from:"Torfinn Ingolfsen"


Hello,

On 7/21/07, Ted Lemon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

On Jul 20, 2007, at 4:25 PM, Torfinn Ingolfsen wrote:
 It speaks to exactly the problem that we will have marketing
 OpenMoko: how to get Joe and Jane Average to think of the Open in
 OpenMoko as something they care about.

 Don't do rthat then. As in don't limit the marketing to only focus on
 the Open part. The Open part will only get to the people who are
 really, interested anyway.

I guess reading the article before commenting on it would be too much
to ask?


Well, I *did* read the article. I don't agree with the author. He
speaks of people's values - we should not focus too much on that,
instead we should focus on finding the next must have uses for the
phone. Values like fair trade are like fashions - they change every
three to six months.
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Re: OK, the forum is coming..


Hello,

On 7/21/07, Valerio Bruno [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

i'm tired to read discussion about forum is good or bad.
Do you prefer phpBB or Invision ? personally i prefer the former.


I couldn't care less about which system to choose, but I have one
wish; make it as fast and usable as possible, nd make it work
flawlessly with Firefox and Opera.

I guess asking for a forum -- NNTP gateway would be asking too much?
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Re: Marketing... aGPS uses


Hello,

On 7/21/07, Krzysztof Kajkowski [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Hi! That's a wonderful list you made! I have one doubt though - how
well would that AGPS chip work, especially in buildings. I have Garmin
GPS which does not get signal reception if anything is between it and
GPS satellite so it does not work in my appartment or shows locations
with massive error.

Does anyone tested AGPS yet?


Not tested, but I read on a Norwegian mobile phone news site about
someone with a Nokia phone with GPS. Recently Nokia had enabled the
AGPS functionality in the phone through a software update, and after
that this person was able to get a GPS fix inside his apartment.
Before (without AGPS) he hadn't been able to get a fix inside at all.
I guess it depends on the hardware.
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Re: OK, the forum is coming..


Sebastian Krause wrote:

Torfinn Ingolfsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

I guess asking for a forum -- NNTP gateway would be asking too much?


No: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.comp.handhelds.openmoko.community


Hey, that was very nifty indeed!
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Re: OK, the forum is coming..

2007-07-22 Thread Torfinn Ingolfsen


On 7/22/07, Valerio Bruno [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Sorry for ignorance but what are COGS ? building costs at FIC?


An accounting term. Wikipedia is your friend:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cost_of_goods_sold

I had to look it up too...
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Re: [Fwd: Re: OK, the forum is coming..]

2007-07-23 Thread Torfinn Ingolfsen


Hello,

On 7/23/07, Valerio Bruno [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

I'm trying gmane nntp interface to community list and it doesn't support
thread! all messages are ordered just by date. So it's the same as
reading the messages in own mailbox. Doh.


Hmm, which newsreader are you using? I'm using Thunderbird, and the
list is thraded there.
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Re: Hear Me FIC

2007-07-24 Thread Torfinn Ingolfsen


Hello,

On 7/24/07, Shakthi Kannan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Hear_Me_FIC

[... cut...]
Appreciate your thoughts,


I like it.
Perhaps you should add a paragraph at the start that explains what the
page is for, and if the priorities listed are the views / wishes of
the community or the official priorities of FIC?
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Re: Anyone, not billed yet?

2007-07-31 Thread Torfinn Ingolfsen

Hello,

On 7/31/07, Sudharshan S [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I just couldn't resist the urge to ask if there are anyone here who had
 ordered the development release but *not been billed* yet.  Especially

Yes, I have order number 2775, and haven't been billed yet.

 anxious since there has not been any word of the second batch, AFAIK
 (ordered it on 11 July, around 0500 hours GMT). Sorry folks, but when all
 the others are getting to play, hack and cuddle with the neo, I feel jealous
 and left alone =(.

I feel the same way. :-)
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Re: mailing list management

2007-08-15 Thread Torfinn Ingolfsen

Hello,

On 8/15/07, Allan Savolainen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 And another 'pls don't change it'. One would think that in this day

Here is another voice from the silent majority - please do NOT
change the way the list is set up.

As for the reply to issue - either live with the way your mail
client do it (as I do with GMail), or change to a mail client that has
proper support (ie reply to list).
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Re: gpsd and AGPS

2007-09-18 Thread Torfinn Ingolfsen

Hello,

On 9/3/07, Ian Stirling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A-GPS
 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Server:A-GPS

I just keep wondering how hard it would be for us opensource prople to
set up a network of assistance servers?
Would a PC with an usb GPS device (and suitable os and software of
course) be able to function as an assistance server?
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Re: Message duplicates (was: Changes between GTA1 and GTA2?)

2007-09-27 Thread Torfinn Ingolfsen

Hello,

On 8/27/07, Harald Welte [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 that would really be easy. unfortunately it just locks up, doesn't die.

Is there any way that this lock up could be detected programmatically?

If so, then you could
a) have a service monitor restart spamassassin
or
b) alert an admin )via e-mail, sms, whatever)

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Re: Security in OpenMoko

2007-10-06 Thread Torfinn Ingolfsen

Hello,


On 10/6/07, Cailan Halliday [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hey everybody, I just found this device:
 http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS4756295876.html
 I don't know anything about it really, but it's security related and

This seems to be a HSM[1] device, it provides a hardware crypto
accelerator and a secure key store. HSM's are commonly used on web and
/ or application servers for secure internet applications. And in PKI
solutions.

Useful if anybody comes up with application(s) that needs
hardware-secured crypto keys on the mobile device.


1) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hardware_Security_Module
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Re: NYTimes article regarding GPhone being an open-source alternative to Windows Mobile.

2007-10-08 Thread Torfinn Ingolfsen

Hello,

On 10/8/07, Gabriel Ambuehl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Suppose Google actually wrote a phone *environment* instead of a whole OS
 (well, they may have a Linux stack for custom designs, still) aroud Qtopia
 core, that would work? Especially if/as/when Trolltech ports Qtopia to S60...

Trolltech has already ported Qt (Qtopia?) to windowsCE[1]

1) http://www.osnews.com/story.php/18720/Trolltech-Ports-Qt-to-Windows-CE
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Re: Trolltech drops greenphone for OpenMoko (Neo)

2007-10-23 Thread Torfinn Ingolfsen

Hello,

On 10/23/07, Gerald A [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Link to story:
 http://news.zdnet.com/2100-1035_22-6214641.html

 I'm actually sad to hear this. While it's great to have a number of
 options running on the Neo, it would be nice to have OpenMoko run on a
 variety of devices, but the greenphone won't be in the running.

