Re: Android open sourced
tis 2008-10-21 klockan 17:48 +0200 skrev Didier Raboud: Cédric Berger wrote: You have to grant your copyright to Google... This is because of yow copyright works, it's the same with GNU so _that_ part really shouldn't hurt if Google had chosen a FOSS style license ... / Fredrik signature.asc Description: Detta är en digitalt signerad meddelandedel ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: consider buying Neo Freerunner
Hi. This is my first and hopefully only post in where I whine. I love my FreeRunner - but it doesn't work as a phone reliably (I sure don't want to miss my first daughter being born soon) and the progress since July when I bought it is far from convincing ... FSO sure looks good but it won't help that I can theoretically use the phone with any UI and applications thinkable, unless the hardware and it's basic functionality works. My whining ends with: * Can't call reliably * GPS takes forever * Accelerometer's interface * Bluetooth with a headset is far from working * Playing ogg/mp3 that all my other phones does hogs the CPU * usage patterns regarding power and battery - there's a LOT to wish for * using speaker as a conference phone ... well do I need to So what use cases is left that it can actually fulfill? * A wonderful toy * A wonderful playground for learning python * A wonderful project (the commercial GPS product does show that it *should* work) * book stand but I don't know what to do with it - it's almost useless in it's current state. My suggestion: Wait for GTA03. On the other hand - I do believe that they will fix everything with the GTA02 and that the phone will be really awesome. Perhaps the GTA03 will have the same mountain of issues that the GTA02 version has revealed. I have a fever (home from work) so perhaps that's pulling my mood down a bit too - normally I'd just warn you with the last My suggestion part. :) HTH, Fredrik PS. If one would want to go with Qt Extended, the phone is much more useful and complete regarding the software. But the hardware issues are still the same. DS mån 2008-10-20 klockan 16:19 +0200 skrev [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hello, I consider buying Neo Freerunner, and would like to use it with Debian (since its what I have on my PC). I intend to use it as my primary cellphone and not merely as PDA. My problem is the Hardware bugs, mainly concerning audio quality during call, listed here http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_FreeRunner_Hardware_Issues#Poor_Audio_Quality : # Caller hears a loud echo of their own voice #1267 # Buzzing noise caused by GSM radio interference #883 #1352 My question is - would those hardware bugs be fixed in some revision of GTA2 or do I have to wait until GTA3? If it is going to be fixed in GTA2 how long could it presumably take before new revision will be available for purchase, and if not, the same question regarding presumable release of GTA3? If neither option will be availabe soon - do you know some alternatives - a smartphone with option to install debian on it, so it could be usable? I ask because of this recent post: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Improving_user_experience#Overview : Won't work on om2007 stack. Won't do hardware. thank you in advance Zeev ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community signature.asc Description: Detta är en digitalt signerad meddelandedel ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: consider buying Neo Freerunner
mån 2008-10-20 klockan 21:36 +0100 skrev t m: So to summarize, if you want to play it safe wait for GTA03. How do you know that they'll not go through the same process with GTA03 that we've all been doing with GTA02? Wasn't GTA02 supposed to be the stable version? / Fredrik signature.asc Description: Detta är en digitalt signerad meddelandedel ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Virtualized developer system (was Re: Back to the basics: improving user experience)
fre 2008-10-17 klockan 21:46 -0400 skrev Joel Newkirk: What would you want to be included in such an image, realistically?I have one currently with Ubuntu 8.04 jeos+XFCE, toolchain, qemu via mokomakefile, latest Enlightenemnt e17(as of three weeks ago, at least). This is a great setup - have you added info to the wiki on where one can download this image? / Fredrik signature.asc Description: Detta är en digitalt signerad meddelandedel ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [FSO] GPRS
lör 2008-10-11 klockan 19:06 -0400 skrev Joel Newkirk: I successfully followed the process outlined at http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GPRS_FSO and got GPRS working through T-Mobile. (internet3.voicestream.com) (this is on Raster+FSO) But there's a few things...[snip] I understood from previous discussions on the mailinglist that this is the nature of the beast, that we won't get GPRS working DURING a GSM call - at least not with this GSM hardware. Is that correct or not? (I'd dearly love to be able to push a few packets when an incoming call starts ringing through - callerid name lookups) The muxer lets us keep both connections configured, but GSM voice trumps GPRS data in an XOR. Sounds like this won't be resolved ever for phones with this GSM chipset (Calypso in my case)? That really sucks and really breaks one of my intended use cases (not that anyone *should* care, really). Using the OpenMoko thing as a conference phone _and_ internet gateway at the same time hence is not possible? (Unless you do VOIP for phone conferencing.) / Fredrik signature.asc Description: Detta är en digitalt signerad meddelandedel ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: mdbus not available - but where?
ons 2008-10-08 klockan 15:58 +0200 skrev Arne Zachlod: if I try gprs-on.sh there is this answer: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/media/card# ./gprs-on.sh /org/freesmartphone/GSM/Device: ActivateContext failed: org.freedesktop.DBus.Python.Exception i have no idea what that means or what i could do to fix this problem, does anybody has a hint? I got this a couple of times (after reboots) if zhone hadn't started. Might have changed since I last had time to dig in/try out. / Fredrik signature.asc Description: Detta är en digitalt signerad meddelandedel ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: New pulseaudio supports bluetooth devices
tor 2008-10-09 klockan 01:19 +0100 skrev Rui Miguel Silva Seabra: PulseAudio 0.9.13 introduces support for Bluetooth audio devices http://pulseaudio.org/milestone/0.9.13 Very exciting. I've been using my SonyEricsson BT-headset for about 18 months using alsa's support for bluetooth and A2DP. With Ubuntu 8.04 the quality (hifi) went down marginally (I haven't had the time to search on how to increase sbc bitpool[0] (which is my guess on what happened)). However, It's been working very well, even enabling me to actually use the restrooms at work whithout having to pause/stop until I get back to my desk. :) However, the bluetooth adapter[1] I used with my previous laptop had better performance (range, distance from headset to laptop) than the builtin chip/stuff in my T61. / Fredrik [0] This is from my .a2dprc file I used when I compiled alsa-bt stuff myself (before Ubuntu 8.04): # Allows to specify the sbc bitpool, this can help reducing bandwith # 8 Allows to run on a 115200 bauds with corresponding quality ;) # 64 needs USB or 921600 bauds # Recommended value from Bluetooth spec. is 53 sbcbitpool=53 [1] lsusb says Bus 002 Device 002: ID 0a5c:200a Broadcom Corp. Bluetooth dongle signature.asc Description: Detta är en digitalt signerad meddelandedel ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
OpenMoko codesprint at FSCONS, 24th Oct
