Re: [SPAM] Re: [computer-go] Mathematical Go
You can see and hear Elwyn Berlekamp delivering a 2006 talk about Mathematics and Go (culminating in a discussion of coupon go) at: http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=005B561126D6A51E . Thanks a lot for pointing out this very interesting video. Seemingly, the nice historical discussion is not in the book ? (not sure of that, I just did not find it on the google-books version) For an overview of the book, google-books provides the introduction and overview (just google-books berlekamp wolfe). Someone knows a written reference with contents similar to this video and in particular the historical aspects ? ___ computer-go mailing list computer-go@computer-go.org http://www.computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go/
Re: [computer-go] territory scoring rules
Thanks, I looked at http://home.snafu.de/jasiek/j2003 and its commentary http://home.snafu.de/jasiek/j2003com.html and found the rules confusing. to start the terms capturable-1 2 and 3 are confusing. a string that is capturable-1 or 2 is ALIVE. while capturable has the connotation of being dead (what does apply to capturable 3) just renaming it to semi-uncapturable-1 2 and capturable 3 would allready be a great improvement. Some sentences are just confusing: A player's final-string is capturable-1 if * it is not uncapturable and * the opponent cannot - with the same hypothetical-strategy - force both capture of the string's stones and no local-1 permanent-stone of the player. what is the meaning of no local-1 permanent-stone of the player the sentence just doesn't flow. probably the whole sentence can be replaced by * the opponent cannot - with the same hypothetical-strategy - force both capture of the string's stones and prevent any local-1 permanent-stone of the player. Capturable 3 is a interesting construction. (but it took some time to figure it out) It may not exsist at the end of the game ( direct ko rule) And it is a dead string. (if it does exsist at the end of the game) Am i correct that according to these rules the torazu sanmoku http://senseis.xmp.net/?TorazuSanmoku + - - - - - | + # O O + | O O # O + | O O # O + | # # # + O | + + + # + white is alive (captured-1) and black is dead (captured-3) so black is better of capturing white I am wondering how to implement these rules in a program. mayb: Search for the best move using area rules. game ends with 2 or 3 passes (to include ko passes) score according territory rules What happens if i pass. (let the opponent play instead of the player) if the scores are the same pass instead of play. I was thinking of implementing the new japanese rules http://home.snafu.de/jasiek/naj.html instead . But are they the easiest to implement territory rules? On Mon, Nov 23, 2009 at 11:11 AM, Robert Jasiek jas...@snafu.de wrote: Willemien wrote: can somebody give me ideas, links and other information on how to program (Japanese) territory scoring rules? Read all the Japanese style rulesets here: http://home.snafu.de/jasiek/rules.html In particular, the Japanese 2003 Rules come the closest. For a start, you can ignore capturable-2 and capturable-3 though because they are needed only scarcely. Of course, you will need to develop algorithms for partial selections of sets of hypothetical-sequences and of hypothetical-strategies. How to decide that the game is over. Score the current position as if it were the final-position and compare it to the scores of your tree-search leaves' final-positions and a min-max on it. If they are equal, the game is over. How to decide what is teire (moves that costs the player points but don't need to be played because there are still neutral unoccupied points. A