Re: [Community-Discuss] A personal note

[robert ford via Community-Discuss]

Dear Eddy,

Your Nobility and integrity cannot be questioned by any rightful thinking 
member of our Internet community. Rest assured that those with forward looking 
and reasonable minds won’t substitute to the baseless accusations toward you.

Focus on what makes you and AFRINIC community a worthwhile entity that strives 
to secure its befitting and rightful place in the global internet family. You 
occupy a position at the height of your career that was and isn’t accidental. 

Our support for your enduring service and sacrifice to the community must never 
be questioned neither doubted.

Best of luck!


Robert Ford 
Independent ICT Consultant 
EAC ONA & Tech Investments
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> On 28 Jun 2022, at 14:52, Eddy Kayihura  > wrote:
> 
> Dear All,
>  
> I have been following the discussions on the AFRINIC members-discuss and 
> community-discuss mailing lists. I find it unfortunately necessary that I 
> must send out this email.
>  
> I will not defend myself from the allegations made against me. Anyone who 
> knows me, the history of my country, and my upbringing would know that I can 
> never and would never support any call for tribalism or xenophobia. I know 
> that even those who made such allegations against me are aware of how beneath 
> them these tactics are.
>  
> I will however use this opportunity to remind all, myself included, that hate 
> is never the answer. Destroying bridges will always be easier than building 
> them. Attempts to divide and concur us Africans are as old as time itself. 
> Unfortunately, these calls sometimes come from within and not from abroad. 
>  
> AFRINIC was established as an entity that should unite us as a continent and 
> build a community of like-minded people that care about the development of 
> their land and does not focus on our differences, but rather take advantage 
> of the robustness of our diversity and the strength in our numbers and unity.
>  
> I hope you, like me, see what really is at stake here.
>  
> Regards,
> 
> Eddy
> 
> 
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Re: [Community-Discuss] Temporary emergency moderation

[robert ford via Community-Discuss]

THANK YOU Eddy for prevailing with a great sense of leadership and wisdom. 

The integrity of the organization deserves immense protection.

Regards


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> On 24 Jun 2022, at 20:34, Eddy Kayihura  > wrote:
> 
> Dear Colleagues,
>  
> We have been following the discussions on the AFRINIC mailing lists. We find 
> some of the emails are neither in line with the purpose of the mailing list 
> nor with the principles of the AFRINIC Code of Conduct.
>  
> We therefore will temporarily moderate the community-discuss mailing lists 
> starting from Friday, 24 June 2022, 18:10 UTC and until Monday 27 June 18:00 
> UTC when you will be informed about the new protocol. 
> 
> All emails, accepted or rejected, will be archived on the community list 
> archive.
> --
> 
> Kind Regards
> 
> Eddy Kayihura M.
> Chief Executive Officer
> African Network Information Centre (AFRINIC) Ltd.
> 
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Re: [Community-Discuss] [members-discuss] Congratulations to the new Chair & Vice-Chair of AFRINIC

[robert ford via Community-Discuss]

Thank you CEO Eddy,

I agree with you and so are other reasonable members of this community. There 
will always be dissatisfied members but this community shall always strive to 
move on and at the right side of the law. 

Thank you for your hard work and dedication. 