Everyone from the international media reporting on this seems to have
missed a few key points:
1) The Greenphone is a development platform / tool. It was never
intended as a phone / end
user device. Don't believe me? Check the old press releases from Trolltech.
2) Trolltech only produced 1000 Greenphones, as they said from the
start that they would do.
They have now sold all units, which is a good thing.
3) Trolltech will still support the Greenphones that are out there.
For more, see the Trolltech press release:
http://trolltech.com/company/newsroom/announcements/press.2007-10-21.0880321862

BTW, I am not associated with Trolltech in any way, but I considered
the Greenphone before  settling on the Neo1973.
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Re: Gphone isn't open, linux dev not possible

2007-11-18 Thread Torfinn Ingolfsen

Hello,

On Nov 16, 2007 11:55 PM, Jay Vaughan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Out of interest: how does one 'uncompress' a *.jffs file?


 mount it, copy the contents out.
I'm on Ubuntu 7.10 (i386).
What do I need in addition to the loop module:

[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# losetup -v /dev/loop0
/home/tingo/work/openmoko/qtopia-rootfs.2-10020615.jffs2
/home/tingo/work/openmoko/qtopia-rootfs.2-10020615.jffs2: No such file
or directory
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# losetup /dev/loop0
loop: can't get info on device /dev/loop0: No such device or address
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# lsmod | grep loop
loop   19076  0
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~#

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Re: Gphone isn't open, linux dev not possible

2007-11-25 Thread Torfinn Ingolfsen

Hello,

On Nov 22, 2007 2:00 AM, Michael 'Mickey' Lauer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Torfinn Ingolfsen wrote:

  Hello,

  I'm on Ubuntu 7.10 (i386).
  What do I need in addition to the loop module:

  [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# losetup -v /dev/loop0
  /home/tingo/work/openmoko/qtopia-rootfs.2-10020615.jffs2
  /home/tingo/work/openmoko/qtopia-rootfs.2-10020615.jffs2: No such file
  or directory
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# losetup /dev/loop0
  loop: can't get info on device /dev/loop0: No such device or address
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# lsmod | grep loop
  loop   19076  0
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~#

 The loopback won't help you. You need to use mtdram to mimick an mtd
 device in your RAM, then dd the contents into an mtdblock and mount it.

Aha.
Something like this then:
http://wiki.buici.com/wiki/Mounting_JFFS2_Filesystem_in_RAM

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Re: SIM card read/write [was Re: SIM Card Copy]

2007-11-27 Thread Torfinn Ingolfsen

On Nov 27, 2007 3:55 PM, Nkoli [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 A previous post indicates that he's looking at ways to get a second sim card
 in the picture.

 I think it must be cumbersome to carry around a usb sim card reader that you
 attach and deattach each time you need the second sim. Might as well stick a
 compact second phone with a second sim card in your
 backpack/glovebox/storage unit and use bluetooth to link to the second card.
 Twould be instantaneous... always connected and no wires to mess around
 with. If symbian can do this, openmoko should be able to as well.

 Alternatively, you could pick up dual sim card holders on fleabay.

However, it would be nice if you could just put a sim card into the
Neo (or other OpenMoko) phone, select copy sim to softsim from the
menu, and have a software copy of the sim available in the phone.
Then you could change back to another physical sim card, and you would
have dual sim capability in the phone without the need for any extra
hardware at all.

Perhaps one could expand this - why settle for dual sim capability
when you could have multi sim capability?

I see a few possible obstacles:
- legal: is it ok (legally) to copy the sim? (IMHO, it should be, as
long as you are not trying to use the physical sim and the softsim
copy at the same time)
software: the OpenMoko phone stack would need the capability to handle
two (or more) sim cards at the same time. Not only being able to
receive calls for both / all sim cards automatically, but also allow
the user to select a sim card to call (or send sms messages) from, and
a way to inform the user about what sim card / phone number is being
called, in addition to who is calling.
This should be doable.

This would be a cool feature.
I know that I could definitely use the dual sim capability. I doubt
that I would have a need for multi sim capability.
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Re: Recent spam.

2008-01-07 Thread Torfinn Ingolfsen

BTW,
for those who feel the need to reply to the spam messages in order to inform
the rest of us that the message is spam[1] and should be dealt[2] with -
please, please do NOT quote the message. If you do, the spammer gets the
commercial displayed once more.

1) we all know this already
2) if you want to ask someone to deal with it, please contact the list
administrator(s) off list.

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Re: Videos and pictures of Neo FreeRunner at CES: (was: Re: community update, Thursday, January 10, 2008)

2008-01-12 Thread Torfinn Ingolfsen

Hello,

On Jan 12, 2008 7:42 AM, Jeff Andros [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


 agreed... plus how often does a consumer ready phone get rebooted? last
 time I did mine was to swap the sim card into my neo


In my experience it is like this: Nokia phones needs to be rebooted every
week. This has been true for all Nokia phones I have used, and is also true
for the Nokia E61 I'm currently using. If not rebooted, some functions of
the phone will fail. For the E61, it suddenly starts to say disk full when
I try to sync email onto it. After a reboot it is fine again.
I have only used a few Sony-Ericsson phones, but they tend to only need
reboot every two weeks. My latest experience was the K710, it did all sorts
of funny things if it was not rebooted. Like - the alarm didn't work, -
outgoing calls failed, - ringing didn't work and so on.

IMO, rebooting a phone shouldn't be necessary during normal use.
I am hoping that any phone running OpenMoko will be much, much better in
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Re: Re[2]: Videos and pictures of Neo FreeRunner at CES: (was: Re: community update, Thursday, January 10, 2008)

2008-01-12 Thread Torfinn Ingolfsen

Hello,

On Jan 12, 2008 5:34 PM, Michael 'Mickey' Lauer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


 Yeah, we left that in on purpose -- especially for the geeks. Of course,
 it's
 scheduled for removal in a consumer-only release (whenever that may
 come) release. Well I guess you just can't please everyone :/


Easy to fix - leave it (boot scroll) as an option that can be turned on by
the user, preferably in a geeky way involving shell and the virtual
keyboard. :-)
And we want the matrix screensaver too. :-)
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Re: Congratulations Harald!

2008-03-21 Thread Torfinn Ingolfsen

Hi,

On Fri, Mar 21, 2008 at 8:16 AM, Sean Moss-Pultz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Dear Community

  Not sure if you've already seen this...

http://lwn.net/Articles/274173/

  A great honor handed down to a true freedom fighter!

  Sean

Thanks for sharing this.
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Re: Accelerometer brainstorming

2008-04-04 Thread Torfinn Ingolfsen

Hello,

On Tue, Apr 1, 2008 at 5:49 PM, Alexey Feldgendler
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  Are roundabouts in tunnels an April fool? Never encountered one.

No, roundabouts in tunnels are real - we even have one or two such
tunnels here in Norway.
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Re: oredring the Freerunner as an research item

2008-04-15 Thread Torfinn Ingolfsen

Hello,

On Tue, Apr 15, 2008 at 7:53 PM, steve [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


 i'll look into it, but this country by country selective processing is
 defeating the purpose.

If this is valid for other countries, perhaps such a letter / note
could be added to every 10 pack you send out?
(If the same letter / note can be used for all cases, of course)
Granted, I don't know how much overhead in packaging this would incur.
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Re: oredring the Freerunner as an research item

2008-04-15 Thread Torfinn Ingolfsen

On Tue, Apr 15, 2008 at 9:27 PM, ramsesoriginal
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 As far as I know, this holds true for many countries. I used to work

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Europe: ordering Freerunner direct from Openmoko?

2008-04-23 Thread Torfinn Ingolfsen

Hello,
For us european users: will it be possible to order Frerunner directly
from Openmoko?
The way it looks now, this would be the most attractive solution from
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Re: Thoughts about calls not taken

2008-04-24 Thread Torfinn Ingolfsen

Hi,

On Wed, Apr 23, 2008 at 11:20 PM, Stefan Misch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hi,

  I have an idea going through my mind about rejecting phone calls.

Personally, I only use rejects if I ewant the calling party to *know*
that I have rejected the call. For most cases, I prefer the ignore
button, which just tuns off sound (and vibration if enabled). Thus the
caller (salesman, unknown numder, etc) only knows that I didn't
answer.

  What are your thoughts about this?

What I would like is a general filter mechanism, kind of like an email
spam filter, which would let me filter on any number of arguments
(calling number, called number (if we ever get multiple numbers on our
mobile phones), presence status (and calendar busy / free status),
time, and more). And I should be able to program any possible action
for my filters, like - direct to voicemail, call forward, call reject,
and so on.

