Re: Kernel 3.x and Freerunner
On Thu, 30 Jan 2014 11:54:40 +0100 Mike Crash m...@mikecrash.com wrote: Hello, last two years I was busy with other private stuff, now I have returned to my old projects and also my Neo. I have completely rewritten my software and I want to compile it for Neo. But new software is not compatible with old kernel (for example udev). I have tried to boot up Neo and what a surprice, everything works as 2 years ago. Only battery has half of capacity... I want to ask if there was some progress in support of Neo Freerunner in stock kernel. There is some support for it in mainline, I'm not sure that it's enough to suit your usecase, beside patches to fix some gta02-specific issues or patch that should have been submited to mainline that weren't, some drivers are not in mainline: * The glamo driver. * The wifi driver: I've been told that the mainline ath6kl was very different from the one in the freerunner, and that it was because the firmware of the very early ath6k of the freerunner was very different. I still use old 2.6.29 with openmoko modifications, is it possible to use kernel 3.13? No idea, you have to try it out, be sure to get a debug board for that: 1) configure(stuff like make ARCH=arm xconfig/menuconfig for instance) the kernel for the gta02, by looking at the existing configurations of the lastest kernel 2) compile and run it 3) you'll have no display working at that point, so that's why you really need the serial console at first. 4) forward-port the patches specific to the GTA02 and the missing drivers. In order to have to do it only once, do that with mainlining in mind, and do use the devicetree. mainline the patches. I don't need phone functionality, only display, That requires the glamo, so you'll have to forward port the glamo driver at least. audio That driver is in mainline, but maybe without devicetree bindings. and gps. Shouldn't be too hard to mainline, assuming you choose the right framwork for it. if I remember well, it's just some gpio toggling, and that can even been done in userspace if mainling that is difficult. I have looked around, there are some Neo stuff in stock kernel, but I don't know, if it is usable. Last news I have, which is really old, is that SHR had the most recent kernels in their meta-smartphone layer, but I'm unsure if that's used or not. Please can anybody tell me, what's the situation now? Have anybody tried new stock kernels? It depends on what you mean by new, SHR had a more rencent kernel with almost everything working beside the regulators, which means that GPS, modem, and wifi had issues. Since it was just some GPIOs it could have been worked arround in userspace, like by modifying the fso plugins again. Denis. signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: The open hardware phone project that's had the most interest
On Sat, 5 Oct 2013 17:19:18 +0200 joerg Reisenweber jo...@openmoko.org wrote: In the last 50 years I've seen only _one_ truly modular concept for electronic circuits that would basically meet the flexibility requirements you are asking for: http://makezine.com/2011/12/08/the-braun-lectron-system-retro-circuit- dominoes/ /j The bug device 2.0 from buglabs is modular too. (The kernel is a bit old though: 2.6.35) Denis. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: The open hardware phone project that's had the most interest
On Sat, 05 Oct 2013 17:24:51 +0200 Raphael Wimmer raphael.wim...@ifi.lmu.de wrote: * The concept assumes that all components use a common communication backplane. This is not feasible, as a variety of voltages and communication protocols are in use in a typical phone (I2C, SPI, UART, USB, various display protocols, etc.). Many components need very short connections to the CPU/GPU/whatever without crossing other PCB traces. It is not realistic to make this work with a generic communication backplane. Proper heat dissipation for CPU/GPU is another problem. Or to use big connectors...that have dedicated pins for all theses things...like with the bug device 2.0 from buglabs. Denis. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: The open hardware phone project that's had the most interest
On Sat, 05 Oct 2013 15:00:07 -0400 Stefan Monnier monn...@iro.umontreal.ca wrote: And it would be bulkier and more expensive than a non-modular phone, of course. http://components.arrow.com/part/search/buglabs The main cost in doing that is the plastic of the modules. Denis. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Gta04-owner] Invitation to indicate interest in next batch of GTA04A5 boards
On Wed, 3 Apr 2013 08:59:03 +0200 Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller h...@goldelico.com wrote: Am 02.04.2013 um 22:35 schrieb Denis 'GNUtoo' Carikli: On Tue, 26 Mar 2013 11:22:39 +0100 Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller h...@goldelico.com wrote: So we unfortunately have to postpone the production of GTA04A5 boards, until someone manages to create more demand. This is a little sad, since we now have solved all technological problems and could start production anytime (well the longer we wait the more components will become EOL and have to be substituted). Anyways we will continue to support the existing GTA04A3/A4 by improving the kernel, boot loader etc. If you have ideas how to stimulate demand, please do Yes I've an idea and I'll continue to work on it really soon: Port Replicant to that phone. The current status is that I've a 3.8 kernel booting on it with display, input, wakelocks etc(the android stuff)... So far adb makes the kernel null pointers at shutdown. Also It's highly untested... Is there some project page? Download link or something. Since it's not ready yet, there is no official images yet, and the documentation on the replicant wiki is a bit outdated with reguard to the GTA04, I prefer to make it usable first. The repositories for the GTA04 are not even integrated yet in the build system(people building replicant for the gta04 are expected to git clone them by hand...). Note that I will need help from someone having an A4(like paulk for instance) for doing the Alsa userspace part once the kernel is complete... Right now the issue is to permit proper shutdown after using adb...That is harder than expected because I cannot use kgdb(I've some toolchain issues with DWARF/debug symbols) Denis. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Gta04-owner] Invitation to indicate interest in next batch of GTA04A5 boards
On Tue, 26 Mar 2013 11:22:39 +0100 Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller h...@goldelico.com wrote: So we unfortunately have to postpone the production of GTA04A5 boards, until someone manages to create more demand. This is a little sad, since we now have solved all technological problems and could start production anytime (well the longer we wait the more components will become EOL and have to be substituted). Anyways we will continue to support the existing GTA04A3/A4 by improving the kernel, boot loader etc. If you have ideas how to stimulate demand, please do Yes I've an idea and I'll continue to work on it really soon: Port Replicant to that phone. The current status is that I've a 3.8 kernel booting on it with display, input, wakelocks etc(the android stuff)... So far adb makes the kernel null pointers at shutdown. Also It's highly untested... Before we couldn't even get it booting correctly under replicant 4.0: or there were some interrupt issue, or there were some touchscreen isue(that I solved in that 3.8 kernel). Denis. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Gta04-owner] Invitation to indicate interest in next batch of GTA04A5 boards
On Tue, 26 Mar 2013 15:58:10 +0100 Radek Polak pson...@seznam.cz wrote: I think there might be interest in encrypted GSM calls - those customers would be not worried by big price. It's just matter of implementing SW for it. There are several solutions for that but using plain GSM won't work because of the TRAU(Transcoder and Rate Adaptation Unit) in the GSM network. Using data calls directly would be too expensive... So the best solution is to use encrypted SIP over the internet(like trough a 3G connection) possibly over a VPN(because some providers prevent SIP to go trough their networks). Denis. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GTA02 act as gps mouse?
Hi,
I'd also like to use my gta02 as bluetooth GPS with Android(Replicant)
devices.