Hi freedom lovers, The organizers of this year's FSCONS[0], hosted in Gothenburg Sweden, earlier this week announced[1] that it will host an OpenMoko code sprint. The details posted[2] says that the goal of the sprint is to work on an application called voj (see the site for details) but also to just shed light on the project and answer questions for any of those not familiar to the OpenMoko project. I'm one of those that will be at the site and try to get as many as possible to throw their Nokias, SE:s and Motorolas out the window and instead decide they choose freedom and OpenMoko over ... some bad words regarding their current locked in phones. :) I'm glad this takes place in my hometown and I urge anyone that has the possibility to take part to either visit the conference which I feel is truly one a kind, or by joining the mailing list at http://mail.fscons.org/mailman/listinfo or jump in on irc://irc.freenode.net/fscons and say hi. Hopefully we'll get the media present interested enough to run a story on how open source collaboration can look like (Agile, very close to it's users and leveraging functionality actually requested by real users and not some developer apartment). Apologies if you consider this being spam. I hope to see you at the conference! / Fredrik Wendt [0] http://fscons.org/ October 24th - 26th @ IT University Gothenburg [1] http://fscons.org/2008/10/07/openmoko-code-sprint/ [2] http://fscons.org/openmoko-codesprint/ PS. Briefly on FSCONS: As three of the biggest names in community organisations, Free Software Foundation Europe, Creative Commons and Wikimedia Sverige are joining forces under the banner of Free Society at this years FSCONS. With the help of many different organisations like Debian GNU/linux, KDE, Postgres, OpenStreetMap, Midgard, CCMixter, Magnatune and the Icelandic Fab Labs, FSCONS will be a truly unique experience. DS signature.asc Description: Detta är en digitalt signerad meddelandedel ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Building FSO Wiki page
sön 2008-10-05 klockan 21:04 +1030 skrev Rod Whitby: Previdi Roberto wrote: On Sun, Oct 5, 2008 at 12:27 AM, Rod Whitby [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2) if i issue a make update openembedded complains that it don't know where to update from... the Makefile was updated to match this. Did you run make update-makefile and try again? i tried but the makefile just doesn't have the update-makefile target.. Apologies for that - the FSO makefile updates itself automatically as part of the normal make update target. So if you'd done that you should have got the new makefile. Is this why http://downloads.freesmartphone.org/fso-testing/images/ doesn't produce daily builds any more? (guess it's not) / Fredrik signature.asc Description: Detta är en digitalt signerad meddelandedel ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: USB host successes
tis 2008-09-23 klockan 22:17 +1200 skrev Robin Paulson: i also got a usb kb, so no more onscreen kb for terminal work - thoroughly recommended Which distribution are you using? This have never worked for me in X (on FSO) and it's a real PITA ... / Fredrik signature.asc Description: Detta är en digitalt signerad meddelandedel ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
[FSO] a couple of things
Hi. Playing with FSO is fun as always, but there are a couple of things that hinders me from being productive. * I've failed to find dbus methods to call for sending SMS messages. * I still can't use a keyboard via USB in X. This means I need a computer to enter code. Actually with FSO testing image of 20080921 (the 09:xx build) I can't get my phone into USB host mode. The steps I normally take is * boot Fr * ssh in via USB * start bluetooth and set up IP connection * dump USB cable * try to get it into host mode (used to work) * Finally, the lack of locale support for sv_SE.UTF-8 prevents me from using the phone on a day-to-day basis. (Can't use IRC properly via ssh.) FIXED: * offset when X is rotated. xrandr -o 1 / Fredrik signature.asc Description: Detta är en digitalt signerad meddelandedel ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [FSO] a couple of things
sön 2008-09-21 klockan 22:23 +0200 skrev Fredrik Wendt: * I still can't use a keyboard via USB in X. This means I need a computer to enter code. Actually with FSO testing image of 20080921 (the 09:xx build) I can't get my phone into USB host mode. Hmm. Don't know what I was on. What happens is that /dev/input/event5 is there, hexdump on it shows data but NumLock and CapsLock doesn't light up when hit (it did this before). There's no input in X. After /etc/init.d/xserver-nodm restart and /etc/init.d/frameworkd restart I get: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/media/card/software/install# lsof | grep event5 python1621 root 12r CHR 13,691560 /dev/input/event5 python1621 root 16r CHR 13,691560 /dev/input/event5 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/media/card/software/install# ps 1621 PID TTY STAT TIME COMMAND 1621 ?Ss 0:26 python /usr/bin/frameworkd Any help would be highly appreciated. / Fredrik PS. xev isn't installed with the images built. DS signature.asc Description: Detta är en digitalt signerad meddelandedel ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: (Some?) 3G support for Linux from Nokia - relevant for future models?
First off, I'd just like to say that this is a great discussion (although it has very little to do about 3G support for Linux :) tor 2008-09-18 klockan 10:14 +1000 skrev Lorn Potter: Mikko Rauhala wrote: to, 2008-09-18 kello 05:45 +1000, Lorn Potter kirjoitti: Mikko Rauhala wrote: Personally I'll be loathe to buy Nokia products anyway, they're just way too inconsistent with their policies and have no commitment to free software whatsoever. I would beg to differ. Trolltech is now part of Nokia, Qt and Qtopia certainly are open source and I can tell you for certain, we are committed to keeping them open source. Sure Nokia has some products which happen to be free software. That doesn't make them committed to free software, what with being eg. hostile to free formats, IANAL, but... (nor am I a spokesperson for Nokia) [...] development in general through their patent lobby, very much clueless in top level press comments about these subjects, and in general not being very consistent in what they're up to in this area. Nokia employs thousands of _individuals_, we are not borg, nor do we all think and act the same. Maemo is quite good. That is pure Nokia. Qt and Qtopia are good, that is now from Nokia... The tablet OS has significant proprietary portions, both third party and in-house - the latter having insiders commenting that it's difficult (when at all possible) to get the go-ahead to free the code properly. Not to mention the target hardware platform pretty much requires binary blob kernel code and such (last I checked anyway). Not meaning to start a Nokia flamefest here, it was originally just a side comment, but since we have a (paid) on-list representative here, apparently a reminder of the other side of the coin is in order. Not sure if you are aware, but I have my roots from within the community, [...] Change _will_ happen. But it will happen slowly. I believe a fair part of the criticism (or skepticism) is based on expectations. Now that Nokia bought Trolltech a lot of different things could happen: - Nokia believes in the future of Open Source and heavily invests in Trolltech and tries to expand it's business and/or increase -- speed -- width/breadth -- depth (_100 % free software on the Qtopia stack, maemo, etc) -- opens up hardware -- tries to stop the cat-and-mouse game with patents - Nokia bought Trolltech to charm a very important audience, the Open Source world. This means keeping Trolltech somewhat happy (providing a secure stable (non-expanding) financial future) - Nokia bought Trolltech to get benefits out of -- people's skills -- a platform (technically speaking) - Nokia bought Trolltech to remove a potential threat What I'm aiming for here is that if and only if (and hopefully), it has to do with the first option. Nokia is willing to move to the open world because it believes it's the right thing to do. If it was so, I guess people expect that every step in that direction would be promoted and besides PR you'd see Trolltech/Nokia advancing into new fields and areas. I guess and think a lot of people feel that they've yet to see proof from Nokia - on their open source strategy, - how they'll embrace and later adapt to a more open community, - basically their belief in (F)OSS. Until a critical amount of hard evidence is perceived by the community, Nokia will be looked upon with suspicious eyes and people will fear if not the worst at least not the best. And (with all due respect) - with a Nokia label/t-shirt on, you'll have to prove your credibility to the community not just once but every now and then, probably every day. The (judging) majority doesn't know your history, care to read up on it or even know how to. It has nothing to do with Nokia per ser, only that you actually sold your freedom of speech to a company (I'm pretty sure you can't talk about all that you know by now because of the way things are with a normal company that sells products - you're not allowed to talk to the market about products in ways not approved by marketing/product owners). My opinion is that Nokia brings money and it's put to use in way that produces FOSS. That's good no matter what happens next. I'm glad we have this discussion in the first place, and that wouldn't have happened if Nokia weren't there - so for that I'm happy with Nokia too. In regards to your last sentence Change _will_ happen. But it will happen slowly. I'd just like to add that you'll have to stick up with skepticism until there's enough honest moves being made from Nokia. It looks to me like the current state is not enough to convince a greater majority. My 0,2 SEK. / Fredrik signature.asc Description: Detta är en digitalt signerad meddelandedel ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: VoIP on Freerunner working properly (using linphone and SIP)