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Re: Thoughts about calls not taken

2008-04-25 Thread Torfinn Ingolfsen

Hi,

  http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Category:Calling_Features
  has had all of these thoughts for some time.

I know. :)
But it helps writing them up here in the mailing list from time to
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Re: Our new Main page of wiki

2008-05-01 Thread Torfinn Ingolfsen

Hi,

On Fri, Apr 18, 2008 at 4:43 PM, Dirk Deimeke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Plus thinking about the page beeing viewed mostly from users with Linux on
  their machines (web server stats anyone?). So it should be reviewed with
  linux or at least with an alternative browser.

Ideally, it should be reviewed on as many platforms as possible (by
platform in this context I refer to a specific browser on a specific
device / operating system), in addition to the usual ones
(well-known browsers on Linux / *BSD / windows) things like Opera
mini[1] on mobile devices, the browser on Neo, and so on should also
be used to view the web pages. I guess the community must help with
this.

Other than that, web pages should be designed to work the way they
were intended to; automatically adaptable to any web browser, no
matter what size or format it might be.

Just my 2 eurocents.

References:
1) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opera_mini
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Re: Software

2008-05-06 Thread Torfinn Ingolfsen

Hi,

On Tue, May 6, 2008 at 9:26 AM, Mike Baroukh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  About this, I was wondering if there was possibility to have cron like
  tasks even if the phone is suspended ?

You could always run something like anacron{1] on the phone. As long
as yoy don't keep you phone suspended for a day or more that would
work. :-)

References:
1) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anacron
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Re: Freerunner on a Mac ...

2008-05-16 Thread Torfinn Ingolfsen

Hi,

On Fri, May 16, 2008 at 8:49 AM, Wilkinson, Alex
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
0n Fri, May 16, 2008 at 08:39:48AM +0200, Federico Lorenzi wrote:

Should work, FreeBSD supports cdce, which is a USB ethernet gadget.

 What is cdce ?

cdce[1] is the ethernet -over-usb driver in FreeBSD. To test it, you
can do 'kldload if_cdce', then see the man page.
Last time I tested it, it worked without problems.

References:
1) 
http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/man.cgi?query=cdceapropos=0sektion=0manpath=FreeBSD+7.0-RELEASEformat=html
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Re: Android (Re: Qtopia Vs. GTK or both?)

2008-05-25 Thread Torfinn Ingolfsen

Hi,

On Sun, May 25, 2008 at 12:38 PM, Arnout Engelen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On Sun, May 25, 2008 at 12:25:26AM +0400, t3st3r wrote:
 and Dalvik VM is actually, proprietary.

 Hmm, do you have any references to support that claim? That'd suck,
 Dalvik looks pretty interesting (also for Openmoko).

There are a few indications at least
http://www.retrodev.com/android/dexformat.html
http://code.google.com/android/kb/licensingandoss.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dalvik_virtual_machine
http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers/browse_thread/thread/c4a8b4d97f408b17/f469cfe03cc49b25

(in no particular order)

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Re: IGES STEP CAD file issues

2008-05-30 Thread Torfinn Ingolfsen

Hi,

On Thu, May 29, 2008 at 9:28 AM, Philip Stubbs [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Pro/E Wildfire 3.0 and 2.0 were available as native Linux
 applications. If you could get a trial of one of those, I am sure you
 will have much more success.

For people who are curious, here is a bit of info:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ProEngineer
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Re: GSoC projects

2008-06-17 Thread Torfinn Ingolfsen

Hello,

On Tue, Jun 17, 2008 at 1:19 AM, ramsesoriginal
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hi there.
 Reading through the GSoC updates, i saw that (atl least) two used
 Markov Model . I have no idea what that is, or how it's used,

It is amazing what you can find on the Internet with a little effort:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Markov_model
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Re: why infrared should be added to GTA03

2008-06-29 Thread Torfinn Ingolfsen

Hi,

On Sun, Jun 29, 2008 at 4:00 PM, Ron K. Jeffries [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I have not (yet) invested in one of those expensive
 universal remote control thingies. But I really
 lust after that functionality when I fight THREE
 controls (sat TV, DVD player, TV, not to mention
 a separate audio system control)

Too bad that bluetooth is absent on most consumer devices today.
But perhaps you could make something with bluetooth and IR blasters.

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FreeRunner - import Contacts

2008-07-03 Thread Torfinn Ingolfsen

Hello,

What are the options (if any) for importing contacts into the contacts
database on a FreeRunner?
Will be getting my FR in a few days, time to prepare. My phone
contacts currently reside in a Nokia mobile phone, but I also have a
backup copy in and Outlook folder at work, and from there I have
various export possibilities (for example csv).

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Re: FreeRunner - import Contacts

2008-07-03 Thread Torfinn Ingolfsen

Hi,

Thanks for the instructions. I'll see what I can Google up.

On Thu, Jul 3, 2008 at 3:49 PM, Dennis Wollersheim
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
 Hash: SHA1

 - From my hazy memory doing this with the Neo, there are 2 options, depending
 on what image you are using.  If you are using the qtopia image, I think
 you need to get the contacts into qtopia image somehow.  I think the
 shipping image uses evolution format;  just get your contacts into
 evolution on the desktop, then scp the evolution databases across to your

Ok, I'm not using Evolution on my desktop, but I'll see what I can find out.

If anyone else knows the specific format used, feel free to inform me
and others. :-)
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Re: [Fwd: questions about our mailinglists]

2008-07-07 Thread Torfinn Ingolfsen

Hello,

On Mon, Jul 7, 2008 at 12:18 PM, Joachim Steiger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 fwd, please answer to community@
   2) Remove 'device-owners'.

Please keep device-owners and community. The way I see it, the
community list is a thriving discussion place for the whole community,
which is good.
But device-owners is a place  for more specific questions, and it has
lower traffic which is good for getting answers quickly.

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Re: [Fwd: questions about our mailinglists]

2008-07-08 Thread Torfinn Ingolfsen

Hello,

On Mon, Jul 7, 2008 at 3:40 PM, arne anka [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Please keep device-owners and community.

 shouldn't community members and device owners more or less be congruent,
 now the freerunner is in the world?

Possibly.
My observation is that any (ok, most) threads on the community
mailinglist tend to evolve into a lot of
1) wishes for things that aren't in the devices today
2) requests / demands that things should be done differently

which is good for future, but not so ood for specific question about
current devices and current software.
Aside from that, groups of peaple are never congruent - in any given
group you will find as many opinions as there are people. :)

 and who of the newlyweds joined device-owners? i for one, didn't --
 because i don't want to split my time and attention between multiple
 groups, basically addressing the same audience.

Well, it depends on what information you want. If you skip
device-owners, you miss a lot of specific information about the
devices and software, and the testing that owners do.
I find that useful enough that I invest the little time extra to read
that mailinglist as well.
YMMV, of course.
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Re: questions about our mailinglists

2008-07-08 Thread Torfinn Ingolfsen

Hi,

On Tue, Jul 8, 2008 at 5:08 AM, Matt Joyce [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Dear Community
 Would there be any support for prefixing the subject with the list names ?
 eg [openmoko-community]
 It's a trivial enough to implement with Mailman (the system being used).

No, please don't do that. I repeat: please do not mess with the subject lines!
To see why, look at the list archives about a year back.

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Re: questions about our mailinglists

2008-07-08 Thread Torfinn Ingolfsen

Hello,

On Tue, Jul 8, 2008 at 1:44 PM, matt joyce [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Can you elaborate please (not for the sake of debate, I'm just curious

No, I'm not going to restart that discussion. The last time it lasted
for more than a month, wasting lots of time for anybody reading this
list, and even more for those participating in the discussion.
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Re: Better keyboard?

