Re: [Community-Discuss] [members-discuss] Call for a Special General Member’s Meeting

[DANIEL NANGHAKA]

He could be an employee of NRS.
Meanwhile I advise members to be aware of Spam communications on the
mailing list.


On Mon, Jun 6, 2022, 12:22 AM CTO admin  wrote:

> So you are the spokes person for NRA now?!
>
> I object to sharing external links on the Member Discuss and call for the
> Moderator about this, as the link contains but the petition! Are you
> attempting to increase traffic to their website? Or marketing for their
> campaign?
>
> On Sun, Jun 5, 2022 at 10:15 PM Paul Hjul  wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> A petition has reached critical mass to call an SGMM, hopefully the Board
>> won't play pokey on this one.
>>
>> Dear Members,
>>
>> For your information, the members who signed the petitions have already
>> discussed and thereafter informed the Board to call for the Special General
>> Member’s Meeting as it is representing not less than 5% of the Resource
>> Members as required by the bylaws. All related documents that were shared
>> herein are sent to the Board and Chair as well for their reference and
>> review.
>>
>> Please see the attached link below for the content of the petition ;
>> https://www.nrs.help/petition
>>
>> Regards,
>> Paul Hjul
>> Member
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Re: [Community-Discuss] Call for a Special General Member’s Meeting

[DANIEL NANGHAKA]

What is NRS?
Is NRS an AFRINIC member?
Where is it located?

On Fri, Jun 3, 2022, 12:58 PM Paul Hjul  wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> A petition has reached critical mass to call an SGMM, hopefully the Board
> won't play pokey on this one.
>
> Dear Members,
>
> For your information, the members who signed the petitions have already
> discussed and thereafter informed the Board to call for the Special General
> Member’s Meeting as it is representing not less than 5% of the Resource
> Members as required by the bylaws. All related documents that were shared
> herein are sent to the Board and Chair as well for their reference and
> review.
>
> Please see the attached link below for the content of the petition ;
> https://www.nrs.help/petition
>
> Regards,
> Paul Hjul
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Re: [Community-Discuss] [members-discuss] ATTENDANCE & PARTICIPATION AT THE ANNUAL GENERAL MEMBERS’ MEETING (AGMM)

[DANIEL NANGHAKA]

Ronald,

Mr. Putin is not in a war, it's a special military invasion.

Daniel


On Thu, Jun 2, 2022, 2:15 AM Ronald F. Guilmette 
wrote:

> In message <
> am7pr03mb6451058c723a7b05d58d7235ee...@am7pr03mb6451.eurprd03.prod.outlook.com>,
>
> Andrew Alston  wrote:
>
> >Anyway - my guess is that once again the board will ignore this and once
> >again we will have to let a court decide. I just wish I was wrong and they
> >would take the simple way out - postpone the meeting - send a proper
> notice
> >of meeting and withdraw these bizarre stipulations - but I suspect instead
> >they will take the route of forcing this into court and wasting still more
> >of members money - in top of the $600k they have already wasted by forcing
> >members into a position where litigation was the only option
>
> Mr. Putin has asserted that he had no other option than to go to war with
> Ukraine.
>
> There are always other options.  If not, then why does every country on
> earth
> employ its own diplomatic corp?
>
> Has anyone considered binding arbitration as a means to resolve these
> various
> controversies?  It seems to me that that might be a more cost efficient,
> and almost certainly a more time-efficient manner of resolving a number of
> outstanding disputes that various parties have with AFRINIC at present.
>
> Andrew is right, of course, to lament the high costs of traditional legal
> actions.
> But in which instances has AFRINIC initiated those costly legal actions?
> None,
> I gather.  It therefore seems rather disingenuous, from where I am
> sitting, for
> anyone to bemoan these high costs if that party or parties are also
> associated
> in any way with the genesis of any of the costly legal actions in question.
>
>
> Regards,
> rfg
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Re: [Community-Discuss] [members-discuss] ATTENDANCE & PARTICIPATION AT THE ANNUAL GENERAL MEMBERS’ MEETING (AGMM)

[DANIEL NANGHAKA]

Some of you now are going to request for the By-laws in your mother tongues
which is an ambiguous request

On Thu, Jun 2, 2022, 1:38 AM DANIEL NANGHAKA  wrote:

> Some of you want to create confusion over small logical issues.
>
> A corporation cannot be created by one individual. Corporation are
> represented by one Administrator despite of have many members in the team.
> That is why the registration is for one Administrative contact.
>
> Even a kindergarten kid can differentiate between singular and plural.
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jun 2, 2022, 12:14 AM Noah  wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, 1 Jun 2022, 23:48 Andrew Alston, 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Actually the notice of meeting is sent to every admin contact for the
>>> organization.
>>>
>>
>> This is a fact.
>>
>> I suppose its that admin contact who is the said representative of the
>> corporation in our context hence the reason the org send the admin the
>> notice.
>>
>> So I would assume that the "A" representative means the said admin
>> contact can delegate someone else as "A" representative to their
>> corporation.
>>
>>
>>> And the clause in section 115 refers to individuals - not corporations.
>>>
>>
>> Ack...
>>
>> Noah
>>
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Re: [Community-Discuss] [members-discuss] ATTENDANCE & PARTICIPATION AT THE ANNUAL GENERAL MEMBERS’ MEETING (AGMM)

[DANIEL NANGHAKA]

Some of you want to create confusion over small logical issues.

A corporation cannot be created by one individual. Corporation are
represented by one Administrator despite of have many members in the team.
That is why the registration is for one Administrative contact.

Even a kindergarten kid can differentiate between singular and plural.



On Thu, Jun 2, 2022, 12:14 AM Noah  wrote:

>
>
> On Wed, 1 Jun 2022, 23:48 Andrew Alston, 
> wrote:
>
>> Actually the notice of meeting is sent to every admin contact for the
>> organization.
>>
>
> This is a fact.
>
> I suppose its that admin contact who is the said representative of the
> corporation in our context hence the reason the org send the admin the
> notice.
>
> So I would assume that the "A" representative means the said admin contact
> can delegate someone else as "A" representative to their corporation.
>
>
>> And the clause in section 115 refers to individuals - not corporations.
>>
>
> Ack...
>
> Noah
>
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Re: [Community-Discuss] Comments from GovCom Communique

[DANIEL NANGHAKA]

Noted with thanks.

On Sun, May 22, 2022, 8:17 PM Sunday Folayan  wrote:

> Dear Mr Nanghaka and GovCom,
>
> A gentle reminder.
>
> I know you are busy, but do find the time to review my comments, and
> compare against the bylaw.
>
> Good evening.
>
> Sunday.
>
> On Fri, May 20, 2022 at 11:26 AM Sunday Folayan 
> wrote:
>
>> Dear Daniel,
>>
>> I am sorry, you seem to have an interpretation problem with my post.
>>
>> I have shown that there is nothing broken in the bylaw, that does not
>> have a mechanism for fixing.
>>
>> Kindly show how I am against the bylaws.
>>
>> Sunday.
>>
>> On Fri, May 20, 2022, 11:20 AM DANIEL NANGHAKA 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Dear Sunday,
>>>
>>> Kindly take note that you were once the chair of the board and now you
>>> are against the same Bylaws.
>>>
>>> Your recommendations are important and you need to bring them forth.
>>>
>>> AFRINIC was designed and created for Africa, we need policies for the
>>> stability of the organisation and not fight against the good cause by our
>>> founding fathers.
>>>
>>> We should appreciate the fact that AFRINIC has come a long way.
>>>
>>> Daniel K.Nanghaka
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, May 20, 2022, 11:59 Sunday Folayan  wrote:
>>>
>>>> Yes. This is correct.
>>>>
>>>> A major worry is the way the board and its committees' are selective in
>>>> what to comply with, when it comes to the bylaw.
>>>>
>>>> There may be imperfections in that bylaw, but there are enough
>>>> safeguards for manoeuvering positively, until members can meet.
>>>>
>>>> Sunday.
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, May 20, 2022, 7:49 AM Owen DeLong  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> In fact, in electing one member for a 2-year remainder of term two
>>>>> years ago, the precedent in question has already been set by decision of
>>>>> the membership at that time.
>>>>>
>>>>> Owen
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On May 17, 2022, at 17:45 , Sunday Folayan  wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Dear Mr. NANGHAKA,
>>>>>
>>>>> *The proposals suggested by Mr. Folayan and Mr. DeLong where the Board
>>>>> conducts elections out of sequence for certain seats and for the remainder
>>>>> of the unexpired term of the seat is likened to a bi-election mechanism.
>>>>> Unfortunately, there are no such provisions for bi-elections within the
>>>>> current By-Laws 2020.  And as such, it would be a clear breach of the
>>>>> provisions in the current By-Laws.*
>>>>>
>>>>> What is "bi-election" and what is "bi-election mechanisms?" Do you
>>>>> mean by-elections?  I am lost, as to these inventions that seem to
>>>>> obfuscate the issue..
>>>>>
>>>>> If you mean by-election above, then stating that there is no provision
>>>>> for by-election in the by-laws is not correct.
>>>>>
>>>>> *10.2) For the removal of doubt, where during the holding of an
>>>>> AFRINIC election, any issue is raised, which is not expressly provided for
>>>>> in this Constitution, the members present shall collectively and by
>>>>> consensus resolve it. Such resolution shall for the future AFRINIC
>>>>> elections be applied as a precedent and become an integral part of the
>>>>> election guidelines.*
>>>>>
>>>>> AfriNIC Election begins right from Vacancy, not Voting. Plenty of
>>>>> Election issues have been raised by the Board, GovCom and us herein. Give
>>>>> members the opportunity to resolve any contentious issue, as provided by
>>>>> the bylaw so that it can become a precedent.
>>>>>
>>>>> Simply put it all on the AGMM agenda for members to discuss, vote upon
>>>>> and resolve.
>>>>>
>>>>> Sunday.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, May 17, 2022 at 6:45 AM DANIEL NANGHAKA 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Dear Community,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I want to thank the community for the comments and suggestions made
>>>>>> after the Governance Committee published its communique on the
>>>>>> r

Re: [Community-Discuss] Comments from GovCom Communique

[DANIEL NANGHAKA]

Dear Sunday,

Kindly take note that you were once the chair of the board and now you are
against the same Bylaws.

Your recommendations are important and you need to bring them forth.

AFRINIC was designed and created for Africa, we need policies for the
stability of the organisation and not fight against the good cause by our
founding fathers.

We should appreciate the fact that AFRINIC has come a long way.

Daniel K.Nanghaka




On Fri, May 20, 2022, 11:59 Sunday Folayan  wrote:

> Yes. This is correct.
>
> A major worry is the way the board and its committees' are selective in
> what to comply with, when it comes to the bylaw.
>
> There may be imperfections in that bylaw, but there are enough safeguards
> for manoeuvering positively, until members can meet.
>
> Sunday.
>
> On Fri, May 20, 2022, 7:49 AM Owen DeLong  wrote:
>
>> In fact, in electing one member for a 2-year remainder of term two years
>> ago, the precedent in question has already been set by decision of the
>> membership at that time.
>>
>> Owen
>>
>>
>> On May 17, 2022, at 17:45 , Sunday Folayan  wrote:
>>
>> Dear Mr. NANGHAKA,
>>
>> *The proposals suggested by Mr. Folayan and Mr. DeLong where the Board
>> conducts elections out of sequence for certain seats and for the remainder
>> of the unexpired term of the seat is likened to a bi-election mechanism.
>> Unfortunately, there are no such provisions for bi-elections within the
>> current By-Laws 2020.  And as such, it would be a clear breach of the
>> provisions in the current By-Laws.*
>>
>> What is "bi-election" and what is "bi-election mechanisms?" Do you mean
>> by-elections?  I am lost, as to these inventions that seem to obfuscate the
>> issue..
>>
>> If you mean by-election above, then stating that there is no provision
>> for by-election in the by-laws is not correct.
>>
>> *10.2) For the removal of doubt, where during the holding of an AFRINIC
>> election, any issue is raised, which is not expressly provided for in this
>> Constitution, the members present shall collectively and by consensus
>> resolve it. Such resolution shall for the future AFRINIC elections be
>> applied as a precedent and become an integral part of the election
>> guidelines.*
>>
>> AfriNIC Election begins right from Vacancy, not Voting. Plenty of
>> Election issues have been raised by the Board, GovCom and us herein. Give
>> members the opportunity to resolve any contentious issue, as provided by
>> the bylaw so that it can become a precedent.
>>
>> Simply put it all on the AGMM agenda for members to discuss, vote upon
>> and resolve.
>>
>> Sunday.
>>
>>
>> On Tue, May 17, 2022 at 6:45 AM DANIEL NANGHAKA 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Dear Community,
>>>
>>> I want to thank the community for the comments and suggestions made
>>> after the Governance Committee published its communique on the
>>> recommendations made to the AfriNIC Board. GovCom plans to take all the
>>> suggestions and comments into the next meeting and deliberate on them
>>> further. We take note of the comments/recommendations made especially by
>>> Mr. Folayan and Mr. DeLong.
>>>
>>> I would however like to remind the community about the provisions within
>>> the current By-Laws that lead to the recommendations GovCom made to the
>>> Board.  There only provisions within the current By-Laws that would enable
>>> a person to be a member of the AfriNIC Board.
>>> Filling of a Casual Vacancy in pursuit of Article 13.14 of the By-Laws
>>> Conduct of Elections with a full tenure of three (3) years in pursuit of
>>> Article 13.5, Article 13.6, and Article 13.7 of the By-Laws
>>> Either the Board, NomCom, ECom, GovCom, or even Members at an AGMM have
>>> the power to vary the sequence seats for Directors are elected or the
>>> mandated  3-year tenure of an elected Director
>>> The proposals suggested by Mr. Folayan and Mr. DeLong where the Board
>>> conducts elections out of sequence for certain seats and for the remainder
>>> of the unexpired term of the seat is likened to a bi-election mechanism.
>>> Unfortunately, there are no such provisions for bi-elections within the
>>> current By-Laws 2020.  And as such, it would be a clear breach of the
>>> provisions in the current By-Laws.
>>>
>>> In regards to the Eastern Africa seat, the Board restored the tenure of
>>> the elected Director to the mandated 3-year term.  They were no extensions
>>> of the tenure as

Re: [Community-Discuss] Comments from GovCom Communique

[DANIEL NANGHAKA]

Dear Community,

I want to thank the community for the comments and suggestions made after
the Governance Committee published its communique on the recommendations
made to the AfriNIC Board. GovCom plans to take all the suggestions and
comments into the next meeting and deliberate on them further. We take note
of the comments/recommendations made especially by Mr. Folayan and Mr.
DeLong.

I would however like to remind the community about the provisions within
the current By-Laws that lead to the recommendations GovCom made to the
Board.  There only provisions within the current By-Laws that would enable
a person to be a member of the AfriNIC Board.
Filling of a Casual Vacancy in pursuit of Article 13.14 of the By-Laws
Conduct of Elections with a full tenure of three (3) years in pursuit of
Article 13.5, Article 13.6, and Article 13.7 of the By-Laws
Either the Board, NomCom, ECom, GovCom, or even Members at an AGMM have the
power to vary the sequence seats for Directors are elected or the mandated
3-year tenure of an elected Director
The proposals suggested by Mr. Folayan and Mr. DeLong where the Board
conducts elections out of sequence for certain seats and for the remainder
of the unexpired term of the seat is likened to a bi-election mechanism.
Unfortunately, there are no such provisions for bi-elections within the
current By-Laws 2020.  And as such, it would be a clear breach of the
provisions in the current By-Laws.

