Gizmo for Skype-like functionality in Neo?
Has anyone who actually has hardware right now tried/had luck running a full featured VOIP application in OpenMoko? I'd much rather see Gizmo than Skype, especially since it looks like it's integrated into GrandCentral (http://www.grandcentral.com/) and is based on open standards (and closed source). It also looks like Gizmo directly supports the Maemo on the Nokia N800 (http://gizmoproject.com/learnmore-nokia800.html). ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Gizmo for Skype-like functionality in Neo?
you can do calls with asterisk, its just all console for now the command is 'console dial [EMAIL PROTECTED]' and it is also a server Colan Schwartz [EMAIL PROTECTED] 01/30/08 11:47 AM On Tue, Jan 29, 2008 at 06:13:17PM -0700, Jeremiah Flerchinger wrote: Has anyone who actually has hardware right now tried/had luck running a full featured VOIP application in OpenMoko? I'd much rather see Gizmo than Skype, especially since it looks like it's integrated into GrandCentral (http://www.grandcentral.com/) and is based on open standards (and closed source). It also looks like Gizmo directly supports the Maemo on the Nokia N800 (http://gizmoproject.com/learnmore-nokia800.html). Other options are http://ekiga.org/ and http://www.openwengo.org/. They both do SIP. I know about Ekiga because it ships with Ubuntu, and it's completely open source. I don't know that much about OpenWengo. -c. -- Colan Schwartz Internet Consultant | Openject Consulting | http://www.openject.com/ ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Gizmo for Skype-like functionality in Neo?
On Tue, Jan 29, 2008 at 06:13:17PM -0700, Jeremiah Flerchinger wrote: Has anyone who actually has hardware right now tried/had luck running a full featured VOIP application in OpenMoko? I'd much rather see Gizmo than Skype, especially since it looks like it's integrated into GrandCentral (http://www.grandcentral.com/) and is based on open standards (and closed source). It also looks like Gizmo directly supports the Maemo on the Nokia N800 (http://gizmoproject.com/learnmore-nokia800.html). Other options are http://ekiga.org/ and http://www.openwengo.org/. They both do SIP. I know about Ekiga because it ships with Ubuntu, and it's completely open source. I don't know that much about OpenWengo. -c. -- Colan Schwartz Internet Consultant | Openject Consulting | http://www.openject.com/ ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Gizmo for Skype-like functionality in Neo?
may as well just wait for the asterisk GUI cause OM uses GTK not QT so it would require some serious editing, however the serverless idea is good Michael Schmidt [EMAIL PROTECTED] 01/30/08 12:00 PM the serverless instant messenger http://retroshare.sf.net (Qt gui) will have soon as well VOIP and VIDEO Chat, and this is quite good for openmoko, as this is an encrypted one, so you are safe, that no third party is hearing your Voips. On Jan 30, 2008 5:47 PM, Colan Schwartz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Jan 29, 2008 at 06:13:17PM -0700, Jeremiah Flerchinger wrote: Has anyone who actually has hardware right now tried/had luck running a full featured VOIP application in OpenMoko? I'd much rather see Gizmo than Skype, especially since it looks like it's integrated into GrandCentral (http://www.grandcentral.com/) and is based on open standards (and closed source). It also looks like Gizmo directly supports the Maemo on the Nokia N800 (http://gizmoproject.com/learnmore-nokia800.html). Other options are http://ekiga.org/ and http://www.openwengo.org/. They both do SIP. I know about Ekiga because it ships with Ubuntu, and it's completely open source. I don't know that much about OpenWengo. -c. -- Colan Schwartz Internet Consultant | Openject Consulting | http://www.openject.com/ ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Gizmo for Skype-like functionality in Neo?