2008-07-09 Thread Torfinn Ingolfsen

Hello,

On Wed, Jul 9, 2008 at 6:39 PM, Konstantin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Actually, there is:
 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Switching_Keyboards

FWIW, In the future, I wish (as a user of Openmoko devices (currently
1973 and FreeRunner)) to install any number of (available) keyboards
at the same time.
Then I can change keyboards (using an extra key on the keyboard
perhaps? Or a menu choice?) whenever I like.
That would be nice.
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Re: Presentation and some questions about flashing Freerunner

Hello,

On Fri, Jul 11, 2008 at 8:10 AM, Offray Vladimir Luna Cárdenas
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Opening USB Device 0x:0x...
 No such Alternate Setting: kernel

Are you doing your flashing as root? (on Ubuntu, that would be using
'sudo' before any dfu-util command)?
I seem to recall that if I didn't use sudo, I got that last error message.
If so, it probably means that your normal user doesn't have access to
all the needed parts of the usb subsystem on the machine wher you run
dfu-util. I always use sudo (I'm on Ubuntu).

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Re: Accessing the freerunner filesystem

Hello,

On Fri, Jul 11, 2008 at 12:15 PM, Kalle Happonen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hi all,
 I was wondering what the easiest way to access freerunner's filesystem
 from a computer. Or just copy over files. If i got the wlan up, it would

For me, the easiest way is usb networking and ssh / scp.

 could probably copy it over to the flash card on the laptop, but that
 also means removing the battery and sim for every change.

Yes, removing the microSD card is very inconvenient.
Note for future devices: add a SD card slt that is easily accessible
(extrnally?).
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Re: GPS

Hello,

On Fri, Jul 11, 2008 at 1:36 PM, Alexander Paersch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I have the same problem that my Freerunner can't acquire a fix without
 a external GPS antenna.

Can any external GPS antenna (with the right connector of course) be used?

 Just today I stumbled upon a page on the openmoko wiki:

 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FreeRunner_GPS_antenna_repair_SOP

 Anybody tried this fix and can report whether this realy fixes the issue?

FWIW, I took apart my FreeRunner and checked the GPS connector on the
cable and the mainboard. It looked good to me.
I didn't disassemble the GP board itself.

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Re: In the press

Hi,

On Fri, Jul 11, 2008 at 2:06 PM, Scott Derrick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 In my opinion , the Wiki sucks

Respectfully, I disagree.

 Very difficult to find any useful information.

Usually, I can find the information I am looking for with one or two
searches on te wiki, for me, that's good enough.

Also remember that each and one of us can improve the wiki. Yes, you
can do it yourself.
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Re: Got it!

Hello,

On Sat, Jul 12, 2008 at 2:27 AM, C R McClenaghan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 While I was waiting for UPS, I made this partial attempt at a port of
 OpenMoko to my other phone ...
 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Image:WaitingForMyNeoFreeRunner.jpg
 Hope I haven't violated any rule on either side -)

Owning an iPhone is a bad sign - you have too little ambition in life.
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Re: Any update on Windows connectivity yet?

Hello,

On Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 10:32 PM, ian douglas
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 One of my bulk order buyers has prompted a question about whether there
 have been any advances with connecting a Freerunner to a Windows PC?

 Last I tried mine on an XP laptop, it detected a device but wanted
 drivers to communicate.

The driver is just an .inf file to set up RNDIS networking.
I used the procedure described here:
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973_and_Windows

see  USB Ethernet emulation. It works both for my 1973 and FreeRunner.

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Re: Bluetooth long in the tooth?

Hello,

On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 10:09 AM, Ken Restivo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# echo 1  
 /sys/bus/platform/devices/neo1973-pm-bt.0/power_on
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# cat /sys/bus/platform/devices/neo1973-pm-bt.0/power_on
 0

 Huh?

Looks like user error to me:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# cat /sys/bus/platform/devices/neo1973-pm-bt.0/power_on
0
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# echo 1  /sys/bus/platform/devices/neo1973-pm-bt.0/power_on
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# cat /sys/bus/platform/devices/neo1973-pm-bt.0/power_on
1
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~#


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Re: Reason for GPS problems found!

Hello,

On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 12:42 PM, thomasg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 We'll do more tests later, but for now we surely know what's causing the
 problem (and it seems to be a EMC problem).

Why does people seem to think it's an EMC problem? Ill hazard a guess
here (and I haven't even seen the schematics for the device); it is
probably a voltage or current problem. When the SD card is in, it
draws power, causing the voltage to something in the GSM circuit (for
example, the antenna selctor circuit) to change. Or current.

 Testresults from other people appreciated.

Well, I am currently inside (it's raining), but on the SS screen of
openmoko-agpsui I now have 13 (yes, thirteen) blue bars, most of them
above 150 dBm. Before (with the SD card in) I never even had one blue
bar on the ss screen.

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Re: Reason for GPS problems found!

More info.

I have tested outside now. Typical TTFF for my device (FreeRunner) is
in the range 41 - 57 seconds. That is after power on FreeRunner, start
openmoko-agpsui, press START button (which is actually named power
on).
Now the FreeRunner even can see satellites when I'm inside of my
apartment (after getting a fix outside).
Even Diversity works - nice.

I am still using this image[1].

References:
1) 
http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/freerunner/200807/20080710/Openmoko-openmoko-qtopia-x11-image-glibc-ipk-P1-Snapshot-20080710-om-gta02.rootfs.jffs2

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Re: In the press. The OpenMoko wiki - a tangled pile of mostly outdated and incomplete documentation.

Hello,

On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 8:33 PM, Stroller
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Right now I'm happy to edit Wikipedia or OpenStreetMaps, but not the
 Openmoko wiki and I'm not sure why that is. I've seen something

FWIW, what I do if I don't feel comfortable enough editing a page on
the (Openmoko) wiki - I simply add my comments to the discussion for
that page. Then someone else can read it and do the edit of the actual
page, if they feel that my comments / suggestions are good.
Of course, this only works if somebody else actually reads the
discussions for the pages...

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Re: In the press

Hello,

On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 9:27 PM, Jay Vaughan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Well thats definitely a very nice proposal, but I would like to hold
 off a bit on recreating a whole new wiki .. what I had in mind was
 more of a blog/feed style site, not necessarily another wiki setup ..

As have been said before in this thread: what we (the Openmoko
community) need is a wiki editors group.
Any volunteers?
The wiki editors group would help each other (and other contributors)
to improve the wiki, by creating information management, writing and
style guidelines, guiding and teaching wiki contributors, and editing
the wiki itself.

Initially, the group could consist of the people most active in
editing the wiki already. Further recruitment could be based on
quality and quantity of contributions to the wiki.

Of course the Wiki editors would have a hall of fame page on the
wiki that would describe the tasks that the group do, list the names
of the editors (and perhaps what period they acted in that role?) and
so on

Any volunteers now?

Anyway, just an idea.
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Re: In the press

Hello,

On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 10:30 PM, Josh Monson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I will volunteer a few hours each week towards this.

 Editing, cleanup, moving content, updating content, organization,
 etc.

 I'm in.

 John Reese or Torfinn are you 2 also volunteering? That would make 3.
 Who else? We need a list of names so we can start firing this project

I would be happy to just be a contributor. :-)
But hey, I can spend a few hours every week on this task as well.
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Re: Wiki editors

2008-07-16 Thread Torfinn Ingolfsen

Hi,

On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 7:42 AM, ian douglas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Michael Shiloh wrote:
 +1 on [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 +1 here

Yes, this gets my vote too.
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Re: Wiki editors

2008-07-16 Thread Torfinn Ingolfsen

Hello,

On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 9:09 PM, Michael Shiloh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I think we're pretty close to consensus here. Let's set up the list and
 move on.

