Re: [Community-Discuss] Questions about AfriNIC Allocations

2018-12-10 Thread Willy MANGA 
Hi,

Le 09/12/2018 à 09:09, Chevalier du Borg a écrit :
> [...]
> Even though your stat have been prove to be wrong. As former board member
> and current operator, you should know that many small ISP in Africa do not
> meet the "multi-homing" criteria. So there is natural limit to potential
> number of  ASN.


Mentioned during James' presentation during AFRINIC-29 , page 11 [1]

A policy proposal to remove this restriction has been suggested [2] ...



1.
https://meeting.afrinic.net/afrinic-29/components/com_afmeeting/speakers/587/5--James-PIER-AF29.pdf

2. https://lists.afrinic.net/pipermail/rpd/2018/008651.html

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Re: [Community-Discuss] Questions about AfriNIC Allocations

2018-12-09 Thread Chevalier du Borg 
Le dim. 9 déc. 2018 à 12:25, Andrew Alston 
a écrit :

> The concern here is not about ISPs getting asns - it is deeper than that.
>
> In order for the internet environment to thrive we need the potential for
> large scale interconnection that is predicated on companies having asns -
> and this includes enterprise customers across all sectors.
>


I agree with you. I think the current ASN policy make that difficult
I know you are not try to blame AFRINIC for this (even though it hard to
see it that way because of your timing).  I think it a matter of strategic
importance. As a former board member, did you not realise this issue? What
did you get the board and company to do about it?



>
> Interconnection and free traffic exchange is critical to the growth of the
> internet industry and our goals of getting to a majority of content being
> exchanged directly on the continent.  It is also critical to build the
> critical mass, a requirement to justify the investment in infrastructure
> such as data centers.
>


No disagreement here. Look to me the problem is deeper.

I would like to know what AFRINIC market analysis is. Membership
performance is best rate against that analyse. Will also be good to know
obstacles so the people in the community that are care can do something to
help.



> Yes while my stats were proven wrong, it still deeply concerns me that
> when I compare our asn allocation stats to that of lacnic (the closest
> comparison to where afrinic and Africa is out of the other RIRs - you find
> that our ASN allocation rate year by year for many years is essentially
> flat - we hit 150 to 160 allocated every year - but there is no compounded
> growth that you see in LACNIC where they are allocation well over a
> thousand asns a year and the allocation numbers have been growing each year.
>
> It is also a concern to me that of the roughly 1600 asns allocated - of
> those less than 1200 are visible in the DFZ.
>


All valid concern. What do you propose should be done about this? I happy
to brainstorm and develop ideas. Maybe AFRINIC or any body else can
implement.



>
> Andrew
>
> Liquid Telecommunications - Group Head Of IP Strategy
>
> --
> *From:* Chevalier du Borg 
> *Sent:* Sunday, December 9, 2018 09:08
> *To:* Andrew Alston
> *Cc:* General Discussions of AFRINIC
> *Subject:* Re: [Community-Discuss] Questions about AfriNIC Allocations
>
>
>
> Le mar. 4 déc. 2018 à 11:26, Andrew Alston <
> andrew.als...@liquidtelecom.com> a écrit :
>
>>
>>
>>
>> As AFRINIC has a mandate to promote Internet growth across the continent,
>> I really think it would be good to understand what their thoughts on this
>> are – and no – before I get jumped on – I am not blaming AFRINIC for the
>> drop – but it certainly does warrant questions being asked.
>>
>
>
> Even though your stat have been prove to be wrong. As former board member
> and current operator, you should know that many small ISP in Africa do not
> meet the "multi-homing" criteria. So there is natural limit to potential
> number of  ASN.
>
>
> I have also meet many small ISP operator who have problem getting simple
> BGP with big operator. Maybe a skill problem for AFRINIC training team and
> AFNOG to address?
>
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Re: [Community-Discuss] Questions about AfriNIC Allocations

2018-12-09 Thread Sunday Folayan 

The COE, GC and Board are all bound by the same NDA.

It is wrong to say that the NDA is the sword of Damocles dangling on 
Andrew, preventing him from salvaging AfriNIC from the savages on the 
Board.


For the records, I did ask the Board for permission to bare my mind to 
some investigations committee in the past, and it was granted.


Andrew,

Please ask the Board for the permission to disclose the contents of the 
closet to the community,  through the GC. If the Board the refuses, then 
there is some basis for your veiled and sustained "Pull them down" 
statements.


