [SHR unstable] Openmoko headset
On Friday 13 February 2009, Tony Berth wrote: Dear List, how can I avoid to have the Openmoko headset AND the speaker working at the same time? Where I plug-in the headset, people around me can listen to the conversation from the speaker! Also, how can I increase the volume in the headset cause the default one is very low! You can hardly understand the person you are calling. Currently this doesn't seem to be automatic in any of the distros. The generic answer is to activate gsmheadset.state, and adjust the volume settings in it to match your preference. The correct way to do this will vary depending on which distro you are using. The most generic is to use alsactl: alsactl -f /usr/share/openmoko/scenarios/gsmheadset.state restore FSO has a dbus interface for this, and a rules engine that may be able to handle the switching if the phone app doesn't. The dbus call can be made from the command line: mdbus -s org.freesmartphone.odeviced /org/freesmartphone/Device/Audio org.freesmartphone.Device.Audio.PushScenario gsmheadset Another option may be pymixer - see link at end of [1] In either case you will need to run this after the start of the call as the phone app is likely to load gsmhandset.state when you pick up the call. [1] http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_Freerunner_audio_subsystem ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Opensatnav project requires help, especially from a coder (or 2).
There are already a number of open satnav apps that work on multiple platforms, handheld ones included. pyroute and navit spring immediately to mind as ones that have been shown working on Openmoko handsets. I guess the problem for you is that they won't run under Android, but they might be helpful references for routing algorithms. On Friday 13 February 2009, Chris Andrew wrote: Hi, all. Sorry about the shameless request for help! I am currently using AndNav2 (http://www.andnav.org/) on my Google G1 'phone (not as open as I thought it would be). Regardless of my repeated attempts, the core of this satnav application remains closed-source (proprietary). This has brought me to thinking that it would be much better to produce an open source alternative. My idea is to develop initially for the G1 and for Openmoko, and then port to other embedded devices, as interest grows. At the moment, I am using Openstreetmap as a place to record my ideas (http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Opensatnav.org). I'd really appreciate it if anybody on the list could take a moment to have a look at my ideas. So that the list moderators don't get upset, please email me personally if you are interested in the project. Many thanks for taking the time to read this. Cheers, Chris. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Questions about the usability of GTA02
On Tuesday 10 February 2009, Erland Lewin wrote: 2009/1/31 Tschaka stuff4tsch...@gmx.net 2) Calls My main problem with the FR at the moment is that the volume in the built-in earpiece, and wired headset as well are way too low. It works in a quiet indoor environment, but on a busy street I can hardly hear that someone is talking on the phone at all, and in a room with other people talking in the background, it is difficult to hear the person at the other end. Does anyone else have this problem? I'm surprised it isn't discussed more. Volume is subjectively comparable to that on my SE K700i. Both have volume controls, and both manage a level I'm happy with, even before messing with CLVL. This prevents me from using the FR as a daily phone, because I need to be able to answer calls even when I'm out and about. My impression is that this is a hardware limitation, and that even with max volume from the GSM chip to the audio codec (CLVL=255), and maximum Alsa volumes, the volume won't be high enough from the earpiece. Either we have a different expectation of required volume or your hardware is different from mine, assuming you adjusted the mixer settings correctly. I think the only way around this is to use a Bluetooth headset, but I don't think the Bluetooth headset profile works in the version of the bluetooth stack (bluez-3) that's on the Freerunner now. I'm sure Angus Ainslie reported he had it working some time ago with bluez-3. I thought it was just the A2DP part that may require bluez-4. I haven't got a bluetooth headset so I haven't tried either though. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [FSO m5] Cannot register to network (KPN-NL SIM) but can make phonecalls.
On Saturday 07 February 2009, Bas wrote: Al Johnson wrote: The Dictionary looks like the content of a GSM network status update signal from the framework, and the values indicate it's registered to the home network for that SIM. I don't know why it thinks registration failed. Zhone seems to require the key provider (atleast so far I can see in the source). That key doesnt seems to be available with my setuo. 'provider' is an optional value. Only 'registration', 'mode' and 'act' are mandatory. That makes it a Zhone bug I guess. http://git.freesmartphone.org/?p=specs.git;a=blob_plain;f=html/org.freesmartphone.GSM.Network.html;hb=HEAD#GetStatus ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: More pictures of the leather case.
On Sunday 08 February 2009, Matthias Apitz wrote: El día Saturday, February 07, 2009 a las 11:11:41PM +0100, David Reyes Samblas Martinez escribió: I have uploaded more detailed pictures of the leather case here http://www.tuxbrain.net/shop/product_info.php?products_id=42language=en I hope you enjoy them. For more info don't hesitate to contact me Gracias por las fotos detalladas, estaba pensando en comprarlo, pero ahora ya no. Thanks for the detailed pictures, I was thinking in bying, even if I have to say that the price, 10% of the FR more or less, seems very high; but there are two things I can see now and which IMHO are weak points: 1. it is only attached with a clip to the belt, and not with a loop; you may easy loose your lovely FR; If it used a loop you wouldn't be able to use it as a desk stand. I have used some very secure belt clips and some very poor ones, but couldn't judge them from a photo. 2. more important, the position of the FR is horizontal and not upright, not so good for GPS, I think; GPS is fine horizontal (more or less) on my handlebars, so I don't think that will be a problem. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [SHR] Why is the Powerbutton sometimes red and sometimes blue while loading
On Saturday 07 February 2009, arne anka wrote: well, it's short for akkumulator -- replace kk with cc and, according to my dictionary, it is part of english too -- with the same meaning. It does exist, but is rarely used. 50 to 100 years ago it was more common. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [FSO m5] Cannot register to network (KPN-NL SIM) but can make phonecalls.
On Saturday 07 February 2009, arne anka wrote:
Ok, i have the logging. I dont see anything strange,
i, otoh, do:
2009-02-07 19:38:36,517 INFO network status changed:
dbus.Dictionary({dbus.String(u'strength'): dbus.Int32(89,
variant_level=1), dbus.String(u'cid'): dbus.String(u'3539',
variant_level=1), dbus.String(u'act'): dbus.String(u'GSM',
variant_level=1), dbus.String(u'lac'): dbus.String(u'1190',
variant_level=1), dbus.String(u'mode'): dbus.String(u'automatic',
variant_level=1), dbus.String(u'registration'): dbus.String(u'home',
variant_level=1)}, signature=dbus.Signature('sv'))
2009-02-07 19:38:36,528 DEBUG Failed to register to network
2009-02-07 19:38:36,904 INFO network status changed:
dbus.Dictionary({dbus.String(u'strength'): dbus.Int32(89,
Signal strength
variant_level=1), dbus.String(u'cid'): dbus.String(u'3539',
Cell ID
variant_level=1), dbus.String(u'act'): dbus.String(u'GSM',
variant_level=1), dbus.String(u'lac'): dbus.String(u'1190',
LAC - a location code
variant_level=1), dbus.String(u'mode'): dbus.String(u'automatic',
Automatic network selection, as opposed to the user telling it to connect to a
specific network
variant_level=1), dbus.String(u'registration'): dbus.String(u'home',
Registered to your home network
variant_level=1)}, signature=dbus.Signature('sv'))
2009-02-07 19:38:36,934 DEBUG Failed to register to network
2009-02-07 19:38:37,011 DEBUG SIM is ready: 1
according to this, registration fails. and yet, sim reports ready.
i don't understand, what the values of that dbus.Dictionary returned mean,
but my first guess is rather a framework problem, not a zhone one.
The Dictionary looks like the content of a GSM network status update signal
from the framework, and the values indicate it's registered to the home
network for that SIM. I don't know why it thinks registration failed.