yes, but it is not about serverless or any instant messenger, it is the only way, to have **secure** VOIPs. as well users do not need a telephone call, they can to the calls with VOIP over a data internet flat rate from the mobile phone. Voip is not in yet, and then it would be in with QT gui, no one wants to make a GTK gui as this is a lot of work, though for the small display a gui change is anyway needed, so maybe a Gtk would not be much work. Anyway, it is work and the project has no resources for OM. So other IMs and solutions will come, but they are not as safe as an asym, encrypted PGP line. So you need to ask for the goals, you want just IM or Just VOIP? then choose anything.. if you want secure VOIP, then go the way for an adjusted gui for the PGP-Messenger with soon Voip... and as it is not in, but the launch of OM is soon, ... if someone gets the flu, then use Qt still, as this might be quicker done... and Voip can be added later as an update... On Jan 30, 2008 6:06 PM, Christopher Earl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: may as well just wait for the asterisk GUI cause OM uses GTK not QT so it would require some serious editing, however the serverless idea is good Michael Schmidt [EMAIL PROTECTED] 01/30/08 12:00 PM the serverless instant messenger http://retroshare.sf.net (Qt gui) will have soon as well VOIP and VIDEO Chat, and this is quite good for openmoko, as this is an encrypted one, so you are safe, that no third party is hearing your Voips. On Jan 30, 2008 5:47 PM, Colan Schwartz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Jan 29, 2008 at 06:13:17PM -0700, Jeremiah Flerchinger wrote: Has anyone who actually has hardware right now tried/had luck running a full featured VOIP application in OpenMoko? I'd much rather see Gizmo than Skype, especially since it looks like it's integrated into GrandCentral (http://www.grandcentral.com/) and is based on open standards (and closed source). It also looks like Gizmo directly supports the Maemo on the Nokia N800 (http://gizmoproject.com/learnmore-nokia800.html). Other options are http://ekiga.org/ and http://www.openwengo.org/. They both do SIP. I know about Ekiga because it ships with Ubuntu, and it's completely open source. I don't know that much about OpenWengo. -c. -- Colan Schwartz Internet Consultant | Openject Consulting | http://www.openject.com/ ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Gizmo for Skype-like functionality in Neo?
My only concern is i am not aware of qt lib port to OM yet, If you know of one please let me know i would be interested for sure. Michael Schmidt [EMAIL PROTECTED] 01/30/08 12:21 PM yes, but it is not about serverless or any instant messenger, it is the only way, to have **secure** VOIPs. as well users do not need a telephone call, they can to the calls with VOIP over a data internet flat rate from the mobile phone. Voip is not in yet, and then it would be in with QT gui, no one wants to make a GTK gui as this is a lot of work, though for the small display a gui change is anyway needed, so maybe a Gtk would not be much work. Anyway, it is work and the project has no resources for OM. So other IMs and solutions will come, but they are not as safe as an asym, encrypted PGP line. So you need to ask for the goals, you want just IM or Just VOIP? then choose anything.. if you want secure VOIP, then go the way for an adjusted gui for the PGP-Messenger with soon Voip... and as it is not in, but the launch of OM is soon, ... if someone gets the flu, then use Qt still, as this might be quicker done... and Voip can be added later as an update... On Jan 30, 2008 6:06 PM, Christopher Earl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: may as well just wait for the asterisk GUI cause OM uses GTK not QT so it would require some serious editing, however the serverless idea is good Michael Schmidt [EMAIL PROTECTED] 01/30/08 12:00 PM the serverless instant messenger http://retroshare.sf.net (Qt gui) will have soon as well VOIP and VIDEO Chat, and this is quite good for openmoko, as this is an encrypted one, so you are safe, that no third party is hearing your Voips. On Jan 30, 2008 5:47 PM, Colan Schwartz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Jan 29, 2008 at 06:13:17PM -0700, Jeremiah Flerchinger wrote: Has anyone who actually has hardware right now tried/had luck running a full featured VOIP application in OpenMoko? I'd much rather see Gizmo than Skype, especially since it looks like it's integrated into GrandCentral (http://www.grandcentral.com/) and is based on open standards (and closed source). It also looks like Gizmo directly supports the Maemo on the Nokia N800 (http://gizmoproject.com/learnmore-nokia800.html). Other options are http://ekiga.org/ and http://www.openwengo.org/. They both do SIP. I know about Ekiga because it ships with Ubuntu, and it's completely open source. I don't know that much about OpenWengo. -c. -- Colan Schwartz Internet Consultant | Openject Consulting | http://www.openject.com/ ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Gizmo for Skype-like functionality in Neo?