Regards


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> On 8 Jun 2022, at 14:08, Eddy Kayihura  > wrote:
> 
> Dear All,
> 
> The process was followed as per the bylaws provisions.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Eddy
> 
>> On 8 Jun 2022, at 12:57, Noah mailto:n...@neo.co.tz>> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Andrew,
>> 
>> On Wed, 8 Jun 2022, 13:48 Andrew Alston, > > wrote:
>> On the contrary Noah,
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> No one is “throwing shade” – we are asking the board to confirm that the 
>> process was correctly followed. Which, considering the events of the AGMM 
>> and the blatant violations of the bylaws that occurred there – is a very 
>> fair question to ask.
>> 
>> 
>> I am certain the CEO and the board have read your fair questions and without 
>> doubt they shall respond, however, the claims of lack of quorum by some is 
>> what I was referring to in respect to the bylaws which I attempted to 
>> explain and Mark Elkins did us a service to paste the said section for the 
>> doubtful thomas's among us.
>>  
>> 
>> And – if you dispute there were blatant violations of the bylaws in the 
>> context of the AGMM – Please, let me know – I will quote you chapter and 
>> verse as to exactly where they happened.
>> 
>> 
>> This is something else, so let us not mix things up.
>> 
>> Noah
>>  
>> 
>> Andrew
>> 
>>  
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> From: Noah mailto:n...@neo.co.tz>> 
>> Sent: Wednesday, June 8, 2022 1:39 PM
>> To: Mark Elkins mailto:m...@posix.co.za>>
>> Cc: AFRINIC Community Discuss > >; AfriNIC Discuss 
>> mailto:members-disc...@afrinic.net>>; Owen 
>> DeLong mailto:o...@delong.com>>
>> Subject: Re: [members-discuss] [Community-Discuss] Congratulations to the 
>> new Chair & Vice-Chair of AFRINIC
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Hi Mark
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> This is exactly what I was educating someone on a separate thread on members 
>> list but it seems we are a point where throwing shades at the board at any 
>> chance some folks get, is a thing now.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Noah
>> 
>> On Wed, 8 Jun 2022, 13:16 Mark Elkins, > > wrote:
>> 
>> Just so that people are clear... Page 30 of the AfriNIC Bylaws image cut 
>> from the PDF.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Thus if there are at least three Board Members, if one leaves the room - the 
>> last two can call a meeting, see that there is no quorum, send notice to the 
>> third, adjourn the meeting and then after at least 24 hours, conduct a 
>> meeting in quorum assuming then that there are at least three Board members. 
>> If this happens - it must be minuted.
>> 
>> On 6/8/22 6:36 AM, Andrew Alston via Community-Discuss wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Owen,
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Well - it depends.  If a non-quorate meeting was called and then adjourned 
>> for 24 hours and reconvened they would gain quorum under the bylaws.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> The question becomes - and this is where I am uncertain and believe it is 
>> open to debate - can a meeting be called knowing full well that quorum 
>> cannot be there and then adjourned for 24 hours to gain quorum - thereby 
>> deliberately exploiting a loophole.  It is one thing to call a meeting 
>> thinking you would have quorum - not getting it - adjourning for 24 hours 
>> and then gaining quorum after giving notice to the absent directors.  It is 
>> another thing entirely to call a meeting knowing full well quorum could not 
>> be met and having no one to give notice to.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Either way at bare minimum a meeting would have had to be called - adjourned 
>> 24 hours - and then reconvened to be quorate.  This would have to be 
>> minuted.  The board has been silent on if this process was followed despite 
>> members asking the question.  Once again we face a situation where this 
>> organization is not answering legitimate questions from its members - and to 
>> me that is even more troublesome than the quorum issue.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Furthermore - last I checked the board of directors page online had updated 
>> the chair and vice chair but was still showing the old directors listed as 
>> current - why has that not been updated to show the vacant seats accordingly
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Andrew 
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Get Outlook for iOS 
>> From: Owen DeLong via Community-Discuss  
>> 
>> Sent: Wednesday, June 8, 2022 12:54:52 AM
>> To: Ish Sookun  
>> 
>> Cc: AFRINIC Community Discuss  
>> ; AfriNIC Discuss 
>>  
>> Subject: Re: [Commu

Re: [Community-Discuss] Cloud Innovation Ltd vs AFRINIC (SCR 5C/30/21) Court Update

[robert ford via Community-Discuss]