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Re: Camera and 3G
On Friday 06 February 2009, cruz wrote: On Fri, Feb 6, 2009 at 1:12 AM, Al Johnson openm...@mazikeen.demon.co.uk wrote: reason 3G is unlikely in the near future. 3G will have to come at some point though, as telcos in some countries are hoping to turn off 2G. The 2G frequency is a licensed band, telcos lease it from the authority, which means once the contract is expired, telcos will no longer be entitled to use the Frequency anymore. The details vary by according to the local licensing regime. In the UK the license currently specifies the usage, and there is no guarantee that you can renew your license when it expires. The government are looking at changing this to encourage the telcos to invest in extending the 3G network as coverage is currently not as good as 2G. Have a look at Lord Carter's interim report, or suggestions over the last few years from Ofcom, and the positive reaction to the suggestion from the telcos here. Why would a 2G/3G operator want to dismantle its 2G network? Big money was invested on building the 2G infrastructure, it is still generating revenue, unless the OPEX for the 2G network is too high, but as far as I know most 2G networks are still performing better than the 3G network. 2G also acts (IRAT) as a backup role for 3G CS service when the 3G capacity is reached maximum... Switching from 2G to 3G in the current 2G bands gives them more 3G capacity so they need the backup less, and gives better building penetration so 3G is less likely to drop out. We have a saturated market, so the only way for them to grow is to get more cash out of each user, and 3G gives them more chance of that than 2G. Presumably they think the potential increase in revenue is worth the investment in switching over, assuming long term licensing is guaranteed. The only people who wish to see 2G being turned off are the people like myself who hate being radiated by so many frequencies, I live in Taipei, we have three 2G(GSM)/3G(WCDMA) operators, one CDMA operator, one PHS, one Public Wi-Fi, many unlicensed home wi-fi... Thanks, cruz ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: 2.6.28 kernel and modutils
On recent SHR and probably FSO (haven't got MS5 going yet) connman is taking control of usb0 and trying o use dhcp to get an address. Since I have a bridged configuration on the machine I plug it into this actually succeeds, but for most people it will fail to get an address. In either case ifdown usb0 then ifup usb0 gives it the configuration found in /etc/network/interfaces which is what people are used to seeing. On Thursday 05 February 2009, Dylan Reilly wrote: Yeah, I realized *just* after I sent the email that it was networking that changed and not a kernel problem. Of course, now I have to figure out why the interface is not coming up automatically. Sorry for the noise. On Thu, Feb 5, 2009 at 4:44 PM, Jan Vlug jan.pub...@famvlug.nl wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Did you try at the FreeRunner: ifdown usb0 ifup usb0 Then on your computer connected to the FreeRunner (as root): ifconfig usb0 192.168.0.200 netmask 255.255.255.0 ssh 192.168.0.202 This works for me Dylan Reilly wrote: | I am attempting to discover a good set of modules to load when using | 2.6.28 as packaged through fso/shr. The tar.gz of the images do not | seem to contain enough module references in /etc/modutils to replicate | the base functionality that was present in 2008.12. Is there some list | I can reference as I am not well versed in what module does what? | | In the very least, I would like to have usb ethernet working so I can | get the rest working by trial and error :^) I can get the device to | register via usb networking by loading usbserial and cdc_ether. | However, I am presented with no route to host when attempting to | communicate over TCP/IP. I assume this means I am missing something | vital to the networking stack. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkmLXbYACgkQvuFuLCp9giBO8wCgnAPLlPULtrkVQ2tLcK0+FsXt UQcAnjGqs2VA1xu9irX0IlvtMig7rWgk =8rSO -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [All] FR survey and locations
On Thursday 05 February 2009, Helge Hafting wrote: Joel Newkirk wrote: On Tue, 3 Feb 2009 21:46:09 -0200, Pablo Miño pablodanielm...@gmail.com wrote: How do I find out what version my neo is? Do I have to open it? http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Finding_hardware_revision That page has several ways of finding the revision, and they seem to give conflicting results: /proc/cpuinfo: Hardware: GTA02 Revision: 0360 Serial : So, a gta02.v06? Correct. I guess this is in NAND somewhere, written at manufacture. $ mickeyterm at+cgmr +CGMR: HW: GTA02BV5, GSM: gsm_ac_gp_fd_pu_em_cph_ds_vc_cal35_ri_36_amd8_ts0-Moko10 A gta02.v5? This one depends on the GSM firmware version I think. AFAIK there is only one moko10 firmware image, so it may report the same version on all hardware. Did you upgrade to moko10 manually, or did it ship like that? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: microsoft patent with idea's from this list
On Thursday 05 February 2009, Helge Hafting wrote: arne anka wrote: (http://v3.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/description?CC=WONR=2009012 344A2KC=A2FT=Ddate=20090122DB=EPODOClocale=en_US) i didn't read it fully, but how does that differ from a simple hub or the common docking station well known to notebook users? and it what respect exactly is it not obvious? Yeah, it is jsut like the docking stations used for laptops. Doing exactly the same with a *phone*, now that phones almost are notebooks - wasn't obvious to microsoft or that patent office, it seems. The patent office sees obviousness differently to engineers. Having a patent for something on a tractor for a particular reason doesn't stop someone getting a patent on the exact same thing for the same reason on a fork lift. Somehow it isn't obvious that if it works in one situation it'll also work in a similar one. They see moving the idea from one type of vehicle to another as an inventive step rather than an application of the blindingly obvious. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Camera and 3G
On Thursday 05 February 2009, Javier Garcia wrote: any plan for a smartphone with camera and 3G? I doubt you'll get a solid answer on that one until close to release (Osbourne effect has been mentioned) but GTA03 was rumoured to have camera, but EDGE (2.5G) rather than 3G. See the link below, and the rest of its thread, for the reason 3G is unlikely in the near future. 3G will have to come at some point though, as telcos in some countries are hoping to turn off 2G. http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2008-December/038395.html ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Accelerometers in Kernel 2.6.28-rc4
On Wednesday 04 February 2009, Michael Tansella wrote: ifconfig usb0 192.168.0.202 netmask 255.255.255.0 up Finally this made my day. I never had to do that before. Assuming MS5 is similar to recent SHR this is because connman is taking over management of the network interfaces, and trying to get an address for usb0 using dhcp. The settings in /etc/network/interfaces will be used if you use: ifdown usb0 ifup usb0 I haven't tried using the connman dbus interface to set a static address yet, but I guess that should work too. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: MyPaint 0.6
On Tuesday 03 February 2009, Michele Renda wrote: On 03/02/2009 17:18, Al Johnson wrote: It seems there is pressure info available from the hardware, but that it's not been possible to get it consistent over the whole screen. For more on what's actually being done see: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Touchscreen_Filters I'd like to ask, if someone installed this program (or another painting program) if has problem when is drawing. I explain: go on upper conner and draw something. Then put the pen up, and make a point in the bottom part of the screen: To me it happen that a line go from up to down, like I never putted up the pen. Someone else is experiencing the same problem? That sounds similar to a problem with numptyphysics which I think was fixed, though I don't know the details. That used to draw lines from the last point of pen up rather than the first pen down. I certainly don't see this with the sketch app in FSO MS 4.1. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Report] - Buzz fix
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Re: [Om2008.x] UMTS based on USB adapter
On Tuesday 03 February 2009, Matthias Apitz wrote: is there any way to use something like an USB-splitter to connect the USB of the FR to the modem and at the same time to a laptop? I don't think that'll be possible. You need the FR to be a USB host to connect to the modem, but a USB client to connect to the laptop. It is switchable between the two modes, but can't be both at the same time. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: microsoft patent with idea's from this list
On Tuesday 03 February 2009, Gothnet wrote: Peter Nijs wrote: I'm almost sure someone suggested hooking up an external screen to it. That's technically not possible Isn't it? You can get external USB gfx cards these days. Whether FR has the power to drive one, or if there are FOSS drivers, I have no idea. IIRC the problem was that nobody could find one that would work with USB 1.1 because the bandwidth requirement was too high. Alternative proposals involved something like VNC or NX, but the display adaptor would end up being a more powerful linux box than the phone. It's probably a simple enough thing to make with a beagleboard. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: MyPaint 0.6
On Tuesday 03 February 2009, Konstantin wrote: Michele Renda schrieb: On 02/02/2009 23:05, Joachim Breitner wrote: these look as if the FreeRunner’s touch screen actually gives pressure input to the application. Is that really the case? I read from [1] it support pressure input and on some tables it run. But I don't know if really FR is able to give pressure indication to MyPaint. I highly doubt that the fr is able to do that - the graphics tablets I know rely on a stylus with a special tip with suspension to achieve different pressure levels, so I don't think it is possible with a normal resistive touchscreen. Resistive touchscreens have a completely different operating principle to graphics tablets, so you can't make that assumption. It would be like assuming a guitar pick would work as a stylus on an iphone because it works on gta02. It seems there is pressure info available from the hardware, but that it's not been possible to get it consistent over the whole screen. For more on what's actually being done see: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Touchscreen_Filters ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [FSO] unable to install zhone
On Monday 02 February 2009, Kosa wrote: Hi there, I saw waiting for MS5 to try FSO, but since it's not ready yet I decided to try MS4, but it does not come with any phone SF and I wanted to try zhone, but I just can't. MS4 and MS4.1 both had zhone when I tried them, but you have to pick the correct image as there were 3 types with varying levels of included packages: * openmoko-fso-console-image - no X, just the bits needed to get the framework running without a GUI * openmoko-fso-illume-image - minimal X and illume, but no zhone etc. * openmoko-fso-image - X, illume, zhone and other apps MS4.1 is probably a better choice as it fixed a few bugs in MS4. opkg install zhone complains about libpython version, but versions seems to be ok. The unstable feeds are most of the way to MS5 now, and probably don't provide a clean upgrade path from MS4 any more. Your best bet is to pick the right MS4.1 image above, or wait a few days for MS5. Another option is to use the repository tree at: http://openmoko.truebox.co.uk/repos/mazikeen/fso-testing/ipk/ This hasn't been updated for some time, so should still work with MS4. r...@om-gta02:~# opkg install zhone Installing zhone (0.0.2+gitr0+d9d0a80e5444cd24b5e14082bb10e8d2cdd01fe8-r11) to root... Downloading http://downloads.freesmartphone.org/fso-unstable/feeds/armv4t/zhone_0.0.2+g itr0+d9d0a80e5444cd24b5e14082bb10e8d2cdd01fe8-r11_armv4t.ipk Collected errors: * ERROR: Cannot satisfy the following dependencies for zhone: * libpython2.5-1.0 (= 2.5.2) * r...@om-gta02:~# opkg list_installed |grep libpython libpython2.6-1.0 - 2.6.1-ml0 - r...@om-gta02:~# This happens with fso testing and unstable. fso stable comes with zhone preinstalled, but it fails after opkg upgrade any hints? Thanks in advance. Kosa - Un mundo mejor es posible - ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Qt Extended update ?
