Re: [Om2009] testing Release 3: first impressions
On Thu, May 21, 2009 at 6:21 PM, Toni Mueller supp...@oeko.net wrote: Other things that I'd change if I were able to, off the top of my head: Hi Tony! A great list of issues and things to write down for further development. Please add the items here so they're all on one list and can easily be read through: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Paroli-issues Thanks! r -- | risto h. kurppa | risto at kurppa dot fi | http://risto.kurppa.fi ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
RE: [Om2009] testing Release 3: first impressions
On Thu, 21 May 2009, Staley, Daniel L wrote: 3.) This is a big one for me: When someone sends me a text message, the number does not get looked up in the addressbook. The lookup works fine when someone calls me, but not when an sms comes in. I just see the number instead of the name. is it possible that this is http://www.paroli-project.org/trac/ticket/145 ? if so, please feel free to add a report! not too many people seem to be upset about this at the moment (which is of course fair, if it doesn't bite them). -- Tom Yates - http://www.teaparty.net ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Om2009] testing Release 3: first impressions
On Thu, May 21, 2009 at 06:46:54PM +0200, Toni Mueller wrote: Hi Angus, On Thu, 21.05.2009 at 10:03:50 -0600, Angus Ainslie nyt...@openmoko.org wrote: The time gets updated from the network NTP, I assume? That'd be very much ok. Thats paroli talking to the frame work before the framework is ready to respond. Ok. I'd prefer digital too and maybe even white on black to match the rest of paroli. Send a patch for the paroli-illume profile and I'll integrate it. In Paroli, it's white on black, but in Illume, the top bar is light grey. There, it should probably be black on white for that reason. * I have yet to find out how to rotate the screen on demand. xrandr Or install omnewrotate (which uses libxrandr to swiftly rotate the screen on the demand caused by the phone's position) :) With Om2009.t4 should be just opkg install omnewrotate Rui ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Om2009] testing Release 3: first impressions
2009/5/20 Risto H. Kurppa ri...@kurppa.fi: I've been told that you can install the package udev-static-devices to reduce the boot time by ~30s (but if you have your home on /media/disk/bind-home, it'll not work, see http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Om2009#Installing ) - stuff still under development. how do we install this package? i can't find it in the om archives; is it from a separate feed, or does it need to be installed manually? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Om2009] testing Release 3: first impressions
On Thu, May 21, 2009 at 2:50 PM, Robin Paulson robin.paul...@gmail.com wrote: how do we install this package? i can't find it in the om archives; is it from a separate feed, or does it need to be installed manually? http://downloads.openmoko.org/repository/testing/armv4t/numptyphysics_0.2+svnr109-r1_armv4t.ipk http://downloads.openmoko.org/repository/testing/armv4t/tangogps_0.9.6-r0_armv4t.ipk etc Laszlo ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Om2009] testing Release 3: first impressions
2009/5/22 Laszlo KREKACS laszlo.krekacs.l...@gmail.com: On Thu, May 21, 2009 at 2:50 PM, Robin Paulson robin.paul...@gmail.com wrote: how do we install this package? i can't find it in the om archives; is it from a separate feed, or does it need to be installed manually? http://downloads.openmoko.org/repository/testing/armv4t/numptyphysics_0.2+svnr109-r1_armv4t.ipk http://downloads.openmoko.org/repository/testing/armv4t/tangogps_0.9.6-r0_armv4t.ipk etc that's confusing. i'm trying to install udev-static-devices, because apparently it will speed up boot time. it's not listed in the feeds which are on my neo (including 'http://downloads.openmoko.org/repository/testing/armv4t/' as you listed above) - as shown by 'opkg list|grep udev-static-device' returning nothing. so, if it's not in those feeds, where is the package? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Om2009] testing Release 3: first impressions
On May 21, 2009 07:22:15 am Robin Paulson wrote: that's confusing. i'm trying to install udev-static-devices, because apparently it will speed up boot time. it's not listed in the feeds which are on my neo (including 'http://downloads.openmoko.org/repository/testing/armv4t/' as you listed above) - as shown by 'opkg list|grep udev-static-device' returning nothing. It hasn't made it to the testing feed yet. You will need to get it from the unstable feed http://downloads.openmoko.org/repository/unstable/ Angus ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
RE: [Om2009] testing Release 3: first impressions
Hi, I decided I'd try to start using om2009 as my daily phone to help test it out. Here are a few of my comments (some I'm sure have been mentioned before) 1.) I really like the paroli look/interface! It is simple, responsive, and the contrast makes it easy to see. 2.) If you rotate the screen orientation, the main menu for paroli does not resize well. Other parts, (the dialer for instance) work fine rotated though. 3.) This is a big one for me: When someone sends me a text message, the number does not get looked up in the addressbook. The lookup works fine when someone calls me, but not when an sms comes in. I just see the number instead of the name. 4.) The people page needs to jump to the first contact that starts with a letter typed. I have hundreds of contacts, and scrolling through them to find someone is a royal pain. If I could jump to a letter, that would be great. I'll continue testing it and comment about anything else I see, but so far I really like it! Good job guys! -Dan Staley ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Om2009] testing Release 3: first impressions
Hi, On Wed, 20.05.2009 at 04:24:33 -0400, Mirko Lindner mi...@openmoko.com wrote: Toni Mueller wrote: I thought I'd just throw my 0.02 cents into the arena. ;} Yeah, we want it all :) while flashing moko11 I've just discovered that Paroli doesn't let me set the date, but only the time. For some obscure reason, after a reboot (all w/o a GSM SIM card), the date was magically adjusted from May 9th to today. Other things that I'd change if I were able to, off the top of my head: * I still happen to not understand Paroli's UI. The battery looks like being empty in Paroli, but full in Illume. * There's a strange icon to the left of the battery that doesn't say what it is, nor what it wants to tell me. * I generally like Illume better, but would like the Illume task bar (?) to vanish unless used. * The minuscule analog clock doesn't really serve a purpose, imho. It'd be better to either (configurably) replace it by a digital clock, and/or maximize it when activated, like any other application, too. * I'd like to freely configure the selection and order of apps in that task bar, and probably have bigger arrows to press, owing to my fat fingers. Btw, I've just gotten an Enlightenment Error, SEGV. * Illume (Paroli?) should have a reset to factory setting option, so I don't have to re-flash in case I made a mistake. * I have yet to find out how to rotate the screen on demand. * Suspend should be configurable to not being activated while on USB power. It's annoying to me that the device always goes to sleep, and consequently, my SSH connection goes down, while I'm looking something up in the wiki or elsewhere. * After several reboots, the time has now been turned backwards for well over an hour. The difference is small enough to suggest to me that maybe the device displays what it thinks is UTC instead of local time (which I configured). * After several suspend-resume cycles, Enlightenment crashes with a SEGV. In normal PCs, this suggests a hardware problem (bad ram!) unless the software is really broken... I know that asking for wishes and not doing anything is rather cheap... Hit the topbar (the small clock the the top of the screen) that should always get you back to the homescreen. I've been able to pinpoint this a bit more. Running w/o a GSM SIM card, I've entered the dialer in Paroli, typed a number, and then pressed Call. Naturally, no call was placed, but after that, I couldn't go back to the main Paroli screen anymore. And one OT remark: Often, bug numbers are slung around. It would be good to have either full bug URLs for the various trackers used, and/or shortcuts in the Wiki that would redirect properly edited bug numbers to the right tracker. Eg. the user types shr:#123, and the wiki redirects one to the corresponding tracker entry in the SHR tracker (hypothetical example, but you get the idea). So far, I'm often a bit at a loss as to which bug trackers (and where) are actually implied if I see a bug number. Kind regards, --Toni++ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Om2009] testing Release 3: first impressions
On May 21, 2009 09:21:07 am Toni Mueller wrote: Hi, On Wed, 20.05.2009 at 04:24:33 -0400, Mirko Lindner mi...@openmoko.com wrote: Toni Mueller wrote: I thought I'd just throw my 0.02 cents into the arena. ;} Yeah, we want it all :) while flashing moko11 I've just discovered that Paroli doesn't let me set the date, but only the time. For some obscure reason, after a reboot (all w/o a GSM SIM card), the date was magically adjusted from May 9th to today. The time gets updated from the network Other things that I'd change if I were able to, off the top of my head: * I still happen to not understand Paroli's UI. The battery looks like being empty in Paroli, but full in Illume. Thats paroli talking to the frame work before the framework is ready to respond. * There's a strange icon to the left of the battery that doesn't say what it is, nor what it wants to tell me. GSM signal level * The minuscule analog clock doesn't really serve a purpose, imho. It'd be better to either (configurably) replace it by a digital clock, and/or maximize it when activated, like any other application, too. I'd prefer digital too and maybe even white on black to match the rest of paroli. Send a patch for the paroli-illume profile and I'll integrate it. * I have yet to find out how to rotate the screen on demand. xrandr * Suspend should be configurable to not being activated while on USB power. It's annoying to me that the device always goes to sleep, and consequently, my SSH connection goes down, while I'm looking something up in the wiki or elsewhere. It should not suspend while plugged in. But there is a race condition in framework that those rules don't get properly applied sometimes. What sometimes works is to unplug the usb cable until the LED goes out and then plug it back in. I should not suspend after that point * After several reboots, the time has now been turned backwards for well over an hour. The difference is small enough to suggest to me that maybe the device displays what it thinks is UTC instead of local time (which I configured). Instead of configuring it for locatime you should set the correct localtime file and set ZONESOURCES=NONE in /etc/frameworkd.conf Angus ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Om2009] testing Release 3: first impressions
