Re: Glad to see Gentoo-openmoko distro
On Tue Sep 09, 2008 at 03:34:37PM +0100, Al Johnson wrote: > On Tuesday 09 September 2008, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote: > > On Tue, Sep 09, 2008 at 01:00:36PM +0100, Al Johnson wrote: > > > On Tuesday 09 September 2008, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote: > > > > I hope you guys don't mind killing your phone or uSD's memory sooner > > > > than everyone else :) > > > > > > Why? Are you making some unwarranted assumptions about using Gentoo on > > > embedded systems? > > > > No unwarranted assumption, the only argument you could throw back at me is > > an argument against using Gentoo instead of any .deb or .rpm based > > distribution ;) > > > > Please, no distro-war, you're free to kill your flash devices sooner ;) > > I use Gentoo, CentOS, Fedora and Debian so no war here :-) I'm just curious > why you think Gentoo will wear out flash devices sooner than any other distro > if reasonably configured. The key here is probably 'reasonable' as I would > build packages on a more capable machine and use binary-only merges, and > various directories may find themselves mounted over the network. im surprised at the popularity of these 'images' and flashing the entire device surely a distro with piecemeal upgrade puts less wear and tear on the flash and debian's lack of USE/config support means you generally get a larger binary with more stuff enabled - so more wear and tear whats the big fear anywyas. MTFB is like 1 million rewrites, and you have hardware and FS level wear-leveling/block-masking anwyays surely youll want a bigger HD or a phone with 3G and a camera before then > > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Glad to see Gentoo-openmoko distro
On Tuesday 09 September 2008, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote: > On Tue, Sep 09, 2008 at 01:00:36PM +0100, Al Johnson wrote: > > On Tuesday 09 September 2008, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote: > > > I hope you guys don't mind killing your phone or uSD's memory sooner > > > than everyone else :) > > > > Why? Are you making some unwarranted assumptions about using Gentoo on > > embedded systems? > > No unwarranted assumption, the only argument you could throw back at me is > an argument against using Gentoo instead of any .deb or .rpm based > distribution ;) > > Please, no distro-war, you're free to kill your flash devices sooner ;) I use Gentoo, CentOS, Fedora and Debian so no war here :-) I'm just curious why you think Gentoo will wear out flash devices sooner than any other distro if reasonably configured. The key here is probably 'reasonable' as I would build packages on a more capable machine and use binary-only merges, and various directories may find themselves mounted over the network. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Glad to see Gentoo-openmoko distro
On Wednesday 10 September 2008, Previdi Roberto wrote: > On Wed, Sep 10, 2008 at 1:22 AM, Al Johnson > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: > > No loss of USE - see the Gentoo Embedded Handbook, in particular this > > page: > > > > http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/base/embedded/handbook/index.xml?part=1&cha > >p=5 > > Ok, i have read that document, i think you are referring to the part where > he says > *"For your runtime system, you'll need a much slimmer/trimmed down setup. > The files you remove from a normal installed package is why this tree is > not suitable for compiling against. If you build binary packages while > installing into your sysroot, then you can use those binary packages in > conjunction with the INSTALL_MASK variable to trim out most things. See the > make.conf(5) man page for more information." > > *But i cannot understand a thing: why if i only have one neo, and i don't > plan to release any overlay or similar to the public, should i choose to > prepare the binary packages on the desktop and then emerge them from the > neo? Isn't it the same thing of just syncing the two trees? umh.. > > Anyway, i have thought a bit about the available options to keep the > installation clean.. i came to 2+1 solutions: > > 1) concurrent tree > we keep 2 different trees, one on the neo and one on the desktop. when we > want to update, install, remove, destroy any piece of our little gentoo > thing we just make an operation of "sync-emerge-sync". > we must make the first sync to import in the desktop any modified > configuration file, any custom installed lib, or deletion of things.. > the second sync is obviously to transfer the newly updated files on the neo > > pros: > - two copies are better than one (simple and up to date backup) > - you can make the painful "after holiday world update" (which can compile > for something like one night on slow desktops) and other slow operations > without keeping the neo connected. just make the first sync and then launch > the command > - versioning? > - eventual neo disconnections during the sync phase are not so terrible, we > just reconnect and restart the sync.. > > cons: > - much space occupied > - the sync can be very slow (because the flash card is slow) > > 2) on-desktop compilation - on-neo installation > we mount the neo root as sysroot on the desktop (nfs? usbfs?). then we add > to the mounted tree the missing directories (/usr/portage, > /var/tmp/portage, /usr/doc and others) which will actually reside on the > desktop disk. now we have a