On Saturday 31 January 2009, Joerg Lippmann wrote: Am Montag 26 Januar 2009 schrieb HouYu Li: On Mon, Jan 26, 2009 at 10:27 AM, Chris Samuel ch...@csamuel.org wrote: Does anyone know if there's any updates for Qt Extended in the pipeline ? I am looking forward to it. Does the silence here mean that no one here is working on QtE or that no one can/wants to give any information? Probably. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [All] To build a better music player
On Friday 30 January 2009, Al Johnson wrote: On Friday 30 January 2009, Joel Newkirk wrote: On Fri, 30 Jan 2009 09:31:21 +, Al Johnson openm...@mazikeen.demon.co.uk wrote: On Friday 30 January 2009, Joel Newkirk wrote: Any idea where I can find python-pyalsaaudio? not found on SHR, can't find a package anywhere. (except armv7a at angstrom) This one should work with python 2.6 http://openmoko.truebox.co.uk/repos/mazikeen/fso-milestone5/python- pyalsaaudio_0.4-ml0_armv4t.ipk ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [All] To build a better music player
On Friday 30 January 2009, Joel Newkirk wrote: Any idea where I can find python-pyalsaaudio? not found on SHR, can't find a package anywhere. (except armv7a at angstrom) http://openmoko.truebox.co.uk/repos/mazikeen/fso-testing/ipk/armv4t/python- pyalsaaudio_0.3-ml0_armv4t.ipk ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [SHR] could SHR play streaming mp3?
On Friday 30 January 2009, Giorgio Marciano wrote: Hi to all, is SHR capable of playing streaming mp3? my idea is to create a client for the seeqpod.com service! The problem is that SHR doesn't include mp3 support...am i right? It doesn't out of the box, but you can always build the packages yourself, or find someone in a friendly jurisdiction to do it for you. If you look at the recent messages about pythm with a gstreamer backend you might find some good example code too. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [All] To build a better music player
On Friday 30 January 2009, Joel Newkirk wrote: On Fri, 30 Jan 2009 09:31:21 +, Al Johnson openm...@mazikeen.demon.co.uk wrote: On Friday 30 January 2009, Joel Newkirk wrote: Any idea where I can find python-pyalsaaudio? not found on SHR, can't find a package anywhere. (except armv7a at angstrom) http://openmoko.truebox.co.uk/repos/mazikeen/fso-testing/ipk/armv4t/python- pyalsaaudio_0.3-ml0_armv4t.ipk Thanks. Unfortunately it's still unhappy, due to the change to python2.6. It's not been updated in a while. I'm building FSO milestone 5 at the moment which includes the change to python 2.6, so when that's done I should be able to provide a new binary, probably sometime tomorrow. I guess I should request it be added to the task list for FSO and/or SHR. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [SHR] latest unstable does really work???
I have a vague memory of the busybox ping working with addresses but not with names. It might be worth trying with an IP address instead. On Friday 30 January 2009, Alexandre Girard wrote: same result: r...@om-gta02 ~ $ ping www.google.com ping: bad address 'www.google.com' On 30/01/2009, at 17:22, kimaidou wrote: I think you should try to add the 3 w : ping www.google.com 2009/1/30 Alexandre Girard alx.gir...@gmail.com I've tried, maybe it comes fron the internet share on my mac side? r...@om-gta02 ~ $ echo nameserver 208.67.222.222 /etc/resolv.conf r...@om-gta02 ~ $ ping google.com ping: bad address 'google.com' ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [SHR] illume predictive keyboard is too slow
On Thursday 29 January 2009, Michal Brzozowski wrote: 2009/1/29 Olof Sjobergh olo...@gmail.com It did not mean all possible misspellings should be included, only the normalisation which removes accented chars etc. So for normal English, there would be almost no extra size compared to now. The current way of correcting typos by checking all combinations from neighbouring keys would work just like today. Ok, now I understand. This is a very good idea then. Is there any explanation available on how the keyboard does typo correcting? I mean the algorithm it uses. The wiki page links to a thread where Raster explains the process in great detail. http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Illume_keyboard http://lists.openmoko.org/nabble.html#nabble-td2115715 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [SHR] Miscellanious minor issues
On Thursday 29 January 2009, Helge Hafting wrote: Pander wrote: Found it now. Was looking with another person who also knows the Om2008 release for over 10 minutes without any luck. But we overlooked the qwerty on the 'right' side. We were really fooled by only looking on the left side LOL I too wish the keyboard was accessible with a *single* click, like it is in Om. The keyboard gets a lot of use. I asked about the same thing a while back. Raster's reply was: it's that way because slowly i'm expecting toolkits to be able to auto-popup or apps - it's still there, but i moved it away to make more room on the top bar for other things. it's laid out by theme so it can be changed - but the default is aimed more at the state of things how they should be right now The full thread's here for context: http://markmail.org/thread/p54qiy6635oogma7 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: handset volume,,
On Wednesday 28 January 2009, Chris Syntichakis wrote: I know the low handset volume is mentioned on the wiki too, but is there any patch/solution? I out the alsa setting to 127 (the high value) but I am not too happy... The reason for there not being a patch is that everyone's preferences are different. You need to adjust the settings in the appropriate state file (gsmhandset.state for phone calls) to get settings you are happy with. Angus Ainslie's pymixer should help you with that if you don't want to use a text editor. I think 2008.12 added a volume slider to the phone gui that uses an extra volume control in the gsm chipset, so that might help if you are using that distro. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Alsa state chooser
On Wednesday 28 January 2009, TL Mieszkowski wrote: KaZeR wrote: First example on top of my head : you are listening to music via your headset, and you unplug it : if in a public place, it might be convenient to pause media player to avoid bothering your neighboors. My other phone behaves like that and i find it convenient and respectful for the other people. I'm nobody, but that is so contrived it comes no where near convincing me that such a non-UNIXy system is the right way. Contrived? It's an example of good behaviour by an existing phone, so it's a real world example. Several people have asked about unusual audio routing configurations for specific applications. If another app changes the mixer settings then these apps will not work correctly, so it would be beneficial for them to handle this gracefully. To do this they need notification of the change in mixer setting. Changing the entire mixer scenario strikes me as being too coarse a control, but I haven't heard of any better proposals for abstraction. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Alsa state chooser
On Tuesday 27 January 2009, TL Mieszkowski wrote: I'm not sure what the status of the Dbus sound stuff is, but I wrote a little program to choose the alsa state file with a simple gui. Attached is the code in anyone is interested. All it is is 1 button for each state file, very simplistic, uses elementary. (which btw kicks ass Raster) You would run it like so: scalpel `ls -1 /usr/share/openmoko/scenarios/` meh, whatever, works for me -Tim http://n2.nabble.com/file/n224/scalpel.c scalpel.c The FSO API can list and change the alsa scenarios with stack based management. It will also send a signal on scenario change so that interested apps are aware of it. See: http://git.freesmartphone.org/?p=specs.git;a=blob_plain;f=html/org.freesmartphone.Device.Audio.html;hb=HEAD ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: buzz fix
On Monday 26 January 2009, Christoph Siegenthaler wrote: are there any updates from resellers, FIC or any half-official DIY-tutorials on the hardware problems, i.e. the buzzing? The current tutorial is here: http://people.openmoko.org/joerg/GSM_EMI_noise/big-C_rework_SOP_rc2.pdf This appears to have benefited from feedback regarding capacitor types from the few people so far to have attempted the mod, but more feedback is requested. The lack of feedback from people trying it may be why it hasn't yet made it past release candidate stage. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: what tests for (non working) 3G SIM?