There is an application for that in FDroid(a free software market/google
play replacement that contains only free software):
http://f-droid.org/repository/browse/?fdcategory=Navigationfdid=org.broeuschmeul.android.gps.bluetooth.provider
The application is called BlueGPS
I've tried to make an up to date python application for the freerunner
from scratch...
But my application is not reliable at all:
- it can only be closed by a kill (because of the while True: at the
end), I did the while true because rfcomm was not always reliable at
the beginning, maybe I should restest without it...
- bluez is somehow unreliable and it doesn't always find the adapter.
So to use it, install Fdroid, then BlueGPS within Fdroid.
then run my gps script.
Then do that on the freerunner:
wget
http://git.kernel.org/cgit/bluetooth/bluez.git/plain/test/simple-agent?id=910ffb4ca785da71b670bf105e234435c67fd7fe
-O simple-agent
chmod +x simple-agent
./simple-agent
That will permit you to pair it with android...
you'll have to enter a pin on android and in simple-agent...
Denis.#! /usr/bin/env python2
#Copyright (C) 2013 Denis 'GNUtoo' Carikli gnu...@no-log.org
#
#This program is free software: you can redistribute it and/or modify
#it under the terms of the GNU General Public License as published by
#the Free Software Foundation, either version 3 of the License, or
#(at your option) any later version.
#
#This program is distributed in the hope that it will be useful,
#but WITHOUT ANY WARRANTY; without even the implied warranty of
#MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE. See the
#GNU General Public License for more details.
#
#You should have received a copy of the GNU General Public License
#along with this program. If not, see http://www.gnu.org/licenses/.
import dbus
import os
import subprocess
from dbus.mainloop.glib import DBusGMainLoop
DBusGMainLoop(set_as_default=True)
bus = dbus.SystemBus()
usage_obj = bus.get_object('org.freesmartphone.ousaged', '/org/freesmartphone/Usage')
usage_iface = dbus.Interface(usage_obj, 'org.freesmartphone.Usage')
usage_iface.RequestResource(Bluetooth)
usage_iface.RequestResource(CPU)
usage_iface.RequestResource(GPS)
try:
pid = subprocess.check_output(pidof bluetoothd, shell=True).replace('\n','')
except:
os.system(bluetoothd)
pid = subprocess.check_output(pidof bluetoothd, shell=True).replace('\n','')
print the bluez pid is + pid
bluez_obj = bus.get_object('org.bluez', /org/bluez/{0}/hci0.format(pid))
bluez_adapter_iface = dbus.Interface(bluez_obj, 'org.bluez.Adapter')
bluez_adapter_iface.SetProperty(Discoverable, True)
while True:
try:
os.system(rfcomm watch /dev/rfcomm0 1 sh -c \gpspipe -r /dev/rfcomm0\)
except KeyboardInterrupt:
os.system(killall rfcomm)
exit(0)
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Re: tizen released
On Mon, 18 Feb 2013 23:44:58 +0800 Paul Wise pa...@bonedaddy.net wrote: git repos here: https://review.tizen.org/git/ was it ported on some real devices beside the emulator? Denis. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Stripped down GTA04A5 - interested?
On Tue, 22 Jan 2013 10:18:45 +0100 Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller h...@goldelico.com wrote: * no Sirf IV GPS receiver (but internal Antenna with GPS receiver inside UMTS module will be available) That's kind of problematic for privacy, with that anti-feature you can be localized more precisely trough RLLP[1] for instance. [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RRLP Denis. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Shr-Devel] silent SMS
On Sat, 12 Jan 2013 16:15:10 +0100 Matthias Apitz g...@unixarea.de wrote: Hello, Hi, are such messages signalled by the modem to the software I don't know in fso, I should try... But with the luca/catcher branch of osmocomb you can notice silent SMS with show catcher command. But the luca/catcher branch is outdated and It didn't work for me, so checkout origin/master and cherry-pick that patch: 05d3836041595a099c0db975fd6bd855ee12cce1 you also need a recent osmocon in SHR: I'm not even sure that there is one in the feeds, altough there is one in meta-smartphone/meta-osmocombb. Denis. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [FOSDEM-Devrooms] World of OpenPhoenux
On Mon, 7 Jan 2013 09:27:02 +0100 Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller h...@goldelico.com wrote: * Replicant software And a talk about that too. Denis. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Would offer my gta04...
On Sun, 30 Dec 2012 13:00:24 +0100 ri...@happyleptic.org wrote: ...to someone who think he can contribute something to this project. I'm too lazy to package and ship it so the hacker would have to live near Paris (fr). I received it many time ago but haven't played with it yet (beside installing the MoBo and checking it's working). Let's be honnest, I won't have time to dig in this, so it's better if I pass it along. Which version(A3/A4/A5) is it? Denis. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [off-topic] smartphone alternatives?
On Tue, 18 Dec 2012 11:06:01 +0100 cyberesprit cyberesp...@cyberesprit.fr wrote: hi! There may be geeksphones? http://www.geeksphone.com/old/en/moviles/zero/ * The geeksphones(one and zero) require proprietary userspace libraries. * The geeksphones(one and zero) use a qualcomm System on a chip, which means that the sound card, the GPS Are attached to the Modem, not to mention the Shared memory(RAM attached on modem and CPU Bus) and shared NAND... Basically it's really bad for freedom. Denis. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [off-topic] smartphone alternatives?
On Tue, 18 Dec 2012 21:28:48 +0100 arne anka openm...@ginguppin.de wrote: speaking of the n900: FSO is supposed to support that one and i guess SHR would work too. i hope to get another n900 in a near future and to be able to test that Nice, we need help for the Modem-Sound card forwarder, because currently no one has time to fix it even if it's easy to fix(basically I've wrote(in code) what needed to be done but it's unfinished...and sits in branches...). Apart that GPS protocol is known but unimplemented, bluetooth is broken in SHR, meego, mer kernels, wifi works, camera probably works(you need some media-controller userspace commands to make it work, I documented it on the wiki, I don't remember which one between mplayer or gstreamer worked with theses commands, but still meego had a gstreamer plugin for the camera, we didn't package it tough), Audio works, Calls too but with sound issues, data/3g works, retriving contacts from the sim isn't implemented, and SMS isn't implemented either... The modem(and the GPS which is attached to the modem) talks a protocol called ISI, which is moslty documented by some headers and by ofono code. There is also a newer 3.x kernel that should be tried, it's from the port of Arch(a GNU/Linux distribution) on that phone. Denis. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [off-topic] smartphone alternatives?
