date:20080819



 (Remember, Raster gets all the credit!  I'm just trying to spread the
 good word about the image!)


URL to the image?

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Re: [qtopia on freerunner] - What files do I have to download?

On Thu, Aug 14, 2008 at 11:42, Cédric Berger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Still same questions on the same subject, and also with the new 2008.8
 repository here / coming :

 On Thu, Jul 24, 2008 at 10:34, Cédric Berger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 How is the image (from http://www.qtopia.net/modules/mydownloads/ :
 Qtopia flash image for FIC Neo Freerunner (gta02)) created ?

 It is said to be created from a rootfs from FSO.
 - why FSO ? (lighter maybe ?) Can we use another base rootfs ?
 - what is specific to qtopia image ? Qtopia is added, but what else is 
 changed ?
 - is opkg upgrade safe ? (as I understand it will not update qtopia
 itself, but normally should not break it)

 opkg is now using repositories on buildhost.
 Will it then be pointing to 2008.8 repositories (with stable-testing-...) ?
 Or will it have its own repositories ?
 Or... both common repositories with 2008.8 and specific ones ?

 About current release, except that now Qtopia 2008.8 installs some of
 its qtopia package into /opt/qtopia, are 2008.8 repositories safe for
 Qtopia distro ? (I would say no, but not sure...)



Since rootfs for Qtopia (supposedly) comes from FSO distro, maybe I
should instead use FSO repositories to opkg update qtopia distro ?...
(new ones from http://shr.bearstech.com )

And I began trying to build qtopia using trolltech's snaphot and
toolchain, but still no luck with it...

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Re: Qtopia Wlan gui

On Tue, Aug 19, 2008 at 10:15, julien cubizolles [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Le mardi 19 août 2008 à 00:21 +0200, Cédric Berger a écrit :
 On Mon, Aug 18, 2008 at 09:55, julien cubizolles [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Le samedi 16 août 2008 à 17:06 +0200, Cédric Berger a écrit :
 
  I think it is in :
  /home/root/Settings/Network/wireless/eth0
 
  In what field to you type your key ?
 
  I tried typing a bogus key from the gui and it didn't show anywhere in
  this file, but appeared
  in /home/root/Applications/Network/config/wlan0.conf
 
 

 looks like  /home/root/Settings/Network/wireless/eth0 is updated when
 trying to connect.

 From /home/root/Applications/Network/config/wlan0.conf, you mean ?


Probably... maybe also with infos from access point but I really don't know...

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Re: Raster's Image and chatting on the moko!

2008-08-19 Thread Robert William Hutton

Jay Vaughan wrote:
 (Remember, Raster gets all the credit!  I'm just trying to spread the
 good word about the image!)
 
 URL to the image?

 From the linked blog post:

http://download.enlightenment.org/misc/

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Re: compiling lincity

 i want to compile the game lincity for the freerunner and everything
 worked fine, but it doesn't works. it wants to cd in the sources-dir pon
 my desktop (which is of course not available on my freerunner).

you probably missed one step in the installation process that sets the  
pathes.
try checkinstall and create a tar.

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Re: GPS logger / field data collection

2008-08-19 Thread Jim Morris

Jim Morris wrote:
 Brian Wilson wrote:
 Jim wrote:
 I tried to used gpsd with my GPS base station my recollection was that
 it was totally useless for that. I assume that it will be useless for
 this project too but it's a starting point.

 
 gpsd seems to work fine for me, and I can develop my app on my host, and 
 connect to it over the USB 
 connection, or over the wifi.
 
 Other than the documented problems with the 5 reads to get the fix.
 

Hmm I am losing faith in gpsd, I've run into the problem where it seems to be 
running and I can 
connect to it but there is no fix data. Restarting it doesn't fix it but 
poweroff and on the gps, 
and I get fixes again. Not sure if that is gpsd or the gps itself.

-- 
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Site reviewing all distros needed? (was: Re: Raster's Image and chatting on the moko!)

On Tue, Aug 19, 2008 at 11:25 AM, Robert William Hutton
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 http://download.enlightenment.org/misc/

Yet Another Fork.. :/

I would really like to see a site or wiki page where all these (about
10) distros would be reviewed and compared every x weeks or so.. One
could compare the availability of software (gprs, web, gps),
stability, power saving features, ability to make phone calls and so
on and maybe also list 'biggest annoyances' that then could hopefully
be focused on by the developers/community.

Is there anyone who could do this?


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Re: Site reviewing all distros needed? (was: Re: Raster's Image and chatting on the moko!)

2008-08-19 Thread robin paulson

Risto H. Kurppa wrote:
 On Tue, Aug 19, 2008 at 11:25 AM, Robert William Hutton
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 http://download.enlightenment.org/misc/
 
 Yet Another Fork.. :/
 
 I would really like to see a site or wiki page where all these (about
 10) distros would be reviewed and compared every x weeks or so.. One
 could compare the availability of software (gprs, web, gps),
 stability, power saving features, ability to make phone calls and so
 on and maybe also list 'biggest annoyances' that then could hopefully
 be focused on by the developers/community.
 
 Is there anyone who could do this?

http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Distributions

is the closest i've seen, but doesn't really go far enough
  - it's very mechanical, doesn't go enough into what it's actually like 
to use in a more general sense

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Re: Site reviewing all distros needed? (was: Re: Raster's Image and chatting on the moko!)

2008-08-19 Thread Georg Michelitsch

Risto H. Kurppa wrote on 08/19/2008 11:09 AM:
 On Tue, Aug 19, 2008 at 11:25 AM, Robert William Hutton
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   
 http://download.enlightenment.org/misc/
 

 Yet Another Fork.. :/

 I would really like to see a site or wiki page where all these (about
 10) distros would be reviewed and compared every x weeks or so.. One
 could compare the availability of software (gprs, web, gps),
 stability, power saving features, ability to make phone calls and so
 on and maybe also list 'biggest annoyances' that then could hopefully
 be focused on by the developers/community.

 Is there anyone who could do this?


 r

   

I think this wiki page aims what you're looking for. I'm not sure if its
_very_ up-to-date and complete but its quite useful in this state.

http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Distributions

cu,
Georg



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SIP on Debian

2008-08-19 Thread Peter Schwenke

SIP is looking very promising on Debian.  I installed ekiga and linphone
and have had some success with both.  Nothing fancy - just apt-get install.

Calls can be successfully initiated and received on linphone.  Ekiga
does work as well and I have received video but it didn't cope too well.

The problem is with the audio.  I can hear the ring for an incoming call
using stereoout.state.  Once the call is picked up I can hear the other end.

Fiddling with alsa mixer I was able to get the other end to hear me from
the phone speaker.

So some work with the alsa setting and we should have VOIP and maybe
even some video conferencing.

  Regards
  ...Peter

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Re: Raster's Image and chatting on the moko!

 URL to the image?

 From the linked blog post:

 http://download.enlightenment.org/misc/


Thanks for that, I didn't get to it yet .. but great that Raster is  
finally putting out the pimped image we all want to see .. ;)

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Re: Site reviewing all distros needed? (was: Re: Raster's Image and chatting on the moko!)

 I would really like to see a site or wiki page where all these (about
 10) distros would be reviewed and compared every x weeks or so.. One
 could compare the availability of software (gprs, web, gps),
 stability, power saving features, ability to make phone calls and so
 on and maybe also list 'biggest annoyances' that then could hopefully
 be focused on by the developers/community.
 Is there anyone who could do this?



Yeah, this is really needed.  I would be happy to try images and  
report on them every week, I just don't have the time and resources to  
set up a server that would present the details properly, and I  
definitely don't want to bury this in the wiki.  Something like what  
the GP2X scene has in the forms of regular updates and reviews would  
be ideal ..

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Re: SIP on Debian

 So some work with the alsa setting and we should have VOIP and maybe
 even some video conferencing.


Excitement!

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USB keyboard in hostmode?

Hi,

i tried to use my logitech usb keyboard with the freerunner with no luck so far.
I'm using 2007.2 with the latest uBoot Image and latest kernel/system updates.

First i switched to usb hostmode and supplied the 5V to the usb port with the 
following commands.

echo host  /sys/devices/platform/s3c2410-ohci/usb_mode
echo 1  /sys/devices/platform/neo1973-pm-host.0/hostmode

After that i first tried it with an usb stick which works great. It was 
recognized and i could
access it as /dev/sda1.

So far so good. Than i tried an usb mouse even when i didn't thought i could 
use it, just for testing.
I attached it (2x for testing) and it was recognized as hid device as shown in 
the log. When i move the mouse
and click the left button sometimes it seems to select applications in the 
windowmanager, but i can't make
any sensfull use with it.

After that i came to the keyboard. I attached it (again 2x for testing) to the 
neo it shows the enumeration
in the logs and no errors. But now i can't do anything with the keyboard. In an 
planet.openmoko.org article
the keyboard is used in the terminal application. But i can't use it in any 
application. I can't even change
the led's for numlock oder shiftlock what makes me believe that the keyboard 
isn't fully recognized by linux.
I have no error messages like meantioned in the usb host wiki page, so i think 
it should work without an usb
hub.

Has anybody successfully used an usb keyboard attached directly to the neo and 
in which applications could it
be used?
Is there any step i'm missing after attaching the keyboard?


Ciao,
 Rainer



Log start for usb stick:

Aug 18 21:53:44 IjonTichy user.warn kernel: s3c2410: changing usb to host

Aug 18 21:54:53 IjonTichy user.info kernel: usb 1-2: new full speed USB device 
using s3c2410-ohci and address 119
Aug 18 21:54:54 IjonTichy user.info kernel: usb 1-2: configuration #1 chosen 
from 1 choice
Aug 18 21:54:54 IjonTichy user.notice kernel: SCSI subsystem initialized
Aug 18 21:54:55 IjonTichy user.info kernel: Initializing USB Mass Storage 
driver...
Aug 18 21:54:55 IjonTichy user.info kernel: scsi0 : SCSI emulation for USB Mass 
Storage devices
Aug 18 21:54:55 IjonTichy user.info kernel: usbcore: registered new interface 
driver usb-storage
Aug 18 21:54:55 IjonTichy user.info kernel: USB Mass Storage support registered.
Aug 18 21:54:55 IjonTichy user.debug kernel: usb-storage: device found at 119
Aug 18 21:54:55 IjonTichy user.debug kernel: usb-storage: waiting for device to 
settle before scanning
Aug 18 21:55:00 IjonTichy user.debug kernel: usb-storage: device scan complete
Aug 18 21:55:00 IjonTichy user.notice kernel: scsi 0:0:0:0: Direct-Access 
Corsair  VoyagerGT1100 PQ: 0 ANSI: 0 CCS
Aug 18 21:55:00 IjonTichy user.warn kernel: Driver 'sd' needs updating - please 
use bus_type methods
Aug 18 21:55:00 IjonTichy user.notice kernel: sd 0:0:0:0: [sda] 4046848 
512-byte hardware sectors (2072 MB)
Aug 18 21:55:00 IjonTichy user.notice kernel: sd 0:0:0:0: [sda] Write Protect 
is off
Aug 18 21:55:00 IjonTichy user.debug kernel: sd 0:0:0:0: [sda] Mode Sense: 43 
00 00 00
Aug 18 21:55:00 IjonTichy user.err kernel: sd 0:0:0:0: [sda] Assuming drive 
cache: write through
Aug 18 21:55:00 IjonTichy user.notice kernel: sd 0:0:0:0: [sda] 4046848 
512-byte hardware sectors (2072 MB)
Aug 18 21:55:00 IjonTichy user.notice kernel: sd 0:0:0:0: [sda] Write Protect 
is off
Aug 18 21:55:00 IjonTichy user.debug kernel: sd 0:0:0:0: [sda] Mode Sense: 43 
00 00 00
Aug 18 21:55:00 IjonTichy user.err kernel: sd 0:0:0:0: [sda] Assuming drive 
cache: write through
Aug 18 21:55:00 IjonTichy user.info kernel:  sda:
Aug 18 21:55:00 IjonTichy user.info kernel:  sda1
Aug 18 21:55:00 IjonTichy user.notice kernel: sd 0:0:0:0: [sda] Attached SCSI 
removable disk
Aug 18 21:55:00 IjonTichy user.notice kernel: sd 0:0:0:0: Attached scsi generic 
sg0 type 0
Aug 18 21:55:01 IjonTichy user.warn kernel: Alignment trap: hald-probe-stor 
(1682) PC=0xc474 Instr=0xe59b300c Address=0xbefe2492 FSR 0x013
Aug 18 21:55:01 IjonTichy user.warn kernel: Alignment trap: hald-probe-stor 
(1682) PC=0xc490 Instr=0xe59b1008 Address=0xbefe248e FSR 0x013
Aug 18 21:55:01 IjonTichy user.warn kernel: Alignment trap: hald-probe-stor 
(1682) PC=0xc474 Instr=0xe59b300c Address=0xbefe24a2 FSR 0x013
Aug 18 21:55:01 IjonTichy user.warn kernel: Alignment trap: hald-probe-stor 
(1682) PC=0xc490 Instr=0xe59b1008 Address=0xbefe249e FSR 0x013
Aug 18 21:55:01 IjonTichy user.warn kernel: Alignment trap: hald-probe-stor 
(1682) PC=0xc474 Instr=0xe59b300c Address=0xbefe24b2 FSR 0x013
Aug 18 21:55:01 IjonTichy user.warn kernel: Alignment trap: hald-probe-stor 
(1682) PC=0xc490 Instr=0xe59b1008 Address=0xbefe24ae FSR 0x013
Aug 18 21:55:01 IjonTichy user.warn kernel: Alignment trap: hald-probe-stor 
(1682) PC=0xc474 Instr=0xe59b300c Address=0xbefe24c2 FSR 0x013
Aug 18 21:55:01

Re: Debian - alsa sound ?