Well done Eddy and the team at AFRINIC for a job well accomplished 

Ford

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> On 15 Feb 2022, at 18:04, Dewole Ajao  wrote:
> 
> 
> Thanks for the update which you seem to be celebrating (if I read you 
> correctly). For those like me who are legalese-challenged, does this mean 
> that Cloud Innovation's resources are now effectively revoked? If I remember 
> correctly, all of this started with a notice that resources were to be 
> revoked at a certain date on the basis of non-compliance with the RSA, right?
> 
>> On Tue, Feb 15, 2022 at 3:53 PM AFRINIC Communication  
>> wrote:
>> Dear Colleagues,
>> 
>> I am pleased to share with you the ruling delivered yesterday, 14 February 
>> 2022, in the appeal case ref Cloud Innovation Ltd vs African Network 
>> Information Centre (AfriNIC) Ltd. 
>> https://afrinic.net/ast/case9-judgement.pdf 
>> 
>> This case was filed in response to a letter that AFRINIC sent to Cloud 
>> Innovation Ltd dated 10 March 2021 pursuant to the provisions of the 
>> Registration Service Agreement (RSA) whereby AFRINIC contended that Cloud 
>> Innovation Ltd was, and continues to be, in breach of the RSA.
>> 
>> This appeal stems from Cloud Innovation Ltd’s application for Interim 
>> Injunction, which was initially granted in its favour on 29 March 2021, but 
>> then set aside by the Honourable Judge in Chambers on 07 July 2021. Cloud 
>> Innovation Ltd had appealed against that judgement, and the hearing took 
>> place on 27 January 2022.
>> 
>> To put it simply, the Appellate Division of the Supreme Court of Mauritius 
>> has, after having considered the arguments from both sides, dismissed the 
>> appeal. In other words, AFRINIC has won this appeal.
>> 
>> No doubt, this is an essential milestone for AFRINIC, and we wish to thank 
>> the team and our stakeholders for their continued support. 
>> 
>> 
>> Kind Regards,
>> 
>> 
>> Eddy Kayihura,
>> Chief Executive Officer,
>> African Network Information Centre (AFRINIC)
>> c...@afrinic.net
>> 
>> 
>> …..
>> 
>> 
>> Chers collègues,
>> 
>> J'ai le plaisir de vous faire part de ce jugement rendu hier, 14 février 
>> 2022, dans l'affaire en appel réf Cloud Innovation Ltd vs African Network 
>> Information Centre (AfriNIC) Ltd.
>> 
>> https://afrinic.net/ast/case9-judgement.pdf
>> 
>> Cette affaire a été déposée en réponse à un courrier qu’AFRINIC a envoyé à 
>> Cloud Innovation Ltd en date du 10 mars 2021 conformément aux dispositions 
>> du Registration Service Agreement (RSA), dans lequel l'AFRINIC soutenait que 
>> Cloud Innovation Ltd était, et continue d'être, en infraction avec le RSA.
>> 
>> Cet appel découle de la demande d'injonction provisoire de Cloud Innovation 
>> Ltd, qui a été initialement accordée en sa faveur le 29 mars 2021, mais 
>> ensuite annulée par l'honorable juge en chambre le 7 juillet 2021. Cloud 
>> Innovation Ltd a fait appel de ce jugement, et l'audience a eu lieu le 27 
>> janvier 2022.
>> 
>> En bref, la division d'appel de la Cour suprême de Maurice a, après avoir 
>> examiné les arguments des deux parties, rejeté l'appel. En d'autres termes, 
>> AFRINIC a gagné cet appel.
>> 
>> Il s'agit sans aucun doute d'une étape essentielle pour l'AFRINIC, et nous 
>> souhaitons remercier l'équipe et nos parties prenantes pour leur soutien 
>> continu.
>> 
>> 
>> Cordialement
>> 
>> 
>> Eddy Kayihura,
>> Directeur général,
>> African Network Information Centre (AFRINIC)
>> c...@afrinic.net
>> 
>> 
>> ……..
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> زملائي الأعزاء،
>> 
>> يسعدني أن أشارككم الحكم الصادر بالأمس ، 14 فبراير 2022 ، في قضية الاستئناف 
>> المرجع Cloud Innovation Ltd vs African Network Information Center (AfriNIC) 
>> Ltd. https://afrinic.net/ast/case9-judgement.pdf
>> 
>> تم رفع هذه القضية ردًا على خطاب أرسلته AFRINIC إلى Cloud Innovation Limited 
>> بتاريخ 10 مارس 2021 وفقًا لأحكام اتفاقية خدمة التسجيل (RSA) حيث أكدت AFRINIC 
>> أن Cloud Innovation Ltd كانت ولا تزال تنتهك RSA.
>> 
>> ينبع هذا الاستئناف من طلب Cloud Innovation Limited للأمر المؤقت ، والذي تم 
>> منحه في البداية لصالحها في 29 مارس 2021 ، ولكن بعد ذلك ألغاه القاضي الموقر 
>> في الدوائر في 07 يوليو 2021. استأنفت Cloud Innovation Limited ضد هذا الحكم ، 
>> و عُقدت جلسة الاستماع في 27 يناير 2022.
>> 
>> وببساطة ، فإن دائرة الاستئناف في المحكمة العليا لموريشيوس ، بعد أن نظرت في 
>> الحجج المقدمة من كلا الجانبين ، رفضت الاستئناف. بعبارة أخرى ، حازت AFRINIC 
>> على هذا النداء.
>> 
>> لا شك أن هذا يعد معلمًا أساسيًا لـ AFRINIC ، ونود أن نشكر الفريق وأصحاب 
>> المصلحة لدينا على دعمهم المستمر.
>> 
>> 
>> أطيب التحيات،
>> 
>> 
>> إيدي كاييهورا ،
>> الرئيس التنفيذى،
>> المركز الأفريقي لمعلومات الشبكة (AFRINIC)
>> c...@afrinic.net
>> 
>> ………..
>> 
>> Caros Colegas,
>> 
>> Tenho o prazer de partilhar convosco a decisão proferida ontem, 14 de 
>> Fevereiro de 2022, no processo de recurso ref Cloud Innovation Ltd contra 
>> African Network Information Centre (AfriNIC) Ltd.

Re: [Community-Discuss] Message of Condolences to the family and friends of Mr. Serge Kabwika Ilunga

[robert ford via Community-Discuss]

I am saddened and shocked at the terrible news of the passing of my dear friend 
and colleague at AFRINIC Board. 

He was a man of honor and high integrity and extremely resourceful to the 
community. 

May his soul rest in heavenly wisdom. 