Hi, some more breakage, may be unrelated to Om2009, though... I've managed to mangle my menues, so now I can't get at the settings anymore, and the Terminal is also gone. I don't remember being able to completely disable suspend, and my micro SD card seems to be not properly recognized. At least, I get this: r...@om-gta02:~#fdisk -l /dev/mmcblk0 Disk /dev/mmcblk0: 7969 MB, 7969177600 bytes 255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 968 cylinders Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System /dev/mmcblk0p1 1 33 265041 83 Linux /dev/mmcblk0p2 34 66 265072+ 82 Linux swap /dev/mmcblk0p3 67 968 7245315 5 Extended /dev/mmcblk0p5 67 193 1020096 83 Linux /dev/mmcblk0p6 194 320 1020096 83 Linux /dev/mmcblk0p7 321 447 1020096 83 Linux /dev/mmcblk0p8 448 968 4184901 83 Linux r...@om-gta02:~# mount rootfs on / type rootfs (rw) /dev/root on / type jffs2 (rw,noatime) proc on /proc type proc (rw) sysfs on /sys type sysfs (rw) /dev/root on /dev/.static/dev type jffs2 (rw) udev on /dev type tmpfs (rw,size=2048k,mode=755) /dev/mmcblk0p7 on /media/mmcblk0p7 type ext3 (rw,sync,errors=continue,data=ordered) /dev/mmcblk0p1 on /media/card type ext3 (rw,errors=continue,data=ordered) /dev/mmcblk0p5 on /media/mmcblk0p5 type ext3 (rw,sync,errors=continue,data=ordered) /dev/mmcblk0p6 on /media/mmcblk0p6 type ext3 (rw,sync,errors=continue,data=ordered) tmpfs on /var/volatile type tmpfs (rw,mode=755) tmpfs on /dev/shm type tmpfs (rw,mode=777) devpts on /dev/pts type devpts (rw,gid=5,mode=620) I didn't do anything - don't know how the partitions got mounted, BUT r...@om-gta02:~# mkdir data r...@om-gta02:~# mount /dev/mmcblk0p8 data mount: special device /dev/mmcblk0p8 does not exist r...@om-gta02:~# mkfs.ext3 /dev/mmcblk0p8 mke2fs 1.38 (30-Jun-2005) Could not stat /dev/mmcblk0p8 --- No such file or directory The device apparently does not exist; did you specify it correctly? I did have some unclean shutdowns, though... IOW, the second half of my 8 gig card which I wanted to use for maps and other data that is not OS specific and uses large amounts of storage, is always available. One more problem: Once the X server crashes, there's apparently NO way to restart it w/o having at least an SSH connection to the device, or the device rebooted. There should be an easier way, imho. Kind regards, --Toni++ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Om2009] testing Release 3: first impressions
Hi Angus, On Thu, 21.05.2009 at 10:03:50 -0600, Angus Ainslie nyt...@openmoko.org wrote: The time gets updated from the network NTP, I assume? That'd be very much ok. Thats paroli talking to the frame work before the framework is ready to respond. Ok. I'd prefer digital too and maybe even white on black to match the rest of paroli. Send a patch for the paroli-illume profile and I'll integrate it. In Paroli, it's white on black, but in Illume, the top bar is light grey. There, it should probably be black on white for that reason. * I have yet to find out how to rotate the screen on demand. xrandr Thank you. I guess that someone should appropriately augment the Getting Started page in the wiki to explain the different GUIs, along with screenshots/photos. Taking note do do that at some point... Instead of configuring it for locatime you should set the correct localtime file and set ZONESOURCES=NONE in /etc/frameworkd.conf There was a dialogue in Paroli where I could adjust the time. There, I entered the time according to my local time zone, being unaware of the network time stuff. But I'd prefer to configure an /etc/localtime, like in any other *nix, too. Doing it in frameworkd.conf should work, too. Thank you for your hand-holding. Kind regards, --Toni++ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Om2009] testing Release 3: first impressions
On May 21, 2009 10:46:54 am Toni Mueller wrote: There was a dialogue in Paroli where I could adjust the time. There, I entered the time according to my local time zone, being unaware of the network time stuff. But I'd prefer to configure an /etc/localtime, like in any other *nix, too. Doing it in frameworkd.conf should work, too. You need to *copy* in the correct zone file from user share zones and set set zonesources to NONE. If you don't set zonesources then as soon as you add a SIM card the zone will get set from the GSM network Angus ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Om2009] testing Release 3: first impressions
Hi, [ still exploring the thing w/o much of a clue... ] On Thu, 21.05.2009 at 17:21:07 +0200, Toni Mueller supp...@oeko.net wrote: * Illume (Paroli?) should have a reset to factory setting option, so I don't have to re-flash in case I made a mistake. after messing up too much and, as I wrote, having severely misconfigured Illume, after remembering that it's Linux, I opted to delete the .e, .gconf and similar directories, then reboot. This gave me back Paroli, but now I can chose Illume in the display profile option all day long, and don't ever get back Illume. Another reboot fixed this. * After several suspend-resume cycles, Enlightenment crashes with a SEGV. In normal PCs, this suggests a hardware problem (bad ram!) unless the software is really broken... It also happens w/o several suspend-resume cycles. Will investigate further and hopefully submit a bug report next time. I've now done some tests with a SIM card (T-Mobile), too: * I have trouble answering the calls. Placing calls is easy, though. * On SMS reception, the screen looks rather garbled (imho). Going to Paroli's home screen and to the messages from there is my current workaround. * The Enter PIN dialogue should be optional. I'd like to bypass this and be able to activate the SIM card sometime later. * The phonebook (People) is quite unwieldy, but that has already been noted by someone else. * Now with the card activated, the phone feels quite a bit more sluggish than before. * I need to get the buzz fix. ;} Wishlist: Being able to update to Om2009 final w/o re-flashing. I'm not overly comfortable writing to the mailing list this way, but don't have a better idea, yet. Kind regards, --Toni++ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Om2009] testing Release 3
On Wed, 20.05.2009 at 07:33:36 +0300, Risto H. Kurppa ri...@kurppa.fi wrote: On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 1:09 AM, Toni Mueller supp...@oeko.net wrote: and applying these changes: http://rafb.net/p/upcv1H10.html makes the this file seems to have vanished. The server gives me a 404. Yes, but the changes it had are included explained here: http://www.kurppa.fi/freerunner/config_files/gsmhandset.state Ok, thank you! Kind regards, --Toni++ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Om2009] testing Release 3
Hi, On Fri, 15.05.2009 at 12:53:22 +0400, Alexey Shvetsov alexx...@gmail.com wrote: You can read Cyrillic letters =) but you cannot write them. ticket already openned for it. will this work for other languages, too? Eg. Chinese comes to mind... Are you talking about this ticket? http://www.paroli-project.org/trac/ticket/138 Kind regards, --Toni++ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Om2009] testing Release 3: first impressions
Hiya, Toni Mueller wrote: Hi, I thought I'd just throw my 0.02 cents into the arena. ;} Yeah, we want it all :) Yesterday I felt bold and flashed Om2009t3 onto my phone, but neither moko11 nor the new u-boot yet, though. Playing around without a SIM card installed, I found two problems that might be cleared up reading the website(s): 1. Once in the dialer, I couldn't exit. In the wiki it says: Go to the main screen of Paroli, then press the AUX button for two seconds. But I didn't manage getting back to the main screen, and within the dialer, the AUX button didn't work. Hit the topbar (the small clock the the top of the screen) that should always get you back to the homescreen. 3. The back/delete (?) button in the dialer, right to Call, is so tiny that I didn't find out what it was until I hit it. that one is on me :( On the plus side, typing about anything is now MUCH, MUCH faster than with Om2008.12 which I had before. That's good news :) Btw we are preparing for another beta release in the next few days :) Hope you are testing that one also and let us know what you think :) Thanks again :) /mirko ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Om2009] testing Release 3
Hej, Toni Mueller wrote: Hi, On Fri, 15.05.2009 at 12:53:22 +0400, Alexey Shvetsov alexx...@gmail.com wrote: You can read Cyrillic letters =) but you cannot write them. ticket already openned for it. will this work for other languages, too? Eg. Chinese comes to mind... Yes in fact reading chinese on om2009 is already possible, I am not sure if the illume kbd handles inputting Chinese ... Are you talking about this ticket? http://www.paroli-project.org/trac/ticket/138 Yes that's the one. We are fighting it and I think we are close if not already there ;) Cheers, /mirko ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Om2009] testing Release 3
Thank you for advice? Any chance to make this behavior default for om2009 tr x? I really appreciate paroli as a main phone application but FR is more than just a phone after all :) Max. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Om2009] testing Release 3
В Вск, 10/05/2009 в 22:24 +0300, Risto H. Kurppa пишет: ¤ I/O really doesn't tell for a normal people that it's actually the call log.. ¤ Msgs could be replaced with SMS, if something short has to be used ¤ Tele also doesn't make sense, I'd suggest using 'Dialer' As far as I understood it's just a text strings. Is that possible to change them without actually re-building paroli? It would be great if I could just edit some configuration file and set something like: utf8_str_IO = Call log/Журнал utf8_str_TELE = Звонилко utf8_str_MSG = Messages thanks, Max. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Om2009] testing Release 3
Hi, Max wrote: As far as I understood it's just a text strings. Is that possible to change them without actually re-building paroli? It would be great if I could just edit some configuration file and set something like: utf8_str_IO = Call log/Журнал utf8_str_TELE = Звонилко utf8_str_MSG = Messages It is more than just those 4 app names, so a config file would not be the best way imho. I am trying to sort stuff so that we can go the get_text way for the strings in python and mabye have language file for the strings in edje. Time to help out? /mirko ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Om2009] testing Release 3: first impressions
On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 11:11 AM, Toni Mueller supp...@oeko.net wrote: Hi, I thought I'd just throw my 0.02 cents into the arena. ;} Great :) 1. Once in the dialer, I couldn't exit. In the wiki it says: Go to the main screen of Paroli, then press the AUX button for two seconds. But I didn't manage getting back to the main screen, and within the dialer, the AUX button didn't work. I agree, it's a bit difficult sometimes having the 'back' button there, sometimes having to press the top bar to exit.. 2. Instead of shutting down, pressing and holding the power button for an extended period simply powered off the device. I think this is already known and being worked on, but thought I'd mention it for completeness. Visual feedback will be added at some stage.. I hope.. 4. Booting is so awfully slow that I initially thought that the device had crashed. I've been told that you can install the package udev-static-devices to reduce the boot time by ~30s (but if you have your home on /media/disk/bind-home, it'll not work, see http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Om2009#Installing ) - stuff still under development. On the plus side, typing about anything is now MUCH, MUCH faster than with Om2008.12 which I had before. What kind of keyboard would you like to have there? I installed qwo (http://www.opkg.org/package_84.html) just to try it out - not bad :) Should try the transparent version: http://kedrigern.dcs.fmph.uniba.sk/~riso/Openmoko/qwo/ r -- | risto h. kurppa | risto at kurppa dot fi | http://risto.kurppa.fi ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Om2009] testing Release 3: first impressions