On ke, 2008-01-30 at 18:00 +0100, Michael Schmidt wrote: the serverless instant messenger http://retroshare.sf.net (Qt gui) will have soon as well VOIP and VIDEO Chat, and this is quite good for openmoko, as this is an encrypted one, so you are safe, that no third party is hearing your Voips. Seems like it does its own thing, which is bad for interop. I would suggest to people implementing a softphone for OpenMoko to use standard SIP, applying preferrably the GNU ccRTP library for voice streams. This implements the quite nice ZRTP protocol designed by Zimmerman of PGP fame. (I haven't noticed other free implementations of ZRTP; if such are however available, this killer advantage to ccRTP may of course diminish.) Relevantly, there may be a lot of potential synergy with the GNU Telephony Open Embedded subproject: In GNU Telephony Open Embedded, one goal is to provide softphone clients, such as linphone, sflphoned, and twinkle, modified specifically for GPE and OPIE (Free Qtopia). - http://www.gnutelephony.org/index.php/GNU_Telephony_Open_Embedded I'm sure many relevant people know all this already, but thought I'd toss it out again. -- Mikko J Rauhala [EMAIL PROTECTED] University of Helsinki ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Gizmo for Skype-like functionality in Neo?
the serverless instant messenger http://retroshare.sf.net (Qt gui) will have soon as well VOIP and VIDEO Chat, and this is quite good for openmoko, as this is an encrypted one, so you are safe, that no third party is hearing your Voips. On Jan 30, 2008 5:47 PM, Colan Schwartz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Jan 29, 2008 at 06:13:17PM -0700, Jeremiah Flerchinger wrote: Has anyone who actually has hardware right now tried/had luck running a full featured VOIP application in OpenMoko? I'd much rather see Gizmo than Skype, especially since it looks like it's integrated into GrandCentral (http://www.grandcentral.com/) and is based on open standards (and closed source). It also looks like Gizmo directly supports the Maemo on the Nokia N800 (http://gizmoproject.com/learnmore-nokia800.html). Other options are http://ekiga.org/ and http://www.openwengo.org/. They both do SIP. I know about Ekiga because it ships with Ubuntu, and it's completely open source. I don't know that much about OpenWengo. -c. -- Colan Schwartz Internet Consultant | Openject Consulting | http://www.openject.com/ ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Gizmo for Skype-like functionality in Neo?
the serverless instant messenger http://retroshare.sf.net (Qt gui) will have soon as well VOIP and VIDEO Chat, and this is quite good for openmoko, as this is an encrypted one, so you are safe, that no third party is hearing your Voips. (http://gizmoproject.com/learnmore-nokia800.html). Other options are http://ekiga.org/ and http://www.openwengo.org/. They both do SIP. I know about Ekiga because it ships with Ubuntu, and it's completely open source. I don't know that much about OpenWengo. -c. Ekiga is just a client package and doesn't contain a server component, like asterisk. There is also linPhone (http://www.linphone.org/), which is built with GTK and has core/gui seperation. That might be nice for direct integration into the OpenMoko GUI and for people who don't want to run an entire asterisk server on their phone. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Gizmo for Skype-like functionality in Neo?
Am Mi 30. Januar 2008 schrieb Colan Schwartz: Other options are http://ekiga.org/ and http://www.openwengo.org/. They both do SIP. I know about Ekiga because it ships with Ubuntu, and it's completely open source. I don't know that much about OpenWengo. www.twinklephone.com. Qt based, so maybe (more) easily portable to QTopia. Plus a lean CLI mode. Works with ekiga buddies/presence and IM (SIP SIMPLE). j ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Gizmo for Skype-like functionality in Neo?