complete sysroot where we can execute the > cross-emerge as explained in the guide. after that we simply unmount our > neo and go out with our freshly updated system. > > pros: > - faster, no tedious sync involved > - less space required on the desktop > > cons: > - you must keep the neo connected all the time > - neo disconnection can cause emerge to fail (but it shouldn't create > inconsistencies, until the disconnection happens in the installation phase) > - maybe other problems due to discording user ids or something (?) > > 3) hybrid (my preferred one) > we keep both the clone tree and the mounting scripts, we mount the neo over > the clone tree (and complete with the links) when we want a simple and > wuick update of 2 or 3 packages. But when we must compile the heavy > 65-packages gnome+qt+apache+openoffice update we just make the sync, launch > the command and come back after the necessary hours.. > > pros: flexibility > cons: cannot find one (maybe paranoia? personality conflicts? :) ) > > please guys tell me what you think about.. maybe there are much simpler > ways that i forgot or just don't know about.. > > roby I think you're making this much harder than it needs to be. It's very much like the OpenEmbedded situation, except we're using portage to build binary packages for the Freerunner instead of using bitbake. The desktop is the repository for the binary packages. On the Freerunner you can netmount /usr/portage, or keep it local if you have the space to spare, and sync against the desktop buildhost. Point portage on the freerunner to the desktop as the binary package repository, and emerge binary packages only. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Glad to see Gentoo-openmoko distro
On Wednesday 10 September 2008, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote: > Hi, > > I know that. Perfectly. It so happens that the whole point of using > Gentoo is to build your own binaries. If you're goind the pre-built > packages way, why not do it with someone who has more experience :) I may be telling portage on the Feerunner to use binary packages only, but they will be from a repository built on my desktop using my selection of USE flags etc. It's a similar situation to OpenEmbedded, but using portage instead of bitbake on the buildhost for the build, and portage instead of opkg on the Freerunner for package management. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Glad to see Gentoo-openmoko distro
On Wed, Sep 10, 2008 at 1:22 AM, Al Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: > No loss of USE - see the Gentoo Embedded Handbook, in particular this page: > > http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/base/embedded/handbook/index.xml?part=1&chap=5 > Ok, i have read that document, i think you are referring to the part where he says *"For your runtime system, you'll need a much slimmer/trimmed down setup. The files you remove from a normal installed package is why this tree is not suitable for compiling against. If you build binary packages while installing into your sysroot, then you can use those binary packages in conjunction with the INSTALL_MASK variable to trim out most things. See the make.conf(5) man page for more information." *But i cannot understand a thing: why if i only have one neo, and i don't plan to release any overlay or similar to the public, should i choose to prepare the binary packages on the desktop and then emerge them from the neo? Isn't it the same thing of just syncing the two trees? umh.. Anyway, i have thought a bit about the available options to keep the installation clean.. i came to 2+1 solutions: 1) concurrent tree we keep 2 different trees, one on the neo and one on the desktop. when we want to update, install, remove, destroy any piece of our little gentoo thing we just make an operation of "sync-emerge-sync". we must make the first sync to import in the desktop any modified configuration file, any custom installed lib, or deletion of things.. the second sync is obviously to transfer the newly updated files on the neo pros: - two copies are better than one (simple and up to date backup) - you can make the painful "after holiday world update" (which can compile for something like one night on slow desktops) and other slow operations without keeping the neo connected. just make the first sync and then launch the command - versioning? - eventual neo disconnections during the sync phase are not so terrible, we just reconnect and restart the sync.. cons: - much space occupied - the sync can be very slow (because the flash card is slow) 2) on-desktop compilation - on-neo installation we mount the neo root as sysroot on the desktop (nfs? usbfs?). then we add to the mounted tree the missing directories (/usr/portage, /var/tmp/portage, /usr/doc and others) which will actually reside on the desktop disk. now we have a complete sysroot where we can execute the cross-emerge as explained in the guide. after that we simply unmount our neo and go out with our freshly updated system. pros: - faster, no tedious sync involved - less space required on the desktop cons: - you must keep the neo connected all the time - neo disconnection can cause emerge to fail (but it shouldn't create inconsistencies, until the disconnection happens in the installation phase) - maybe other problems due to discording user ids or something (?) 3) hybrid (my preferred one) we keep both the clone tree and the mounting scripts, we mount the neo over the clone tree (and complete with the links) when we want a simple and wuick update of 2 or 3 packages. But when we must compile the heavy 65-packages gnome+qt+apache+openoffice update we just make the sync, launch the command and come back after the necessary hours.. pros: flexibility cons: cannot find one (maybe paranoia? personality conflicts? :) ) please guys tell me what you think about.. maybe there are much simpler ways that i forgot or just don't know about.. roby * * ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Glad to see Gentoo-openmoko distro
