Re: Some questions to new SHR images (ubifs, gps)
If you read the SHR wiki page[1] you will find a list of features. The ones with a red background are broken. GPS is broken and links to a ticket on the SHR bug tracker[2]. GPS not working after suspend is a known issue. If you have any insight into the bug (like it stopped working when I upgraded from the x.y.z kernel to the to the2.6.32 kernel), please post it to that thread. Thanks, Neil Another who has the problem [1]: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/SHR [2]: http://www.shr-project.org/trac/ticket/1085 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: State of FreeCalypso
A non-technical comment that you can take or leave - but it is my genuine response to your writings... I'm impressed by your dedication and detail, and I partly enjoy reading your updates; but I find it hard to forget the unacceptably violent threats that you've made in the past (on this list) towards particular people. I wonder if you might now consider retracting and apologising for those, and undertake not to repeat similar in future? Viva la humanidad! Neil Original Message From: Spacefalcon the Outlaw Sent: Saturday, 18 April 2015 07:29 To: community@lists.openmoko.org Reply To: List for Openmoko community discussion Subject: State of FreeCalypso Hello community, This periodic post is a summary of the goals of the FreeCalypso family of projects and the high-level status toward their achievement. Goals = The overall end goals of the project are, in no particular order: 1. Produce a standalone realization of Openmoko's modem. I have had occasion to work with various GSM modems and phones acting as modems (presenting an AT command interface) since A.D. 2000, and the modem in the Freerunner is by far the nicest I've ever touched. TI's implementation of the GSM specs is the richest in terms of functionality (contrast with the lack of CSD support in most 3G+ USB stick modems), and thanks to the Leonardo semi-src find, we now have full visibility into its inner workings. But it's a shame that this awesome GSM+GPRS modem is currently tucked away in the guts of the Freerunner, inaccessible to anyone besides the tiny handful of active FR owners/users - and even when one does have a Freerunner, it is not possible to take the FR's AP subsystem out of the picture and use the modem directly from an external host; one has to go through the AP instead, severely limiting the ability to use this modem outside of the FR. Hence I would like to build a modem just like Om's, but brought out on a board by itself, with external connections for power and the two UARTs. And throw in a quadband RFFE and a higher capacity flash+pSRAM chip while at it. 2. Produce a practically usable phone that runs practically free firmware, i.e., fw whose source every user is empowered to study and improve or otherwise modify. Note the emphasis on practical usability. I hear from FR owners that the practical usability of the FR as a phone is rather poor, and because there is absolutely nothing wrong with the modem (hw or fw), the defects in usability must be the result of some flaw(s) in the AP subsystem - a subsystem which from my PoV is nothing but unwanted complexity. And I would never be able to use my FR as a personal phone because it would require running something like QtMoko, and that stuff is far too complex for my old peasant mind. Free software which is far too complex for me to understand and work with comfortably is little different from proprietary sw from the purely practical standpoint - it's a impenetrable black box in practical terms. Therefore, the only way for me to have a practically usable phone that runs practically free firmware is to produce a non-smart phone, a plain phone with no AP subsystem. The long-term solution is to build my own handset hardware, but in the short term it would be OK to use not-quite-fitting but already existing hardware like Pirelli and Motorola phones. 3. Produce a FreeCalypso modem module that could be used in the place of off-the-shelf proprietary ones by free smartphone projects like Neo900. I would like to buy a couple of Neo900 units for two of my family members, but cannot do so for as long as the product includes a modem module from an immoral vendor who withholds source code and documentation and imposes restricted boot barriers to alternative firmware implementations. To the person who emailed me off-list and asked if I could design my FreeCalypso modem in the form factor matching Gemalto's so it could be a drop-in replacement: yes, I still like that idea very much and would like to do it, but I'm unsure whether I can manage such a task by myself, so we may need to work on it together. I also think that it would be easier if I prove my basic design first on a non-form-factor-constrained board, and then go through the form factor gymnastics as a second step. So the above 3 are the overall goals of the FreeCalypso family of projects. Out of those, goal 2 (practically usable non-smart phone running free fw) has been my main focus because it is the one that would improve my own quality of life: I am sick and tired of dealing with Pirelli's proprietary fw (I use a Pirelli DP-L10 as my personal daily phone, running its original proprietary fw as nothing better exists yet - better as in more free *and* practically usable), and I really, really, really want to replace it with my own free firmware. Firmware subproject === The firmware subproject of FreeCalypso is leading up toward an intermediate goal which is not listed among the end
Re: FOSDEM2016
I will be there on Sunday afternoon. Focussed in the SDN/NFV DevRoom, but would love to meet up. Neil Original Message From: Boudewijn Sent: Sunday, 24 January 2016 21:59 To: List for communicating with real GTA04 owners; List for Openmoko community discussion Reply To: List for Openmoko community discussion Subject: FOSDEM2016 Hi lists, Do any of you intend to visit Brussels for FOSDEM, next weekend? I have been terribly inactive, with hardly enough time to lurk the mailinglist, let alone participate in anything. This year I can make it to FOSDEM, it would be nice to meet if there's a chance to. Best regards, Boudewijn ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Application idea: Bicycle computer
Hi Hank, I think what he's saying is that you can get after market receivers for polar chest straps eg http://www.concept2.com/us/products/heart/default.asp, which I have used myself in projects.. These can be easily interfaced to a micro (or the Neo in this case).. measure the time between pulses to determine the heart rate.. These receivers work with coded or uncoded Polar straps. The coded straps give extra pulses after the main pules, but that's a whole other matter.. :) Regards Neil Davey hank williams wrote: You can get receivers for Polar chest straps that signal beats with gpio-accessible pulses. If the Neo1973 isn't completely packed inside, it should be an easy add-on. I dont understand what you are saying here. Are you saying there is a wireless reciever on the market which can be purchased which is compatible with polar? If so, what is it? What is the signaling standard. Is gpio a wireless signaling standard? If so, I was not able to find it. It seems like a wired standard, and if it is a wired standard I am not clear how you can connect it to a polar strap since the strap broadcasts wireless signals. Thanks Hank ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- --- Neil Davey Daveytronics.com.au P.O. Box 6089 Logan Central QLD, 4114 Looking for cost effective web hosting? Need a domain name for your business? It's cheaper than you think!! Talk to us and see what we can do for you --- ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Application idea: Bicycle computer
If you are referring to the signal from the Polar straps, it is not really a protocol... It is just a magnetic pules transmitted when the heart beat occurs.. I have some docs somewhere but can not find them at the moment.. >From a google search there is a page that talks about the transmitter (polar strap) signal.. The receiver I mentioned outputs a logic hi (1) when a pulse is detected from the polar strap, measure the time between pulses to determine heart rate.. Regards Neil hank williams wrote: On Dec 4, 2007 7:11 AM, Neil Davey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Hank, I think what he's saying is that you can get after market receivers for polar chest straps eg http://www.concept2.com/us/products/heart/default.asp, which I have used myself in projects.. ok, but what is the protocol. Is it ant? ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- --- Neil Davey Daveytronics.com.au P.O. Box 6089 Logan Central QLD, 4114 Looking for cost effective web hosting? Need a domain name for your business? It's cheaper than you think!! Talk to us and see what we can do for you --- ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: CAD files for the case of the Neo will be made available
Michael Shiloh wrote: I personally look forward to non-traditional materials. I have an obsession with concrete, which I'm trying to figure out how to apply in this situation. lol.. concrete.. nice.. so a modern 'brick' phone.. :) Anyone have access to useful manufacturing tools? I have friends with CNC mills and lathes, and one with a water jet cutter. I have indirect access to 3D printers. Anything else interesting out there? I have a Roland MDX-15 machine and also a Sherline 5410 CNC Mill (less than 12 month old) and have a number of 1/16th inch end mills which are ok for fine work.. will be interested to look at the case models when they come out... Neil Davey Michael ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- --- Neil Davey Daveytronics.com.au P.O. Box 6089 Logan Central QLD, 4114 Looking for cost effective web hosting? Need a domain name for your business? It's cheaper than you think!! Talk to us and see what we can do for you --- ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: CAD files for the case of the Neo will be made available
Can you generate CAM paths with Blender? That I don't know. I don't think Blender does.. although you might be able to write a plugin.. :) It's for windows, but I've been evaluating MeshCAM (http://www.grzsoftware.com/) for tool path generation from STL files and it seems ok so far, but I've only used it handful of times.. Regards Neil Davey Michael ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- --- Neil Davey Daveytronics.com.au P.O. Box 6089 Logan Central QLD, 4114 Looking for cost effective web hosting? Need a domain name for your business? It's cheaper than you think!! Talk to us and see what we can do for you --- ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: FreeRunner Pricing and PVT update
>From the involvement I've had with injection molding the costs of material (ie the plastic) per piece it not very expensive, it's the mold tool that is the expensive part.. For one project I'm involved in I think the mold tool was something like $10KUSD.. This is a production quality (read high quality) tool... I have heard of cheaper tools out of china I think (like a few $K), but don't think the quality is as good.. Just my 2c Regards Neil Davey Hugo Mills wrote: On Wed, Apr 16, 2008 at 06:32:09PM +0200, Peter Kraker wrote: Someone with a knack for business should simply grab those CAD files and start manufacturing replacement cases in gazillion different colors. I thought the same. So I've picked an injection moulding firm more or less at random, and asked them about the costs and processes involved -- just to see what it would take to do. Hugo. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- --- Neil Davey Daveytronics.com.au P.O. Box 6089 Logan Central QLD, 4114 Looking for cost effective web hosting? Need a domain name for your business? It's cheaper than you think!! Talk to us and see what we can do for you --- ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Neo Freerunner Quickstart Guide
Hi Michael, Just had a read through the guide.. you've covered the topics that I'd be after (toolchain, sample app build and install).. Looks good so far... Regards Neil Davey Michael Shiloh wrote: Since Steve dropped the hint that I've been working on a user guide of sorts for the Neo Freerunner, some of you have been asking me about it, so we've decided to push it to the website before it's really ready. The intended audience is a reasonably technical developer, but a newcomer to the community, one that doesn't have the background that most of you have. Furthermore, the guide is not intended to explain everything. It's just a way to get started. That's why I called it a quickstart guide. The guide does not describe how to use the current applications. I expect they will change a lot, and anyway, most people receiving these early samples are more interested in developing their projects based on the Freerunner, and are less interested in using the device as their daily phone. Finally, the web page is intentionally free of any decorations. At some point we will define a standard Openmoko appearance such as font, background color, etc., but for now it's just text. My normal tool for creating web pages is vi, and it shows, although I did try to use Open Office for this one. As you will see, I have a lot more to fill in, but I would welcome your feedback on what is already there, and suggestions for topics you think should be included. The quickstart guide can be found at http://quickstart.openmoko.org/ Sincerely, Michael ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Value of headsets and pouches for 10 pack orders?