Robert Ford

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> On 23 Dec 2021, at 16:32, d...@darwincosta.com wrote:
> 
> My sincere condolences to the entire family.
> 
> RIP Mr. Serge. 
> 
> Best Regards,
> Cumprimentos,
> Darwin-.
> 
>>> On 23 Dec 2021, at 15:25, Arnaud AMELINA  wrote:
>>> 
>> 
>> Ooooh Serge, mon cher frère, mon ami, mon compagnon de lutte, tu t'en es 
>> allé, en silence. Que l'Eternel t'accueille dans la félicité éternelle. Que 
>> ton âme repose dans l'éternelle paix. Que la terre te soit légère. Amen. 
>> 
>> Arnaud. 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> Le jeu. 23 déc. 2021 à 12:25, Eddy Kayihura  a écrit :
>>> Dear Colleagues,
>>> 
>>> It is with profound sadness that we have learnt about the untimely death of 
>>> our Board Member, Mr Serge Kabwika Ilunga. 
>>> 
>>> Mr Serge Kabwika Ilunga has served as a member of the AFRINIC Board since 
>>> July 2017. While on the Board, Mr. Ilunga served on different committees 
>>> including the Audit and the Remuneration Committees.
>>> 
>>> Mr. Ilunga was the CEO of CSTelecomex. He has been actively involved in the 
>>> development of the ICT sector in D.R. Congo where he served for many years 
>>> numerous organisations including Vodacom Congo in several positions, 
>>> BSDCongo, a non profit association that works to spread ICT in D.R Congo 
>>> and promote freeware, among others.
>>> 
>>> He was also a Member of the Institute of Electrical and Electronics 
>>> Engineers (IEEE), Internet Society and was actively involved in several 
>>> capacity building programs in D.R. Congo, contributing  to the Organisation 
>>> of the first National Internet Governance Forum in D.R.Congo, the 
>>> organisation of the Central Africa Internet Governance Forum, the 
>>> deployment of KINIX (Kinshasa Exchange Point), among others.
>>> 
>>> We wish to extend our deepest and most heartfelt condolences to the 
>>> bereaved family, friends and to the Global Internet community.
>>> 
>>> May his soul rest in eternal peace.
>>> 
>>> Eddy Kayihura,
>>> Chief Executive Officer,
>>> African Network Information Centre (AFRINIC)
>>> c...@afrinic.net 
>>> 
>>> ……..
>>> 
>>> Chers collègues,
>>> 
>>> C'est avec une profonde tristesse que nous avons appris le décès prématuré 
>>> de notre membre du conseil d'administration, Monsieur Serge Kabwika Ilunga.
>>> M. Serge Kabwika Ilunga était membre du conseil d'administration d'Afrinic 
>>> depuis juillet 2017. M. Ilunga a siégé dans différents comités, notamment 
>>> les comités d'audit et de rémunération.
>>> 
>>> M. Ilunga était le directeur général de CSTelecomex. Il a été activement 
>>> impliqué dans le développement du secteur des TIC en R.D. Congo où il a 
>>> servi pendant de nombreuses années de nombreuses organisations dont Vodacom 
>>> Congo à plusieurs postes, BSDCongo, une association à but non lucratif qui 
>>> œuvre pour la diffusion des TIC au Congo et la promotion des logiciels 
>>> libres, entre autres.
>>> 
>>> Il était également membre de l'Institute of Electrical and Electronics 
>>> Engineers (IEEE), de l'Internet Society et a participé activement à 
>>> plusieurs programmes de renforcement des capacités en R.D. Congo, 
>>> contribuant à l'organisation du premier Forum national sur la gouvernance 
>>> de l'Internet en R.D. Congo, à l'organisation du Forum sur la gouvernance 
>>> de l'Internet en Afrique centrale, au déploiement de KINIX (Kinshasa 
>>> Exchange Point), entre autres.
>>> 
>>> Nous souhaitons présenter nos plus sincères et profondes condoléances à la 
>>> famille et aux amis endeuillés ainsi qu'à la communauté Internet mondiale.
>>> Que son âme repose dans la paix éternelle.
>>> 
>>> Eddy Kayihura,
>>> Chief Executive Officer,
>>> African Network Information Centre (AFRINIC)
>>> c...@afrinic.net 
>>> 
>>> ….
>>> 
>>> زملائي الاعزاء،
>>> لقد علمنا بحزن عميق بوفاة عضو مجلس الإدارة السيد سيرج كابويكا إيلونجا في 
>>> وقت مبكر.
>>> عمل السيد Serge Kabwika Ilunga كعضو في مجلس إدارة AFRINIC منذ يوليو 
>>> 2017.أثناء عضويته في مجلس الإدارة ، عمل السيد إلونجا في لجان مختلفة بما في 
>>> ذلك لجان التدقيق والمكافآت.
>>> السيد Ilunga كان الرئيس التنفيذي لشركة CSTelecomex. شارك بنشاط في تطوير 
>>> قطاع تكنولوجيا المعلومات والاتصالات في D.R. الكونغو حيث خدم لسنوات عديدة في 
>>> العديد من المنظمات بما في ذلك Vodacom Congo في عدة مناصب ، BSDCongo ، وهي 
>>> جمعية غير ربحية تعمل على نشر تكنولوجيا المعلومات والاتصالات في جمهورية 
>>> الكونغو الديمقراطية والترويج للبرامج المجانية ، من بين أمور أخرى.
>>> كان أيضًا عضوًا في معهد مهندسي الكهرباء والإلكترونيات (IEEE) ، وجمعية 
>>> الإنترنت وشارك بنشاط في العديد من برامج بناء القدرات في D.R. ساهم الكونغو 
>>> في تنظيم المنتدى الوطني الأول لإدارة الإنترنت في جمهورية الكونغو 
>>> الديمقراطية ، وتنظيم منتدى حوكمة الإنترنت في وسط 