On Wed, 19 Dec 2012 17:29:49 +0100 francesco.dev...@mailoo.org wrote: But on another mobile system I'm lost, I have to learn it and maybe I don't want to. Yes android is very different. And who assure me that I'm free as I am on a GTA? I can assure you that you're not as free as on the GTA because the hardware will have issues. The closest phone is the GTA04, but it has a non-free wifi firmware. - may I have a shell? In Replicant/Android there is a shell and a GUI for it. - may I write a bash script? there is bash/sh in Replicant/Android. - may I control every services on it? Not in Replicant/Android - may I upgrade a single package yes, Fdroid supports that. or the entire system as I want? You'll have to reflash in Replicant. - may I install a software from source? You can't compile stuff on The target in Replicant, you'll have to use the SDK on a desktop/laptop computer. Maybe yes, there are Android and its free fork Replicant and their SDKs but I have first to learn it. Indeed. Smartphones are computers, and it makes me crazy that they do not work (software side) EXACTLY as my pc. Yes that's a problem. IMHO it would be wonderful to have the same OS on desktop PCs and smarphones, maybe with different software repositories. I'm a Debian user and for me QtMoko is wonderful. ok. So, to sum it up, it makes me nervous to have a new powerful smartphone if I cannot do what I want. Following this thought, I think the best solution is to have a cheap mobile phone and a netbook/tablet with a gnu/linux distro on it. or to port GNU/Linux on a smartphone that is easy enough, if you're into that kind of things and if you're skilled enough for that Or just buy a supported phone, however be sure to ask informations on the smartphone before buying it to the distro's developers. Well... for now I still have my GTA02, I'll have to buy just a cheap phone for GSM and battery emergencies. [ If someone could help me for the bass fix I'll be happy to use it, finally, also as an audio player (: ] Golden delicious did all fixes... The recent news about the GTA04 make me happy, maybe I don't have to wait too long for it. Yes it's a really good device: it's almost like the GTA02, but faster, better, less hardware bugs, but also has a non-free wifi firmware. Denis. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [off-topic] smartphone alternatives?
On Mon, 17 Dec 2012 17:59:46 +0100 francesco.dev...@mailoo.org wrote: Hi list Sadly to say, my GTA02 is going to retire. It is having too much troubles to be used as a daily phone and I'm thinking to replace it. The perfect candidate is the GTA04 but I can't afford its cost right now. I didn't follow with attention the evolution of the smartphones market, so I'm asking you: what alternatives do I have? Is there something with a recent hardware but somehow open and that costs no more than 200€? I have to say that I'm not a big fan of android and for now I would prefer to go with a 30€ nokia in the pocket and a gnu/linux friendly tablet/netbook on the shoulders waiting for better times... what about a galaxy S(should be cheap enough) with Replicant (Android)? Else porting GNU/Linux on it shouldn't be too hard if you're skilled enough with theses kind of things(it's already ported to the Nexus S, and only lack very little to be usable). Denis. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Help needed with GSM Geolocation without GPS
On Mon, 5 Nov 2012 16:01:21 + (UTC) robin spielr...@web.de wrote: Hi, I wanted to give the GSM location a try. So what I would like to acchieve in the end is: 0. GPS off 1. GSM Cells are detected 2. Triangulation takes place (I don't know yet if eg signal strength is used) 3. Look-up in the OpenCellID offline (!) text database 4. Position being shown in NeronGPS as in eg in the Whereabouts-Mappingdemo shown on the QtMokoDev Page [1] Will the result work on SHR or on QtMoko or on both? Denis. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Some questions about the freerunne
On Tue, 16 Oct 2012 23:45:54 +0200 Michaël Parchet mparc...@sunrise.ch wrote: is there a possibility to add the 3g and make some phone with this ? Maybe trough USB host but that would eat the battery fast... Is there a software to reed and edit the opendocument ? Try abiword, abiword under SHR with the right abiword plugins could do the trick, else there is debian with openoffice or libreoffice, It may be ultra-slow under debian tough(because the freerunner is slow and libreoffice requires a lot of resources.). Wat's the antenna quality ? it's good ? No idea. There are a software to reed the aac (m4a) and mp3 I guess it depend on the distros, mp3 do work under SHR. I've no idea for ACC, I guess I should try... What's the music format ? I guess it depend on the distros. Whath's the warranty conditions ? It depend on the seller. There is no camera isn't it ? no camera, unless you add one trough USB host. PS: get a device from golden delicious if you can, they do all the hardware fixes: * #1024 fix (for longer suspend time) * bassfix (for having correct sound quality on the headset output) * buzzfix (for not having a buzz during calls,because else you have some probability to get it) Denis. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: problem with microsd
On Thu, 27 Sep 2012 11:17:30 +0200 Davide Scaini dsca...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all. I asked on shr user list with no luck. I'm using shr-core, I have this problem: the device for the microsd is not created, i.e. /dev/mmcblk0p1 does not exist. Do you have any fast fix? This is the problem: root@om-gta02:~# fdisk -l /dev/mmcblk0 Disk /dev/mmcblk0: 7948 MB, 7948206080 bytes 4 heads, 16 sectors/track, 242560 cylinders, total 15523840 sectors Units = sectors of 1 * 512 = 512 bytes Sector size (logical/physical): 512 bytes / 512 bytes I/O size (minimum/optimal): 512 bytes / 512 bytes Disk identifier: 0x36c4 Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System /dev/mmcblk0p1204812328959 6163456 83 Linux /dev/mmcblk0p21232896015523839 1597440 82 Linux swap / Solaris root@om-gta02:~# mount -t ext2 /dev/mmcblk0p1 /media/temp/ mount: special device /dev/mmcblk0p1 does not exist see http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Supported_microSD_cards and its paramters (rootwait glamo_mci.sd_max_clk=500 glamo_mci.sd_drive=3 etc...) Denis. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Problems using recent Rogers Wireless (Canada) SIMs in GTA02
On Thu, 27 Sep 2012 07:48:12 +0100 Al Johnson openm...@mazikeen.demon.co.uk wrote: Have you tried the new SIM in any other 2G-only phone? SIMs from 3(UK network) seem to work only in 3G-capable devices. I never looked into how or why, but it's possible Rogers are doing this with new SIMs either by accident or design. On Wednesday 26 September 2012 21:53:14 Pascal Gosselin wrote: In 2010, we were able to take circa mid-2008 Roger Wireless SIMs (Canada) borrowed from an iPhone 3G and get it to work in Android Froyo on the GTA02 850Mhz. Two years later, we decided to add some GPRS reporting capability to our Wi-Flight product which is currently using Wi-Fi only, we are unable to get a carrier registration at the AT command level using two Rogers SIMs (both from 2012, one used in an iPhone 4 and the other in a Samsung Galaxy S II Skyrocket (LTE)). The GSM baseband code was at Moko8 so we had the fix for bug 666. We tried Moko11 but it didn't make a difference. We repeated the same Android Froyo setup and indeed it doesn't work when we try the circa 2012 SIMs. What's your setup exactly? Our product doesn't run on Android, the Froyo stuff was just tried to attempt to replicate something that worked before. I found a working older Rogers full-sized SIM from my GSM-enabled alarm system, which I think it at least 3-4 years old. It worked just fine in a Nexus S and I was able to send an SMS and Edge data from the phone (it's a T-mobile AWS phone so no 3G on Rogers). The conclusion so far is that something has changed in the Rogers SIMs that makes it incompatible with the GTA02. I am wondering if anyone else has encountered this problem. I'd be happy to be able to get a Fido-branded card to work (haven't tried that yet). We've repeated the same issue with a half-dozen GTA02s so we're pretty sure it's not a one-off phone problem. Maybe you could try to debug it with simtrace(the hardware for tracing SIM communications, that is compatible with wireshark 1.8)? However if it's a problem with the modem firmware it would be hard to fix, one may think that there is osmocombb, but *selling* phones with osmocombb preinstalled may not be legal in your jurisdiction(I'm not a lawyer tough...). In that case I guess you would need to switch to another GNU/Linux phone(such as a GTA04, or another phone supported by SHR for instance,but that means that you'll probably have some availability issues(you'll need to find a reliable way to get such phone in the long run...)). Denis. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Shr-Devel] About the future of the freesmartphone.org middleware