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Re: Glad to see Gentoo-openmoko distro
Hi, I know that. Perfectly. It so happens that the whole point of using Gentoo is to build your own binaries. If you're goind the pre-built packages way, why not do it with someone who has more experience :) This is why I said the only argument one could throw at me is one which is *against* using Gentoo in spite of Debian/Fedora/whatever... :) Gentoo is very nice, IMHO, but for me it is a time waster, and if you're going the pre-built binaries way... well, why should I move? But your mileage may vary :) BTW, when I said: "no distro-war (...)" I meant it. That Debian jab isn't going to drag me into a distro-war :) Rui On Wed, Sep 10, 2008 at 09:58:40AM +0800, William Kenworthy wrote: > I think he answered your question Rui - there is no reason gentoo will > kill the flash any sooner than debian - unless its having up to date > software :) > > There are a lot of misconceptions about gentoo, please research it > before making rash statements (like I did about up to date software :) > > I find that opkg is so PRIMATIVE and restrictive compared to portage > thats its really frustrating. And from the outside looking in, debian > isnt a whole lot better . > > BillK > > > > On Tue, 2008-09-09 at 14:51 +0100, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote: > > On Tue, Sep 09, 2008 at 01:00:36PM +0100, Al Johnson wrote: > > > On Tuesday 09 September 2008, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote: > > > > I hope you guys don't mind killing your phone or uSD's memory sooner > > > > than everyone else :) > > > > > > Why? Are you making some unwarranted assumptions about using Gentoo on > > > embedded systems? > > > > No unwarranted assumption, the only argument you could throw back at me is > > an argument against using Gentoo instead of any .deb or .rpm based > > distribution ;) > > > > Please, no distro-war, you're free to kill your flash devices sooner ;) > > > > Rui > > > -- > William Kenworthy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Home in Perth! > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Umlaut Zebra �ber alles! Today is Pungenday, the 34th day of Bureaucracy in the YOLD 3174 + No matter how much you do, you never do enough -- unknown + Whatever you do will be insignificant, | but it is very important that you do it -- Gandhi + So let's do it...? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Glad to see Gentoo-openmoko distro
> No loss of USE - see the Gentoo Embedded Handbook, in particular this > page: > http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/base/embedded/handbook/index.xml?part=1&chap=5 > Interesting, need to read that :-) > You can do, but the bottleneck will then be linking which will happen > entirely on the phone. This can also be somewhat memory intensive, a > problem > on a memory-constrained device like this. You are right, this is a big problem. There is also the automake stuff which is also a bottleneck (i have not tried the caching feature for the autotools). Now i also think that the only option is to build the stuff on the desktop machine. I have to read the handbook now. I Love OpenMoko-Gentoo => O.M.G! Greetings Andy ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Glad to see Gentoo-openmoko distro
Even better might be to nfs mount all the important stuff - a PXE boot would be nice, but I havent the foggiest how to do this with uboot and wireless ... All the build directories, portage and maybe even the compiler and libs could be "elsewhere". BillK On Wed, 2008-09-10 at 03:58 +0200, Previdi Roberto wrote: > On Wed, Sep 10, 2008 at 1:22 AM, Al Johnson > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > No loss of USE - see the Gentoo Embedded Handbook, in > particular this page: > > http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/base/embedded/handbook/index.xml?part=1&chap=5 > > > glad to hear, i will take a look tomorrow.. (too late here now) > > > You can do, but the bottleneck will then be linking which > will happen > entirely on the phone. This can also be somewhat memory > intensive, a problem > on a memory-constrained device like this. > > well, the linking phase seems to be a real problem.. surely you cannot > build things such as firefox/apache/php/qt or other big packages.. > (not speaking about openoffice) probably the best thing to do should > be to crosscompile everything on desktop and then prepare some > "syncing" scripts, to have two identical environments.. The sync > should be in both directions, so portage could know about file > conflicts, externally installed packages, configuration files and such > things.. it can also be a good occasion to make a backup :) > > roby > > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- William Kenworthy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Home in Perth! ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Glad to see Gentoo-openmoko distro