Hi, On Wed, 20.05.2009 at 04:24:33 -0400, Mirko Lindner mi...@openmoko.com wrote: Toni Mueller wrote: I thought I'd just throw my 0.02 cents into the arena. ;} Yeah, we want it all :) no problem. ;) 1. Once in the dialer, I couldn't exit. In the wiki it says: Go to the main screen of Paroli, then press the AUX button for two seconds. But I didn't manage getting back to the main screen, and within the dialer, the AUX button didn't work. Hit the topbar (the small clock the the top of the screen) that should always get you back to the homescreen. Well, I already thought as much and tried to hammer all over the screen, esp. on anything that looked remotely like a button, but also in the black in between, and on all sides of the frame, too. Nothing worked, though. Btw we are preparing for another beta release in the next few days :) Hope you are testing that one also and let us know what you think :) I'll look at the change log an then I'll probably be sold. ;} Kind regards, --Toni++ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Om2009] testing Release 3: first impressions
Hi, On Wed, 20.05.2009 at 12:26:46 +0300, Risto H. Kurppa ri...@kurppa.fi wrote: I've been told that you can install the package udev-static-devices to reduce the boot time by ~30s (but if you have your home on /media/disk/bind-home, it'll not work, see http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Om2009#Installing ) - stuff still under development. thanks for the tip. I'll take a look, although I'm going to have my home entirely on the SD card, for obvious reasons. On the plus side, typing about anything is now MUCH, MUCH faster than with Om2008.12 which I had before. What kind of keyboard would you like to have there? So far, I didn't really care much for the different keyboards, but if I can have a wish, I'd like response times like the current keyboard in Paroli gives (ie, it immediately gives results as fast as I can type), not as sluggish with 1-2 second pauses between key presses, like in Om2008.12, but something that gives me easy ways to type all characters that I'd like to have, which is *full* Unicode (or close: Latin9 and Chinese at least). On my desktop computer, I use scim for this purpose, and for other languages as well. Otherwise, I'd like to be able to zoom and shrink the keyboard. The idea of scrolling between different layouts, like in Om2008.12, is interesting and not too bad, but it's naturally impossible to accommodate all foreign language characters this way and still have a usable keyboard. Reading that wishes are not encouraged at this time, I'd probably better not hold my breath, though. I installed qwo (http://www.opkg.org/package_84.html) just to try it out - not bad :) Should try the transparent version: http://kedrigern.dcs.fmph.uniba.sk/~riso/Openmoko/qwo/ Thanks, I'll take a look at these, too. Adjustable transparency, colours and layouts are good, imho. Kind regards, --Toni++ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Om2009] testing Release 3: first impressions
Hi Toni On May 20, 2009 02:11:07 am Toni Mueller wrote: 2. Instead of shutting down, pressing and holding the power button for an extended period simply powered off the device. I think this is already known and being worked on, but thought I'd mention it for completeness. If you hold the button for less than 2 seconds it should suspend ( Is that what you mean by shutdown ? ). More than 2 seconds and it is supposed to power down. Angus ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Om2009] testing Release 3: first impressions
So far, I didn't really care much for the different keyboards, but if I can have a wish, I'd like response times like the current keyboard in Paroli gives (ie, it immediately gives results as fast as I can type), not as sluggish with 1-2 second pauses between key presses, like in Om2008.12, but something that gives me easy ways to type all characters that I'd like to have, which is *full* Unicode (or close: Latin9 and Chinese at least). On my desktop computer, I use scim for this purpose, and for other languages as well. Otherwise, I'd like to be able to zoom and shrink the keyboard. The idea of scrolling between different layouts, like in Om2008.12, is interesting and not too bad, but it's naturally impossible to accommodate all foreign language characters this way and still have a usable keyboard. UTF8 should be properly supported in the next testing release. I believe there are a few different keyboard layouts in the wiki. Reading that wishes are not encouraged at this time, I'd probably better not hold my breath, though. That has changed a bit. We are now encouraging the community to create a wish list. What we also need the community to do is implement the wish list. http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Om_2009_get_active There are some core features that OM is going to implement and then we will integrate working solutions built by the community. Angus ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Om2009] testing Release 3: first impressions
On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 4:58 PM, Angus Ainslie nyt...@openmoko.org wrote: Hi Toni On May 20, 2009 02:11:07 am Toni Mueller wrote: 2. Instead of shutting down, pressing and holding the power button for an extended period simply powered off the device. I think this is already known and being worked on, but thought I'd mention it for completeness. If you hold the button for less than 2 seconds it should suspend ( Is that what you mean by shutdown ? ). More than 2 seconds and it is supposed to power down. Should but actually there's some problems there - it always doesn't suspend.. It's more or less a known (but not fixed, I think) bug.. r -- | risto h. kurppa | risto at kurppa dot fi | http://risto.kurppa.fi ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Om2009] testing Release 3: first impressions
Reading that wishes are not encouraged at this time, I'd probably better not hold my breath, though. That has changed a bit. We are now encouraging the community to create a wish list. What we also need the community to do is implement the wish list. http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Om_2009_get_active There are some core features that OM is going to implement and then we will integrate working solutions built by the community. Angus This is great to hear Angus, that actually OM will also include some solutions from the community - I guess it means we might have a change of shipping a more complete distro, not only the very minimal, almost working stuff. Is there a possibility of shipping actual applications - if they fill your quality requirements. I'd like to see tangogps numptyphysics mokomaze included and I have no problems you setting some quality limits there for apps to pass. Way to go! r -- | risto h. kurppa | risto at kurppa dot fi | http://risto.kurppa.fi ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Om2009] testing Release 3: first impressions
On May 20, 2009 09:14:56 am Risto H. Kurppa wrote: This is great to hear Angus, that actually OM will also include some solutions from the community - I guess it means we might have a change of shipping a more complete distro, not only the very minimal, almost working stuff. Is there a possibility of shipping actual applications - if they fill your quality requirements. I'd like to see tangogps numptyphysics mokomaze included and I have no problems you setting some quality limits there for apps to pass. All of those applications are already in the feeds. At this point I don't see them as being installed by default in the image. I might make some packages like moko-games-pack that includes all of the top games or moko-mapping-pack which could include tangogps and navit with speechd stripped out. Angus ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Om2009] testing Release 3
2009/5/20 Mirko Lindner mi...@openmoko.com: Max wrote: As far as I understood it's just a text strings. Is that possible to change them without actually re-building paroli? It would be great if I could just edit some configuration file and set something like: utf8_str_IO = Call log/Журнал utf8_str_TELE = Звонилко utf8_str_MSG = Messages It is more than just those 4 app names, so a config file would not be the best way imho. I am trying to sort stuff so that we can go the get_text way for the strings in python and mabye have language file for the strings in edje. Time to help out? There are several Russian-speaking people here on this maillist and sure everyone of them can localize Paroli strings as well as do wider localization if needed. Easiest ways would be plain files with original strings pending translation, or .po files, or any other format which is read/writable on average machine without third-party software installation. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Om2009] testing Release 3
Hi, On Sun, 10.05.2009 at 23:53:48 +0300, Risto H. Kurppa ri...@kurppa.fi wrote: and applying these changes: http://rafb.net/p/upcv1H10.html makes the this file seems to have vanished. The server gives me a 404. Kind regards, --Toni++ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Om2009] testing Release 3
On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 1:09 AM, Toni Mueller supp...@oeko.net wrote: Hi, On Sun, 10.05.2009 at 23:53:48 +0300, Risto H. Kurppa ri...@kurppa.fi wrote: and applying these changes: http://rafb.net/p/upcv1H10.html makes the this file seems to have vanished. The server gives me a 404. Yes, but the changes it had are included explained here: http://www.kurppa.fi/freerunner/config_files/gsmhandset.state r -- | risto h. kurppa | risto at kurppa dot fi | http://risto.kurppa.fi ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Om2009] testing Release 3
В Срд, 13/05/2009 в 09:16 -0600, Angus Ainslie пишет: Hey I just put the lego together you should be thanking Mirko, and the FSO team. Sure guys - all kudos - that's foundation. I hope I'll be able to use all the shiny features one day. - lock and unlock screen by pressing aux button AUX button has other uses Is there a way to configure AUX usage? Not necessarily via guy - I have no problems editing configs if I have clear documentation with examples. Yes running on an SD card is no problem, and is the method I would recommend if you just want to test it, and is the same as any other distro in that regard. The instructions vary depend on what bootloader so check the wiki. I'm sorry if missed obvious part but what do I do with uSD card - should I just create single ext2 partition and untar TRx there? I already tried booting from uSD during upgrade to moko11 so this part looks pretty easy. It is unlikely that mp3 will ever be supported out of the box. What I'm looking at right now is to ship an mplayer or gstreamer frontend and you will need to install the mp3 functionality from a different distro. I'm used to same situation in ubuntu. Are there one-stop-shop solution for us patent idiocy like medibuntu.org? Luckily local laws do not have (yet?) idiotic software patents so I do not see trouble in creating local version (something like fedora's respin) one day. best regards, Max. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Om2009] testing Release 3
Hello. Speaking of gui things... Right now (with om2008.12) right after booting (which takes eons btw :) I can see many colorful icons for programs I installed with opkg (most of them useless unfortunately). One of the icons is dialer another messages and third is bookreader. As far as I understand after booting into om2009 I'll see black screen of paroli (I can wait for eye-candy stuff for another year if it'll actually start to work like a phone) which will substitute functionality of dialer and messages icons. What about third icon - like bookerader program that I'll install via opkg? Where do I see it and how to access it? How to get back to paroli? That sounds like a trivial question yet I was unable to find this info in wiki. thanks, Max. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Om2009] testing Release 3