For now,  I submit that Board members are volunteers doing a job that a 
few are willing to do, for the fear of being maligned by veiled 
statements and innuendos. I stand by the fact that volunteers should not 
be made to look evil in any way.


Maybe some volunteers have their volunteer activities well woven into 
their pay checks, I love to have such a job!


Sunday.

On Sun, Dec 9, 2018, 09:02 Chevalier du Borg  wrote:




   Le mar. 4 déc. 2018 à 23:37, Andrew Alston
   mailto:andrew.als...@liquidtelecom.com>> a écrit :

   Seun,

   Firstly – my beliefs on the board process and the workings of
   the board are mine – and my opinions are my opinions – and there
   is nothing that stops me stating that in my **opinion** things
   are **deeply** flawed – and that I am prohibited from clarifying
   WHY I hope those opinions.  The counter argument to what you say
   is simple – if things ARENT problematic – then waiver the NDA –
   you should have nothing to hide.



   Dear AFRINIC board


   So long as ex-member of board keep insisting there is something
   wrong, this community (or part of it) will not trust you. That is
   not good for this community, or to AFRINIC. Maybe you really should
   suspend NDA for Andrew so we can clear this up.


   At least even if he don't send his concern to community,  suspend
   NDA so he may raise concern to gouvenance committee and or council
   of elder.


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Re: [Community-Discuss] Questions about AfriNIC Allocations

2018-12-09 Thread Badru Ntege 
 

 

 

From: Chevalier du Borg 
Date: Sunday, December 9, 2018 at 11:06 AM
To: Andrew Alston 
Cc: General Discussions of AFRINIC 
Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] Questions about AfriNIC Allocations

 

 

Le mar. 4 déc. 2018 à 23:37, Andrew Alston  a 
écrit :

Seun,

 

Firstly – my beliefs on the board process and the workings of the board are 
mine – and my opinions are my opinions – and there is nothing that stops me 
stating that in my *opinion* things are *deeply* flawed – and that I am 
prohibited from clarifying WHY I hope those opinions.  The counter argument to 
what you say is simple – if things ARENT problematic – then waiver the NDA – 
you should have nothing to hide.

 

 

Dear AFRINIC board

 

 

So long as ex-member of board keep insisting there is something wrong, this 
community (or part of it) will not trust you. That is not good for this 
community, or to AFRINIC. Maybe you really should suspend NDA for Andrew so we 
can clear this up.

 

 

Lets not forget NDA was Andrews baby and he used quite successfully alongside 
the Mauritian law to get away with a number of misdeamenors during his time on 
board.

 

I obviously can’t say more since its protected by the NDA ☺ 

 

 

 

At least even if he don't send his concern to community,  suspend NDA so he may 
raise concern to gouvenance committee and or council of elder. 

 

 

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Re: [Community-Discuss] Questions about AfriNIC Allocations

2018-12-09 Thread Willy MANGA 
Hi,

Le 09/12/2018 à 09:09, Chevalier du Borg a écrit :
> [...]> I have also meet many small ISP operator who have problem getting 
> simple
> BGP with big operator. Maybe a skill problem for AFRINIC training team and
> AFNOG to address?

In addition (small) enterprise customers and universities at least in my
area think that when you buy an access to the internet for all your
offices, it's enough. They don't even know they can request their own
resources: IP addresses and further in some cases ASN.

Even when they are aware, they think these resources is a matter of ISP
only.

They don't realise they can peer with other networks they use to work on
a daily basis (through exchange points).

Last issue is regulators and governments who sometimes don't encourage
enough actors to have their own resources.

Check vizAS [1] ; charts speak for themselves especially for many
african countries.

1. http://labs.apnic.net/vizas/index.html

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Re: [Community-Discuss] Questions about AfriNIC Allocations

2018-12-09 Thread S Moonesamy 

Dear Andrew,
At 12:25 AM 09-12-2018, Andrew Alston wrote:
In order for the internet environment to thrive we need the 
potential for large scale interconnection that is predicated on 
companies having asns - and this includes enterprise customers 
across all sectors.


Interconnection and free traffic exchange is critical to the growth 
of the internet industry and our goals of getting to a majority of 
content being exchanged directly on the continent.  It is also 
critical to build the critical mass, a requirement to justify the 
investment in infrastructure such as data centers.