general definition of teire is still missing. As a pretty good approximation, implement the Japanese 2003 Rules to determine status, eye-points and dame. Then virtually fill the dame and your program sees the teire. How to decide what is a seki and other rule beasts. and maybe other problems related to this field. Use the Japanese 2003 Rules, and Types of Basic Kos http://home.snafu.de/jasiek/ko_types.pdf (note that I am currently correcting the definitions for active / inactive disturbing life to refer to two-eye-formation instead of uncapturable life) and External versus Internal Ko http://home.snafu.de/jasiek/external.pdf * As you will notice very quickly, correct determination of all would be extremely tedious. So you will need to make compromises. The ultimate compromise (and simplification of your programming work) is reduction to Area Scoring and then adjustment of at least the most frequent differences: http://home.snafu.de/jasiek/diffasts.html http://home.snafu.de/jasiek/asintro.pdf -- robert jasiek ___ computer-go mailing list computer-go@computer-go.org http://www.computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go/ ___ computer-go mailing list computer-go@computer-go.org http://www.computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go/
Re: [computer-go] Live broadcasting at UEC Cup
Thanks for the early report! (I was sorry not to see Fudo Go in the tournament. Were you involved with any of the other teams?) Here are the second day knockout tournament unofficial results. Any mistakes are my own. Thanks to the organizers for the live screencast! 1 KCC Igo 2 Katsunari 3 Zen 4 Shikousakugo 5 Many Faces of Go 6 Erica 7 Kiseki 8 Galileo (upset Crazy Stone, due to a Chinese/Japanese rules mismatch) 9 Crazy Stone 10 Aya 11 GOGATAKI 12 Rock 13 Nomitan 14 Kinoa Igo 15 Boon 16 Kerebos Also, several exhibition matches were held (Zen beat Crazy Stone, and MFGO beat Aya). I did not stay up for the two professional exhibition games. Ian On Nov 28, 2009, at 5:42 AM, Hideki Kato wrote: You can watch some interesting games and exhibition games on the second day of the third UEC Cup at http://jsb.cs.uec.ac.jp/~igo/eng/broadcast.html. Schedule: http://jsb.cs.uec.ac.jp/~igo/eng/schedule.html Unofficial quick results of the first day: pos program win-lose-draw 1 Zen 6-0-0 2 Nomitan 5-1-0 3 KCC Igo 5-1-0 4 Kinoa Igo 5-1-0 5 GOGATAKI 4-1-1 6 Shikosakugo 4-2-0 7 Erica 4-2-0 8 Aya 4-2-0 9 Kiseki4-2-0 10 Rock 4-2-0 11 boon 3-2-1 12 Kerberos 3-3-0 13 Galileo 3-3-0 --- cut line to the second day --- 14 Island 3-3-0 15 caren3-3-0 16 PerStone 3-3-0 17 Tombo3-3-0 18 Sango alpha 3-3-0 19 Igoppi 2-4-0 20 Boozer 2-4-0 21 Kasumi 2-4-0 22 ME_arc 2-4-0 23 Mayoigo 2-4-0 24 Martha 2-4-0 25 Njarahojara 1-5-0 26 kudok1-5-0 27 Gekishin 0-6-0 28 Sanshine 0-6-0 Solkoff and SB are omitted. Seeded programs to the second day: 1 Crazy Stone 2 Many Faces of Go 3 Katsunari The Third UEC Cup: http://jsb.cs.uec.ac.jp/~igo/eng/index.html Short random comments: Aya was unlucky, lost two games against Erica and KCC. Erica gets much stronger by implementing Remi's larger patterns; lost two games by a communication trouble and waisting time by a sleeping laptop. Zen vs. KCC was a close game. Zen uses 512 cores. Hideki -- g...@nue.ci.i.u-tokyo.ac.jp (Kato) ___ computer-go mailing list computer-go@computer-go.org http://www.computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go/ ___ computer-go mailing list computer-go@computer-go.org http://www.computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go/
RE: [computer-go] Live broadcasting at UEC Cup