It's not so much the declaration.. It's more the fact that the whole shipment will be over a certain value (I think $1000?).. Here is oz if it's above a certain value you have to pay GST (extra 10%), plus I think a customs duty as well... which just sucks big time.. To answer Chris's question.. I don't think any prices have been posted/mentioned yet for items like that.. Regards Neil ian douglas wrote: If it's included in the bulk order, do you *need* to declare an extra value? Chris Hogan wrote: Just wondering if anyone knows how much the bonus pouch/headsets being offered with the bulk orders would cost if purchased separately? The Sydney group are looking into the (huge) customs costs ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- --- Neil Davey Daveytronics.com.au P.O. Box 6089 Logan Central QLD, 4114 Looking for cost effective web hosting? Need a domain name for your business? It's cheaper than you think!! Talk to us and see what we can do for you --- ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Fast questions about GTA03
On Saturday June 28, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was thinking of asking the very same thing. When dialing or using a calculator or sending a text message, the glamo would only slow us down. Or am I mistaken? Maybe it's a very stupid question (I presume if it were possible such a trivial feat would already be implemented). The glamo is the video controller. If you disable the glamo, you don't get any picture. NeilBrown y On Sat, Jun 28, 2008 at 11:21 AM, Atilla Filiz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can we just disable glamo with software and use it only when profitable? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: rationale for ASU (and change from GTK to Qt)
On Saturday June 28, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have to say that I find it a bit odd running X11 on a mobile phone - a WM wouldn't be required without it - when an alternative is possible. In fact, as far as I can ascertain an alternative already exists. X11 seems logical to me for desktop computers, but not for a device which will only ever have one main window on the screen at a time. I had mistakenly understood earlier Openmoko builds to be non- X11 (i.e. qtopia-ish?) Saying we don't need X11 because we only have one window is a bit like we don't need a multitasking operating system, because we only have one user. It just isn't that simple. If all that X11 does for us is to allow switching between concurrently running programs, written against different toolkits, then that is a very useful thing. I would hate for someone to be turned of writing an app for Openmoko because the toolkit they liked wasn't supported, so I think it is very important to support qt and gtk (and tk and ...). The only way to support multiple toolkits today is with an X11 server. X11 allows freedom of toolkit choice, and freedom is what we are all about. NeilBrown ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GTA02 GPS rework for SD card interference issue
Hi Tony, all If there enough space to fit an 0603 cap in there? I don't have my FR yet to look at it, it's in transit... Regards Neil Davey On 18/07/2008, at 7:28 PM, Neng-Yu Tu (Tony Tu) wrote: Dear Community: For GTA02 SD card interference GPS issue, our hardware team provide a hardware fix/workaround for this coexistence bug. Sorry post it late, because we have to make sure this fix works and don't have side effects. Here is the fix: http://www.openmoko.org/wiki/Image:Gta02_gps_10pf_rework_sop.pdf This fix could give almost same performance with SD card out of case. But this work still not suggest do by yourself, also, this fix need proper size capacitor (10 pf with 0402 package), and some solder technique. We saw people ask about service issues of Openmoko devices, and we are working on it. Our sales discussing with our distributor about proper services model, but do not have consensus yet, I will keep update it. Thanks, Tony Tu Openmoko, Inc. Support ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community --- Neil Davey Daveytronics.com.au P.O. Box 6089 Logan Central QLD, 4114 Looking for cost effective web hosting? Need a domain name for your business? It's cheaper than you think!! Talk to us and see what we can do for you --- ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GPS rework: Please test and report on software fix prior to attempting any hardware fix
On Tuesday August 5, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For a bit more consistency of timing, less manual intervention, and enough readings to get an idea of the run to run variation in that location, can I suggest a script? It could do with a timeout when waiting for a fix since with deivestrength 3 and idleclk 1 this can take a _very_ long time, possibly forever in some locations! Thanks for the script. After wondering for a while why it didn't work at all for me, I added stty min 1 /dev/ttySAC1 because either frameworkd in FSO or openmoko-agpsui did an stty min 0 /dev/ttySAC1 and that caused grep to exit immediately. Anyway, I haven't let it run completely yet, but the first result is d i time 0 0 real 9m 52.15s Yes, nearly 10 minutes. This is indoors, but I have had problems getting a GPS fix everywhere, inside, outside, in a car, in the park. Once it fixes it tracks OK (though it doesn't recover from going into a shopping complex and coming out again). It seems a lot like the originally reported problem, but this is with a kernel that has the fix and the magic sysfs files: Linux om-gta02 2.6.24 #1 PREEMPT Tue Jul 29 01:19:38 UTC 2008 armv4tl unknown I have the wireless going, but GSM is possibly turned off as I killed frameworkd to make sure it wasn't touching the GPS. I know someone who I trust to solder the capacitor - should I try that (if I can get hold of him)? Another result just came in: d i time 0 0 real 9m 52.15s 0 1 real 8m 29.79s These numbers are actually pretty good. openmoko-agpsui was giving me 1000 or 2100 seconds! I decided to take out the SD card (and the SIM card) and try again. (just chat quietly among yourselves while we wait for the first result). d i time 0 0 real 5m 14.32s 0 1 real 2m 56.78s 1 0 real 5m 37.79s Well, that wasn't so bad. But still not what I hoped for. I'm wondering if I got a lemon :-( NeilBrown ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GPS logger / field data collection
On Monday August 18, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was kind of surprised that gpsd didn't give me a simple way to just get the current location, I had to capture 5 sentences to do that simple thing, but what I really wanted was to simply get the last known lat and long I was at. With the data logger I can presumably do that by getting the last entry of the log. from the man page for gpsd p Returns the current position in the form P=%f %f; numbers are in degrees, latitude first. $ telnet tangogps.org gpsd Trying 82.240.156.91... Connected to tangogps.org. Escape character is '^]'. p GPSD,P=43.739028 7.364333 ^] telnet q Connection closed. 43 degrees north, 7 east. NeilBrown ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: QTopia full screen handwriting on OM2008?
On Monday September 1, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, According to Trolltech's documentation ( http://doc.trolltech.com/qtopia4.3/inputmethods-description.html), QTopia supports handwriting recognition. Is there some way to get handwriting recognition to work on the OM 2008 distribution? I don't want to start a discussion about the pros and cons of virtual keyboards, but I've been happy with the 'handwriting' recognition on my Sony Ericsson P910i, and just not having a keyboard covering half the screen would be nice. I'm working on it whether I'll ever finish is uncertain though :-) What I currently have is a little scribble pad application with handwriting recognition built in, so if you tap somewhere you can start drawing letters and digits and they are added to the scribble pad page as text. git://neil.brown.name/scribble/ This is largely just to test and experiment with handwriting recognition. I'm in the process of re-writing the recognition code so that it (hopefully) makes fewer mistakes. It currently gets confused between l (drawn like L) and e, has trouble recognising 8 and v, and various other little issues. But I find it usable. Then I'll put the recogniser into a program that grabs all touchscreen events and feeds them back as either key strokes or stylus events. My initial plan is that: - a tap goes straight through as a mouse click - a stroke is interpreted as a written symbol - a tap-and-drag (like you can do in a notebook's touchpad) becomes mouse movement - a vertical stroke in the right 1/3 of the screen becomes a scroll-wheel event. I don't know how the tap-and-drag will feel - it might be too frustrating. Eventually (if I get that far) I'd like to have a little widget in the illume status bar to allow selection of abc/123/stroke. But that will be much later. NeilBrown ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Illume Theme and E native gold theme
as far as i know (new to e17) every program can have its own .edj (theme) file and OMView is one that does. there are a couple of other places you will see the e17 theme (some of the crash notices, for instance). i think i even a png or two with stuff for the winter theme (the default e16 theme) somewhere. the OMView wiki page has instructions to install the illume theme. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Predictive keyboard not actually predictive?