Yes while my stats were proven wrong, it still deeply concerns me 
that when I compare our asn allocation stats to that of lacnic (the 
closest comparison to where afrinic and Africa is out of the other 
RIRs - you find that our ASN allocation rate year by year for many 
years is essentially flat - we hit 150 to 160 allocated every year - 
but there is no compounded growth that you see in LACNIC where they 
are allocation well over a thousand asns a year and the allocation 
numbers have been growing each year.


It is also a concern to me that of the roughly 1600 asns allocated - 
of those less than 1200 are visible in the DFZ.


Intra-regional traffic, with some exceptions, is relatively low.  As 
mentioned above, it makes it difficult to justify the investment in 
infrastructure if there isn't a demand.  I doubt that there would be 
significant traffic if there is investment to build infrastructure, 
e.g. a data center, as it requires more than that for an ecosystem to flourish.


One of the objectives of an (expired) IPv4 proposal was to review the 
existing policy and assess whether it might have a negative impact on 
the growth of networks in the service region.  It is too late to do 
anything about that as the service region has entered the IPv4 
exhaustion phase.


As at 30 September, there were 1,705 ASNs assigned by Afrinic and 
8,698 ASNs assigned by Lacnic.  As at 8 December, there were 1,228 
(Afrinic-assigned) ASNs and 7,454 (Lacnic-assigned) ASNs visible 
[1].  The yearly rate has not change significantly since 2012.


Regards,
S. Moonesamy

1. I did not verify the figures. 



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Re: [Community-Discuss] Questions about AfriNIC Allocations

2018-12-09 Thread Andrew Alston 
The concern here is not about ISPs getting asns - it is deeper than that.

In order for the internet environment to thrive we need the potential for large 
scale interconnection that is predicated on companies having asns - and this 
includes enterprise customers across all sectors.

Interconnection and free traffic exchange is critical to the growth of the 
internet industry and our goals of getting to a majority of content being 
exchanged directly on the continent.  It is also critical to build the critical 
mass, a requirement to justify the investment in infrastructure such as data 
centers.

Yes while my stats were proven wrong, it still deeply concerns me that when I 
compare our asn allocation stats to that of lacnic (the closest comparison to 
where afrinic and Africa is out of the other RIRs - you find that our ASN 
allocation rate year by year for many years is essentially flat - we hit 150 to 
160 allocated every year - but there is no compounded growth that you see in 
LACNIC where they are allocation well over a thousand asns a year and the 
allocation numbers have been growing each year.

It is also a concern to me that of the roughly 1600 asns allocated - of those 
less than 1200 are visible in the DFZ.

Andrew

Liquid Telecommunications - Group Head Of IP Strategy


From: Chevalier du Borg 
Sent: Sunday, December 9, 2018 09:08
To: Andrew Alston
Cc: General Discussions of AFRINIC
Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] Questions about AfriNIC Allocations



Le mar. 4 déc. 2018 à 11:26, Andrew Alston 
mailto:andrew.als...@liquidtelecom.com>> a 
écrit :


As AFRINIC has a mandate to promote Internet growth across the continent, I 
really think it would be good to understand what their thoughts on this are – 
and no – before I get jumped on – I am not blaming AFRINIC for the drop – but 
it certainly does warrant questions being asked.


Even though your stat have been prove to be wrong. As former board member and 
current operator, you should know that many small ISP in Africa do not meet the 
"multi-homing" criteria. So there is natural limit to potential number of  ASN.


I have also meet many small ISP operator who have problem getting simple BGP 
with big operator. Maybe a skill problem for AFRINIC training team and AFNOG to 
address?

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Re: [Community-Discuss] Questions about AfriNIC Allocations

2018-12-09 Thread Chevalier du Borg 
Le mar. 4 déc. 2018 à 11:26, Andrew Alston 
a écrit :

>
>
>
> As AFRINIC has a mandate to promote Internet growth across the continent,
> I really think it would be good to understand what their thoughts on this
> are – and no – before I get jumped on – I am not blaming AFRINIC for the
> drop – but it certainly does warrant questions being asked.
>


Even though your stat have been prove to be wrong. As former board member
and current operator, you should know that many small ISP in Africa do not
meet the "multi-homing" criteria. So there is natural limit to potential
number of  ASN.


I have also meet many small ISP operator who have problem getting simple
BGP with big operator. Maybe a skill problem for AFRINIC training team and
AFNOG to address?