Am Mi 30. Januar 2008 schrieb Mikko J Rauhala: On ke, 2008-01-30 at 18:00 +0100, Michael Schmidt wrote: the serverless instant messenger http://retroshare.sf.net (Qt gui) will have soon as well VOIP and VIDEO Chat, and this is quite good for openmoko, as this is an encrypted one, so you are safe, that no third party is hearing your Voips. Seems like it does its own thing, which is bad for interop. I would suggest to people implementing a softphone for OpenMoko to use standard SIP, applying preferrably the GNU ccRTP library for voice streams. This implements the quite nice ZRTP protocol designed by Zimmerman of PGP fame. (I haven't noticed other free implementations of ZRTP; if such are however available, this killer advantage to ccRTP may of course diminish.) That's all in twinkle! ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Gizmo for Skype-like functionality in Neo?
Am Mi 30. Januar 2008 schrieb Jeremiah Flerchinger: Ekiga is just a client package and doesn't contain a server component, What for do you want to have a server on GTA? BTW linphone is no way different in this aspect AFAIK. like asterisk. There is also linPhone (http://www.linphone.org/), That might be nice for ... people who don't want to run an entire asterisk server on their phone. That's true for every SIP-Usaer-Agent, i think. Just no need for a server. Register with any SIP-provider, or simply do direct IP2IP without any registrar at all. I don't know _any_ SIP-softphone that needs asterisk on the local machine. j ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Gizmo for Skype-like functionality in Neo?
I am working in an iax2 gtk client now, check out http://bkruse.com. (mokoiax) I then plan to port a sip client (nothing like gizmo) Gizmo hates freedom. Its closed. Please do not turn this mostly open platform into a commercial playground. Brandon Kruse (bkruse) On Jan 29, 2008, at 7:13 PM, Jeremiah Flerchinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Has anyone who actually has hardware right now tried/had luck running a full featured VOIP application in OpenMoko? I'd much rather see Gizmo than Skype, especially since it looks like it's integrated into GrandCentral (http://www.grandcentral.com/) and is based on open standards (and closed source). It also looks like Gizmo directly supports the Maemo on the Nokia N800 (http://gizmoproject.com/learnmore-nokia800.html). ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Gizmo for Skype-like functionality in Neo?
On Jan 30, 2008, at 10:47 AM, Colan Schwartz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Jan 29, 2008 at 06:13:17PM -0700, Jeremiah Flerchinger wrote: Has anyone who actually has hardware right now tried/had luck running a full featured VOIP application in OpenMoko? I'd much rather see Gizmo than Skype, especially since it looks like it's integrated into GrandCentral (http://www.grandcentral.com/) and is based on open standards (and closed source). It also looks like Gizmo directly supports the Maemo on the Nokia N800 (http://gizmoproject.com/learnmore-nokia800.html). Other options are http://ekiga.org/ and http://www.openwengo.org/. They both do SIP. I know about Ekiga because it ships with Ubuntu, and it's completely open source. I don't know that much about OpenWengo. -c. -- Colan Schwartz Internet Consultant | Openject Consulting | http://www.openject.com/ ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community Ekiga would be absolutely amazing. A major port job (gtk wise) but everything else should be simple to integrate for an application developer. Great suggestion. -brandon kruse ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Gizmo for Skype-like functionality in Neo?
I have ported asterisk and the Ipkg is available at http://bkruse.com along with a beta cli iax client. Having problems with binding to the mic...but we will see. Brandon Kruse (bkruse) On Jan 30, 2008, at 10:51 AM, Christopher Earl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: you can do calls with asterisk, its just all console for now the command is 'console dial [EMAIL PROTECTED]' and it is also a server Colan Schwartz [EMAIL PROTECTED] 01/30/08 11:47 AM On Tue, Jan 29, 2008 at 06:13:17PM -0700, Jeremiah Flerchinger wrote: Has anyone who actually has hardware right now tried/had luck running a full featured VOIP application in OpenMoko? I'd much rather see Gizmo than Skype, especially since it looks like it's integrated into GrandCentral (http://www.grandcentral.com/) and is based on open standards (and closed source). It also looks like Gizmo directly supports the Maemo on the Nokia N800 (http://gizmoproject.com/learnmore-nokia800.html). Other options are http://ekiga.org/ and http://www.openwengo.org/. They both do SIP. I know about Ekiga because it ships with Ubuntu, and it's completely open source. I don't know that much about OpenWengo. -c. -- Colan Schwartz Internet Consultant | Openject Consulting | http://www.openject.com/ ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Gizmo for Skype-like functionality in Neo?