 If each of the original volunteers agree I will request a list with the
 title wiki to be set up. Please each of you indicate your agreement
 (or not) on the following list:

I agree.
BTW, has anyone asked Brenda if she wants in on this? And have time for it?
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Re: Reason for GPS problems found!

2008-07-16 Thread Torfinn Ingolfsen

Hello,

On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 7:12 PM, BlueStar88 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Almost
 all (very rough assumption) GTA02-people are having this issue now, even
 GTA01-users are coming out with confirmations, so why it was not detected
 (nor digged deeper) by personal full range use before mass production?

Being the owner of both a 1973 (GTA01) and a FreeRunner (GTA02) I can
tell you my experience:
the 1973 was my first GPS device ever, so I didn't have anything to
compare with. After getting the necessary software on the phone (gllin
etc.) and configured correctly, the GPS was working correctly, getting
TTFF in a few minutes.
So there was no problem with the 1973 to report.

 Before someone suggests: I don't like the 'fallback' idea of using an
 external antenna, since it is very unhandy for bike and walk usage.

Nobody wants an external antenna for a permanent solution, and I guess
nobody suggested that either. They only suggested the external antenna
as part of trying to figure out the problem.

 My current thoughts are two sided. On one side I don't like to hurt the
 really great (!) project by returning the hardware. On the other side I
 fear, that this issue cannot be fixed to have the initially expected
 behavior.

It seems to me like many (ok, some) people on this list are fearful
people. People, why are you fearing so much?
Are we not pioneers of the open source mobile phone revolution?

Sure, the sky could fall on our heads tomorrow, but pioneers have no
time or that way of thinking.

Pioneers are smart and positive people - anything is possible.
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Re: Problem in logging in freerunner through ssh

2008-07-18 Thread Torfinn Ingolfsen

Hello,

On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 11:11 PM, Stroller
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I keep the following command in my .bash_profile:

   alias ssg=ssh -o StrictHostKeyChecking=no -o UserKnownHostsFile=/
 dev/null

Ah. That's very useful.
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Re: Import contacts qtopia

2008-07-18 Thread Torfinn Ingolfsen

Hello,

On Fri, Jul 18, 2008 at 8:32 PM, Ole Kliemann
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 could be helpful if one were able to convert VCF to sqlite.

 Any hints appreciated.

This one imports .CSV at least:
http://sqlitebrowser.sourceforge.net/

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Re: USB connector not Mini-AB?

2008-07-20 Thread Torfinn Ingolfsen

Hello,

2008/7/19 Tobias Diedrich [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 Looking at the Freerunner connector, it looks like it's really a
 Mini-B Female connector instead of the Mini-AB Female connector as
 stated on
 http://www.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_FreeRunner_GTA02_Hardware

 Can someone else confirm this?

Yes. See
http://www.openmoko.org/wiki/Getting_Started_with_your_Neo_FreeRunner#Package_Contents

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Re: Reason for GPS problems found!

2008-07-20 Thread Torfinn Ingolfsen

Hello,

On Sun, Jul 20, 2008 at 5:03 AM, Yaroslav Halchenko
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 anyone knows if the software patch which was done has any hooks in user
 space so the same procedure (shut off SD while getting FF) could be
 initiated manually (from a script or so)?

AFAIK, the patch doesn't work that way - ie there is no shut off SD
card while we do something else procedure. Instead the SD card is
shut off (ie. clock disabled) when it is idle.
So as long as you avoid reading from or writing to the SD card you
should be fine.

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Re: FreeBSD / dfu-util

2008-07-22 Thread Torfinn Ingolfsen

Hello,

On Tue, Jul 22, 2008 at 7:37 PM, Ben Cadieux [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hi Everyone,

 I got dfu-util to compile using the OSX patch for endian.h  byteswap.h.

Which FreeBSD version and arch (i386? amd64?)

Did you just follow the OS X procedure, or something else?

 developers of something unrelated to be ported to FBSD...is there
 anyone that would like to take a crack at this?

Well I could help out with testing and bug-finding at least. i have
both amd64 and i386 FreeBSD machines. They normally run FreeBSD
7.0-stable, but can also run FreeBSD 6.3-stable if needed.

Ideally, I would like to be able to run both dfu-util and the Openmoko
development environment under FreeBSD. Just because it sjuold be
possible. :-)

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FR - ASU image - keyboard with wrong characters

Hello,

First of all - I'm not really sure if this report belongs on the
support list or here. I'll try here first.

I have been running this image[1] on my FreeRunner for a while now. If
I have gotten my understanding right, this is the ASU image.
Anyway, today I did a 'opkg update' followed by a 'opkg upgrade'. The
upgrade went fine, and I rebooted my FR.

I now have:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# uname -a
Linux om-gta02 2.6.24 #1 PREEMPT Wed Jul 23 06:34:19 CEST 2008 armv4tl unknown
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# cat /etc/angstrom-version
Angstrom P1-Snapshot-20080722
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# cat /etc/om-version
Tag Name:
VERSION: 1d2ffa9abf4464c9ae0d31ee1ca697aaaeb7a81c
Branch: org.openmoko.dev
Build Host: buildhost.openmoko.org
Time Stamp: Fri, 11 Jul 2008 01:49:30 +0200
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# cat /etc/version
200807110147

I noticed something funny when the PIN code dialog for the SIM card
came up: not all keys on the keyboard produce the correct characters.
On the numbers panel of the keuboard (fr lack of a better word)*,
the key row 1 -0 produces these characters:123456{[]}
All other keys produces the correct character, as far as I can determine.

Does anybody know how to fix this?

BTW, I really, really miss a backspace key on this keyboard.

References:
1)
http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/freerunner/200807/20080710/Openmoko-openmoko-qtopia-x11-image-glibc-ipk-P1-Snapshot-20080710-om-gta02.rootfs.jffs2

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Re: FR - ASU image - keyboard with wrong characters

More info.

On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 12:04 PM, Torfinn Ingolfsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Anyway, today I did a 'opkg update' followed by a 'opkg upgrade'. The
 upgrade went fine, and I rebooted my FR.

I repeated 'opkg update' and 'opkg upgrade' The upgrade part produced
some errors, but I don't know if they are important or not:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# opkg upgrade
Upgrading e-wm on root from 0.16.999.042+cvs20080710-r10 to
0.16.999.042+cvs20080722-r10...
Downloading 
http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily-feed/armv4t/e-wm_0.16.999.042+cvs20080722-r10_armv4t.ipk
Installing efreet (1:0.5.0.043+cvs20080722-r0) to root...
Downloading 
http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily-feed/armv4t/efreet_0.5.0.043+cvs20080722-r0_armv4t.ipk
Upgrading illume on root from 0.0+svnr133-r6 to 0.0+svnr152-r6...
Downloading 
http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily-feed/armv4t/illume_0.0+svnr152-r6_armv4t.ipk
Installing efreet (1:0.5.0.043+cvs20080722-r0) to root...
Downloading 
http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily-feed/armv4t/efreet_0.5.0.043+cvs20080722-r0_armv4t.ipk
Upgrading libefreet-mime0 on root from 1:0.5.0.043+cvs20080710-r0 to
1:0.5.0.043+cvs20080722-r0...
Downloading 
http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily-feed/armv4t/libefreet-mime0_0.5.0.043+cvs20080722-r0_armv4t.ipk
Installing efreet (1:0.5.0.043+cvs20080722-r0) to root...
Downloading 
http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily-feed/armv4t/efreet_0.5.0.043+cvs20080722-r0_armv4t.ipk
Collected errors:
 * Package efreet wants to install file /usr/lib/libefreet.so.0.5.0
But that file is already provided by package  * libefreet0
 * Package efreet wants to install file /usr/lib/libefreet.so.0
But that file is already provided by package  * libefreet0
 * Package efreet wants to install file /usr/lib/libefreet.so.0.5.0
But that file is already provided by package  * libefreet0
 * Package efreet wants to install file /usr/lib/libefreet.so.0
But that file is already provided by package  * libefreet0
 * Package efreet wants to install file /usr/lib/libefreet.so.0.5.0
But that file is already provided by package  * libefreet0
 * Package efreet wants to install file /usr/lib/libefreet.so.0
But that file is already provided by package  * libefreet0

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Re: FR - ASU image - keyboard with wrong characters

Hello,

On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 12:13 PM, Johny Tenfinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 BTW, I really, really miss a backspace key on this keyboard.