On Fri, 2012-08-03 at 16:47 +0200, Neil Jerram wrote: Denis 'GNUtoo' Carikli gnu...@no-log.org writes: On Tue, 2012-07-31 at 23:13 +0200, Neil Jerram wrote: - GPS: it seems clear now that it was a mistake to pull that under the FSO umbrella, and that mobile devices should just use standard gpsd instead However I was told that adding support for AGPS and GTA02 UBX would not be straingtforward in gpsd. AGPS is very usefull to save/restore the AGPS data offline in order to speedup the fix. All that works on ogps. Hmm. I should probably concede here because I don't know any of the details or history. Technically, however, I'm surprised if there was no feasible way of doing this with gpsd. yes there is, I'm trying to use the hooks right now(I already fixed the permissions for doing that). Denis. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Shr-Devel] About the future of the freesmartphone.org middleware
On Tue, 2012-07-31 at 23:13 +0200, Neil Jerram wrote: - GPS: it seems clear now that it was a mistake to pull that under the FSO umbrella, and that mobile devices should just use standard gpsd instead However I was told that adding support for AGPS and GTA02 UBX would not be straingtforward in gpsd. AGPS is very usefull to save/restore the AGPS data offline in order to speedup the fix. All that works on ogps. Denis. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Open GSM firmware - OsmocomBB supports Neo FreeRunner
On Tue, 2012-07-10 at 13:14 +0200, Martix wrote: Hi! There is some GTA02 support in OsmocomBB project. You can flash open source firmware for TI Calypso GSM modem. http://bb.osmocom.org/trac/wiki/OpenMoko 1) no need to flash it, just load it. 2) flashing doesn't work currently with the calypso of the openmoko because its flash is not detected. Did anybody tried this firmware on his Neo FreeRunner? What's your experience? Is it usable with SHR or Qt Moko like old proprietary firmware? Calls, SMS, GPRS, SIM load/store (contacts, SMSs) works? How many successfully flashed devices are here? And how many bricks? ;-) Calls, SMS, SIM should worktrough the telnet interface... I'm not sure about the GPRS... Adding support for osmocombb in FSO is doable, however the big problem is that the layer 2 and layer 3 of GSM are actually not running on the calypso but on another CPU(for instance the CPU of a laptop/desktop, or it could run on the CPU running SHR as well, it only requires to cross-compile applications such as mobile etc..., it's easy to do). Why is running the layer 2 and 3 on the calypso CPU important? Simply because you may want to permit the CPU running SHR to suspend and to resume when you have a call or an SMS: with the proprietary firmware(which runs layer 1,2,3 on the calypso) it works that way: I don't know the exact details but I guess there is an interrupt line between the modem(calypso) and the CPU. If the CPU running SHR is suspended and that there is a call, the calypso, which is not suspended will trigger the wakeup of the CPU running SHR, the CPU will then wakeup and display that there is a call,ring and vibrate. I'm not a GSM protocol specialist yet, but I guess that if you're only running layer1 on the calypso you have no way to determine if there is an incoming call. The CPU that can do that is the one running SHR, and the layer 2 and 3, however if that CPU is suspended it can't know that there is a call. A workaround suggested long time ago by someone on IRC would be to wake up the CPU often and check if there is a call, however that may not be doable because suspend/resume may take quite some time, and the wakeup would eat more power etc... There are 2 ways to solve the problem correctly: 1) help with the port of the GSM applications on top of nuttx: While the gta02 is supported in nuttx,we were currently focussing on the c155 with its drivers(such as display,spi,uwire,poweroff etc...) 2) port the layer 2 and 3 to the calypso without the help of nuttx. Denis. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Deseperately need some GTA02 debug board cable...
Hi, my debug board cable again broke... With the debug board I was able to send some patches upstream like: http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux.git;a=commit;h=ad20ff920c1fd217578e2c637dd50c1878a21c06 http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux.git;a=commit;h=b2ccf065f7b23147ed135a41b01d05a332ca6b7e http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux.git;a=commit;h=b26469a8b139fba11d9336c1c117fafccfa9c7d5 http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux.git;a=commit;h=1ae5cbc52e7c6619a3f44b87809fd25370df31bb I was also able to produce updated kernels( https://gitorious.org/shr/linux/commits/shr-2.6.39-nodrm shr-3.x-nodrm branches ) for the gta02 but I didn't have enough time to fix all the bugs yet so they are not in use yet... The big problem is that It's way harder to track bugs without a debug board cable: with a debug board you can git bisect in a way more efficient way: you only need to apply a minimal set of patches on top of the commit you're testing...since you have serial you can see the output and interact with the phone... So Instead of finding or buying one debug board each time my cable break again I think it's way more efficient to get some cables-only. Does someone gives or sell such cables separately? Note(for the person selling/giving such cables) that the debug board itself still can be used separately from an openmoko: it is possible to use it as a BIOS flasher ( http://flashrom.org/FT2232SPI_Programmer#Openmoko ),serial port adapter or JTAG adapter... Denis. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [dfu-util] who use it for flashing FR?
On Monday, May 07, 2012 02:58:24 PM Patryk Benderz wrote: Hi all, regarding recent discussion on de...@lists.openmoko.org [1] I am asking, how many of you are still using dfu-util for flashing your FR's internal I do but I have not to forget to nand scrub my NAND before booting ( http://shr-project.org/trac/ticket/1524 ) memory? I also would like to inform you about new dfu-util release.[2] thanks. Denis. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Discussion: what are your dreams for the Openmoko Community
So what are your dreams with respect to open mobile handhelds? I desesperately want an usable phone for my use case: 1) free software only on the main CPU. 2)reliable telephony: Without a good SHR forwarder I can't use it at all, even if I forget about the other issues. I also suspect that the CPU is at 1GHz instead of 800Mhz with the 3.2 kernel in SHR, which makes the CPU overheat when it's at 100% too often which makes the phone shut down. 3)music playing in headphones by whatever means(bluetooth or wired, wired preferabily): I still need to resolder correctly my headphones. I would really like to install SHR on NAND to use my fat32 microsd but NAND isn't reliable, it only booted 1 of 2 times last time I tested: -the time where it doesn't boot I've tons of ECC errors -no errors at all when it boots fine. 4)reliable browsing without adds: We(SHR) failed there too: midori segfaults at startup eve doesn't support add blocking chromium doesn't support add-blocking firefox segfault at startup links -g segfault at startup 5)as a bonus: the ability to port applications to it(=not android, GNU/Linux with an openembedded-based build system, SHR fits it). 6)as a second bonus: people writing cool applications for the device(like applications to use the sensor, privacy applications like sms encryption etc... basically a bit like what's in FDroid[1]) So beause of the forwarding issue I'm back to the gta02 even if it has suspend/resume issue(big issues). Qtmoko wasn't really usable for me either(the volume is not loud enough for Italy(very noisy country)) so when I tried it I couldn't ear a thing from the remote person. What would you like as future hardware? I just need an usable smartphone, I don't care that much about the hardware but an n900-like device(800x480 screen resolution and orientation+a keyboard) would be nice because it would make software fit better on the screen. Since we don't have the manpower to fix all software to fit on the gta04 screen, why not adapt the phone instead? some games(wesnoth,supertux etc...) work well with 800x480, and many applications were ported to that resolution for the eeepc701. What to see in software distros? Anything else? What missing piece are you waiting for? A forwarder and more implications from the SHR developers that are away and will come back one day(tm). The lack of implication from some SHR developers(not all: some like Martin Jansa really do a good job, Simon Busch also do a very good job even if he's only a freesmartphone.org developper now) really annoyed me up to the point to made me quit SHR officially: things didn't advance fast enough, and no one was there for helping me in some difficult tasks like the forwarding, which made me frustrate more and also take even more work, which creates a burn out... which makes people quit. The quiting had a huge effect the week, everybody was on IRC and really worked on SHR and FSO, after but this week is kind of dead with only the usual minimal set of SHR developers(Martin Jansa) I really wonder what to domaybe I should work on the forwarder again Denis. [1] http://fdroid.org/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: what to with 02 when upgrading to 04? was: Re: How to bring forward the community?