2008-08-19 Thread Peter Schwenke

Stefan Schweizer wrote:
 * Sebastian Ohl:
 i tried to turn my gta02 into a musicplayer on the debian distro. does
 anyone managed to get any sound out of it ? i see that the alsa modules
 are loaded and the alsamixer says every volume value is at its maximum.
 so what am i doing wrong by calling mpg321 file.mp3 . the player says
 it is playing but there is no sound not from the speaker nor from a
 headset i pluged in.

 any suggestions what i'm doing wrong?
 
 Have you tried
 
 alsactl -f /usr/share/openmoko/stereoout.state restore
 

I've managed to get sound using that (actually
/usr/share/openmoko/scenarios/stereoout.state) with an ogg/vorbis file
in totem and gstreamer on it's own (i.e. gst-launch playbin
uri=file:///root/audio.ogg).

gst-launch is available via the gstreamer-tools package.

BTW video sort of plays with those, as well.

...Peter

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Re: USB keyboard in hostmode?

2008-08-19 Thread Joseph Reeves

Hi, that was me on the planet who used the usb keyboard for various
things on the Freerunner ( [1]  [2] )

I'm afraid I can't really give you much help as mine just worked.
Once power was applied it functioned like a usb keyboard on a desktop
pc.

How are you managing to connect your devices to the FreeRunner?

Not much help. I know, but I can tell you about how it *should* work;
basically OM2007.2 seems very keyboard friendly - whenever an
application has focus you should just be able to type away at it (like
the terminal in my example), you can also use the arrow keys to scroll
in the application menu or simply hit m to jump straight to the
mediaplayer, for example. You can also do ctrl + alt + f1 to change to
a second login terminal and return to matchbox with ctrl + alt + f2.
Numpty Physics works great with the keyboard shortcuts and I've sent
an email or two using my employers web based email system, the
keyboard and minimo. Essentially om2007.2 + keyboard = small sized
linux desktop machine.

There is a matchbox config file you can edit that will result in the
mouse cursor being displayed - this should help your efforts there.

Cheers,

Joseph


[1] http://blogs.thehumanjourney.net/finds/entry/20080716
[2] http://blogs.thehumanjourney.net/finds/entry/20080730


2008/8/19 Fox Mulder [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 Hi,

 i tried to use my logitech usb keyboard with the freerunner with no luck so 
 far.
 I'm using 2007.2 with the latest uBoot Image and latest kernel/system updates.

 First i switched to usb hostmode and supplied the 5V to the usb port with the 
 following commands.

 echo host  /sys/devices/platform/s3c2410-ohci/usb_mode
 echo 1  /sys/devices/platform/neo1973-pm-host.0/hostmode

 After that i first tried it with an usb stick which works great. It was 
 recognized and i could
 access it as /dev/sda1.

 So far so good. Than i tried an usb mouse even when i didn't thought i could 
 use it, just for testing.
 I attached it (2x for testing) and it was recognized as hid device as shown 
 in the log. When i move the mouse
 and click the left button sometimes it seems to select applications in the 
 windowmanager, but i can't make
 any sensfull use with it.

 After that i came to the keyboard. I attached it (again 2x for testing) to 
 the neo it shows the enumeration
 in the logs and no errors. But now i can't do anything with the keyboard. In 
 an planet.openmoko.org article
 the keyboard is used in the terminal application. But i can't use it in any 
 application. I can't even change
 the led's for numlock oder shiftlock what makes me believe that the keyboard 
 isn't fully recognized by linux.
 I have no error messages like meantioned in the usb host wiki page, so i 
 think it should work without an usb
 hub.

 Has anybody successfully used an usb keyboard attached directly to the neo 
 and in which applications could it
 be used?
 Is there any step i'm missing after attaching the keyboard?


 Ciao,
 Rainer



 Log start for usb stick:
 
 Aug 18 21:53:44 IjonTichy user.warn kernel: s3c2410: changing usb to host

 Aug 18 21:54:53 IjonTichy user.info kernel: usb 1-2: new full speed USB 
 device using s3c2410-ohci and address 119
 Aug 18 21:54:54 IjonTichy user.info kernel: usb 1-2: configuration #1 chosen 
 from 1 choice
 Aug 18 21:54:54 IjonTichy user.notice kernel: SCSI subsystem initialized
 Aug 18 21:54:55 IjonTichy user.info kernel: Initializing USB Mass Storage 
 driver...
 Aug 18 21:54:55 IjonTichy user.info kernel: scsi0 : SCSI emulation for USB 
 Mass Storage devices
 Aug 18 21:54:55 IjonTichy user.info kernel: usbcore: registered new interface 
 driver usb-storage
 Aug 18 21:54:55 IjonTichy user.info kernel: USB Mass Storage support 
 registered.
 Aug 18 21:54:55 IjonTichy user.debug kernel: usb-storage: device found at 119
 Aug 18 21:54:55 IjonTichy user.debug kernel: usb-storage: waiting for device 
 to settle before scanning
 Aug 18 21:55:00 IjonTichy user.debug kernel: usb-storage: device scan complete
 Aug 18 21:55:00 IjonTichy user.notice kernel: scsi 0:0:0:0: Direct-Access 
 Corsair  VoyagerGT1100 PQ: 0 ANSI: 0 CCS
 Aug 18 21:55:00 IjonTichy user.warn kernel: Driver 'sd' needs updating - 
 please use bus_type methods
 Aug 18 21:55:00 IjonTichy user.notice kernel: sd 0:0:0:0: [sda] 4046848 
 512-byte hardware sectors (2072 MB)
 Aug 18 21:55:00 IjonTichy user.notice kernel: sd 0:0:0:0: [sda] Write Protect 
 is off
 Aug 18 21:55:00 IjonTichy user.debug kernel: sd 0:0:0:0: [sda] Mode Sense: 43 
 00 00 00
 Aug 18 21:55:00 IjonTichy user.err kernel: sd 0:0:0:0: [sda] Assuming drive 
 cache: write through
 Aug 18 21:55:00 IjonTichy user.notice kernel: sd 0:0:0:0: [sda] 4046848 
 512-byte hardware sectors (2072 MB)
 Aug 18 21:55:00 IjonTichy user.notice kernel: sd 0:0:0:0: [sda] Write Protect 
 is off
 Aug 18 21:55:00 IjonTichy user.debug kernel: sd 0:0:0:0: [sda] Mode Sense: 43 
 00 00 00
 Aug 18

OpenMoko apps website ?

2008-08-19 Thread Valerio Valerio

Hi,

besides projects.openmoko, I think OpenMoko should have a new website more
oriented to the users, it all the OpenMoko applications organized by
categories, with screenshots, small descriptions and also the direct link to
the packages. Something like this: http://maemo.org/downloads/OS2008/

Sometimes I go to the  screenshots area of linuxtogo and I see very cool app
running on the FR there, but a lot of times I don't know what app is, this
new site will resolve this lack for sure.

When OpenMoko goes to prime time, and non technical people get in touch it
the phone this application site will give a lot of help to those people that
don't know all the free apps that can install in the phone.

what do you think ?

Cheers,

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Re: OpenMoko apps website ?

2008-08-19 Thread Yorick Moko

On Tue, Aug 19, 2008 at 1:09 PM, Valerio Valerio [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hi,

 besides projects.openmoko, I think OpenMoko should have a new website more
 oriented to the users, it all the OpenMoko applications organized by
 categories, with screenshots, small descriptions and also the direct link to
 the packages. Something like this: http://maemo.org/downloads/OS2008/

 Sometimes I go to the  screenshots area of linuxtogo and I see very cool app
 running on the FR there, but a lot of times I don't know what app is, this
 new site will resolve this lack for sure.

 When OpenMoko goes to prime time, and non technical people get in touch it
 the phone this application site will give a lot of help to those people that
 don't know all the free apps that can install in the phone.

 what do you think ?

 Cheers,

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Sounds like a good idea to me

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Re: OpenMoko apps website ?

On Tue, Aug 19, 2008 at 2:09 PM, Valerio Valerio [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hi,

 besides projects.openmoko, I think OpenMoko should have a new website more
 oriented to the users, it all the OpenMoko applications organized by
 categories, with screenshots, small descriptions and also the direct link to
 the packages. Something like this: http://maemo.org/downloads/OS2008/

Hmm, that looks cool and handy..

 what do you think ?

Sounds good.

Some of the apps are listed here:
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Category:Applications

but as wikis usually, it's a mess..

Is sometimes browse through projects.openmoko and list all apps that
have development status of three (alpha) or better but there's no
community feedback: comments, rating and so on available.

So sounds good to me..


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Re: USB keyboard in hostmode?

I use an usb female to female adapter with the standard neo usb cable to
attach the usb devices.
I think the problem is the keyboard itself. The keyboard has also a
mouse like scrollwheel integrated. And when i take a look in the
messages log i see that two devices appear when attaching the keyboard.
One keyboard and one mouse. After a few tests i can say that the
keyboard part isn't working at all, but the scrollwheel (mouse part)
seems to works. I can use the wheel to change between the three sections
at the bottom of the screen when the focus is on them.
Maybe i should test it with a more simple usb keyboard without any extra
functions.

Ciao,
 Rainer

Joseph Reeves wrote:
 Hi, that was me on the planet who used the usb keyboard for various
 things on the Freerunner ( [1]  [2] )
 
 I'm afraid I can't really give you much help as mine just worked.
 Once power was applied it functioned like a usb keyboard on a desktop
 pc.
 
 How are you managing to connect your devices to the FreeRunner?
 
 Not much help. I know, but I can tell you about how it *should* work;
 basically OM2007.2 seems very keyboard friendly - whenever an
 application has focus you should just be able to type away at it (like
 the terminal in my example), you can also use the arrow keys to scroll
 in the application menu or simply hit m to jump straight to the
 mediaplayer, for example. You can also do ctrl + alt + f1 to change to
 a second login terminal and return to matchbox with ctrl + alt + f2.
 Numpty Physics works great with the keyboard shortcuts and I've sent
 an email or two using my employers web based email system, the
 keyboard and minimo. Essentially om2007.2 + keyboard = small sized
 linux desktop machine.
 
 There is a matchbox config file you can edit that will result in the
 mouse cursor being displayed - this should help your efforts there.
 
 Cheers,
 
 Joseph
 
 
 [1] http://blogs.thehumanjourney.net/finds/entry/20080716
 [2] http://blogs.thehumanjourney.net/finds/entry/20080730
 
 
 2008/8/19 Fox Mulder [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 Hi,

 i tried to use my logitech usb keyboard with the freerunner with no luck so 
 far.
 I'm using 2007.2 with the latest uBoot Image and latest kernel/system 
 updates.