tor 2008-09-18 klockan 16:28 -0600 skrev Brian Code: All, After reading through many postings and becoming increasingly frustrated, I buckled down and found a way to get the command line linphone working on OE based distros (tested on Qtopia, but should work on 200x.x and others). Ideally this could be interfaced with the dialer somehow. Awesome work, can't wait to try it out! Do you need help putting this on the Wiki or can/will/do you want to do this yourself? / Fredrik signature.asc Description: Detta är en digitalt signerad meddelandedel ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: unable to read from Sandisk 8Gb SD
mån 2008-09-15 klockan 19:50 +0200 skrev Previdi Roberto: On Mon, Sep 15, 2008 at 9:13 AM, Andy Green [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: maybe i could keep it just to save my mp3s.. I recommend that you start using ogg - it's free from patent issues. :) / Fredrik signature.asc Description: Detta är en digitalt signerad meddelandedel ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
OpenMoko enthusiasts at FSCONS
Hi. I'm one of the lucky people about to attend this years Free Software Conference Scandinavia (FSCONS). It's held in Gothenburg, Sweden, and spans from Friday 24th to Sunday 26th October. I'm told that there will be talk about OpenMoko this year (last year Ole Tang held an introduction to the project) but there will be rooms (and open areas) available for spontaneous meetings or talks. If you plan to visit FSCONS I suggest you join the (guest) mailing list at http://mail.fscons.org/mailman/listinfo or jump in on irc://irc.freenode.net/fscons and say hi. Apologies if you consider this to be spam. Thanks to the OpenMoko project for giving me lots of reasons to stay up too late, too often - it's great fun to play with the FreeRunner. :) / Fredrik Wendt, a FSO user signature.asc Description: Detta är en digitalt signerad meddelandedel ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: FSO milestone3 my view (ON gta01)
Hi. fre 2008-09-12 klockan 12:24 +0200 skrev Tilman Baumann: I found the new fso milestone and tried it out on my Neo 1973. Here is what i think of it. [...] And i would say it is time for some gui guidelines for new world etk, efl apps. We have a great looking environment, now let's define how apps should look. And pleas don't make them look like qtopia, Zhone or tichy. I have some ideas for that too. But i whink we need some experimenting first... I hope I'm not the only one that think Zhone looks really nice (apart from the default background). Although it's just a temporary UI, put there to take advantage of the framework, I'm gonna miss it - it's simply beautiful. / Fredrik signature.asc Description: Detta är en digitalt signerad meddelandedel ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Anyone can sell me a phone in Sweden over the next 5 days?
Hi. If you're in Gothenburg you could buy mine, if you're really desperate. :) There's nothing wrong with mine, I bought it from handheld-linux.com and whenever I find the time I try play with it. Nothing missing, no errors. / Fredrik Wendt fre 2008-09-05 klockan 23:23 +0300 skrev Shachar Shemesh: Hi all, especially resellers. After deciding that getting a Neo in Israel is simply impossible for the next few months, I have been scheduled to go on a business trip to Sweden over the next few days. Mainly, I arrive on Sunday morning, and depart Tuesday evening. I was thinking of getting a Neo while I'm there. I already called the Swedish reseller, who said he is out of stock. This goes out to everyone else. Is there anyone here who can sell me a phone over the next few days? Thanks, Shachar ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community signature.asc Description: Detta är en digitalt signerad meddelandedel ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Chancing SIM card without reboot
tis 2008-09-02 klockan 20:48 +0100 skrev David Pottage: Fredrik Wendt wrote: Hi. Just wanted to know if I'd damage the hardware by doing: 0. Connect FR to computer using USB cable. 1. Turn on FR (FSO-testing), fire up zhone. 2. Open FR, remove battery, open SIM pocket, change SIM card, replace battery, replace back cover - all while the FR is running off power from USB [...] There is a risk that you will damage the SIM card doing that[...] Thanks for letting me know! The important thing for me is juts to make sure that the FreeRunner won't get damaged, since the SIM cards I currently use are only pre-paid ones, used only for testing. / Fredrik signature.asc Description: Detta är en digitalt signerad meddelandedel ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GsmBluetooth state file for gta02
Jim, Just wanted to say that your efforts on making bluetooth headsets usable is highly appreciated! A question: I guess you're trying to route the GSM audio to bluetooth, is this right or are you looking at routing generic audio (from mplayer) to bluetooth? Will you also be able to choose between SCO A2DP then in anyway? (obviously A2DP won't make it for GSM phone calls - unless you're the silent type) Thanks again, Fredrik signature.asc Description: Detta är en digitalt signerad meddelandedel ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Om2008.8 and FSO
Sean wrote: FSO is also, BTW, designed to be generic enough to be used for more than just Om. But make no mistake, future versions of Om will use this framework. We've invested lots of time and money into it. And we're so happy that you have, it's just great and lots of fun to play with. Keep it up! / Fredrik signature.asc Description: Detta är en digitalt signerad meddelandedel ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: prediction feature for the keyboard
sön 2008-08-31 klockan 15:09 +0200 skrev Björn Martensen: Hi, [...] Is it somehow possible to get the likelyness of the next letter to be written (and even the ones after that, es dasher even recognizes words) from dasher and use this information to dynamically change the size of the input areas? [...] What do you think about this idea? It might work. The downside is that with a fixed sized key setup you'll learn how far to extend your fingers to hit a specific key. The fifth time you write internet you'll know where to put your fingers (muscle/motoric memory) and hitting the s in interns is close to e. Bad example but I think you get what I'm after. The user might have a harder time learning where to push to hit a specific letter. Don't know if that's realistic at all, I guess your suggestion really is a good idea in most cases. :) Another idea: I'd love to tap morse code on the phone's shell/casing and use the mic (the accelerometers oscillates to much to be usable for this I think) to interpret it into letters. :-D Just my 0.02 SEK / Fredrik signature.asc Description: Detta är en digitalt signerad meddelandedel ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: prediction feature for the keyboard
sön 2008-08-31 klockan 19:49 +0200 skrev Fredrik Wendt: [...] What I'd LOVE would be to use the entire screen as a keyboard (in landscape mode). A soft layer with low opacity containing only white letters and almost nothing more. http://wendt.se/software/openmoko/screens/keyboard-layer.png is quick a mockup of what I had in mind. / Fredrik signature.asc Description: Detta är en digitalt signerad meddelandedel ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
CRCFAIL 0x1a3f
Hi. Everytime I boot (ever since I got my FR) I've seen a bunch (6) of CRCFAIL 0x1a3f messages. What are they? Should I care? Thanks in advance, Fredrik signature.asc Description: Detta är en digitalt signerad meddelandedel ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: RFC: delete page USB
lör 2008-08-30 klockan 00:29 -0700 skrev Michael Shiloh: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/USB My comment: Just go ahead! :) / Fredrik signature.asc Description: Detta är en digitalt signerad meddelandedel ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: 2008.8 update