It may not be that complicated, but it is morally wrong. It is morally wrong to help or support someone who is guilty of hoarding the good code and denying it to the public. so proprietary software(calypso source code is not free software) is morally good and free software(osmocombb and nuttx/nuttx-bb is free software) is morally wrong? And note that even if they had part of the source, and that's not enough. you want full source code and usually companies modifying the firmware basebands like openmoko don't have access to that. but osmocom-bb is maybe inefficent righ now(I'm working on fixing that ) but at least you have full source code of layer 1, layer 2, layer 3 you can do calls, sms etc...with it. you have even forks to detect if there are spying equipement connected to the network etc... you can get a real estimation of the RSSI and findout if the levels are too low and calling is dangerous... if you don't like contributing to osmocom-bb maybe you could contribute to fso and make it use osmocom-bb telnet interface for layer23? And about Harald Welte, you forget that he spent a lot of time studying GSM protocols, standards, writing the osmocom-bb code and he released that under a free software license with full source code, isn't that great? but you seem to prefer proprietary source code. Also, note that the non-free source code may be big, who would review it for backdoors? how would you compile it without non-free software? nobody would contribute to it etc... The only usefullness of proprietary source code is as a documentation to produce free source code. Denis. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: what to with 02 when upgrading to 04? was: Re: How to bring forward the community?
- what's so hackable about the calypso fw? as far as i recall, it was a major afford to get an updated fw and make it flashable. and how much less hackable is the new gsm chip's fw? Well, you can run osmocom-bb or nuttx on it. for instance with nuttx: root@om-gta02:~# /etc/init.d/dbus-1 stop Stopping system message bus: dbus. root@om-gta02:~# /etc/init.d/xserver-nodm stop Stopping XServer root@om-gta02:~# osmocon -i 13 -m romload -p /dev/ttySAC0 nuttx.bin [...] open a new shell and type: echo 0 /sys/bus/platform/devices/gta02-pm-gsm.0/power_on echo 1 /sys/bus/platform/devices/gta02-pm-gsm.0/power_on Then on the first shell you see: Preparing block 63, block checksum is 0xec handle_write_block(): 1024 bytes (1024/1024) handle_write_block(): Block 63 finished Received block ack from phone Preparing the last block, filling 616 bytes, block checksum is 0x75 handle_write_block(): 1024 bytes (1024/1024) handle_write_block(): Block 64 finished Finished, sent 64 blocks in total Received block ack from phone Sending checksum: 0x42 Checksum on phone side matches, let's branch to your code Branching to 0x0082 Received branch ack, your code is running now! NuttShell (NSH) then with a python script you can interact with the shell: root@om-gta02:~# ./loadwriter.py help which produces: nsh help NSH command forms: [nice [-d niceness]] cmd [ file| file] [] OR if cmd then [sequence of cmd] else [sequence of cmd] fi Where cmd is one of: [ expression ] ? cat path [path [path ...]] cp source-path dest-path dd if=infile of=outfile [bs=sectsize] [count=sectors] [skip=sectors] echo [string [string...]] exec hex-address exit free help kill -signal pid losetup [-d dev-path] | [[-o offset] [-r] dev-path file-path] ls [-lRs] dir-path mb hex-address[=hex-value][ hex-byte-count] mkfifo path mh hex-address[=hex-value][ hex-byte-count] mw hex-address[=hex-value][ hex-byte-count] ps sh script-path sleep sec test expression usleep usec xd hex-address byte-count Builtin Apps: Alternatively you can run a loader, a hello world, a rss firmware, a layer1(with layer23 running on the samsung SOC) firmware etc Denis. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: what to with 02 when upgrading to 04? was: Re: How to bring forward the community?
However, my work on building a Totally Illegal Phone That points nowhere. I think you should instead try to go the legal way, so you can't be attacked in court, because it's way too easy to attack you if you do something illegal. Theses companies have a lot of lawyers and spend a lot on it. The way to go is to improve nuttx port on calypso phones. it's not that complicated. Now it runs on the calypso of the freerunner(and on other phones too). so please instead of attacking the openmoko people which points nowhere( they won't give you the source, they could have given it to you already if they wished but they didn't. so I guess they don't want to and will never give you theses sources), do something productive and join us in making osmocom-bb usable(by improving the nuttx port on calypso and then porting osmocom-bb on top of it). so instead of waisting time on useless things, please join us. Denis. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Looking for a GPS only distribution for Freerunner
So, I'm looking for someone already working on a project like this: selecting and configuring the right tools for converting a FreeRunner in a raw in-car GPS. Why not making a GPS-only image, for instance in the SHR distribution. it's just a mather of selecting the right packages to put in the images and waiting(a very very long time) for it to compile. Denis. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Gta04-owner] QtMoko v38 for GTA04 with suspend and GSM calls
hi, how did you get suspend working reliabily? personally I've that: [ 406.115966] platform l3_main.0: LATE power domain suspend [ 406.121612] platform iva.0: LATE power domain suspend [ 406.126892] platform mpu.0: LATE power domain suspend [ 406.132171] omap_l3_smx omap_l3_smx.0: LATE power domain suspend [ 406.138458] reg-dummy reg-dummy: LATE suspend [ 406.143035] PM: late suspend of devices complete after 682.739 msecs [ 406.149688] Checking wakeup interrupts [ 406.876373] Successfully put all powerdomains to target state [ 406.882507] reg-dummy reg-dummy: EARLY resume [ 406.887115] omap_l3_smx omap_l3_smx.0: EARLY power domain resume [ 406.893402] platform mpu.0: EARLY power domain resume [ 406.898681] platform iva.0: EARLY power domain resume [ 406.903961] platform l3_main.0: EARLY power domain resume Should the userspace suspend/resume work in a way that is similar to android(but in userspace): The display would be powered off etc and the phone would try to suspend all the time and would fully resume when he get a good reason to do so(like a phone call or an user pressing the resume button). Denis. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Gta04-owner] [FOSDEM] Third call for sessions for the FOSDEM cross-distribution miniconference
and the other one describing the state of the ports. I guess I'll have to be part of the talk since I'm the one that knows all the ports, But that doesn't necessarly means that I would be the only one involved in that, I think we should involve all the people doing ports. By the way, what about also doing a talk on how to port a new device to FSO+SHR? Denis. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Replicant for GTA04? (Was WebOS for GTA04?)