Hello everyone, this is my first openmoko email, so please be gentle! It seems clear to me that the so-called predictive keyboard is not actually predictive at all; it is actually fuzzy, in terms of how it maps your stylus or finger position to a set of possible intended letters. In particular, surely this text in the wiki - The word recognition will try to guess the next inputs and displays the word it thinks you want to write. - is just nonsense, isn't it? I've never seen it guess at any letters beyond those that I've already pressed. I'm ready to register and update the wiki to say something closer to reality - but I just want to check first that I'm not missing or misunderstanding something. Thanks! Neil ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Predictive keyboard not actually predictive?
2008/9/14 Shawn prjktdtnt Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote: I actually think of it as restrictive instead of predictive because it only allows me to write what it thinks I want, and should give up as soon as it couldn't match a word. Having to wait 2s per letter for it to write what I want instead of what it thinks I want sucks :) I'd have to agree with Rui, I've installed FDOM which has raster's terminal keyboard so I just don't worry about it anymore I agree with that too - but that's not what my post was about! Please don't hijack my thread with other random keyboard gripes! Can I take it that you both agree with what I was writing about? Thanks, Neil ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: qtopia, earphone and mediaplayer
English translation added... 2008/9/14 Oscar Casamitjana [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hola a todos, Hello everyone. probando el qtopia 4.3.3, me he dado cuenta de que si conecto los auriculares mientras está sonando una canción se activa el altavoz del freerunner a la vez que se oye por los auriculares, pero si los desconecto, se desactiva el altavoz. Trying qtopia 4.3.3, I noticed that if I plug in the headphones while listening to a song, the sound is played through the FR's loudspeaker at the same time as coming through the headphones. If I disconnect the headphones, the loudspeaker deactivates. Haciendo un hexdump a /etc/input/events0 obtengo lo siguiente: Doing a hexdump of /etc/input/events0, I see the following: ** Conectando los auriculares *** (Connecting the headphones) [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# hexdump -C /dev/input/event0 99 67 cc 48 62 69 0a 00 05 00 02 00 01 00 00 00 |.g.Hbi..| 0010 99 67 cc 48 b2 69 0a 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 |.g.H.i..| *** Desconectando los auriculares *** (Disconnecting the headphones) [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# hexdump -C /dev/input/event0 da 67 cc 48 3b 64 05 00 05 00 02 00 00 00 00 00 |.g.H;d..| 0010 da 67 cc 48 84 64 05 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 |.g.H.d..| Como podeis observar, en la posicion 0x0c cambia el valor, si está conectado es 1 si está desconectado es 0, por lo que parece está bien. Por lo visto debe ser algo de la apliación mediaplayer. As you can see, at position 0x0c the value changes from 1 (if connected) to 0 (if disconnected) - so that seems good. Therefore I think this problem must be something in the media player application. ¿Sabeis algo de esto? Any ideas about this? Gracias. Oscar. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: distribution choice
Hi, just one query on this: 2008/9/15 Daniel Benoy [EMAIL PROTECTED]: You should be able to make software that runs on all the distributions, because they have X11 in common. If it can run on a Linux X11 PC with one mouse button and at 480x640, it should be able to run on any distribution in the forseeable future. I think I read somewhere that Qtopia doesn't use X11, and instead writes direct to the framebuffer - which I think would make it an exception to the above statement. Is that correct? Regards, Neil ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Predictive keyboard not actually predictive?
2008/9/15 Yogiz [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Can I take it that you both agree with what I was writing about? Yeah, you're right. Feel free to fix the wiki page. Thanks, I've done that now: http://wiki.openmoko.org/index.php?title=Om_2008.8_Keyboarddiff=53993oldid=53456 Please let me know if you have any comments. (Or just make further edits, of course!) Neil ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Google Android
2008/9/16 Rui Miguel Silva Seabra [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hi, AFAIK, Java is the de-facto standard programming language for the Android SDK. What is or not Free Software isn't yet known (again AFAIK) although it was rumoured to be about 20% non-free. Ah, Google's famous 20% ! :-) (For anyone who doesn't know: Google allow their software engineers to spend 20% of their time on their own projects.) Neil ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Qtopia and VOIP
2008/9/16 Lorn Potter [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Sorry, voip had to be removed from Qtopia. Something to do with Nokia's wider commercial interests/partnerships? Neil ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: What packages have cu and socat?
2008/9/17 W.Kenworthy [EMAIL PROTECTED]: What packages have cu and socat? BillK ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Bootloader (cu is in the taylor-uucp package, use apt-get install cu if it is not yet installed) the taylor-uucp package is in gentoo portage, and possibly in whatever repository you are using (though i cant be sure). if not im sure google can help you get it. i dont know about the other program though. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
[debian] Can't type with matchbox keyboard
Using the matchbox keyboard to type on my FR, I found that I couldn't type a character into vi. Shift-, and Shift-. both produce . It looks like the problem is in /usr/share/matchbox-keyboard/keyboard-extended.xml: at line 276, it has two key entries which both have default display=. / I would guess that the first key entry should actually have default display=, / (I'm also having trouble with my SSH right now, otherwise I'd test it and be more sure!) Regards, Neil ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: SD corruption(no suspend and sd_max_clk tested)
This is just another SD corruption data point, and a partial one, since I'm afraid I've lost any detailed logs. I am running Qtopia on flash, and Debian on the SD card. Two days ago I found that booting into Debian failed at the point of trying to mount the rootfs; the last message was Kernel panic..., and before that something about not having any filesystems able to mount the partition (/dev/mmcblk0p2). I recovered by rebooting into Qtopia and running e2fsck on /dev/mmcblk0p2, then I could boot into Debian again. I'm not an expert on fsck messages, but I think they indicated that the corruption had mainly affected the initial superblock. Hoping this is is of some use to somebody, Neil ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [debian] Can't type with matchbox keyboard
2008/9/19 Joachim Breitner [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Am Freitag, den 19.09.2008, 00:59 +0200 schrieb Neil Jerram: It looks like the problem is in /usr/share/matchbox-keyboard/keyboard-extended.xml: at line 276, it has two key entries which both have default display=. / I would guess that the first key entry should actually have default display=, / If you actually tested your fix? I have now. It doesn't work. I've also tried building and debugging the Debian source on my GNU/Linux x86 box, but I can't get the problem to reproduce there. Sorry! Neil ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Audio Jack Sampling Rate?
Hi Charles, 2008/9/21 Charles Pax [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I'm considering the plausibility of a little hardware project that would turn a Freerunner or any computer with an adequate sound card into a mimio [1] device. [...] Any input from the community? Assuming I've understood this even half-way correctly... It sounds like the accuracy of your triangulation will be limited by the small size of the FR; and when you add in the hardware and software path latency, I wonder if this will work accurately enough. (I'm assuming the marker would be a few metres away from the FR, is that right?) I think that points in a similar direction to Al's comment, i.e. moving some of the solution outside the FR, over USB. That would allow you to have more distance between the inputs, and so get more accuracy. Regards, Neil ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Audio Jack Sampling Rate?