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Re: [Community-Discuss] Questions about AfriNIC Allocations

2018-12-09 Thread Chevalier du Borg 
Le mar. 4 déc. 2018 à 23:37, Andrew Alston 
a écrit :

> Seun,
>
>
>
> Firstly – my beliefs on the board process and the workings of the board
> are mine – and my opinions are my opinions – and there is nothing that
> stops me stating that in my **opinion** things are **deeply** flawed –
> and that I am prohibited from clarifying WHY I hope those opinions.  The
> counter argument to what you say is simple – if things ARENT problematic –
> then waiver the NDA – you should have nothing to hide.
>


Dear AFRINIC board


So long as ex-member of board keep insisting there is something wrong, this
community (or part of it) will not trust you. That is not good for this
community, or to AFRINIC. Maybe you really should suspend NDA for Andrew so
we can clear this up.


At least even if he don't send his concern to community,  suspend NDA so he
may raise concern to gouvenance committee and or council of elder.


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Re: [Community-Discuss] Questions about AfriNIC Allocations

2018-12-08 Thread Alan Barrett 


> On 4 Dec 2018, at 17:07, Andrew Alston  
> wrote:
> 
> That’s well interesting.
>  
> Yesterday – I pulled the afrinic-delegated-latest file – and it seems the 
> latest link wasn’t updated or something, because the stats in the delegated 
> file that I pulled yesterday – were VERY different from the latest file that 
> I pulled today.
>  
> I’m pulling all the actual dated files now rather than the linked ones and 
> will re-run the stats

Dear Andrew,

AFRINIC has found no indication of a problem with publishing the stats files in 
recent days.

We have checked several recent files from 
http://ftp.afrinic.net/stats/afrinic/2018/, and see the following numbers of 
ASN allocations:

~ grep -E "asn.*1.*2018" delegated-afrinic-20181201 | wc -l
 162
~ grep -E "asn.*1.*2018" delegated-afrinic-20181202 | wc -l
 162
~ grep -E "asn.*1.*2018" delegated-afrinic-20181203 | wc -l
 162
~ grep -E "asn.*1.*2018" delegated-afrinic-20181204 | wc -l
 163

The delegated-afrinic-latest file is a link to one of the numbered files, and 
the link is updated only after the new file has been put into place.

Regards,

Alan Barrett



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Re: [Community-Discuss] Questions about AfriNIC Allocations

2018-12-04 Thread Frank Habicht 

On 05/12/2018 00:39, ALAIN AINA wrote:

Use different source: https://afrinic.net/stats/asn


thanks.
Frank


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Re: [Community-Discuss] Questions about AfriNIC Allocations

2018-12-04 Thread Uffa Modey via Community-Discuss 
+1 @ Badru
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Re: [Community-Discuss] Questions about AfriNIC Allocations

2018-12-04 Thread ALAIN AINA 


> On 4 Dec 2018, at 19:32, Komi Elitcha  wrote:
> 
> Andrew,
> 
> 
> Le 04/12/2018 à 16:43, Andrew Alston a écrit :
>> Komi,
>>  
>>  
>> Therefore – if a link is broken or pointing at the wrong data – these things 
>> happen – I double checked it against a file called delegated-afrinic-latest 
>> – downloaded yesterday on the 3rd of December – so – quite frankly – it is 
>> what it is.
> What does "cross-check" means according to you? I have not said "double check”


Use different source: https://afrinic.net/stats/asn 
<https://afrinic.net/stats/asn>