After HP announced to open source WebOS I wonder what we need to get it onto a GTA04 device? And is there already a clear picture how completely the source will be opened? Under which licence? And which limitations? Which timeframe? Questions over questions... Let's discuss answers... Why not porting Replicant to it too? Replicant is a fully free android version: * The non-free low level libraries are replaced by free equivalents * The market is replaced by FDroid When I was involved in it we freed some devices like the htc dream and the nexus one but we then realized that the devices themselves were the problem: The modem in theses device had too much power(it controlled the sound card, the GPS and could read/write on RAM of the main CPU). So then the current main developer ported the nexus S to it which is way better: * The audio codec is attached to the main CPU * the GPS is attached to the main CPU * The modem can't read/write the RAM of the main CPU and cannot read/write the NAND either however it suffer from a proprietary and partially signed bootloader. The GTA04 has none of theses freedom problems... Denis. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [OT] HP contributes webOS software to the open source community
For me SHR or QTMoko should takes the card metaphor idea. It is really THE thing for me + the gesture handling, and both can be taken. I personally would love to be able to adapt these in Enlightenment. It's already done in elfe but requires a 24 or 32bit framebuffer. *)enable elfe and disable illume-home *)enable compositing *)bind the key for switching to the card mode *)press that key Denis. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GTA04 Group Buy - Status
What is the status of the GTA04 graphics chip implementation. I have done a lot of work on the GTA02 with my graphics based apps, and the main issue for me is the very poor graphics performance with the chip in use on that platform. I run the apps over the USB link to any PC using X, and the performance of the app is quite satisfactory. On the GTA02 screen itself, its very poor to the extent that its not useful. Is the new board using the same graphics interface, or can the new board do some reasonable level of smooth display and animation? First xf86-video-omapfb has XV acceleration, Then it seem that the display depth is 32bit, which permits software compositing in enlightenment. Denis. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [SHR] distro upgrade
Because my problem is that my lock button is broken. So, to reflash, I have to open the phone and manually make contact, which is quite difficult for a clumsy man. why not booting on microsd and then flashing from there? Denis. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GTA02 fails to charge
On Thu, 2011-09-29 at 19:52 -0400, Brian wrote: On Thu, 29 Sep 2011 16:50:33 -0500 Cristian Gómez cristianp...@gmail.com wrote: I have a doubt about this because my FreeRunner only lasts 1 day charged and I want to use it more now, I read this thread and like Ivan, the first thing that comes to my mind is: new battery, do you know what models of batteries works fine with FreeRunner (let's say Nokia's 1100 or so)?? Thanks in advance You can use some of the common Nokia batteries with caveats. Details can be found here: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Battery_Questions_and_Answers#Hardware_capabilities You'll need to use the dumb battery kernel module as well. Instructions for that are on the same page. I've used BL-6C/5C/4C Nokia batteries without problems but as the wiki suggests don't trust the capacity when it starts getting low. I've tried it, and on SHR it works out of the box, however only the kernel supports charging the battery, not the bootloader, so I need the original battery for flashing it trough the NOR uboot. Denis. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: phone extraction device
On Sun, 2011-10-02 at 04:12 +0200, Rashid wrote: You may have heard about the Cellebrite cell phone extraction device (UFED) in the news lately. It gives law enforcement officials the ability to access all the information on your cell phone within a few short minutes. http://translogic.aolautos.com/2011/04/29/police-device-used-to-steal-your-cell-phone-data-during-traffic/ Does it work at free runners too? (Well a debug board could probably do it but hey). I guess no one got one to test... PS: I wonder what's the relation between rooting a phone and that device(does the device need to root the phone to gather certain informations?). Denis. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Liberated Calypso docs found
1. Acting on the authority of the Presidium of the Supreme Soviet of the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics and the decrees of V. I. Lenin, declare TI's copyright on the ware to be null and void in the USSR jurisdiction Not a good idea, see http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/pirate-party.html Denis. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Liberated Calypso docs found
On Tue, 2011-09-27 at 18:23 +, Michael Sokolov wrote: Please correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought OsmocomBB still runs GSM layers 2 and 3 on the external host, not on the Calypso itself, right? And no in-call handover yet, no SMS yet, probably nothing even close to deep sleep mode yet... I would love to be proven wrong on this though. * there was an abandoned port of nuttx, a microcontroller OS(better call it executive environment). if you want a drop-in replacement it may be the way to go, you would also need to write an AT interpreter... * you could try to cross compile it for running it on the ARM samsung SOC...(did you try already to make a call with it? (you would need to activate the transmit feature for that(activating that breaks the law since you would need regulatory aproval, and it lacks it, consult a lawyer for more information...), but since you don't care about the law) Personally I think I'll go the legal way, with the GSM test license and the USRP, but I'm not sure it's really needed in order to get nuttx running on it, and I've not decided yet if I'll do it(since SHR needs some love too). Denis. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Gta04-owner] GTA04 Boot speed comparison
BTW: David has reported that the original QtMoko rootfs image does boot and allows to do some useful things on the GTA04. So it does not appear difficult to adapt a real and full QtMoko (or SHR or hackable:1 or ...) release for the GTA04. I wrote a porting guide for SHR(we also have one for android phones specificities...) it's here: http://www.shr-project.org/trac/wiki/Device%20Porting%20Guide So everyone is welcome to port SHR to it and to improve the guide(it's rather minimalist right now) Denis. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Writing my own Free Plain Phone sw distro for GTA02
In order words, the phone functionality I am after is what people would call a dumb phone, or I prefer to call it a Plain Phone to use a more neutral / non-derogatory term. feature phone is also non-derogatory and means exacty the same thing Learning motivation: that's the biggest one for me. I am a knowledge freak. I want to know, know, know. check out the wiki, there is explanation on how the hardware works there... I realize that I will unfortunately have to treat the Calypso GSM block as a black box. If I had a spare million dollars laying around, I could probably find an ex-Openmoko-Inc employee whom I could bribe for an illegal copy of the 3 missing schematic sheets and of whatever mix of partial source and linkable binary/object modules I'm guessing they must have had for the Calypso firmware: still not stellar, but better than what the community currently possesses, which is a block diagram on schematic page 14 and a fully-built FW image. But I don't have a spare $1M laying around, so that is probably not an option. :-( learn about osmcombb, however it's not a drop-in replacement as it lacks: *an AT command interpreter part(however they have an abandoned nuttx port) *any kind of certification needed for connecting to carrier networks But even with the GSM modem being a black box sequestered behind a serial port, still that's not so bad, the GSM modem doesn't control the CODEC(the sound card) nor the GPS. As a more concrete example, I don't want my UI to use either GTK or Qt, and in fact I don't want any pre-existing UI code period: I want to design and implement my own UI 100% myself. My UI design will be rather monolithic, centering around Plain Phone functionality: making and receiving plain old voice calls on the GSM network, receiving, replying to and composing SMS, managing contacts, and that's about it. (*No* apps or the like.) I will implement my Plain Phone UI in plain C using just libX11, no GTK or Qt, because that's my programming comfort zone. too bad because there was already a feature-phone distro called aurora, but its GUI is in QT(using the framebuffer), but yet very basic. I also don't like dbus: too modern for my taste. Hence I will need to implement my own version of gsmd that doesn't depend on dbus or any other infrastructural backbone of a modern Linux distro. too bad that rules out freesmartphone, which is a great hardware abstraction layer. if you would use freesmartphone you could have written the GUI quickely enough to make it a reality. 1. Learn the process for loading new code images into the phone, build a very basic rootfs image (using the techniques and principles from my HEClinux-am3517 project) that does nothing other than allow an ssh root login over the USB port, load it, get it to boot (debug board with serial console bring-out for the win!) and get the USB login to work. Try doing it with the battery removed (USB power only) if possible. just read the wiki for that. 2. Write the first inklings of the battery charger daemon: minimal power management code to enable battery charging and control the USB current draw limiter. Charge the battery and see it boot w/o USB power. battery charging is done in the kernel. 3. Write the first minimal gsmd. Have it save incoming SMS in an airlog file with no UI. Try placing an outbound call or sending an SMS from the command line (from the shell accessed via USB port login session). 4. Write the bottom layer of my own UI, roughly taking the place of the X11 window manager. Have the userland display *something* on the LCD. why not using framebuffer directly? Denis. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: osmocombb?