On Tuesday 27 January 2009, Chris Syntichakis wrote: Hi, I see.. Today I tested the card with a Nokia 1110i , it said card rejected, then I did a test with a samsung c170 and I got the message SIM crashed (LOL) That mirrors my experience with a friend's 3 SIM last week. This one was bought with one of their USB data dongles. After my GTA02 with moko10 rejected the SIM we tried it in his Nokia Communcator which also failed to recognise it. If you look at 3's TCs you will see that it's a violation to use the SIM in a non-3G device anyway. Thanx for the tip about O2.. Also works with t-mobile, Virgin and Orange. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: buzz fix (was: Pulster offer - Freerunner now 249 eur)
On Tuesday 27 January 2009, Helge Hafting wrote: Al Johnson wrote: On Tuesday 13 January 2009, Yorick Moko wrote: buzz and gsm fixes are even documented on the wiki (no need to search in the e-mails) only the audio-fix (big capacitator to provide more bass isn't; hoping to see that one documented as well There's some fairly detailed discussion of audio mods on the hardware list which could be copied into the wiki, but there is no 'official' mod. I suspect there won't be one either, mostly because big caps won't fit in the space available, and relocating them to outside the screening can could easily reintroduce buzz. Another option: Short the too small capacitors, so there are no capacitors at all. Then add the big caps outside the screeming, but this time with no need to connect to anything inside the screening. Just break the connection anywhere, and insert a nice big cap. The easiest place of all then, is obviously to add the caps to the headset. Of course then you only have one useable headset. Yes, that's one of the options discussed, along with some resistors you might like to remove. You could put the caps in a 2.5mm to 3.5mm ( or even 1/4in) adaptor cable to make it usable with generic headphones. I don't personally like this solution for 2 reasons; one day I will forget and stick dc on a headset, and it will probably prevent use of the serial debug interface to the gsm. The second objection won't be a consideration for the vast majority of people though. Or break the connection between the plug and circuit board, and put the caps somewhere inside. There is lots of room above the SIM card. This is harder than it sounds IIRC, but feel free to try. I had my eye on that space for caps too as the existing caps are very close to it. You could make a small hole in the screening can to pass the wires through, but would need to be careful to avoid creating an rf pathway. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Bass fix
On Tuesday 27 January 2009, Paul Fertser wrote: Paul Fertser fercer...@gmail.com writes: I propose to look at the page where i outlined my rework: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GTA02_bass_fix Of course, that's only my take on implementation, the rework itself was proposed and evaluated by Joerg Reisenweber, who also gave many practical tips on how to do it best and how to test the results. Your component placement is exactly what I proposed on the hardware list. It's good to know it works. I was slightly worried by the proximity to the bluetooth antenna. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Alsa state chooser
On Wednesday 28 January 2009, TL Mieszkowski wrote: WM8753.pdf pg 27: MICBIAS CURRENT DETECT The WM8753L includes a microphone bias current detect circuit which allows the user to set thresholds for the microphone bias current, above which an interrupt will be triggered. I think this appears as /dev/input/eventX and should be available in FSO's rules.yaml if it isn't available as a direct notification. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Conflict when several apps use the accelerometers?
On Monday 26 January 2009, Helge Hafting wrote: Hendrik Siedelmann wrote: Get higher gps accuracy using accelerometer data (or use it when driving through a tunnel) would be a nice example. That'd be interesting. Do anyone know the precision of the accelerometers? Assuming, of course, that one has a car mount so the phone has a known orientation relative to the car. How long tunnels would be feasible? Where I live, there are some 4km tunnels that curve slightly, and a shorter one with a roundabout inside. :-/ Usually, one also uses the car speedometer for this. I have a box that converts this to serial - perhaps a serial to usb converter could be used to connect the phone. Could do. The other thing that would work in many cars would be a USB CAN bus adaptor. This may give access to other useful signals too. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: shr- GPS howto?
On Monday 26 January 2009, Helge Hafting wrote: arne anka wrote: slot. If it isn't there, then your phone have this problem. not necessarily. in fact, if you really have this problem you didn't update your kernel a very long time. the gps/sd card fix is in all kernels available for a very long time now, the hw fix is not necessary. Really? The problem was noise from the SDcard electronics disturbing the gps receiver. The software fix was to turn the sdcard clock off while the card isn't actively used. But that don't help at all if the card _is_ in use most of the time - for example if you're running your linux distribution from the card. Or are playing songs stored on the card. Or have your map tiles on the card. That is only half the software fix. The other half reduces the default drive strength on all the SD signal lines. This is similar in effect to putting a capacitor on all the signal lines, not just the clock line that is affected by the hardware mod. I have no difference in GPS performance if rootfs is in NAND or on SD, and I have no hardware mod. The capacitor makes the SDcard less noisy - even when it is being used all the time. I can get a fix and use the gps while listening to music, for example. So can I, but I don't have the hardware mod ;-) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: FSO unstable upgrade errors alsa-states and initscripts-openmoko
On Thursday 15 January 2009, qhaz wrote: From this site images have been posted on a fairly regular basis. For example, the current kernel image is uImage-2.6.28-oe1+gitr34240a1c06ae36180dee695aa25bbae869b2aa26-r2-om-gta02. bin which appeared on Jan 13th. The latest rootfs image is . . . openmoko-fso-image-glibc-ipk--20090115-om-gta02.rootfs.jffs2 which was appeared on Jan 15th. I cannot boot from any rootfs from this site after their Jan 8th rootfs. My FR stalls during startup before any X stuff is loaded. The last message I see before it stalls says . . . Starting freesmartphone.org gpsd comptibility daemon: (OK) Then just hangs there . . . It isn't actually hung - the last init script has run, there is no X in those images to start, so you are just seeing the last console output. I don't know if this is intentional, but it may be part of a cleanup in preparation for Milestone 5. It is a nightly build from the unstable branch after all ;0) Can you recommend any other source where I can try an FSO install? Use the Milestone 4.1 image for something known to mostly work. Nightly builds are pot luck - some are rather good, but not all. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Is there an echo-free distro?
The echo heard by the other party is influenced by the entire loop from their mic through the telco(s) to the Freerunner earpiece, through the air and/or casework to the Freerunner mic and back through the telco(s) to their earpiece. If there isn't enough gain around the loop then they won't hear echo. If echo suppression or cancellation is used effectively anywhere in the loop then they won't hear echo - this could be done by your telco. The degree of coupling between the Freerunner mic and earpiece may vary from phone to phone, so you might just have a sample with little coupling. On Thursday 15 January 2009, SCarlson wrote: There must be some other things influencing this. I have NEVER had an Echo issue. I have Revision A5 and have used pretty much every distro. Possibly, SIM Card and Service Provider nuances? I always read about the echo, echo fix etc.. and have just never had an issue. I live in NE USA and use ATT with an old Cingular SIM card (grandfathered in when they merged). -Scott Yogiz wrote: Hi, I'm currently using a quite customized but up to date version of Om2008.9 testing (equal to Om2008.12?). It otherwise wonderful but I still can't use the Freerunner as a normal cellphone with it yet as I still get echo on the other side both for calls coming in and for the ones going out. My other phone is basically falling apart so I'll need to move to Freerunner for phone calls as well so I'd like to ask, which distros are currently the best for it. As I've understood the FSO does not have the echo problem [citation needed] so I thought I'd move to that. Are there any better options? I'd prefer a distro where I can use opkg but If none of these have decent call quality then I'll settle for something else. Yogiz ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [om2008-9] Never able to successfully backup the jffs2 partition...
On Wednesday 14 January 2009, john dowd wrote: Well I tried the NeoTool but it has its limitations. I was going to copy my current configuration to the uSD card as the backup. I tried the wiki page Booting From SD and was going to prepare the uSD card by partitioning it. I then saw that there is an entry: /dev/mmcblk0p1 49792048497872 0% /media/card when I do a df. When I go to the mount point I found this file: qtopia_db.sqlite What the heck is this file doing there? qtopia has an option to index media files on the SD, and this is enabled by default on the 2008.x images for the first partition. IIRC this ends up in the file you describe. From what I understand, I must partition the uSD and then copy kernel rootfs to the various partitions. Why would an app. have grabbed the uSD card? See reason above. You can blow the file away without problems. It may get recreated on your first partition if you use 2008.x again, but that shouldn't cause any problems. If you really don't want it you can disable the indexing, but I can't remember the file this option is defined in. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Freerunner] Access GPS chip's parameters and navigational models?