2008/9/21 Charles Pax [EMAIL PROTECTED]: All the Freerunner would be needed for is processing the input of the mic-in. The freerunner microphone isn't used. Imagine a stick with two microphones glued 400 cm apart and connected to a audio cable. There is more to it, but that's pretty much what it would look like. OK, I see now, that makes sense. I had thought you were talking about two microphones in the FR itself. Best wishes, Neil ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [EMAIL PROTECTED] missing LAN tools
2008/9/23 Christian Weßel [EMAIL PROTECTED]: But from where can I get LAN tools for [EMAIL PROTECTED] In which package I will find it? ping is in inetutils-ping. Neil ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Duke Nukem 3D on Openmoko Neo
2008/9/23 Alasal [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I've put it into a package, so it is easy to install/remove. see http://onlinedev.blogspot.com/2008/09/getting-duke-nukem-3d-on-your-neo.html Nice, but why not put it into the community repository, so it just shows up in the package manager without people having to know your own URL? Regards, Neil ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [FDOM] Booting from SD, unable to open an initial console
2008/9/24 Neil Jerram [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Then I noticed that the rootfs.tar.gz doesn't actually have sbin/init in it. It has sbin/init.sysvinit. Should sbin/init be a symlink to that? Or is there another cause of this problem? Well, I created sbin/init as a symlink to init.sysvinit, and it made no difference. Boot failed with same messages as already posted. Any ideas much appreciated! Neil ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
[FDOM] Booting from SD, unable to open an initial console
Hi there, trying to boot from FDOM on my SD card... So I downloaded the latest rootfs.tar.gz and uImage.bin from http://compartida.net/openmoko/FDOM/, unpacked the rootfs.tar.gz into /media/mmcblk0p2, and copied the uImage.bin to /media/card. I was previously running Debian on the SD card, so I think my bootloader should already be correctly configured to boot this. But the boot comes to a halt with: VFS: Mounted root (ext2 filesystem). Freeing init memory: 128K Warning: unable to open an initial console. Kernel panic - not syncing: Attempted to kill init! Then I noticed that the rootfs.tar.gz doesn't actually have sbin/init in it. It has sbin/init.sysvinit. Should sbin/init be a symlink to that? Or is there another cause of this problem? And a related question: when the kernel panics, is there any way of powering off, other than removing the battery? Thanks, Neil ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [FDOM] Booting from SD, unable to open an initial console
2008/9/24 William Kenworthy [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Did you use -p in your unpack? I forgot it once and had similar issues. No, I didn't - because the Wiki (http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Booting_from_SD#Prepare_the_SD_card) doesn't say that. I'll update it. Thanks! Neil ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [FDOM] Booting from SD, unable to open an initial console
2008/9/24 Andy Green [EMAIL PROTECTED]: You can get this excitement if your SD card was mounted with nodev at unpack as well, usually that is complaining about no /dev/pts/* or other valid /dev bits needed. Thanks. I checked that at the time, though (because the Wiki covers it), and it didn't have nodev. I'll try Bill's -p, and report back. (Another factor that may be relevant is that I did the unpacking on the FR, from within Qtopia - which means that I was using the Busybox implementation of tar. Perhaps I also need to make sure that I'm using a proper tar?) Regards, Neil ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [FDOM] Booting from SD, unable to open an initial console
2008/9/24 Neil Jerram [EMAIL PROTECTED]: 2008/9/24 William Kenworthy [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Did you use -p in your unpack? I forgot it once and had similar issues. No, I didn't - because the Wiki (http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Booting_from_SD#Prepare_the_SD_card) doesn't say that. I'll update it. Actually, no need. According to the tar man page, -p is on by default when tar is run by root, and I'm sure anyone doing this kind of thing will be running as root. Neil ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [FDOM] Booting from SD, unable to open an initial console
2008/9/24 Neil Jerram [EMAIL PROTECTED]: 2008/9/24 Andy Green [EMAIL PROTECTED]: You can get this excitement if your SD card was mounted with nodev at unpack as well, usually that is complaining about no /dev/pts/* or other valid /dev bits needed. Thanks. I checked that at the time, though (because the Wiki covers it), and it didn't have nodev. I'll try Bill's -p, and report back. It didn't help. As just noted in another message, -p is on by default for root. After a few more experiments, I noticed that in the FDOM rootfs.tar.gz, all files have owner and group mutrox. So in fact -p is wrong anyway, and one should use -o, so that the unpacked files are owned by root. That said, -o still didn't solve my problem. (Another factor that may be relevant is that I did the unpacking on the FR, from within Qtopia - which means that I was using the Busybox implementation of tar. Perhaps I also need to make sure that I'm using a proper tar?) I have been using full GNU tar today. No difference, apparently. I'm pretty much giving up... If anyone else manages to install FDOM on SD, and boot from it, please let us know know! Regards, Neil ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [FDOM] Booting from SD, unable to open an initial console
2008/9/25 Al Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I did it at the end of last week. Don't remember exactly what I did but it didn't cause me any problems. I'm using the kernel from /boot on the SD. Did you have to change your bootloader configuration? Neil ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
[debian/zhone] Send an SMS
Is it possible to send an SMS (aka text message) in debian/zhone? If so, how? I couldn't work out how, or find any instructions anywhere. Thanks, Neil (wondering whether to move back to Debian, after failing to get going with FDOM...) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [debian/zhone] Send an SMS
2008/9/25 Michael 'Mickey' Lauer [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Am Donnerstag, den 25.09.2008, 12:29 +0100 schrieb Neil Jerram: Is it possible to send an SMS (aka text message) in debian/zhone? If so, how? I couldn't work out how, or find any instructions anywhere. http://docs.freesmartphone.org - org.freesmartphone.GSM.SIM With your favourite dbus binding: index = StoreMessage( +49123456789, Hi Darling. Dinner in 10 minutes? ) SendStoredMessage( index ) Cool, thanks! I actually meant - and so should have been precise - is there already something in the GUI for sending a message - because I was wondering if I'd missed it. I'll take your response as confirmation that the answer to that (GUI) question is no! Best wishes, Neil ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [FDOM] Booting from SD, unable to open an initial console
2008/9/25 Al Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
On Thursday 25 September 2008, Neil Jerram wrote:
Did you have to change your bootloader configuration?
I had to add a menu entry to the NAND uboot if that's what you mean - see
below. These are as in the wiki except for minor changes to account for my
configuration. The sd_max_clk is to try to fix the problem with my SD rootfs
getting I/O errors, but it doesn't. Both partitions are ext3, and the kernel
is in boot/uImage exactly where the tar file put it. I did edit /etc/fstab on
each partition to put the correct details in for the root partition.
menu_9=Boot FDOM from SD part.1: setenv bootargs ${bootargs_base}
rootfstype=ext3 root=/dev/mmcblk0p1 rootdelay=10 ${mtdparts} ro
glamo_mci.sd_max_clk=1000; mmcinit; ext2load mmc 1:1 0x3200
boot/uImage; bootm 0x3200
menu_10=Boot 2008.x from SD part.2: setenv bootargs ${bootargs_base}
rootfstype=ext3 root=/dev/mmcblk0p2 rootdelay=10 ${mtdparts} ro
glamo_mci.sd_max_clk=1000; mmcinit; ext2load mmc 1:2 0x3200
boot/uImage; bootm 0x3200
Thanks! That'll be useful next time I feel like having a go at this...
Regards,
Neil
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Re: [debian/zhone] Send an SMS
2008/9/26 Michael 'Mickey' Lauer [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Oh, the testing UI. Yes, you can send messages with that one as well. Push 'Messages', then chose a contact from your SIM, then compose your message, then it's going into the outbox and will be sent. Hm. I couldn't make anything like that work. I'll try again though if/when I have Debian installed again. Thanks, Neil ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
[debian] install failure, fso-frameworkd is not going to be installed
Just reinstalling debian, and the fso stage fails with: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# ./install.sh fso Running stage fso Installing FSO-specific packages Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree Reading state information... Done pkg-fso-keyring is already the newest version. Package xserver-xorg-input-all is not installed, so not removed [... repeat for lots of other xserver-xorg-input-* packages ...] Some packages could not be installed. This may mean that you have requested an impossible situation or if you are using the unstable distribution that some required packages have not yet been created or been moved out of Incoming. The following information may help to resolve the situation: The following packages have unmet dependencies: zhone-session: Depends: fso-frameworkd but it is not going to be installed E: Broken packages (I originally ran ./install.sh all, and that failed in exactly the same way. I then ran ./install.sh fso, to be sure, and to get the exact output to copy here.) Any solution? Thanks, Neil ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [debian] install failure, fso-frameworkd is not going to be installed
2008/9/28 Nathan Kinkade [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Just for the record, I'm seeing precisely the same thing. Thanks. It's a Debian unstable issue, not Free Runner specific; see Testing status here: http://packages.qa.debian.org/libc/libcaca.html. I'm in the process of trying to complete the install with Debian testing, instead of unstable - i.e. with sources.list like this: deb http://ftp2.de.debian.org/debian testing main deb http://ftp2.de.debian.org/debian experimental main deb http://pkg-fso.alioth.debian.org/debian unstable main But it's taking forever to unzip the testing Packages file... I'll report back if it works. Regards, Neil ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: email
2008/9/30 W.Kenworthy [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Cant handle 6-7000 messages going back 5 years (I regard this as medium, 5+ is large :) You may like to check the archives of the maemo-developers mailing list. There were similar discussions recently there, and IIRC with possible solutions. Regards, Neil ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [debian] install failure, fso-frameworkd is not going to be installed
2008/9/28 Neil Jerram [EMAIL PROTECTED]: 2008/9/28 Neil Jerram [EMAIL PROTECTED]: No, it doesn't. Now I get: The following packages have unmet dependencies: [...] E: Broken packages Hmm. I'll try again tomorrow. Solution! - Put both testing and unstable in your sources.list. - Install aptitude. (Possibly not actually necessary, but I'm used to it.) - Using aptitude: - Install libcaca0 and libcucul0, taking care to choose the 14 versions rather than the 15 ones. - Install gstreamer0.10-plugins-good. - Install fso-frameworkd. - Now it is clear that the dependency issue is solved, so back out to the shell and the installer script: ./install.sh fso /etc/init.d/qpe stop # if you are running Qtopia, as I am umount /dev/mmcblk0p1 umount /dev/mmcblk0p2 ./install.sh mount configuration kernel unmount Regards, Neil ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: email
2008/9/30 Petr Vanek [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Neil, would you mind sending a bit more direct link, i am having 0 luck googling this up... thank you Here is one: http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-developers/2008-June/033990.html. Regards, Neil ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [debian/zhone] Send an SMS
2008/9/27 Jan Luebbe [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Fri, 2008-09-26 at 19:42 +0100, Neil Jerram wrote: 2008/9/26 Michael 'Mickey' Lauer [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Oh, the testing UI. Yes, you can send messages with that one as well. Push 'Messages', then chose a contact from your SIM, then compose your message, then it's going into the outbox and will be sent. Hm. I couldn't make anything like that work. I'll try again though if/when I have Debian installed again. In messages you need to push the button in the middle, then you will get a small menu. I'm afraid I'm still not seeing / understanding this. Here is what I'm getting as the messages screen: http://www.ossau.uklinux.net/msgs.jpg (with personal information blacked out). Where am I supposed to press? Thanks, Neil ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [debian] install failure, fso-frameworkd is not going to be installed
2008/10/1 Tha_Man [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Great find! I ran into this yesterday as well, but I have another question: I'm using Om2008.9 to install Debian on my Freerunner, how do I 'install' libcaca0 and libcucul0? I know I can access the card, but how do I install these libs to it? You have to chroot into the Debian rootfs, like this: # chroot /mnt/debian /bin/sh Then you're in a new shell, where / is actually /mnt/debian. In this shell, you can use apt-get install exactly as if you had booted directly into Debian. Does that answer your question, or was there something else? Neil ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [debian] going to install - hints?