 Click some key and drag to left - it should work as backspace key.

On the keyboard? any key?
I just can't seem to get that to work. I click down on a key on the
keyboard (say 5) and drag left. When I release that key, the number
5 is added to the input field.
I also tried to drag in other directions - didn't help.
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Re: FR - ASU image - keyboard with wrong characters

Hi,

On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 2:21 PM, Ole Kliemann
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
You can work around this by running `opkg upgrade -force-overwrite'.

Thanks, I'll try that.

But besides this, for me the latestes ASU version has no keyboard at
all. Already posted this on the support list. So as long as yours is
still usable, I would not upgrade further until this is solved.

Unless you want to increase the pool of testing data. ;)
Well, I'm all in for testing stuff here, so I'll just go ahead and upgrade:

[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# opkg upgrade -force-overwrite
Upgrading e-wm on root from 0.16.999.042+cvs20080710-r10 to
0.16.999.042+cvs20080722-r10...
Downloading
http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily-feed/armv4t/e-wm_0.16.999.042+cvs20080722-r10_armv4t.ipk
Installing efreet (1:0.5.0.043+cvs20080722-r0) to root...
Downloading
http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily-feed/armv4t/efreet_0.5.0.043+cvs20080722-r0_armv4t.ipk
Upgrading illume on root from 0.0+svnr133-r6 to 0.0+svnr152-r6...
Downloading
http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily-feed/armv4t/illume_0.0+svnr152-r6_armv4t.ipk
Upgrading libefreet-mime0 on root from 1:0.5.0.043+cvs20080710-r0 to
1:0.5.0.043+cvs20080722-r0...
Downloading
http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily-feed/armv4t/libefreet-mime0_0.5.0.043+cvs20080722-r0_armv4t.ipk
Configuring e-wm
update-alternatives: Linking //usr/bin/x-window-manager to
/usr/bin/enlightenment_start.oe
Configuring efreet
Configuring illume
Configuring libefreet-mime0

You were correct - no keyboard at all. Tested with the SIM PIN diaolg
and the Contacts app.
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Re: FR - ASU image - keyboard with wrong characters

Hello,

On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 12:53 PM, Michael Sheldon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  I believe this is a known bug: http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1533

  It occurs when the USB cable is plugged in, try removing the USB and
 see if the keyboard starts working correctly.

Hmm, a bit too late - I just did 'opkg upgrade -force-overwrite' and
now don't have a keyboard at all.
Yes, I *was* warned in advance :-)

Which poses another question. A new thread in a few minutes.
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Re: FR - ASU image - keyboard with wrong characters

Hello,

On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 12:53 PM, Michael Sheldon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  I believe this is a known bug: http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1533

  It occurs when the USB cable is plugged in, try removing the USB and
 see if the keyboard starts working correctly.

I was able to confirm this by using the dialer keypad (which still works).
Yes, this is the same bug. The keypad works normally when usb is
unplugged. You can plug and unplug usb many times, the bug is only
active when the usb is connected.

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Re: FreeBSD / dfu-util

Hello,

On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 10:20 PM, Jay Vaughan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 have you got libusb somewhere?  OSX needs it too, btw ..

libusb is available in ports on FreeBSD: http://www.freshports.org/devel/libusb/


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Re: Why is Qtopia much faster?

Hello,

On Thu, Jul 24, 2008 at 12:21 AM, Lorn Potter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 By releasing something that allows closed source linking, you are restricting 
 your users rights to
 recompile all the software. How is that giving your users more rights?
 If you don't like free software, why the heck are you developing for a 'free 
 your phone' phone?

 http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/why-not-lgpl.html

People, this discussion has turned _very_ off topic now.
Could you all please take further discussion on this subject in a
place where it is more on topic?

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Re: What is Exposure?

Hello,

On Thu, Jul 24, 2008 at 8:00 PM, Michael Sheldon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  It was the mention on the bug report Jeff linked to in the ASU
 keyboard thread that we should be using the packages from
 downloads.openmoko.org that put me on the right track, after that it was
 just a matter of poking around to find the up-to-date ASU repositories
 there and update the opkg feed configs.

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Re: ASU Keyboard yet again

Hello,

On Thu, Jul 24, 2008 at 7:54 PM, Michael Sheldon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 simarillion wrote:
 Thank you,
 it works fine, but how can I switch to the full keyboard which has not only
 the letters? Do I need an additional package?

  Drag your finger upwards (or downwards) and you'll cycle through the
 layouts (lower case, upper case, symbols, numbers).

I just wanted to say that now that the ASU / Qtopia whatever keyboard
is working again I find it quite usable.
left drag for backspace also works now, I don't know why it didn't before.
and right drag is enter. up drag is changing pane (layout / keys)
and down drag changes in the other direction. Very nice!
I can even use the keyboard with my fingers now!
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Re: gpsd not in ASU repository?

Hello,

On Fri, Jul 25, 2008 at 4:01 AM, Christopher White [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 It's not necessary in ASU.

I disagree - gpsd or somethin like it is required no matter which
package you run on your FreeRunner.
Why? So that several applications cn get the gps data at the same time.

 The Diversity app works without any gpsd.

How? does it read directly from the tty?

 Enabled the GPS antenna using Exposure, then

Ah. Exposure dosn't start here, not even after I upgraded my ASU image
with opkg from
http://downloads.openmoko.org/openmoko-repository/ASU/armv4t

 4. Configuration / Preferences?  TangoGPS seems to have a lot more
 options for things.

Diversity lacks tracking, AFAICT.
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Re: What is Exposure?

Hello,

On Fri, Jul 25, 2008 at 11:57 AM, Yorick Moko [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 i'm using a fully up-to-date ASU, but exposure wont load is this
 normal? i've never been able to load it

I am alos now using a fully up to date ASU, thaks to Michael's instructions.
No, Exposure won't start here either.

Doing a 'ps ax | more' I suddenly see this:
 1336 ?S  0:00 /usr/bin/app-restarter The qpe process
vanished. This is bad.?This is not meant to happen and is likely a
sign of?a bug in Qtopia. Please try to reproduce it and?report the
issue to http://docs.openmoko.org.??To be able to use your phone as a
phone again you?will have to restart Qtopia.? qpe

It looks the same after a restart. HmmI wonder if this is related?
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ASU updated - qpe not working?

Hello,

I have just upgraded to the most updated ASU, by pointing opkg at
http://downloads.openmoko.org/openmoko-repository/ASU/

using Michael Sheldon's instructions from another thread in this list.