—Alain
> 
>> 
>> Andrew
>>  
>>  
>> From: Komi Elitcha  <mailto:kmw.elit...@gmail.com>
>> Date: Tuesday, 4 December 2018 at 19:34
>> To: Andrew Alston  
>> <mailto:andrew.als...@liquidtelecom.com>, "community-discuss@afrinic.net" 
>> <mailto:community-discuss@afrinic.net>  
>> <mailto:community-discuss@afrinic.net>
>> Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] Questions about AfriNIC Allocations
>>  
>> Andrew,
>> Could you please cross check your data  next time before alarming the world? 
>> Always trying to make the organization  looks bad  does not  serve  anybody. 
>> We expect high standard from former board members...
>> 
>> Thanks.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>>  
>> Le 04/12/2018 à 13:07, Andrew Alston a écrit :
>> That’s well interesting.
>>  
>> Yesterday – I pulled the afrinic-delegated-latest file – and it seems the 
>> latest link wasn’t updated or something, because the stats in the delegated 
>> file that I pulled yesterday – were VERY different from the latest file that 
>> I pulled today.
>>  
>> I’m pulling all the actual dated files now rather than the linked ones and 
>> will re-run the stats
>>  
>> Andrew
>>  
>>  
>> From: Frank Habicht  <mailto:ge...@geier.ne.tz> 
>> Sent: 04 December 2018 15:55
>> To: community-discuss@afrinic.net <mailto:community-discuss@afrinic.net>
>> Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] Questions about AfriNIC Allocations
>>  
>> Hi,
>> see inline
>> 
>> On 04/12/2018 15:10, S Moonesamy wrote:
>> > Hi Andrew,
>> > At 11:24 PM 03-12-2018, Andrew Alston wrote:
>> >> Now – I realize this is still early December 2018 – but we’re almost 
>> >> at the end of the year and unless there are a LOT of ASN’s about to be 
>> >> issued – I see that AFRINIC is running at a lower ASN allocation rate 
>> >> across the continent than at any year since 2009:
>> >>
>> >> 2009: 82
>> >> 2010: 113
>> >> 2011: 109
>> >> 2012: 128
>> >> 2013: 155
>> >> 2014: 134
>> >> 2015: 151
>> >> 2016: 166
>> >> 2017: 152
>> >> 2018: 99
>> > 
>> > Thanks for sharing the statistics.  I took a quick look at the 
>> > information which is published.   The results were as follows:
>> > 
>> >   2015: 152
>> >   2016: 165
>> >   2017: 152
>> >   2018: 162
>> 
>> since this is a democracy, I vote for 163.
>> 
>> [frank@fisi ~]$ egrep '\|asn\|[0-9]+\|[0-9]+\|2018[0-9]{4}\|' 
>> delegated-afrinic-extended-20181204 | wc -l
>> 163
>> [frank@fisi ~]$
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> >> As AFRINIC has a mandate to promote Internet growth across the 
>> >> continent, I really think it would be good to understand what their 
>> >> thoughts on this are – and no – before I get jumped on – I am not 
>> >> blaming AFRINIC for the drop – but it certainly does warrant questions 
>> >> being asked.
>> > 
>> > In my opinion, if there was a drop, it would be good to understand what 
>> > happened.
>> 
>> 
>> Agenda item 1:
>> was there a drop?
>> 
>> 
>> Frank
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Re: [Community-Discuss] Questions about AfriNIC Allocations

2018-12-04 Thread Seun Ojedeji 
Hello Andrew,

Let me attempt to respond to one of your comment which I think you continue
to repeat:

Sent from my mobile
Kindly excuse brevity and typos

On Tue, 4 Dec 2018, 17:44 Andrew Alston   and other than the fact that I am bound by an NDA which prevents me
> revealing so many things I would love to talk about –
>

SO: As one who served with you on the Board, and while I acknowledge that
there is always room for improvement on Board operations,  I encourage you
to stop giving an impression that there are highly bad things on the Board
that NDA has prevented you from saying.

As I have told you in the past and will repeat once again, if your goal and
intention is indeed to have a better AFRINIC and if communicating that
through public list may impact upon your NDA, please feel free to send them
directly to the Board.