2008/10/2 Davide Scaini [EMAIL PROTECTED]: and what about the boot speed-up script: is that useful? Sorry, I haven't tried that, so can't say. Neil ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Where is the SD card...
2008/10/3 Paul [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Now I only have to figure out why I can't ssh to the FR anymore. (FR can't ping to desktopmachine, while desktop does ping FR ;-) Always more fun. Sounds like routing. If you mean over Wifi, and your wireless network is 192.168.0/24 (as mine is), the routing through eth0 will conflict with the default route for network-over-USB (usb0). If that's the case, you can solve the problem by running ifdown usb0 on the FR. (Or leave usb0 up, and instead do a route --del command. Or modify /etc/network/interfaces so that the USB networking uses a different network, say 192.168.1/24, and reboot. I find ifdown easiest.) Regards, Neil ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Cannot ssh to Freerunner
2008/10/6 Nicolas Linkert [EMAIL PROTECTED]: # The primary network interface allow-hotplug eth0 iface eth0 inet static address 192.168.0.101 netmask 255.255.255.0 network 192.168.0.0 broadcast 192.168.0.255 gateway 192.168.0.100 dns-nameservers 192.168.0.100 dns-search gamma.vz auto usb0 iface usb0 inet static address 192.168.0.200 netmask 255.255.255.0 Your eth0 and usb0 interfaces must be on different subnets. If your wireless (eth0) has to be on 192.168.0/24 - e.g. because you've already got lots of other devices set up with that addressing in your house - then move usb0 to 192.168.1/24. Just make sure you make a corresponding change on your PC, when you want to use USB networking, and all should be well. Regards, Neil ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: LED notification
2008/10/9 Jason Cawood [EMAIL PROTECTED]: What I think I didn't communicate very well is: 1. phone is in suspend mode. 2. GSM wakes phone for sms notification 3. screen blanks after timeout 4. LED blinks while phone is not in suspend. Would that be a possible solution? I think I understand what you mean, but the question is: would that be very useful? - If the user sees their phone when it wakes up, they won't need to see a blinking LED too. - If the user does not see their phone when it wakes up, it is unlikely (I would guess) that they will return to it in the interval before it suspends again. I don't know what the current default is for the interval before the phone suspends again, but I imagine one would want it to be quite short, so as not to allow incoming calls and texts to consume a lot of battery. Regards, Neil ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Back to the basics: improving user experience
2008/10/16 [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Here are my desired clients I want to develop: - Emacs phone services on top of dbus Hey, me too! Can we share / help each other out? That said, all I have so far is an attempt at an Emacs soft keyboard (attached). It's very clunky and basic right now, but I think there are lots of possibilities down this road, such as predictive keyboards (like the Qtopia one), keyboards that are optimized for specific applications, etc. Regards, Neil softkey.el Description: Binary data ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: trouble connecting via wifi
2008/10/17 Kevin [EMAIL PROTECTED]: What step am I missing? It does detect my access point because i can see it's mac address in iwconfig but all packets are dropped when I try to use ping my access point. iwconfig eth0 mode managed channel 1 iwconfig eth0 essid madwifi ifconfig eth0 10.0.0.1 netmask 255.0.0.0 ifconfig eth0 up Adding a route? What does netstat -rn say? Neil ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Om2008.9] man pages??? killing events/0
http://www.google.com/search?q=man+page+dropbear its in several places down that list. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: One more rotate version
2008/10/22 clare johnstone [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Beware: http://blog.assembla.com/assemblablog/tabid/12618/bid/7019/New-subscription-plans-Clarification-and-even-better-pricing.aspx (And never mind the content, just the .aspx is a strong hint of what we need to know.) Neil ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Om2008.9] GPS pre-fetching maps from openstreetmap.org
2008/10/29 Matthias Apitz [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Is there somehow I structured way to pre-fetch maps without using tangoGPS and go virtually to the area and walking around there on the touch pad? I mean, can I say I wanna have the area with the coordinates X1-X2-X3-X4 and store them with zoom level NN into /media/card/osm? +1 What would be _really_ good would be something like - use Google Maps to get directions from A to B - somehow feed the result into tangoGPS, to tell it to pre-fetch maps for all the way along the path. Neil ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
[debian/zhone] Start up customization
As they stand, I don't believe the zhone startup files support user customization. Such as (in my case) starting up fbpanel and openmoko-panel-plugin. Of course, you can change conf files under /etc, but then you'll have a conflict to resolve on next upgrade. I think what could work is - in /etc/init.d/zhone-session, don't pass $PROG_FSO to /etc/X11/Xsession - instead, drop a file into /etc/X11/Xsession.d which would set STARTUP to zhone-session if not already set; this would come after the file that looks for ~/.xsession. Then a user can customize the startup by creating a .xsession which ends with running zhone-session. So (i) does that sound good, and (ii) if so, who should I send a patch to? Thanks, Neil ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [debian/zhone] Start up customization
2008/10/29 Joachim Breitner [EMAIL PROTECTED]: what you describe has already happend, ans is renamed to nodm (for no display manager). It is basically zhone-session, with all zhone-specific parts removed. And it does indeed just start ~/.xsession (if no desktop environment is installed), where the installer puts the default zhone startup. Fantastic, thanks! to switch, just run (via ssh, because it will kill your X server) apt-get --purge remove zhone-install (zhone-install here should be zhone-session, I think) apt-get install nodm and put a suitable session in ~/.xsession In case anyone else wants to use it, my .xsession is now: #!/bin/sh fbpanel openmoko-panel-plugin zhone exec matchbox-window-manager -use_titlebar no -use_cursor no and works well. (I'm not sure what the matchbox-keyboard-toggle was for in the old /usr/bin/zhone-session; is that what made the AUX button toggle the keyboard? Anyway, if you use openmoko-panel-plugin, you get a keyboard popup button, so don't need the AUX button as well.) And a vaguely related tip: as a terminal I recommend xfce4-terminal rather than xterm, as it has scrollbars that can be operated with only left click, and also a nicer default font. Regards, Neil ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Debian] sound programs.. no sound from VLC
2008/10/30 Matthew Lane [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I've installed Audacious, Noatun, Sonata, and VLC. Audacious is the only player I've been able to hear sound from, but it skips, and very frequently! Noatun will not play my music, and Sonata won't add my music to its library even though I redirect MPD's library path. VLC, however, appears to be playing the music, but I have no sound. I'm using mpd with the emms Emacs client. The sound is fine, except when other applications (e.g. aptitude) are taking a lot of CPU; then there's lots of skipping and halting. Neil ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Determine Distro?