In regards to the Eastern Africa seat, the Board restored the tenure of the
elected Director to the mandated 3-year term.  They were no extensions of
the tenure as the Board did not have the mandate to reduce the tenure to
2-years in the first place.

I hope this puts to rest the ongoing debate and clears the way for a
successful AGMM.

regards,

Daniel
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Re: [Community-Discuss] Update on the complaint lodged against AFRINIC at the Competition Commission of Mauritius

[DANIEL NANGHAKA]

Owen,

I think you have a problem and you are against the existence of AFRINIC.

Democracy is different from Open communication to the community.

AFRINIC is a membership driven organisation and it's an obligation for the
community to get reports on what transpired in the courts which have thus
been communicated respectively.

I think it hurts you that AFRINIC has achieved these milestones and is
protecting Africa's resources.

Let's gives a thumbs up for the legal team and management of AFRINIC.

 congratulations to the team.

Daniel KN

On Sat, Feb 19, 2022, 9:49 AM Owen DeLong via Community-Discuss <
community-discuss@afrinic.net> wrote:

>
>
> > On Feb 18, 2022, at 13:19 , Mark Tinka  wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > On 2/18/22 13:57, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via Community-Discuss wrote:
> >
> >> Democracy = Transparency
> >
> > Hmmh... mmkay.
>
> I think it would be more accurate to say that a functional democracy
> requires transparency.
>
> Hence, since AFRINIC board insists on limiting transparancy, we have an
> inherently dysfunctional democracy here.
>
> We have long experience with this type of dysfunction in the US, so I know
> it when I see it.
>
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Re: [Community-Discuss] Cloud Innovation Ltd vs AFRINIC (SCR 5C/30/21) Court Update

[DANIEL NANGHAKA]

This is another great milestone.
I would like to congratulate the the CEO and team upon this success.

On Wed, Feb 16, 2022, 08:09 Mark Tinka  wrote:

> Step by step.
>
> Well done, Eddy and team!
>
> Mark.
>
> On 2/16/22 03:53, John Curran wrote:
>
> Sylvain -
>
> Indeed - upon review, it is apparent that "the standing of the current
> injunction is the basis on which the judge ruled that the appeal was
> effectively moot and therefore dismissed it.” (as stated by Owen).
>
> However, the weakness of such a statement is that it doesn’t convey the
> full context of the learned judge's ruling - the “disturbing features” of
> the entire matter before the court of record, the “concern at the number of
> successive applications lodged by the appellant against the respondent
> praying in effect for the same remedy.", etc.
>
> This is why the other assertion that Owen made (i.e. "the appeal was
> dismissed _strictly_ (emphasis added) on the grounds that the existing
> injunction essentially renders the appeal moot.”) is more speculative in
> nature – as one cannot know if it was “strictly” on that basis and/or the
> extent that these "distributing features” weighed into consideration – only
> that the full context of all these applications before the court seeking
> similar remedy was considered sufficiently relevant by the court to be
> included in the judgement.
>
>
> Thanks again for sharing!
> /John
>
> John Curran
> President and CEO
> American Registry for Internet Numbers
>
>
>
> On 16 Feb 2022, at 5:14 AM, Sylvain Baya  wrote:
>
> Dear AfriNIC's Community,
>
> Hope this email finds you in good health,
>
> Please see my comments below, inline...
>
> Le mardi 15 février 2022, Dewole Ajao  a écrit :
>
>> Thanks for the update which you seem to be celebrating (if I read you
>> correctly). For those like me who are legalese-challenged, does this mean
>> that Cloud Innovation's resources are now effectively revoked?
>>
>>
>
> Hi Dewole,
> Thanks for your email, brother :-)
> ...i'm samely challenged, though, but it's certainly
> a good new for the stability of the whole INRS...
> even if it turns out to be just temporary...btw, i
> know someone, following up and, who could easily
>  & freely explain the sustainable impact of what the
>  honorable judges ruled out.
>
> ...i guess i can freely paste the first four pages below:
>
> ~°~
> CLOUD INNOVATION LTD v AFRICAN NETWORK INFORMATION CENTRE
> (AFRINIC) LTD
> 2022 SCJ 51
> Record No. 121865
> THE SUPREME COURT OF MAURITIUS
> In the matter of:-
> Cloud Innovation Ltd
> Appellant
> v.
> African Network Information Centre (Afrinic) Ltd
> Respondent
> -
> JUDGMENT
> This is an appeal against a judgment of the learned Judge in Chambers
> delivered
> on 7 July 2021 setting aside an application for injunctive relief.
> At the hearing, the appellant dropped grounds 1(v), 2, 3 and 5 out of the
> 7
> grounds of appeal. We, however, do not propose to deal with the merits of
> the remaining
> grounds of appeal for the reasons set out below.
> During the hearing, reference was made to 2 other Judge in Chambers
> applications as well as a “main case”. As a superior Court of record, some
> disturbing
> features have now come to our attention. In the present case, the
> appellant (then
> applicant) had applied in essence for an injunction restraining and
> prohibiting the
> respondent from terminating the membership of the appellant as a resource
> member of
> the respondent (“the first application”). In the judgment delivered on 7
> July 2021, the
> learned Judge in Chambers upheld a preliminary objection raised by the
> respondent and
> set aside the first application with costs, hence the present appeal.
>
> 2
> Subsequently, Court records reveal that the same appellant lodged a series
> of
> applications before different Judges sitting in Chambers on 12 July, 13
> July,
> 3 September, 6 September, 26 November, 1 December and 3 December 2021. The
> particulars of these applications and of the first application have been
> set out in tabular
> form in an annex to this judgment (Annex A).
> From a reading of all these applications, it is patently clear that the
> appellant was
> in effect praying for the same remedy in all of them, namely to restrain
> and prohibit the
> respondent from terminating the membership of the appellant as a resource
> member of
> the respondent. All the applications have been set aside except for the
> ones lodged on
> 6 September 2021 and 3 December 2021.
> For the purposes of this appeal, the application lodged on 3 December 2021
> (“the
> last application”) is of particular interest. In this application, the
> learned Judge in
> Chambers granted, ex parte, an interim order in the following terms:-
> “…. let an interim order in the nature of an injunction issue, restraining
> and
> prohibiting the respondent, either by itself, its agent, representatives
> or
> préposé from:
> (i) acting in any manner whatsoever on or giving effect to 

Re: [Community-Discuss] [apnic-talk]Re: [arin-ppml] Update on Litigation Between AFRINIC and Cloud Innovation ltd

[DANIEL NANGHAKA]

The puppets are so many and seek attention.

I just see a bunch of distractors and attention seekers.



On Sat, Jan 1, 2022, 3:21 PM Barry Macharia via Community-Discuss <
community-discuss@afrinic.net> wrote:

> Elvis ,
> So , if its only( you and some imaginary people )that finds it offensive,
> the whole community should acknowledge and act on it right
>
> snap out of it
>
> Barry - Resource Holder
>
>
>
>
> On 1 Jan 2022, at 14:45, Ibeanusi Elvis  wrote:
>
> 
> Barry,
>
> As I earlier stated, offensive to me.
>
> Regards,
> Elvis.
>
> On Sat, Jan 1, 2022 at 18:36 Barry Macharia  wrote:
>
>> Elvis ,
>>
>> Offensive to who ?
>>
>>
>> Barry
>> > On 1 Jan 2022, at 09:27, Ibeanusi Elvis 
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > Indeed Ronald’s statements were offensive and defamatory. Which
>> violates the AFRINIC Code of Conduct in section B; 2, 3 and 4.
>> > To be exact, his statement against me referring to me as IGNORANT
>> >
>> >  "Sockpuppetry is not an "ideology".  It is a well-established fact
>> of life
>> >  on the modern Internet, just as "astroturfing" is in real life.
>> If you
>> >  don't know that then it is because either you are ignorant or else
>> it is
>> >  because you are pretending to be ignorant”
>> >
>> > Additionally, defamatory as he infers that the people in the community
>> are not “REAL PEOPLE”.
>> > The community is of course open-minded to criticism, we are not always
>> going to agree with each other but we can be and have opposite perspectives
>> but I believe there are better ways to disagree than being offensive,
>> defamatory, and violating the Code of Conduct.
>> >
>> > Best regards,
>> > Elvis.
>> >
>> >> On Dec 31, 2021, at 23:36, Frank Habicht  wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> On 31/12/2021 16:45, Cheken Chetty wrote:
>> >>> Good day all, chairs,
>> >>> I would like to call out a violation of the Code of Conduct by
>> Ronald. His statements are clearly against section B, numbers 2, 3 and 4
>> within the AFRINIC code of conduct. His actions and statements are
>> defamatory and quite offensive.
>> >>> Regards
>> >>
>> >> Hi Cheken Chetty,
>> >>
>> >> Please assist to state any affiliation of concern you have and assist
>> to clarify :
>> >> - who is defamed
>> >> - who is offended
>> >>
>> >> Thanks,
>> >> Frank
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Re: [Community-Discuss] [arin-ppml] Update on Litigation Between AFRINIC and Cloud Innovation ltd

[DANIEL NANGHAKA]

I wonder why some members can't let the court of law do its work.

AFRINIC has provided updates to the community where necessity of the update
is important.

If CI is to do there press releases, there is no problem as it is also
noted that they should present facts and not mislead the community.

CI's press release looks vague and does not give detailed information. If
you do a press release then present the exact issues otherwise just shut up
and let the courts do there job.




On Wed, Dec 29, 2021, 23:08 Owen DeLong via Community-Discuss <
community-discuss@afrinic.net> wrote:

> Are you saying that the cloud innovation press release contains false,
> misleading, or inaccurate defamatory claims about afrinic?
>
> Owen
>
>
> On Dec 28, 2021, at 12:38, John Curran  wrote:
>
> 
>
> On 28 Dec 2021, at 2:49 PM, Mathanya Ramaboea 
> wrote:
>
> I highly appreciate CI's good communication with its clients regarding the
> development of the lawsuit but I also agree that it would be good to see
> what AFRINIC also has to say on the matter, to its members and everyone
> else in the community. It is normal that the case involves a certain level
> of confidentiality but from Cheken's link it appears that AFRINIC has
> "repeatedly breached the Judge's order and acted in contempt of the
> court'', so at what cost? How would this reflect on the outcome of the
> litigation and everyone impacted?
>
>
> Reference:  https://afrinic.net/court-cases
>
> Given that one of the matters of litigation is a claim of defamation by
> Cloud Innovation against AFRINIC as a result of AFRINIC’s past
> communications to the community about the cases, it would not surprise me
> in the least if AFRINIC were to be quite reticent about further
> communications on these legal matters – I know that I would be if ARIN
> faced similar circumstances, even if it went further so as to include
> specious representations to our community about their status.
>
> FYI,
> /John
>
> John Curran
> President and CEO
> American Registry for Internet Numbers
>
>
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Re: [Community-Discuss] Update on legal case - Freeze of Bank accounts

[DANIEL NANGHAKA]

Thank you for the update.
This is great news

On Fri, Oct 15, 2021, 13:58 Eddy Kayihura  wrote:

> Dear Colleagues,
>
> Please see the message below that was shared with our members.
> --
>
> Kind Regards
>
> Eddy Kayihura M.
> Chief Executive Officer
> African Network Information Centre (AFRINIC) Ltd.
> 
> t: +230 403 51 00  |  tt: @afrinic  |  https://www.afrinic.net  |
> youtube.com/afrinicmedia
> ___
>
> Vision: “A secure and accessible Internet for sustainable digital growth
> in Africa”
> Mission: “To serve the African Internet community by delivering efficient
> services in a global multi-stakeholder environment”
> Values: EPIC (■ Excellence ■ Passion ■ Integrity ■ Community Driven)
>
>
>
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> Begin forwarded message:
>
> *From: *Eddy Kayihura 
> *Subject: **[members-discuss] Update on legal case - Freeze of Bank
> accounts*
> *Date: *15 October 2021 at 14:53:03 GMT+4
> *To: *AfriNIC Discuss 
>
> Dear Colleagues,
>
> We are happy to inform our stakeholders that there was a court hearing
> today with regard to our application for removal of the freezing order
> against AFRINIC.
>
>
> The Court, after considering our application and the case initiated by
> Cloud Innovation Ltd, has declared the order null and void. In short,
> AFRINIC has won this case against Cloud Innovation Ltd.
>
>
> There is another Appeal to be heard on 11th November 2021. We will keep
> you informed of the outcome and we are quietly optimistic that justice will
> prevail.
>
> Kind Regards,
>
> Eddy Kayihura
> Chief Executive Officer
> African Network Information Centre (AFRINIC)
> c...@afrinic.net
>
> …...
>
> Chers Collègues,
>
> Nous sommes heureux de vous informer qu'une audience a eu lieu aujourd'hui
> au tribunal concernant notre demande de levée de l'ordonnance de gel des
> comptes d'AFRINIC.
>
>
> Le tribunal, après avoir examiné notre demande et l'affaire initiée par
> Cloud Innovation Ltd, a déclaré l'ordonnance nulle et non avenue. En bref,
> AFRINIC a gagné ce procès contre Cloud Innovation Ltd.
>
>
> Un autre appel doit être entendu le 11 novembre 2021. Nous vous tiendrons
> informés du dénouement et nous sommes optimistes quant à la justice.
>
> Cordialement,
>
> Eddy Kayihura
> Directeur général
> Le Centre d'information du réseau africain
> c...@afrinic.net
> ……...
>
> زملائي الاعزاء،
>
> يسعدنا إبلاغ أصحاب المصلحة لدينا أنه كانت هناك جلسة استماع اليوم فيما
> يتعلق بطلبنا لإزالة أمر التجميد ضد AFRINIC.
>
>
> أعلنت المحكمة ، بعد النظر في طلبنا والقضية التي رفعتها شركة Cloud
> Innovation Ltd ، أن الأمر باطل ولاغٍ. باختصار ، فازت AFRINIC بقضيتها ضد
> Cloud Innovation Ltd.
>
>
> هناك نداء آخر سيتم الاستماع إليه في 11 نوفمبر. سنبقيك على اطلاع بالنتيجة
> ونحن متفائلون بهدوء بأن العدالة ستسود.
>
> AFRINIC للاتصالات
>
> .
>
> Caros colegas,
>
> Temos o prazer de informar as nossas partes interessadas de que houve hoje
> uma audiência judicial relativamente ao nosso pedido de retirada da ordem
> de congelamento contra a AFRINIC.
>
>
> O Tribunal, após considerar o nosso pedido e o processo iniciado pela
> Cloud Innovation Ltd, declarou a ordem nula e sem efeito. Em suma, a
> AFRINIC ganhou o seu processo contra a Cloud Innovation Ltd.
>
>
> Há outro recurso a ser ouvido a 11 de Novembro de 2021. Manter-vos-emos
> informados sobre o resultado e estamos tranquilamente optimistas de que a
> justiça prevalecerá.
>
> Cumprimentos,
>
> Eddy Kayihura
> Chefe do Executivo
> O Centro de Informação da Rede Africana
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>
>
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>
>
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Re: [Community-Discuss] USE of (ARIN, RIPE, APNIC) ADDRESS SPACE IN AFRICA

[DANIEL NANGHAKA]

I think CI just wants to show that he is a small god and just threatens
everything. $80 million (USD) is not a joke.