generally speaking, i think that what this project is based upon is freedom of choice at the higest possible level, so having a possibility to try each different linux flavour (and maybe other oss) just go in that direction. I admit too that a sort of mainstream line is needed to push the development faster to reach a stable and usable smartphone, but keeping many diifferent active distros can give a wider testing environment for the applications, which will probably often be the same.. better tests = faster stabilization. roby On Wed, Sep 10, 2008 at 3:58 AM, William Kenworthy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: > I think he answered your question Rui - there is no reason gentoo will > kill the flash any sooner than debian - unless its having up to date > software :) > > There are a lot of misconceptions about gentoo, please research it > before making rash statements (like I did about up to date software :) > > I find that opkg is so PRIMATIVE and restrictive compared to portage > thats its really frustrating. And from the outside looking in, debian > isnt a whole lot better . > > BillK > > > > On Tue, 2008-09-09 at 14:51 +0100, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote: > > On Tue, Sep 09, 2008 at 01:00:36PM +0100, Al Johnson wrote: > > > On Tuesday 09 September 2008, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote: > > > > I hope you guys don't mind killing your phone or uSD's memory sooner > > > > than everyone else :) > > > > > > Why? Are you making some unwarranted assumptions about using Gentoo on > > > embedded systems? > > > > No unwarranted assumption, the only argument you could throw back at me > is > > an argument against using Gentoo instead of any .deb or .rpm based > > distribution ;) > > > > Please, no distro-war, you're free to kill your flash devices sooner ;) > > > > Rui > > > -- > William Kenworthy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Home in Perth! > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Glad to see Gentoo-openmoko distro
If that is so, then 2008.8 and debian will kill its just as fast. Read the docs - ITS NOT COMPILED ON THE FR BillK On Tue, 2008-09-09 at 07:25 -0700, Rodney Myers wrote: > On Sep 9, 2008, at 7:05 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > On Tue, Sep 09, 2008 at 02:51:14PM +0100, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra > > wrote: > >> On Tue, Sep 09, 2008 at 01:00:36PM +0100, Al Johnson wrote: > >>> On Tuesday 09 September 2008, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote: > I hope you guys don't mind killing your phone or uSD's memory > sooner > than everyone else :) > >>> > >>> Why? Are you making some unwarranted assumptions about using > >>> Gentoo on > >>> embedded systems? > >> > >> No unwarranted assumption, the only argument you could throw back > >> at me is > >> an argument against using Gentoo instead of any .deb or .rpm based > >> distribution ;) > >> > >> Please, no distro-war, you're free to kill your flash devices > >> sooner ;) > > Why would it kill the flash? > > With all of the thrashing, while it's attempting to compile everything? > > I know that I have gentoo on a MythTV box, and when installing > anything heavy, forget using it for 1/2 to 3/4 of a day. > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- William Kenworthy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Home in Perth! ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Glad to see Gentoo-openmoko distro
On Wed, Sep 10, 2008 at 1:22 AM, Al Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: > No loss of USE - see the Gentoo Embedded Handbook, in particular this page: > > http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/base/embedded/handbook/index.xml?part=1&chap=5 > glad to hear, i will take a look tomorrow.. (too late here now) > You can do, but the bottleneck will then be linking which will happen > entirely on the phone. This can also be somewhat memory intensive, a > problem > on a memory-constrained device like this. well, the linking phase seems to be a real problem.. surely you cannot build things such as firefox/apache/php/qt or other big packages.. (not speaking about openoffice) probably the best thing to do should be to crosscompile everything on desktop and then prepare some "syncing" scripts, to have two identical environments.. The sync should be in both directions, so portage could know about file conflicts, externally installed packages, configuration files and such things.. it can also be a good occasion to make a backup :) roby ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Glad to see Gentoo-openmoko distro
I think he answered your question Rui - there is no reason gentoo will kill the flash any sooner than debian - unless its having up to date software :) There are a lot of misconceptions about gentoo, please research it before making rash statements (like I did about up to date software :) I find that opkg is so PRIMATIVE and restrictive compared to portage thats its really frustrating. And from the outside looking in, debian isnt a whole lot better . BillK On Tue, 2008-09-09 at 14:51 +0100, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote: > On Tue, Sep 09, 2008 at 01:00:36PM +0100, Al Johnson wrote: > > On Tuesday 09 September 2008, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote: > > > I hope you guys don't mind killing your phone or uSD's memory sooner > > > than everyone else :) > > > > Why? Are you making some unwarranted assumptions about using Gentoo on > > embedded systems? > > No unwarranted assumption, the only argument you could throw back at me is > an argument against using Gentoo instead of any .deb or .rpm based > distribution ;) > > Please, no distro-war, you're free to kill your flash devices sooner ;) > > Rui > -- William Kenworthy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Home in Perth! ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Glad to see Gentoo-openmoko distro