fre 2008-08-29 klockan 16:44 +0530 skrev Nishit Dave: Actual usability of basic phone functions should be tested thoroughly before release. I use a MotoRokr E6 as my regular phone, and find the huge difference in the usability of the EZX interface and whatever I have seen here to be insurmountable. Yeah, of course, Motorola does not release EZX as open source. OpenMoko doesn't release the software as complete either - you bought hardware with incomplete software. I'm confident they'll adress that in time. If you can't wait you're supposed to open the source and dig in yourself. That's just the way things are (and looking at the amount of traffic you've added to this list you should know by now). / Fredrik, still using a SonyEricsson phone as phone (playing with FR) signature.asc Description: Detta är en digitalt signerad meddelandedel ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Bug Filing Policy] please read before crate ticket
fre 2008-08-29 klockan 18:36 +0800 skrev regina: Please Read this first http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Bug_Filing_Policy I'm sorry to say that the Trac is in a mess (I understand that you think it is, I partly do to) but there's been a constant lack of clear information on where and how to file bugs/issues. I'm also sorry to ask why this information still isn't on https://docs.openmoko.org/trac/newticket - isn't that where it should've be in the very first place? (Don't expect the community to understand what you can't sort out yourself (put information in the right place)) / Fredrik signature.asc Description: Detta är en digitalt signerad meddelandedel ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
FON login script
Hi. I've failed to find a way to login to my La Fonera wifi router. wget doesn't support httpS and python is lacking httplib. I guess I could make it work with WPA but that won't help me at work where I need to login to a similar network. Any help or suggestions are highly appreciated! Thanks in advance, Fredrik Wendt PS. I'm using FSO, but iwconfig et al should be the same. DS signature.asc Description: Detta är en digitalt signerad meddelandedel ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
dfu-util
Hi. When I push a new rootfs image onto my FreeRunner it takes aproximately 10 minutes. It's a PITA having to wait that long when I try to track down where some functionality got lost or went broken. I just wanted to know if this is normal. [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/opt/openmoko/dfu-util/FSO# time dfu-rootfs openmoko-fso-image-glibc-ipk--20080729-om-gta02.rootfs.jffs2.summary dfu-util - (C) 2007 by OpenMoko Inc. This program is Free Software and has ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY Opening USB Device 0x1d50:0x5119... Found Runtime: [0x1d50:0x5119] devnum=13, cfg=0, intf=0, alt=6, name=rootfs Claiming USB DFU Interface... Setting Alternate Setting ... Determining device status: state = dfuIDLE, status = 0 dfuIDLE, continuing Transfer Size = 0x1000 bytes_per_hash=983040 Starting download: [##] finished! state(2) = dfuIDLE, status(0) = No error condition is present Done! real8m59.738s user0m0.076s sys 0m1.732s What options are there? I guess it'd work to 1. turn the FR off 2. remove battery 3. lift the SIM card holder 4. get the SD card out 5. put it into a card reader/writer connected to my PC 6. empty the rootfs partition 7. unpack a tar.gz file 8. remove card from reader/writer 9. fit SD card back into the slot in the FR 10. close SIM card 11. replace battery 12. boot (3-4 minutes) That's a lot of fiddling with thin metal holders to gain 2-3 minutes? Thanks for any pointers or hints (or just confirmations that this is what everyone has to cope with right now). / Fredrik Wendt signature.asc Description: Detta är en digitalt signerad meddelandedel ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
opkg feed settings with fso-testing at shr.bearstech.com
Hi. I've been pulling the latest image for a couple of days now, running a script after pushing the image with dfu-util to get my system to where I think it's usable (and I can demo a few things for people) However, I'd like to know what to put in /etc/opkg/ to get the feeds to work properly with http://shr.bearstech.com/fso-testing/ipk/ instead of having to pull new images every day. Before I put my head into this black hole of opkg config, trying to figure it out myself, I'm hoping someone would have the time to show what's needed. Thanks in advance, / Fredrik signature.asc Description: Detta är en digitalt signerad meddelandedel ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Kernel module request: MASQuerade on FR
mån 2008-08-11 klockan 00:54 +0200 skrev Holger Freyther: On Sunday 10 August 2008 11:50:57 Fredrik Wendt wrote: iptables said it didn't recognize match/rule/target but SNAT worked with the same arguments. Can't get my FreeRunner to boot now (completely dead) so I can't give you the exact error message. I will as soon as my FreeRunner comes back to life again. :/ The command I used would've been 'iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -s 192.168.0.200 -j MASQUERADE ' 'iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -s 192.168.0.200 -j SNAT --to-source 83.84.85.68' however did work. I'm sitting in a ICE to berlin and use GPRS through the neo to send this mail. iptables -t nat -I POSTROUTING -o ppp+ -j MASQUERADE works fine after installing iptables and allowing ip_forwarding. z. Hi. No, I can't get this to work out of the box (fso-testing image from shr.bear...): # iptables -t nat -I POSTROUTING -o ppp+ -j MASQUERADE iptables: No chain/target/match by that name # lsmod Module Size Used by iptable_nat 5860 0 nf_nat 16118 1 iptable_nat nf_conntrack_ipv4 14344 2 iptable_nat nf_conntrack 58312 3 iptable_nat,nf_nat,nf_conntrack_ipv4 ip_tables 10344 1 iptable_nat x_tables 11812 2 iptable_nat,ip_tables # ls /lib/modules/2.6.24/kernel/net/ipv4/netfilter ip_tables.ko iptable_filter.ko iptable_nat.ko nf_conntrack_ipv4.ko nf_nat.ko # ls /lib/modules/2.6.24/kernel/net/netfilter nf_conntrack.ko x_tables.ko # What am I missing? / Fredrik signature.asc Description: Detta är en digitalt signerad meddelandedel ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: USB keyboards silent in terminal (FSO)
ons 2008-08-20 klockan 11:09 +1000 skrev Carsten Haitzler: aaah excellent. my hardware keyboard detection works... reported with bluetooth and usb... excellent! happiness is me. :) When is it supposed to kick in? I just can't get it to work ... Under FSO M2 I got /dev/input/event5 populated (after manually switching to USB host mode), and it works in console but ran into http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1796 regarding X. Using openmoko-openmoko-devel-image-glibc-ipk--20080824-om-gta02.rootfs.jffs2 uImage-2.6.24+git36 +a1e97c611253511ffc2d8c45e3e6d6894fa03fa3-r2-om-gta02.bin from buildhost/daily/freerunner/ I get zip out of the same keyboard that worked with FSO M2. I tried connecting the USB keyboard after my FreeRunner was connected to my laptop (first: FR connected to laptop, unplug, plug keyboard to FR) and also have the USB keyboard connected on boot (first: FR is off, connect keyboard, power on FR). Not having pand in that devel-image really made things more difficult to test. I guess I could try getting FR to use wifi and ssh from my computer to see what's going on, but using bluetooth is just easier to set up. / Fredrik signature.asc Description: Detta är en digitalt signerad meddelandedel ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Alpha 2 Release of Accelerometer-based Gestures, and Screen Orientation
Paul-Valentin Borza wrote: I'll probably do a better integration with the framework on the next release. Paul You are doing an awesome work! I hope you feel that we truly appreciate the extra hours you put into this! :) Having gestures being sent out as signals on the system dbus is going to be great! Thank you so much, Fredrik Wendt signature.asc Description: Detta är en digitalt signerad meddelandedel ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: lwuit (toolkit for mobile java interface) goes opensource
lör 2008-08-16 klockan 11:08 +0200 skrev arne anka: See: https://lwuit.dev.java.net/ , It's gplv2 with classpath exception. Maybe somebody will find this useful. afaik there's no java me stack for the fr. only java se. http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Java#J2ME_implementations signature.asc Description: Detta är en digitalt signerad meddelandedel ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: (NAND) boot problems with empty batteries ?