One leader claimed to rule the world but the rule was short lived and
started hunting for help and later died just like street dogs.
Daniel

On Tue, Aug 24, 2021, 00:33 Ronald F. Guilmette 
wrote:

> In message  ci17dz9n7jrxwq0ygmmq2bhegkzcspjq-5bn...@mail.gmail.com>
> Noah  wrote:
>
> >Not so fast. I am trying to make sense of the 1.8 billion claim or the 50
> >million...
>
> Don't forget about the $80 million (USD) claim that Cloud Innovation has
> also and separately filed against Board Chairman, Subramanian Moonesamy,
> and against CEO Eddy Kayihura in their personal capacities.
>
> (One hopes that all board members and corporate officers of the other four
> RIRs are currently reviewing their corporate liability insurance policies
> in light of recent events.)
>
>
> Regards,
> rfg
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Re: [Community-Discuss] FUNDRAISING & DONATIONS - TO KEEP AFRINIC RUNNING

[DANIEL NANGHAKA]

I do not understand what is wrong with some members on this list. Their
actions show they want to kill AFRINIC.
If they are not in support of sustainability - why don't they move to the
other regions where they want to migrate or want the region to take over
AFRINIC.
In the history of the creation of AFRINIC, AFRINIC was created to manage
Resources that were designated to Africa.
So, those who want to use African resources in other regions, let them
leave African resources and look for resources in those respective regions.
Otherwise, we are seeing IP colonialism, theft and robbery in broad
daylight.

Daniel

On Fri, 20 Aug 2021 at 08:22, Brian Sowers  wrote:

> One pressing question that may undermine this “initiative”: has AFRINIC
> agreed to this process? While this is an initiative from certain resource
> members in the community, there needs to have been explicit consent from
> AFRINIC because it cannot fully account for these donations if ever. Who
> has received this consent from AFRINIC to push through with this initiative?
>
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Re: [Community-Discuss] FUNDRAISING & DONATIONS - TO KEEP AFRINIC RUNNING

[DANIEL NANGHAKA]

I strongly agree.

Let's all support the sustainability of AFRINIC to ensure a stable internet
ecosystem.

Daniel

On Thu, Aug 19, 2021, 5:47 PM Ronald F. Guilmette 
wrote:

> In message  cnepg6qtn5wm5265z9zyl5hnynudhwbooawjw...@mail.gmail.com>,
> Ibeanusi Elvis  wrote:
>
> >Regarding the legalities of this initiative, I would want to verify
> >something; did a lawyer review this idea to ensure that this initiative
> >will not be viewed in contempt with regards to the decision of the
> >Mauritius court?
>
> The court placed a (temporary) freeze on AFRINIC's bank accounts.
>
> If I, as a generous netizen, elect to send $50 USD -directly- to some
> Afrinic employee, then that is not something that either can or will
> concern the Mauritius court that created the AFRINIC bank account freeze,
> as long as I do not attempt to route the money through any of the frozen
> AFRINIC bank accounts that existed on the date and time when the judicial
> freeze order took effect.  (If AFRINIC were to open a -new- account, either
> in Mauritius or elsewhere, then that account would not be in any sense
> frozen by the current operative judicial order, I believe.)
>
> It's the same story if one was to create a GoFundMe campaign for AFRINIC.
> The court order did not specify that GoFundMe.com is prohibited from
> forwarding funds to AFRINIC or to its officers or employees.
>
> In fact, if this entire sad episode has taught us anything, it is that all
> five of the Regional Internet Registries should at all times hold bank
> balances ONLY in Nevis & St. Kitts, where those bank balances would be
> essentially immune from any and all legal encumbrances.
>
>
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Re: [Community-Discuss] [members-discuss] Update on legal case

[DANIEL NANGHAKA]

Leo,
There is no wasting time here.

This is a genuine cause.

I appreciate your support.

Daniel

On Wed, Jul 28, 2021, 8:19 PM Leo S  wrote:

> Thanks
> I will be back in my life and will not waste time here.
>
> On Thu, Jul 29, 2021 at 12:21 AM AFRINIC Communication 
> wrote:
>
>> Mr Leo,
>>
>> Please refrain from making a personal attack on this mailing list.
>>
>> Please consider this email as a first warning.
>>
>> We shall be obliged to moderate your emails should you continue with such
>> comments.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> AFRINIC Communications
>>
>> On 28 Jul 2021, at 15:43, Leo S  wrote:
>>
>> Yes I agree It's just that the management of AFRINIC may have changed
>> with previous years.
>> Although some people in the community questioned Cloud Innovation Ltd in
>> the past few years, AFRINIC did not take any action, but now it has taken
>> action. Maybe Cloud Innovation Ltd did not use their money well. Lead to
>> the current ending, Cloud Innovation Ltd losing ground in management team
>> of AFRINIC
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jul 28, 2021 at 5:31 PM Ali Hussein  wrote:
>>
>>> It is a political game. Hence my post of yesterday. This is a wider
>>> conversation about African Internet Resources and who controls them. Let's
>>> be very careful not to be looped into non-issues. The MOST IMPORTANT
>>> conversation we MUST have is this:-
>>>
>>> 1. Who controls AFRINIC today.
>>> 2. Who will control it tomorrow.
>>> 3. Who is out to ensure that Board Members are aligned to which
>>> grouping.
>>> 4. Who are these groups?
>>> 5.  Corporate Governance is a major issue here. Whilst I believe this is
>>> being handled and that it's a process we must be clear going forward that
>>> shedding light on all matters is super-critical. Light has a way of
>>> removing all crawling things out of the shadows and into the light. The
>>> Board's Fiduciary Responsibility has never been more important than ever.
>>>
>>> *Ali Hussein*
>>> Digital Transformation
>>>
>>> Tel: +254 713 601113
>>> Twitter: @AliHKassim
>>> Skype: abu-jomo
>>> LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Any information of a personal nature expressed in this email are purely
>>> mine and do not necessarily reflect the official positions of the
>>> organizations that I work with.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jul 28, 2021 at 9:46 AM Leo S  wrote:
>>>
 Very funny, it looks like a political game

 On Wed, Jul 28, 2021 at 2:33 PM Noah  wrote:

>
>
> On Tue, Jul 27, 2021 at 6:43 PM Owen DeLong via Community-Discuss <
> community-discuss@afrinic.net> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On Jul 27, 2021, at 00:35, Omo Oaiya  wrote:
>>
>> 
>>
>> On 27 Jul 2021, at 07:54, Ronald F. Guilmette 
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>> In any case, the data at the link above demonstrates quite
>> persuasively that
>> there *is* some finite non-zero business relationship between Africa
>> on Cloud
>> on the one hand and Cloud Innovation on the other hand.  I personally
>> have
>> no idea what that relationship is, or what it may signify, and thus I
>> personally do not care to jump to any specific conclusion about that
>> relationship, or its possible significance or insignificance.  But to
>> try
>> to deny that there exists -any- relationship whatsoever, in spite of
>> the
>> clear evidence, is worse than disingenuous.  It is silly.
>>
>>
>> I did not deny that a relationship exists. I pointed out that there
>> is no evidence presented to indicate that it is anything more than
>> customer/supplier.
>>
>
> In the last board elections where Elkins defeated Paul Wolner, there
> were multiple resource members who received phone calls from HongKong
> asking them to vote for Wolner.
>
> Check the archives.
>
> Noah
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Re: [Community-Discuss] [members-discuss] Update on legal case

[DANIEL NANGHAKA]

I will be so kind to say that following the various threads, I do not want
to make an unnecessary judgement but instead of building on the Internet
Development in Africa, Cloud Innovation Ltd came to Kill, Steal and Destroy
AFRINIC.

On Wed, 28 Jul 2021 at 14:44, Leo S  wrote:

> Yes I agree It's just that the management of AFRINIC may have changed with
> previous years.
> Although some people in the community questioned Cloud Innovation Ltd in
> the past few years, AFRINIC did not take any action, but now it has taken
> action. Maybe Cloud Innovation Ltd did not use their money well. Lead to
> the current ending, Cloud Innovation Ltd losing ground in management team
> of AFRINIC
>
>
> On Wed, Jul 28, 2021 at 5:31 PM Ali Hussein  wrote:
>
>> It is a political game. Hence my post of yesterday. This is a wider
>> conversation about African Internet Resources and who controls them. Let's
>> be very careful not to be looped into non-issues. The MOST IMPORTANT
>> conversation we MUST have is this:-
>>
>> 1. Who controls AFRINIC today.
>> 2. Who will control it tomorrow.
>> 3. Who is out to ensure that Board Members are aligned to which grouping.
>> 4. Who are these groups?
>> 5.  Corporate Governance is a major issue here. Whilst I believe this is
>> being handled and that it's a process we must be clear going forward that
>> shedding light on all matters is super-critical. Light has a way of
>> removing all crawling things out of the shadows and into the light. The
>> Board's Fiduciary Responsibility has never been more important than ever.
>>
>> *Ali Hussein*
>>
>> Digital Transformation
>>
>>
>> Tel: +254 713 601113
>>
>> Twitter: @AliHKassim
>>
>> Skype: abu-jomo
>>
>> LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim
>> 
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Any information of a personal nature expressed in this email are purely
>> mine and do not necessarily reflect the official positions of the
>> organizations that I work with.
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jul 28, 2021 at 9:46 AM Leo S  wrote:
>>
>>> Very funny, it looks like a political game
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jul 28, 2021 at 2:33 PM Noah  wrote:
>>>


 On Tue, Jul 27, 2021 at 6:43 PM Owen DeLong via Community-Discuss <
 community-discuss@afrinic.net> wrote:

>
>
> On Jul 27, 2021, at 00:35, Omo Oaiya  wrote:
>
> 
>
> On 27 Jul 2021, at 07:54, Ronald F. Guilmette 
> wrote:
>
>
> In any case, the data at the link above demonstrates quite
> persuasively that
> there *is* some finite non-zero business relationship between Africa
> on Cloud
> on the one hand and Cloud Innovation on the other hand.  I personally
> have
> no idea what that relationship is, or what it may signify, and thus I
> personally do not care to jump to any specific conclusion about that
> relationship, or its possible significance or insignificance.  But to
> try
> to deny that there exists -any- relationship whatsoever, in spite of
> the
> clear evidence, is worse than disingenuous.  It is silly.
>
>
> I did not deny that a relationship exists. I pointed out that there is
> no evidence presented to indicate that it is anything more than
> customer/supplier.
>

 In the last board elections where Elkins defeated Paul Wolner, there
 were multiple resource members who received phone calls from HongKong
 asking them to vote for Wolner.

 Check the archives.

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Re: [Community-Discuss] Share About Cloud Innovation Ltd and their business

[DANIEL NANGHAKA]

Some community members want to kill AFRINIC.
These members do not have passion for AFRICA as a region and are against
AFRICA internet and technology development.

On Sun, Jul 25, 2021, 6:33 PM Erick Joshua Lagon 
wrote:

> To all,
>
> This is clearly a personal attack and defamation which holds no relevance
> to the real issue at hand. I encourage the Board to take down this post
> because we cannot achieve anything by posting ad hominem arguments. We
> should be addressing issues for the sake of the community and not attack
> anyone else here.
>
> Regards,
> Erick
>
> On Sun, Jul 25, 2021 at 10:39 PM Leo S  wrote:
>
>> About Cloud Innovation Ltd I want to talk about their business model.
>>
>> They got 7 Million IPv4 addresses from AFRINIC at a price of $10,000 USD
>> per year, and then leased them to ISPs or end users at a price of ~2
>> USD/year/IPv4 (large block in 2018 if Small block may be more expensive
>> maybe $3 USD) and with an annual increase of 15% fee from the price
>>
>> So the cost is $10,000 USD
>>
>> Revenue is 7M x 2 = 14 Million
>>
>> so it’s 15% profit
>>
>> Part of the cost is spent on RIR community activities and seeking support
>> from members, and money will be used to defeat those who oppose it.
>>
>> Are there any people in the world who don't love money? Those who accept
>> their money will support them in the community. and questioned any action
>> of discussion that would be detrimental to them.
>>
>> Of course, this is Lu Heng.
>>
>> He also plundered tens of thousands of IP addresses from RIPE and A few
>> years later sold to vodafone and earned millions of dollars. He is smart
>> and knows who should pay the money to.
>>
>>
>> To rent an IP address from Cloud Innovation Ltd, you do not need to use
>> their network services and circuits. Exactly they don't provide network
>> service. and I think 90% of IP addresses are used in North America and Asia
>>
>>
>> I don't know much about AFRINIC's policy. But in ARIN you must have a
>> circuit or network service then you can rent an IP address from the
>> provider.
>>
>> The AFRINIC internal audit action may be detrimental to Cloud Innovation
>> Ltd, so they started some network services in South Africa last year as
>> Africa on cloud. but it's a small network. I think the revenue from these
>> services may account for less than 10% of their revenue. so 90% of their
>> revenue still from IPv4 address leasing business
>>
>> It can be seen from their income that they have enough money to support
>> the lawsuit against AFRINIC. And spend money in the community to fight for
>> their address not to be revoked.
>>
>> very sad AFRINIC is too poor
>>
>> By the way, I was also their customer before
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [Community-Discuss] [rpd] ARIN without Owen Delong ?

[DANIEL NANGHAKA]

Thank you Owen for the email,

I do not appreciate private emails as the matter was published and is being
publicly discussed.

This is a practice of bad actors in the community.

Daniel


On Wed, 14 Jul 2021 at 13:56, Owen DeLong  wrote:

> Daniel,
>
> Responding in private since this is off-topic for the list.
>
> This really has nothing to do with the AFRNIC PDP and has to do with
> things I want to be able to say and advocate for in the ARIN region.
>
> There is no conflict between my activities in AFRINIC PDP and my role on
> the ARIN AC.
>
> As to my interest in the AFRINIC PDP, you should note that I’m also at
> various times active in APNIC, LACNIC, RIPE, and ARIN PDPs.
>
> I make my living as a consultant and I have at various times had clients
> all over the world and some clients with global networks. As a result, I am
> often asked to pay attention to the PDP in those regions.
>
> I am also someone with a strong sense of community service. As such, since
> I am obliged to monitor the process for my client(s) anyway, I will often
> work towards what I perceive as the best interests of the community
> (regardless of whether it is best for my client or not) and I will often
> advocate as such. In general, I select clients who are generally
> ideologically aligned with me.
>
> One exception is Cloud Innovation. While I am not ideologically 100% in
> agreement with them and do not necessarily favor the current state of
> policy which benefits them, I am even more concerned that the RIRs cannot
> simply make up policy or randomly interpret policy to suit their
> ideological goals and must, instead, follow the policy as written until it
> is amended through the proper community process.
>
> AFRINIC has a long history of corruption, election irregularities,
> financial misdeeds, and failure to properly follow its own rules in both
> its governance process and in its management of the IP registry database.
> As such, I have maintained a high level of interest in AFRINIC’s doings in
> an effort to do what I can to help resolve those issues.
>
> Owen
>
> On Jul 14, 2021, at 03:38 , DANIEL NANGHAKA  wrote:
>
> Dear Marcus,
>
> I strongly agree, that there are policy updates from the other RIRs, what
> is catching my interest at the moment is that Owen has been one of the very
> active participants on PDP and I believe AFRINIC has a high level of
> freedom of expression.
> When he gives a reason that he wants to have greater freedom and
> flexibility to advocate for changes in the internet community, some of
> which would be considered a conflict of interest with his role as an
> Advisory Council member. I begin to realise that Owen could have been
> having a high conflict of interest which conflicted with his position on
> the AC.
>
> Dear Owen,
> Owen, kindly advise how we could deal with the Conflict of Interest in the
> PDP as you state it clearly in your reason. Furthermore, I still have
> question marks as to why the AFRINIC PDP is of high interest to you - yet
> the Policies discussed are for the development of the Internet in Africa.
> Is something wrong with the AFRINIC PDP that stimulates high interest for
> your participation in AFRINIC Process that the Africa participants have
> failed to solve which requires your expertise?
>
> Is ARIN more superior than AFRINIC?
>
> Thanks
> Daniel
>
>
> ᐧ
>
> On Wed, 14 Jul 2021 at 13:26, Marcus K. G. Adomey 
> wrote:
>
>> Dear Owen and PDWG,
>>
>> I don’t think this is an off-topic. There are reasons why we always have
>> session on “policy update from other RIRs” at every PPM…it’s like we care
>> for what happened at ARIN  PDP through its AC and  possible impact on our
>> PDP and related issues
>>
>> In response  to the statement below, one would like to know why  is Owen
>> talking  about “  was not forced to resign”?  Nobody said so AFAIK, how
>> come the position at ARIN constitute restraint to speech and why only now?
>>
>> And question for this community is how  do we deal with conflict of
>> interest in our PDP?
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>>
>>
>> Marcus
>>
>>
>> --
>> *From:* Owen DeLong via Community-Discuss 
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, July 13, 2021 5:03:19 PM
>> *To:* Arnaud AMELINA 
>> *Cc:* General Discussions of AFRINIC ;
>> AfriNIC Resource Policy Discussion List 
>> *Subject:* Re: [Community-Discuss] [rpd] ARIN without Owen Delong ?
>>
>> Apologies to the list for this off-topic posting, but given the
>> unwarranted attention already paid to the
>> matter and the escalating level of speculation, I beg your in

Re: [Community-Discuss] Supreme Court Order in Relation to Cloud Innovation v AFRINIC

[DANIEL NANGHAKA]

Hello Mimi,

It's not questioning MU's court decision, AFRINIC has Policies and a
process to handle complaints which include number resources.
Tickets act as proof of damage of occurrence when a situation arises. There
is information that is lacking, why dont you provide the required specific
information, what is hindering CI from providing information that they feel
is relevant in the process.