 First i switched to usb hostmode and supplied the 5V to the usb port with 
 the following commands.

 echo host  /sys/devices/platform/s3c2410-ohci/usb_mode
 echo 1  /sys/devices/platform/neo1973-pm-host.0/hostmode

 After that i first tried it with an usb stick which works great. It was 
 recognized and i could
 access it as /dev/sda1.

 So far so good. Than i tried an usb mouse even when i didn't thought i could 
 use it, just for testing.
 I attached it (2x for testing) and it was recognized as hid device as shown 
 in the log. When i move the mouse
 and click the left button sometimes it seems to select applications in the 
 windowmanager, but i can't make
 any sensfull use with it.

 After that i came to the keyboard. I attached it (again 2x for testing) to 
 the neo it shows the enumeration
 in the logs and no errors. But now i can't do anything with the keyboard. In 
 an planet.openmoko.org article
 the keyboard is used in the terminal application. But i can't use it in any 
 application. I can't even change
 the led's for numlock oder shiftlock what makes me believe that the keyboard 
 isn't fully recognized by linux.
 I have no error messages like meantioned in the usb host wiki page, so i 
 think it should work without an usb
 hub.

 Has anybody successfully used an usb keyboard attached directly to the neo 
 and in which applications could it
 be used?
 Is there any step i'm missing after attaching the keyboard?


 Ciao,
 Rainer



 Log start for usb stick:
 
 Aug 18 21:53:44 IjonTichy user.warn kernel: s3c2410: changing usb to host

 Aug 18 21:54:53 IjonTichy user.info kernel: usb 1-2: new full speed USB 
 device using s3c2410-ohci and address 119
 Aug 18 21:54:54 IjonTichy user.info kernel: usb 1-2: configuration #1 chosen 
 from 1 choice
 Aug 18 21:54:54 IjonTichy user.notice kernel: SCSI subsystem initialized
 Aug 18 21:54:55 IjonTichy user.info kernel: Initializing USB Mass Storage 
 driver...
 Aug 18 21:54:55 IjonTichy user.info kernel: scsi0 : SCSI emulation for USB 
 Mass Storage devices
 Aug 18 21:54:55 IjonTichy user.info kernel: usbcore: registered new 
 interface driver usb-storage
 Aug 18 21:54:55 IjonTichy user.info kernel: USB Mass Storage support 
 registered.
 Aug 18 21:54:55 IjonTichy user.debug kernel: usb-storage: device found at 119
 Aug 18 21:54:55 IjonTichy user.debug kernel: usb-storage: waiting for device 
 to settle before scanning
 Aug 18 21:55:00 IjonTichy user.debug kernel: usb-storage: device scan 
 complete
 Aug 18 21:55:00 IjonTichy user.notice kernel: scsi 0:0:0:0: Direct-Access
  Corsair  VoyagerGT1100 PQ: 0 ANSI: 0 CCS
 Aug 18 21:55:00 IjonTichy user.warn kernel: Driver 'sd' needs

Re: USB keyboard in hostmode?

2008-08-19 Thread Joseph Reeves

I wonder if the FreeRunner is simply not supplying enough power for
the keyboard? There's probably a way of finding out, but I don't know
it off the top of my head. A three headed cable might fix your
problems (as described on the wiki), but you're right in saying that
the best test might be to use a simpler keyboard.

Cheers,

Joseph



2008/8/19 Fox Mulder [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 I use an usb female to female adapter with the standard neo usb cable to
 attach the usb devices.
 I think the problem is the keyboard itself. The keyboard has also a
 mouse like scrollwheel integrated. And when i take a look in the
 messages log i see that two devices appear when attaching the keyboard.
 One keyboard and one mouse. After a few tests i can say that the
 keyboard part isn't working at all, but the scrollwheel (mouse part)
 seems to works. I can use the wheel to change between the three sections
 at the bottom of the screen when the focus is on them.
 Maybe i should test it with a more simple usb keyboard without any extra
 functions.

 Ciao,
 Rainer

 Joseph Reeves wrote:
 Hi, that was me on the planet who used the usb keyboard for various
 things on the Freerunner ( [1]  [2] )

 I'm afraid I can't really give you much help as mine just worked.
 Once power was applied it functioned like a usb keyboard on a desktop
 pc.

 How are you managing to connect your devices to the FreeRunner?

 Not much help. I know, but I can tell you about how it *should* work;
 basically OM2007.2 seems very keyboard friendly - whenever an
 application has focus you should just be able to type away at it (like
 the terminal in my example), you can also use the arrow keys to scroll
 in the application menu or simply hit m to jump straight to the
 mediaplayer, for example. You can also do ctrl + alt + f1 to change to
 a second login terminal and return to matchbox with ctrl + alt + f2.
 Numpty Physics works great with the keyboard shortcuts and I've sent
 an email or two using my employers web based email system, the
 keyboard and minimo. Essentially om2007.2 + keyboard = small sized
 linux desktop machine.

 There is a matchbox config file you can edit that will result in the
 mouse cursor being displayed - this should help your efforts there.

 Cheers,

 Joseph


 [1] http://blogs.thehumanjourney.net/finds/entry/20080716
 [2] http://blogs.thehumanjourney.net/finds/entry/20080730


 2008/8/19 Fox Mulder [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 Hi,

 i tried to use my logitech usb keyboard with the freerunner with no luck so 
 far.
 I'm using 2007.2 with the latest uBoot Image and latest kernel/system 
 updates.

 First i switched to usb hostmode and supplied the 5V to the usb port with 
 the following commands.

 echo host  /sys/devices/platform/s3c2410-ohci/usb_mode
 echo 1  /sys/devices/platform/neo1973-pm-host.0/hostmode

 After that i first tried it with an usb stick which works great. It was 
 recognized and i could
 access it as /dev/sda1.

 So far so good. Than i tried an usb mouse even when i didn't thought i 
 could use it, just for testing.
 I attached it (2x for testing) and it was recognized as hid device as shown 
 in the log. When i move the mouse
 and click the left button sometimes it seems to select applications in the 
 windowmanager, but i can't make
 any sensfull use with it.

 After that i came to the keyboard. I attached it (again 2x for testing) to 
 the neo it shows the enumeration
 in the logs and no errors. But now i can't do anything with the keyboard. 
 In an planet.openmoko.org article
 the keyboard is used in the terminal application. But i can't use it in any 
 application. I can't even change
 the led's for numlock oder shiftlock what makes me believe that the 
 keyboard isn't fully recognized by linux.
 I have no error messages like meantioned in the usb host wiki page, so i 
 think it should work without an usb
 hub.

 Has anybody successfully used an usb keyboard attached directly to the neo 
 and in which applications could it
 be used?
 Is there any step i'm missing after attaching the keyboard?


 Ciao,
 Rainer



 Log start for usb stick:
 
 Aug 18 21:53:44 IjonTichy user.warn kernel: s3c2410: changing usb to host

 Aug 18 21:54:53 IjonTichy user.info kernel: usb 1-2: new full speed USB 
 device using s3c2410-ohci and address 119
 Aug 18 21:54:54 IjonTichy user.info kernel: usb 1-2: configuration #1 
 chosen from 1 choice
 Aug 18 21:54:54 IjonTichy user.notice kernel: SCSI subsystem initialized
 Aug 18 21:54:55 IjonTichy user.info kernel: Initializing USB Mass Storage 
 driver...
 Aug 18 21:54:55 IjonTichy user.info kernel: scsi0 : SCSI emulation for USB 
 Mass Storage devices
 Aug 18 21:54:55 IjonTichy user.info kernel: usbcore: registered new 
 interface driver usb-storage
 Aug 18 21:54:55 IjonTichy user.info kernel: USB Mass Storage support 
 registered.
 Aug 18 21:54:55 IjonTichy user.debug kernel: usb-storage: device found at

Re: OpenMoko apps website ?

 the direct link to the packages. Something like this: 
 http://maemo.org/downloads/OS2008/


Yes, this is precisely what I hope to be able to contribute to .. its  
very much needed right now and imho we've got the tools we need to  
gather this information - scap.linuxtogo.org, planet.openmoko.org,  
projects.*, this mailing list, etc.  If only we had a common, easy to  
use (interface-wise) site that could be used to collect these details  
and make them easier to read ..

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Re: OpenMoko apps website ?

2008-08-19 Thread Mike Baroukh


couldn't all informations on applications be extracted from ipks ?
Like what is done on http://packages.debian.org/stable/.



Valerio Valerio a écrit :
 Hi,

 besides projects.openmoko, I think OpenMoko should have a new website 
 more oriented to the users, it all the OpenMoko applications organized 
 by categories, with screenshots, small descriptions and also the 
 direct link to the packages. Something like this: 
 http://maemo.org/downloads/OS2008/

 Sometimes I go to the  screenshots area of linuxtogo and I see very 
 cool app running on the FR there, but a lot of times I don't know what 
 app is, this new site will resolve this lack for sure.

 When OpenMoko goes to prime time, and non technical people get in 
 touch it the phone this application site will give a lot of help to 
 those people that don't know all the free apps that can install in the 
 phone.

 what do you think ?

 Cheers,

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Re: USB keyboard in hostmode?

I think the power supply isn't the problem because the mouse part works.
I could also press the function key (a special led indicates the
success) which sets the function keys to F1 - F12 and not to special
logitech functions. On the back of the keyboard the specification says
that it only needs 75mA current, which should be no problem at all.
I think i will try it with a normal usb keyboard at work.

Ciao,
 Rainer

Joseph Reeves wrote:
 I wonder if the FreeRunner is simply not supplying enough power for
 the keyboard? There's probably a way of finding out, but I don't know
 it off the top of my head. A three headed cable might fix your
 problems (as described on the wiki), but you're right in saying that
 the best test might be to use a simpler keyboard.
 
 Cheers,
 
 Joseph
 
 
 
 2008/8/19 Fox Mulder [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 I use an usb female to female adapter with the standard neo usb cable to
 attach the usb devices.
 I think the problem is the keyboard itself. The keyboard has also a
 mouse like scrollwheel integrated. And when i take a look in the
 messages log i see that two devices appear when attaching the keyboard.
 One keyboard and one mouse. After a few tests i can say that the
 keyboard part isn't working at all, but the scrollwheel (mouse part)
 seems to works. I can use the wheel to change between the three sections
 at the bottom of the screen when the focus is on them.
 Maybe i should test it with a more simple usb keyboard without any extra
 functions.

 Ciao,
 Rainer

 Joseph Reeves wrote:
 Hi, that was me on the planet who used the usb keyboard for various
 things on the Freerunner ( [1]  [2] )

 I'm afraid I can't really give you much help as mine just worked.
 Once power was applied it functioned like a usb keyboard on a desktop
 pc.

 How are you managing to connect your devices to the FreeRunner?

 Not much help. I know, but I can tell you about how it *should* work;
 basically OM2007.2 seems very keyboard friendly - whenever an
 application has focus you should just be able to type away at it (like
 the terminal in my example), you can also use the arrow keys to scroll
 in the application menu or simply hit m to jump straight to the
 mediaplayer, for example. You can also do ctrl + alt + f1 to change to
 a second login terminal and return to matchbox with ctrl + alt + f2.
 Numpty Physics works great with the keyboard shortcuts and I've sent
 an email or two using my employers web based email system, the
 keyboard and minimo. Essentially om2007.2 + keyboard = small sized
 linux desktop machine.

 There is a matchbox config file you can edit that will result in the
 mouse cursor being displayed - this should help your efforts there.

 Cheers,

 Joseph


 [1] http://blogs.thehumanjourney.net/finds/entry/20080716
 [2] http://blogs.thehumanjourney.net/finds/entry/20080730


 2008/8/19 Fox Mulder [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 Hi,

 i tried to use my logitech usb keyboard with the freerunner with no luck 
 so far.
 I'm using 2007.2 with the latest uBoot Image and latest kernel/system 
 updates.

 First i switched to usb hostmode and supplied the 5V to the usb port with 
 the following commands.

 echo host  /sys/devices/platform/s3c2410-ohci/usb_mode
 echo 1  /sys/devices/platform/neo1973-pm-host.0/hostmode

 After that i first tried it with an usb stick which works great. It was 
 recognized and i could
 access it as /dev/sda1.