On Wednesday 14 January 2009, Olivier Migeot wrote: I guess I should shut down FSO's GPS handling first, but how? Is stopping fso-gpsd enough? (I tried, but it didn't seem better) Any insights, somebody? Thanks. Disable ogpsd in /etc/frameworkd.conf by adding 'disable = 1' to the [ogpsd] section, then restart frameworkd nicely: /etc/init.d/xserver-nodm stop /etc/init.s/fso-gpsd stop /etc/init.d/frameworkd restart /etc/init.d/xserver-nodm start You might like to take the fso-gpsd startup link out of /etc/rc5.d too. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Freerunner] Access GPS chip's parameters and navigational models?
On Wednesday 14 January 2009, Olivier Migeot wrote: On Wed, Jan 14, 2009 at 7:08 PM, Al Johnson openm...@mazikeen.demon.co.uk wrote: Disable ogpsd in /etc/frameworkd.conf by adding 'disable = 1' to the [ogpsd] section, then restart frameworkd nicely: Whoa, that was quick, thank you. That'll be ok for some testing, but I sure wouldn't want to do that everytime I need to switch navigational models ;) You could always patch ogpsd to accept a dbus command for changing navigational models ;-) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Freerunner] Access GPS chip's parameters and navigational models?
On Wednesday 14 January 2009, Timo Juhani Lindfors wrote: Al Johnson openm...@mazikeen.demon.co.uk writes: /etc/init.d/xserver-nodm stop Hmm, why is stopping X server necessary? Apps using frameworkd can get upset if you restart frameworkd while they are running. This would include zhone, and possibly some illume bits (battery monitor maybe?) This is a relatively clean and easy way to get frameworkd restarted without problems, but isn't strictly necessary. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [no distro] What console s/w are linux people using to communicate with the Neo FR boot loader?
I just use minicom, connect to /dev/ttyACM0 and enable line wrap. If you could be more specific about what's wrong then perhaps I could help. On Wednesday 14 January 2009, john dowd wrote: Well, I tried Neocon, whenever I press a key I just get the message [closed] printed out for every key and no joy talking to the device. Is there a console program out there that works right now and that people are using to communicate with the Neo Freerunner? On Wed, Jan 14, 2009 at 2:48 PM, Gora Mohanty g...@sarai.net wrote: On Wed, 14 Jan 2009 11:38:30 -0800 (PST) Gothnet openm...@nastylittlehorse.net wrote: john dowd wrote: I've been using minicom but its a disaster. Unless some has settings that they would like to share. [...] Search the wiki for a program called neocon, that seemed to work for me. [...] Haven't tried using serial terminal software with OpenMoko, but in general, have found cutecom to have a nice GUI interface. Regards, Gora ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: buzz fix (was: Pulster offer - Freerunner now 249 eur)
On Tuesday 13 January 2009, Yorick Moko wrote: buzz and gsm fixes are even documented on the wiki (no need to search in the e-mails) only the audio-fix (big capacitator to provide more bass isn't; hoping to see that one documented as well There's some fairly detailed discussion of audio mods on the hardware list which could be copied into the wiki, but there is no 'official' mod. I suspect there won't be one either, mostly because big caps won't fit in the space available, and relocating them to outside the screening can could easily reintroduce buzz. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: which SHR image
On Monday 12 January 2009, Helge Hafting wrote: The .tar.gz file is not an image for flashing. It is simply an archive with all the files. It is useful in that you can extract the files on a pc easily. You may then copy single files to the freerunner in order to fix a botched customization without having to reflash. If you have customized over several weeks, then perhaps you don't want to reflash and start from scratch. It is also the file you want if you are going to run from SD rather than flash. Both of the other two works. The summary file is slightly bigger, but is preferable. I have no idea why - but was told so. IIRC the .summary file has some extra filesystem info present that allows it to be mounted faster. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [om2008-9] Never able to successfully backup the jffs2 partition...
On Tuesday 13 January 2009, john dowd wrote: To be clear, you are saying that this is a u-boot issue? There was an issue with u-boot failing to transfer correctly from phone to PC, usually when trying to back up the rootfs. I remember mention of a patch, but I can't confirm that it's now fixed as I've not tried it. I usually go and sacrifice a few chickens and make sure that it's a new moon before I update a bootloader. Especially when I don't have a debug board or external way of updating flash. With the FR you don't need to worry too much as there is a failsafe u-boot in NOR in addition to the updateable one in NAND. The failsafe one can't be overwritten if you don't have a debug board, so you can always use it to flash a new bootloader to NAND. Cheers!! On Tue, Jan 13, 2009 at 11:36 AM, Marco Trevisan (Treviño) m...@3v1n0.net wrote: john dowd wrote: I've alway been able to backup the kernel partition of my Neo FR but not the jffs2 partition. Here's the error that is reported: Opening USB Device 0x:0x... Found Runtime: [0x1d50:0x5119] devnum=4, cfg=0, intf=0, alt=6, name=rootfs Claiming USB DFU Interface... Setting Alternate Setting ... Determining device status: state = dfuERROR, status = 14 dfuERROR, clearing status Determining device status: state = dfuIDLE, status = 0 dfuIDLE, continuing Transfer Size = 0x1000 dfu_upload error -84 This is not a terrible big deal right now but will be in the future. Any ideas? Questions comments or rude remarks? You should update uboot to get it completed. Uboot-git has a fix for this. BTW you can follow the Backup wiki, and generate a jffs2 via ssh without dfu-utils ;) -- Treviño's World - Life and Linux http://www.3v1n0.net/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Multiple internet connections
On Tuesday 13 January 2009, Leonti Bielski wrote: Hello! Is it possible to use multiple internet connections on Freerunner at the same time? There are several possible ways depending on circumstances. Bridges, routes or iptables rules could all do this to some degree. Now would be a good time to start reading linux networking howtos and documentation. Say I want to use ssh via GPRS, and all other programs via WLAN or usb. Is it possible? I think it could be done with packet marking and some interesting iptables rules. If you know what ports the app uses then it would be easier. You probably don't really want to do this though. Real life example - in my university we have very good unlimited WiFi, actually 2 of them. In my dormitory room I have connection limited by proxy (no torrent :(). What I want to do is to leave my FR at school at some place safe, connect it to wall charger, insert 4GB memory card in it, and turn on gprs connection. Then I would go home, log in to my phone via GPRS, then connect to WIFI and start downloading some stuff via torrent on my memory card. Neat :D If you know your home IP address, or address range, you can set the default route to be via wifi, but the route to that address or range to be via GPRS. There is a problem though; with the telcos in the UK the GPRS connection is usually on NAT, so you can't actually ssh into the phone over GPRS. You could probably get the phone to initiate an openvpn connection to your home and keep the connection open though, and you could then ssh in over the VPN. Or you could make a standard modem-style GSM data call to the phone and use screen to keep your session running when you end the data call. BTW this would probably violate several points of your university acceptable use policy, and in some places would be enough to get you kicked out. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Conflict when several apps use the accelerometers?