2008/11/1 Dale Maggee [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hi, Does anyone know a way to determine which distro I have on my freerunner from the command line? As a rule, it's more robust to detect the particular thing (library, application, header file etc.) that you're interested in, rather than detecting the distro and mapping from distro to what you expect it to contain. I'm looking into adding the ability for NeoTool to import and export contacts, but to do that I'd need a way to determine whether the user has 2007.2, Qtopia, 2008.x, or FSO installed. So you could look for the particular file names that each distro uses? Regards, Neil ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: RFC: split away 'open sourced' Android in a new mailing list (was: Re: Android open sourced)
2008/11/4 Matthias Apitz [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hello, Maybe it is worth to split away this 'open sourced' Android to its own mailing list to not flood the users of a free software project with this Google stuff? Just my personal view... I disagree. I'm not much interested in the Android option, but I'd still prefer if the emails about it were on this list, so I can keep half an eye on them as they flow by. Regards, Neil ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: DOOM For Neo Freerunner / 1973
2008/11/5 Stefan Monnier [EMAIL PROTECTED]: not relevant because debian doesn't use xglamo. At the moment it uses For some odd reason, the recommended install doesn't use it, but the OpenMoko wiki does mention that it's a good idea to install it. I hope Debian users all use xglamo, since it's smaller and more efficient. I didn't notice any performance improvement when I tried xglamo (instead of xorg). I did notice: - Alt Tab not working - messed up fonts on the matchbox-keyboard - xrandr not working well enough to be a significant benefit (not smooth, and windows moving to wrong positions) so I'm back with xorg. Neil ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [debian] openmoko-panel-plugin 0.5
2008/11/5 Sebastian Ohl [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hi folks, after the confusion on the last few days now i am happy to announce a new version of the openmoko-panel-plugin. Thank you for working on this, it's really useful! * new battery-icons I'm not sure I like the new icon better, but I definitely like the better information about the battery state. Is it a known problem with the Debian kernel that you only get 100mA charge after booting up - until you unplug and replug the USB lead? * enabled shutdown-button in power-button-window I'm not seeing this. Where should I be looking? * added config-area for selection of active icons What is the difference between enabled on the panel-plugin tab and enabled on each individual button page? * some more gsmIcon updates: * corrected dbus-callback-function-header * added location area code (if available from dbus) My GSM icon is indicating off, even after I got notification windows correctly indicating my provider (T-Mobile) and a reasonable-sounding signal strength... * now choosing right icon for gsm turned off * corrections to gsmStatus-update work properly * added some try-blocks around file-io to prevent IO-timeouts killing * main-thread Aha, is that what caused the GSM icon to disappear sometimes in the previous version? Regards, Neil ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: TangoGPS svn/git ?
On 07/11/2008, Glen Ogilvie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I sent Marcus an email on Monday and have not heard back, so figured he must be busy or on holiday.. or have a spam filter that does not like me :). So was just wondering if anyone here happened to know of a repository for it. You could start your own git repo from the latest available tarball. That will help you keep track of your own work, and it should also be trivial to merge in future updates from Marcus. Neil ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [debian] openmoko-panel-plugin 0.5
2008/11/5 Neil Jerram [EMAIL PROTECTED]: My GSM icon is indicating off, even after I got notification windows correctly indicating my provider (T-Mobile) and a reasonable-sounding signal strength... I just updated to the latest version and now it is exiting after producing the attached output. This happens shortly after I have - used aptitude to upgrade - used kill to kill the old running version - started the new version with openmoko-panel-plugin opp.log 21 Let me know if you'd like further experiments... Neil ERROR:dbus.proxies:Introspect error on :1.2:/org/freesmartphone/GSM/Device: dbus.exceptions.DBusException: org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.NoReply: Did not receive a reply. Possible causes include: the remote application did not send a reply, the message bus security policy blocked the reply, the reply timeout expired, or the network connection was broken. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [debian] openmoko-panel-plugin 0.5
On 11/11/2008, arne anka [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - used kill to kill the old running version i experienced that sometimes myself, too. kill seems not to be the best way. looks like some cleaning up is not done and the frameworkd is left in confusion. restart frameworkd completely and afterwards opp (i modified runlevel 2 for things like that: kill everything fso/x related), thus doing init 2 wait a few seconds for everything to go down init 3 via ssh restarts all fancy stuff w/o much ado. Thanks. It does seem to be reliable when I do a full reboot, especially if I wait a few seconds between starting zhone and starting opp. Neil ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Debian] xterm shortcut
ahh, so it was Xglamo that did that (ive been at a confrence and havent had time to look discovered i have the no wake from suspend bug after a format, lol bad timing.) just putting xterm in ./xsession works for me I have two starting on login. unfortunatly i cant help you any further (i actually thought that it was the illume keyboard that didnt do it, but hey). 2008/11/21 Atilla Filiz [EMAIL PROTECTED] After I set my driver to Xglamo, [ctrl]+[alt]+[x] no longer launches xterm. How do I get it back? Alternatively, i can maybe just customize ./xsession so xterm starts automatically. Any idea? -- - Atilla Filiz Eindhoven University of Technology Embedded Systems, Master's Programme ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Debian][OM2008][FSO] Found an easy solution for universal right- and middle-click
2008/11/23 Paul Fertser [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hello, everybody! I think i found a universal (not only GTK) and easy (without special tslib drivers) solution that should work on any X-server. I just added to my fbpanel two icons to launch xmodmap -e 'pointer = 1 2 3' and xmodmap -e 'pointer = 2 3 1' to switch ts to left-click and to middle-click respectively. Right-click can be added as well. This sounds great. Is it possible to make the changes automatically one-time-only - i.e. so that they automatically revert to left-click after one right- or middle- click? I think that would best match what one needs in practice; e.g. right-click to bring up a context menu, then left-click on the desired menu entry. But i can't figure what's the best place on the wiki to share this information. Can you suggest the appropriate place? I suggest a new UI tricks or Usability tricks (or somesuch) bullet in the Getting Started group of the for Users section of the Wiki start page. (Obviously pointing to a new page, containing your suggestion.) Regards, Neil ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Debian] apt-get upgrade made the FR die...
2008/11/23 Paul [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I must admit I had just started the upgrade command and went off to do different things... I've seen this too. But in my case I was OK again after a reboot. Neil ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Survey about the Touchscreen
2008/11/22 Anton Persson [EMAIL PROTECTED]: He, actually you're right.. I withdraw that remark.. It's OK hardware, but with an excellent aesthetic design, and an innovative UI. A UI that would not have been possible if the multi-touch hardware was not in place. /Anton On Sat, Nov 22, 2008 at 12:35 PM, robert lazarski [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, Nov 22, 2008 at 7:28 AM, Anton Persson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And note that Apple doesn't have it's reputation since they make poor hardware decisions, but the opposite. Converesely, one could argue that apple has very mediocre hardware and its strength is both UI and things just work. Not that use apple for anything. More clutter ;-( . So what this illustrates is that arguing in isolation a question like what kind of touchscreen to use doesn't make sense. It only makes sense in the context of what overall product or goal you're trying to achieve. Apple are good at that - but then it's vastly easier for them because their vision is of a single monoculture everywhere, and they have no interest in encouraging other options. It's much more difficult for Openmoko, because their very point is not to dictate the final product. Neil ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Debian][OM2008][FSO] Found an easy solution for universal right- and middle-click
2008/11/23 Paul Fertser [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Here's an ugly hack to do what you suggest: bash -c 'xmodmap -e pointer = 2 3 1; /root/bin/waitclick.sh; xmodmap -e pointer = 1 2 3' where /root/bin/waitclick.sh: #!/bin/sh input-events 1 21 | ( grep -q -m 1 released kill $$ ) I couldn't find a more elegant way but this one works for me. Thank you! I'll try this out. Neil ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [debian] state of enlightment and illume packaging
2008/11/23 Jesus McCloud [EMAIL PROTECTED]: rocks! compared to my xfce dekstop i now DO see what raster meant (desktops on diet) I'm liking it too, definitely has immediately become my default, replacing trayer+openmoko-panel-plugin. I especially like - the and buttons for switching apps - the keyboard - which I haven't actually used very much yet, but appears to have the same fuzzy logic as the Qtopia one - everything accessible from the Illume background menu. Only but is that Enlightenment SEGV'd on me on startup, has anyone else seen that? If not I guess I should try to get some diags. I chose the Recover option, and that seemed to work. Regards, Neil ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [debian] state of enlightment and illume packaging