On Tuesday 09 September 2008, Andreas Zuber wrote: > Am Dienstag 09 September 2008 18:45:09 schrieb Previdi Roberto: > > Yes you can use gentoo with binary packages, but you loose the great > > configurability given by the tuning of the USE flags... i think it's > > better if i can manage to crosscompile from my desktop, and then copy the > > generated binary on the moko. slower, but more flexible.. No loss of USE - see the Gentoo Embedded Handbook, in particular this page: http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/base/embedded/handbook/index.xml?part=1&chap=5 > It may also be an option to configure DistCC for crosscompilation on your > desktop. If you remove localhost from the list, everything will get > compiled on your desktop and not on the freerunner. The difference is that > you dont have to copy files and you can still use the USE flags. Hopefully > :-) > > http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/cross-compiling-distcc.xml You can do, but the bottleneck will then be linking which will happen entirely on the phone. This can also be somewhat memory intensive, a problem on a memory-constrained device like this. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Glad to see Gentoo-openmoko distro
I was thinking to the same thing, but why don't let the neo's cpu collaborate? maybe with lower priority... i was thinking to mount the /usr/portage and /var/portage (where all the compiling take place) as network disk with nfs or something, and setting up distcc to compile first on the desktop and with less priority on the neo... could work, and you could have a complete system just by mounting a couple of netdisks.. On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 11:07 PM, Andreas Zuber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Am Dienstag 09 September 2008 18:45:09 schrieb Previdi Roberto: > > Yes you can use gentoo with binary packages, but you loose the great > > configurability given by the tuning of the USE flags... i think it's > better > > if i can manage to crosscompile from my desktop, and then copy the > > generated binary on the moko. slower, but more flexible.. > > It may also be an option to configure DistCC for crosscompilation on your > desktop. If you remove localhost from the list, everything will get > compiled > on your desktop and not on the freerunner. The difference is that you dont > have to copy files and you can still use the USE flags. Hopefully :-) > > http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/cross-compiling-distcc.xml > > I hope i get gentoo running on my Freerunner, so i can test this soon > > greetings > Andy > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Glad to see Gentoo-openmoko distro
Am Dienstag 09 September 2008 18:45:09 schrieb Previdi Roberto: > Yes you can use gentoo with binary packages, but you loose the great > configurability given by the tuning of the USE flags... i think it's better > if i can manage to crosscompile from my desktop, and then copy the > generated binary on the moko. slower, but more flexible.. It may also be an option to configure DistCC for crosscompilation on your desktop. If you remove localhost from the list, everything will get compiled on your desktop and not on the freerunner. The difference is that you dont have to copy files and you can still use the USE flags. Hopefully :-) http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/cross-compiling-distcc.xml I hope i get gentoo running on my Freerunner, so i can test this soon greetings Andy ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Glad to see Gentoo-openmoko distro
Rodney Myers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > With all of the thrashing, while it's attempting to compile > everything? that's what crosscompiling is for. nobody is going to use portage to compile from source on the phone itself. how you came to that conclusion is beyond me. best regards ... clemens ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Glad to see Gentoo-openmoko distro
Does anyone have an overlay or something that lets you install illume, frameworkd, etc? On Monday 08 September 2008 20:59:22 Dennis.Yxun wrote: > HI Devs: > > As a die-hard Gentoo fans, I'd be happy to see someone > > deliver a Gentoo openmoko distribution which leverage the greatness of > portage. > > Thank you, It's really great! > >I'm downloading stage now, but due to my poor network, > > the download speed is quite low, and It about takes me 5Ds to finish the > stage1 tarball~ > > so I'm thinking about build the system all by myself. > >I've have some experience of setting up the cross-compiler tools in > Gentoo, > > but find it's not easy to build the base system... I may try this later, and > post here. > > Proposal, Can we setup an openmoko-gentoo overlay, so people who are > interested > > to this may build on it. And also people can contribute same ebuilds back. > -- Daniel Benoy http://daniel.benoy.name ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Glad to see Gentoo-openmoko distro