Regards

>
>
> Andrew
>
>
>
>
>
> *From: *Komi Elitcha 
> *Date: *Tuesday, 4 December 2018 at 19:34
> *To: *Andrew Alston , "
> community-discuss@afrinic.net" 
> *Subject: *Re: [Community-Discuss] Questions about AfriNIC Allocations
>
>
>
> Andrew,
> Could you please cross check your data  next time before alarming the
> world? Always trying to make the organization  looks bad  does not  serve
> anybody. We expect high standard from former board members...
>
> Thanks.
>
>
>
>
>
> Le 04/12/2018 à 13:07, Andrew Alston a écrit :
>
> That’s well interesting.
>
>
>
> Yesterday – I pulled the afrinic-delegated-latest file – and it seems the
> latest link wasn’t updated or something, because the stats in the delegated
> file that I pulled yesterday – were VERY different from the latest file
> that I pulled today.
>
>
>
> I’m pulling all the actual dated files now rather than the linked ones and
> will re-run the stats
>
>
>
> Andrew
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Frank Habicht  
> *Sent:* 04 December 2018 15:55
> *To:* community-discuss@afrinic.net
> *Subject:* Re: [Community-Discuss] Questions about AfriNIC Allocations
>
>
>
> Hi,
> see inline
>
> On 04/12/2018 15:10, S Moonesamy wrote:
> > Hi Andrew,
> > At 11:24 PM 03-12-2018, Andrew Alston wrote:
> >> Now – I realize this is still early December 2018 – but we’re almost
> >> at the end of the year and unless there are a LOT of ASN’s about to be
> >> issued – I see that AFRINIC is running at a lower ASN allocation rate
> >> across the continent than at any year since 2009:
> >>
> >> 2009: 82
> >> 2010: 113
> >> 2011: 109
> >> 2012: 128
> >> 2013: 155
> >> 2014: 134
> >> 2015: 151
> >> 2016: 166
> >> 2017: 152
> >> 2018: 99
> >
> > Thanks for sharing the statistics.  I took a quick look at the
> > information which is published.   The results were as follows:
> >
> >   2015: 152
> >   2016: 165
> >   2017: 152
> >   2018: 162
>
> since this is a democracy, I vote for 163.
>
> [frank@fisi ~]$ egrep '\|asn\|[0-9]+\|[0-9]+\|2018[0-9]{4}\|'
> delegated-afrinic-extended-20181204 | wc -l
> 163
> [frank@fisi ~]$
>
>
>
> >> As AFRINIC has a mandate to promote Internet growth across the
> >> continent, I really think it would be good to understand what their
> >> thoughts on this are – and no – before I get jumped on – I am not
> >> blaming AFRINIC for the drop – but it certainly does warrant questions
> >> being asked.
> >
> > In my opinion, if there was a drop, it would be good to understand what
> > happened.
>
>
> Agenda item 1:
> was there a drop?
>
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Re: [Community-Discuss] Questions about AfriNIC Allocations

2018-12-04 Thread Andrew Alston 
Komi,

Let me be blunt – I downloaded a file from the AFRINIC ftp server – I have a 
*date stamped file* with the data of the transfer on it – from last night – I 
processed my data against the AFRINIC LATEST delegated file.  Today – when it 
was said to me – the numbers don’t match – I downloaded the new latest file – 
and got new data and checked it.  AfriNIC staff are more than free to confirm 
from the FTP logs that I pulled the latest file to do the data processing I did 
when I said I did – I will happily give them the IP I downloaded from off list.

Therefore – if a link is broken or pointing at the wrong data – these things 
happen – I double checked it against a file called delegated-afrinic-latest – 
downloaded yesterday on the 3rd of December – so – quite frankly – it is what 
it is.

Let me also address something else you said – you expect more from former board 
members.  Let me be VERY clear here – I am a member of this community – and I 
carry the votes for members – beyond that – my time on the board is over – and 
other than the fact that I am bound by an NDA which prevents me revealing so 
many things I would love to talk about – I do not believe that my status as a 
former board member has any relevance in any participation I make since the day 
I left the board.  So please – do not even TRY and hold that one over my head – 
it doesn’t hold any water with me.

Andrew


From: Komi Elitcha 
Date: Tuesday, 4 December 2018 at 19:34
To: Andrew Alston , 
"community-discuss@afrinic.net" 
Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] Questions about AfriNIC Allocations


Andrew,
Could you please cross check your data  next time before alarming the world? 
Always trying to make the organization  looks bad  does not  serve  anybody. We 
expect high standard from former board members...

Thanks.



Le 04/12/2018 à 13:07, Andrew Alston a écrit :
That’s well interesting.

Yesterday – I pulled the afrinic-delegated-latest file – and it seems the 
latest link wasn’t updated or something, because the stats in the delegated 
file that I pulled yesterday – were VERY different from the latest file that I 
pulled today.

I’m pulling all the actual dated files now rather than the linked ones and will 
re-run the stats

Andrew


From: Frank Habicht <mailto:ge...@geier.ne.tz>
Sent: 04 December 2018 15:55
To: community-discuss@afrinic.net<mailto:community-discuss@afrinic.net>
Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] Questions about AfriNIC Allocations

Hi,
see inline

On 04/12/2018 15:10, S Moonesamy wrote:
> Hi Andrew,
> At 11:24 PM 03-12-2018, Andrew Alston wrote:
>> Now – I realize this is still early December 2018 – but we’re almost
>> at the end of the year and unless there are a LOT of ASN’s about to be
>> issued – I see that AFRINIC is running at a lower ASN allocation rate
>> across the continent than at any year since 2009:
>>
>> 2009: 82
>> 2010: 113
>> 2011: 109
>> 2012: 128
>> 2013: 155
>> 2014: 134
>> 2015: 151
>> 2016: 166
>> 2017: 152
>> 2018: 99
>
> Thanks for sharing the statistics.  I took a quick look at the
> information which is published.   The results were as follows:
>
>   2015: 152
>   2016: 165
>   2017: 152
>   2018: 162

since this is a democracy, I vote for 163.