 So far so good. Than i tried an usb mouse even when i didn't thought i 
 could use it, just for testing.
 I attached it (2x for testing) and it was recognized as hid device as 
 shown in the log. When i move the mouse
 and click the left button sometimes it seems to select applications in the 
 windowmanager, but i can't make
 any sensfull use with it.

 After that i came to the keyboard. I attached it (again 2x for testing) to 
 the neo it shows the enumeration
 in the logs and no errors. But now i can't do anything with the keyboard. 
 In an planet.openmoko.org article
 the keyboard is used in the terminal application. But i can't use it in 
 any application. I can't even change
 the led's for numlock oder shiftlock what makes me believe that the 
 keyboard isn't fully recognized by linux.
 I have no error messages like meantioned in the usb host wiki page, so i 
 think it should work without an usb
 hub.

 Has anybody successfully used an usb keyboard attached directly to the neo 
 and in which applications could it
 be used?
 Is there any step i'm missing after attaching the keyboard?


 Ciao,
 Rainer



 Log start for usb stick:
 
 Aug 18 21:53:44 IjonTichy user.warn kernel: s3c2410: changing usb to host

 Aug 18 21:54:53 IjonTichy user.info kernel: usb 1-2: new full speed USB 
 device using s3c2410-ohci and address 119
 Aug 18 21:54:54 IjonTichy user.info kernel: usb 1-2: configuration #1 
 chosen from 1 choice
 Aug 18 21:54:54 IjonTichy user.notice kernel: SCSI subsystem

Re: USB keyboard in hostmode?

Now i tested it with an usb hub but the behaviour is the same.
In the log it shows that it found the hub and after attaching the
keyboard it found both hid devices (keyboard and mouse). But again only
the mouse part works and the keyboard does nothing. The log doesn't show
any relevant difference when i connect the keyboard through the hub
compared to directly attached.

Ciao,
 Rainer

PS: The keyboard works with windows without any special driver. ;)

Jay Vaughan wrote:
 Maybe i should test it with a more simple usb keyboard without any  
 extra
 functions.

 
 You should test your USB keyboard with the Freerunner, using a USB  
 *HUB* in between, and see if that doesn't fix things.  IFAICT, there  
 are details not-yet-well-understood regarding the nature of the  
 termination and 'pull-up' resistor normally included on standard USB  
 Host ports which may not be included with the Freerunner hardware  
 design - meaning a simple female/female convertor isn't going to be  
 enough, there will need to be a cap and a resistor included in the  
 schematic in order to make the USB Host controller onboard the  
 Freerunner believe it is talking to a proper USB hub node.  If this  
 isn't there, the controller believes its only got a single device to  
 talk with, physically, and in your case this isn't true - you've got  
 two devices onboard.  So, you need the cap and resistor, I bet.
 
 Easiest way to get them: put a USB hub in between, and see if that  
 makes things better.
 
 
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Re: OpenMoko apps website ?

 couldn't all informations on applications be extracted from ipks ?
 Like what is done on http://packages.debian.org/stable/.

sadly, the ipks do not contain that kind of information.

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Re: gsm no longer registers on 2008.8

2008-08-19 Thread Harald Koenig

On Aug 19, Tim Coggins wrote:

 This is a known issue for 2008.8:
 
   http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/2008.8#Known_Issues

I had the same problem with 2007.2 and FSO too for a 
vodafone prepaid card in ireland recently.  

credit balance could be checked by calling *174# which never worked
with my FR -- I had to use a nokia phone to check :-(


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Re: OpenMoko apps website ?

2008-08-19 Thread Martin Šenkeřík

I think it would be enough to get required informations from
projects.openmoko.org and make it available for example the
http://maemo.org/downloads/OS2008/; way.

projects.openmoko.org for developers, gadgetery.openmoko.org for users
build on same database... ??

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Re: OpenMoko apps website ?

2008-08-19 Thread Jordan Keith

Has anyone thought of duplicating the iPhone App Store (in Moko colours 
of course) but making it add free to the cost every time you add an item 
to the cart?

i.e.


1 x TangoGPSFree
1 x Actual Bluetooth   Free
1 x World Clock Free
  _
Total:Free


OpenMoko. Free your phone.




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Re: OpenMoko apps website ?

On Tue, Aug 19, 2008 at 4:07 PM, Martin Šenkeřík
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I think it would be enough to get required informations from
 projects.openmoko.org and make it available for example the
 http://maemo.org/downloads/OS2008/; way.

 projects.openmoko.org for developers, gadgetery.openmoko.org for users
 build on same database... ??

The problem here is that all programs are not available in openmoko
projects. Some can be simple 10 row scripts that do magic, some can be
developed in other project sites.. launchpad, sourceforge etc..


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Re: OpenMoko apps website ?

On Tue, Aug 19, 2008 at 7:09 AM, Valerio Valerio [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


 besides projects.openmoko, I think OpenMoko should have a new website more
 oriented to the users, it all the OpenMoko applications organized by
 categories, with screenshots, small descriptions and also the direct link to
 the packages. Something like this: http://maemo.org/downloads/OS2008/


There is a website [1] for iPhone applications that looks pretty good. Maybe
the Openmoko site can be modeled after that. It's simple and looks nice.

[1] http://iphoneapplicationlist.com/
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Re: Qtopia Wlan gui

2008-08-19 Thread Daniel Benoy

There are a few other input methods you could try if it's too slow to use the 
one on screen:
1) Bluetooth keyboard (The wiki should tell you how)
2) USB keyboard (The wiki should tell you how to put the USB into host mode, 
you'll need a special cable)
3) Use the x2x program from your linux box like so (while connected via USB):
om-gta02# xhost +192.168.0.200
mycompy# x2x -from :0 -to 192.168.0.202:0 -west

Then move the mouse off the left side of your screen and start typing, it 
should appear on your phone.  I don't think copy and paste carries over, but 
you can try middle clicking (Which will also be a bit hard because the cursor 
is invisible on the phone) but with the keyboard things should be much easier 
to type.

On Saturday 16 August 2008 10:39:15 julien cubizolles wrote:
 I'm trying to setup a WAP protected wlan using the Qtopia gui but I'd
 rather not type my very-long-passphrase on the keyboard. Is there a way
 to do some copy-pasting to the right file (and which one is it) by ssh ?
 
 Julien.
 
 
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Re: Navit?

On Mon, Aug 18, 2008 at 09:37:15AM +0200, Jeffrey Ratcliffe wrote:
 Subject: Re: Navit?
 
 2008/8/18 Nathan Kinkade [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
  I assume it has to do with this:
  http://navit.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/navit?view=revrevision=1169
 
  I guess it's time for me to learn how to build packages for Openmoko.
 
 Or use
 
 http://www.acoveo.org/navit_0.1.0+svnrev1255-r0_armv4t.ipk
 
 which should have the patch applied.

This package seems to have dependencies/recommendations not beeing
satisfied in Om2008.8 - right ?

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Re: Navit?

On Tue, Aug 19, 2008 at 04:14:56PM +0200, Florian Lohoff wrote:
  http://www.acoveo.org/navit_0.1.0+svnrev1255-r0_armv4t.ipk
  
  which should have the patch applied.
 
 This package seems to have dependencies/recommendations not beeing
 satisfied in Om2008.8 - right ?

To fast - found the old thread ...

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Re: Navit?

2008-08-19 Thread Christ van Willegen

On Tue, Aug 19, 2008 at 4:19 PM, Florian Lohoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On Tue, Aug 19, 2008 at 04:14:56PM +0200, Florian Lohoff wrote:
  http://www.acoveo.org/navit_0.1.0+svnrev1255-r0_armv4t.ipk
 
  which should have the patch applied.

 This package seems to have dependencies/recommendations not beeing
 satisfied in Om2008.8 - right ?

 To fast - found the old thread ...

Are the instructions on the Wiki page still correct? It refers to
http://www.mikeasoft.com/~mike/ipk/armv4t/navit_0.0.4-r0_armv4t.ipk

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Re: Navit?

2008-08-19 Thread Jeffrey Ratcliffe

2008/8/19 Christ van Willegen [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 Are the instructions on the Wiki page still correct? It refers to
 http://www.mikeasoft.com/~mike/ipk/armv4t/navit_0.0.4-r0_armv4t.ipk

Now they are.

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Re: OpenMoko apps website ?

2008-08-19 Thread Lothar Behrens



Am 19.08.2008 um 13:09 schrieb Valerio Valerio:


what do you think ?



Good idea, but I also have my project on sourceforge. So why not doing  
it the freshmeat way and enable linking to
the origin project page. It would also be good to link to the homepage  
of the projects owner as an optional homepage

link.

Also the ipk 'repository' source is a good idea. If not all  
informations are available, why not adding that to the format ?


But I also think, there would always multible repositories or sources  
of an 'application directory'.


Another idea would be using a SOAP client for the developer to add  
additional information that will not be in the ipk file, but

automatically distributed to the web based repository.

The same SOAP client could be used for clientside application browsing  
with the functionality to install selected packages.


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Acoustic Position Measuring Device

Hey, gang, here's an idea: Use the Freerunner as an acoustic measuring
device. (This is just a brain dump and not super detailed.)

I got the idea while driving from Maine to New Jersey on Saturday during a
discussion with my brother about an article I had read [1]. We were trying
to think of potential applications that can replace physical objects. He
jokingly said, a ruler. We first laughed at the image of someone using the
screen to measure some tiny object, but then about an hour later I began to
puzzle over the problem. I teach high school physics, so I naturally thought
of all the different Pasco and LabPro sensors that can be hooked to the
Freerunner via USB. When I came to the motion sensor [2] I remembered our
ruler joke and figured the Freerunner can be a ruler or measuring tape if
the motion sensor was connected to it. But then I remembered how the motion
sensor works; the sensor emits a sound pressure wave (a chirp), the chirp
bounces off an object, and the sensor senses the returning chirp. We don't
need a sensor, the Freerunner already has the necessary hardware: a speaker
and a microphone.

1) Through the speaker emit a chirp at an initial clock reading (t_i) and
lasting a known time interval (T_i).
2) The chirp is reflected off an object.
3) Through the microphone sense the returning chirp and measure the clock
reading (t_f) and the chirp time interval (T_f).
4) Find the distance (d) to an object using the relationship
d = (t_f - t_i)(v)
   where v is the speed of sound.
5) Determine the object's speed (s) relative to Freerunner (s = 0 for a good
distance measurement) using the relationship
   s = (v * Ti_i)/(T_f) - v

The microphone would sense the chirp as it travels directly from the speaker
to microphone, so some small time interval should pass before the
application starts using microphone data as being bounced off an object.
However, given that the speaker-to-microphone distance is known, we may be
able to calculate the speed of sound using time interval during the chirp's
travel directly from speaker to microphone.

Since we can measure the distance of an object from the Freerunner, we can
also get velocity and acceleration just like the motion sensor [2].

I won't have a Freerunner until they are back in stock and the NYC sales
group picks up another ten pack, so I can't do any real work yet. However,
I'll draw up some pseudo code after I get some comments on this.

I have a few questions
1) Are the any technical obstacles to this idea?
2) What is the frequency range of the speaker?
3) What is the frequency range of the microphone?
4) Any other comments of ideas?

-Charles Edward Pax

[1]
http://mashable.com/2008/07/28/iphone-apps-that-will-clean-out-you-junk-drawer/
[2] http://www.vernier.com/probes/md-btd.html
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Re: Re: Garbled SMS messages with OM2008.8?

2008-08-19 Thread Matthew Lane

Tim Erwin wrote:
 I've been running OM2008.8 on my freerunner for a little over a week now.
 For about a week, SMS's worked fine, but for the last few days the SMSs I
 receive have been garbled - a mixture of characters like ?Èù¥£ì
 

 I only get garbled messages from my service provider. This is when I
 miss a call and I should get a SMS to say that I have voice mail
 message please cal 212 but with the qtopia 080808 image I get a
 similar garbled result.

 Regards,

 Tim


   
I also get garbled text messages sometimes.  Usually a great deal of 
them, that make no sense, and sometimes numbers that I've never heard of 
(eg. 611211) or something along those lines.

Some kind of data corruption?  I'm using Qtopia 20080808.