I really like the read battary charging indicator. :-)

But when I do 'ps ax | more' I see this:
 1345 ?S  0:00 /usr/bin/app-restarter The qpe process
vanished. This is bad.?This is not meant to happen and is likely a
sign of?a bug in Qtopia. Please try to reproduce it and?report the
issue to http://docs.openmoko.org.??To be able to use your phone as a
phone again you?will have to restart Qtopia.? qpe

Huh?
How do I restart qpe? Therer doesn't seems to be a script for that in
/etc/init.d
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Re: ASU updated - qpe not working?

More info.

On Fri, Jul 25, 2008 at 12:54 PM, Torfinn Ingolfsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I really like the read battary charging indicator. :-)

Oops... red - red battery indicator. :)

 How do I restart qpe? Therer doesn't seems to be a script for that in
 /etc/init.d

When I try to restart qpe manually, I get this:

[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# DISPLAY=:0.0 qpe
ficgta01hardware plugin
Modem :  opening serial device  /dev/ttySAC0  at  115200
Modem :  Device: /dev/ttySAC0 is a tty device: True
Modem :  NONBLOCK successfully reset
Modem :  Opened  /dev/ttySAC0
AtChat :  T : AT+CMUX=0,0,5,31
Mux :  *** mux setup timed out ***
Modem :  Multiplexing has been disabled.
AtChat :  T : AT+CGMI
Mux :  *** mux setup timed out ***
Modem :  No modem vendor plug-in found - using default
AtChat :  T : AT+CBC
QDSync :  QDSyncTask::QDSyncTask


To me, it looks like something is wrong here. But it could just be me.
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Re: ASU updated - qpe not working?

Hello,

On Fri, Jul 25, 2008 at 1:55 PM, Michael Sheldon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 phone work correctly again. But I'm not sure if your current problem is
 being caused by that, or whether it's a completely separate problem.

 think the kernel whic got installed is the right one:

[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# opkg info task-base-kernel26
Package: task-base-kernel26
Version: 1.0-r67.01
Depends: sysfsutils, module-init-tools
Recommends: kernel-module-nls-utf8, kernel-module-input,
kernel-module-uinput, kernel-module-rtc-dev, kernel-module-rtc-proc,
kernel-module-rtc-sysfs, kernel-module-rtc-sa1100, kernel-module-unix
Status: unknown ok not-installed
Section: base
Architecture: om-gta02
maintainer: Angstrom Developers [EMAIL PROTECTED]
MD5Sum: 9e342863ccf4784531e6b7be0619fa33
Filename: task-base-kernel26_1.0-r67.01_om-gta02.ipk
Source: 
file:///home/build/internal-daily-build/git.openmoko.worktree/packages/tasks/task-base.bb
Description: Merge machine and distro options to create a basic
machine task/package

Package: task-base-kernel26
Version: 1.0-r69
Depends: sysfsutils, module-init-tools
Recommends: kernel-module-nls-utf8, kernel-module-input,
kernel-module-uinput, kernel-module-rtc-dev, kernel-module-rtc-proc,
kernel-module-rtc-sysfs, kernel-module-rtc-sa1100, kernel-module-unix
Status: install ok installed
Architecture: om-gta02

On closer inspection, perhpas not:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# opkg info kernel
Package: kernel
Version: 2:2.6.24+git75929+66a83c97c4545ce4f07e0d90998f906fae49caf2-r1
Depends: kernel-2.6.24
Status: install user installed
Section: kernel
Architecture: neo1973
maintainer: Angstrom Developers [EMAIL PROTECTED]
MD5Sum: a39c6c6ecd0cf5375f3cf05568a12115
Size: 864
Filename: 
kernel_2.6.24+git75929+66a83c97c4545ce4f07e0d90998f906fae49caf2-r1_neo1973.ipk
Source: git://git.openmoko.org/git/kernel.git;protocol=git;branch=stable
Description: Linux 2.6.x (development) kernel for FIC SmartPhones
shipping w/ Openmoko

Here goes messing up the FR again:
 opkg -force-reinstall install
http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily-feed/om-gta02/kernel-2.6.24_2.6.24+git25+8533927964761f4e2078ccd8607b90f5acc60b93-r0_om-gta02.ipk

Crap, that didn't work. Neither did variations.
Ok, I'll rename the old /etc/opkg-backup into /etc/opkg, do an 'opkg
update', 'opkg install kernel' and then rename things back again.
Tha seems to have worked:
http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily-feed/om-gta02/kernel-image-2.6.24_2.6.24+git25+8533927964761f4e2078ccd8607b90f5acc60b93-r0_om-gta02.ipk

I wonder hwat happens when I reboot the FR now...
Ok, a cuple of restars and it seems to work now. Phew!
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Re: What is Exposure?

Hello,

On Fri, Jul 25, 2008 at 4:35 PM, Staley, Daniel L [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 However, once I opkg upgraded this morning, I ran into the problem a few 
 people have posted on here about (Exposure not working).

What do you get if you do 'opkg info kernel'?
Somehow the 'opkg update' followed by 'opkg upgrade'  got me a neo1973
kernl on my FR.
After manually fixing this, I now have:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# opkg info kernel
Package: kernel
Version: 2:2.6.24+git25+8533927964761f4e2078ccd8607b90f5acc60b93-r0
Depends: kernel-2.6.24
Status: install user installed
Section: kernel
Architecture: om-gta02
maintainer: Angstrom Developers [EMAIL PROTECTED]
MD5Sum: 117471df1320d854a7f493c39bc649f3
Size: 936
Filename: 
kernel_2.6.24+git25+8533927964761f4e2078ccd8607b90f5acc60b93-r0_om-gta02.ipk
Source: git://git.openmoko.org/git/kernel.git;protocol=git;branch=stable
file://0001-squashfs-with-lzma.patch;patch=1
file://0002-squashfs-initrd.patch;patch=1
file://0003-squashfs-force-O2.patch;patch=1
file://0004-squashfs-Kconfig.patch;patch=1
file://0005-squashfs-Makefile.patch;patch=1
Description: Linux 2.6.x (development) kernel for FIC SmartPhones
shipping w/ Openmoko


  Has anyone found a fix for this?  It was working before the newest update 
 and i have my repos pointed to the correct ASU ones.

I haven't at least. If I try to start it from a shell, it still does this:

[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# DISPLAY=:0.0 app-launcher.py exposure
Can't connect to unix socket - starting daemon ...
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~#

I wonder if it is related to this:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# ps ax | grep qpe
 1346 ?S  0:00 /usr/bin/app-restarter The qpe process
vanished. This is bad.?This is not meant to happen and is likely a
sign of?a bug in Qtopia. Please try to reproduce it and?report the
issue to http://docs.openmoko.org.??To be able to use your phone as a
phone again you?will have to restart Qtopia.? qpe
 1349 ?Sl 0:44 qpe
 1548 pts/0S+ 0:00 grep qpe

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Re: ASU updated - qpe not working?

More info.

On Fri, Jul 25, 2008 at 5:09 PM, Torfinn Ingolfsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Ok, a cuple of restars and it seems to work now. Phew!

But qpe still crashes / fails:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# ps ax | grep qpe
 1346 ?S  0:00 /usr/bin/app-restarter The qpe process
vanished. This is bad.?This is not meant to happen and is likely a
sign of?a bug in Qtopia. Please try to reproduce it and?report the
issue to http://docs.openmoko.org.??To be able to use your phone as a
phone again you?will have to restart Qtopia.? qpe
 1349 ?Sl 0:44 qpe
 1548 pts/0S+ 0:00 grep qpe
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~#

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opkg tries to install package with wrong arch? (Was: What is Exposure?)