[frank@fisi ~]$ egrep '\|asn\|[0-9]+\|[0-9]+\|2018[0-9]{4}\|'
delegated-afrinic-extended-20181204 | wc -l
163
[frank@fisi ~]$



>> As AFRINIC has a mandate to promote Internet growth across the
>> continent, I really think it would be good to understand what their
>> thoughts on this are – and no – before I get jumped on – I am not
>> blaming AFRINIC for the drop – but it certainly does warrant questions
>> being asked.
>
> In my opinion, if there was a drop, it would be good to understand what
> happened.


Agenda item 1:
was there a drop?


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Re: [Community-Discuss] Questions about AfriNIC Allocations

2018-12-04 Thread Komi Elitcha 
Andrew,
Could you please cross check your data  next time before alarming the
world? Always trying to make the organization  looks bad  does not 
serve  anybody. We expect high standard from former board members...

Thanks.



Le 04/12/2018 à 13:07, Andrew Alston a écrit :
>
> That’s well interesting.
>
>  
>
> Yesterday – I pulled the afrinic-delegated-latest file – and it seems
> the latest link wasn’t updated or something, because the stats in the
> delegated file that I pulled yesterday – were VERY different from the
> latest file that I pulled today.
>
>  
>
> I’m pulling all the actual dated files now rather than the linked ones
> and will re-run the stats
>
>  
>
> Andrew
>
>  
>
>  
>
> *From:*Frank Habicht 
> *Sent:* 04 December 2018 15:55
> *To:* community-discuss@afrinic.net
> *Subject:* Re: [Community-Discuss] Questions about AfriNIC Allocations
>
>  
>
> Hi,
> see inline
>
> On 04/12/2018 15:10, S Moonesamy wrote:
> > Hi Andrew,
> > At 11:24 PM 03-12-2018, Andrew Alston wrote:
> >> Now – I realize this is still early December 2018 – but we’re almost
> >> at the end of the year and unless there are a LOT of ASN’s about to be
> >> issued – I see that AFRINIC is running at a lower ASN allocation rate
> >> across the continent than at any year since 2009:
> >>
> >> 2009: 82
> >> 2010: 113
> >> 2011: 109
> >> 2012: 128
> >> 2013: 155
> >> 2014: 134
> >> 2015: 151
> >> 2016: 166
> >> 2017: 152
> >> 2018: 99
> >
> > Thanks for sharing the statistics.  I took a quick look at the
> > information which is published.   The results were as follows:
> >
> >   2015: 152
> >   2016: 165
> >   2017: 152
> >   2018: 162
>
> since this is a democracy, I vote for 163.
>
> [frank@fisi ~]$ egrep '\|asn\|[0-9]+\|[0-9]+\|2018[0-9]{4}\|'
> delegated-afrinic-extended-20181204 | wc -l
> 163
> [frank@fisi ~]$
>
>
>
> >> As AFRINIC has a mandate to promote Internet growth across the
> >> continent, I really think it would be good to understand what their
> >> thoughts on this are – and no – before I get jumped on – I am not
> >> blaming AFRINIC for the drop – but it certainly does warrant questions
> >> being asked.
> >
> > In my opinion, if there was a drop, it would be good to understand what
> > happened.
>
>
> Agenda item 1:
> was there a drop?
>
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Re: [Community-Discuss] Questions about AfriNIC Allocations

2018-12-04 Thread S Moonesamy 

Hi Frank,
At 04:55 AM 04-12-2018, Frank Habicht wrote:

since this is a democracy, I vote for 163.


I'll comment below.


Agenda item 1:
was there a drop?


Based on the numbers which both of us got, I would conclude that 
there wasn't a drop in 2018.


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Re: [Community-Discuss] Questions about AfriNIC Allocations

2018-12-04 Thread Andrew Alston 
That’s well interesting.

Yesterday – I pulled the afrinic-delegated-latest file – and it seems the 
latest link wasn’t updated or something, because the stats in the delegated 
file that I pulled yesterday – were VERY different from the latest file that I 
pulled today.