ons 2008-08-13 klockan 13:28 +0200 skrev arne anka: how can I get the FR up with empty batteries, how to charge an empty battery ? the way you did. I used the battery from my son's Nokia 5300 to boot my phone, connected power (USB charger) and then switched battery. The wiki lists known compatible batteries. I'll never reject any requests for more hardware from my son, now that I know how useful it is (to me). :-D / Fredrik signature.asc Description: Detta är en digitalt signerad meddelandedel ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
RE: 2008 WTF??
2008-08-09 klockan 20:02 -0700, steve: If you want a ready to use phone you can always download the Qtopia distrubtion onto your freerunner and get A perfectly great ready to use phone. Then you can wait while 2008.8 matures and then download it when It is end user ready. I agree but think you're doing it wrong. Look at the actual text at http://us.direct.openmoko.com/products/neo-freerunner - you really should ship with Qtopia or emphasize that there's a lot of work to be done to be able to use the phone reliably. Two out of four links on the start page doesn't mention that the phone isn't ready for the average phone user. ABC7 mentions that this phone is more suitable to programmers, Boing boing's third comment says that the software isn't mature. I can't and won't argue with anyone being mad about the phone not meeting their expectations - I believe OpenMoko's official web site does a pretty good job on bringing those false expectations to potential customers. Until the OM team fixes this, I'll quietly stand by while people complain about this wonderful product (I love it, I knew what I bought but that wasn't based on information from openmoko.com). / Fredrik Wendt, a happy customer signature.asc Description: Detta är en digitalt signerad meddelandedel ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: USB keyboards silent in terminal (FSO)
sön 2008-08-10 klockan 10:50 +0200 skrev Peter Trapp: Von: Fredrik Wendt Do you want to use a USB keyboard with your FR? Yes. I found in the community ML following answer, but I have not tested though... snip HTH Well, that's the first basic step (which I did of course) - to setup the FR in host mode but that basic step doesn't make HID keyboards/devices work in X which is what I'm after. Thanks anyway. :) / Fredrik signature.asc Description: Detta är en digitalt signerad meddelandedel ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Kernel module request: MASQuerade on FR
Somebody in the thread at some point said: | Hi. | | I want to use the FreeRunner as a GPRS modem for my laptop. I can | successfully setup SNAT, but MASQUERADE would be even better (since the | GPRS connection is rather flaky and SNAT drops/looses track of the | laptop's connections when ppp0 goes down). | | Is this completely out of scope? Should I ask for this in Trac? This should already exist, I find -- CONFIG_IP_NF_TARGET_MASQUERADE=m Is there something else needed in the config? iptables said it didn't recognize match/rule/target but SNAT worked with the same arguments. Can't get my FreeRunner to boot now (completely dead) so I can't give you the exact error message. I will as soon as my FreeRunner comes back to life again. :/ The command I used would've been 'iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -s 192.168.0.200 -j MASQUERADE ' 'iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -s 192.168.0.200 -j SNAT --to-source 83.84.85.68' however did work. / Fredrik Wendt signature.asc Description: Detta är en digitalt signerad meddelandedel ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: 2008 WTF??
Sat, 9 Aug 2008 21:02:33 -0400 Jeff Davis basically said that it's wrong to ask people to buy another phone if they're unhappy with the FreeRunner, no matter if they used bad language, weren't constructive in any way: [snip] In part (or principle) I agree to what you're saying. I started writing a response mostly saying that one needs to have realistic expectations, and that media, news and the blogosphere isn't that reliable - which seems to be very true in this particular case. However, all of what I base my point of view on is that you need to get information as close to the source as possible (to be able to get realistic expectations - otherwise you haven't made your homework and you can't blame someone else for that), and there's one fundamental issue here: The web shop doesn't state that the phone isn't ready for prime time yet. This is bad. So bad that I'll just appologize and agree that I should start spamming OM until they fix this. Obviously the confusions it makes draws energy away from the goals - freeing phones. Thanks, Fredrik Wendt signature.asc Description: Detta är en digitalt signerad meddelandedel ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: USB keyboards silent in terminal (FSO)
sön 2008-08-10 klockan 13:00 +0300 skrev Timo Juhani Lindfors: Hi, Fredrik Wendt [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I've been able to connect two keyboards, they light up but doesn't work in the terminal (FSO). Is there something I can do to enable input from these external devices? Does it work outside X? Yes. As stated in my mail, I used it in the console without problems. What does lsof | grep glamo print? What appears to dmesg when you plug the keyboard in? Can't tell, my phone's completely dead after it drained the battery tonight. I'm waiting for support@ to help me get it to boot again. :( / Fredrik Wendt signature.asc Description: Detta är en digitalt signerad meddelandedel ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
RE: 2008 WTF??
sön 2008-08-10 klockan 09:13 -0700 skrev steve: I'll Agree in part that the web shop could be clearer. So we will fix that. Thank you, on behalf of those that can't look deep enough to understand the state of the openmoko software (and hence the smartphone). Shipping with Qtopia really wasn't an option, given the schedules. So, when the phone went into production qtopia was not quite ready. Trust me we considered the path of doing a launch with Qtopia. I understand that, however, I think there should've been time to add a sentence or two to the web site though. So, We finished a basic Dialer, SMS and contacts and shipped with that. Then Qtopia becomes available Then 2008.8 becomes available Then FSO becomes available. That progress is just plain beautiful. :) Keep it up! / Fredrik Wendt signature.asc Description: Detta är en digitalt signerad meddelandedel ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: FSO and GSM instability
lör 2008-08-09 klockan 20:31 +0200 skrev Michael 'Mickey' Lauer:
Am Samstag 09 August 2008 14:12:56 schrieb NeilBrown:
ogsmdINFO org.freesmartphone.GSM.Network.Status: {'cid': '590C',
'strength': 0, 'provider': 'vodafone AU', 'lac': '08A2', 'registration':
'home'}
[...]
That's ok. Frequent cell changes are usual. The strength 0 is a modem race
condition on cell ID change which I will need to workaround in ogsmd.
Nothing to worry about until you are seeing registration:unregistered
followed by immediate reregistration.