On Monday 12 January 2009, Helge Hafting wrote: Is it possible to let several apps use the accelerometers, similiar to how several apps may share the gps unit? I noticed that omnewrotate seems to monopolize the accelerometers, so openmoocow and duke can't use them. Omnewrotate is useful to have, and there will probably be more games using the accelerometers. The gps unit itself is single access too - we use gpsd, gypsy or ogpsd to allow access by multiple apps. The same goes for (most) sound interfaces, with esd, pulseaudio and so on providing mediation for multiple apps. So far we don't have anything to do this with the accelerometers AFAIK. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: nandwrite from inside fr: u-boot, boot-env, flash? was: Re: [2007.2 fr] boot prolems
On Saturday 10 January 2009, arne anka wrote: for booting from sd: to get there you still need the boot menu -- unles even the boot env could be flashed from inside fr and, additionally, the menu could made show up by default (and boot the first entry after a timeout). I don't think that's true - iirc the default boot command is just another environment setting, so you could change it to boot from SD instead of NAND. You could probably get it to do something other than boot too, but I don't remember if there's a command to display the menu that you could use. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: so i try manually starting the x server with:
On Friday 09 January 2009, arne anka wrote: a small program or the dbg command to get to that menu. i've tried holding power and using my desk to press aux to no effect THE OTHER WAY ROUND! sorry for yelling, but you seem to repeatedly miss the point (which is perfectly normal, considering the amount of time you fiddling with this now ;-). HOLD AUX. PRESS PWR. I can do this one handed as follows: Grip the phone with the middle finger on the Aux button and thumb on power. The index finger is on the top, slightly towards the gold coloured socket, and the pinkie is between the headset socket and the speaker grill. Holding the base of the phone (the end with the hole in) against your chest will make pressing the Aux button easier. Press and hold the Aux button, then press and hold the Power button. When both have been down for ~2s the Aux LED will flash and the phone will vibrate, but keep holding the buttons until the menu appears on screen. If you mess up the button presses you may get an unresponsive phone. Don't worry - remove the battery for a few seconds then replace it, wait ~15s then try again. It can be frustrating when you start, but once you get the hang of it it's very easy. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: so i try manually starting the x server with:
On Friday 09 January 2009, Harry L. Lee wrote: thanks! I was at the boot menu and tried dfu, thus: ha...@galaxy:~$ .//dfu-util -l dfu-util - (C) 2007 by OpenMoko Inc. This program is Free Software and has ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY ha...@galaxy:~$ which does not look encouraging. As others have mentioned you will need root privs to run dfu-util successfully. The other possible problem is the relatively short inactivity timeout on uboot - it may have shut down before you managed to run dfu-util. You can keep it awake by pressing the Aux button from time to time or make sure you have the commands ready to run before starting uboot. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [2008.testing] GPS after resume
On Monday 05 January 2009, Jeffrey Ratcliffe wrote: 2009/1/5 Al Johnson openm...@mazikeen.demon.co.uk: Yes, and I think ogpsd is supposed to do this. Almanac and ephemeris is saved when preparing for suspend, and loaded on resume, along with current time. If things haven't changed too much while suspend then resume should be faster than from cold. Is this only available in FSO? i.e. not 2008.12? It's in FSO, SHR and Debian, and according to another thread it is an option in the testing branch of 2008.x though I haven't checked that myself. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Dying battery
On Wednesday 07 January 2009, Chris Samuel wrote: On Wed, 7 Jan 2009 2:26:00 pm The Digital Pioneer wrote: GTA02 with SHR and mwester kernel. How often does mwester release a new kernel? Maybe it could use updating... I think that's a userspace work around to issue: AT%SLEEP=2 to the modem, not a kernel fix. There is a parameter to control this in /etc/frameworkd.conf but I think SHR applies it by default. There is a section that should look something like this: [ogsmd] modemtype = ti_calypso ti_calypso_deep_sleep = never The second parameter controls whether ogsmd uses the AT%SLEEP=2 workaround permanently (deep_sleep = never) or if it uses it only when it detects #1024 type behaviour (deep_sleep = auto? check the source...) In FSO the autodetection is default (parameter not present in config), but I think SHR adds the parameter to their config file. I don't think this is the problem though. I have seen this happen while using the parameter above, and with debug logging of frameworkd enabled to confirm #1024 wasn't happening. I suspect either incorrect battery level indication in the GUI, some runaway process eating CPU, or some other cause of power hogging. Sadly I haven't been able to track it down yet. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [2008.testing] GPS after resume
Yes, and I think ogpsd is supposed to do this. Almanac and ephemeris is saved when preparing for suspend, and loaded on resume, along with current time. If things haven't changed too much while suspend then resume should be faster than from cold. On Sunday 04 January 2009, Yorick Moko wrote: nice! but would it not be possible to let the gps poweroff and artificially feed it the last known sattelite positions? so that i can get a hot-start after suspend, without using more power? anyway, thanks for your contribution! y On Sun, Jan 4, 2009 at 11:17 AM, Vladimir Koutny vl...@moko.ksp.sk wrote: i was thinking about this the other day. the gps has it's own processor, correct, and can act independently of the cpu? i'm wondering if it's possible for the gps to keep it's fix while the main cpu is in suspend. power usage will be higher than a full suspend, but the phone will have a fix as soon as it resumes. is there any reason why this can't happen? I wrote attached patch for this few days ago - it is against mwester's stable kernel so probably still needs some tweaks for 2.6.28 series. Simply 'echo 1 /sys/bus/i2c/devices/0-0073/neo1973-pm-gps.0/keep_on_in_suspend' and it will stay alive during suspend (echo 0 to turn it off - this is also the default). It also fixes a bug with re-enabling GPS on resume when it was on before (keep_on_in_suspend=0). I'm going to split this into 2 patches and send it to devel soon. vlado ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Car Charger?
On Monday 05 January 2009, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote: On Mon, Jan 05, 2009 at 02:40:34PM +, Vasco Névoa wrote: I bought a Trust car lighter adapter (5V/1A) with its own cable, and it doesn't charge the freerunner. Shouldn't it have to be 2A ? Rui That depends on what you're going to do with it. The phone itself won't draw more than 1A but if the phone is charging while in host mode the charger may need to supply 0.5A to the USB device(s) too. Note that as the chargers are unlikely to have the 47k resistor on the ID pin you will probably have to set the charge rate to 500mA or 1A as explained in the wiki: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Forcing_fast_charge_mode ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Database applications practical on mobile device ?
On Monday 05 January 2009, lollisoft wrote: Hi, I like to ask if anyone is wishing to have some database applications on their phone. Or would it practical on such a small device ? I am a developer of an rapid database prototyper capable of generating any source code when prototyping is finished. Thus it will save a lot time when having templates. It's based on wxWidgets and I have seen these libraries on my FR some time ago. Thanks Lothar I'm sure people would find something to do with an app a bit like the Data app from the Psion 5, or even something more fully featured. It should be perfectly practical both from a power and GUI point of view. sqlite already runs on the OM, and is extensively used in qtopia/QtExtended. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Performance Issues using Neo wifi and WPA2
On Tuesday 30 December 2008, john dowd wrote: I'm wondering if someone could verify the following SIP interaction between linphone and the s/w PBX that I'm running. This would be better directed to the linphone list as it's unlikely to be openmoko-specific. It might help to say which PBX it is too. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: www.opkg.org - Relaunch!
On Wednesday 24 December 2008, Yogiz wrote: On Wed, 24 Dec 2008 18:46:33 +0100 Tobias Kündig tobias.kuen...@gmail.com wrote: Dear Community, After hours of coding I can present you my little christmas gift for Openmoko and the whole community: The relaunch of www.opkg.org. The whole site was recoded. There is a new system and a shiny new design. Looks good. If you can however, make it fit to width on smaller resolutions as well. Some of us are still using the legacy 1024x768 : ). Merry christmas as well! Some of us are using 480x640 ;-) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Importing Contacts from Thunderbird
If I understand the sed command it is changing some of the syntax from vCard v3.0 to vCard v2.1. I guess the addressbook app doesn't handle v3.0 but doesn't check the VERSION entry in the vCard either. On Sunday 21 December 2008, Dennis Wollersheim wrote: Hey Will Can you tell me what you found out about the format? It also does not import contacts from jpilot. Cheers Dennis Will Siddall wrote: Hey, I know there's a wiki item for this, but I just have to send it to everyone. I want to edit the wiki, but I don't know if anyone has run into this problem yet. The wiki shows to install a VCF plugin for thunderbird then just import the VCF into your contacts app. I had a lot of problems with this and actually found that the format of the VCF file doesn't match what 'addressbook' is looking for. Instead, here are the steps I found to work and if anyone can confirm this, I will add it to the wiki. 1: Export your addressbook/contacts to VCF file(s) 2: From your terminal, run: sed -r -e 's/;TYPE=([^,]+),([^:]+):/;\1;\2:/g' old.vcf new.vcf 3: From your OpenMoko, run: addressbook new.vcf Will ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: om-manager 0.1.0 released
You probably need Python 2.x as 3.0 has some major changes which cause code written for 2.x to fail. IIRC the print syntax is one of those changes. Follow the link if you want to see the details. http://docs.python.org/3.0/whatsnew/3.0.html On Saturday 20 December 2008, Yorick Moko wrote: I installed python 3.0 on windows xp (sp3) from http://www.python.org/ftp/python/3.0/python-3.0.msi but when i try to run it I get F:\temp\dist\om-manager\apprun.py File F:\temp\dist\om-manager\app\run.py, line 78 print usage ^ SyntaxError: invalid syntax I'm probably doing something wrong. y On Sat, Dec 20, 2008 at 4:53 PM, Ilja O. vrgh...@gmail.com wrote: Hello. I'm happy to announce that I've finally managed to push out 0.1.0 version of om-manager. Om-manager is host computer-based Freerunner controlling utility. Currently it's able to flash Freeruner smartphone (dfu-util required), get logs, backup filesystem parts (to archive file on host computer) also it implements simple opkg package manager and remote control via VNC (x11vnc package on phone is required). All functionality (except Flashing) is implemented trough SSH connection and does not require any extra programs installed on phone itself (except ones that are needed to perform specefied tasks, e.g. vnc server or opkg utility). Whole application is pure Python. Project home: http://code.google.com/p/om-manager/ Please, if somebody is willing to check it -- do it. I would be really happy to see any feedback from any other people -- about usability, functionality or coding style. It took me quite a while to do it, but have a mercy -- I'm doing it alone. I've personally used it on Windows, Linux and OSX. So I guess they can be defined as officially supported operating systems. Thank you. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Trying to get support for some Neo setup problems...