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Re: Navit patch for faster map dragging

On Mon, Aug 18, 2008 at 12:36:18PM +1000, Dale Maggee wrote:
 Subject: Re: Navit patch for faster map dragging
 
 Florian Hackenberger wrote:
  On Sunday 17 August 2008, Lothar Behrens wrote:

  I had the same issue, but doing the same with -nodeps worked here
  too.
  
  Sorry, forgot to mention that the ipk dependencies are a mess. You need 
  the -force-depends option (-nodeps is similar).

 Thanks, but now I get this:
 
 ** (process:1704): WARNING **: can't load '/usr/lib/navit/*/lib*.so', 
 Error '/usr/lib/navit/*/lib*.so: cannot open shared object file: No such 
 file or directory'
 
 navit:vehicle_new:invalid type 'gpsd'
 navit:map_new:invalid type 'binfile'
 
 ** (process:1704): WARNING **: no gui
 
 Using 'navit.xml'
 No instance has been created, exiting
 
 
 doing 'ls -R /usr/lib/navit/' gives me a list of all the libraries set 
 out in a directory structure, so the libraries are there... any Ideas 
 why it's not finding them?

I am seeing the same issue - have you found a solution? I compared the
strace with the x86 version which works for me and interestingly i dont
think something like:

1699  stat64(/usr/lib/navit/*/lib*.so, 0xbe9c0a78) = -1 ENOENT (No such file 
or directory)
1699  stat64(/usr/lib/navit/*/lib*.so.so, 0xbe9c0a78) = -1 ENOENT (No such 
file or directory)
1699  stat64(/usr/lib/navit/*/lib*.so.la, 0xbe9c0a78) = -1 ENOENT (No such 
file or directory)

can ever work. stat(64) will never glob * so this is really bogus.

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Re: Acoustic Position Measuring Device

2008-08-19 Thread Andrew Burgess

On Tue, Aug 19, 2008 at 7:49 AM, Charles Pax [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hey, gang, here's an idea: Use the Freerunner as an acoustic measuring
 device.

An application like this exists on the OLPC XO written in python. I
think it's called 'Measure'. Rather than using reflected sound it uses
a second laptop to hear the sound and the clock sync is done via WiFi.
Differences aside, perhaps it will give you some ideas/code. At least
you know such a thing is possible with low fidelity speakers and
microphones :-)

HTH

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Re: Acoustic Position Measuring Device

On Tue, Aug 19, 2008 at 16:49, Charles Pax [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I have a few questions
 1) Are the any technical obstacles to this idea?
 2) What is the frequency range of the speaker?
 3) What is the frequency range of the microphone?
 4) Any other comments of ideas?


I would think main problem is microphone sensitivity/speaker strength.
Hard to get over noise.
But I am curious to know to what point this could work !

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Re: Acoustic Position Measuring Device

On Tue, Aug 19, 2008 at 17:09, Cédric Berger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I would think main problem is microphone sensitivity/speaker strength.
 Hard to get over noise.
 But I am curious to know to what point this could work !


mmm and probably also reflections caused by objects closer than
the one to mesure (even within the phone itself). Even more since the
speaker is not directional. And it is difficult not to have other
objects in range ! (operator,)
This problem is solved for the OLPC example, if there is 2 laptops.
(first sound received is ok for measurement, any other reflection
comes later).

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Re: Acoustic Position Measuring Device

On Tue, Aug 19, 2008 at 11:09 AM, Cédric Berger
[EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote:


 I would think main problem is microphone sensitivity/speaker strength.
 Hard to get over noise.
 But I am curious to know to what point this could work !


Uncertainty in the measurement would be an issue, but to what degree I do
not know. I think this could at least be accurate enough to adequately
measure the length of a couch while shopping.

The Vernier device [1] is pretty accurate:
SPECIFICATIONS
- ultrasound frequency: 50 kHz
- resolution: 1 mm
- accuracy: 2 mm
- range: MD-BTD - 0.15 m to 6 m
MDO-BTD - 0.5 m to 6 m
- speed of ultrasound used to calculate distance: 343 m/s
- power: 51 mA while running

-Charles Edward Pax

[1] http://www.vernier.com/til/1374.html
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Re: Navit patch for faster map dragging

 doing 'ls -R /usr/lib/navit/' gives me a list of all the libraries set
 out in a directory structure, so the libraries are there... any Ideas
 why it's not finding them?


quick idea: set LD_LIBRARY_PATH, but ...

 1699  stat64(/usr/lib/navit/*/lib*.so, 0xbe9c0a78) = -1 ENOENT (No

these * look odd. did you put them in  there or are the really from navit?

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Re: Raster's Image and chatting on the moko!

2008-08-19 Thread Yogiz

On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 00:43:20 -0500
Dan Staley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hi everyone,
 
 I recently flashed an image created by Raster (from a recent version
 of the ASU dev tree but with his modifications...most noticably the
 keyboard is changed to a modified version of the illume keyboard...and
 very works very well!)  I think Raster mentioned that it can accept
 any dictionary file for the predictive part of the keyboard, and you
 can easily switch dictionaries with the top left button.  (Not to
 mention there is a full qwerty keyboard option included!  Terminal
 friendly ASU!)
 ---

I hope that the fixes and upgrades will be backported to ASU so we can
enjoy all the good things in the main tree with official upgrades. If
that image is as good as you say it is, good job Raster!

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Re: SIP on Debian

2008-08-19 Thread Yogiz

On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 19:53:05 +1000
Peter Schwenke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 SIP is looking very promising on Debian.  I installed ekiga and
 linphone and have had some success with both.  Nothing fancy - just
 apt-get install.
 
 Calls can be successfully initiated and received on linphone.  Ekiga
 does work as well and I have received video but it didn't cope too
 well.
 
 The problem is with the audio.  I can hear the ring for an incoming
 call using stereoout.state.  Once the call is picked up I can hear
 the other end.
 
 Fiddling with alsa mixer I was able to get the other end to hear me
 from the phone speaker.
 
 So some work with the alsa setting and we should have VOIP and maybe
 even some video conferencing.
 
   Regards
   ...Peter
Well done, thank you.

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Re: Navit patch for faster map dragging

On Tue, Aug 19, 2008 at 05:23:14PM +0200, arne anka wrote:
  doing 'ls -R /usr/lib/navit/' gives me a list of all the libraries set
  out in a directory structure, so the libraries are there... any Ideas
  why it's not finding them?
 
 quick idea: set LD_LIBRARY_PATH, but ...
 
  1699  stat64(/usr/lib/navit/*/lib*.so, 0xbe9c0a78) = -1 ENOENT (No
 
 these * look odd. did you put them in  there or are the really from navit?

The problem is that the navit package contains only so.0.0.0 libs and .so.0
symlinks - navit trys to open the libs with a simple .so 

Broken package.

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Debian Install failure: Hash Sum Mismatch

2008-08-19 Thread Joseph Reeves

Following the instructions on the Debian wiki, but I get Hash Sum
Mismath errors on the whilst it fetches packages for apt. Sorry for
the big cut and paste, but it works until here then dies. Tried twice,
both times it fails at the same point:

Get:605 http://ftp2.de.debian.org unstable/main
gstreamer0.10-plugins-bad 0.10.7-2 [993kB]
Get:606 http://ftp2.de.debian.org unstable/main mtd-utils 20080508-1 [287kB]
Get:607 http://ftp2.de.debian.org experimental/main python-ecore 0.2.1-2 [295kB]
Get:608 http://ftp2.de.debian.org experimental/main python-evas 0.2.1-2 [374kB]
Fetched 5899kB in 7min35s (13.0kB/s)
Failed to fetch
http://ftp2.de.debian.org/debian/pool/main/x/xorg/x11-common_7.3+15_all.deb
 Hash Sum mismatch
Failed to fetch
http://ftp2.de.debian.org/debian/pool/main/libx/libxau/libxau6_1.0.3-3_armel.deb
 Hash Sum mismatch
Failed to fetch
http://ftp2.de.debian.org/debian/pool/main/libx/libxdmcp/libxdmcp6_1.0.2-3_armel.deb
 Hash Sum mismatch
Failed to fetch
http://ftp2.de.debian.org/debian/pool/main/libx/libxcb/libxcb1_1.1-1.1_armel.deb
 Hash Sum mismatch
Failed to fetch
http://ftp2.de.debian.org/debian/pool/main/libx/libx11/libx11-data_1.1.4-2_all.deb
 Hash Sum mismatch
Failed to fetch
http://ftp2.de.debian.org/debian/pool/main/libx/libx11/libx11-6_1.1.4-2_armel.deb
 Hash Sum mismatch
Failed to fetch
http://ftp2.de.debian.org/debian/pool/main/libx/libxfixes/libxfixes3_4.0.3-2_armel.deb
 Hash Sum mismatch
Failed to fetch
http://ftp2.de.debian.org/debian/pool/main/libi/libice/libice6_1.0.4-1_armel.deb
 Hash Sum mismatch
Failed to fetch
http://ftp2.de.debian.org/debian/pool/main/libs/libsm/libsm6_1.0.3-2_armel.deb
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Failed to fetch
http://ftp2.de.debian.org/debian/pool/main/libx/libxt/libxt6_1.0.5-3_armel.deb
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http://ftp2.de.debian.org/debian/pool/main/libx/libxext/libxext6_1.0.4-1_armel.deb
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Failed to fetch
http://ftp2.de.debian.org/debian/pool/main/libx/libxpm/libxpm4_3.5.7-1_armel.deb
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Failed to fetch
http://ftp2.de.debian.org/debian/pool/main/libx/libxaw/libxaw7_1.0.4-2_armel.deb
 Hash Sum mismatch
Failed to fetch
http://ftp2.de.debian.org/debian/pool/main/g/gmp/libgmp3c2_4.2.2+dfsg-3_armel.deb
 Hash Sum mismatch
Failed to fetch
http://ftp2.de.debian.org/debian/pool/main/m/mpfr/libmpfr1ldbl_2.3.1.dfsg.1-2_armel.deb
 Hash Sum mismatch
Failed to fetch
http://ftp2.de.debian.org/debian/pool/main/g/gcc-4.3/cpp-4.3_4.3.1-9_armel.deb
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Failed to fetch
http://ftp2.de.debian.org/debian/pool/main/g/gcc-defaults/cpp_4.3.1-2_armel.deb
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http://ftp2.de.debian.org/debian/pool/main/x/x11-xkb-utils/x11-xkb-utils_7.4+1_armel.deb
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http://ftp2.de.debian.org/debian/pool/main/libx/libxi/libxi6_1.1.3-1_armel.deb
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http://ftp2.de.debian.org/debian/pool/main/libx/libxmu/libxmuu1_1.0.4-1_armel.deb
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http://ftp2.de.debian.org/debian/pool/main/libx/libxrender/libxrender1_0.9.4-2_armel.deb
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http://ftp2.de.debian.org/debian/pool/main/libx/libxrandr/libxrandr2_1.2.3-1_armel.deb
 Hash Sum mismatch
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http://ftp2.de.debian.org/debian/pool/main/libx/libxtrap/libxtrap6_1.0.0-5_armel.deb
 Hash Sum mismatch
Failed to fetch
http://ftp2.de.debian.org/debian/pool/main/libx/libxxf86misc/libxxf86misc1_1.0.1-3_armel.deb
 Hash Sum mismatch
Failed to fetch
http://ftp2.de.debian.org/debian/pool/main/libx/libxxf86vm/libxxf86vm1_1.0.2-1_armel.deb
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Failed to fetch
http://ftp2.de.debian.org/debian/pool/main/x/xbitmaps/xbitmaps_1.0.1-2_all.deb
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http://ftp2.de.debian.org/debian/pool/main/libg/libgpg-error/libgpg-error0_1.4-2_armel.deb
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http://ftp2.de.debian.org/debian/pool/main/libg/libgcrypt11/libgcrypt11_1.4.1-1_armel.deb
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http://ftp2.de.debian.org/debian/pool/main/g/gdbm/libgdbm3_1.8.3-3_armel.deb
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http://ftp2.de.debian.org/debian/pool/main/libt/libtasn1-3/libtasn1-3_1.4-1_armel.deb
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http://ftp2.de.debian.org/debian/pool/main/g/gnutls26/libgnutls26_2.4.1-1_armel.deb
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http://ftp2.de.debian.org/debian/pool/main/l/lzo2/liblzo2-2_2.03-1_armel.deb
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http://ftp2.de.debian.org/debian/pool/main/n/ncurses/libncursesw5_5.6+20080804-1_armel.deb
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http://ftp2.de.debian.org/debian/pool/main/n/newt/libnewt0.52_0.52.2-11.3_armel.deb
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http://ftp2.de.debian.org/debian/pool/main/p/popt/libpopt0_1.14-4_armel.deb
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http://ftp2.de.debian.org/debian/pool/main/c/cyrus-sasl2/libsasl2-2_2.1.22.dfsg1-22_armel.deb
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Failed to fetch
http://ftp2.de.debian.org/debian/pool/main/n/newt/whiptail_0.52.2-11.3_armel.deb
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Re: Acoustic Position Measuring Device

2008-08-19 Thread Kyle Kerr

Charles Pax wrote:
 On Tue, Aug 19, 2008 at 11:09 AM, C


  

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Re: OpenMoko apps website ?