Just go to the asterisk GUI web interface I can package it up now and works in the OM browser. Brandon Kruse (bkruse) On Jan 30, 2008, at 11:06 AM, Christopher Earl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: may as well just wait for the asterisk GUI cause OM uses GTK not QT so it would require some serious editing, however the serverless idea is good Michael Schmidt [EMAIL PROTECTED] 01/30/08 12:00 PM the serverless instant messenger http://retroshare.sf.net (Qt gui) will have soon as well VOIP and VIDEO Chat, and this is quite good for openmoko, as this is an encrypted one, so you are safe, that no third party is hearing your Voips. On Jan 30, 2008 5:47 PM, Colan Schwartz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Jan 29, 2008 at 06:13:17PM -0700, Jeremiah Flerchinger wrote: Has anyone who actually has hardware right now tried/had luck running a full featured VOIP application in OpenMoko? I'd much rather see Gizmo than Skype, especially since it looks like it's integrated into GrandCentral (http://www.grandcentral.com/) and is based on open standards (and closed source). It also looks like Gizmo directly supports the Maemo on the Nokia N800 (http://gizmoproject.com/learnmore-nokia800.html). Other options are http://ekiga.org/ and http://www.openwengo.org/. They both do SIP. I know about Ekiga because it ships with Ubuntu, and it's completely open source. I don't know that much about OpenWengo. -c. -- Colan Schwartz Internet Consultant | Openject Consulting | http://www.openject.com/ ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Gizmo for Skype-like functionality in Neo?
On Jan 30, 2008, at 11:32 AM, Jeremiah Flerchinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: the serverless instant messenger http://retroshare.sf.net (Qt gui) will have soon as well VOIP and VIDEO Chat, and this is quite good for openmoko, as this is an encrypted one, so you are safe, that no third party is hearing your Voips. (http://gizmoproject.com/learnmore-nokia800.html). Other options are http://ekiga.org/ and http://www.openwengo.org/. They both do SIP. I know about Ekiga because it ships with Ubuntu, and it's completely open source. I don't know that much about OpenWengo. -c. Ekiga is just a client package and doesn't contain a server component, like asterisk. There is also linPhone (http://www.linphone.org/ ), which is built with GTK and has core/gui seperation. That might be nice for direct integration into the OpenMoko GUI and for people who don't want to run an entire asterisk server on their phone. Yes, agreed. I ported asterisk as a proof of concept and to help me understand the build process. Besides, you cannot run asterisk with sip and/or iax and an sip/iax client (udp bind port) -brandon kruse.___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Gizmo for Skype-like functionality in Neo?
joerg wrote: Am Mi 30. Januar 2008 schrieb Jeremiah Flerchinger: Ekiga is just a client package and doesn't contain a server component, What for do you want to have a server on GTA? BTW linphone is no way different in this aspect AFAIK. I personally wouldn't want a server on the phone. I would rather log into a separate SIP/IAX server that could give access to land lines as well as SIP VOIP lines. I was trying to extend the post I replied to gather more suggestions for SIP client software because I didn't understand why an entire server was needed. like asterisk. There is also linPhone (http://www.linphone.org/), That might be nice for ... people who don't want to run an entire asterisk server on their phone. That's true for every SIP-Usaer-Agent, i think. Just no need for a server. Register with any SIP-provider, or simply do direct IP2IP without any registrar at all. I don't know _any_ SIP-softphone that needs asterisk on the local machine. j Agreed, as I said above. Still, I do prefer the idea of using a SIP-provider instead of IP2IP purely for the purpose of calling land lines. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