I advise you to fill up the holes accurately such that the pot can be able
to hold water.

Thank you
Daniel
ᐧ

On Wed, 14 Jul 2021 at 13:40, Mimi dy  wrote:

> Hello Daniel,
>
> Are you questioning the MU court's decision? Are we now going against the
> actual law? Do you think that the court did not request HARD PROPER
> EVIDENCE to sort this out? Some people's reasoning just boggles the mind.
> You do not really need to check the tickets to comprehend that numerous
> users' networks/connectivity were at stake, the provided detailed documents
> are more than enough in this case.
>
> Kindly refrain from picking holes in an inaccurate way, and give the
> shared documents a quick scan before posting unnecessarily.
>
> Best,
>
> Le mer. 14 juil. 2021 à 11:24, DANIEL NANGHAKA  a
> écrit :
>
>>
>> I would like to appreciate the level of transparency that is being put
>> forward here by Cloud Innovation.
>> The fact that they Cloud Innovation is sharing information and also the
>> excel sheets as has been attached.
>>
>> You claim that million of users have been affected during the process.
>>
>> Could you kindly share the tickets of the affected users as you have
>> shared the respective information?
>>
>> I feel there could be some information that is not being shared here.
>> Where are the hundreds of millions of users of number resources registered
>> to Cloud Innovation located?
>>
>> Regards
>> Daniel
>> ᐧ
>>
>> On Wed, 14 Jul 2021 at 12:18, Kevin Kamonye 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Worrying times indeed.
>>>
>>> Thank you for preparing and sharing the detailed documentation.
>>>
>>> AFRINIC??
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Kevin
>>>
>>> ᐧ
>>> ᐧ
>>>
>>> On Wed, 14 Jul 2021 at 12:09, Paschal Ochang 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Dissolution of Appeal Committees while appeals are still on board
>>>> without justification, non transparent reclamation of resources from
>>>> members without proper justification using drastic measures, installation
>>>> of new cochairs without conforming to laid down procedures. The list goes
>>>> on and on. Worrying times.
>>>>
>>>> On Wednesday, July 14, 2021, tech  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> This letter is a follow-up to the unfortunate incident arising from
>>>>> the actions taken by AFRINIC (African Network Information Centre),
>>>>> including terminating our (Cloud Innovation Ltd) membership and reclaiming
>>>>> our number resources which we consider to have been totally unnecessary,
>>>>> unreasonable, and unjust. The action has not caused only serious damage to
>>>>> Cloud Innovation and hundreds of its clients' businesses, but also to
>>>>> hundreds of millions of end-users who were potentially endangered at the
>>>>> same time.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> We are pleased to announce that  urgent interim relief has been
>>>>> granted to Cloud Innovation by the Honourable Judge in Chambers of  the
>>>>> Supreme Court of Mauritius( herewith attached) to prevent AFRINIC from
>>>>> reclaiming our number resources in such illegal manner.  As a result
>>>>> of which,  Cloud Innovation will now be in a position to resume
>>>>> business as normal until the issues are resolved before the competent
>>>>> courts..
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> For the sake of clarity and transparency, we would share with you as
>>>>> set out below the background which led to the current state of affairs:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -AFRINIC  issued a letter to Cloud Innovation on June 23, 2020,
>>>>> accusing Cloud Innovation of policy violations. AFRINIC threatened to take
>>>>> actions and demanded an immediate response within 14 days. Despite the
>>>>> short notice, Cloud Innovation investigated AFRINIC's accusations
>>>>> carefully. Cloud Innovation did not find any 

Re: [Community-Discuss] Supreme Court Order in Relation to Cloud Innovation v AFRINIC

[DANIEL NANGHAKA]

Hi Mimi,

You make a good point. I would gladly appreciate if CI can produce the
tickets of the affected users or the massive end-users whom you claim.
AFRINIC does not abuse but follows the process through consensus.

Secondly, these end-users who are affected can lodge complaints directly to
their respective RIR (Which is AFRINIC) in this case. Then the viability of
the address allocation will then be delt with respectively by the AFRINIC
Technical team.

There is nothing shocking here as the trust for AFRINIC continues to be
strong based on the reasons for its formation. These include Internet
Development and resource allocation for the Africa region. So the affected
customers can then be served directly by AFRINIC.

Daniel


ᐧ

On Wed, 14 Jul 2021 at 13:32, Mimi dy  wrote:

> Hello all,
>
> Based on the undoubtful evidence provided by CI, it became clear that
> AFRINIC's power abuse is off the charts. I have never thought that an RIR
> could ever jeopardize the internet infrastructure and threatens the normal
> functioning of networks, putting a massive number of end-users in a
> critical situation. I thought that the very vocation of an RIR is to ensure
> smooth internet connectivity and develop that particular ecosystem,
> however, all I see now is a total abandonment of the RIRs core values and a
> complete disregard to various internet stakeholders.
>
> I must say, that is quite shocking. It literally shakes the trust between
> the community and AFRINIC. In fact, the whole community now awaits
> AFRINIC's explanation, which hopefully, will be backed by adequate evidence.
>
> Best,
>
> Le mer. 14 juil. 2021 à 10:18, Kevin Kamonye  a
> écrit :
>
>> Worrying times indeed.
>>
>> Thank you for preparing and sharing the detailed documentation.
>>
>> AFRINIC??
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Kevin
>>
>> ᐧ
>> ᐧ
>>
>> On Wed, 14 Jul 2021 at 12:09, Paschal Ochang  wrote:
>>
>>> Dissolution of Appeal Committees while appeals are still on board
>>> without justification, non transparent reclamation of resources from
>>> members without proper justification using drastic measures, installation
>>> of new cochairs without conforming to laid down procedures. The list goes
>>> on and on. Worrying times.
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, July 14, 2021, tech  wrote:
>>>
 This letter is a follow-up to the unfortunate incident arising from the
 actions taken by AFRINIC (African Network Information Centre), including
 terminating our (Cloud Innovation Ltd) membership and reclaiming our number
 resources which we consider to have been totally unnecessary, unreasonable,
 and unjust. The action has not caused only serious damage to Cloud
 Innovation and hundreds of its clients' businesses, but also to hundreds of
 millions of end-users who were potentially endangered at the same time.



 We are pleased to announce that  urgent interim relief has been
 granted to Cloud Innovation by the Honourable Judge in Chambers of  the
 Supreme Court of Mauritius( herewith attached) to prevent AFRINIC from
 reclaiming our number resources in such illegal manner.  As a result
 of which,  Cloud Innovation will now be in a position to resume
 business as normal until the issues are resolved before the competent
 courts..



 For the sake of clarity and transparency, we would share with you as
 set out below the background which led to the current state of affairs:



 -AFRINIC  issued a letter to Cloud Innovation on June 23, 2020,
 accusing Cloud Innovation of policy violations. AFRINIC threatened to take
 actions and demanded an immediate response within 14 days. Despite the
 short notice, Cloud Innovation investigated AFRINIC's accusations
 carefully. Cloud Innovation did not find any policy violations of its own
 but only AFRINIC's own misinterpretation of its policy document and errors
 in understanding the nature of BGP. Cloud Innovation duly issued a response
 on 13 July 2020, within the deadline set by AFRINIC to explain the
 misunderstanding of AFRINIC’s own documents and erroneous assertions
 regarding routing.



 - After eight months, AFRINIC issued a letter on 10 March 2021 (
 being the first day Mauritius went into a second national lockdown due to
 COVID-19)  to Cloud Innovation, raising similar alleged breaches as
 those alleged in June 2020 but with  the following warning note::



 *To address the aforementioned issues, Cloud Innovation Ltd is hereby
 most formally required to promptly and accurately submit its “change
 request” in compliance with Clauses 4(a) and 2(d) of the RSA, as well as
 ensure full compliance with AFRINIC. The “change request” must*

 *include:*

 *I. Detailed utilisation information for all the aforementioned IPv4
 prefixes including the services for which the resources are being used and
 

Re: [Community-Discuss] [rpd] ARIN without Owen Delong ?

[DANIEL NANGHAKA]

Dear Marcus,

I strongly agree, that there are policy updates from the other RIRs, what
is catching my interest at the moment is that Owen has been one of the very
active participants on PDP and I believe AFRINIC has a high level of
freedom of expression.
When he gives a reason that he wants to have greater freedom and
flexibility to advocate for changes in the internet community, some of
which would be considered a conflict of interest with his role as an
Advisory Council member. I begin to realise that Owen could have been
having a high conflict of interest which conflicted with his position on
the AC.

Dear Owen,
Owen, kindly advise how we could deal with the Conflict of Interest in the
PDP as you state it clearly in your reason. Furthermore, I still have
question marks as to why the AFRINIC PDP is of high interest to you - yet
the Policies discussed are for the development of the Internet in Africa.
Is something wrong with the AFRINIC PDP that stimulates high interest for
your participation in AFRINIC Process that the Africa participants have
failed to solve which requires your expertise?

Is ARIN more superior than AFRINIC?

Thanks
Daniel


ᐧ

On Wed, 14 Jul 2021 at 13:26, Marcus K. G. Adomey 
wrote:

> Dear Owen and PDWG,
>
> I don’t think this is an off-topic. There are reasons why we always have
> session on “policy update from other RIRs” at every PPM…it’s like we care
> for what happened at ARIN  PDP through its AC and  possible impact on our
> PDP and related issues
>
> In response  to the statement below, one would like to know why  is Owen
> talking  about “  was not forced to resign”?  Nobody said so AFAIK, how
> come the position at ARIN constitute restraint to speech and why only now?
>
> And question for this community is how  do we deal with conflict of
> interest in our PDP?
>
> Thanks
>
>
>
> Marcus
>
>
> --
> *From:* Owen DeLong via Community-Discuss 
> *Sent:* Tuesday, July 13, 2021 5:03:19 PM
> *To:* Arnaud AMELINA 
> *Cc:* General Discussions of AFRINIC ;
> AfriNIC Resource Policy Discussion List 
> *Subject:* Re: [Community-Discuss] [rpd] ARIN without Owen Delong ?
>
> Apologies to the list for this off-topic posting, but given the
> unwarranted attention already paid to the
> matter and the escalating level of speculation, I beg your indulgence.
> This will (hopefully) be the
> only post I make on the matter here.
>
> For clarity:
>
> 1. I chose to resign my position on the ARIN AC. I was not forced to
> resign. I did not have to resign.
> So your speculation is neither accurate, nor appropriate and the
> implications are offensive.
>
> 2. I chose to resign in order to have greater freedom and flexibility to
> advocate for changes in the
> internet community, some of which would be considered a conflict of
> interest with my role as
> an Advisory Council member. While I have been outspoken by most standards,
> the reality is
> that my position on the AC did serve as a significant restraint to my
> speech in many cases.
> The time has come where I felt the need to remove that restraint in order
> to best serve the
> community.
>
> Reading anything other than the above into it would be a mistake and
> further speculation is very
> unlikely to produce any accurate conclusions.
>
> If anyone has questions about my resignation, they are free to ask me
> directly, but this really is
> not an appropriate topic for this list.
>
> Owen
>
>
> On Jul 13, 2021, at 05:56 , Arnaud AMELINA  wrote:
>
> @Taiwo
>
> We all would like to know why Owen, so active in our PDP, has to resign
> from his position at ARIN AC  which serves in an advisory capacity to the
> Board of Trustees on Internet number resource policy and related matters.
>
> --
> Arnaud
>
> Le lun. 12 juil. 2021 à 12:37, Taiwo Oye  a
> écrit :
>
> Benjilo.
> How is this of concern to you or to any of the members of the afrinic
> community. Kindly direct your question to the appropriate quarters -
> o...@delong.com -
>
>
> On Jul 11, 2021, at 19:27, Paschal Ochang  wrote:
>
> Great question Daniel.
>
> On Sunday, July 11, 2021, DANIEL NANGHAKA  wrote:
>
> Is this worth discussing on the rpd or mailing lists?
>
> On Sun, Jul 11, 2021, 8:36 PM Marcus K. G. Adomey 
> wrote:
>
> Hello
>
> Out of curiosity, does anyone know  why Owen Delong active in AFRINIC PDP
> resigned from ARIN AC?
>
> https://www.arin.net/about/welcome/ac/meetings/2021_0617/ point 10
>
>
>
> Marcus
>
>
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>
>
>
> --
>

Re: [Community-Discuss] Supreme Court Order in Relation to Cloud Innovation v AFRINIC

[DANIEL NANGHAKA]

I would like to appreciate the level of transparency that is being put
forward here by Cloud Innovation.
The fact that they Cloud Innovation is sharing information and also the
excel sheets as has been attached.

You claim that million of users have been affected during the process.

Could you kindly share the tickets of the affected users as you have shared
the respective information?

I feel there could be some information that is not being shared here. Where
are the hundreds of millions of users of number resources registered to
Cloud Innovation located?