I watched the pro matches. It looked like a 4 dan beat Zen with 6 stones, and a 9 dan beat KCC with 6 stones. David -Original Message- From: computer-go-boun...@computer-go.org [mailto:computer-go- boun...@computer-go.org] On Behalf Of Ian Osgood Sent: Sunday, November 29, 2009 9:16 AM To: computer-go Subject: Re: [computer-go] Live broadcasting at UEC Cup Thanks for the early report! (I was sorry not to see Fudo Go in the tournament. Were you involved with any of the other teams?) Here are the second day knockout tournament unofficial results. Any mistakes are my own. Thanks to the organizers for the live screencast! 1 KCC Igo 2 Katsunari 3 Zen 4 Shikousakugo 5 Many Faces of Go 6 Erica 7 Kiseki 8 Galileo (upset Crazy Stone, due to a Chinese/Japanese rules mismatch) 9 Crazy Stone 10 Aya 11 GOGATAKI 12 Rock 13 Nomitan 14 Kinoa Igo 15 Boon 16 Kerebos Also, several exhibition matches were held (Zen beat Crazy Stone, and MFGO beat Aya). I did not stay up for the two professional exhibition games. Ian On Nov 28, 2009, at 5:42 AM, Hideki Kato wrote: You can watch some interesting games and exhibition games on the second day of the third UEC Cup at http://jsb.cs.uec.ac.jp/~igo/eng/broadcast.html. Schedule: http://jsb.cs.uec.ac.jp/~igo/eng/schedule.html Unofficial quick results of the first day: pos program win-lose-draw 1 Zen 6-0-0 2 Nomitan 5-1-0 3 KCC Igo 5-1-0 4 Kinoa Igo 5-1-0 5 GOGATAKI 4-1-1 6 Shikosakugo 4-2-0 7 Erica 4-2-0 8 Aya 4-2-0 9 Kiseki4-2-0 10 Rock 4-2-0 11 boon 3-2-1 12 Kerberos 3-3-0 13 Galileo 3-3-0 --- cut line to the second day --- 14 Island 3-3-0 15 caren3-3-0 16 PerStone 3-3-0 17 Tombo3-3-0 18 Sango alpha 3-3-0 19 Igoppi 2-4-0 20 Boozer 2-4-0 21 Kasumi 2-4-0 22 ME_arc 2-4-0 23 Mayoigo 2-4-0 24 Martha 2-4-0 25 Njarahojara 1-5-0 26 kudok1-5-0 27 Gekishin 0-6-0 28 Sanshine 0-6-0 Solkoff and SB are omitted. Seeded programs to the second day: 1 Crazy Stone 2 Many Faces of Go 3 Katsunari The Third UEC Cup: http://jsb.cs.uec.ac.jp/~igo/eng/index.html Short random comments: Aya was unlucky, lost two games against Erica and KCC. Erica gets much stronger by implementing Remi's larger patterns; lost two games by a communication trouble and waisting time by a sleeping laptop. Zen vs. KCC was a close game. Zen uses 512 cores. Hideki -- g...@nue.ci.i.u-tokyo.ac.jp (Kato) ___ computer-go mailing list computer-go@computer-go.org http://www.computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go/ ___ computer-go mailing list computer-go@computer-go.org http://www.computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go/ ___ computer-go mailing list computer-go@computer-go.org http://www.computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go/
Re: [computer-go] territory scoring rules
Willemien wrote: I was thinking of implementing the new japanese rules http://home.snafu.de/jasiek/naj.html instead . But are they the easiest to implement territory rules? What do you want? 1) The closest to real world Japanese rulesets? Use the Japanese 2003 Rules plus some game end procedural handlings. 2) The easiest to implement? Use the Simplified Japanese Rules. I looked at http://home.snafu.de/jasiek/j2003 and its commentary http://home.snafu.de/jasiek/j2003com.html and found the rules confusing. Expect to invest at least 10 or 20 hours to understand them. Motivate yourself by recalling that it took me a decade to construct and write them. to start the terms capturable-1 2 and 3 are confusing. a string that is capturable-1 or 2 is ALIVE. while capturable has the connotation of being dead Think of capturable-1 examples: nakade or snapback. Either is capturable (therefore that name) but also alive. In other rulesets, I used uncapturable-alive and capturable-alive. Here, with different capturable types incl. C3, that would be less practical though, so I use the shorter version. just renaming it to semi-uncapturable-1 