On Friday, August 26, 2011 02:42:33 pm Timo Juhani Lindfors wrote: Benjamin Deering ben_deer...@swissmail.org writes: Has anyone tried this open source calypso firmware on their freerunner yet? http://bb.osmocom.org/trac/ Not many of us have our own base station yet and afaik it is not legal to use osmocombb in a public network. Also, it's not a drop-in replacement currently. layer23 runs on a computer(be it your laptop or the samsung SOC of the freerunner...) and it doesn't have an AT interpreter(instead it's an interactive command line interface). altough they have a port of an RTOS named nuttx for the calypso, however no one are working on it anymore...so maybe someone should continue that work... Note that I didn't try it yet(I'm will work to get the money to buy an USRP + A test license to try it ) Denis. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GTA04 hardware suggestion and discussions : 802.11n dual-band+Bluetooth+FM transceiver (Broadcom BCM4329)
Bcm4329. Driver has some issues...dichiara as : *Androidi specific driver *No cfg80211 *can have wext...but no standard scanning Denis Sentire from a mobile device Glenn glenn.mh...@gmail.com ha scritto: Another hardware suggestion for GTA04Ax: This chip could be a candidate for dual-band wi-fi (2,4 and 5,4GHz), Bluetooth and FM transceiver: Broadcom BCM4329: http://www.broadcom.com/products/Bluetooth/Bluetooth-RF-Silicon-and-Software-Solutions/BCM4329 Quote: ... The BCM4329 also utilizes advanced design techniques and process technologies to reduce active and idle power consumption and extend battery life. ... # Broadcom's most integrated 65 nm single-chip combo device with single-band (2.4 GHz) 802.11b/g/n or dual-band (2.4 GHz and 5 GHz) 802.11a/b/g/n, plus Bluetooth 2.1 + EDR and FM receiver and transmitter features ... # Full featured, on-chip Power Management Unit supporting direct battery (2.3V to 5.5V) connection ... Broadcom - VoIP Android Tablet Support: http://www.thesearethedroids.com/2010/02/09/broadcom-voip-android-tablet-support/ Quote: ... As part of the Mobile World Congress demonstrations next week, Broadcom is also showcasing Android support across a range of other solutions including: ... Multi-chip Android support in a consumer multimedia tablet device based on the BCM11211 VoIP processor and leverages the BCM1181 for multimedia processing, the BCM4329 for Bluetooth and Wi-Fi, and the BCM4750 for GPS. ... Search: http://www.google.dk/search?q=linux+BCM4329+driver http://www.spinics.net/lists/linux-wireless/msg43910.html Quote: ... In case you haven't seen this yet, Broadcom has an open (!) driver on the Android git tree with support for SDIO/SPI for bcm4329. http://tinyurl.com/broadcom-android-bcm4329 [ http://android.git.kernel.org/?p=platform/system/wlan/broadcom.git;a=tree ] The commit log entry dated 2009-10-29 states: Linux WLAN driver for BCM4329 - Low-Power 802.11n with Bluetooth(R) 2.1+ EDR and FM (Tx and Rx) ... http://www.spinics.net/lists/linux-wireless/msg43951.html Quote: ... While this driver is currently used for Android, there is nothing that precludes its use on non-Android flavors of Linux. ... http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=699135 Quote: ... Looking through the teardown from iFixit.com, the EVO has the same Wifi/Bluetooth chip as the Nexus 1 and Droid Incredible: BCM4329 ... Froyo has it ... BCM4329: http://theiphonewiki.com/wiki/index.php?title=BCM4329 Quote: ... This is the radio chip that is being used in the iPod touch 3G, iPad, iPhone 4, iPod touch 4G, and Apple TV 2G. ... Network World, 09/11/2009, 11n Wi-Fi chip discovered in new iPod Touch: http://www.networkworld.com/news/2009/091109-ipod-touch-broadcom.html Citat: ... The new Apple iPod Touch uses a Wi-Fi chip that can support the just-approved high-throughput 802.11n standard, though Apple apparently has not switched on the cranked-up wireless link. The single chip combines 802.11n with 802.11abg, Bluetooth, and FM radio. It runs in both the 2.4 GHz and 5 GHz bands. Full details are in the company's data sheet for the chip. ... Maybe there is already an Ipod Touch 11n wi-fi driver: http://www.rockbox.org/ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rockbox What is Rockbox? Why should I use it?: http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/WhyRockbox Freemyipod: http://www.freemyipod.org/ December 9, 2008 Broadcom introduces combo 802.11n chip: http://news.cnet.com/8301-1035_3-10119038-94.html - http://androidcommunity.com/forums/f10/wifi-support-need-wpa2-7116/index2.html Quote: ... Android doesn't support WPA2 Enterprise. You need wifihelper to TRY if it works. I have the same issue, my university uses WPA2 enterprise... no luck connecting... ... Download wifi Helper from the Android Market by Fan Zhang. Use it to setup your wpa_supplicants file; engineering mode requires the Pro version (at 0.99 USD, it's worth it...) If you experience problems scanning for networks (this happened to me upon first installation)... make sure you have set Allow Always when wifiHelper asks for root permissions while running, and double check your configuration by using Manage Configurations, and re-enter if necessary after setting the Allow Always permissions. ... - BCM4329 test: April 21, 2010 iPad WiFi Woes - Myth or Reality?: http://www.padgadget.com/2010/04/21/ipad-wifi-woes-myth-or-reality/ Quote: ... To keep it simple, we mainly focused on signal quality, as well as the average download speed the devices could sustain. ... # iPad (WiFi-only model): iPhone OS 3.2, 16GB Flash, WiFi via Broadcom BCM4329XKUBG (basically a BCM4322AG with Bluetooth support, driver version unknown) ... Results Signal Strength Let's be clear, the iPad performed decently, but performance was not on par with the MacBook and the HP Tablet PC. First things first, range. It is obvious that the iPad's WiFi range is limited compared to the other devices, very likely due to the fact that the Wifi
Re: GTA04 hardware suggestion and discussions : 802.11n dual-band+Bluetooth+FM transceiver (Broadcom BCM4329)
On Sat, 2011-02-05 at 09:18 +0100, Glenn Moeller-Holst wrote: 9th January 2011, Bcm4329 driver source code: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=906628 Quote: ... I tried many ways, last modified module name, unexpectedly successful, it is funny. I wouldn't go for an android driver, That driver doesn't have cfg80211. It has only WEXT, and WEXT scanning(iwlist eth0 scan) doesn't work because the scanning method is non-standard(iwpriv) It could be modified to support scanning, but then what if a stack like SHR or FSO start depending on libnl for wifi? I think other drivers like wl1271 are better, they should be more standard as they are integrated in the linux kernel. wl1271 even supports AP mode. wl1271 also has a redistributable firmware now. From Kconfig: CONFIG_WL12XX: This module adds support for wireless adapters based on TI wl1271 and TI wl1273 chipsets. This module does *not* include support for wl1251. For wl1251 support, use the separate homonymous driver instead. Does the chip need to have android support too? Denis. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: some advertising