Regards
Daniel
ᐧ

On Wed, 14 Jul 2021 at 12:18, Kevin Kamonye  wrote:

> Worrying times indeed.
>
> Thank you for preparing and sharing the detailed documentation.
>
> AFRINIC??
>
> Regards,
>
> Kevin
>
> ᐧ
> ᐧ
>
> On Wed, 14 Jul 2021 at 12:09, Paschal Ochang  wrote:
>
>> Dissolution of Appeal Committees while appeals are still on board without
>> justification, non transparent reclamation of resources from members
>> without proper justification using drastic measures, installation of new
>> cochairs without conforming to laid down procedures. The list goes on and
>> on. Worrying times.
>>
>> On Wednesday, July 14, 2021, tech  wrote:
>>
>>> This letter is a follow-up to the unfortunate incident arising from the
>>> actions taken by AFRINIC (African Network Information Centre), including
>>> terminating our (Cloud Innovation Ltd) membership and reclaiming our number
>>> resources which we consider to have been totally unnecessary, unreasonable,
>>> and unjust. The action has not caused only serious damage to Cloud
>>> Innovation and hundreds of its clients' businesses, but also to hundreds of
>>> millions of end-users who were potentially endangered at the same time.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> We are pleased to announce that  urgent interim relief has been granted
>>> to Cloud Innovation by the Honourable Judge in Chambers of  the Supreme
>>> Court of Mauritius( herewith attached) to prevent AFRINIC from reclaiming
>>> our number resources in such illegal manner.  As a result of which,  Cloud
>>> Innovation will now be in a position to resume business as normal until the
>>> issues are resolved before the competent courts..
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> For the sake of clarity and transparency, we would share with you as set
>>> out below the background which led to the current state of affairs:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -AFRINIC  issued a letter to Cloud Innovation on June 23, 2020,
>>> accusing Cloud Innovation of policy violations. AFRINIC threatened to take
>>> actions and demanded an immediate response within 14 days. Despite the
>>> short notice, Cloud Innovation investigated AFRINIC's accusations
>>> carefully. Cloud Innovation did not find any policy violations of its own
>>> but only AFRINIC's own misinterpretation of its policy document and errors
>>> in understanding the nature of BGP. Cloud Innovation duly issued a response
>>> on 13 July 2020, within the deadline set by AFRINIC to explain the
>>> misunderstanding of AFRINIC’s own documents and erroneous assertions
>>> regarding routing.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> - After eight months, AFRINIC issued a letter on 10 March 2021 (
>>> being the first day Mauritius went into a second national lockdown due to
>>> COVID-19)  to Cloud Innovation, raising similar alleged breaches as
>>> those alleged in June 2020 but with  the following warning note::
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *To address the aforementioned issues, Cloud Innovation Ltd is hereby
>>> most formally required to promptly and accurately submit its “change
>>> request” in compliance with Clauses 4(a) and 2(d) of the RSA, as well as
>>> ensure full compliance with AFRINIC. The “change request” must*
>>>
>>> *include:*
>>>
>>> *I. Detailed utilisation information for all the aforementioned IPv4
>>> prefixes including the services for which the resources are being used and
>>> country of service origin.*
>>>
>>> *II. Planned utilisation of your remaining IPv4 space for the next 8
>>> months*
>>>
>>> *III.Your “change request”, if any, should reach AFRINIC by 12-04-2021,
>>> by the close of business.*
>>>
>>> *AFRINIC shall consider the merits of your request, if any, and will in
>>> its sole discretion determine whether to terminate the RSA as well as to
>>> proceed with the reclaiming of the IPv4 Number Resources allocated to Cloud
>>> Innovation Ltd. You are further informed that AFRINIC shall not be held
>>> liable for any loss or damage of whatever nature arising out of the present
>>> notice or any action that AFRINIC may take in accordance thereof. Your
>>> “change request”, if any, should reach AFRINIC by 12-04-2021, by the close
>>> of business.AFRINIC shall consider the merits of your request, if any, and
>>> will in its sole discretion determine whether to terminate the RSA as well
>>> as to proceed with the reclaiming of the IPv4 Number Resources allocated to
>>> Cloud Innovation Ltd. You are further informed that AFRINIC shall not be
>>> held liable for any loss or damage of 

Re: [Community-Discuss] Why does AFRINIC continue to violate the court order?

[DANIEL NANGHAKA]

Someone, please help - What is the meaning of this?

[image: image.png]
ᐧ

On Wed, 14 Jul 2021 at 11:36, Owen DeLong via Community-Discuss <
community-discuss@afrinic.net> wrote:

> Could AFRINIC please comply with the court order to reinstate Cloud
> Innovation?
>
> It’s one thing when you can’t follow your own rules, but you’re now
> violating the law and
> working hard towards a contempt citation. It didn’t take long to screw up
> our whois entries,
> it shouldn’t take long to put them back.
>
> As of 12:26 PM Mauritius time, Wed. July 14, 2021:
>
> whois -h whois.afrinic.net 154.88.0.0
>2021/07/14 1:25:44
> % This is the AfriNIC Whois server.
> % The AFRINIC whois database is subject to  the following terms of Use.
> See https://afrinic.net/whois/terms
>
> % Note: this output has been filtered.
> %   To receive output for a database update, use the "-B" flag.
>
> % Information related to '154.88.0.0 - 154.88.0.255'
>
> % No abuse contact registered for 154.88.0.0 - 154.88.0.255
>
> inetnum:154.88.0.0 - 154.88.0.255
> netname:CloudInnovation
> descr:  CloudInnovation infrastructure
> country:US
> admin-c:APC1-AFRINIC
> tech-c: APC1-AFRINIC
> status: ASSIGNED PA
> remarks:REMARK
> remarks:As a consequence of the termination of the Registration
> Service
> remarks:Agreement with Cloud Innovation Ltd, this IP prefix has
> been revoked
> remarks:from this Resource Member and it only exists as a
> placeholder record on
> remarks:WHOIS as from 8th July 2021 and will be deleted after 7th
> October 2021.
> remarks:Kindly note that no further changes are possible for this
> remarks:prefix(frozen/locked). Users of this prefix and its
> corresponding route
> remarks:objects and reverse DNS objects are advised to consider
> other available
> remarks:options before the said date. This grace period of 90 days
> is a
> remarks:demonstration of good faith of AFRINIC as a Regional
> Internet Registry
> remarks:to prevent sudden disruption to the Internet connectivity
> of the
> remarks:relevant users.
> remarks:REMARK
> mnt-by: AFRINIC-HM-MNT
> mnt-routes: AFRINIC-HM-MNT
> source: AFRINIC # Filtered
> parent: 154.80.0.0 - 154.95.255.255
>
> person: AFRINIC Placeholder Contact
> address:11th Floor, Standard Chartered Tower, 19, Cybercity,
> Ebène, Mauritius
> phone:  tel:+230-403-5100
> nic-hdl:APC1-AFRINIC
> mnt-by: AFRINIC-DB-MNT
> source: AFRINIC # Filtered
>
> Please correct this with all due haste before further enforcement action
> is required.
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Owen
>
>
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Re: [Community-Discuss] ARIN without Owen Delong ?

[DANIEL NANGHAKA]

Is this worth discussing on the rpd or mailing lists?

On Sun, Jul 11, 2021, 8:36 PM Marcus K. G. Adomey 
wrote:

> Hello
>
> Out of curiosity, does anyone know  why Owen Delong active in AFRINIC PDP
> resigned from ARIN AC?
>
> https://www.arin.net/about/welcome/ac/meetings/2021_0617/ point 10
>
>
>
> Marcus
>
>
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Re: [Community-Discuss] Notice of imminent reclamation of number

[DANIEL NANGHAKA]

The details are in the RIR history.
AFRINIC was created to manage African resources. If resources are meant for
the development of the internet in the Africa then why would you want to
rob the region of its organic growth?

So for those who are not sure, I suggest they should go back and do some
research and understand the creation of RIR.

Regards
Daniel KN


On Sat, Jul 10, 2021, 10:49 PM Ronald F. Guilmette 
wrote:

> In message  8aajujwxjtjadpkvcb7e3sqm9g...@mail.gmail.com>
> Brian Sowers  wrote:
>
> >My understanding is that each
> >RIR is merely a bookkeeper on IP spaces--not an IP utilization board.
>
> This is a serious historical misunderstanding.
>
> You should familiarize yoursef with the full history of the RIRs, and
> indeed, of IP allocation policies generally, dating back to a time even
> before the emergence of the RIR system.
>
>
> Regards,
> rfg
>
>
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Re: [Community-Discuss] Notice of imminent reclamation of number resources

[DANIEL NANGHAKA]

Dear Paul,

I don't think who voted is of importance to the community. We need to
protect the privacy of the board members.

The information you are requesting for infringes on privacy rights of the
board.

Otherwise, thanks for your concern.

Daniel Nanghaka

On Fri, Jul 9, 2021, 9:49 AM Paul Wollner 
wrote:

> To whom it may concern,
>
> I believe the community would be most interested to see the notice,
> attendance, and voting
> record of the recent board meeting where Cloud Innovation’s membership was
> summarily
> terminated without notice and without opportunity to respond or appear in
> their own defense.
>
> I think the community would be most interested to know:
>
> 1.Which board members agreed to the meeting on short notice?
> 2.Which board members voted in favor of the motion and which against?
> 3.Who tabled and who seconded the motion?
> 4.What was the nature and extent of deliberations?
> 5.Why the urgency to act so swiftly after the judge set aside the
> order?
> 6.When was the meeting noticed?
> 7.When did the meeting take place?
> 8.How/where did the meeting take place?
>
> Regards,
> Paul Wollner
>
>
>
>
>
>
>  On Thu, 08 Jul 2021 23:14:18 +0200 Eddy Kayihura
> wrote 
>
> Dear Colleagues,
>
> AFRINIC hereby informs all those concerned that it has initiated actions
> for the reclamation of Internet number resources from Cloud Innovation Ltd.
>
> On 07 July 2021, the Supreme Court of Mauritius delivered a judgement
> whereby the application for injunction lodged by Cloud Innovation Ltd has
> been set aside.
>
> Consequently, on 08 July 2021, AFRINIC’s Board of Directors, whilst acting
> reasonably and in good faith, more so, in light of the judgment of the
> Supreme Court of Mauritius, found that Cloud Innovation Ltd failed to
> honour its obligations under the Registration Service Agreement and has
> thus decided to terminate the membership of Cloud Innovation Ltd as well
> as reclaim its number resources in the following manner:
>
>- The resources previously allocated to Cloud Innovation Ltd will be
>‘frozen’ on the AFRINIC WHOIS database with Cloud Innovation Ltd no longer
>having access to the same.
>
>-
>
> In order not to disrupt Internet connectivity of the relevant users
>especially in the current context of the COVID-19 pandemic, all affected
>users will exceptionally be granted a grace period of 90 days to consider
>other available options in their best interests. Consequently, the actual
>reclamation of the relevant number resources will occur following the
>expiry of the grace period.
>
>
> Eddy Kayihura
> Chief Executive Officer,
> African Network Information Centre (AFRINIC)
> c...@afrinic.net
>
> …..
>
> Chers collègues,
>
> AFRINIC informe toutes les personnes concernées qu'elle a entamé des
> actions de réclamation des ressources de numéros Internet auprès de Cloud
> Innovation Ltd.
>
> Le 07 juillet 2021, la Cour Suprême de Maurice a rendu un jugement par
> lequel la demande d'injonction déposée par Cloud Innovation Ltd a été
> rejetée.
>
> En conséquence, le 08 juillet 2021, le Conseil d'administration d'AFRINIC,
> tout en agissant raisonnablement et de bonne foi, et plus encore, à la
> lumière du jugement de la Cour Suprême de Maurice, a constaté que Cloud
> Innovation Ltd n'a pas honoré ses obligations en vertu du Contrat de
> Service d'Enregistrement et a donc décidé de résilier l'adhésion de Cloud
> Innovation Ltd ainsi que de réclamer ses ressources de numéros Internet de
> la manière suivante :
>
>- Les ressources précédemment attribuées à Cloud Innovation Ltd seront
>"gelées" dans la base de données WHOIS d'AFRINIC et Cloud Innovation Ltd
>n'y aura plus accès.
>-
>
>Afin de ne pas interrompre la connectivité Internet des utilisateurs
>concernés, notamment dans le contexte actuel de la pandémie de COVID-19,
>tous les utilisateurs concernés bénéficieront exceptionnellement d'une
>période de grâce de 90 jours pour envisager d'autres options disponibles
>dans leur intérêt. Par conséquent, la réclamation effective des ressources
>numériques concernées aura lieu après l'expiration de la période de grâce.
>
>
> Eddy Kayihura
> Chief Executive Officer,
> African Network Information Centre (AFRINIC)
> c...@afrinic.net
>
> …….
>
> زملائي الأعزاء،
>
> تُبلغ AFRINIC بموجب هذا جميع الأطراف المعنية بأنها قد بدأت إجراءات
> لاسترداد موارد أرقام الإنترنت من Cloud Innovation Ltd.
>
> في 07 يوليو 2021 ، أصدرت المحكمة العليا لموريشيوس حكماً تم بموجبه إلغاء
> طلب الإنذار المقدم

Re: [Community-Discuss] Postponement of AGMM

[DANIEL NANGHAKA]

I am in support of keeping the applications open till the confirmed dates
ᐧ

On Wed, 25 Mar 2020 at 16:20, AMADU YUSIF  wrote:

> I also think is a ideal to consider Noah's proposal to keep the
> application open until the final date of the meeting will be decided.
>
> Thank you
>
> Yusif Amadu
> eLearning Unit
> University of Ghana Computing Systems
> University of Ghana
> Cell: +233244659245
> Skype:  kooissi
>
> --
> *From:* Noah 
> *Sent:* Wednesday, March 25, 2020 7:07 AM
> *To:* AFRINIC Communication 
> *Cc:* General Discussions of AFRINIC 
> *Subject:* Re: [Community-Discuss] Postponement of AGMM
>
> Dear Chairman,
>
> Thank you for this wise decision for the best interest of the members and
> the wider African internet community at large.
>
> In light of this development and as per the communication from NOMCOM
> Chair [1], the nomination period is supposed to be closed on 4 April 2020.
>
> Now, following the postponement of the AGMM what is the status of the
> deadline. One could suggest that the best course of action could be to keep
> the application open until the final date of the meeting will be decided.
>
> Considering the levels of anxiety the current pandemic is causing coupled
> the impact in terms of communication across Africa with various countries
> going into lockdown. Honestly speaking we are more focused on our safety at
> this moment and most African countries are lockdown with limited access to
> Internet for some folks.
>
> Best regards
> Noah
>
> [1]
> https://lists.afrinic.net/pipermail/community-discuss/2020-March/003498.html
>
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 25, 2020 at 10:31 AM AFRINIC Communication 
> wrote:
>
> Dear Members,
>
> Following the worldwide outbreak and impact of COVID-19 (Coronavirus)
> pandemic on public health and safety, we have given serious consideration
> to the maintenance of the AFRINIC Annual General Members’ Meeting (AGMM)
> that was supposed to be held during the Annual Internet Summit 2020 in
> Kinshasa on June 11, 2020.
>
> We have assessed the risk involved as regards the movement of staff and
> attendees bearing in mind the lockdown being implemented in several
> countries, including those on the continent.
>
> A first consequence of the above has been the postponement of all the
> activities of the Africa Internet Summit 2020  (AIS’20).
>
> Noting the above the AFRINIC Board of Directors held a special Board
> meeting on Friday 20 March 2020 and examined
>
> (i) the feasibility of holding the June 2020 via “audio, or audio and
> visual communication” on the original date as scheduled;
> (ii) the need to postpone the Annual General Members’ Meeting (AGMM) which
> is usually held during AIS’20.
>
> The AFRINIC legal team has advised that in terms of
>
> (a) the provisions of Paragraph 3(a) (ii) of Schedule 5 of the Companies
> Act, had to be fully complied with in the event that an on line AGMM was to
> be resorted to.
> (b) Section 115 of the Companies Act AFRINIC has the option of holding the
> AGMM either before 30 June 2020- its financial year ended on 31 December
> 2019 – or within a delay of 15 months after the previous AGMM, not later
> than 19 September 2020.
>
> Thus, it was decided that the AGMM be postponed to September 2020 at a
> date yet to be decided in the event that no fully and legally compliant
> technical option is available for holding the June 2020 AGMM online.
>
> The Board will communicate in due course the date and mode of holding of
> the AGMM.
>
> Thank you in advance for your understanding and cooperation.
>
> Sincerely,
>
>
> Dr. Christian D. Bope
> Chairman, AFRINIC Board of Directors
>
> …
>
> [Français]
>
> Chers membres,
>
> Suite à l'épidémie mondiale et à l'impact de la pandémie de COVID-19
> (Coronavirus) sur la santé et la sécurité publiques, nous avons
> sérieusement envisagé le maintien de l'Assemblée générale annuelle des
> membres de l'AFRINIC (AGMM) qui devait se tenir lors du Sommet Africain de
> l'Internet 2020 à Kinshasa le 11 juin 2020.
>
> Nous avons évalué le risque lié au déplacement du personnel et des
> participants en tenant compte du confinement en vigueur dans plusieurs
> pays, y compris sur le continent.
>
> Une première conclusion de ce qui précède a été le report de toutes les
> activités du Sommet Africain de l'Internet 2020 (AIS'20).
>
> Suite à ce déroulement, le conseil d’administration de l'AFRINIC a tenu
> une réunion spéciale le vendredi 20 mars 2020 afin d'examiner:
>
> (i) la faisabilité de la tenue de la conférence en juin 2020 par
> communication audio, ou audio et visuelle à la date prévue initialement;
> (ii) la nécessité de reporter l'assemblée générale annuelle des membres
> (AGMM) qui se tient habituellement pendant l'AIS’20.
>
> L'équipe juridique d'AFRINIC a indiqué qu'en termes:
>
> (a) des dispositions du paragraphe 3(a)(ii) de l'annexe 5 de la loi sur
> les sociétés (Companies Act) devaient être pleinement respectées dans le
> cas 

Re: [Community-Discuss] Fwd: [AfrICANN-discuss] Report of the AFRINIC Open Mic Session on June 20

[DANIEL NANGHAKA]

Dear All,

I have read the report and acknowledge that this is a great report and
provides appropriate action points to be considered.