So, here we go:
# here's me connecting
[SIGNAL]org.freesmartphone.GSM.PDP.ContextStatusfrom :1.3
/org/freesmartphone/GSM/Device
(dbus.Int32(1), dbus.String(u'outgoing'), dbus.Dictionary({},
signature=dbus.Signature('sv')))
[SIGNAL]org.freedesktop.DBus.NameOwnerChangedfrom org.freedesktop.DBus
/org/freedesktop/DBus
(dbus.String(u':1.22'), dbus.String(u':1.22'), dbus.String(u''))
[SIGNAL]org.freesmartphone.GSM.PDP.ContextStatusfrom :1.3
/org/freesmartphone/GSM/Device
(dbus.Int32(1), dbus.String(u'release'), dbus.Dictionary({},
signature=dbus.Signature('sv')))
# here's after the connect script failed (I tried out a new network and that
doesn't seem to work)
[SIGNAL]org.freesmartphone.GSM.Network.Statusfrom :1.3
/org/freesmartphone/GSM/Device
(dbus.Dictionary({dbus.String(u'registration'): dbus.String(u'home',
variant_level=1), dbus.String(u'strength'): dbus.Int32(77, variant_level=1),
dbus.String(u'provider'): dbus.String(u'TELIA S', variant_level=1),
dbus.String(u'lac'): dbus.String(u'2338', variant_level=1),
dbus.String(u'cid'): dbus.String(u'13F5', variant_level=1)},
signature=dbus.Signature('sv')),)
[SIGNAL]org.freesmartphone.GSM.Network.Statusfrom :1.3
/org/freesmartphone/GSM/Device
(dbus.Dictionary({dbus.String(u'registration'): dbus.String(u'unregistered',
variant_level=1), dbus.String(u'strength'): dbus.Int32(0, variant_level=1),
dbus.String(u'lac'): dbus.String(u'2338', variant_level=1),
dbus.String(u'cid'): dbus.String(u'13F5', variant_level=1)},
signature=dbus.Signature('sv')),)
[SIGNAL]org.freesmartphone.GSM.Network.Statusfrom :1.3
/org/freesmartphone/GSM/Device
(dbus.Dictionary({dbus.String(u'registration'): dbus.String(u'home',
variant_level=1), dbus.String(u'strength'): dbus.Int32(0, variant_level=1),
dbus.String(u'provider'): dbus.String(u'TELIA S', variant_level=1),
dbus.String(u'lac'): dbus.String(u'2338', variant_level=1),
dbus.String(u'cid'): dbus.String(u'13F5', variant_level=1)},
signature=dbus.Signature('sv')),)
[SIGNAL]org.freesmartphone.GSM.Network.Statusfrom :1.3
/org/freesmartphone/GSM/Device
(dbus.Dictionary({dbus.String(u'registration'): dbus.String(u'home',
variant_level=1), dbus.String(u'strength'): dbus.Int32(79, variant_level=1),
dbus.String(u'provider'): dbus.String(u'TELIA S', variant_level=1),
dbus.String(u'lac'): dbus.String(u'2338', variant_level=1),
dbus.String(u'cid'): dbus.String(u'16F2', variant_level=1)},
signature=dbus.Signature('sv')),)
Is this what you refered to look out for?
Don't know what to test or do next (or where to report this).
/ Fredrik Wendt
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Re: 2008 WTF??
On 2008-08-09, 09:51 -0600 Scott wrote words in English and overall acted out as he was less then 10 yrs old, and this is snippets of what he wrote: [...] WTF over? Can't we have just one damn boot screen? [...] Why is it so slow now? Everything takes forever? Why won't it wake up from sleeping? tap the screen nothing? Press the aux button nothing? Press the main button nothing?? Then all of a sudden on its own, it makes a popping noise and the screen is back to life? WTF over? [you can almost guess what he wrote here] WTF? You sure gotta be hell of a contributer, mass order client, or you ought to shut up. If you aren't contributing in a constructive way, you should start by pulling the plug out of your ass and put in your mouth - try harder. Find useful pieces of information and start contributing. Or get a phone from some generic vendor. Apple has a cool and slick one called iPhone. Might suite you just fine. But please, writing WTF ten times in a mail where there's no new information really isn't gonna help you (or anyone else for that matter). / Fredrik Wendt, who also has the exact same device Scott has, as many others do too but doesn't scream WTF as soon his/her proclaimed non-finished device shows it's serious hickups signature.asc Description: Detta är en digitalt signerad meddelandedel ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Kernel module request: MASQuerade on FR
Hi. I want to use the FreeRunner as a GPRS modem for my laptop. I can successfully setup SNAT, but MASQUERADE would be even better (since the GPRS connection is rather flaky and SNAT drops/looses track of the laptop's connections when ppp0 goes down). Is this completely out of scope? Should I ask for this in Trac? / Fredrik Wendt signature.asc Description: Detta är en digitalt signerad meddelandedel ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
USB keyboards silent in terminal (FSO)
Hi. I bought a USB gender changer (5€) and today I've played with it to see what the smartphone's capable of. I really only have one goal and that is to avoid having to buy a BT keyboard for faster input in the terminal. I've been able to connect two keyboards, they light up but doesn't work in the terminal (FSO). Is there something I can do to enable input from these external devices? In X: Neither keyboard worked = generated characters in the terminal under X. If I chvt 1 to the console (actually had to /etc/init.d/xserver-nodm stop for chvt to work properly): Characters do appear but the keyboard is not recognized as a swedish one. I can't get either of € or £ to appear. I'd be very happy if anyone could tell me what to do. Thanks in advance, Fredrik Wendt Devices tested: lsusb: ID 0781:5406 SanDisk Corp. Cruzer Micro 4GB Flash Drive dmesg: scsi 5:0:0:0: Direct-Access SanDisk U3 Cruzer Micro 4.04 PQ: 0 ANSI: 2 note: memory stick result: Seemed to work as it should. lsusb: ID 1050:0010 dmesg: input,hidraw0: USB HID v1.11 Keyboard [Yubico Yubico Yubikey] note: miniature keyboard from Yubico.com - used for authentication (I use it with OpenID) result: dmesg happily reports that it's inserted. Something creates /dev/input/input5 and if I cat/echo that I get data when the button/key on the Yubikey is pressed. The terminal doesn't get the input though (having the built in keyboard visible/hidden makes no difference). lsusb: ID 0a5c:200a Broadcom Corp. Bluetooth dongle dmesg: - note: bluetooth dongle from Broadcom (I've used it extensively listening to music with my A2DP headset) result: Seems to work just fine - dmesg mentions it and hciconfig shows the device. Will use this interface/device to compare A2DP performance with the built-in bluetooth interface/device. lsusb: ID 04b3:3025 IBM Corp. dmesg: input,hidraw0: USB HID v1.10 Keyboard [LITE-ON Technology USB NetVista Full Width Keyboard.] note: the keyboard I got from Lenovo with my ThinkPad T61 result: Seems to work just fine. NumLock is lit/turned off when pressed. /dev/input/event5 is created when the keyboard is inserted and data comes running in when keys are pressed. The terminal doesn't get the input though (having the built in keyboard visible/hidden makes no difference). signature.asc Description: Detta är en digitalt signerad meddelandedel ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: 2008 WTF??