Re: [Community-Discuss] Update on legal case - Freeze of Bank accounts

[robert ford via Community-Discuss]

Thank You Afrinic team for your enduring effort to have this matter eased

We pledge our support in all your undertakings to maintain smooth operations 
and keep the internet across the continent serving our deserving population


Robert N. Ford
COPP Technical Support Specialist
NCDA
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Twitter: @robertnford1
Skype: robert4dd






> On 15 Oct 2021, at 12:56, Eddy Kayihura  > wrote:
> 
> Dear Colleagues,
> 
> Please see the message below that was shared with our members.
> --
> 
> Kind Regards
> 
> Eddy Kayihura M.
> Chief Executive Officer
> African Network Information Centre (AFRINIC) Ltd.
> 
> t: +230 403 51 00  |  tt: @afrinic  |  https://www.afrinic.net 
>   |  youtube.com/afrinicmedia 
> 
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> Africa”
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> 
> 
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> may also be privileged or otherwise protected by law. They are intended 
> solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If 
> you have received this email by error please notify the sender immediately by 
> e-mail and delete this e-mail from your system. You are also notified that 
> disclosing, copying, distributing, or taking any action in relation to its 
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> 
>> Begin forwarded message:
>> 
>> From: Eddy Kayihura mailto:e...@afrinic.net>>
>> Subject: [members-discuss] Update on legal case - Freeze of Bank accounts
>> Date: 15 October 2021 at 14:53:03 GMT+4
>> To: AfriNIC Discuss > >
>> 
>> Dear Colleagues,
>> 
>> We are happy to inform our stakeholders that there was a court hearing today 
>> with regard to our application for removal of the freezing order against 
>> AFRINIC.
>>  
>> The Court, after considering our application and the case initiated by Cloud 
>> Innovation Ltd, has declared the order null and void. In short, AFRINIC has 
>> won this case against Cloud Innovation Ltd.
>>  
>> There is another Appeal to be heard on 11th November 2021. We will keep you 
>> informed of the outcome and we are quietly optimistic that justice will 
>> prevail.
>> 
>> Kind Regards,
>> 
>> Eddy Kayihura
>> Chief Executive Officer
>> African Network Information Centre (AFRINIC)
>> c...@afrinic.net 
>> …...
>> 
>> Chers Collègues,
>> 
>> Nous sommes heureux de vous informer qu'une audience a eu lieu aujourd'hui 
>> au tribunal concernant notre demande de levée de l'ordonnance de gel des 
>> comptes d'AFRINIC.
>>  
>> Le tribunal, après avoir examiné notre demande et l'affaire initiée par 
>> Cloud Innovation Ltd, a déclaré l'ordonnance nulle et non avenue. En bref, 
>> AFRINIC a gagné ce procès contre Cloud Innovation Ltd.
>>  
>> Un autre appel doit être entendu le 11 novembre 2021. Nous vous tiendrons 
>> informés du dénouement et nous sommes optimistes quant à la justice.
>> 
>> Cordialement,
>> 
>> Eddy Kayihura
>> Directeur général
>> Le Centre d'information du réseau africain
>> c...@afrinic.net 
>> ……...
>> 
>> زملائي الاعزاء،
>> 
>> يسعدنا إبلاغ أصحاب المصلحة لدينا أنه كانت هناك جلسة استماع اليوم فيما يتعلق 
>> بطلبنا لإزالة أمر التجميد ضد AFRINIC.
>>  
>> أعلنت المحكمة ، بعد النظر في طلبنا والقضية التي رفعتها شركة Cloud Innovation 
>> Ltd ، أن الأمر باطل ولاغٍ. باختصار ، فازت AFRINIC بقضيتها ضد Cloud 
>> Innovation Ltd.
>>  
>> هناك نداء آخر سيتم الاستماع إليه في 11 نوفمبر. سنبقيك على اطلاع بالنتيجة 
>> ونحن متفائلون بهدوء بأن العدالة ستسود.
>> 
>> AFRINIC للاتصالات
>> 
>> .
>> 
>> Caros colegas,
>> 
>> Temos o prazer de informar as nossas partes interessadas de que houve hoje 
>> uma audiência judicial relativamente ao nosso pedido de retirada da ordem de 
>> congelamento contra a AFRINIC.
>>  
>> O Tribunal, após considerar o nosso pedido e o processo iniciado pela Cloud 
>> Innovation Ltd, declarou a ordem nula e sem efeito. Em suma, a AFRINIC 
>> ganhou o seu processo contra a Cloud Innovation Ltd.
>>  
>> Há outro recurso a ser ouvido a 11 de Novembro de 2021. Manter-vos-emos 
>> informados sobre o resultado e estamos tranquilamente optimistas de que a 
>> justiça prevalecerá.
>> 
>>