Kind Regards
Daniel K. Nanghaka
ᐧ

On Wed, 24 Jul 2019 at 10:42, Sami Salih  wrote:

> Thank you Internet Society’s Africa, and Thank you Dawit and Michuki,
> This is what we expected from ISOC and from you as real Africans who
> really cares about the stability of this continent.
>
> Few points I would like to highlight as follows:
>
> 1) The Board can never viewed as part of any problem (I prefer use issues
> instead) if and only if we (I will always use WE as we are one community)
> increase the level of transparency. However, increasing transparency DID
> NOT mean to disclose everything. While I personally support disclosing the
> methodologies use to take decisions, I believe this is to be evaluated by
> the board its self to decide on the information to be share with members,
> community, etc. Overall, the board needed to build a trusted relationship
> with the community.
>
> 2) Engagement is always good thing, semi-annual meeting with one of them
> organized with AFNOG and accommodate Af* is what we practices for a while.
> Is this enough or not is not easy to judge by simply take individual views
> in such session. We need to consider that over-engagement will negatively
> affect the organization not only in term of financial cost but also the
> cost of the stability of running the organization, as we need to give
> board, staff etc a peaceful environment to act and innovate. Substantially,
> engagement is a two way process, let us see how we can encourage the other
> parts (than AFRINIC) to initiate engagement initiatives.  ;-)
>
> 3) Enforce the CC is an urgent requirement not only the personal attack
> but other hostile activities against the organization and its stability.
> This is not an easy task, I experienced this during my long term as PDWG
> Co-, with the population of the community and the diversity of individual
> and the groups while taking into consideration the number of contributions
> especially before and after the meeting, its really difficult to moderate
> the list in a way that satisfying the community and reflect a better image
> of the glob. We need to tolerate some and stickily avoid/mitigate/prevent
> or even ban unacceptable locution. This is again a big dilemma as
> continuous monitoring and instant judgement not an easy task to be
> achieved. The better way in my perspective is to count on the community
> maturity to tolerate and ignore bad things posted in an angry moment.
> In this regard, I propose to have a dedicated group or sub-group may be
> under Governance Committee to enforce CC in the mailing list and during the
> meeting and other sessions.
>
> 4) The  legal interpretations and other bylaw issues can't be discussed in
> such details during open mic, only specialists in a small dedicated group
> can provide useful contributions and suggested the way-forward. As you can
> notice different views and different wishes are expressed at the end only
> specialist can enlightening and guide the community to respect the local
> laws and maintain the spirit of the bottom-up system for RIRs.
>
> 5) In page (3) please remove/rephrase this sentence "  vote on policy
> proposals. ..." cos its not accurate.
>
> 6) I would also propose that the Nomination and Election processes to be
> conducted by the governance committee, or at least they need to set a clear
> rule and procedure for those sensitive activities.
>
> Once again I would like to thank Dawit and Michuki for this detailed
> report and their observations and proposals.
>
> Regards,
>
>
> *Sami H.O. Salih, PhD., PMP*®
> Assistant Prof, School of Electronics Engineering,
> Sudan University of Science and Technology,
> sami.sa...@sustech.edu
> --
> *From:* Mark Tinka 
> *Sent:* Wednesday, July 24, 2019 12:51 AM
> *To:* community-discuss@afrinic.net 
> *Subject:* Re: [Community-Discuss] Fwd: [AfrICANN-discuss] Report of the
> AFRINIC Open Mic Session on June 20
>
> Good work, Mich and team!
>
> Mark.
>
> On 23/Jul/19 22:30, Noah wrote:
>
> Dear Dawit and Michuki
>
> Thanks you so much for this report and having read through it, I find it
> very accurate as it covers the accounts of the said deliberations. We hope
> all stakeholders will consider the content of the report and act upon it.
>
> Looking forward to more engagement and collaboration.
>
> Cheers
> Noah
>
> -- Forwarded message -
> From: *Dawit Bekele* 
> Date: Tue, Jul 23, 2019 at 12:40 PM
> Subject: [AfrICANN-discuss] Report of the AFRINIC Open Mic Session on June
> 20
> To: AfrICANN Community List 
>
>
> Hi all,
>
> As you might remember, AFRINIC board asked Michuki and I to moderate the
> open mic discussion after the board meeting on June 20. We accepted the
> request and moderated the meeting as best as we could. With some delay, we
> have prepared a report of the meeting 

Re: [Community-Discuss] AFRINIC Transfer Log format

[DANIEL NANGHAKA]

Hi Raymond,
This is interesting, it has to go through a policy proposal. Policy
proposal are discussed at AFRINIC meetings.

After discussion then it is passed for implementation.

Daniel K. Nanghaka

On Saturday, July 20, 2019, raymond  wrote:

> Hi,
> Would it be possible for AFRINIC to adopt the transfer log format used by
> APNIC?
> If so, who do I need to contact to make this happen? If not, can the
> fields in the JSON
> format be documented for reference?
>
> APNIC has a well documented policy[1] on the  CSV logs they produce daily
> at [2]
>
> [1] https://www.apnic.net/about-apnic/corporate-
> documents/documents/policy-development/transfer-log-format/
> [2] https://ftp.apnic.net/transfers/apnic/
> 
>
> APNICs format  stands out as it is easy to parse the data
> compared to the various JSON formats used by other registries(including
> AFRINICs)
>
> RIPENCC https://ftp.ripe.net/pub/stats/ripencc/transfers/  JSON
> ARIN https://ftp.arin.net/pub/stats/arin/transfers/ JSON
> LACNIC https://ftp.lacnic.net/pub/stats/lacnic/transfers/ JSON
> AFRINIC http://ftp.afrinic.net/stats/afrinic/transfers/ JSON
>
>
> /re
>
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Re: [Community-Discuss] Larus foundation fellowship

[DANIEL NANGHAKA]

Thank Wafa for sharing the resources.

This is a good insight that members should be educated about the AFRINIC
PDP.
And further it is critical that Capacity building is done for the
respective new members to understand or learn about Policy Development
procedures and how the policies are formulated.
More to that - the need to drive consensus in a PDP.

Many do not understand this.

- Daniel K. Nanghaka
ᐧ

On Tue, 2 Jul 2019 at 12:34, wafa DAHMANI  wrote:

> Hi
>
>
>
> It fell under public domain, that those who benefited from Larus
> foundation fellowship to attend the last afrinic meeting in Kampala, were
> given a  confidential  Education package on AFRINIC Number Resources
> Policy proposals detailed in the following link:
>
>
> https://drive.google.com/open?id=1kf7K8JdL-zl5NYjlboltmoXeq2mAJvNg
>
>
> The document lists the proposals to be discussed, Larus Foundation views
> of Pros and Cons on each of them, selective PDWG participants interventions
> on the proposals.
>
>
>
> The education package so proposed intends to condition these participants
> views on the proposals  and their contributions at the PPM and after
>
>
>
> I like to remind us that the PDP is open for any individual willing to
> participate. Views expressed are personal. No need to know who is behind
> each source email address... only opinions expressed in the context of the
> PDP matter. The substance of contribution really matter. Diversity of views
> are encouraged. Lack of disagreement is more important  than of agreement.
> Also PDP is not a matter of volume, repetition or persistence.
>
>
>
>  RFC 7282 section 6 and 7 are clear  on these aspects of  the rough
> consensus  process.
>
>
>
>  Section 6
>
> One hundred people for and five people against might not be rough
> consensus.
>
>
>
> Section 7
>
> Five people for and one hundred people against might still be rough
> consensus
>
>
>
> My African fellows,
>
>
>
> Your desire to participate to AFRINIC policy development Process is
> legitimate and must be encouraged. I hope the last meeting  was useful to
> you and allow you to identify the issues, understand what is going on and
> what Africa needs...  I hope you’ve made your minds and  now able to
> speak on your personal  capacity..
>
>
>
> The real education package  is as below:
>
> =
>
>
>
> Proposal to establish AFRINIC
>
>
> http://web01.jnb.afrinic.net/en/library/policies/archive/ppm-minutes/862-kuala-lumpur-1997
>
>
>
> IANA report  on AFRINIC (Accreditation)
>
> https://www.iana.org/reports/2005/afrinic-report-05aug2005.pdf
>
>
>
> AFRINIC constitution
>
> https://www.afrinic.net/bylaws
>
>
>
> Registration Service  Agreement
>
> https://www.afrinic.net/membership/agreements#rsa
>
>
>
> AFRINIC policy manual
>
> https://afrinic.net/policy/manual
>
>
>
> AFRINIC policies before the adoption of the CPM
>
> https://www.afrinic.net/cpm-pre
>
>
>
> AFRINIC PDP
>
> https://www.afrinic.net/policy
>
>
>
> Rough Consensus
>
> https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc7282
>
>
>
> AFRINIC current policy proposals
>
> https://www.afrinic.net/policy/proposals
>
>
>
> RiRs PDPs
>
> https://www.nro.net/policy/regional/
>
>
>
> RIR comparative  policy overview
>
> https://www.nro.net/policy/regional/rir-comparative-policy-overview/
>
> ==
>
>
>
> Please read and process them, ask questions and find your way.
>
>
>
> Come build African Internet by Africans.
>
>
>
> As for Larus Foundation, your relationship to cloud innovation, afrinic
> member with suspicious activities, holding 6 millions of IPv4 is long
> established and discussed many times on this list. I hope the fellows would
> find these discussions in the archives.
>
>
>
> I call the attention of the board on the  repetitive attempts of this
> resource member to hijack the PDP for its sordid intentions...  the
> provisions of the bylaws and RSA must  carefully be applied to recall
> members to acceptable code of conduct.
>
>
>
> The African Internet community as well as the global Internet community
> must pay close attention and protect the RIRs Policy development process
> and operations.
>
>
>
>
>
> -Wafa
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Re: [Community-Discuss] Fwd: FIRE Africa Awards 2019

[DANIEL NANGHAKA]

Dear Matogoro,

I personally have submitted applications for Fire Awards and never have the
projects I have submitted got any grant. Sometimes I query the selection
whereby they do not even give feedback on what went wrong or why you did
not get the grant.
I advise that don't lean only on Fire awards or grants but try some other
methods of lobbying funding to support your project or even if possible
consider fundraising.
I wish the process was transparent on applications recieved and criteria
used in selection of grantees and also for those that did not get the
grant, feedback is given.
Otherwise, i resorted to alternative means of raising funds.

Daniel
ᐧ

On Fri, 7 Jun 2019 at 19:32, Matogoro Jabera 
wrote:

> Dear Colleagues,
>
> Recently, AfrINIC announced for FIRE Awards for the outstanding project. I
> tried more than five times to submit my project but was not successful.
>
> I tried to contact AFRINIC but received the support which did not answered
> my question. AFRINIC claimed that the upload link was fine while to my side
> did not worked. Finally I gave up and life goes on.
>
> I think something need to be fixed at AFRINIC. Just sharing out my
> frustrations.
>
>
> Regards,
> Matogoro
>
> -- Forwarded message -
> From: Olatunde Awobuluyi 
> Date: Mon, 20 May 2019, 19:09
> Subject: FIRE Africa Awards 2019
> To: 
> Cc: 
>
>
> Dear Jabhera
>
> Thank you for reaching out to us.
>
> Please, be aware that there is a  difference between FIRE Africa Awards
> and FIRE Africa Grants.
>
> FIRE Awards are awards given to ICT related projects that are already
> completed or almost completed.
>
> FIRE Grants are funds given to ICT related projects that are in their
> infancy stage or need financial input to expand the project.
>
> Unfortunately, there will be no calls for FIRE Africa grant proposals in
> 2019.
>
> However, there is an ongoing call for FIRE Africa Awards in 2019. You can
> submit a proposal for a FIRE Africa Award using this link (
> https://fireafrica.org/awards).
>
> The "*submit your awards nomination*"  link will be on the top right pane
> of this webpage (Please view the attached image).
>
> With many thanks,
>
> The FIRE Africa team
> --
>
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> Funds for Internet Research and Education (FIRE) Program Manager, AFRINIC Ltd.
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Re: [Community-Discuss] Gratitude

[DANIEL NANGHAKA]

I think the mandate of AFRINIC has to be visited.
I am for Accountable leadership and transparency. The community deserves
accountability to what is happening. If the documents are for public
domain, then nothing should be hidden.
ᐧ

On Wed, 29 May 2019 at 12:33, Adewole Ajao  wrote:

> My worry in all of this is that these board meeting minutes imply that an
> AFRINIC director (or directors) attempted to remove another director
> because he "violated the NDA" by sharing a public document with the
> community.
>
> I rush to conclude that it was an attempt to remove a director from the
> board because we have removed directors from the board in recent years
> solely on the grounds of NDA violation. With the board NDA still in place,
> chances of getting the full story from any of the parties involved are slim
> to none. I'm not sure that this community (and company) can ever get to a
> point of proper accountability/responsibility if so much is hidden under
> the cover of confidentiality.
>
> Is there a globally acceptable standard of board confidentiality for
> community-driven organizations that are responsible for managing public
> resources? Can we look at improving the confidentiality agreement that is
> used by the AFRINIC board? Although as per section 3.2.2 of its terms of
> reference at https://www.afrinic.net/govcom#tor the Governance Committee
> may not provide advice on specific internal proceedings of the board,
> section 3.1.4 puts the issue of NDA within scope as it can be argued that
> the NDA signing is part of the appointment process since it is the first
> thing a member does on appointment to the board. Failing that, perhaps the
> CEO can refer it under the provisions of section 3.1.7 so that a body
> outside the board can tackle the issue?
>
> In any case, it is best we look for a good way to get rid of this
> us-versus-them that seems to keep recurring between the AFRINIC board and
> the AFRINIC community on whose behalf it is elected to act. Getting rid of
> unnecessary secrecy may be a good way to start.
>
> Regards,
> Dewole.
>
> On Mon, May 27, 2019 at 1:51 PM Sander Steffann 
> wrote:
>
>> Hello,
>>
>> I was just reading the board minutes at
>> https://www.afrinic.net/ast/pdf/2019-minutes/20190305-minutes.pdf and I
>> am surprised at the level of micro-management that CEO Alan Barrett has to
>> deal with. In those minutes both Alan and Seun Ojedeji seem to be
>> reprimanded for being open and transparent to this community. The summary
>> of those minutes show how the board has made it explicitly clear that the
>> CEO is to have no responsibility anymore towards this community.
>>
>> Therefore I would like to explicitly and publicly express my gratitude to
>> both Alan and Seun for their efforts to keep this community involved in
>> Afrinic matters in an open and transparent way. I feel this is a strong
>> requirement for keeping Afrinic respected and supported by both its members
>> and its community.
>>
>> Sincerely,
>> Sander
>>
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>
> On Mon, May 27, 2019 at 1:51 PM Sander Steffann 
> wrote:
>
>> Hello,
>>
>> I was just reading the board minutes at
>> https://www.afrinic.net/ast/pdf/2019-minutes/20190305-minutes.pdf and I
>> am surprised at the level of micro-management that CEO Alan Barrett has to
>> deal with. In those minutes both Alan and Seun Ojedeji seem to be
>> reprimanded for being open and transparent to this community. The summary
>> of those minutes show how the board has made it explicitly clear that the
>> CEO is to have no responsibility anymore towards this community.
>>
>> Therefore I would like to explicitly and publicly express my gratitude to
>> both Alan and Seun for their efforts to keep this community involved in
>> Afrinic matters in an open and transparent way. I feel this is a strong
>> requirement for keeping Afrinic respected and supported by both its members
>> and its community.
>>
>> Sincerely,
>> Sander
>>
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Re: [Community-Discuss] [AFRINIC-Announce] Call for Comments on AFRINIC Board Candidates for Seats 2 and 6 Opens (Arabic version)

[DANIEL NANGHAKA]

Where is the English version?