В Срд, 13/05/2009 в 13:35 +0300, Risto H. Kurppa пишет: Is there are some packages I need to install to achieve it or some configuration tweaks needed? Replace the alsa state What ticket should I track to see when fix will be included into one of om2009 TR x? One of the most annoying problems with om2008.12 is that sound lost after resume from suspend - even ringtone is silent. Is this related to that issue? If so - how to migrate contacts db and sms message archive from om2008.12 to om2009? My guess is that you don't.. That's why I never even tried to believe these would be saved.. That's probably even more valuable than phone itself. How do I export sms messages and contacts (both from phone and sim card) with both English and Cyrillic letters and phone numbers in international format from om2008.12 to some place e. g. onto my pc? How do I import this data back to om2009 TR3? best regards, Max. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Om2009] testing Release 3
On Fri, May 15, 2009 at 11:14 AM, Max m...@darim.com wrote: Hello. Speaking of gui things... Right now (with om2008.12) right after booting (which takes eons btw :) I can see many colorful icons for programs I installed with opkg (most of them useless unfortunately). One of the icons is dialer another messages and third is bookreader. As far as I understand after booting into om2009 I'll see black screen of paroli (I can wait for eye-candy stuff for another year if it'll Press AUX for 2 sec to get to settings menu. There go to 'Display' and change 'profile' to 'illume' and you'll get to top bar youäve used to and now Paroli is just like any other program. Or from command line: run DISPLAY=:0 mdbus org.enlightenment.wm.service /org/enlightenment/wm/RemoteObject org.enlightenment.wm.Profile.Set illume (that's a single command) r -- | risto h. kurppa | risto at kurppa dot fi | http://risto.kurppa.fi ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Om2009] testing Release 3
On Fri, May 15, 2009 at 11:20 AM, Max m...@darim.com wrote: В Срд, 13/05/2009 в 13:35 +0300, Risto H. Kurppa пишет: Is there are some packages I need to install to achieve it or some configuration tweaks needed? Replace the alsa state What ticket should I track to see when fix will be included into one of om2009 TR x? One of the most annoying problems with om2008.12 is that sound lost after resume from suspend - even ringtone is silent. Is this related to that issue? My guess is that it'll be fixed in the next testing release (heard that Angus fixed it). SMS/number import stuff: No idea. r -- | risto h. kurppa | risto at kurppa dot fi | http://risto.kurppa.fi ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Om2009] testing Release 3
On Пятница 15 мая 2009 12:20:32 Max wrote: That's probably even more valuable than phone itself. How do I export sms messages and contacts (both from phone and sim card) with both English and Cyrillic letters and phone numbers in international format from om2008.12 to some place e. g. onto my pc? How do I import this data back to om2009 TR3? best regards, Max. You can read Cyrillic letters =) but you cannot write them. ticket already openned for it. -- Alexey 'Alexxy' Shvetsov Gentoo Team Ru signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Om2009] testing Release 3
В Птн, 15/05/2009 в 12:53 +0400, Alexey Shvetsov пишет: You can read Cyrillic letters =) but you cannot write them. ticket already openned for it. Would you point me to link so I can watch for bug status and know exactly when om2009 ready for real-life testing? best regards, Max. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Om2009] testing Release 3
Hej, Would you point me to link so I can watch for bug status and know exactly when om2009 ready for real-life testing? There is basically 2 places: the paroli trac: http://www.paroli-project.org/trac/ and the om main trac: https://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ Hope those help, the channel paroli on irc might also be a good place :) /mirko ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Om2009] testing Release 3
On Friday 15 May 2009, Max wrote: В Срд, 13/05/2009 в 13:35 +0300, Risto H. Kurppa пишет: If so - how to migrate contacts db and sms message archive from om2008.12 to om2009? My guess is that you don't.. That's why I never even tried to believe these would be saved.. That's probably even more valuable than phone itself. How do I export sms messages and contacts (both from phone and sim card) with both English and Cyrillic letters and phone numbers in international format from om2008.12 to some place e. g. onto my pc? How do I import this data back to om2009 TR3? om2008.x stores messages and contacts in sqlite IIRC. Copy ~/Applications/Qtopia/qtopia_db.sqlite to back them up. I don't know of an app that'll import this into paroli, or if the contact and message handling in paroli is sufficiently featured to make it worth doing yet. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Om2009] testing Release 3
First of all thank you for hard work Angus. I'd love to test om2009 but there are several questions I have to clarify before. The problem is that right now I have to use om2008.12 as my daily phone (this experience brings new depth into definition of annoyingly crappy software but that's not the point). So before switching to om2009 TR3 I need to make sure that there are no regressions which would make my life with FR even worse (it's hard to imagine but it's possible). The very essential things I expect from om-whatever are: - send and receive calls to\from phones in international format e. g. starting with + like +790934534... - read and create contacts both in English and Russian from both sim card and internal db - send and receive sms both in English and Russian - lock and unlock screen by pressing aux button I guess it's pretty common expectations and it sometimes work somehow with om2008.12 So my question is - are above mentioned features available on om2009 TR3 out-of-the-box? Is there are some packages I need to install to achieve it or some configuration tweaks needed? If so - how to migrate contacts db and sms message archive from om2008.12 to om2009? As far as I understood it's recommended to flash om2009. Is it possible to use sd instead? If so - where can I find instructions on how to do it with om2009 TR3? Going a bit further, is there plan to start supporting normal upgrade via something like opkg upgrade since om2009 TR x? There are also certain features lacking in om2008.12 which I'm really looking forward to see in om2009 in addition to basics mentioned above: - correctly receive call\sms in suspend mode e. g. wake up and work - alarm clock working in suspend mode - wi-fi with wpa2 working out-of-the-box - some media player supporting ogg and mp3 It's not clear (maybe I miss something - feel free to point me to appropriate info) if it is in om2009 TR 3. Any help would be greatly appreciated. best regards, Max. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Om2009] testing Release 3
On Wed, May 13, 2009 at 1:18 PM, Max m...@darim.com wrote: So before switching to om2009 TR3 I need to make sure that there are no regressions which would make my life with FR even worse (it's hard to imagine but it's possible). You have to have a system easily flashable.. That's why I built Kustomizer for 2008.12 - I always can go back to a working system with not much hassle.. The very essential things I expect from om-whatever are: - send and receive calls to\from phones in international format e. g. starting with + like +790934534... I think it's fixed now - read and create contacts both in English and Russian from both sim card and internal db Don't know about cyrillic characters but I think it reads both internal sim - send and receive sms both in English and Russian Cyrillic, don't know. - lock and unlock screen by pressing aux button No, doesn't happen yet. So my question is - are above mentioned features available on om2009 TR3 out-of-the-box? No Is there are some packages I need to install to achieve it or some configuration tweaks needed? Replace the alsa state If so - how to migrate contacts db and sms message archive from om2008.12 to om2009? My guess is that you don't.. That's why I never even tried to believe these would be saved.. - wi-fi with wpa2 working out-of-the-box AFAIK OM2009t3 should do this r -- | risto h. kurppa | risto at kurppa dot fi | http://risto.kurppa.fi ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Om2009] testing Release 3
Hi Max Thanks Risto for answering some of these. On May 13, 2009 04:18:47 am Max wrote: First of all thank you for hard work Angus. Hey I just put the lego together you should be thanking Mirko, and the FSO team. The very essential things I expect from om-whatever are: - send and receive calls to\from phones in international format e. g. starting with + like +790934534... - read and create contacts both in English and Russian from both sim card and internal db - send and receive sms both in English and Russian This should be fixed in the unstable feed. To get it you will need to install Om2009 and the bring that package in from unstable or wait for TR4 - lock and unlock screen by pressing aux button AUX button has other uses I guess it's pretty common expectations and it sometimes work somehow with om2008.12 So my question is - are above mentioned features available on om2009 TR3 out-of-the-box? Not yet Is there are some packages I need to install to achieve it or some configuration tweaks needed? If so - how to migrate contacts db and sms message archive from om2008.12 to om2009? As far as I understood it's recommended to flash om2009. Is it possible to use sd instead? If so - where can I find instructions on how to do it with om2009 TR3? Yes running on an SD card is no problem, and is the method I would recommend if you just want to test it, and is the same as any other distro in that regard. The instructions vary depend on what bootloader so check the wiki. Going a bit further, is there plan to start supporting normal upgrade via something like opkg upgrade since om2009 TR x? Upgrades should start working before we get to release but there are a couple of minor bugs that need working out first. If those aren't resloved before release I will try to provide an upgrade script that will do the right thing were opkg can't There are also certain features lacking in om2008.12 which I'm really looking forward to see in om2009 in addition to basics mentioned above: - correctly receive call\sms in suspend mode e. g. wake up and work Part of that with any distro is to make sure you have the modem flashed to moko11 - alarm clock working in suspend mode - wi-fi with wpa2 working out-of-the-box - some media player supporting ogg and mp3 It is unlikely that mp3 will ever be supported out of the box. What I'm looking at right now is to ship an mplayer or gstreamer frontend and you will need to install the mp3 functionality from a different distro. It's not clear (maybe I miss something - feel free to point me to appropriate info) if it is in om2009 TR 3. Om2009 is pretty fluid right now but I'm trying to keep it's page uptodate http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Om2009 Angus ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Om2009] testing Release 3