The structure of the config files for the linphone CLI and GUI are the same, so you should be able to take the working one for the CLI and copy it over the GUI one. At the very least you should be able to copy the registration details from one and paste it into the other. On Friday 19 December 2008, john dowd wrote: Thanks for the response guys, I appreciate the help. I was able to get the linphone application installed manually (package by package) onto the Neo. It even works to a point. I've only managed to get the command line version to work. So (this is funny), in order to place a SIP phone call from my Neo, I have to ssh into it from my laptop and then using the command line linphonec application, I can then actually register with the PBX and place a call. As a demo, this is really going to suck. I can't seem to configure the GUI version to use the appropriate settings to register with the PBX. I'll have a look at the source code (if I can find it) and if it's a dead end, I'll pull apart the twinkle debian package and try to install it. Any further advice would be appreciated. Cheers!! On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 3:00 AM, Timo Juhani Lindfors timo.lindf...@iki.fi wrote: Robin Paulson robin.paul...@gmail.com writes: extrapolating this point further, would it be possible to (manually) install apt and related tools to an om2008.9 system, and get access to the debian archives directly? Chroot is the easiest way to do that. Surely it will waste extra 200M of space but SD cards are cheap. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Trying to get support for some Neo setup problems...
Which version are you running? It used to be ~/.linphonerc for CLI and ~/.gnome2/linphone for GUI in 1.6 and 1.7, and probably 2.x too. On Friday 19 December 2008, john dowd wrote: But where does it go? Right now, the linphone application is using the username for the user account of the registration. In the configuration files of the cli version its set correctly. I tried to run strace on the GUI version to watch and see when it tried to open a configuration file but no joy. Didn't seem to even try. Cheers!! On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 8:56 AM, Al Johnson openm...@mazikeen.demon.co.uk wrote: The structure of the config files for the linphone CLI and GUI are the same, so you should be able to take the working one for the CLI and copy it over the GUI one. At the very least you should be able to copy the registration details from one and paste it into the other. On Friday 19 December 2008, john dowd wrote: Thanks for the response guys, I appreciate the help. I was able to get the linphone application installed manually (package by package) onto the Neo. It even works to a point. I've only managed to get the command line version to work. So (this is funny), in order to place a SIP phone call from my Neo, I have to ssh into it from my laptop and then using the command line linphonec application, I can then actually register with the PBX and place a call. As a demo, this is really going to suck. I can't seem to configure the GUI version to use the appropriate settings to register with the PBX. I'll have a look at the source code (if I can find it) and if it's a dead end, I'll pull apart the twinkle debian package and try to install it. Any further advice would be appreciated. Cheers!! On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 3:00 AM, Timo Juhani Lindfors timo.lindf...@iki.fi wrote: Robin Paulson robin.paul...@gmail.com writes: extrapolating this point further, would it be possible to (manually) install apt and related tools to an om2008.9 system, and get access to the debian archives directly? Chroot is the easiest way to do that. Surely it will waste extra 200M of space but SD cards are cheap. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Trying to get support for some Neo setup problems...
Probably the wrong path to the icon in the .desktop file which from memory will be something like /usr/share/applications/linphone.desktop On Friday 19 December 2008, john dowd wrote: 2.1.1 it appears. And since I have never used gnome (I'm a KDE guy), I had not thought of checking the gnome resource directory. I'll modify it and see if that gets it working. Since you seem to be in an informative mood I have one more question (for now.. lol). The array of Icon's displayed by the GUI (I guess I'm using illume/enlightenment GUI) only shows a blank box for the linphone icon. I can see that it installed various png files to use. Any ideas what I should look at as to why its not displaying the proper icon file? Thanks for all your help Al. Cheers!! On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 9:36 AM, Al Johnson openm...@mazikeen.demon.co.uk wrote: Which version are you running? It used to be ~/.linphonerc for CLI and ~/.gnome2/linphone for GUI in 1.6 and 1.7, and probably 2.x too. On Friday 19 December 2008, john dowd wrote: But where does it go? Right now, the linphone application is using the username for the user account of the registration. In the configuration files of the cli version its set correctly. I tried to run strace on the GUI version to watch and see when it tried to open a configuration file but no joy. Didn't seem to even try. Cheers!! On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 8:56 AM, Al Johnson openm...@mazikeen.demon.co.uk wrote: The structure of the config files for the linphone CLI and GUI are the same, so you should be able to take the working one for the CLI and copy it over the GUI one. At the very least you should be able to copy the registration details from one and paste it into the other. On Friday 19 December 2008, john dowd wrote: Thanks for the response guys, I appreciate the help. I was able to get the linphone application installed manually (package by package) onto the Neo. It even works to a point. I've only managed to get the command line version to work. So (this is funny), in order to place a SIP phone call from my Neo, I have to ssh into it from my laptop and then using the command line linphonec application, I can then actually register with the PBX and place a call. As a demo, this is really going to suck. I can't seem to configure the GUI version to use the appropriate settings to register with the PBX. I'll have a look at the source code (if I can find it) and if it's a dead end, I'll pull apart the twinkle debian package and try to install it. Any further advice would be appreciated. Cheers!! On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 3:00 AM, Timo Juhani Lindfors timo.lindf...@iki.fi wrote: Robin Paulson robin.paul...@gmail.com writes: extrapolating this point further, would it be possible to (manually) install apt and related tools to an om2008.9 system, and get access to the debian archives directly? Chroot is the easiest way to do that. Surely it will waste extra 200M of space but SD cards are cheap. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Performance Issues using Neo wifi and WPA2
On Friday 19 December 2008, john dowd wrote: I have a Neo freerunner running the 2008.9 load. I have it configured to connect using Wifi to my access point using WPA2 encryption. I do NOT have a SIMM card in my phone. I have managed to make a connection to the PBX sitting on the other side of the Access Point. However, the audio that I'm getting is so badly broken that it's incomprehensible. I have seen the CPU utilization going to 78% using top (not a good way to measure I know). What I'm wondering is, does the Neo have the horsepower to be able to do this? Is this just an optimization problem that can be addressed or am I pushing the phone beyond it's ability. Cheers!! I have made SIP calls using the linphone CLI over wifi with WPA-TKIP and the audio quality was fine. I don't recall which codec it was using, but the Freerunner is certainly capable of making high quality SIP calls over encrypted wifi. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Bluetooth headset GUI configuration
On Friday 19 December 2008, Simon Kagstrom wrote: On Fri, 19 Dec 2008 22:52:08 +0300 Denis Shulyaka shuly...@gmail.com wrote: 2008/12/19 Simon Kagstrom simon.kagst...@gmail.com: I've tried these instructions on both FSO and SHR now, and it works on neither of them. BtConfigure.py never finishes after having entered the PIN. Same here on FDOM. I get DBus error in console, I didn't dig any further. I'm reading the bluez howto: http://wiki.bluez.org/wiki/HOWTO/AudioDevices to get some further hints. The dbus stuff there also doesn't seem to work: r...@om-gta02:~# dbus-send --system --print-reply --dest=org.bluez /org/bluez org.bluez.Manager.ActivateService string:audio Error org.bluez.Error.NoSuchService: No such service (SHR this time). Reading this: http://article.gmane.org/gmane.linux.bluez.user/13108 it seems like bluez-utils have been compiled without --enable-audio. Could this be the problem? Do you have bluez-audio or bluez-utils-alsa installed? They aren't in FSO by default. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [QTExtended] cannot store alsa state
On Thursday 18 December 2008, Giorgio Marci wrote: I adjust the volume on QTExt 4.4.2 using alsamixer and then i'd like to store its state, but the command alsactl -f path_to_file.state store doesn't seem to work and, after that i make or receive a call, the state returns to default! How can i save the alsa state permanently? The command looks correct, but you need to give it the right path and filename for the state you are trying to modify. You could always take a copy of the file before and after, and diff them to check your changes have been saved. I assume you know there are multiple state files that the applications will switch between as required. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Crackly Calls and Battery Tips! A5/A6 rework. Corrected URL
On Thursday 18 December 2008, Joel Newkirk wrote: On Wed, 17 Dec 2008 17:00:34 +, Al Johnson openm...@mazikeen.demon.co.uk wrote: On Wednesday 17 December 2008, Joel Newkirk wrote: I don't know what the physical difference is for the power tweak. (V6 can power up from wall power without battery) It's a bigger C1767 - according to the schematics it's 4.7uF on A5, 47uF on A6 and 100uF on A7. Werner's writeup of the investigations is here: http://people.openmoko.org/werner/gta02-chg/ Thanks - that was most of what I was needing. Unfortunately it doesn't identify the real estate occupied by C1767 there, nor in the component placement diagrams. Can someone point me at the right spot on the board? If it's got enough room for the same 3528 cap we're looking at for the big-C rework (which I doubt, though it looks like it will fit for the big-C position) that would be great. j I've replied on the hardware list since the thread has turned pure hardware, and we're more likely to get an answer there. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [QTExtended] cannot store alsa state