On Wednesday, January 23, 2019, AFRINIC Communication <
comm-annou...@afrinic.net> wrote:

> دعوة إلى تقديم تعليقات بشأن مرشحي المجلس للمركز الأفريقي لمعلومات الشبكة
> للمقعدين 2 و6 المفتوحين
>
> الزملاء المحترمون،
>
> تحية طيبة وبعد...
> يسعد مجلس المركز الأفريقي لمعلومات الشبكة إعلان فتح الدعوة لتقديم
> التعليقات بشأن قائمة المرشحين للمقعد 2 (الغرب الأفريقي)، والمقعد 6 (الشرق
> الأفريقي) بمجلس المركز الأفريقي لمعلومات الشبكة.
>
> الغرب الأفريقي:
> 1.   د/ لي عثمان
> 2.   هيرفي هونزاندجي
>
> الشرق الأفريقي:
> 1.   روبرت ناكوسي فورد
> 2.   بوليكاب أوتشينج أولوش
>
> وقد نُشرت المعلومات الكاملة للمرشحين على الموقع الإلكتروني:
> https://afrinic.net/board/2019-01-call-for-comments-seats-2-6
>
> ونرجو المجتمع والأعضاء استعراض تفاصيل المرشحين وإبداء تعليقاتهم بشأن
> استمرارية المرشحين لمنصب المجلس باستخدام قسم التعليقات في الرابط أعلاه.
> حيث إن الموعد النهائي لإرسال تعليقاتكم هو 29يناير 2019
>


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Re: [Community-Discuss] [rpd] Sami's status as a co-chair

[DANIEL NANGHAKA]

Why can't a call be made for PDP Co-chairs?

On Thursday, December 6, 2018, Daniel Yakmut via Community-Discuss <
community-discuss@afrinic.net> wrote:

> The ghost of Dakar is hunting us. I was baffled why we turned down a
> person which the process thrust at us. Then agreed  to a short term measure
> which is now strangulating us, since we failed to do the needful.
>
> So, yes we are now faced with the legal conundrum that makes everything we
> did on the Policy Day Meeting at Hammammet null and void.
>
> How did we got here?
>
> --- Daniel
>
>
>
>
> On Dec 6, 2018, at 12:37 PM, Andrew Alston  com> wrote:
>
> Sunday,
>
> I need to set the record straight and ask you to retract a part of what
> you said below.
>
> *for the job no one else wants to do*
>
> This is simply not accurate – there was a candidate – the community chose
> not to accept that candidate – but someone did want the job – and to say
> otherwise is not fair to the person who put their name forward.
>
> Again apologies for the cross posting – but since your email went to both
> lists – this rebuttal must be on both.
>
> Andrew
>
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Re: [Community-Discuss] Call for comments on proposed changes to AFRINIC fees

[DANIEL NANGHAKA]

Dear All,

I have looked at the fees and I suggest that the fees be revised to support
new members.

I am also in agreement that a Lineer fee structure be given.

Kind Regards
Daniel K.
ᐧ

On Wed, 7 Nov 2018 at 10:28, S Moonesamy  wrote:

> Hi Saul,
> At 02:32 AM 25-05-2018, Saul Stein wrote:
> >Sorry, just to add, I think its great to see a more linear pricing
> >structure which will help members grow!
>
> There was a short discussion on this mailing list about linear fees
> structure versus flat fees structure.  I'll suggest a linear fees
> structure given that there is more support for that approach and
> there is a rationale for the approach.
>
> I have not forgotten your comments about the customer service level.
>
> Regards,
> S. Moonesamy
>
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Re: [Community-Discuss] AFRINIC Accountability and Resource Management

[DANIEL NANGHAKA]

 Dear All,

I have been following the thread critically "Cotonou Meeting" In my
personal capacity and from my own understanding, AFRINIC is run by the
community. AFRINIC Members pay a membership. The history of AFRINIC Is just
and requires an accountability.

Let's all put off our ego and visit the history of AFRINIC. During the
AFRINIC meeting in Lagos, I walked to the Microphone and asked about the
historical mandate of AFRINIC and I was shut down by the former chair with
a response that let's not go back to history.

Now the same issue of the history of AFRINIC arises, should we blatantly
elude the reason as to why AFRINIC is created. We all know the processes
and also the justification of accountability.

The Community is liable to receive accountability since the funds come from
paying membership amongst others.

I think the best response, in this case, is, "the Accountability of the
given FY can be found in this report dated here", why can't the minuted
report of accountability be reported and discussed?

The member request comes from a paying member of AFRINIC and has justified
a request based on the fact that the entity he represents "Liquid Telecom"
pays its membership. Despite the fact that we all have personal egos and
hatred for each other both in the struggle to make AFRINIC sustainable and
an awesome organisation, lets not just brush issues brought forth.

I believe the management of AFRINIC is great unless the community comes up
and requests for a review of the Management of AFRINIC.

I believe and trust that Allan is doing a great job as the CEO and directly
reports to the board and also listens to the community, in this manner the
AFRINIC Board also has its challenges which need to be streamlined. is
there a process outlined in the Board being streamlined to follow the laws?
If yes, let the community be updated.

Another issue is staff management and accountability, where did the issue
of Sexual harassment end, was the community satisfied with the update given
by the board? If yes, where is the final report?

I believe we should come up with strategies to clear the various mess in
AFRINIC and come up with clear procedures and processes. If we start to put
our egos first then the organisation second, we stub the organisation.
AFRINIC needs rapid amendment and timelines, if we do not work within
timelines, we catch up with the law since AFRINIC is a legal entity.

Who is liable? The answer lies in the community. Let's not destruct the
mandate of AFRINIC but build a community which enables the development or
Resource Management in the region. We are accountable to ourselves and the
Community needs to be listed too.

Thank you
Daniel K. Nanghaka




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Re: [Community-Discuss] [members-discuss] Faulty result for Western Africa in AfriNIC AGMM Elections

[DANIEL NANGHAKA]

What do you advice Andrew?

Currently there are issues that weren't finalised.
And also note how board has since gone quite on issue of work place
harrasment and IC report.

We don't have update on new board members?

These are things that need to be sorted.



On Fri, Jun 8, 2018, 12:30 PM Andrew Alston 
wrote:

> The answer to that is simple,
>
>
>
> For something to be sorted in a court of law – someone has to take it to
> court.
>
>
>
> Since the people who members of this community claim were disenfranchised
> by the vote have not taken it to court – and since there are many – who
> include the AFRINIC legal council based on his previous statements, who
> believe that the correct actions were taken – how is it going to be sorted
> in a court?
>
>
>
> If someone wishes to approach the Mauritian courts to adjudicate this –
> let them do so – but that requires someone willing to spend the money and
> resources to do that – and right now – I see a lot of people whining – but
> I don’t see anyone willing to dedicate the resources to doing that – and
> for AFRINIC to approach the court – when they have already stated clearly
> how they view the situation – would be equivalent to litigating against
> themselves.  I hardly see that happening
>
>
>
> Andrew
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* DANIEL NANGHAKA [mailto:dndann...@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* 08 June 2018 12:16
> *To:* Marcus K. G. Adomey 
> *Cc:* General Discussions of AFRINIC ;
> AfriNIC Discuss 
> *Subject:* Re: [Community-Discuss] [members-discuss] Faulty result for
> Western Africa in AfriNIC AGMM Elections
>
>
>
> Why can't this issue be sorted in court?
>
> Don't we have a legal counsel?
>
>
>
> On Fri, Jun 8, 2018, 11:36 AM Marcus K. G. Adomey 
> wrote:
>
> Dear CEO and Legal Counsel,
>
>
>
>
>
> I wrote asking for some clarification which should come from your offices.
> Up to now I have not received any response. I would be most grateful if you
> could spare some few minutes from your heavy schedule to do justice to my
> questions?
>
>
>
>
>
> Thanks
>
>
>
>
>
> Marcus
>
>
> --
>
> *From:* Marcus K. G. Adomey 
> *Sent:* Saturday, June 2, 2018 10:32:18 AM
> *To:* m...@posix.co.za; General Discussions of AFRINIC; AfriNIC Discuss;
> Ornella GANKPA
> *Subject:* Re: [Community-Discuss] [members-discuss] Faulty result for
> Western Africa in AfriNIC AGMM Elections
>
>
>
> Hello,
>
> Thanks Ornella and others who has been actively participating in this
> discussion to help clear this issue once for good.
>
> Can someone explains to me why  “none of the above”  votes were not
> counted for  2017 elections  as it  was done for election 2018 ?
>
> https
> <https://www.afrinic.net/fr/news/2139-results-of-afrinic-agmm-election>://
> <https://www.afrinic.net/fr/news/2139-results-of-afrinic-agmm-election>
> www.afrinic.net
> <https://www.afrinic.net/fr/news/2139-results-of-afrinic-agmm-election>
> /fr/news/2139-results-of-afrinic-agmm-election
> <https://www.afrinic.net/fr/news/2139-results-of-afrinic-agmm-election>
> - 2017
>
> https
> <https://www.afrinic.net/fr/news/2391-results-of-afrinic-agmm-elections>
> ://www.afrinic.net/fr/news/2391-results-of-afrinic-agmm-elections
> <https://www.afrinic.net/fr/news/2391-results-of-afrinic-agmm-elections>
> - 2018
>
>
>
> Marcus
>
>
> --
>
> *From:* Ornella GANKPA 
> *Sent:* Friday, June 1, 2018 5:34:13 PM
> *To:* m...@posix.co.za; General Discussions of AFRINIC; AfriNIC Discuss
> *Subject:* Re: [Community-Discuss] [members-discuss] Faulty result for
> Western Africa in AfriNIC AGMM Elections
>
>
>
> Hi Mark
>
> My comments inline
>
>
>
> Le 30/05/2018 à 19:13, Mark Elkins a écrit :
>
>
>
>
>
> On 30/05/2018 19:20, Arnaud AMELINA wrote:
>
> Owen,
>
>
>
> 2018-05-29 22:34 GMT+00:00 Owen DeLong :
>
> Arnaud,
>
>
>
> While I agree that additional clarity is needed and I agree that there is
> some validity to the claim that none of the above MAY not have been a
> legitimate choice to place on the ballot, I think we cannot go changing the
> rules of the election and violating the expectations of the voters,
> membership, and community after the election has run.
>
>
>
> Voters, membership and community are saying: < let's fix it!>>
>
>
> And members are saying "We are happy with the outcome" (I am, anyway). The
> only folk that should be commenting on this are the voting membership.
>
> Why is the former board member and board chair so nervo

Re: [Community-Discuss] [members-discuss] Faulty result for Western Africa in AfriNIC AGMM Elections

[DANIEL NANGHAKA]

Why can't this issue be sorted in court?
Don't we have a legal counsel?

On Fri, Jun 8, 2018, 11:36 AM Marcus K. G. Adomey 
wrote:

> Dear CEO and Legal Counsel,
>
>
> I wrote asking for some clarification which should come from your offices.
> Up to now I have not received any response. I would be most grateful if you
> could spare some few minutes from your heavy schedule to do justice to my
> questions?
>
>
> Thanks
>
>
> Marcus
>
> --
> *From:* Marcus K. G. Adomey 
> *Sent:* Saturday, June 2, 2018 10:32:18 AM
> *To:* m...@posix.co.za; General Discussions of AFRINIC; AfriNIC Discuss;
> Ornella GANKPA
> *Subject:* Re: [Community-Discuss] [members-discuss] Faulty result for
> Western Africa in AfriNIC AGMM Elections
>
> Hello,
>
> Thanks Ornella and others who has been actively participating in this
> discussion to help clear this issue once for good.
>
> Can someone explains to me why  “none of the above”  votes were not
> counted for  2017 elections  as it  was done for election 2018 ?
>
> https
> ://
> 
> www.afrinic.net
> 
> /fr/news/2139-results-of-afrinic-agmm-election
> 
> - 2017
>
> https
> 
> ://www.afrinic.net/fr/news/2391-results-of-afrinic-agmm-elections
> 
> - 2018
>
>
>
>
> Marcus
>
>
>
> --
> *From:* Ornella GANKPA 
> *Sent:* Friday, June 1, 2018 5:34:13 PM
> *To:* m...@posix.co.za; General Discussions of AFRINIC; AfriNIC Discuss
> *Subject:* Re: [Community-Discuss] [members-discuss] Faulty result for
> Western Africa in AfriNIC AGMM Elections
>
>
> Hi Mark
>
> My comments inline
>
> Le 30/05/2018 à 19:13, Mark Elkins a écrit :
>
>
>
> On 30/05/2018 19:20, Arnaud AMELINA wrote:
>
> Owen,
>
> 2018-05-29 22:34 GMT+00:00 Owen DeLong :
>
> Arnaud,
>
> While I agree that additional clarity is needed and I agree that there is
> some validity to the claim that none of the above MAY not have been a
> legitimate choice to place on the ballot, I think we cannot go changing the
> rules of the election and violating the expectations of the voters,
> membership, and community after the election has run.
>
>
> Voters, membership and community are saying: < let's fix it!>>
>
>
> And members are saying "We are happy with the outcome" (I am, anyway). The
> only folk that should be commenting on this are the voting membership.
>
> Why is the former board member and board chair so nervous about the scope
> of this discussion?  This is a matter of concern for the community at
> large. This is not a remake of the elections. Or maybe,  it is time to
> listen to the other 1409 members who did not vote?
>
>
>
>
>
> Nobody raised an objection to the presence of none of the above on the
> ballot for seat 2 prior to or during the election.
>
>
> No one is raising objection even now on  this option being on the ballot
> as the guidelines are clear on that. the issue at hand is the correct
> implementation  of the guidelines as written.
>
>
>
> Since there were more than enough voters who selected none of the above to
> change the result among the remaining two candidates, it is not legitimate
> to simply discard the none of the above votes and declare one of those
> candidates a winner. Indeed, I would argue that is the worst possible
> choice among all other options.
>
> The other options as I see it are:
>
> 1. Allow the board to treat the seat as vacant and appoint a board member
> until the
> next AGMM.
>
> 2. Treat none of the above as a valid election result (in which case it
> should be
> considered the same for all 3 seats) and preclude the board from appointing
> anyone to the seat(s) until an election can be run.
>
>
> 3. Treat none of the above as a valid election result only for seat 2 and
> preclude
> the board from appointing seat 2 while still allowing them to appoint
> seats 5
> and 6.
>
> As I see it, the best option is option 1. It allows the organization to
> proceed with a full board until the next AGMM where a hopefully more
> effective election can be accomplished.
>
> I think option 2 is bad because it leaves the board precariously
> short-handed with only 5 of the expected 8 members, including the CEO. (The
> 3 elected members which remain, whoever is appointed to fill Haitham’s
> vacancy, and the CEO).
>
> The problem I have with option 3 is I have trouble justifying treating the
> election of “none of the above” differently in this circumstance than in
> the case of a single unopposed candidate. In both cases, more voters felt
> that they didn’t want any of the options on the ballot and voted not to
> elect any fo 