2 and capturable 3 would allready be a great improvement. I am happy with the current terms. * the opponent cannot - with the same hypothetical-strategy - force both capture of the string's stones and prevent any local-1 permanent-stone of the player. Stylistically that would be better but these rules are not a competition for best style. Your version requires the definition of the extra term prevent! Of course, this is not difficult to define. But it makes the rules yet longer and introduces yet another term. Capturable 3 is a interesting construction. (but it took some time to figure it out) I needed months for its invention :) C2 and C3, once defined, are elegant constructions though (in the eyes of a mathematician). Am i correct that according to these rules the torazu sanmoku http://senseis.xmp.net/?TorazuSanmoku + - - - - - | + # O O + | O O # O + | O O # O + | # # # + O | + + + # + white is alive (captured-1) and black is dead (captured-3) One of the strings is C1, the other is C2. Study some further sequences and you find out which. game ends with 2 or 3 passes (to include ko passes) No. Rather use three move types: play, pass, ko-pass. -- robert jasiek ___ computer-go mailing list computer-go@computer-go.org http://www.computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go/
Re: [computer-go] Mathematical Go
compgo...@aol.com wrote: It's the only pulication on Go that qualify as science. There are even several Go books that qualify as mathematics. Not to mention hundreds or thousands of files or news messages. In fact, I consider quite some by myself to be science. So I find it funny that you missed them. Perhaps you use a different definition of science? -- robert jasiek ___ computer-go mailing list computer-go@computer-go.org http://www.computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go/
Re: [SPAM] Re: [computer-go] Live broadcasting at UEC Cup
Wow! This is quite surprising to me: 1 KCC Igo 2 Katsunari 3 Zen 4 Shikousakugo 5 Many Faces of Go 6 Erica 7 Kiseki 8 Galileo (upset Crazy Stone, due to a Chinese/Japanese rules mismatch) 9 Crazy Stone 10 Aya There are so many programs stronger than Zen, ManyFaces, CrazyStone and Aya ? There was, as sometimes in the past, a trouble with the communication time or something like that, or there are really so many very strong bots now ? Best regards, Olivier 2009/11/29 Ian Osgood i...@quirkster.com Thanks for the early report! (I was sorry not to see Fudo Go in the tournament. Were you involved with any of the other teams?) Here are the second day knockout tournament unofficial results. Any mistakes are my own. Thanks to the organizers for the live screencast! 1 KCC Igo 2 Katsunari 3 Zen 4 Shikousakugo 5 Many Faces of Go 6 Erica 7 Kiseki 8 Galileo (upset Crazy Stone, due to a Chinese/Japanese rules mismatch) 9 Crazy Stone 10 Aya 11 GOGATAKI 12 Rock 13 Nomitan 14 Kinoa Igo 15 Boon 16 Kerebos Also, several exhibition matches were held (Zen beat Crazy Stone, and MFGO beat Aya). I did not stay up for the two professional exhibition games. Ian On Nov 28, 2009, at 5:42 AM, Hideki Kato wrote: You can watch some interesting games and exhibition games on the second day of the third UEC Cup at http://jsb.cs.uec.ac.jp/~igo/eng/broadcast.htmlhttp://jsb.cs.uec.ac.jp/%7Eigo/eng/broadcast.html . Schedule: http://jsb.cs.uec.ac.jp/~igo/eng/schedule.htmlhttp://jsb.cs.uec.ac.jp/%7Eigo/eng/schedule.html Unofficial quick results of the first day: pos program win-lose-draw 1 Zen 6-0-0 2 Nomitan 5-1-0 3 KCC Igo 5-1-0 4 Kinoa Igo 5-1-0 5 GOGATAKI 4-1-1 6 Shikosakugo 4-2-0 7 Erica 4-2-0 8 Aya 4-2-0 9 Kiseki4-2-0 10 Rock 4-2-0 11 boon 3-2-1 12 Kerberos 3-3-0 13 Galileo 3-3-0 --- cut line to the second day --- 14 Island 3-3-0 15 