I'm not certain on QTExtended, but /usr/share/openmoko/scenarios/ is the usual location on most of the distros. You can use any filename you like, but the applications will only use the filenames they expect. I don't know if these are configurable or hardcoded in QTExtended. The names should be fairly self-explanatory when you see them in the directory. The phone will probably spend most of its time using stereoout.state so that the ringtone or music playback happens through the speaker. When you pick up a call the dialler will switch it to gsmhandset.state, and back to stereoout.state when you hang up. It may use headset.state and gsmheadset.state if the wired headset is plugged in, or gsmstereoout if the speakerphone setting is used. To use a state file manually run: alsactl -f /path/to/file.state restore On Thursday 18 December 2008, Giorgio Marci wrote: Where are stored these files? there is a specific file state to store or can i store any file in any directory? and if yes, how can i set alsa to use that particular file? thanks - Original Message - From: Al Johnson To: community@lists.openmoko.org Subject: Re: [QTExtended] cannot store alsa state Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 11:58:50 + On Thursday 18 December 2008, Giorgio Marci wrote: I adjust the volume on QTExt 4.4.2 using alsamixer and then i'd like to store its state, but the command alsactl -f path_to_file.state store doesn't seem to work and, after that i make or receive a call, the state returns to default! How can i save the alsa state permanently? The command looks correct, but you need to give it the right path and filename for the state you are trying to modify. You could always take a copy of the file before and after, and diff them to check your changes have been saved. I assume you know there are multiple state files that the applications will switch between as required. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Crackly Calls and Battery Tips! A5/A6 rework. Corrected URL
On Wednesday 17 December 2008, Joel Newkirk wrote: I don't know what the physical difference is for the power tweak. (V6 can power up from wall power without battery) It's a bigger C1767 - according to the schematics it's 4.7uF on A5, 47uF on A6 and 100uF on A7. Werner's writeup of the investigations is here: http://people.openmoko.org/werner/gta02-chg/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Version 2 -- New community distribution hackable1
On Wednesday 17 December 2008, Paul Wouters wrote: On Wed, 17 Dec 2008, Marcus Bauer wrote: * GPS works out of the box It comes as a tarball, thus you need a 2 GB SD card (SanDisk work well) Is the GPS+SD card problem solved yet? That was solved a long time ago. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [FSO] How to make a beep in C++/Qt
On Wednesday 17 December 2008, Michael Tansella wrote: Am Mittwoch, 17. Dezember 2008 16:27:43 schrieb Sargun Dhillon: Please don't send HTML e-mail to list. I'm sorry it's default at kmail. I hope it's turned off now. Just add a sound with an annoying enough beep and use the proper FSO calls to play it. I think it's too much to create a dbus connection just for making a beep. If you're interested in the beep going through a particular output, say the speaker rather than the earpiece, you'll be wanting to use the FSO interface for manipulating the alsa state too. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: new sim(ATT:SKU 71247)
On Tuesday 16 December 2008, Mathieu Dube wrote: Hi, I just got my neo freerunner and I got a sim from ATT, its a 3G the sku is 71247. Its not in the list here: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Carriers/ATT It fits on the contacts physically but it only says Registering... when I boot up. Should I update the firmware as explained here: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GSM/Flashing ? Or would it be better to ask att to provide me with an older sim card? Updating the GSM firmware to moko10 will probably let it recognise your SIM. It worked for my O2 UK 3G SIM. If you feel comfortable following the procedure described then give it a go. It worked as described for me, and I don't think anyone's bricked the GSM by following it. If you don't feel comfortable with the flashing procedure then go for the replacement SIM. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Stage of GTA03 development?
On Tuesday 16 December 2008, Carsten Haitzler wrote: On Tue, 16 Dec 2008 23:13:39 +0100 Leonti Bielski prishe...@gmail.com babbled: I don't think closing such information (which is not any dangerous inside info) would be a good policy for a company which main goal is creating an OPEN phone ;) Some of the questions like availability and price are not important to me because I'm not going to buy it anyway, but I'm interested in specifications :D actually - it makes sense not to be open. why? you cannibalise sales on the freerunner as people go ooh.. ok. i'll just wait for gta03 instead of buying gta02. so it's bad business to go parading around your next gen device while you still sell the existing one (before the next gen is for sale). :) Depending on the feature set that can cut both ways. It could also be a case of I was going to wait for gta03, but I absolutely can't have a phone with a camera so I may as well get gta02 now for example. A must have for one person can be a deal breaker for another. I pick the camera as an example as I used to work on a site where cameras weren't allowed, but keypads and screen resolution have polarised opinions before too. I'm still waiting for the Psion 5 form factor with modern guts ;-) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: FR not charging after 2 weeks of inactivity
On Wednesday 17 December 2008, Robin Paulson wrote: 2008/12/17 Diego Fernández Durán di...@goedi.net: The last two weeks I've been very busy and meanwhile I put the FR in a high shelve to avoid the distraction. Now, after two weeks my FR appears to be in a deep sleep. I can't turn it on. If I connect it to the charger it does nothing! look on the wiki, there's an answer to this problem http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_FreeRunner_Battery ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: kismet on freerunner
On Sunday 14 December 2008, Joop Boonen wrote: On Wed, November 26, 2008 2:26 pm, David Reyes Samblas Martinez wrote: snip FATAL: Failed to set monitor mode: Invalid argument. This usually means your drivers either do not support monitor mode, or use a different mechanism for getting to it. Make sure you have a version of your drivers that support monitor mode, and consult the troubleshooting section of the README. snip Nowadays wifi drivers doesn't support monitor mode, the only way to use freerunner as kismet scaner is attaching an usb wifi dongle. Why don't the drivers support monitor mode? It's not the drivers, it's the firmware on the atheros wifi chip. Much of the wifi processing happens on the chip instead of in the kernel, so we only get the modes it supports. Monitor mode is not among them. Would it be possible to add it to this driver? To me it's not preferable to add an extra wifi dongle when the device has wifi itself. It would indeed be preferable, but you'll have to convince atheros to modify their firmware before it can happen. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: ALSA
On Wednesday 10 December 2008, Clemens Dörrhöfer wrote: Marcel wrote: Am Wednesday 10 December 2008 21:23:06 schrieb Clemens Dörrhöfer: Is there any useful Information in the net, which tells me a little something about the big mistery ALSA on openmoko? After installing the pymixer I can no longer use my moko as phone because I neither have sound nor microfone. All information I find about this topic is more or less useless. Did pymixer maybe simply minimize some relevant controls? I am trying to find out what the relevant controls are and how I need to adjust them to be able to use the moko as phone. The states are still a little confusing for me. At least some alsa settings seem to change when I start the dialer and begin a call. See timo's post for the relevant wiki pages. They describe what each state file does, which alsa channels change important volume settings in them, and which package contains them so that you can reinstall the package to get back to defaults. When you start or end a call the dialler app will switch state files. At rest you will probably be using stereoout.state so that when the phone rings the sound will go to the speaker. When you answer the call it will switch to gsmhandset.state, or perhaps gsmheadset.state if you have the headset plugged in. pymixer will reflect the changes in the settings made by loading a new state file. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Funding Global Domination Mk II The Console
On Tuesday 09 December 2008, Stroller wrote: On 8 Dec 2008, at 12:23, Arigead wrote: ... So you'd have a PC Motherboard, TV out don't know what standard. Do all modern TV's take the same digital connection all over the world? Then you'll have a TV in signal for recording TV. Again I've no idea if that would mean different hardware all over the world. Ethernet, USB, Remote control. Nice plastics. A few companies have toyed with the idea of producing Open Console but to my knowledge nobody has ever really done it well ... Hi there, I, too, have thought about what open hardware I'd like to see on the market. [snip] The problem with silent video front ends is power vs noise. And the best front ends for MediaTomb have hardware decoding on board. But they're closed source: http://www.popcornhour.com/onlinestore/ So what I think would be idea would be for OpenMoko - or someone like them - to produce a low-power media box with hardware decoding, and open-source drivers for the video-accelerator chip. The Popcorn devices have such an accelerator, but did I mention they're closed- source? (VIA used to do CPUs c 1ghz with extra MPEG decoders, but they have been very late to the game with their open-source chrome drivers). The Neuros OSD2 is more or less what you're describing. It uses the Ti DaVinci which is closely related to the OMAP on the beagleboard. Development is in the open using OE, and the codecs can use the onboard DSP. The problem with it from my point of view is that it's not powerful enough to output 1080p. http://wiki.neurostechnology.com/index.php/OSD2.0_Development ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