On Wed, 2011-01-12 at 16:38 +0100, Sylvain Paré wrote: :) you are welcome for the .ogg! the cons is that I can't know how many personne did look the video as I only have a counter on vimeo. (only html code on my personnal page...) count me as viewer of the ogg version. Denis. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: gestures (on SHR)
I can't seem to get past the initial make the gesture after selecting a model and pressing the train button. I've the same issue. Should the frontend still function as described in the wiki? I started looking into the underlying scripts, but haven't found the start or end yet. The library is still under heavy construction all the time... ??? The program for the gestures is named accelges and it's rather the contrary,and it seem that that program is not mained anymore. It would be nice to have it working again. Denis. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [e-users] Someone is trying to patent Quickwriting
On Sun, 2010-11-21 at 16:24 +0100, Daniele Ricci wrote: On Sun, Nov 21, 2010 at 15:41, Dave Andreoli d...@gurumeditation.it wrote: Yeah , ABSOLUTELY!! What can we do to stop this patent? 8pen is EXACTLY the same as quikwriting. what can we do? are you involved in the quikwriting project? did you contact them? DaveMDS I contacted the 8pen company: just one reply and that's it. They're not responding any more. Probably they think they're in a bad position. I also sent a mail to prof. Perlin, the quickwriting creator, no reply. What about FSF? What about SFLC? Denis. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Another so suitable for freeruner?
On Mon, 2010-11-08 at 20:45 +0100, David Lanzendörfer wrote: I'm sure GNUtoo will be pleased to do this too, as soon as he got a new OpenMoko. I've already one, I do not need 2 freerunner for this project. Denis. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [GTA04] When is the next and more powerful openmoko releasing
Sean has given us a very important learning: we should use catalog components (e.g. DigiKey, Farnell, Mouser, RS-Components) as good as possible. Unfortunately they don't have a smartphone case. Maybe you can find one here: http://www.gizmoforyou.net/site/shop/gizmos/computing/flow/flow-g1-5.html Denis. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Openmoko on Wikipedia
On Thu, 2010-10-28 at 10:27 +0200, Eric Ehlers wrote: Hello, I added a new section (2.5) to the Openmoko page on wikipedia in an attempt to reflect the latest status of the project: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Openmoko I also think that the history is a bit short, but I don't know enough to complete it. For instance, I think it was the first commercial free phone. but I don't know when exactly the gta01 and gta02 were commercialized. I also wonder if it's the first commercial phone(or not) that permitted the installation of native applications(I wonder if the app store for the iphone came before or after the openmoko) It would be nice to have more info, because else it would be forgetten... Denis. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Freerunner - small and fast distribution only for GPS
On Sun, 2010-08-29 at 16:03 +0200, Carsten Gerlach wrote: Hi, Am Samstag 28 August 2010 schrieb Timo Juhani Lindfors: I don't really see the point in having a yet another distribution. Just take an existing distribution and configure it to fit this task. Optionally contribute back some new packages. Configuring a system for GPS-only use is an interesting challenge. 1) The filesystem probably should be read-only so that you can turn the power off at any time, right? 2) The only volatile part of the filesystem would then be the gps tracks? Yes of course, you are right, maybe there is no need for a new distro, a modification of a existing one can work. But when we come to your mentioned read-only filesystem, then I dont't know if it is possible only by configuring? And what is with all the drivers for wifi, USB, GSM and so on which are not needed? Can we do this without compiling a new kernel? Ok, my first test would be to take an existing distro and remove all packages, which I don't need. Then we will see... What would be a good starting distro? I would take SHR, but maybe another would be better? Greetings, Carsten maybe use SHR as distro or derive from it and make a custom and new image. Denis. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Freerunner - small and fast distribution only for GPS
Hi, Am Samstag 28 August 2010 schrieb Timo Juhani Lindfors: I don't really see the point in having a yet another distribution. Just take an existing distribution and configure it to fit this task. Optionally contribute back some new packages. Configuring a system for GPS-only use is an interesting challenge. 1) The filesystem probably should be read-only so that you can turn the power off at any time, right? 2) The only volatile part of the filesystem would then be the gps tracks? Yes of course, you are right, maybe there is no need for a new distro, a modification of a existing one can work. But when we come to your mentioned read-only filesystem, then I dont't know if it is possible only by configuring? And what is with all the drivers for wifi, USB, GSM and so on which are not needed? Can we do this without compiling a new kernel? Ok, my first test would be to take an existing distro and remove all packages, which I don't need. Then we will see... What would be a good starting distro? I would take SHR, but maybe another would be better? Maybe: *take SHR or derives from it in openembedded, *create a new lighter image. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: WikiReader sales and the future of Openmoko
And if it frees up developer resources to doing just hardware and kernel support by not doing a huge effort like OE-based Om2007.2/Om2008/Om2009 on the software distribution, I'm all for it. hmmm. on htcdream, having something half-usable was so hard... for instance: No alsa driver shipped with the android kernel. Thanks to codeaurora/qualcomm for writing an alsa driver...but I spent countless hours trying to debug it(with printks)... At the end it worked but it was far from easy. wifi(we spent a long time looking at kernel config),GPS(I was only a tester/dumper),real-suspend(the offending commit was found by alain2210 after a very long git bisect) etc each thing to make work was hard...(but in another hand I'm a kernel newbie) Thanks to leviathan,mickeyl,alain2210,phh,Thingol etc... for the help!!! now it's a lot more usable, and I look forward for: *GPS integration in FSO(should be done very soon) *fix the remaining buffer underruns in alsa(fix avaliable but I wasn't able to make it work) *keyboard mapping *wifi PSM Denis. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