2008-08-19 Thread Thomas Bertani

maybe I could make a site where list all the apps. I could keep syncked the
apps db. ok? oO

2008/8/19 Lothar Behrens [EMAIL PROTECTED]


 Am 19.08.2008 um 13:09 schrieb Valerio Valerio:

 what do you think ?


 Good idea, but I also have my project on sourceforge. So why not doing it
 the freshmeat way and enable linking tothe origin project page. It would
 also be good to link to the homepage of the projects owner as an optional
 homepage
 link.

 Also the ipk 'repository' source is a good idea. If not all informations
 are available, why not adding that to the format ?

 But I also think, there would always multible repositories or sources of an
 'application directory'.

 Another idea would be using a SOAP client for the developer to add
 additional information that will not be in the ipk file, but
 automatically distributed to the web based repository.

 The same SOAP client could be used for clientside application browsing with
 the functionality to install selected packages.

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Re: Raster's Image and chatting on the moko!

2008-08-19 Thread Cédric DUFOUIL

The video is not available anymore ... Can you fix it please ? I couldn't
see it.

Thanks
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Re: GPRS working / gsm0710mux (was: (somewhat) with T-Mobile and Freerunner)

2008-08-19 Thread Benedikt Schindler

ok. i found out, that a upgrade from gsm0710mux is the problem.
they now have a different service name for the muxer.
it isn't org.pyneo.muxer anymore it's now org.mobile.mux.

you could edit /etc/X11/Xsession.d/89qtopia so it uses the new term,
(and also the /usr/bin/gprson script)
or add an additional service file to /usr/share/dbus-1/system-services/

--

[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# cat 
/usr/share/dbus-1/system-services/org.pyneo.muxer.service
[D-BUS Service]
Name=org.pyneo.muxer
#Name=org.freesmartphone.GSM.MUX
Exec=/usr/bin/gsm0710muxd
User=root

---

But now i have the problem that i get this errors in my log:

Aug 16 22:26:45 om-gta02 user.notice root: Waiting for pid: 1545
Aug 16 22:26:47 om-gta02 user.notice root: ficgta01hardware plugin
Aug 16 22:26:48 om-gta02 user.notice root: Modem :  opening serial 
device  /dev/ttySAC0  at  115200
Aug 16 22:26:48 om-gta02 user.notice root: Modem :  Device: 
/dev/ttySAC0 is a tty device: True
Aug 16 22:26:48 om-gta02 user.notice root: Modem :  NONBLOCK 
successfully reset
Aug 16 22:26:48 om-gta02 user.notice root: Modem :  Opened  /dev/ttySAC0
Aug 16 22:26:48 om-gta02 user.notice root: Modem :  querying multiplexer 
plugin ficgta01multiplex
Aug 16 22:26:48 om-gta02 user.notice root: AtChat :  T : ^Z
Aug 16 22:26:58 om-gta02 user.notice root: Mux :  *** mux setup timed 
out ***
Aug 16 22:26:58 om-gta02 user.notice root: AtChat :  T : ^Z
[last two lines repeat until a exit of the programm]


I think the T should be an AT. so i try some different gsm0710mux  
today.
maybe i found something that works.

cu later

[btw:  answers from could have some delay, because i am on vacation and 
i don't have often internet without my gprs working on the freerunner.]

arne anka schrieb:
 On Thu, 14 Aug 2008 18:56:11 +0200, Michael 'Mickey' Lauer  
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

   
 org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.AccessDenied:
 

 according to google there seem to be a few messages with a similar problem  
 -- dbus.freedesktop.org mentions that dbus includes security policies but  
 nothing more. security by obscurity, i guess ...
 anyway, there was one report from ubuntu stating that restarting dbus  
 fixed the issue, but probably because he did some upgrading.
 else look into /etc/debus-1/ and check the files there, it seems like  
 there are policy definitions.

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Re: Site reviewing all distros needed? (was: Re: Raster's Image and chatting on the moko!)

2008-08-19 Thread Michael Shiloh



Georg Michelitsch wrote:
 Risto H. Kurppa wrote on 08/19/2008 11:09 AM:
 On Tue, Aug 19, 2008 at 11:25 AM, Robert William Hutton
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   
 http://download.enlightenment.org/misc/
 
 Yet Another Fork.. :/

 I would really like to see a site or wiki page where all these (about
 10) distros would be reviewed and compared every x weeks or so.. One
 could compare the availability of software (gprs, web, gps),
 stability, power saving features, ability to make phone calls and so
 on and maybe also list 'biggest annoyances' that then could hopefully
 be focused on by the developers/community.

 Is there anyone who could do this?


 r

   
 
 I think this wiki page aims what you're looking for. I'm not sure if its
 _very_ up-to-date and complete but its quite useful in this state.
 
 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Distributions
 

This really is the intention of that wiki page, but we can't keep up 
with testing each distribution. I will be putting more time into testing 
the different distros.

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Re: GPRS working / gsm0710mux (works now for me)

2008-08-19 Thread Benedikt Schindler

Hi,

some corrections on my own mail.
first off all it works now for me.
second, it's not an update that causes the problem it is not to
update... :)

the whole howto on freeyourphone.de is written for the
Om2007.2/ASU-buildhost version.

2008/8/12 xaos x [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

I actually finally got it working by using the article from freeyourphone
that uses the multiplexing package.

http://freeyourphone.de/portal_v1/viewtopic.php?f=21t=295start=0st=0sk=tsd=asid=dda5c6cbf5850182c786488123f056ce

It will receive calls and make calls while connected to GPRS using this
setup.

-Tom

it is not for an Om2008.8. the only reason why it worked for some people was,
that they used the buildhost feeds again.
(What is absolutly the wrong thing to do ! - But i did it too in the first time)
So for them it all works fine.

Now i have the correct feeds, and the howto doesn't work anymore.
That is because of a different version of the gsm0710muxd application.

The howto works fine also with Om2008.8.
You just have to install these package before you use the howto from
freeyourphone:

opkg -force-depends install
http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily-feed/armv4t/gsm0710muxd_0.9.1+gitr1+3ff86b129640b647ccba3d86eb243d864671b039-r0_armv4t.ipk

Attention: just use this package, and no other packages from this host!
This host is normaly not compatible with the Om2008.8 !!!

have a nice time with gprs until the offical gprs is comming up soon.

cu all
Beni

P.S.:
the mokoservice.py doesn't work for me.
i use gprson gprsqison to get into it.
sometimes it doesn't work on the first time, and i have to try it a
litle bit later again.

Benedikt Schindler schrieb:
ok. i found out, that a upgrade from gsm0710mux is the problem.
they now have a different service name for the muxer.
it isn't org.pyneo.muxer anymore it's now org.mobile.mux.

you could edit /etc/X11/Xsession.d/89qtopia so it uses the new term,
(and also the /usr/bin/gprson script)
or add an additional service file to /usr/share/dbus-1/system-services/

[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# cat
/usr/share/dbus-1/system-services/org.pyneo.muxer.service
[D-BUS Service]
Name=org.pyneo.muxer
#Name=org.freesmartphone.GSM.MUX
Exec=/usr/bin/gsm0710muxd
User=root

---

But now i have the problem that i get this errors in my log:

Aug 16 22:26:45 om-gta02 user.notice root: Waiting for pid: 1545
Aug 16 22:26:47 om-gta02 user.notice root: ficgta01hardware plugin
Aug 16 22:26:48 om-gta02 user.notice root: Modem : opening serial
device /dev/ttySAC0 at 115200
Aug 16 22:26:48 om-gta02 user.notice root: Modem : Device:
/dev/ttySAC0 is a tty device: True
Aug 16 22:26:48 om-gta02 user.notice root: Modem : NONBLOCK
successfully reset
Aug 16 22:26:48 om-gta02 user.notice root: Modem : Opened /dev/ttySAC0
Aug 16 22:26:48 om-gta02 user.notice root: Modem : querying multiplexer
plugin ficgta01multiplex
Aug 16 22:26:48 om-gta02 user.notice root: AtChat : T : ^Z
Aug 16 22:26:58 om-gta02 user.notice root: Mux : *** mux setup timed
out ***
Aug 16 22:26:58 om-gta02 user.notice root: AtChat : T : ^Z
[last two lines repeat until a exit of the programm]

I think the T should be an AT. so i try some different gsm0710mux
today.
maybe i found something that works.

cu later

[btw: answers from could have some delay, because i am on vacation and
i don't have often internet without my gprs working on the freerunner.]

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Re: FSO: how to disable zhone screen locking?

2008-08-19 Thread Michael 'Mickey' Lauer

Am Dienstag 19 August 2008 06:03:53 schrieb Russell Sears:
 Is there a better way to configure zhone than editing its source? ;)

I'm afraid not. Zhone is just the framework testing UI and the framework team 
only does the minimum amount of work to get the framework features exposed. 
(The future of Zhone is completely unclear. I'd like to redo this in a sane 
way, this time with a UI and usability concept, but that looks like a ten 
years sparetime job ;).

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Re: Acoustic Position Measuring Device

The problem with having an external speaker or microphone is that such a
solution does not simplify the situation. Sure, it would make the Freerunner
(plus some stuff) into a measuring device, but if we need a second piece of
hardware to take measurement, we may as well just carry around a tape
measure. Oh well.

So the theory seems plausible. When I get my Freerunner (when are they back
in stock?!) I'll have to do some testing. Thanks for the input, folks.

-Charles
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Phone that works on all networks? Not necessarily symotaniously.

2008-08-19 Thread Jeff Sadowski

I understand the openmoko phone works on GSM networks? I think I read
somewhere that Verizon uses CDMA and not GSM. Are there plans to have
a phone that will connect to a CDMA network? Is there a way to
incorporate say like a module to add/remove to use any cellular
network you want? Not that I want to use verizon or att or any
network in particular but I would like a choice. At this point in time
I hate cell phones and cell phone networks; I have high hopes for this
project to maybe standardize the industry. One OS to rule them all. As
is now the same cell phone for different companies works way different
example: a razor for verizon is way different then a razor for ATT. I
was looking at the menus and options and they are so different I
wouldn't even consider it the same phone. I'd like to see the same
options across the board from att to verizon to tmoble ... The one
thing I couldn't find on the ATT interface for the razor was the
Airplane mode. Airplane mode turns off the radio so that if you are in
a place with no reception you don't waist your batteries and can still
use your phone for the other tasks like snapping a quick picture when
you don't have your real camera next to you. Or an alarm clock or
calculator or ...
I live in Albuquerque NM I'm wondering if I even have a choice of any
networks that I could use the openmoko project with. I would like to
get started with it. It interests me.

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Lock version of package with opkg

2008-08-19 Thread shawnzier

I'm using the scaredycat repo and gpsd doesn't seem to work right. Is
there any way to lock the old version so I can do an 'opkg upgrade'
without upgrading gpsd?