Re: [Community-Discuss] ICANN / fake news

[robert ford via Community-Discuss]

Well put well put Ronald. You spelt it out clearly. 

I hope they have listened well. 

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> On 2 Aug 2021, at 04:48, Ronald F. Guilmette  wrote:
> 
> In message <19166b87-4f3a-446c-8863-b2d39c28f...@delong.com>, 
> Owen DeLong  wrote:
> 
>> While people often mistake ICANN for some form of authority, the reality is 
>> that for number
>> resources, ICANN is a puppet at the end of the strings pulled by the NRO
> 
> If thing go as you & Lu clearly hope it will, then we may perhaps be
> able to witness an actual test of that hypothesis, i.e. we may find out
> what the ICANN position is on all this, and what it may do or may be
> willing and able to do in the event of some ACTUAL crisis... a crisis
> which provably DOES NOT EXIST at the moment.
> 
>> I will also note, for the sake of completeness, that the NRO so far has not 
>> announced any
>> approval, disbursement, or activation of the NRO stability fund.
> 
> Why should they?  The lights are still on at AFRINIC, the servers are
> still running and performing their assigned duties... you just sent an
> email through one of them... and as far as I am aware, none of the
> actual AFRINIC employees who administer and operate any of AFRINIC's
> critical online systems have quit their jobs to look for gainful
> employment elsewhere.
> 
> This is all a phony crisis... a tempest in a teacup... which has only
> been given a thin veneer of reality by a small number of sock puppets
> who are all quite clearly pushing the Cloud Innovation party line.
> 
> If, as I expect, the financial freeze order is lifted this coming Wedneday...
> once BOTH PARTIES are at last before the judge and allowed to speak on
> this matter... then this completely fake "crisis" will disappear like
> a puff of smoke in the wind.
> 
> 
> Regards,
> rfg
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Re: [Community-Discuss] South Africa ISPA Statement on Recent AFRINIC developments

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Hello Ronald, 

I totally agree with you. One company, one man suffocating the life and 
bloodline of our way of life as we know it. Internet number resources are what 
we pride our today in. It’s survival, it’s everything. Some company can’t 
disrupt that course really.

Like you clearly said, at some point we could have had an issue or two with 
AFRINIC but a lawsuit of 1.8 B is just a joke.

Let’s hope the courts will do the right thing 

RF

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> On 2 Aug 2021, at 02:22, Ronald F. Guilmette  wrote:
> 
> In message 
> 
> Christian Orozco  wrote:
> 
>> Owen said, the CORRECTION of behavior is what's being sought.
> 
> I also have many outstanding quarrels with AFRINIC and I also fervently
> desire to see the organization's behavior be corrected.
> 
> But I do not pursue these goals either at the point of a gun, or via a
> $1.8 BILLION dollar lawsuit.  I do not do so because the ends do not
> justify the means, and I am a believer that change should be effected
> via democratic means, despite how frustrating that kind of process may
> be at times.
> 
> What is happening right now is instead an attempt at a corporate coup,
> and a hostile takeover, all engineered by one company and by one man.
> 
> This is the very opposite of democracy.
> 
> 
> Regards,
> rfg
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Re: [Community-Discuss] Call for AFRINIC’s registry service migration to other RIRs

[robert ford via Community-Discuss]

Typical of Andrew about transfer of rights. He clearly knows what he would use 
such transfer policy for. 