Yes you can use gentoo with binary packages, but you loose the great configurability given by the tuning of the USE flags... i think it's better if i can manage to crosscompile from my desktop, and then copy the generated binary on the moko. slower, but more flexible.. On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 5:28 PM, David Samblas <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote: > > You can allways use compiled package and avoid to compile anything on > gentoo,, and due we all use almos the same machine is no sense to compile > over and over again, only if you find that a packges is not already > compliled you can do it your self and the share with the rest to avoid it. > > Regards > > David Samblas > > On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 4:25 PM, Rodney Myers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: > >> On Sep 9, 2008, at 7:05 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >> >> On Tue, Sep 09, 2008 at 02:51:14PM +0100, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote: >>> On Tue, Sep 09, 2008 at 01:00:36PM +0100, Al Johnson wrote: > On Tuesday 09 September 2008, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote: > >> I hope you guys don't mind killing your phone or uSD's memory sooner >> than everyone else :) >> > > Why? Are you making some unwarranted assumptions about using Gentoo on > embedded systems? > No unwarranted assumption, the only argument you could throw back at me is an argument against using Gentoo instead of any .deb or .rpm based distribution ;) Please, no distro-war, you're free to kill your flash devices sooner ;) >>> Why would it kill the flash? >>> >> >> With all of the thrashing, while it's attempting to compile everything? >> >> I know that I have gentoo on a MythTV box, and when installing anything >> heavy, forget using it for 1/2 to 3/4 of a day. >> >> ___ >> Openmoko community mailing list >> community@lists.openmoko.org >> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community >> >> > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > > ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Glad to see Gentoo-openmoko distro
You can allways use compiled package and avoid to compile anything on gentoo,, and due we all use almos the same machine is no sense to compile over and over again, only if you find that a packges is not already compliled you can do it your self and the share with the rest to avoid it. Regards David Samblas On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 4:25 PM, Rodney Myers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Sep 9, 2008, at 7:05 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > On Tue, Sep 09, 2008 at 02:51:14PM +0100, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote: >> >>> On Tue, Sep 09, 2008 at 01:00:36PM +0100, Al Johnson wrote: >>> On Tuesday 09 September 2008, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote: > I hope you guys don't mind killing your phone or uSD's memory sooner > than everyone else :) > Why? Are you making some unwarranted assumptions about using Gentoo on embedded systems? >>> >>> No unwarranted assumption, the only argument you could throw back at me >>> is >>> an argument against using Gentoo instead of any .deb or .rpm based >>> distribution ;) >>> >>> Please, no distro-war, you're free to kill your flash devices sooner ;) >>> >> Why would it kill the flash? >> > > With all of the thrashing, while it's attempting to compile everything? > > I know that I have gentoo on a MythTV box, and when installing anything > heavy, forget using it for 1/2 to 3/4 of a day. > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > > ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Glad to see Gentoo-openmoko distro
On Tue, Sep 09, 2008 at 07:25:59AM -0700, Rodney Myers wrote: > On Sep 9, 2008, at 7:05 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > >> On Tue, Sep 09, 2008 at 02:51:14PM +0100, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote: >>> On Tue, Sep 09, 2008 at 01:00:36PM +0100, Al Johnson wrote: On Tuesday 09 September 2008, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote: > I hope you guys don't mind killing your phone or uSD's memory sooner > than everyone else :) Why? Are you making some unwarranted assumptions about using Gentoo on embedded systems? >>> >>> No unwarranted assumption, the only argument you could throw back at me >>> is >>> an argument against using Gentoo instead of any .deb or .rpm based >>> distribution ;) >>> >>> Please, no distro-war, you're free to kill your flash devices sooner ;) >> Why would it kill the flash? > > With all of the thrashing, while it's attempting to compile everything? > > I know that I have gentoo on a MythTV box, and when installing anything > heavy, forget using it for 1/2 to 3/4 of a day. See Dennis's reply. > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Glad to see Gentoo-openmoko distro