Hi all, I thought I'd share my experiences so far with the testing release. I've been using QT Extended 4.4.3 as my primary phone for more than 6 months now, but I decided to try putting the OM2009 TR3 build on my SD card to give it a shot. I've only done minimal testing so far - I've been able to successfully make and receive a phone call, and the first sms I sent work, however the second one seemed to hang while saying 'sending' for quite a while. I was very happy to see that receiving a phone call while suspended woke up about as quickly as QtE 4.4.3, so I was able to easily answer the call - unlike my experience with OM 2008. However, I'd have to say that coming from QT Extended, the paroli user experience requires a *lot* of work - enough that my first thought was that my install didn't work. I saw a black screen with white text showing the time and date at the top, and 4 lines with I/O (or 1/0 - I can't tell for sure), People, Tele and Msgs on it. On each of the following pages there's no real indication what to do. The first thing I did was click on the I/O page, and saw a blank page with an edit button at the top that seemed to do nothing.Then I tried to figure out how to get back to the main page... Took me a lot of random clicking to figure out that clicking on the date at the top takes you back to the home page. The Tele page is a little more intuitive, but again, it wasn't obvious to me that the text 'Call' near the top was an actual button. I found the msgs page very confusing. I did figure out fairly quickly that '+' tries to send a new message - and I was able to send a message and get a reply.I do actually like the IM like display showing the messages back and forth. However, I couldn't really figure out what to do to send a new message to the existing conversation. I got into a mode where it seemed to be letting me edit the sms message I had just recieved, but couldn't figure out how to just reply. It seems like OM2009 has addressed the technical problems that encouraged me to switch to QtE originally - but I must admit that unless the user experience is *substantially* improved, I doubt I'll be switching off QtE. Is there work ongoing in terms of producing a better user experience for OM2009? I'd love to contribute. I don't have piles of spare time, but I've done a bunch of python coding, am pretty good with the gimp, and worked with a Ph.D in user experience for long enough to have half a clue about user interface design. Warren On Wed, May 13, 2009 at 11:16 AM, Angus Ainslie nyt...@openmoko.org wrote: Hi Max Thanks Risto for answering some of these. On May 13, 2009 04:18:47 am Max wrote: First of all thank you for hard work Angus. Hey I just put the lego together you should be thanking Mirko, and the FSO team. The very essential things I expect from om-whatever are: - send and receive calls to\from phones in international format e. g. starting with + like +790934534... - read and create contacts both in English and Russian from both sim card and internal db - send and receive sms both in English and Russian This should be fixed in the unstable feed. To get it you will need to install Om2009 and the bring that package in from unstable or wait for TR4 - lock and unlock screen by pressing aux button AUX button has other uses I guess it's pretty common expectations and it sometimes work somehow with om2008.12 So my question is - are above mentioned features available on om2009 TR3 out-of-the-box? Not yet Is there are some packages I need to install to achieve it or some configuration tweaks needed? If so - how to migrate contacts db and sms message archive from om2008.12 to om2009? As far as I understood it's recommended to flash om2009. Is it possible to use sd instead? If so - where can I find instructions on how to do it with om2009 TR3? Yes running on an SD card is no problem, and is the method I would recommend if you just want to test it, and is the same as any other distro in that regard. The instructions vary depend on what bootloader so check the wiki. Going a bit further, is there plan to start supporting normal upgrade via something like opkg upgrade since om2009 TR x? Upgrades should start working before we get to release but there are a couple of minor bugs that need working out first. If those aren't resloved before release I will try to provide an upgrade script that will do the right thing were opkg can't There are also certain features lacking in om2008.12 which I'm really looking forward to see in om2009 in addition to basics mentioned above: - correctly receive call\sms in suspend mode e. g. wake up and work Part of that with any distro is to make sure you have the modem flashed to moko11 - alarm clock working in suspend mode - wi-fi with wpa2 working out-of-the-box - some media player supporting ogg and mp3 It is unlikely that
Re: [Om2009] testing Release 3
Hi, Warren Baird wrote: Hi all, I thought I'd share my experiences so far with the testing release. I've been using QT Extended 4.4.3 as my primary phone for more than 6 months now, but I decided to try putting the OM2009 TR3 build on my SD card to give it a shot. Great and thx for sharing. Is there work ongoing in terms of producing a better user experience for OM2009? I'd love to contribute. I don't have piles of spare time, but I've done a bunch of python coding, am pretty good with the gimp, and worked with a Ph.D in user experience for long enough to have half a clue about user interface design. There certainly is work going on and any input is appreciated. I think there are certainly areas for improvement and we should certainly address those. Python knowledge is also always welcome :) I will need some time to compile a list of areas where to improve the UI design wise, maybe a paroli-ui wiki page to complement the current: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Paroli-issues that was created. So yeah, om2009 and paroli development as well as optimization are ongoing and need some love to quote from this thread :) /mirko ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Om2009] testing Release 3
On Wed, May 13, 2009 at 8:56 PM, Warren Baird photogeek...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, I thought I'd share my experiences so far with the testing release. I've been using QT Extended 4.4.3 as my primary phone for more than 6 months now, but I decided to try putting the OM2009 TR3 build on my SD card to give it a shot. I've only done minimal testing so far - I've been able to successfully make and receive a phone call, and the first sms I sent work, however the second one seemed to hang while saying 'sending' for quite a while. I was very happy to see that receiving a phone call while suspended woke up about as quickly as QtE 4.4.3, so I was able to easily answer the call - unlike my experience with OM 2008. However, I'd have to say that coming from QT Extended, the paroli user experience requires a *lot* of work - enough that my first thought was that my install didn't work. I saw a black screen with white text showing the time and date at the top, and 4 lines with I/O (or 1/0 - I can't tell for sure), People, Tele and Msgs on it. On each of the following pages there's no real indication what to do. The first thing I did was click on the I/O page, and saw a blank page with an edit button at the top that seemed to do nothing. Then I tried to figure out how to get back to the main page... Took me a lot of random clicking to figure out that clicking on the date at the top takes you back to the home page. The Tele page is a little more intuitive, but again, it wasn't obvious to me that the text 'Call' near the top was an actual button. I found the msgs page very confusing. I did figure out fairly quickly that '+' tries to send a new message - and I was able to send a message and get a reply. I do actually like the IM like display showing the messages back and forth. However, I couldn't really figure out what to do to send a new message to the existing conversation. I got into a mode where it seemed to be letting me edit the sms message I had just recieved, but couldn't figure out how to just reply. It seems like OM2009 has addressed the technical problems that encouraged me to switch to QtE originally - but I must admit that unless the user experience is *substantially* improved, I doubt I'll be switching off QtE. Is there work ongoing in terms of producing a better user experience for OM2009? I'd love to contribute. I don't have piles of spare time, but I've done a bunch of python coding, am pretty good with the gimp, and worked with a Ph.D in user experience for long enough to have half a clue about user interface design. Warren Hi Warren! I just couldn't agree more with your comments! I wrote a message about my remarks of the Paroli GUI here: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2009-May/047818.html - but no answers so far. I'd really like to know the thinking behind Paroli GUI and know how to contribute and so on. So by all means, I too want to welcome you to work on Paroli. I don't know what are the changes to be able to work on the GUI but it's always worth trying, and I especially respect that you are a professional in this field and OM should work hard to make people like you to contribute and stay around and not go away. So make sure you're not forgotten. An easy way to join is to come to #paroli IRC -channel. If you have time skills some kind of analysis of the UI would be great. Enjoy your freedom! r ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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On Mon, May 11, 2009 at 8:00 AM, Angus Ainslie nyt...@openmoko.org wrote: On Sun, 2009-05-10 at 22:24 +0300, Risto H. Kurppa wrote: - some mess sometimes in the top of the screen Yup, please add it to the bug tracker I'm a bit unsure about this, I reflashed and wasn't able to see it.. I'll leave it unreported for now. - resume doesn't turn on the screen lights - one knows it's resumed only by touching the screen please add this too. https://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/2286 - Slow boot time (over 4min with Qi?) My tests only show a 10 second difference between qi and u-boot, I will start working on this soon. I was trying to get it stable before I started to optimize I compared it to 2008.12. I don't have any data here but as far as I remember it's something like 2-3mins? - the alsastatefile (kurppa.fi/freerunner/temp/gsmhandset.state_2009t3 with Right PGA on control.63) is different from the latest 'working one' (with mic2) at http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/raw-attachment/ticket/2121/gsmhandset.state.new Oops that was supposed to be in this release I'll see what happened tomorrow. great, thanks! ¤ Is there a way to enable illume from command line? mdbus org.enlightenment.wm.service /org/enlightenment/wm/RemoteObject org.enlightenment.wm.[List|Set] can't find it..? mdbus -s didn't show me org.enlightenment at all.. and mdbus just tells me 'Service name not found'. Is there any extra packages required for this or something? ¤ At some stage my FR just decided not to resume any more Please send a log Reflashed, but if this happens again, I'll try to see if I can find something.. ¤ After the 10min call the UI died, I wasn't able to press any buttons, nothing happened. Then after waiting some minutes it started running again. Still the top left shows '100' instead of default or silent.. A log would be helpful here too Reflashed, but if this happens again, I'll try to see if I can find something.. r -- | risto h. kurppa | risto at kurppa dot fi | http://risto.kurppa.fi ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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Hi, thanks for the kind words and the list of issues. We are trying to get all of them reproduced, so that I can hunt them down :) If you can reproduce the freezing issues or where the UI crashed, it would be great if you could open a ticket on http://www.paroli-project.org/trac and attach the paroli log and the fso log (/var/log/paroli.log and /var/log/frameworkd.log). Risto H. Kurppa wrote: Hi! Thanks for this new release, really happy to see that only a short time (a week?) after the previous there's already a new release with bugs fixed. Release early, release often, as they say :) I wrote some points below to show what's good, what I concider as bug/problem and points to discuss/wishlist/something. I'm sure some of it has already been discussed, some of it is just me not knowing how to use it (which can mean that it's not easy to use or a manual/something is needed) and so on. I'm happy to receive comments! + This actually makes FR a simple, very working phone!! (I actually got a 10 min call from my mum. In the