I’m pulling all the actual dated files now rather than the linked ones and will 
re-run the stats

Andrew


From: Frank Habicht 
Sent: 04 December 2018 15:55
To: community-discuss@afrinic.net
Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] Questions about AfriNIC Allocations

Hi,
see inline

On 04/12/2018 15:10, S Moonesamy wrote:
> Hi Andrew,
> At 11:24 PM 03-12-2018, Andrew Alston wrote:
>> Now – I realize this is still early December 2018 – but we’re almost
>> at the end of the year and unless there are a LOT of ASN’s about to be
>> issued – I see that AFRINIC is running at a lower ASN allocation rate
>> across the continent than at any year since 2009:
>>
>> 2009: 82
>> 2010: 113
>> 2011: 109
>> 2012: 128
>> 2013: 155
>> 2014: 134
>> 2015: 151
>> 2016: 166
>> 2017: 152
>> 2018: 99
>
> Thanks for sharing the statistics.  I took a quick look at the
> information which is published.   The results were as follows:
>
>   2015: 152
>   2016: 165
>   2017: 152
>   2018: 162

since this is a democracy, I vote for 163.

[frank@fisi ~]$ egrep '\|asn\|[0-9]+\|[0-9]+\|2018[0-9]{4}\|'
delegated-afrinic-extended-20181204 | wc -l
163
[frank@fisi ~]$



>> As AFRINIC has a mandate to promote Internet growth across the
>> continent, I really think it would be good to understand what their
>> thoughts on this are – and no – before I get jumped on – I am not
>> blaming AFRINIC for the drop – but it certainly does warrant questions
>> being asked.
>
> In my opinion, if there was a drop, it would be good to understand what
> happened.


Agenda item 1:
was there a drop?


Frank

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Re: [Community-Discuss] Questions about AfriNIC Allocations

2018-12-04 Thread Frank Habicht 

Hi,
see inline

On 04/12/2018 15:10, S Moonesamy wrote:

Hi Andrew,
At 11:24 PM 03-12-2018, Andrew Alston wrote:
Now – I realize this is still early December 2018 – but we’re almost 
at the end of the year and unless there are a LOT of ASN’s about to be 
issued – I see that AFRINIC is running at a lower ASN allocation rate 
across the continent than at any year since 2009:


2009: 82
2010: 113
2011: 109
2012: 128
2013: 155
2014: 134
2015: 151
2016: 166
2017: 152
2018: 99


Thanks for sharing the statistics.  I took a quick look at the 
information which is published.   The results were as follows:


   2015: 152
   2016: 165
   2017: 152
   2018: 162


since this is a democracy, I vote for 163.

[frank@fisi ~]$ egrep '\|asn\|[0-9]+\|[0-9]+\|2018[0-9]{4}\|' 
delegated-afrinic-extended-20181204 | wc -l

163
[frank@fisi ~]$



As AFRINIC has a mandate to promote Internet growth across the 
continent, I really think it would be good to understand what their 
thoughts on this are – and no – before I get jumped on – I am not 
blaming AFRINIC for the drop – but it certainly does warrant questions 
being asked.


In my opinion, if there was a drop, it would be good to understand what 
happened.



Agenda item 1:
was there a drop?


Frank

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Re: [Community-Discuss] Questions about AfriNIC Allocations

2018-12-04 Thread S Moonesamy 

Hi Andrew,
At 11:24 PM 03-12-2018, Andrew Alston wrote:
Now – I realize this is still early December 
2018 – but we’re almost at the end of the year 
and unless there are a LOT of ASN’s about to be 
issued – I see that AFRINIC is running at a 
lower ASN allocation rate across the continent than at any year since 2009:


2009: 82
2010: 113
2011: 109
2012: 128
2013: 155
2014: 134
2015: 151
2016: 166
2017: 152
2018: 99


Thanks for sharing the statistics.  I took a 
quick look at the information which is 
published.   The results were as follows:


  2015: 152
  2016: 165
  2017: 152
  2018: 162

As AFRINIC has a mandate to promote Internet 
growth across the continent, I really think it 
would be good to understand what their thoughts 
on this are – and no – before I get jumped on – 
I am not blaming AFRINIC for the drop – but it 
certainly does warrant questions being asked.


In my opinion, if there was a drop, it would be 
good to understand what happened.


Regards,
S. Moonesamy 



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