Glad rightful thinking members of African Internet community understand the 
baits 

RF

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> On 1 Aug 2021, at 15:44, Lamiaa Chnayti  wrote:
> 
> 
> It makes absolute sense to pass a resource transfer policy that gives the 
> resource members the option of not getting dragged along the risky mess 
> AFRINIC is putting them through. 
> But I don’t see the necessity of passing an emergency policy when we already 
> have a resource transfer policy that has been discussed and has achieved 
> consensus before, so it only makes sense that the board ratifies the 
> AFPUB-2019-V4-003-DRAFT04.
> 
> Best regards,
> Lamiaa CHNAYTI
> 
> 
> 
>> On Sun, 1 Aug 2021 at 13:39, Andrew Alston via Community-Discuss 
>>  wrote:
>> It is my (personal) view that AfriNIC board should exercise their powers and 
>> pass a transfer policy.
>> 
>> Let those who wish to run the risks of staying with AfriNIC through this 
>> situation do so - let those who choose not to accept the risk profile 
>> transfer out - problem solved.
>> 
>> It is entirely within the boards powers to pass emergency policy which the 
>> community can revoke at the next pdp should they wish to do so - and if 
>> AfriNIC has the support claimed by members of this list there is absolutely 
>> zero risk in this approach.
>> 
>> Furthermore - such an approach would also remove the possibility of other 
>> legal action which may be taken against them on grounds removed from the 
>> current legal situation
>> 
>> I remind everyone that AfriNIC has a duty to act in the interests of its 
>> members - and AfriNIC has repeatedly stated in the press - and has been 
>> echoed by various ISP associations that there is risk here - it should 
>> therefore stand that AfriNIC provide members with a way to mitigate said 
>> risk if it is within their powers to do so
>>  
>> Again - a personal view - and again - I explicitly will not comment on the 
>> merits or demerits of this case - since I believe that the legal system 
>> should run its course and be the final arbiter of what is correct in this 
>> situation.  In fact I find the amount of legal posturing on this list to be 
>> nothing short of bizarre - let the courts do their work - but let members 
>> mitigate their risks as they see fit
>> 
>> 
>> Andrew  
>> 
>> Get Outlook for iOS
>> From: Taiwo Oye 
>> Sent: Sunday, August 1, 2021 3:00:32 PM
>> To: Paul Wollner 
>> Cc: arin-discuss ; secretariat ; 
>> Community Discuss ; apnic-talk 
>> ; ripe-list ; Members 
>> Discuss 
>> Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] Call for AFRINIC’s registry service 
>> migration to other RIRs
>>  
>> Good day all,
>> 
>> I think paul made some sense in his first statement (tho the statement has 
>> been watered down now).
>> 
>> If afrinic is in a financial fix or in a state where it is tending towards a 
>> financial situation where it can no longer perform its duties, it is only 
>> right to start weighing all viable options to keep the registry afloat. 
>> Paul made a suggestion - tho a bit aggressively - about the NRO coming to 
>> save the region. 
>> I will like the community to see this as “option 1”. 
>> 
>> Does any other community member have any better suggestion in the (not so 
>> likely) situation that afrinic does not have the financial capability to 
>> carry out its duties?
>> 
>> If so, please lay them out for discussion amongst the community members. 
>> 
>> If not, Option 1 remains the only alternative to cushion the effect of the 
>> financial breakdown. 
>> 
>> That being said. I think we should think in the direction of way forward and 
>> have a plan ready rather than crucifying Paul for being proactive. 
>> 
>>> On Aug 1, 2021, at 11:01, Paul Wollner  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Hello community
>>> 
>>> I think I  misused the word “take over” to spike some unfortunate 
>>> sentiments.
>>> 
>>> Let me try this again:
>>> In the interest of internet continuity, another RIR should help AFRINIC (by 
>>> staff or infrastructure), to perform it’s core registration service 
>>> function for the time being, until all AFRINIC litigation has been sorted 
>>> to avoid disruption to our African end users and businesses.
>>> 
>>> Regards
>>> Paul
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>  On Thu, 29 Jul 2021 23:38:32 +0200 Paul Wollner 
>>>  wrote 
>>> 
>>> Apologies for the duplicate post, but the initial posting was too large. 
>>> 
>>> The concerns expressed by TISPA, as well as other concerned parties and 
>>> especially by AFRINIC's  own admission in the news outlet lexpress.mu, 
>>> which is available at https://ibb.co/tmWCk0k, regarding the AFRINIC’s 
>>> inability to keep providing its core registry functions due to its 
>>> inability to meet its financial requirements.
>>> 
>>> I suggest that in order not hold end users, ISPs and any other business's 
>>> hostage, for the interest of continue service of AFRIN

Re: [Community-Discuss] AFRINIC's Update (with translation)

[robert ford via Community-Discuss]

I couldn’t agree more. 

Does he get it though? I bet he does. 