Sorry, i have to correct: the guide i am following is this one: http://gentoo-wiki.com/User:TuXXX On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 12:16 PM, Previdi Roberto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: > Following the http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Gentoo guide i am trying to > build my system, but i will not test it until i receive the 8Gb memory card > i ordered. I will surely send a report and maybe an image (where should i > send it?) when something works.. > > 2008/9/9 Dennis. Yxun <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> someone already made this, I just haven't tried it, >> due to my poor network >> >> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Gentoo >> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/OpenMoko_under_QEMU_on_Gentoo >> >> On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 9:20 AM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> >> ___ >> Openmoko community mailing list >> community@lists.openmoko.org >> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community >> >> > ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Glad to see Gentoo-openmoko distro
On Sep 9, 2008, at 7:05 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Sep 09, 2008 at 02:51:14PM +0100, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote: On Tue, Sep 09, 2008 at 01:00:36PM +0100, Al Johnson wrote: On Tuesday 09 September 2008, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote: I hope you guys don't mind killing your phone or uSD's memory sooner than everyone else :) Why? Are you making some unwarranted assumptions about using Gentoo on embedded systems? No unwarranted assumption, the only argument you could throw back at me is an argument against using Gentoo instead of any .deb or .rpm based distribution ;) Please, no distro-war, you're free to kill your flash devices sooner ;) Why would it kill the flash? With all of the thrashing, while it's attempting to compile everything? I know that I have gentoo on a MythTV box, and when installing anything heavy, forget using it for 1/2 to 3/4 of a day. PGP.sig Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Glad to see Gentoo-openmoko distro
Rui Miguel Silva Seabra 写道: > Please, no distro-war, you're free to kill your flash devices sooner ;) > we cross-compile the package in our desktop, just like debian's distro then install the binary *.tbz2 into the FR. the goodness here is that we can leverage the dignity of gentoo package manage system. And for the flash devices? we don't compile package on it, so I see no difference although it may consume some extra space, but that's the last thing i care about > Rui > > ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Glad to see Gentoo-openmoko distro
On Tue, Sep 09, 2008 at 02:51:14PM +0100, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote: > On Tue, Sep 09, 2008 at 01:00:36PM +0100, Al Johnson wrote: > > On Tuesday 09 September 2008, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote: > > > I hope you guys don't mind killing your phone or uSD's memory sooner > > > than everyone else :) > > > > Why? Are you making some unwarranted assumptions about using Gentoo on > > embedded systems? > > No unwarranted assumption, the only argument you could throw back at me is > an argument against using Gentoo instead of any .deb or .rpm based > distribution ;) > > Please, no distro-war, you're free to kill your flash devices sooner ;) Why would it kill the flash? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Glad to see Gentoo-openmoko distro
On Tue, Sep 09, 2008 at 01:00:36PM +0100, Al Johnson wrote: > On Tuesday 09 September 2008, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote: > > I hope you guys don't mind killing your phone or uSD's memory sooner > > than everyone else :) > > Why? Are you making some unwarranted assumptions about using Gentoo on > embedded systems? No unwarranted assumption, the only argument you could throw back at me is an argument against using Gentoo instead of any .deb or .rpm based distribution ;) Please, no distro-war, you're free to kill your flash devices sooner ;) Rui -- Or not. Today is Boomtime, the 33rd day of Bureaucracy in the YOLD 3174 + No matter how much you do, you never do enough -- unknown + Whatever you do will be insignificant, | but it is very important that you do it -- Gandhi + So let's do it...? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Glad to see Gentoo-openmoko distro
i was thinking about installing it completely on the external microsd, so there shouldn't be any problem of this sort.. but anyway.. dfu-util is always there :) and speaking about gentoo, i trust portage nearly as much as i trust "make".. roby On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 12:56 PM, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: > I hope you guys don't mind killing your phone or uSD's memory sooner > than everyone else :) > > Rui > > On Tue, Sep 09, 2008 at 12:16:47PM +0200, Previdi Roberto wrote: > > Following the http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Gentoo guide i am trying to > > build my system, but i will not test it until i receive the 8Gb memory > card > > i ordered. I will surely send a report and maybe an image (where should i > > send it?) when something works.. > > > > 2008/9/9 Dennis. Yxun <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > someone already made this, I just haven't tried it, > > > due to my poor network > > > > > > http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Gentoo > > > http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/OpenMoko_under_QEMU_on_Gentoo > > > -- > Grudnuk demand sustenance! > Today is Boomtime, the 33rd day of Bureaucracy in the YOLD 3174 > + No matter how much you do, you never do enough -- unknown > + Whatever you do will be insignificant, > | but it is very important that you do it -- Gandhi > + So let's do it...? > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Glad to see Gentoo-openmoko distro