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Re: Debian Install failure: Hash Sum Mismatch

 I ha(ve|d) this problem today, too, but don't know about any cause or
 solution...

i step in the right direction would have been to shorten the mail before  
replying ;-)

first thing i'd try would be
apt-get update  apt-get upgrade
if the errors persist, either your sd card is faulty or apt has issues or  
the infamous sd card bug strikes again (how big is your sd card?) ...

download the archive(s) manually and compare the checksums
# apt-cache show fso-utils
Package: fso-utils
Version: 0.git20080812.2
Architecture: all
Maintainer: Joachim Breitner [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Installed-Size: 76
Depends: python-dbus, python
Suggests: gsm0710muxd
Priority: extra
Section: misc
Filename: pool/main/f/fso-utils/fso-utils_0.git20080812.2_all.deb
Size: 11872
SHA256: a294c93a0ab62b54d30009bd14a234be43b4a9e11d4c5ea9d081eff7644d846a
SHA1: 67fbec63110961999e3e3dde81316e251e71baf5
MD5sum: 6134ea91b8da82d393a13ef012e907db
Description: Useful tools for the freesmartphone.org system
  TODO


MD5sum has the md5sum (surprise), now do
# md5sum fso-utils_0.git20080812.2_all.deb
6134ea91b8da82d393a13ef012e907db  fso-utils_0.git20080812.2_all.deb

if the sums are the same, the package is most likely ok. put it into  
/var/cache/apt/archives/.
do so with the others.
now do
apt-get upgrade
it should work now -- if not you're probably out of look with your sd card.

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Re: OpenMoko apps website ?

On Tue, Aug 19, 2008 at 7:14 PM, Thomas Bertani [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 maybe I could make a site where list all the apps. I could keep syncked the
 apps db. ok? oO

That would be a start but the problem is that only very little
programs are in the repositories and the don't contain the description
of the program. In addition to this a link to the program homepage
would be needed.

Maybe something like getdeb.net - shor description, screenshot, links
to download images.


r

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Re: USB keyboard in hostmode?

I think i found the problem why the keyboard isn't working.
I went to a friend and after a few tests with his usb keyboard we found
out, that the keyboard works, but only within the console and not in the
X environment. After a short search i found a ticket which exactly
describes my problem:

http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1796
which is related to
http://git.openmoko.org/?p=xglamo.git;a=commit;h=cddd780c527fe923c55c1fa385fd909c419f024e

As solution zecke meantioned to upgrade to the latest Xglamo version
which fixes this bug. But for my currently installed 2007.2 the latest
version in the repository is

xserver-kdrive-glamo-1:1.3.0.0+git1+4067470ea4d569bae7b4161ca998645a0c9b96e7-r6

which seems to be broken. And i don't want to install 2008.8 because it
lacks too much at the moment.

So how could i update my xserver-kdrive-glamo to a newer version where
the usb keyboard problem is fixed?

Ciao,
 Rainer

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GPRS on Debian

2008-08-19 Thread Greg Bonett

Should the script for gprs on FSO at
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GPRS_FSO work on a Debian install?  It
doesn't seem to be working for me.  Is there a package I need to install
for it to work?
Thanks.

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Re: OpenMoko apps website ?

2008-08-19 Thread Knight Walker

On Tue, 2008-08-19 at 12:09 +0100, Valerio Valerio wrote: 
 Hi,
 
 besides projects.openmoko, I think OpenMoko should have a new website
 more oriented to the users, it all the OpenMoko applications organized
 by categories, with screenshots, small descriptions and also the
 direct link to the packages. Something like this:
 http://maemo.org/downloads/OS2008/
 
 Sometimes I go to the  screenshots area of linuxtogo and I see very
 cool app running on the FR there, but a lot of times I don't know what
 app is, this new site will resolve this lack for sure.
 
 When OpenMoko goes to prime time, and non technical people get in
 touch it the phone this application site will give a lot of help to
 those people that don't know all the free apps that can install in the
 phone.
 
 what do you think ?

I like the idea, but I think we can do it a few steps better.

1) Rather than downloading the ipkg/opkg file through the browser (Which
isn't a bad idea, see 2) using some kind of URL such as
opkg://install?pkg=pkgname or opkg://install?repo=extraspkg=pkgname.
That way a site could have screenshots, news, changelogs, user reviews,
etc. but not have to keep up with the latest rev of some of the more
rapidly-developing software.

2) For packages that aren't in repos (shocking I know), opkg could have
a local-install option similar to yum and dpkg that will satisfy unmet
dependencies from available repositories making the downloads smaller
(If it doesn't already). The ipkg/opkg file gets downloaded then passed
to opkg which takes it from there.

3) Not strictly related to this problem, but one of the things that has
really endeared me to yum is the ability to install/update repos with a
single RPM file. No mucking around editing a .cfg file to add/remove
repos, just drop a formatted .repo file in the appropriate directory and
all the yum-enabled package managers start using it. (Again, assuming
this isn't something opkg does already) 

So in conclusion, I like the idea. Something like
software.openmoko.org or mokosoftware.org that has all sorts of
goodies like categories, notifications, RSS feeds, a mobile front-end
(maybe just a CSS target) suitable for browsing right from a Moko
device, etc. Too bad the source to Freshmeat isn't available.

However, I would like to see package files contain better meta-data
(e.g. a decent description, a Homepage URL, and a License tag so you can
determine if it's something you want to install BEFORE you commit it to
your device).

-KW


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Re: USB keyboards silent in terminal (FSO)

2008-08-19 Thread Benito Torres

I dare to jump in as I have the same problem.

On Sun, Aug 10, 2008 at 12:39 (+0200), Fredrik Wendt wrote:
 sön 2008-08-10 klockan 13:00 +0300 skrev Timo Juhani Lindfors:
  What does lsof | grep glamo print?

glamo-spi  172   root  cwdDIR   31,6   0 1 /
glamo-spi  172   root  rtdDIR   31,6   0 1 /

(Same with and without keyboard plugged in.)


  What appears to dmesg when you plug the keyboard in?

usb-keyboard (through an usb-socket to mini-usb-plug-converter).

usb 1-2: new low speed USB device using s3c2410-ohci and address 2
usb 1-2: configuration #1 chosen from 1 choice
input: HID 046a:0021 as 
/devices/platform/s3c2410-ohci/usb1/1-2/1-2:1.0/input/input7
input: USB HID v1.11 Keyboard [HID 046a:0021] on usb-s3c24xx-2
input: HID 046a:0021 as 
/devices/platform/s3c2410-ohci/usb1/1-2/1-2:1.1/input/input8
input: USB HID v1.11 Device [HID 046a:0021] on usb-s3c24xx-2


ps/2-keyboard (through an additional usb-ps/2-converter):

usb 1-2: new low speed USB device using s3c2410-ohci and address 2
usb 1-2: configuration #1 chosen from 1 choice
input: CHESEN PS2 to USB Converter as 
/devices/platform/s3c2410-ohci/usb1/1-2/1-2:1.0/input/input9
input: USB HID v1.10 Keyboard [CHESEN PS2 to USB Converter] on usb-s3c24xx-2
input: CHESEN PS2 to USB Converter as 
/devices/platform/s3c2410-ohci/usb1/1-2/1-2:1.1/input/input10
input: USB HID v1.10 Mouse [CHESEN PS2 to USB Converter] on usb-s3c24xx-2


Any ideas?

Cheers,
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RE: MokSec - The Security Framework

2008-08-19 Thread Knight Walker

Apologies for the tardiness of this post.

On Mon, 2008-07-14 at 10:57 -0400, Crane, Matthew wrote: 
 I would think on a phone the primary concern is protecting the user
 data.  
 
 E.g. sms, contacts, history. 
 
 If somebody was able to malicously install software on the phone, your
 pretty much already [EMAIL PROTECTED]'ed.  Not letting it call out helps, but 
 it's
 already defeated.  I'm assuming we're not installing a lot of new
 unknowns on a secure device, and anything trying to make network
 connections is evol. 

You're forgetting a large attack vector: social engineering. It doesn't
require someone being able to maliciously install something for it to
get on your system, especially once Moko repositories start to flourish
and organizations setup their own for specific apps/purposes.

Additionally, having used several mobile phones (Smart and otherwise)
often it is helpful to be able to decide what abilities a piece of
downloaded software will have (e.g. a game doesn't need to look at my
address book).

You're also assuming that it's a secure device and that the owner will
know how to keep it that way. From experience, I can tell you that as
soon as non-geeks get a hold of this phone (Presumably sometime this
fall) device security will go out the window.

 I've been picturing running an encrypted rootfs image off an SD card.
 There could be multiple encrypted rootfs images, only one would be the
 real one, or they all could be used for different reasons.

Not a bad idea. I had to do something similar with my Zaurus 5500
several years ago because 14M of storage is not enough. However with the
FreeRunner, I do actually want to keep my rootfs on the rootfs and use
the card(s) for different data sets.

 Once the system boots it's up to the user to unlock the keys to the
 encrypted image to be used and that gets booted from the already running
 kernel. 

Then what happens if you leave the system in sleep mode and accidentally
leave it somewhere and it wanders off? You've unlocked the rootfs
already, so as long as the attacker doesn't reboot the phone, they've
got access.

-KW


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FSO icons missing

2008-08-19 Thread Daniel MT

Hey.
I installed fso on my freerunner but I noticed that the calculator and
calendar icons are missing. Is there any package I can install to solve the
problem?.

Thanks.
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Re: Site reviewing all distros needed? (was: Re: Raster's Image and chatting on the moko!)

 This really is the intention of that wiki page, but we can't keep up
 with testing each distribution. I will be putting more time into  
 testing
 the different distros.


i think there should be more of a 'news and current details' sort of  
site, more than an authoritative list-of-distro's currently running,  
sort of thing .. sort of active pimpage.


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Re: Acoustic Position Measuring Device

2008-08-19 Thread Russell Sears

Charles Pax wrote:
 The problem with having an external speaker or microphone is that such a
 solution does not simplify the situation. Sure, it would make the Freerunner
 (plus some stuff) into a measuring device, but if we need a second piece of
 hardware to take measurement, we may as well just carry around a tape
 measure. Oh well.

Right, but I need to have a hands free headset so I can listen to music, 
so it's not a second piece of hardware.  Admittedly, I could put a piece 
of tape on the cord every inch and get the same effect...

I wonder if there's some other application of sending out a chirp and 
recording it.  Maybe the FR could use echo to characterize acoustic 
environments.  Then it would know if you've left it in a drawer, pocket, 
car, concert hall, etc...

There's also echo cancellation, which the FR desperately needs, and is a 
similar trick.

 
 So the theory seems plausible. When I get my Freerunner (when are they back
 in stock?!) I'll have to do some testing. Thanks for the input, folks.

You could probably develop it on a linux laptop and alsa.  For this app, 
the main difference between the platforms is that the FR doesn't have a 
floating point unit, and it uses a different microphone jack.

-Rusty

 
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Re: Navit patch for faster map dragging

2008-08-19 Thread Christian Anke

Am Dienstag 19 August 2008 17:39:56 schrieb Florian Lohoff:
 On Tue, Aug 19, 2008 at 05:23:14PM +0200, arne anka wrote:
   doing 'ls -R /usr/lib/navit/' gives me a list of all the libraries set
   out in a directory structure, so the libraries are there... any Ideas
   why it's not finding them?
 
  quick idea: set LD_LIBRARY_PATH, but ...
 
   1699  stat64(/usr/lib/navit/*/lib*.so, 0xbe9c0a78) = -1 ENOENT (No
 
  these * look odd. did you put them in  there or are the really from
  navit?

 The problem is that the navit package contains only so.0.0.0 libs and .so.0
 symlinks - navit trys to open the libs with a simple .so

 Broken package.

 Flo

changing navit.xml from

plugin path=$NAVIT_LIBDIR/*/${NAVIT_LIBPREFIX}lib*.so/

to

plugin path=$NAVIT_LIBDIR/*/${NAVIT_LIBPREFIX}lib*.so*/

solves this for me (it starts)

 Carci

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Re: Navit patch for faster map dragging

2008-08-19 Thread Florian Hackenberger

On Tuesday 19 August 2008, Florian Lohoff wrote:
 The problem is that the navit package contains only so.0.0.0 libs and
 .so.0 symlinks - navit trys to open the libs with a simple .so

 Broken package.
Hi!

Sorry, I forgot to add the navit.xml patch which was originally applied 
to the navit 0.4.0 package (didn't notice because I used the navit.xml 
file from the original package on my Neo). I updated the package on my 
website. The fix only touches the navit.xml file, therefore you can 
simply modify the navit.xml file you use. See the original patch 
(attached).