end I asked and she said there's a small echo left) + ability to turn off PIN check change pin! (I think it's the first distro that can do it :) + WLAN-tool + manual suspend + decent resume speed - some mess sometimes in the top of the scree - The button to 'go back / go to previous screen' keeps changing: In the menu there's a 'back' button (different size in different views) but in the people etc one has to know to press the top bar to go back. - Empty I/O shows an 'edit' button.. maybe it should be hidden and instead a text 'no logged events' could be shown? good idea added to my list - keylock missing think angus tried to find a suitable tool ¤ Would it be possible to add a SMS button in the 'People' - contact view. Now clicking the number calls the user (intuitive? Why clicking the name nothing happens?). Maybe adding 'dial' and 'SMS' -buttons there just to make it clear. The entries in people, messages and i/o should all be slidable (odd spelling) to the right and show you an extra action, for people this is a msgs button. unfortunately it seems to be not working for people, but in the other lists it seems ok. - If one by accidentally presses 'Enter in the PIN input view, it just accepts it and doesn't ask for PIN again. It does not return if you enter a wrong PIN? - wlan scan doesn't have a progress bar telling it's actually doing something I am bound to what connman provides me. I don't get any progress sadly. Should Paroli block any action until it found a network (which can be bad in case there is none)? Or should it block until the scan is done (I believe there is a signal from connman when it completed a scan)? - resume doesn't turn on the screen lights - one knows it's resumed only by touching the screen Will try to hook into the signal and set the back-light to 70. - GPRS settings: if one by accident clicks 'username', 'APN', or 'password' instead of Connect, one actually has to re-type it because the 'back' button doesn't work. On it. - There's nothing (no text/button) telling one should click in the black area to get to phonebook to select recipient in 'msgs' - '+' or 'Tele' Should it get a grey fill when no number is entered? Or an icon? - Slow boot time (over 4min with Qi?) - the alsastatefile (kurppa.fi/freerunner/temp/gsmhandset.state_2009t3 with Right PGA on control.63) is different from the latest 'working one' (with mic2) at http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/raw-attachment/ticket/2121/gsmhandset.state.new ¤ How to connect to a hidden WLAN network? How about encryptions? WPA,WEP and WPA2 should be handled correctly. This should also cover 90% of all cases. I would love to have a more complete interface for wifi, but am afraid I won't have the time. If there is anyone who wants to adopt the whole wifi settings part (is only one py file) let me know and I'll get him/her git access along with all the help I can provide. Any care-taker? The same goes for any settings option you want to work on. It should be fairly easy to get into that part of paroli and a good way to get into the rest as well ;) ¤ The numbers in the home view showing missed calls or received messages could be bigger/colorful/something or even say 'one missed call' or 'new SMS received' ¤ At some stage I saw the : in the time blinking, then it stopped. I think it either should blink or not but not keep changing what it does (without telling me what does it mean :) Sorry, that is the old way of setting the time and alarm. I will disable that. ¤ Is there a way to enable illume from command line? Angus answered that I believe, but why not use the setting in Display - profile in paroli settings? ¤ Icon that's shown before GSM network registration doesn't tell me anything. What does it actually represent? It is supposed to mean not connected ;) ¤ The only place where I was able to find colors was the
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- SMS: When viewing a message, one doesn't see the name of the sender but the phone number (also when the number is saved in the phone memory) - MISC: when not in fullscreen mode (=illume enabled), one can't see the used profile in the home view ¤ SIM: An option to save messages/numbers to SIM would be awesome when testing stuff.. I keep losing SMS:s I've received. But it's the life of a beta tester, I guess :) ¤ SMS: Writing an SMS that's longer than one line makes the first line disappear from the screen when one writes the second line. Unnecessary and annoying. ¤ SMS: When viewing a message, one can click on the sender number and type a new number. Is this to forward the message? I take it's not possible yet to edit a received message before forwarding? ¤ SMS: There's no character count in SMS view ¤ PROFILES: having the 'silent' profile on I received a SMS and got audible alert. Shouldn't happen, I guess. When I have 'silent' profile selected, going to settings - phone shows me 'default' profile selected. see http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/0089ddba2f209e1bf6b8bc0f3c2279f2.png After the screenshot I changed the profile from the setting menu (default - silent) and this is the log for that: 2009-05-11 23:03:27,789 Launcher INFO profile display changed to silent 2009-05-11 23:03:27,999 Launcher INFO profile display changed to silent 2009-05-11 23:03:28,109 Launcher INFO current: default new: silent 2009-05-11 23:03:36,426 settings-service INFO current index: 0 2009-05-11 23:03:36,435 settings-service INFO new value: silent 2009-05-11 23:03:37,114 Launcher INFO profile display changed to silent 2009-05-11 23:03:37,339 Launcher INFO profile display changed to silent 2009-05-11 23:03:37,445 gui DEBUGlist sorting 2009-05-11 23:03:39,039 gui INFO renewing callbacks 2009-05-11 23:03:39,049 settings-service INFO profile set to silent ie. the profile item doesn't seem to follow the AUX changer but it works the vice versa. Some more comments inline below: On Mon, May 11, 2009 at 11:05 AM, Mirko Lindner mi...@openmoko.com wrote: - If one by accidentally presses 'Enter in the PIN input view, it just accepts it and doesn't ask for PIN again. It does not return if you enter a wrong PIN? No, I don't think it does. I now disabled PIN and restarted and I get no PIN question.. (or did I.. I don't think I did..). So now the menu says 'PIN on' but it doesn't ask for the PIN when starting. On a start or two later it asks for the pin. I presses 'Enter' and got the message 'can't init service GSM: org.freesmartphone.GSM.Network.Unauthoriz(and then it run out of the screen..) and OK button.After this I also got the messages from GPRS and TopBar, Audio, SIM SMS failing (because GPRS GSM are down) logs here: http://pastebin.com/m37d37110 but anyway, it didn't ask again for the PIN after pressing 'enter'. So I'd suggest checking for empty PIN when pressing Enter and if that's the case, just ask it again (or at least suppress the ~7 error messages?) - wlan scan doesn't have a progress bar telling it's actually doing something I am bound to what connman provides me. I don't get any progress sadly. Should Paroli block any action until it found a network (which can be bad in case there is none)? Or should it block until the scan is done (I believe there is a signal from connman when it completed a scan)? Hmm.. Maybe a text 'scanning' until connman sends the 'completed' -signal? - There's nothing (no text/button) telling one should click in the black area to get to phonebook to select recipient in 'msgs' - '+' or 'Tele' Should it get a grey fill when no number is entered? Or an icon? Something is needed. I'm not an GUI expert.. Could your UI designed had a look at this? ¤ How to connect to a hidden WLAN network? How about encryptions? WPA,WEP and WPA2 should be handled correctly. This should also cover 90% of all cases. I would love to have a more complete interface for wifi, but am afraid I won't have the time. If there is anyone who wants to adopt the whole wifi settings part (is only one py file) let me know and I'll get him/her git access along with all the help I can provide. Right, it's cool if all visible networks are handled correctly. Support for hidden is extra but not the first priority.. ¤ Is there a way to enable illume from command line? Angus answered that I believe, but why not use the setting in Display - profile in paroli settings? I'm working on a script (Kustomizer for OM2009) to be able to set up FR as a complete package, not only simple Paroli-phone. See http://etherpad.com/zt3x1x7ERX ¤ With hundreds of phone numbers it'd be great to be able to type at least the first letter, or two-three to be able to find the Agreed search function would be nice...no sure how to implement that. A button with text 'search' that would launch the keyboard and typing would straight jump to name in the list that has matching
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2009/5/9 Angus Ainslie nyt...@openmoko.org: Hi, Another week of hard work brings a new testing image, lets hear it for the kernel, paroli and freesmartphone.org teams. As always it still has some issues ( that we are still working on ) Some issues important IMHO for daily use: *) when the display dims, touching it to reactivate results in an unwanted click event (shr handles this very well) *) no lock *) the infamous 1 pixel logout illume panel Others: *) random pixel at top of screen and around push buttons *) If there is no SIM you get 6 messages about failed services (GSM,GPRS,Audio etc.) they should collapse in a single no sim present message *) long time operations should be handled with some ui feedbacks (e.g. display profile switch/the initial paroli setup/wifi scan) *) it would be nice to have sound ticks when interacting with the UI *) device should not suspend when connected to usb cable *) if paroli has a subwindow opened (e.g. dialer) holding aux does not show settings A suggestion: switching to the illume display profile only to start applications seems excessive to me, you have two clocks, two battery indicators and less space on the screen, it would be nice to use the AUX button in a smarter way, to lock device, switch to illume launcher or other X applications, show settings and so on. The last (already asked), I'd like to bitbake and test other applications and prefer to stay aligned with om2009, so may you provide build instructions? Regards Nicola ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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Thanks Risto, I just finished my review on Sunday and made many of the same points. The good news is that (after the long boot) it was very usable as a phone. There were of course some annoyances and somethings in the IU paradigm that took some getting use to Risto H. Kurppa wrote: Hi! Thanks for this new release, really happy to see that only a short time (a week?) after the previous there's already a new release with bugs fixed. Release early, release often, as they say :) I wrote some points below to show what's good, what I concider as bug/problem and points to discuss/wishlist/something. I'm sure some of it has already been discussed, some of it is just me not knowing how to use it (which can mean that it's not easy to use or a manual/something is needed) and so on. I'm happy to receive comments! + This actually makes FR a simple, very working phone!! (I actually got a 10 min call from my mum. In the end I asked and she said there's a small echo left) + ability to turn off PIN check change pin! (I think it's the first distro that can do it :) + WLAN-tool + manual suspend + decent resume speed - some mess sometimes in the top of the screen - The button to 'go back / go to previous screen' keeps changing: In the menu there's a 'back' button (different size in different views) but in the people etc one has to know to press the top bar to go back. - Empty I/O shows an 'edit' button.. maybe it should be hidden and instead a text 'no logged events' could be shown? - keylock