Ford

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> On 28 Jul 2021, at 00:19, Mirriam via Community-Discuss 
>  wrote:
> 
> Owen, 
> 
> Stop dragging the CEO in your nonsense and await the court hearing.
> 
>  Mirriam.
> 
>  
> 
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> On Tue, Jul 27, 2021 at 7:12 PM, Owen DeLong via Community-Discuss
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Re: [Community-Discuss] AFRINIC's Update (with translation)

[robert ford via Community-Discuss]

This is well noted. 

Thank you CEO.

Ford

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> On 27 Jul 2021, at 18:04, Owen DeLong via Community-Discuss 
>  wrote:
> 
> You also left out the part where the judge denied your ex parte request when 
> setting the hearing for August 4.
> 
> For the avoidance of doubt, I have attached a copy of the Judge’s order here:
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Owen
> 
> 
>> On Jul 27, 2021, at 07:44 , Eddy Kayihura  wrote:
>> 
>> Dear Colleagues,
>> 
>> I realised that the previous message did not have the other languages 
>> translations in full.
>> 
>> Apologies for the double posting.
>> --
>> 
>> Kind Regards
>> 
>> Eddy Kayihura M.
>> Chief Executive Officer
>> AFRINIC Ltd.
>> 
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>>> Begin forwarded message:
>>> 
>>> From: Eddy Kayihura 
>>> Subject: AFRINIC's Update
>>> Date: 27 July 2021 at 18:31:59 GMT+4
>>> To: AfriNIC Discuss 
>>> 
>>> Dear Members,
>>> 
>>> I wish to share with you an update on the freezing of AFRINIC Financial 
>>> Accounts and the options we are considering.
>>> 
>>> Please watch the video here 
>>> (https://afrinic.net/20210727-ceo-addresses-freezing-of-afrinic-financial-accounts)
>>> 
>>> Besides, after the recording of the video, there has been a latest 
>>> development in the matter regarding AFRINIC’s application lodged yesterday 
>>> seeking a variation of the freezing order.
>>> 
>>> The latest update is that the Learned Judge has fixed the matter for August 
>>> 4th 2021 for the other parties, including the concerned banks,  to 
>>> communicate their stand in the matter. 
>>> 
>>> We shall update you accordingly. 
>>> 
>>> Eddy Kayihura
>>> 
>>> Chief Executive Officer, AFRINIC
>>> 
>>> c...@afrinic.net 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> …….
>>> 
>>> Chers membres,
>>> 
>>> Je souhaite partager avec vous une mise à jour sur le gel des comptes 
>>> financiers d'AFRINIC et les options que nous envisageons.
>>> 
>>> Veuillez regarder la vidéo ici 
>>> (https://afrinic.net/20210727-ceo-addresses-freezing-of-afrinic-financial-accounts)
>>>  - cliquez sur la page en français pour texte en français. La vidéo 
>>> malheureusement n’est disponible qu’en anglais.
>>> 
>>> En outre, après l'enregistrement de la vidéo, il y a eu un dernier 
>>> développement dans l'affaire concernant la demande d'AFRINIC déposée hier 
>>> pour une modification de l`ordre de gel de nos comptes.
>>> 
>>> La dernière mise à jour est que le Learned Judge a fixé l'affaire au 4 août 
>>> 2021 pour que les autres parties, incluant les banques, communiquent leur 
>>> position dans l'affaire. 
>>> 
>>> Nous vous tiendrons informés en conséquence. 
>>> 
>>> Eddy Kayihura
>>> 
>>> Chief Executive Officer, AFRINIC
>>> 
>>> c...@afrinic.net 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> .
>>> أعضاء العزيز،
>>> 
>>> أود أن أطلعكم على آخر المستجدات بشأن تجميد حسابات AFRINIC المالية والخيارات 
>>> التي ندرسها.
>>> 
>>> يرجى مشاهدة الفيديو هنا 
>>> (https://afrinic.net/20210727-ceo-addresses-freezing-of-afrinic-financial-accounts)
>>> 
>>> علاوة على ذلك ، بعد تسجيل الفيديو ، كان هناك تطور جديد في الموضوع فيما 
>>> يتعلق بطلب Afrinic الذي تم تقديمه أمس للحصول على تغيير في أمر التجميد.
>>> 
>>> آخر تحديث هو أن القاضي المستعلم قد أصلح الأمر في 4 أغسطس 2021 للأطراف 
>>> الأخرى للتعبير عن موقفهم في هذا الشأن.
>>> 
>>> سنقوم بتحديثك وفقا لذلك.
>>> 
>>> Eddy Kayihura
>>> 
>>> Chief Executive Officer, AFRINIC
>>> 
>>> c...@afrinic.net 
>>> 
>>> …….
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Caros Membros,
>>> 
>>> Desejo partilhar convosco uma actualização sobre o congelamento das Contas 
>>> Financeiras AFRINIC e as opções que estamos a considerar.
>>> 
>>> Por favor, veja o vídeo aqui 
>>> (https://a