Jeff Davis wrote: Telling people to buy another phone if they want one that makes phone calls is not exactly the kind of product endorsement most people are looking for. The smartphone is both hardware and software - it's not as trivial as a hammer that you compared it with. The hardware is set know and it's available for purchase (though delayed and out of stock because of the demand). The software is not finished yet. This is stated almost everywhere. Hence - if a person wants a ready to use phone, openmoko is not the way to go. I'm pretty sure you'd agree (at it's present state). I love my FreeRunner and today I actually used it for real, using it as a GPRS modem/gateway while I was on a train. Heck, that's even better than my SonyEricsson M600i that I've used in the same way*. The SE phone however often frooze about once an hour and I had to remove the battery to get it back in a working state again. That didn't happen once with the FreeRunner. It did however loose the connection to the network once (and I couldn't get it to work again without rebooting the device :( ) Sorry if I made you think I don't recommend the FreeRunner - I do, but not to anyone that wants a working phone _today_, because it's not. / Fredrik Wendt * With the SE phone I used bluetooth to set up a rfcomm channel and used that with wvdial. With the freerunner I used usb networking to carry my packets from the laptop to the neo, and then iptables SNAT to route those out on the ppp0 device (GPRS with the FSO methods). signature.asc Description: Detta är en digitalt signerad meddelandedel ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GPRS for FSO Milestone 2
Please wikify this information http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GPRS_FSO Feel free to change. / Fredrik signature.asc Description: Detta är en digitalt signerad meddelandedel ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GSoC OpenMoko Bluetooth remote controller - First beta package
Valerio Valerio wrote: Hi, the first beta package of ReMoko are available now in: [..] Feel free to send me comments and features requests. Awesome! Very fun to play with. :) Question: Would it be possible to emulate the Wii Remote? Suggestion: Write mac address on the screen when it says Waiting for connection ... Bugs: The FSO keyboard has umlauts (äöü) in the Numbers area but they are not sent to my laptop properly (UTF-8 support seems, I've filed a bug about this on docs...) When sending ö xev reports: KeyPress event, serial 30, synthetic NO, window 0x2e1, root 0x5a, subw 0x0, time 322828160, (340,185), root:(354,275), state 0x10, keycode 65 (keysym 0x20, space), same_screen YES, XLookupString gives 1 bytes: (20) XmbLookupString gives 1 bytes: (20) XFilterEvent returns: False KeyRelease event, serial 30, synthetic NO, window 0x2e1, root 0x5a, subw 0x0, time 322828162, (340,185), root:(354,275), state 0x10, keycode 65 (keysym 0x20, space), same_screen YES, XLookupString gives 1 bytes: (20) XFilterEvent returns: False The four mouse buttons appear slightly off the screen when it's used in landscape mode (xrandr -o 1). Nice work. If the presenter thing was completed, this would even be useful right away in it's current state. :) / Fredrik signature.asc Description: Detta är en digitalt signerad meddelandedel ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
FSO and GSM instability
2008-08-07 22:38 -0700, C R McClenaghan: [gprs part cut out] does anyone else experience gsm instability with FSO MS2? Chris Yes, though I have yet to do some basic testing/debugging to see when and how I get disconnected. But basically I see that the blue bar below the network's name/id turns black every now and then, even when there's nothing running. I'm waiting for Mickey's updates to frameworkd that he'll hopefully upload this weekend. If I can find a pattern or just anything that's reproducible I'll post a bug. I have not used ASU or any other distribution long enough to see if it's worse or better with FSO. / Fredrik Wendt signature.asc Description: Detta är en digitalt signerad meddelandedel ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GPRS for FSO Milestone 2
ons 2008-08-06 klockan 21:07 -0700 skrev Michael Shiloh: C R McClenaghan wrote: I've been able to hack together the necessary ppp scripts to get GPRS working on FSO Milestone 2 release. This is for a Freerunner, if it matters. snip I'll post something to the wiki if there's sufficient interest. Chris To make a typical British understatement, Heck yeah!. Getting GPRS working has been incredibly difficult. Please post your recipes on the wiki in the appropriate place. If there already exists one set please add yours as an alternative - this is one case where duplication is good because each carrier seems to be a little different. You shouldn't need to execute pppd by yourself (on the FSO) - there are methods available on the dbus ready to be used. I have a shell script that executes: mdbus -s org.freesmartphone.frameworkd /org/freesmartphone/GSM/Device org.freesmartphone.GSM.PDP.ActivateContext internet.parlino.se username password It works perfectly. (However, after a disconnect I loose all GSM connectivity, but I need to test this more in order to feel I can file a bug.) / Fredrik signature.asc Description: Detta är en digitalt signerad meddelandedel ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: FSO email/ical clients?
ons 2008-08-06 klockan 15:10 -0400 skrev xaos x: The claws-email package works for IMAP... http://www.ginguppin.de/node/17 That bz2 is missing ipk for libaspell. claws-mail: error while loading shared libraries: libaspell.so.15: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory Thought I'd tell you in case you wanted to know/fix. / Fredrik signature.asc Description: Detta är en digitalt signerad meddelandedel ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
FSO: settings and profiles
And there is a profile switcher planned I hope? I just can't let go of the idea of having several profiles activated at the same time, so I'll spam you all once more (last time, I promise). Locations: - work - home - cinema - lecture hall - hospital - amusement park Activities: - coding (default) - none (default for others) - meeting - in a phone call - lecture / conference - watching a movie - exercising (biking anyone?) (it could detect the wii fit bluetooth MAC addresses in the air as well) Time based: - after bed time - tuck in time (put the kid(s) to sleep) - lunch - working hours - Simpsons Other: - phone is upside down on a table (only flash lights, no buzz or ringtone) - battery is running low - far from home (send e-mail with GPS coordinates every hour) - vacation (don't send GPS coordinates every hour) - bluetooth headset is in range (and paired) - home media center (and asterisk) is in range (redirect music) Being able to have just _one_ context/setting/mood at a time is so restricting. When I go to lunch (12-13, or 12 am to 1 pm) I generally put the phone in my pocket so I want the ringing sound to be louder. BUT, if I'm in a lunch meeting with a client (the meeting's in the calendar) I don't want to be disturbed (except by family and day care numbers), hence there should be no ringtone at all. This is also true while exercising (louder), unless it's tuck in time for the kids and I'm at home (Wii Fit). If I'm at the cinema the GSM should turn off, unless I'm at a conference (in my calendar) which would only turn ringtone off (or send it to my BT headset at a low volume). If I'm a presenter I'd like all calls to be rejected (unless family + day care) so I won't be interrupted while using the FreeRunner as a remote control (next slide, etc - too bad it didn't come with a laser beam/LED as well :). I'd love the idea of having more than one profile (context) active at the same time - my daily life simply isn't that simple that one profile fits. I don't want to be locked up in old locked down cellphone behaviour - I want to be free. ;) / Fredrik Wendt signature.asc Description: Detta är en digitalt signerad meddelandedel ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Tmobile GPRS
tor 2008-08-07 klockan 20:27 +0200 skrev Michael 'Mickey' Lauer: Am Dienstag 05 August 2008 00:36:06 schrieb Fredrik Wendt: Sets up ppp with IP, DNS and (replaces) default route. However, after I disconnect (using mdbus PDP.DeactivateContext) zhone reports that there's no network signal - the signal strength bar is empty (black). /org/freesmartphone/GSM/Device: GetStatus failed: org.freesmartphone.GSM.Device.Timeout Is there anything i should do, or avoid doing? Sounds like there was a parsing error in ogsmd in between. I'd be grateful for debug logs. WIth the newest framework deamon (which I'm going to upload to the updates feed on weekend), you can change debug log destination while the program is running -- that should simplify sending me logs. What logs do you want - frameworkd? logread logs_for_mickey.txt? dmesg? I'll also try different GSM networks/carriers (SIM cards). / Fredrik signature.asc Description: Detta är en digitalt signerad meddelandedel ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