missing ¤ Would it be possible to add a SMS button in the 'People' - contact view. Now clicking the number calls the user (intuitive? Why clicking the name nothing happens?). Maybe adding 'dial' and 'SMS' -buttons there just to make it clear. - If one by accidentally presses 'Enter in the PIN input view, it just accepts it and doesn't ask for PIN again. - wlan scan doesn't have a progress bar telling it's actually doing something - resume doesn't turn on the screen lights - one knows it's resumed only by touching the screen - GPRS settings: if one by accident clicks 'username', 'APN', or 'password' instead of Connect, one actually has to re-type it because the 'back' button doesn't work. - There's nothing (no text/button) telling one should click in the black area to get to phonebook to select recipient in 'msgs' - '+' or 'Tele' - Slow boot time (over 4min with Qi?) - the alsastatefile (kurppa.fi/freerunner/temp/gsmhandset.state_2009t3 with Right PGA on control.63) is different from the latest 'working one' (with mic2) at http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/raw-attachment/ticket/2121/gsmhandset.state.new ¤ How to connect to a hidden WLAN network? How about encryptions? ¤ The numbers in the home view showing missed calls or received messages could be bigger/colorful/something or even say 'one missed call' or 'new SMS received' ¤ At some stage I saw the : in the time blinking, then it stopped. I think it either should blink or not but not keep changing what it does (without telling me what does it mean :) ¤ Is there a way to enable illume from command line? ¤ Icon that's shown before GSM network registration doesn't tell me anything. What does it actually represent? ¤ The only place where I was able to find colors was the yellow flash in the battery icon when recharging. Using colors in other places too would maybe do it easier to use? ¤ With hundreds of phone numbers it'd be great to be able to type at least the first letter, or two-three to be able to find the ¤ I got many 'can't init topbar/wlan/...' -messages telling that something failed (only on the first start) ¤ The date doesn't need the | -bars in the home view: it's | Sunday, May 10, 2009 |- the bars just make it more difficult to read ¤ Does paroli (already / in the future?) support icons in the menus? Either so that there would be a icon grid or like now but every line would have a small icon just to make it easier to use ¤ GPRS settings: Should the password be hidden? (I don't know if anyone is really interested in GPRS passwords..) ¤ GPRS settings: maybe APN should be 'internet' by default, I think it's the most common APN? ¤ GPRS settings: I'd recommend reordering the items so that the connect would be first or last in the list. ¤ I/O really doesn't tell for a normal people that it's actually the call log.. ¤ Msgs could be replaced with SMS, if something short has to be used ¤ Tele also doesn't make sense, I'd suggest using 'Dialer' ¤ How do I use the alarm? How do I change the time when to alert? ¤ Maybe also reordering the main menu so that the phone log would not be the first one? ¤ At some stage my FR just decided not to resume any more ¤ After the 10min call the UI died, I wasn't able to press any buttons, nothing happened. Then after waiting some minutes it started running again. Still the top left shows '100' instead of default or silent.. So overall, concidering that
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Johny Tenfinger wrote: On Sat, May 9, 2009 at 22:18, Hans Zimmerman h...@everlasting.be wrote: My update sequence showed some errors. Actions executed: opkg remove -force-depends frameworkd paroli opkg update opkg upgrade opkg install frameworkd paroli - paroli did not install because of conflict with the file /usr/share/elementary/themes/default.edj with elementary-themes opkg remove elementary-themes -recursive opkg install paroli opkg install paroli-autostart paroli-sounds - paroli did not want to start because of missing dependency opkg install python-elementary - paroli starts, waiting for someone to call me on saterday night :) opkg remove elementary-themes -recursive was really wrong!!! You should use -force-depends... -force-depends makes warnings out of errors regarding dependency checks. I'm personally against overruling errors. If the systems says there is an error there is an error, if it should be a warning, it should say it's a warning. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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Angus Ainslie wrote: On Sat, 2009-05-09 at 22:18 +0200, Hans Zimmerman wrote: My update sequence showed some errors. Actions executed: opkg remove -force-depends frameworkd paroli opkg update opkg upgrade opkg install frameworkd paroli - paroli did not install because of conflict with the file /usr/share/elementary/themes/default.edj with elementary-themes opkg remove elementary-themes -recursive This was the wrong way to solve it. You should have done opkg install -force-overwrite paroli opkg files elementary-themes listed the file as being part of this package. Would -force-overwrite remove this reference aswell or would both paroli and elementary-themes reference this file as being part of the packages? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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On Sun, May 10, 2009 at 09:31, Hans Zimmerman h...@everlasting.be wrote: -force-depends makes warnings out of errors regarding dependency checks. I'm personally against overruling errors. If the systems says there is an error there is an error, if it should be a warning, it should say it's a warning. You are correct. But you are also wrong ;) Don't forget we are talking about such crap, which opkg is. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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Johny Tenfinger wrote: On Sun, May 10, 2009 at 09:31, Hans Zimmerman h...@everlasting.be wrote: -force-depends makes warnings out of errors regarding dependency checks. I'm personally against overruling errors. If the systems says there is an error there is an error, if it should be a warning, it should say it's a warning. You are correct. But you are also wrong ;) Don't forget we are talking about such crap, which opkg is. lol, I'm not judging how crappy opkg is, it's probably working as designed :p ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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On Воскресенье 10 мая 2009 09:14:59 Angus Ainslie wrote: On Sun, 2009-05-10 at 00:49 +0400, Alexey Shvetsov wrote: On Суббота 09 мая 2009 17:36:55 Angus Ainslie wrote: New feature's in the FSO framework - Configurable ntp server - Automatic time setting ( requires GPS or network connection ) - Automatic timezones for mutlizone countries This dont works =( At least for me What didn't work ? Did you have a network connection ? Can you provide a log ? http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Om_2009#Debugging_and_Bug_Reporting Its here http://trac.freesmartphone.org/attachment/ticket/337/ Problem is that its trying to assign first timezone available for countrycode -- Alexey 'Alexxy' Shvetsov Gentoo Team Ru signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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Hi! Thanks for this new release, really happy to see that only a short time (a week?) after the previous there's already a new release with bugs fixed. Release early, release often, as they say :) I wrote some points below to show what's good, what I concider as bug/problem and points to discuss/wishlist/something. I'm sure some of it has already been discussed, some of it is just me not knowing how to use it (which can mean that it's not easy to use or a manual/something is needed) and so on. I'm happy to receive comments! + This actually makes FR a simple, very working phone!! (I actually got a 10 min call from my mum. In the end I asked and she said there's a small echo left) + ability to turn off PIN check change pin! (I think it's the first distro that can do it :) + WLAN-tool + manual suspend + decent resume speed - some mess sometimes in the top of the screen - The button to 'go back / go to previous screen' keeps changing: In the menu there's a 'back' button (different size in different views) but in the people etc one has to know to press the top bar to go back. - Empty I/O shows an 'edit' button.. maybe it should be hidden and instead a text 'no logged events' could be shown? - keylock missing ¤ Would it be possible to add a SMS button in the 'People' - contact view. Now clicking the number calls the user (intuitive? Why clicking the name nothing happens?). Maybe adding 'dial' and 'SMS' -buttons there just to make it clear. - If one by accidentally presses 'Enter in the PIN input view, it just accepts it and doesn't ask for PIN again. - wlan scan doesn't have a progress bar telling it's actually doing something - resume doesn't turn on the screen lights - one knows it's resumed only by touching the screen - GPRS settings: if one by accident clicks 'username', 'APN', or 'password' instead of Connect, one actually has to re-type it because the 'back' button doesn't work. - There's nothing (no text/button) telling one should click in the black area to get to phonebook to select recipient in 'msgs' - '+' or 'Tele' - Slow boot time (over 4min with Qi?) - the alsastatefile (kurppa.fi/freerunner/temp/gsmhandset.state_2009t3 with Right PGA on control.63) is different from the latest 'working one' (with mic2) at http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/raw-attachment/ticket/2121/gsmhandset.state.new ¤ How to connect to a hidden WLAN network? How about encryptions? ¤ The numbers in the home view showing missed calls or received messages could be bigger/colorful/something or even say 'one missed call' or 'new SMS received' ¤ At some stage I saw the : in the time blinking, then it stopped. I think it either should blink or not but not keep changing what it does (without telling me what does it mean :) ¤ Is there a way to enable illume from command line? ¤ Icon that's shown before GSM network registration doesn't tell me anything. What does it actually represent? ¤ The only place where I was able to find colors was the yellow flash in the battery icon when recharging. Using colors in other places too would maybe do it easier to use? ¤ With hundreds of phone numbers it'd be great to be able to type at least the first letter, or two-three to be able to find the ¤ I got many 'can't init topbar/wlan/...' -messages telling that something failed (only on the first start) ¤ The date doesn't need the | -bars in the home view: it's | Sunday, May 10, 2009 |- the bars just make it more difficult to read ¤ Does paroli (already / in the future?) support icons in the menus? Either so that there would be a icon grid or like now but every line would have a small icon just to make it easier to use ¤ GPRS settings: Should the password be hidden? (I don't know if anyone is really interested in GPRS passwords..) ¤ GPRS settings: maybe APN should be 'internet' by default, I think it's the most common APN? ¤ GPRS settings: I'd recommend reordering the items so that the connect would be first or last in the list. ¤ I/O really doesn't tell for a normal people that it's actually the call log.. ¤ Msgs could be replaced with SMS, if something short has to be used ¤ Tele also doesn't make sense, I'd suggest using 'Dialer' ¤ How do I use the alarm? How do I change the time when to alert? ¤ Maybe also reordering the main menu so that the phone log would not be the first one? ¤ At some stage my FR just decided not to resume any more ¤ After the 10min call the UI died, I wasn't able to press any buttons, nothing happened. Then after waiting some minutes it started running again. Still the top left shows '100' instead of default or silent.. So overall, concidering that this makes FR work as a simple phone I'm really happy! Thank you for your work, I really hope that this encourages the community on working on OM2009 to make it The Best Distribution for Freerunner :) r -- | risto h. kurppa | risto at kurppa dot fi | http://risto.kurppa.fi ___ Openmoko community mailing list