2008/11/23 Bernd Prünster [EMAIL PROTECTED]: do you really care about segv ? this si not a debian issue, e17 is still in development, but the recovery option is flawless (just my experience, but ALWAYS worked and it doesn't take more that a few seconds, so you can still answer a call if this happens!) I care if what I'm getting is the expected behaviour, or is atypical; with the related points being - is there something that I am doing wrong to cause this? - should I be spending time to collect and report more diagnostics? Regards, Neil ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [debian] state of enlightment and illume packaging
2008/11/23 The Rasterman Carsten Haitzler [EMAIL PROTECTED]: it's atypical. trust me. i do NOT like segv's! if i see them, i hunt them down with vengeance. the problem is reproducing them and getting a sensible backtrace and possibly getting it to do the same in valgrind so i can pinpoint the real source of the segv (which often is not the actual segv point but earlier when something stomps over memory it shouldn't). Do you know which process I should try to attach to? This is at the point where enlightenment is displaying a dialog saying that it has SEGV'd. debian-gta02:~# ps waux | grep enlight root 1308 0.3 5.1 19400 6488 ?S22:49 0:07 enlightenment root 1310 0.0 1.5 9668 1948 ?SNs 22:49 0:00 /opt/e/bin/enlightenment_fm root 1311 0.0 0.3 1664 452 ?SN 22:49 0:00 /opt/e/lib/enlightenment/modules/illume/linux-gnueabi-armv4tl/wifiget 8 root 1316 0.0 0.9 4764 1224 ?SN 22:50 0:00 /opt/e/lib/enlightenment/modules/battery/linux-gnueabi-armv4tl/batget 32 root 1746 0.0 0.4 1716 600 pts/3S+ 23:23 0:00 grep enlight So far I tried 1308 and 1310, unfortunately both without much useful information: debian-gta02:~# gdb `which enlightenment` ... (gdb) attach 1308 ... 0x405f89c4 in select () from /lib/libc.so.6 (gdb) bt #0 0x405f89c4 in select () from /lib/libc.so.6 #1 0x408c33d0 in ?? () from /usr/lib/libxcb.so.1 Cannot access memory at address 0x0 (gdb) info threads 1 Thread 0x40919d30 (LWP 1308) 0x405f89c4 in select () from /lib/libc.so.6 (gdb) detach Detaching from program: /opt/e/bin/enlightenment, process 1308 (gdb) quit debian-gta02:~# gdb /opt/e/bin/enlightenment_fm ... (gdb) attach 1310 ... 0x404f39c4 in select () from /lib/libc.so.6 (gdb) bt #0 0x404f39c4 in select () from /lib/libc.so.6 #1 0x403e4cdc in _ecore_main_select (timeout=2.121995791459338e-314) at ecore_main.c:355 #2 0x in ?? () (gdb) info thread 1 Thread 0x40919b90 (LWP 1310) 0x404f39c4 in select () from /lib/libc.so.6 (gdb) quit The program is running. Quit anyway (and detach it)? (y or n) n Not confirmed. (gdb) detach Detaching from program: /opt/e/bin/enlightenment_fm, process 1310 (gdb) quit I'm afraid that's probably not much help. Is there something straightforward I can do to find out more? Regards, Neil ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Optimization team update (11/23 ~ 11/29)
2008/11/30 John Lee [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Echo: Since there are different hw versions out there (a5, a6, a7), it's impossible to provide one alsa state file that suits all models. However, it seems you can always find appropriate values for your neo. My way is to adjust control.4 Speaker Playback Volume in /usr/share/openmoko/scenarios/gsmhandset.state the max value is 127, 95 works best on my a5. With volume level 3 or 4 in qtopia dialer, the other side can hear no echo while I get good audio quality. Apologies in advance for what may be a dumb question - but does this statement represent the conclusion of your team's work on audio issues (buzz/echo/hiss etc.)? Or is there further work ongoing? I very much hope the latter. At the very least, I feel we need a definitive and full description from your team of what the issues are, and the best available solutions (hardware and/or software) for them. If some of those solutions are version (a5, a6, ...) dependent, then they must include precise instructions on how an Openmoko user can determine which version they have. Once that description is available, either you or someone else can turn it into some kind of code or package, so that we can all take advantage of it. I know there is already a lot of google-able data on this, but in my view this is not useful even for an experienced user/programmer, as - it is all reported anecdotally and subjectively - there is simply too much of it to digest. So the detailed status needs to come from your team. I also assume (hope!) that you must have equipment specifically for detecting and measuring such audio effects, so I expect you can do a much better job of optimizing whatever needs to be optimized than all of us enthusiasts who don't have that equipment. Best wishes, Neil ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
[debian/e17] Noise on receipt of SMS
Hi there, Running debian and e17... occasionally I get a strange (but nice) noise from my phone, and I've just managed to correlate this with someone sending me an SMS. But I don't see any message appearing in the Zhone UI - where should I be looking? If I reboot into Qtopia, the new message appears. Thanks, Neil ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
How to wear the headphones?
I find that the headphones quickly fall out of my ears. Is this a health feature, or am I doing something wrong? Regards, Neil ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: How to wear the headphones?
2008/12/5 Neil Jerram [EMAIL PROTECTED]: 2008/12/5 arne anka [EMAIL PROTECTED]: aren't there spare ear pieces with different sizes? I thought so at first, but on closer examination, they all appeared to be the same size... (I assume you mean the flexible rubber-like bits.) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: How to wear the headphones?
2008/12/5 Al Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Friday 05 December 2008, Neil Jerram wrote: 2008/12/5 Neil Jerram [EMAIL PROTECTED]: 2008/12/5 arne anka [EMAIL PROTECTED]: aren't there spare ear pieces with different sizes? I thought so at first, but on closer examination, they all appeared to be the same size... (I assume you mean the flexible rubber-like bits.) That's the ones. Mine came with 3 different sizes. OK, thanks Arne and Al; I obviously need to look again at those. They provide next to no isolation, and sound quite bad anyway. I suggest cutting off the headphones and adding a 3.5mm stereo socket so you can use some decent headphones. As a last resort, I guess. Thanks, Neil ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Optimization team update (11/23 ~ 11/29)
2008/12/2 John Lee [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Mon, Dec 01, 2008 at 09:29:48PM +, Neil Jerram wrote: Apologies in advance for what may be a dumb question - but does this statement represent the conclusion of your team's work on audio issues (buzz/echo/hiss etc.)? Or is there further work ongoing? No, it's not the conclusion. We will keep working on that. That's good to know; thanks. Okay, I will think about this. I think the only real limitation here is we cannot ask everyone to do the soldering by him/her self, other then that, any software based solution is possible. Let me dig this deeper with the kernel and hw people. I haven't done any soldering for years. But I will risk doing it - or get someone to do it for me - if it is sufficiently clear exactly what needs doing, and the probability is high enough that it will solve the problem. Of course, I also see that there will be some who completely rule that out. So basically I agree with you. The key thing is to have a crystal clear description of the options. Regards, Neil ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Optimization team update (11/23 ~ 11/29)
2008/12/2 Andy Green [EMAIL PROTECTED]: buzz / echo / hiss... no software change can fix buzz. It's baked into the hardware and you will have to do fairly extreme meddling with your soldering iron to impact it. Thanks, I hadn't seen that so clearly stated before! (i.e. that buzz is known to be 100% a hardware issue). Echo reacts to some tweaking in alsa and maybe Calypso firmware option selection, I guess this turn up in rootfs images as best it can. OK, but do you need to be so imprecise about this? What can't there be a definitive solution? Hiss and Etc I didn't hear about, but I don't think kernel or hardware world can cover for any of it on existing device. Only button to push in userspace world is optimization of echo I think we find, unless hiss is somethng like bad channel selection in alsa world. I must admit that I've never heard the hiss either, so I don't know exactly what it means... but someone that I called a few days ago said there was a strong hiss on the line. (In retrospect, I should at least have tried calling again, as maybe it was just a line issue.) Regards, Neil ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Optimization team update (11/23 ~ 11/29)
Oops... 2008/12/7 Neil Jerram [EMAIL PROTECTED]: OK, but do you need to be so imprecise about this? What can't there be a definitive solution? What should have been why. Neil ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Bad Customer support from Truebox.com about a Broken Battery
Not to deny or minimize anything that others have said in this thread, but just to provide a balancing data point... I personally had excellent service from TrueBox. No problems, and always courteous emails. I hope they will quickly make amends in ankostis' case, and I also hope that they will stay in the business of supporting and distributing OpenMoko phones. Regards, Neil ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Version 2 -- New community distribution hackable1
2008/12/17 Marcus Bauer marcus.ba...@gmail.com: Right now there are a couple of things which are not yet in a package, most notably the X session start. But for a clean future development it is a necessity that everything sits inside a package and then you can update directly from debian. Thanks, that will be fantastic. Debian is already wonderfully hackable, but not so good on the use-as-a-phone front, so it sounds like Debian+your hackable will be just the ticket. Neil ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Acustic 'empty battery warning' ?