UTF-8 in terminal (FSO)
Hi. I'd like to use UTF-8 in the terminal (so that I can reuse the screen holding my irssi session). Has anyone got this to work? Thanks in advance, Fredrik Wendt signature.asc Description: Detta är en digitalt signerad meddelandedel ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: nfs on ASU
Alex Kavanagh wrote: Fredrik Wendt wrote, On 05/08/08 14:43: Andy wrote: What workflow are you trying to achieve with NFS? Unless you're changing large files a lot, scp to NAND or SD Card works well. I intend to mount my music share (NFS) when I'm at work (over wlan since GPRS will be to slow) and have my FR play my music over bt. When that works, I'll stop carrying my laptop to and from work/home. (I'll also need a bt keyboard and something running on top of libpurple, or use SSH + some magic to light up the screen to get my attention.) So, I'm glad that NFS is still supported in FSO. :) Is this for streaming media then? Are you mounting your NFS share over the Internet (via a tunnel?) or is it just local? I was musing about the possibility of using something like icecast to do something similar, but then there is the problem of controlling what you are listening to. Currently I mount it directly off a public IP and let Rhythmbox read from the local mount point. Works great. I haven't got time yet to do something similar on the FR, but hopefully next weekend I'll - nfs mount - start playing with my bluetooth headset (A2DP) Currently I switch how I direct music using gconftool (on Ubuntu 8.04): alias alsa-headset='gconftool -t string -s /system/gstreamer/0.10/default/musicaudiosink alsasink device=bluetooth' alias alsa-spekears='gconftool -t string -s /system/gstreamer/0.10/default/musicaudiosink autoaudiosink' / Fredrik PS. Move this off devel@ - not sure why I posted/replied to that list in the beginning ... DS signature.asc Description: Detta är en digitalt signerad meddelandedel ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Tmobile GPRS
Hi, sön 2008-08-03 klockan 10:28 -0400 skrev xaos x: First off, the phone I have is the gta02. I like it to, a lot! + the boots are nice - the UI takes forever to get started - no minimo (would make the phone usable on the way to work) - no accelerometer readings via dbus (yet) I've got ppp working using mdbus for the Parlino operator (uses Comviq's network) which basically was a nobrainer once you found the dbus methods to call. mdbus -s org.freesmartphone.frameworkd /org/freesmartphone/GSM/Device org.freesmartphone.GSM.PDP.ActivateContext internet.parlino.se x x Sets up ppp with IP, DNS and (replaces) default route. However, after I disconnect (using mdbus PDP.DeactivateContext) zhone reports that there's no network signal - the signal strength bar is empty (black). /org/freesmartphone/GSM/Device: GetStatus failed: org.freesmartphone.GSM.Device.Timeout Is there anything i should do, or avoid doing? Thanks again, playing with the FSO really is fun! :) / Fredrik signature.asc Description: Detta är en digitalt signerad meddelandedel ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GPRS for FSO Milestone 2
I'll post something to the wiki if there's sufficient interest. Please do so. If not a complete page, at least a note on the GPRS page. (I guess they/we want to have FSO, ASU, OM2007.2 separate pages on the wiki.) / Fredrik Wendt signature.asc Description: Detta är en digitalt signerad meddelandedel ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: ASU software - pre-pre-release impressions
Kevin Dean [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Language DOES matter. We use English on this list... Programming language. :) Sorry if I wasn't clear on what I meant. I was refering to the generic case - be it spoken language, programming language, painting, music, ... If you want very active involvement of participants then they need to easily grasp the environment and what others have done before. / Fredrik ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: ASU software - pre-pre-release impressions
Travis Tabbal [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Mon, May 19, 2008 at 10:49 AM, Carlo E. Prelz wrote: Those apps are the heart of the phone, and I would not want to have C++/QT versions running on my phone. I really don't understand the sentiment there. If the app works well and gets the job done, why does it matter what language it's written in or what widget toolkit it uses? Language DOES matter. We use English on this list. I doubt that 50 % of those involved and interested in this wonderful project have English as their mother tounge. We're all just interacting with and describing the same physical world, yet there are so many different ways to go about it and, basically, people tend to not be as fluent in more than one or two languages. Hence, if you want people to get up to speed and act naturally with as few obstacles as possible in the way - then you'll want to choose language(s)/environment used carefully. My two euro cents. / Fredrik ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Freerunner and external Display
Florian Rebstock [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Shachar Shemesh schrieb: Florian Rebstock wrote: could it be possible - to connect the Freerunner with a external VGA Display or Beamer ? Just run a vnc server on the device. It looks even cooler when there are no cables connecting the device to the projector during the presentation. But i will need a computer with a vnc client. I think its much cooler - the presentation runs from my new phone, with 2 frames per second. I couldn't agree more. I don't need speed - people are supposed to listen to me while doing a presentation, not be amazed by 14 slides per second (fps)! ;) Actually, I'm starting to feel like I'm going to be somewhat disappointed by the performance of the device: - battery drainage - hard (= chose the right codec, recode everything) to get flowing video playback - not being able to connect a VGA-over-USB - no 3G = slow data access = no streaming of my music - no 8GB microSD = I'll be able to carry 10 % of my music (legal - ogg) - need for stylus, but no place to keep it I love the idea of this phone/miniature-PC, but I guess my hopes have been a little to high. There's a lot of scenarios where the device won't be practical to use (and commercial, closed alternatives have been working for some time). Perhaps I should write a list of my intended usage, stop whining and see what is possible when the actual device is in my hands. :) / Fredrik ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: .Mac like service
Christoph Witzany [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Alexey Feldgendler schrieb: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: my list starts with: [snip] * Allow backup and incremental synchronization of typical data items stored on mobile devices: [snip - lot's of stuff] I would very much like to participate at such a project (or even kick it off ftm), as my the plans for my PhD work include creating a service that would fulfill an important part of this: The transparent storage of data in the [Web|Cloud|Grid|newest_buzzword_for_distributed_networks]. I'd start by looking at SyncML and ScheduleWorld. I use (and have used) SyncML for quite some time and it works fairly well (right now I can't get my temporary phone - a SonyEricsson T610 - to sync up the address book but the calendar is still fine). Using SyncEvolution you get an almost perfect match. / Fredrik ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Thoughts about calls not taken
Michael 'Mickey' Lauer [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: But the second could be handled by an answering machine right on the phone. We have a summer of code project this year that's aiming for exactly that. Perfect. Make sure they don't leave out the reject with SMS feature - it's just so useful and I'd hate loosing it. http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Wish_List#Ignore-Call_Button / Fredrik Wendt ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
[OT] Re: OpenMoko project future - Dreamliner vs. 737
Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Am 08.04.2008 um 09:27 schrieb Kevin Zuber: So users have to register in that forum to see the picture in your shop... not really useful :) Well, the forum is great but you are right that we shouldn't require users to subscribe there... while at it, add OpenID support and the forum will be easier to use! / Fredrik Wendt ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