Re: [Community-Discuss] Board update on Governance Committee report

[DANIEL NANGHAKA]

Let the report be shared in full detail - that is all
ᐧ

On 7 May 2018 at 13:04, Andrew Alston 
wrote:

> Owen,
>
>
>
> I would even accept a minimally redacted version – so long as the
> redactions can be clearly seen – so we can see not the information that was
> redacted – but the context around the redaction.
>
>
>
> But – what we have at the moment is a report written by the board itself
> that has absolutely no independence whatsoever and no transparency – that –
> is not good enough
>
>
>
> Andrew
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Owen DeLong [mailto:o...@delong.com]
> *Sent:* 07 May 2018 12:56
> *To:* Ali Hussein 
> *Cc:* General Discussions of AFRINIC ;
> KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions 
> *Subject:* Re: [Community-Discuss] Board update on Governance Committee
> report
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On May 7, 2018, at 07:04, Ali Hussein  wrote:
>
> Apologies for cross-posting. Every African I believe needs to know what is
> going on at AFRINIC. For those who are hearing about AFRINIC for the first
> time please follow the link below
>
>
>
> About Afrinic 
>
>
>
> Dear Abibu
>
>
>
> Thank you for your report. This is much appreciated.
>
>
>
> I would like to state the following:-
>
>
>
> 1. That the community was expecting the Board to share the FULL report.
> This is in line with Corporate Governance Ethos and:-
>
>
>
> While I do agree that the board should share a minimally redacted version
> of the report, expecting the full report is unreasonable. It is virtually
> guaranteed that the report contains privileged information and private data
> regarding AfriNIC personnel which it would be inappropriate to disclose
> publicly.
>
>
>
>
>
> a) It will go a long way in ensuring that the community doesn't feel
> (rightly or wrongly) that there is any cover up being perpetrated by the
> board.
>
> b) Protects the board from allegations of impropriety.
>
> c) Will serve to start the process of healing and ensuring that AFRINIC
> continues its very important role in the African Internet Ecosystem without
> the cloud that is currently hanging over it.
>
>
>
> Agreed, and I hope the board will soon release a report with only minimum
> redactions where such redactions are fully visible.
>
>
>
>
>
> 2. To quote you:-
>
>
>
> *​**'**​*
>
> *The Board has also been advised that in considering the report they need
> to be cognizant of issues of confidentiality and data protection*
>
> *​**'**​*
>
>
>
> ​For you to make such a statement the community would like to know which
> by-laws you are quoting from and for it to satisfied that there is going to
> be breaches of confidentiality and data protection if the original report
> is released.
>
>
>
> Seriously? Any report of this nature is likely to contain the following
> categories of such information:
>
>
>
> 1. Personally identifiable information about AfriNIC staff, including
> members not subjects of the investigation.
>
>
>
> 2. Confidential information subject to the board NDA.
>
>
>
> 3. HR sensitive data which cannot be legally disclosed.
>
>
>
>
>
> Finally, this is to my fellow community members :-
>
>
>
> Let us be circumspect​ in how we engage on these emotive issues. Some of
> us seem to be engaging in a 'Scorched Earth Policy' agains the Board. This
> is ill advised. There are better ways of addressing these issues. With
> sobriety and a sense of collective responsibility. AFRINIC is a critical
> player in the ICT Ecosystem in Africa.
>
>
>
>
>
> ​Let us not throw the baby out with the bath water..
>
>
>
> Agreed.
>
>
>
> Owen
>
>
>
>
>
> Regards​
>
>
>
>
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>
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>
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>
>
>
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>
>
> On Sun, May 6, 2018 at 10:55 PM, Abibu Ntahigiye <
> abibu.ntahig...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Dear Afrinic Community,
>
>
>
> The Board in March 2018, as per resolution 201803.391, tasked the
> Governance Committee (GC) to convene an investigation on allegations made
> by a staff member. The GC was requested to define the Terms of Reference
> (TORs) for an independent investigation, and to appoint an investigation
> committee.  The Board requested the findings to be reported by 30 April
> 2018.
>
>
>
> The GC notified the community that they would deliver the report by 4 May
> 2018, and has submitted the report to the Board on 2 May 2018. The Board
> acknowledged receipt of the report. The Board is going to thoroughly
> consider the report and recommendations thereof, and will share with the
> 

Re: [Community-Discuss] Allegation of Harassment

[DANIEL NANGHAKA]

This is not the point where we should be begging we all know what
transpires when there is a breach of NDA and all the emails have clearly
justified,

AFRINIC is run by the community, is this the example that our leaders are
giving to to the community?

The community has spoken and there clear Rules of procedure, is there a
time frame of action? It will be great if all these are implemented before
AIS.
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On Thu, Mar 22, 2018 at 6:45 PM, Boubakar Barry 
wrote:

> This seems to be handled lightly by the board. "Solidarity"? Very
> inappropriate.
>
> If it doesn't act _now_, the community should take its responsibility and
> request a replacement of the full board in Dakar.
>
> Boubakar
>
>
> On Thu, Mar 22, 2018 at 3:39 PM, Noah  wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 22 Mar 2018, 5:57 p.m. Wayne Diamond, 
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Some body from the AfriNic board that is *NOT* implicated in either the
>>> harassment or breach of NDA needs to take control *now* and make a
>>> decisive statement to the community in the very near future (as in 72
>>> hours) in order to inform the community of what is being done about each of
>>> the issues.
>>>
>> Thanks Wayne
>>
>> And to be pricise we have below board members who seem to lack cohesion
>> but i could be wrong.
>>
>> Mr.Masilela Lucky
>> Mr.Abibu Ntagihiye
>> Mr.Bope Christian
>> Mr.Ilunga Serge
>> Mr.Ojedeji Seun
>> Mr.Subramanian Moonesamy
>> Mr.Alan Barrett (ex-officio)
>>
>> The reputation of AfriNic and the community cannot wait until the end of
>>> April for an investigation to start.
>>>
>> +++1
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> To the board that are not involved in either, get your act together
>>> quickly or step down for a new interim board to be appointed in order to
>>> resolve this but this cannot continue any longer in this manner.
>>>
>>
>> +++1
>>
>> Noah
>>
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Re: [Community-Discuss] Complaint from staff member

[DANIEL NANGHAKA]

There cannot be smoke without fire.
ᐧ

On Tue, Mar 13, 2018 at 2:02 PM, Ali Hussein <a...@hussein.me.ke> wrote:

> @Badru
>
> I agree it’s not a small matter. However, what the CEO did is correct. He
> issued a statement. The Board is at the moment conflicted so may not be
> fair to expect them to respond immediately.  Not sure if the Board has a
> Governance Committee within it. If so then the Chairperson of that
> Committee must issue a statement.
>
> There are clear procedures to follow in a well defined Corporate
> Governance environment.
>
> Regards
>
> *Ali Hussein*
> *Principal*
> *Hussein & Associates*
> +254 0713 601113 <+254%20713%20601113>
>
> Twitter: @AliHKassim
>
> Skype: abu-jomo
>
> LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim
>
> "We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, therefore, is not an act but a
> habit."  ~ Aristotle
>
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On 13 Mar 2018, at 8:59 PM, Badru Ntege <badru.nt...@nftconsult.com>
> wrote:
>
> @Ali
>
> This is not a minor issue and thus the reason we are all waiting for our
> elected Board.
>
> Please note elected board,  CEO needs to be protected at this moment.
>
> If chair cannot comment then one o our other elected board should. That’s
> what accountability is about.
>
> Our organization must be protected above any individuals.
>
> Deep down I hope these are just allegations.
>
> Maybe governance committee should comment.
>
> But like others have mentioned we cannot wait. We need a clear way
> forward.
>
> Regards
>
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On 13 Mar 2018, at 20:38, Ali Hussein <a...@hussein.me.ke> wrote:
>
> @Badru
>
> Allan is correct in responding. The CEO takes the lead on such issues. The
> Board can also respond. However I’d like to caution all of us not cast
> aspersions right now. This is a serious matter that impugns on the
> organization. The Board is a representation of the community in the
> organization. They have a fiduciary responsibility to uphold the
> organization’s mandate and good name.
>
> At this point there is a huge risk that needs to really be managed well.
>
> Regards
>
> *Ali Hussein*
> *Principal*
> *Hussein & Associates*
> +254 0713 601113 <+254%20713%20601113>
>
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>
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>
> LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim
>
> "We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, therefore, is not an act but a
> habit."  ~ Aristotle
>
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On 13 Mar 2018, at 8:21 PM, DANIEL NANGHAKA <dndann...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> There is loss of trust in the board. This is the point where a critical
> review of AFRINIC mandate must be done.
>
> I think we need to clean up our house and not taking side clean our board.
>
> On Tuesday, March 13, 2018, Badru Ntege <badru.nt...@nftconsult.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Thanks
>>
>> I still think at this stage until board pronounced itself.  Even CEO
>> should wait for board.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> > On 13 Mar 2018, at 20:03, Alan Barrett <alan.barr...@afrinic.net>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > Dear Badru,
>> >
>> > My response was from me as CEO.
>> >
>> > Alan Barrett
>> >
>>
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Re: [Community-Discuss] Complaint from staff member

[DANIEL NANGHAKA]

I agree with Badru and I call upon the community to protect CEO and his
team. The board is not the face of AFRINIC, CEO Is the face of AFRINIC.

The Board can always be voted and created. The Community should not be
neglected.
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On Tue, Mar 13, 2018 at 1:59 PM, Badru Ntege <badru.nt...@nftconsult.com>
wrote:

> @Ali
>
> This is not a minor issue and thus the reason we are all waiting for our
> elected Board.
>
> Please note elected board,  CEO needs to be protected at this moment.
>
> If chair cannot comment then one o our other elected board should. That’s
> what accountability is about.
>
> Our organization must be protected above any individuals.
>
> Deep down I hope these are just allegations.
>
> Maybe governance committee should comment.
>
> But like others have mentioned we cannot wait. We need a clear way
> forward.
>
> Regards
>
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On 13 Mar 2018, at 20:38, Ali Hussein <a...@hussein.me.ke> wrote:
>
> @Badru
>
> Allan is correct in responding. The CEO takes the lead on such issues. The
> Board can also respond. However I’d like to caution all of us not cast
> aspersions right now. This is a serious matter that impugns on the
> organization. The Board is a representation of the community in the
> organization. They have a fiduciary responsibility to uphold the
> organization’s mandate and good name.
>
> At this point there is a huge risk that needs to really be managed well.
>
> Regards
>
> *Ali Hussein*
> *Principal*
> *Hussein & Associates*
> +254 0713 601113 <+254%20713%20601113>
>
> Twitter: @AliHKassim
>
> Skype: abu-jomo
>
> LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim
>
> "We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, therefore, is not an act but a
> habit."  ~ Aristotle
>
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On 13 Mar 2018, at 8:21 PM, DANIEL NANGHAKA <dndann...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> There is loss of trust in the board. This is the point where a critical
> review of AFRINIC mandate must be done.
>
> I think we need to clean up our house and not taking side clean our board.
>
> On Tuesday, March 13, 2018, Badru Ntege <badru.nt...@nftconsult.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Thanks
>>
>> I still think at this stage until board pronounced itself.  Even CEO
>> should wait for board.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> > On 13 Mar 2018, at 20:03, Alan Barrett <alan.barr...@afrinic.net>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > Dear Badru,
>> >
>> > My response was from me as CEO.
>> >
>> > Alan Barrett
>> >
>>
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Re: [Community-Discuss] Complaint from staff member

[DANIEL NANGHAKA]

AFRINIC is powered by the community. The allegations where made to the
community. The board comes from the community. Lets not underestimate the
power of the community.

This being a community mailing list, lets respect the fact that Alan has
reacted in his capacity as the CEO. Even I myself as a CEO of ILICIT
Africa, I am accountable on behalf of the my organisation.

The matter in question violates the rights of a woman and is a clear
situation of Woman or Gender exploitation in a corporate organisation. If
the issue is the board, lets go back and review the operation procedures of
the board, those that are involved in the matter in question resign, if the
issue is from CEO and Staff then the same should happen CEO must resign. We
cannot take sides on any issues that involved the running and protection of
the integrity of the organisation but have a critical and clear
investigation into the matter.

The team and its operation in the matter must be supported through this
trying moment and this is where the strength and the credibility of the
Community, Staff and Board is put on trial. I look forward to seeing a
clean AFRINIC. Lets respect the roles of Board and Staff and support CEO in
this trying moment.


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On Tue, Mar 13, 2018 at 1:38 PM, Mike Silber <silber.m...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Colleagues
>
> As indicated, these are serious allegations.
>
> I would encourage the community to not leap to conclusions prematurely.
>
> If you have lost your faith in the board then vote for different
> candidates at the next election.
>
> I have not lost my trust in the board, but will need to be assured soon
> that a credible process is being followed.
>
> We have a governance committee, we have a legal advisor, we have several
> board members who are untainted by the allegations.
>
> Let the board propose a process and we can comment (or let the board
> approach the community or parts of the community for input prior to their
> proposal).
>
> When I say soon, I would suggest a few days for reflection is appropriate
> and I would suggest that end of day Friday (or first thing on Monday
> morning) would be reasonable for us to expect a detailed response on next
> steps.
>
> Obviously sooner would be appreciated.
>
> Mike
>
>
> On 13 Mar 2018, at 13:21, DANIEL NANGHAKA <dndann...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> There is loss of trust in the board. This is the point where a critical
> review of AFRINIC mandate must be done.
>
> I think we need to clean up our house and not taking side clean our board.
>
> On Tuesday, March 13, 2018, Badru Ntege <badru.nt...@nftconsult.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Thanks
>>
>> I still think at this stage until board pronounced itself.  Even CEO
>> should wait for board.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> > On 13 Mar 2018, at 20:03, Alan Barrett <alan.barr...@afrinic.net>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > Dear Badru,
>> >
>> > My response was from me as CEO.
>> >
>> > Alan Barrett
>> >
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