2008/12/17 Lothar Behrens lothar.behr...@lollisoft.de: Hi, I am asking me if it is not possible to get an acustic 'empty battery' warning some time before my phone really get's down. Is there a way to do this ? Qtopia 4.3.2 on FR does it, so I guess there must be a way. Neil ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Version 2 -- New community distribution hackable1
2008/12/17 Marcus Bauer mba...@bearstech.com: Hackable:1 is based on the DebianOnFreerunner but packaging the OM2007.2 applications, extending and bugfixing them. It is intended to become a stable platform for the VAR market and fun to use for everybody else. Sounds cool! So, given that I already have Debian on SD, could I just - add your repository to /etc/apt/sources.list - sudo aptitude update sudo aptitude install the-hackable-umbrella-package ? If not now, is that a feasible aim for the near future? Thanks, Neil ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Crackly Calls and Battery Tips! A5/A6 rework. Corrected URL
2008/12/17 Joel Newkirk freerun...@newkirk.us: On Wed, 17 Dec 2008 10:56:46 +, Neil Jerram neiljer...@googlemail.com wrote: 2008/12/17 Joel Newkirk freerun...@newkirk.us: I find myself wondering how many V5 FreeRunners are in the field and whether the owners thereof would want the ability to 'update' to the V6 hardware fixes. Before that I'd like to know how I find out which version I have. Tried googling/wiki/just looking inside, but couldn't find anything clear yet. Neil Take out the battery, SIM and uSD. Where the contacts for the uSD meet the PC board there will be a SMD capacitor (about .5x1mm) between two of the contacts, _IF_ it's newer than V5. Thanks, there's something of that size there. Also the date is 20080717, and /proc/cpuinfo's Revision is 0360. So mine is a v6. Regards, Neil ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Crackly Calls and Battery Tips! A5/A6 rework. Corrected URL
2008/12/17 Mateusz Skowroński sko...@gmail.com: Hi, http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ#How_do_I_find_out_what_version_of_hardware_I_have.3F Many thanks; I don't know how my googling missed that! Neil ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Crackly Calls and Battery Tips! A5/A6 rework. Corrected URL
2008/12/17 Joel Newkirk freerun...@newkirk.us: I find myself wondering how many V5 FreeRunners are in the field and whether the owners thereof would want the ability to 'update' to the V6 hardware fixes. Before that I'd like to know how I find out which version I have. Tried googling/wiki/just looking inside, but couldn't find anything clear yet. Neil ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
[debian] enlightenment has no png loader?
I noticed that there are now e17 packages in debian unstable, and that these include -dbg packages. Since my current e17 (from the enlightenment-all-in-one deb that someone put together) always SEGV's on startup, and since Raster has asked for backtrace with symbols when that happens, I thought I'd uninstall enlightenment-all-in-one and try the new Debian packages instead. But now, enlightenment_start bails with: ... ESTART: 1.49197 [0.75791] - test file format support Enlightenment Error Enlightenment found Evas can't load PNG files. Check Evas has PNG loader support. (full output attached). From googling, it looks like I'm missing a package with name like evas-loader-png, which doesn't appear to be available in Debian yet, and I guess I just need to wait a bit longer for the packages to get to that. Is that all correct? Or is there another problem / solution here? Thanks, Neil ESTART: 0.6 [0.6] - begin ESTART: 0.00159 [0.00154] - signals done ESTART: 0.02999 [0.02840] - determine prefix DYNAMIC DETERMINED PREFIX: /usr ESTART: 0.10471 [0.07471] - prefix done ESTART: 0.10595 [0.00124] - intl init ESTART: 0.10692 [0.00097] - parse args ESTART: 0.10719 [0.00027] - arg parse done ESTART: 0.11649 [0.00930] - ecore init ESTART: 0.13355 [0.01706] - ecore_file init ESTART: 0.13768 [0.00413] - more ecore ESTART: 0.13833 [0.00066] - x connect ESTART: 0.34600 [0.20766] - ecore_con ESTART: 0.34691 [0.00092] - xinerama E17 INIT: XINERAMA CHOSEN: [0], 480x640+0+0 ESTART: 0.38925 [0.04233] - x hints ESTART: 0.40133 [0.01208] - x hints done ESTART: 0.40160 [0.00027] - ecore_evas init ESTART: 0.43825 [0.03665] - test done ESTART: 0.43858 [0.00033] - efreet ESTART: 0.44503 [0.00645] - efreet done ESTART: 0.44539 [0.00036] - configure ESTART: 0.44690 [0.00150] - dirs ESTART: 0.46938 [0.02249] - filereg ESTART: 0.46972 [0.00033] - config ESTART: 0.56216 [0.09245] - scale ESTART: 0.56298 [0.00081] - pointer ESTART: 0.56335 [0.00038] - path ESTART: 0.56427 [0.00092] - ipc INFO: E_IPC_SOCKET=/tmp/enlightenment-root/disp-:0.0-1397 ESTART: 0.56917 [0.00490] - font ESTART: 0.57770 [0.00854] - theme ESTART: 0.72348 [0.14578] - splash RUN INIT: /usr/lib/enlightenment/enlightenment_init '/usr/share/enlightenment/data/init/default.edj' '1' '0' 'Enlightenment' '0.16.999.050' ESTART: 1.43218 [0.70870] - test file format support Enlightenment Error Enlightenment found Evas can't load PNG files. Check Evas has PNG loader support. E17: Begin shutdown procedure! Sending TERM signal to /usr/lib/enlightenment/enlightenment_init '/usr/share/enlightenment/data/init/default.edj' '1' '0' 'Enlightenment' '0.16.999.050' (1398). ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Stage of GTA03 development?
2008/12/19 Andreas Pokorny andreas.poko...@gmail.com: Lets add another information layer to open street map, containing discovered or already-tried-but-failed wpa-keys. Then each gta03 synchronize with the current state of your home town and start trying some new keys in the neighbourhood as we walk around. -1 (I don't think this list should appear to condone illegal and/or immoral activity!) Neil ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [debian] enlightenment has no png loader?
2008/12/22 Joachim Breitner nome...@debian.org: I don't know the details, but in any case you might get more inforation by either filing a big against e17 (using reportbug), or writing the pkg-e team (CC'ed). Thanks. For the moment I've moved on to playing with hackable:1, but I'll do this if/when I come back to plain debian. Neil ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Pkg-e-devel] [debian] enlightenment has no png loader?
2008/12/22 Albin Tonnerre albin.tonne...@gmail.com: There are no e17 packages in unstable (not in the debian archive, I mean) except eet. Maybe you're getting your packages from a third-party repository ? We put the image loaders and savers in the same package as libevas: libevas0, so you're likely not missing anything. Still, I'm curious about where those packages are from. Could you provide the result of `apt-cache policy libevas0` ? That would help Regards, Albin Many thanks for your response. Unfortunately I can't try that command now, because I've overwritten my SD card with hackable:1. From memory, though, I'm 99% sure that my sources.list only contained Debian and the pkg-fso repository. It is feasible that the e17 packages came from pkg-fso? Regards, Neil ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: How do you like to read a phone number?
2008/12/29 Stroller strol...@stellar.eclipse.co.uk: Note, however, that I would most always use 0207 or 0208 xxx yyy Need one more y there: 0207 or 0208 xxx . for London numbers - I personally would not use 020, or group the 7 or 8 with the next set of digits. This is probably because I remember when they changed London numbers from 01 to 020 and then subsequently added the 7 8 depending upon whether the destination was in inner- or outer-London respectively. But technically, I believe that 020 is the area code - in the sense that when you're using a landline in an 0208 place (i.e. outer London), you can call 7xxx without dialling the area code, and vice versa. For this reason I personally prefer writing 020 [78]xxx . Neil ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Performance Issues using Neo wifi and WPA2
2008/12/30 john dowd jdowds...@gmail.com: The Neo registers (using linphone) with the PBX and I can see the registration happening but then there is a REQUEST NOTIFY coming from the PBX to linphone. Linphone responds with a 481: Subscription does not exist. I've attached this interaction in the tcpdump formatted file and I'm hoping someone would look at it. What I think is happening is that the PBX is actually informing linphone that there are some voicemail messages waiting but linphone does not support this feature and does not know what to do with this part of the protocol. I haven't looked at the tcpdump, however... This 481 response suggests that linphone's default behaviour is only to accept NOTIFY requests that conform to RFC 3265, i.e. which refer to a previously established subscription. SIP voicemail message notifications, on the other hand, are often done with a pre-RFC-3265 form of NOTIFY, where there is no prior subscription. This kind of NOTIFY can be known as unsolicited, out of dialog or out of subscription, and the voicemail context is usually called MWI, for messages waiting indication. So, suggest you google and/or check linphone's man page / docs for support for some of those terms, and a way to switch that support on. Regards, Neil ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Pulster offer - Freerunner 299 eur
2008/12/29 Gothnet openm...@nastylittlehorse.net: I don't want to get into a pissing contest here, but the truebox price includes VAT, I bought mine from them at that price back in the summer. Unless somehow I managed to avoid paying VAT or just forgot to look at the actual price... weird. OK, having looked at their website it seems I'm just ignorant. Well I don't blame you. When I bought mine last year, I'm pretty sure that the price was £227 + VAT = £272. (And for a while that 2/7 swapping confused me a lot!) So as Anthony has said, it's the plummeting pound. Neil ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Newbee need direction
2009/1/7 Robin Häggqvist robin.haggqv...@gmail.com: Hello Im a newbee. And would love some help to get in the right direction. I have looked in to pascal(not very useful but good fun) and java(really basic) when I was in school but that was a few years ago. Im most intrested in developing small useful application for the freerunner I suggest starting by describing your proposed application here. I'm sure people will make comments and suggestions that will allow you to develop the specification and design. What lanugare should I start with? Probably C or Python - but you don't necessarily need to worry about that yet anyway. Regards, Neil ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