On Tuesday 09 September 2008, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote: > I hope you guys don't mind killing your phone or uSD's memory sooner > than everyone else :) Why? Are you making some unwarranted assumptions about using Gentoo on embedded systems? > Rui > > On Tue, Sep 09, 2008 at 12:16:47PM +0200, Previdi Roberto wrote: > > Following the http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Gentoo guide i am trying to > > build my system, but i will not test it until i receive the 8Gb memory > > card i ordered. I will surely send a report and maybe an image (where > > should i send it?) when something works.. > > > > 2008/9/9 Dennis. Yxun <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > someone already made this, I just haven't tried it, > > > due to my poor network > > > > > > http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Gentoo > > > http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/OpenMoko_under_QEMU_on_Gentoo ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Glad to see Gentoo-openmoko distro
I hope you guys don't mind killing your phone or uSD's memory sooner than everyone else :) Rui On Tue, Sep 09, 2008 at 12:16:47PM +0200, Previdi Roberto wrote: > Following the http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Gentoo guide i am trying to > build my system, but i will not test it until i receive the 8Gb memory card > i ordered. I will surely send a report and maybe an image (where should i > send it?) when something works.. > > 2008/9/9 Dennis. Yxun <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > someone already made this, I just haven't tried it, > > due to my poor network > > > > http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Gentoo > > http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/OpenMoko_under_QEMU_on_Gentoo -- Grudnuk demand sustenance! Today is Boomtime, the 33rd day of Bureaucracy in the YOLD 3174 + No matter how much you do, you never do enough -- unknown + Whatever you do will be insignificant, | but it is very important that you do it -- Gandhi + So let's do it...? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Glad to see Gentoo-openmoko distro
Following the http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Gentoo guide i am trying to build my system, but i will not test it until i receive the 8Gb memory card i ordered. I will surely send a report and maybe an image (where should i send it?) when something works.. 2008/9/9 Dennis. Yxun <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > someone already made this, I just haven't tried it, > due to my poor network > > http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Gentoo > http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/OpenMoko_under_QEMU_on_Gentoo > > On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 9:20 AM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > > ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Glad to see Gentoo-openmoko distro
someone already made this, I just haven't tried it, due to my poor network http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Gentoo http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/OpenMoko_under_QEMU_on_Gentoo On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 9:20 AM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Glad to see Gentoo-openmoko distro
On Tue, Sep 09, 2008 at 08:59:22AM +0800, Dennis.Yxun wrote: > HI Devs: > > As a die-hard Gentoo fans, I'd be happy to see someone > > deliver a Gentoo openmoko distribution which leverage the greatness of > portage. > > Thank you, It's really great! > >I'm downloading stage now, but due to my poor network, > > the download speed is quite low, and It about takes me 5Ds to finish the > stage1 tarball~ > > so I'm thinking about build the system all by myself. > >I've have some experience of setting up the cross-compiler tools in > Gentoo, > > but find it's not easy to build the base system... I may try this later, and > post here. > > Proposal, Can we setup an openmoko-gentoo overlay, so people who are > interested > > to this may build on it. And also people can contribute same ebuilds back. I'm a gentoo user too. Would love to see something done with it. I think someone is already working on this. I saw someone talking about it a few days ago on gentoo-embedded. Here's the thread. http://archives.gentoo.org/gentoo-embedded/msg_92e6f8eb918aa1d5277481ae3c205138.xml ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Glad to see Gentoo-openmoko distro
HI Devs: As a die-hard Gentoo fans, I'd be happy to see someone deliver a Gentoo openmoko distribution which leverage the greatness of portage. Thank you, It's really great! I'm downloading stage now, but due to my poor network, the download speed is quite low, and It about takes me 5Ds to finish the stage1 tarball~ so I'm thinking about build the system all by myself. I've have some experience of setting up the cross-compiler tools in Gentoo, but find it's not easy to build the base system... I may try this later, and post here. Proposal, Can we setup an openmoko-gentoo overlay, so people who are interested to this may build on it. And also people can contribute same ebuilds back. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