Re: [Om2009] testing Release 3
Just to let you know, downloading http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/raw-attachment/ticket/2121/gsmhandset.state.new and applying these changes: http://rafb.net/p/upcv1H10.html makes the audio good, as long as you keep the audio level from paroli not higher than 80 (change the volume with AUX during the call, the value can be seen at top left corner). (the number is the procentage of calypso self.device.SetSpeakerVolume(int(val)) where max = 256, default is 175=68%). A new .state (with the two fixes applyed) is available here: http://www.kurppa.fi/freerunner/config_files/gsmhandset.state Would it be possible to include the gsmhandset.state.new with the fixes in the next testing release? r -- | risto h. kurppa | risto at kurppa dot fi | http://risto.kurppa.fi ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Om2009] testing Release 3
On Sun, 2009-05-10 at 22:24 +0300, Risto H. Kurppa wrote: - some mess sometimes in the top of the screen Yup, please add it to the bug tracker - resume doesn't turn on the screen lights - one knows it's resumed only by touching the screen please add this too. - Slow boot time (over 4min with Qi?) My tests only show a 10 second difference between qi and u-boot, I will start working on this soon. I was trying to get it stable before I started to optimize - the alsastatefile (kurppa.fi/freerunner/temp/gsmhandset.state_2009t3 with Right PGA on control.63) is different from the latest 'working one' (with mic2) at http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/raw-attachment/ticket/2121/gsmhandset.state.new Oops that was supposed to be in this release I'll see what happened tomorrow. ¤ Is there a way to enable illume from command line? mdbus org.enlightenment.wm.service /org/enlightenment/wm/RemoteObject org.enlightenment.wm.[List|Set] ¤ At some stage my FR just decided not to resume any more Please send a log ¤ After the 10min call the UI died, I wasn't able to press any buttons, nothing happened. Then after waiting some minutes it started running again. Still the top left shows '100' instead of default or silent.. A log would be helpful here too ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Om2009] testing Release 3
Does non latin symbols in SMS and other apps displays correctly with this release? On Суббота 09 мая 2009 17:36:55 Angus Ainslie wrote: Hi, Another week of hard work brings a new testing image, lets hear it for the kernel, paroli and freesmartphone.org teams. As always it still has some issues ( that we are still working on ) The gta01 image boots but calling it working is a bit of a stretch. - Call volume is so low as to be nearly non-existent - usb networking is broken ( probably a modules issue ) - paroli tries to initialize the wifi on gta01 - some menus missing from settings ( illume profile switch for one ) Images and kernels can be found here http://downloads.openmoko.org/distro/testing/ Details for flashing, bug reporting and debug logging can be found here http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Om_2009 Features ( this includes some from last week ) Paroli settings screen - settings enabled by default ( Hold AUX for a few seconds ) - SIM settings PIN - Network settings ( these are carrier dependant ) Network selection and roaming status Call forwarding Messages - Wifi settings ( custom /etc/network/interfaces files will confuse connman ) - change illume profile ( paroli fulsscreen or illume ) - GPRS settings APN settings enable or disable GPRS - phone profile settings menu ringtone volume vibration on incoming call message volume vibration on incoming message New feature's in the FSO framework - Configurable ntp server - Automatic time setting ( requires GPS or network connection ) - Automatic timezones for mutlizone countries Bugs fixed - Power button does not shutdown device - otimed sets timezone incorrectly in large countries FSO 389 - Power status events ignored FSO 381 - feeds are incorrectly set to unstable Angus PS for the power users that would just like to do an opkg update; opkg upgrade it won't work. At the very minimum you will need to opkg remove -force-depends frameworkd paroli and then reinstall them ( and no -force-reinstall won't be enough ) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Alexey 'Alexxy' Shvetsov Gentoo Team Ru signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Om2009] testing Release 3
Angus Ainslie wrote: Hi, [...] PS for the power users that would just like to do an opkg update; opkg upgrade it won't work. At the very minimum you will need to opkg remove -force-depends frameworkd paroli and then reinstall them ( and no -force-reinstall won't be enough ) Why do you say At the very minimum, what else is required/recommended? I would like to upgrade from testing 2 to testing 3, can you confirm that the following will work? opkg update opkg remove -force-depends frameworkd paroli opkg install frameworkd paroli opkg upgrade As well do i need to update the kernel and/or Qi? Regards, Chris ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Om2009] testing Release 3
On Sat, 2009-05-09 at 16:42 +0100, Christian Gagneraud wrote: Angus Ainslie wrote: Hi, [...] PS for the power users that would just like to do an opkg update; opkg upgrade it won't work. At the very minimum you will need to opkg remove -force-depends frameworkd paroli and then reinstall them ( and no -force-reinstall won't be enough ) Why do you say At the very minimum, what else is required/recommended? I would like to upgrade from testing 2 to testing 3, can you confirm that the following will work? opkg update opkg remove -force-depends frameworkd paroli opkg install frameworkd paroli opkg upgrade No I can't confirm that it will work. That may be sufficient but there might be other dependencies I have missed, some will be upgrade automatically but there is a small class ( those packages pegged from git and svn repos ) that won't upgrade automatically. The only thing I can confirm is that I have used this technique on one of the testing phones and the phone seemed to work correctly. The only way to guarantee that all of the dependencies are properly upgraded is to flash the image. As well do i need to update the kernel and/or Qi? If qi was working with release 2 it doesn't need to be changed and the kernel is the same as release 2. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Om2009] testing Release 3
On Sat, 09 May 2009 07:36:55 -0600 Angus Ainslie nyt...@openmoko.org (AA) wrote: Another week of hard work brings a new testing image, lets hear it for the kernel, paroli and freesmartphone.org teams. As always it still has some issues ( that we are still working on ) wow! i haven't tested stability, but the settings app is full of great features some of them missing in other distros i.e. message delivery notification and call forwarding. and i big plus - the responses are really fast. thank you Petr ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Om2009] testing Release 3
Hi, Petr Vanek wrote: wow! i haven't tested stability, but the settings app is full of great features some of them missing in other distros i.e. message delivery notification and call forwarding. and i big plus - the responses are really fast. Glad you like it :) Can you let me know if the Call forwarding works? I haven't found a SIM to test it with yet :) /mirko ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Om2009] testing Release 3
Angus Ainslie wrote: On Sat, 2009-05-09 at 16:42 +0100, Christian Gagneraud wrote: Angus Ainslie wrote: Hi, [...] PS for the power users that would just like to do an opkg update; opkg upgrade it won't work. At the very minimum you will need to opkg remove -force-depends frameworkd paroli and then reinstall them ( and no -force-reinstall won't be enough ) Why do you say At the very minimum, what else is required/recommended? I would like to upgrade from testing 2 to testing 3, can you confirm that the following will work? opkg update opkg remove -force-depends frameworkd paroli opkg install frameworkd paroli opkg upgrade No I can't confirm that it will work. That may be sufficient but there might be other dependencies I have missed, some will be upgrade automatically but there is a small class ( those packages pegged from git and svn repos ) that won't upgrade automatically. The only thing I can confirm is that I have used this technique on one of the testing phones and the phone seemed to work correctly. The only way to guarantee that all of the dependencies are properly upgraded is to flash the image. As well do i need to update the kernel and/or Qi? If qi was working with release 2 it doesn't need to be changed and the kernel is the same as release 2. My update sequence showed some errors. Actions executed: opkg remove -force-depends frameworkd paroli opkg update opkg upgrade opkg install frameworkd paroli - paroli did not install because of conflict with the file /usr/share/elementary/themes/default.edj with elementary-themes opkg remove elementary-themes -recursive opkg install paroli opkg install paroli-autostart paroli-sounds - paroli did not want to start because of missing dependency opkg install python-elementary - paroli starts, waiting for someone to call me on saterday night :) Hans ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Om2009] testing Release 3
On Sat, May 9, 2009 at 22:18, Hans Zimmerman h...@everlasting.be wrote: My update sequence showed some errors. Actions executed: opkg remove -force-depends frameworkd paroli opkg update opkg upgrade opkg install frameworkd paroli - paroli did not install because of conflict with the file /usr/share/elementary/themes/default.edj with elementary-themes opkg remove elementary-themes -recursive opkg install paroli opkg install paroli-autostart paroli-sounds - paroli did not want to start because of missing dependency opkg install python-elementary - paroli starts, waiting for someone to call me on saterday night :) opkg remove elementary-themes -recursive was really wrong!!! You should use -force-depends... ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Om2009] testing Release 3
On Суббота 09 мая 2009 17:36:55 Angus Ainslie wrote: New feature's in the FSO framework - Configurable ntp server - Automatic time setting ( requires GPS or network connection ) - Automatic timezones for mutlizone countries This dont works =( At least for me -- Alexey 'Alexxy' Shvetsov Gentoo Team Ru signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Om2009] testing Release 3
On Sat, 2009-05-09 at 22:18 +0200, Hans Zimmerman wrote: My update sequence showed some errors. Actions executed: opkg remove -force-depends frameworkd paroli opkg update opkg upgrade opkg install frameworkd paroli - paroli did not install because of conflict with the file /usr/share/elementary/themes/default.edj with elementary-themes opkg remove elementary-themes -recursive This was the wrong way to solve it. You should have done opkg install -force-overwrite paroli ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Om2009] testing Release 3
On Sun, 2009-05-10 at 00:49 +0400, Alexey Shvetsov wrote: On Суббота 09 мая 2009 17:36:55 Angus Ainslie wrote: New feature's in the FSO framework - Configurable ntp server - Automatic time setting ( requires GPS or network connection ) - Automatic timezones for mutlizone countries This dont works =( At least for me What didn't work ? Did you have a network connection ? Can you provide a log ? http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Om_2009#Debugging_and_Bug_Reporting Angus ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