The new packages (including locate package, not tried though) are here:

http://www.acoveo.org/openmoko/

Cheers,
Florian

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--- navit-0.0.3/src/navit.xml.orig	2008-01-01 15:24:43.0 +
+++ navit-0.0.3/src/navit.xml	2008-01-01 15:25:01.0 +
@@ -1,8 +1,8 @@
 ?xml version=1.0 encoding=utf-8?
 !DOCTYPE navit SYSTEM navit.dtd
 plugins
-	plugin path=$NAVIT_LIBDIR/*/${NAVIT_LIBPREFIX}lib*.so/
-	plugin path=$NAVIT_LIBDIR/*/${NAVIT_LIBPREFIX}libgraphics_null.so active=no /
+	plugin path=$NAVIT_LIBDIR/*/${NAVIT_LIBPREFIX}lib*.so.0/
+	plugin path=$NAVIT_LIBDIR/*/${NAVIT_LIBPREFIX}libgraphics_null.so.0 active=no /
 /plugins
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Re: USB keyboards silent in terminal (FSO)

2008-08-19 Thread Benito Torres

On Tue, Aug 19, 2008 at 20:57 (+0200), Benito wrote:
 I dare to jump in as I have the same problem.

Just found this: http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1796
(see Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on this list).

And this:
http://downloads.openmoko.org/framework/milestone2/updates/armv4t/xserver-kdrive-glamo_1.3.0.0+git4147f80c0bfedaff7749bccbd1e1d566dee0e04c-r7_armv4t.ipk
On my FSO-system there's
1:1.3.0.0+gita51364e2f23d4b6331c5ed613ce3f7e15f8e540f-r6 installed,
which according to the git-commit-dates is older than the afore
mentioned ipk. For some reason the ipk is not included in the
fso-arm4vt-feed.

After installation of the newer package and a reboot I had to find that
this sadly doesn't help with my keyboard-problem. I'll try a real
usb-keyboard (without that usb-ps/2-converter) before complaining
further, but as both mice (usb and ps/2) now work (funny thing without a
cursor :) I suppose the additional converter is not the problem.

So for now there's more light shed on the issue but the story
continues...

Cheers,
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Re: FSO icons missing

2008-08-19 Thread Marcel

Am Dienstag 19 August 2008 20:59:41 schrieb Daniel MT:
 Hey.
 I installed fso on my freerunner but I noticed that the calculator and
 calendar icons are missing. Is there any package I can install to solve the
 problem?.

 Thanks.

The calculator never had an icon for me, don't know about the calendar though.

Marcel

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Re: GPRS working / gsm0710mux (works now for me)

2008-08-19 Thread Brad Pitcher

Benedikt Schindler wrote:
Hi,

some corrections on my own mail.
first off all it works now for me.
second, it's not an update that causes the problem it is not to
update... :)

the whole howto on freeyourphone.de is written for the
Om2007.2/ASU-buildhost version.

2008/8/12 xaos x [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

I actually finally got it working by using the article from freeyourphone
that uses the multiplexing package.

http://freeyourphone.de/portal_v1/viewtopic.php?f=21t=295start=0st=0sk=tsd=asid=dda5c6cbf5850182c786488123f056ce

It will receive calls and make calls while connected to GPRS using this
setup.

-Tom

Now i have the correct feeds, and the howto doesn't work anymore.
That is because of a different version of the gsm0710muxd application.

The howto works fine also with Om2008.8.
You just have to install these package before you use the howto from
freeyourphone:

opkg -force-depends install
http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily-feed/armv4t/gsm0710muxd_0.9.1+gitr1+3ff86b129640b647ccba3d86eb243d864671b039-r0_armv4t.ipk

Attention: just use this package, and no other packages from this host!
This host is normaly not compatible with the Om2008.8 !!!

have a nice time with gprs until the offical gprs is comming up soon.

cu all
Beni

P.S.:
the mokoservice.py doesn't work for me.
i use gprson gprsqison to get into it.
sometimes it doesn't work on the first time, and i have to try it a
litle bit later again.

Benedikt Schindler schrieb:

ok. i found out, that a upgrade from gsm0710mux is the problem.
they now have a different service name for the muxer.
it isn't org.pyneo.muxer anymore it's now org.mobile.mux.

you could edit /etc/X11/Xsession.d/89qtopia so it uses the new term,
(and also the /usr/bin/gprson script)
or add an additional service file to /usr/share/dbus-1/system-services/

[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# cat
/usr/share/dbus-1/system-services/org.pyneo.muxer.service
[D-BUS Service]
Name=org.pyneo.muxer
#Name=org.freesmartphone.GSM.MUX
Exec=/usr/bin/gsm0710muxd
User=root

---

But now i have the problem that i get this errors in my log:

I think the T should be an AT. so i try some different gsm0710mux
today.
maybe i found something that works.

cu later

[btw: answers from could have some delay, because i am on vacation and
i don't have often internet without my gprs working on the freerunner.]

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Thanks for the tips! It's really great to have gprs working perfectly
on 2008.8. I have no problems running mokoservices.py either.
cheers,
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Re: Acoustic Position Measuring Device

2008-08-19 Thread Ganesha Krishna

here is some prior art, albeit fictional,
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0468569/synopsis  [heavy spoilers alert!]
search for 'cell phone sonar'

-GK


On Wed, Aug 20, 2008 at 12:49 AM, Russell Sears [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Charles Pax wrote:
 The problem with having an external speaker or microphone is that such a
 solution does not simplify the situation. Sure, it would make the Freerunner
 (plus some stuff) into a measuring device, but if we need a second piece of
 hardware to take measurement, we may as well just carry around a tape
 measure. Oh well.

 Right, but I need to have a hands free headset so I can listen to music,
 so it's not a second piece of hardware.  Admittedly, I could put a piece
 of tape on the cord every inch and get the same effect...

 I wonder if there's some other application of sending out a chirp and
 recording it.  Maybe the FR could use echo to characterize acoustic
 environments.  Then it would know if you've left it in a drawer, pocket,
 car, concert hall, etc...

 There's also echo cancellation, which the FR desperately needs, and is a
 similar trick.


 So the theory seems plausible. When I get my Freerunner (when are they back
 in stock?!) I'll have to do some testing. Thanks for the input, folks.

 You could probably develop it on a linux laptop and alsa.  For this app,
 the main difference between the platforms is that the FR doesn't have a
 floating point unit, and it uses a different microphone jack.

 -Rusty


 -Charles



 

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Re: Acoustic Position Measuring Device

2008-08-19 Thread Stefan Strahl

Hi Openmoko list :)

Cool idea :) As already mentioned you won't get a real validated
measurement system, but it should be fun enough :)

I would suggest using a
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maximum_length_sequence (MLS) instead of
a sweep or alike. As its spectrum is flat you will hear only a white
noise like sound. From the measured impulse response we can then get
the direct speaker-microphone path and the distances to the reflecting
surfaces as Rusty explained.

Once I got my freerunner (should have arrived at pulster.eu last
friday and any day at my doorstep :) ) I will test the speaker/mic
quality. If someone needs a MLS of length 2^n just let me know and I
can mail the sequence.

:) stefan

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Re: Raster's Image and chatting on the moko!

2008-08-19 Thread David Samblas

I'm testing the image right now and I have no as much luck as Dan, no
GSM registering here (nor in 2008.8) but it doesn't matter, I post this
to shout out loud , THIS IS THE KEYBOARD 2008.8 MUST HAVE!! is just
awesome , you got all in one, if you need predictable one to write sms
on the go , no problem, if you need one for terminal or for whatever
aplication you put in there that OM can't predict in advance it's
keyboard needs, no problem you got it , if you have to write one sms in
english, an email in spanish and do you minutes in esperanto, again no
problem switch the dictionary and go, it got the zoom feature too, and
if any of the keyboards installed doesn't have succesfully satisfy
you ... do your own keyboard editing a text file!
What is offering the actual keyboard installed in 2008.8 that this one
doesn't offer?, what feature I have missed?
I'm totally agree in try to make the future OM branded distribution kb
automatic oriented and let the user the option to install a manual
button to force keyboard appear and disappear, but please use this kb
instead the actual one.

Regards
David

El mar, 19-08-2008 a las 00:43 -0500, Dan Staley escribió:
 Hi everyone,
 
 I recently flashed an image created by Raster (from a recent version of
 the ASU dev tree but with his modifications...most noticably the
 keyboard is changed to a modified version of the illume keyboard...and
 very works very well!)  I think Raster mentioned that it can accept any
 dictionary file for the predictive part of the keyboard, and you can
 easily switch dictionaries with the top left button.  (Not to mention
 there is a full qwerty keyboard option included!  Terminal friendly
 ASU!)
 
 Anyway, I just wanted to comment that with it, and several other recent
 programs, I was able to very easily connect to a wifi network (via
 terminal), connect my bluetooth keyboard, and chat in the #openmoko IRC
 room via pidginand it worked great!  I've also used this image for a
 couple days as my main phone and it seems to be pretty stable and
 usable.  It wakes up out of suspend on phone calls and with the usual
 mods to the gsmhandset.state file, it sounds fine. 
 
 To see pics and descriptions of what I used, see here:
 http://www.bufferunderflow.com/?entry=6
 
 (Remember, Raster gets all the credit!  I'm just trying to spread the
 good word about the image!)
 
 -Dan Staley
 
 
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Re: SIP on Debian

2008-08-19 Thread Russell Bryant

On Tue, Aug 19, 2008 at 4:53 AM, Peter Schwenke [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote:

 The problem is with the audio.  I can hear the ring for an incoming call
 using stereoout.state.  Once the call is picked up I can hear the other
 end.

 Fiddling with alsa mixer I was able to get the other end to hear me from
 the phone speaker.


Do you know what you did specifically to get mic input working?  Did you
happen to save off the state using alsactl?  I've been fighting the same
thing and would rather not duplicate the effort.

--
Russell
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Re: Phone that works on all networks? Not necessarily symotaniously.

2008-08-19 Thread Russell Sears

Jeff Sadowski wrote:
 I understand the openmoko phone works on GSM networks? I think I read
 somewhere that Verizon uses CDMA and not GSM. Are there plans to have
 a phone that will connect to a CDMA network? Is there a way to
 incorporate say like a module to add/remove to use any cellular
 network you want? Not that I want to use verizon or att or any
 network in particular but I would like a choice. At this point in time
 I hate cell phones and cell phone networks; I have high hopes for this
 project to maybe standardize the industry. One OS to rule them all. As
 is now the same cell phone for different companies works way different
 example: a razor for verizon is way different then a razor for ATT. I
 was looking at the menus and options and they are so different I
 wouldn't even consider it the same phone. 

Yeah; that's one reason I swore to never buy a phone from a network 
again.  My old phone had an alarm clock feature.  Occasionally, the cell 
network company updated the OS and fixed/broke the alarm clock without 
warning.  Not good. :(

 I'd like to see the same
 options across the board from att to verizon to tmoble ... The one
 thing I couldn't find on the ATT interface for the razor was the
 Airplane mode. Airplane mode turns off the radio so that if you are in
 a place with no reception you don't waist your batteries and can still
 use your phone for the other tasks like snapping a quick picture when
 you don't have your real camera next to you. Or an alarm clock or
 calculator or ...
 I live in Albuquerque NM I'm wondering if I even have a choice of any
 networks that I could use the openmoko project with. I would like to
 get started with it. It interests me.

ATT and T-Mobile both use GSM, which is standard pretty much everywhere 
except the US (though some parts of the GSM network run at a different 
frequency in the US, so you want the 850 model).

Here's TMobile's coverage map:

http://www.t-mobile.com/coverage/pcc.aspx

It looks like they'd work for you.  ATT probably has coverage where you 
are too.  The only thing that ties the Freerunner to one GSM network or 
another is the sim card, which can be easily replaced/moved between phones.

Verizon uses a different network technology, so it would require 
different modem hardware (and probably dialer software, drivers, 
etc...).  Also, it would only be usable by some fraction of the US 
market, so my guess it that it wouldn't make financial sense for 
openmoko to produce one...

-Rusty

 
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Re: Acoustic Position Measuring Device