Hello,

After pointing the opkg repository to
http://downloads.openmoko.org/openmoko-repository/ASU/ per Michael
Sheldon's instructions and doing an 'opkg update' on my FreeRunner, I
do this:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# opkg -test upgrade
Upgrading kernel on root from
2:2.6.24+git25+8533927964761f4e2078ccd8607b90f5acc60b93-r0 to
2:2.6.24+git75929+66a83c97c4545ce4f07e0d90998f906fae49caf2-r1...
Downloading 
http://downloads.openmoko.org/openmoko-repository/ASU/neo1973/kernel_2.6.24+git75929+66a83c97c4545ce4f07e0d90998f906fae49caf2-r1_neo1973.ipk
Multiple packages (kernel-2.6.24 and kernel-2.6.24) providing same
name marked HOLD or PREFER.  Using latest.
Multiple packages (kernel-2.6.24 and kernel-2.6.24) providing same
name marked HOLD or PREFER.  Using latest.
Multiple packages (kernel-2.6.24 and kernel-2.6.24) providing same
name marked HOLD or PREFER.  Using latest.
Multiple packages (kernel-2.6.24 and kernel-2.6.24) providing same
name marked HOLD or PREFER.  Using latest.

Why does opkg try to install a kernel for the neo1973?

My current kernel is this one:

Package: kernel
Version: 2:2.6.24+git25+8533927964761f4e2078ccd8607b90f5acc60b93-r0
Depends: kernel-2.6.24
Status: install user installed
Architecture: om-gta02
Installed-Time: 1217001495

But it tries to install this one:
Package: kernel
Version: 2:2.6.24+git75929+66a83c97c4545ce4f07e0d90998f906fae49caf2-r1
Depends: kernel-2.6.24
Status: unknown ok not-installed
Section: kernel
Architecture: neo1973
maintainer: Angstrom Developers [EMAIL PROTECTED]
MD5Sum: a39c6c6ecd0cf5375f3cf05568a12115
Size: 864
Filename: 
kernel_2.6.24+git75929+66a83c97c4545ce4f07e0d90998f906fae49caf2-r1_neo1973.ipk
Source: git://git.openmoko.org/git/kernel.git;protocol=git;branch=stable
Description: Linux 2.6.x (development) kernel for FIC SmartPhones
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Re: FR and iPhone - how can they be compared?

Hi,

On Fri, Jul 25, 2008 at 6:07 PM, Sparrow [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Howdy Flemming,

Neat idea's about the FR and custom hardware.  I currently have an
 arduino project that works great with the Freerunner, connecting both
 via blue tooth and via usb.  The arduino is used to control a custom
 irrigation solution I build on my roof using earth boxs, and the sends
 the data back to the FR for alerting and monitoring.

Interesting. Is therer a web page for this project somewhere?
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Re: Now that you have your phone, what are you doing?

On Fri, Jul 25, 2008 at 4:30 PM, Breakable [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hi there,
 Just wondering those of you who have the device already, what are you doing
 with your new device?

Mainly I am testing GPS functions. I am currently not using the
FreeRunner as my main phone, mainly becase my main phone is a work
phone with business mail on it. I might use the FR as my peronal phone
in the future.

Other than that I am installing, testing and using as much as I can on
the FR. Currently I am testing the ASU image / stack.
I have just recently learned how to use the ASU (Qtopia?) keyboard,
and find it working quite well.
Now all I need is national characters (I'm Norwegian so that means
æøåÆØÅ) and a way to set up a national dictionary / word list for the
predictive keyboard (press-and-hold works, but is very slow) and I'll
be really happy with this keyboard.

I have not got Exposure to work yet, still working on that.
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Re: list subscription question

Hello,

On Fri, Jul 25, 2008 at 8:23 PM, Yochai Gal [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I check the list every day, but so many come in my inbox everyday that it's
 hard to sort through my mail.
 I've set up some gmail filters, of course, but it still shows up in all
 mail.  I do read the forums daily  but I don't like it getting mixed up
 with my regular mail.

Have you selected skip inbox on those filters? That works nicely for me.
(I use a separate label for each list I am subscribed to.
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Re: opkg tries to install package with wrong arch? (Was: What is Exposure?)

Hello,

On Sat, Jul 26, 2008 at 12:56 AM, Michael Sheldon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  It seems there are no om-gta02 kernel packages on downloads; as such
 I've updated the feeds config at
 http://www.mikeasoft.com/~mike/opkg-asu.tar.gz to include the buildhost
 om-gta02 repository, and I'm now getting correct kernels being installed
 when upgrading.

It still doesn't look quite right here:

[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# opkg -test upgrade
Upgrading angstrom-version on root from 1:P1-Snapshot-20080725-r1 to
1:P1-Snapshot-20080726-r1...
Downloading 
http://downloads.openmoko.org/openmoko-repository/ASU/om-gta02/angstrom-version_P1-Snapshot-20080726-r1_om-gta02.ipk
Upgrading e-wm on root from 0.16.999.042+cvs20080725-r10 to
0.16.999.042+cvs20080725-r11...
Downloading 
http://downloads.openmoko.org/openmoko-repository/ASU/armv4t/e-wm_0.16.999.042+cvs20080725-r11_armv4t.ipk
Upgrading kernel on root from
2:2.6.24+git25+8533927964761f4e2078ccd8607b90f5acc60b93-r0 to
2:2.6.24+git75929+66a83c97c4545ce4f07e0d90998f906fae49caf2-r1...
Downloading 
http://downloads.openmoko.org/openmoko-repository/ASU/neo1973/kernel_2.6.24+git75929+66a83c97c4545ce4f07e0d90998f906fae49caf2-r1_neo1973.ipk

I did an opkg update first, of course.
Is opkg caching this information somewhere else?
Or am I doing something wrong?
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Re: opkg tries to install package with wrong arch? (Was: What is Exposure?)

On Sat, Jul 26, 2008 at 12:44 PM, Michael Sheldon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Could you check that you now have a file called
 /etc/opkg/om-gta02-daily-feed.conf?

Yes, I have that file:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# ll /etc/opkg
drwxr-xr-x2 root root0 Jul 26 12:31 ./
drwxr-xr-x   49 root root0 Jul 26 11:49 ../
-rw-r--r--1 root root   75 Jul 15 02:56 all-feed.conf
-rw-r--r--1 root root  115 Jan  1  1970 arch.conf
-rw-r--r--1 root root   81 Jul 15 02:56 armv4t-feed.conf
-rw-r--r--1 root root   85 Jan  1  1970
community-repository-feed.conf
-rw-r--r--1 root root   83 Jul 15 02:56 neo1973-feed.conf
-rw-r--r--1 root root   80 Jul 26 00:41 om-gta02-daily-feed.conf
-rw-r--r--1 root root   85 Jul 15 02:56 om-gta02-feed.conf

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'hwclock' not working? (ASU)

Hello,

I'm running ASU on my FR.

It seems that something is broken or missing for the 'hwclock' command to work:

[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# uname -a
Linux om-gta02 2.6.24 #1 PREEMPT Wed Jul 23 08:50:28 CST 2008 armv4tl unknown
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~#
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# hwclock --systohc
hwclock: can't open '/dev/misc/rtc': No such file or directory
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# hwclock -s
hwclock: can't open '/dev/misc/rtc': No such file or directory
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# hwclock --help
BusyBox v1.11.1 (2008-07-18 00:49:01 CEST) multi-call binary

Usage: hwclock [-r|--show] [-s|--hctosys] [-w|--systohc]
[-l|--localtime] [-u|--utc] [-f FILE]
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