caren3-3-0 16 PerStone 3-3-0 17 Tombo3-3-0 18 Sango alpha 3-3-0 19 Igoppi 2-4-0 20 Boozer 2-4-0 21 Kasumi 2-4-0 22 ME_arc 2-4-0 23 Mayoigo 2-4-0 24 Martha 2-4-0 25 Njarahojara 1-5-0 26 kudok1-5-0 27 Gekishin 0-6-0 28 Sanshine 0-6-0 Solkoff and SB are omitted. Seeded programs to the second day: 1 Crazy Stone 2 Many Faces of Go 3 Katsunari The Third UEC Cup: http://jsb.cs.uec.ac.jp/~igo/eng/index.htmlhttp://jsb.cs.uec.ac.jp/%7Eigo/eng/index.html Short random comments: Aya was unlucky, lost two games against Erica and KCC. Erica gets much stronger by implementing Remi's larger patterns; lost two games by a communication trouble and waisting time by a sleeping laptop. Zen vs. KCC was a close game. Zen uses 512 cores. Hideki -- g...@nue.ci.i.u-tokyo.ac.jp (Kato) ___ computer-go mailing list computer-go@computer-go.org http://www.computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go/ ___ computer-go mailing list computer-go@computer-go.org http://www.computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go/ -- = Olivier Teytaud (TAO-inria) olivier.teyt...@inria.fr Tel (33)169154231 / Fax (33)169156586 Equipe TAO (Inria-Futurs), LRI, UMR 8623(CNRS - Universite Paris-Sud), bat 490 Universite Paris-Sud 91405 Orsay Cedex France (one of the 56.5 % of french who did not vote for Sarkozy in 2007) ___ computer-go mailing list computer-go@computer-go.org http://www.computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go/
RE: [SPAM] Re: [computer-go] Live broadcasting at UEC Cup
I think it was a single elimination, not a swiss tournament, and I think many of the strong programs were in the same bracket. I think Many Faces lost to KCC in an early round and wasn't paired against the other strong programs. We'll have to wait for the full results to check. David From: computer-go-boun...@computer-go.org [mailto:computer-go-boun...@computer-go.org] On Behalf Of Olivier Teytaud Sent: Sunday, November 29, 2009 10:18 AM To: computer-go Subject: Re: [SPAM] Re: [computer-go] Live broadcasting at UEC Cup Wow! This is quite surprising to me: 1 KCC Igo 2 Katsunari 3 Zen 4 Shikousakugo 5 Many Faces of Go 6 Erica 7 Kiseki 8 Galileo (upset Crazy Stone, due to a Chinese/Japanese rules mismatch) 9 Crazy Stone 10 Aya There are so many programs stronger than Zen, ManyFaces, CrazyStone and Aya ? There was, as sometimes in the past, a trouble with the communication time or something like that, or there are really so many very strong bots now ? Best regards, Olivier 2009/11/29 Ian Osgood i...@quirkster.com Thanks for the early report! (I was sorry not to see Fudo Go in the tournament. Were you involved with any of the other teams?) Here are the second day knockout tournament unofficial results. Any mistakes are my own. Thanks to the organizers for the live screencast! 1 KCC Igo 2 Katsunari 3 Zen 4 Shikousakugo 5 Many Faces of Go 6 Erica 7 Kiseki 8 Galileo (upset Crazy Stone, due to a Chinese/Japanese rules mismatch) 9 Crazy Stone 10 Aya 11 GOGATAKI 12 Rock 13 Nomitan 14 Kinoa Igo 15 Boon 16 Kerebos Also, several exhibition matches were held (Zen beat Crazy Stone, and MFGO beat Aya). I did not stay up for the two professional exhibition games. Ian On Nov 28, 2009, at 5:42 AM, Hideki Kato wrote: You can watch some interesting games and exhibition games on the second day of the third UEC Cup at http://jsb.cs.uec.ac.jp/~igo/eng/broadcast.html http://jsb.cs.uec.ac.jp/%7Eigo/eng/broadcast.html . Schedule: http://jsb.cs.uec.ac.jp/~igo/eng/schedule.html http://jsb.cs.uec.ac.jp/%7Eigo/eng/schedule.html Unofficial quick results of the first day: pos program win-lose-draw 1 Zen 6-0-0 2 Nomitan 5-1-0 3 KCC Igo 5-1-0 4 Kinoa Igo 5-1-0 5 GOGATAKI 4-1-1 6 Shikosakugo 4-2-0 7 Erica 4-2-0 8 Aya 4-2-0 9 Kiseki4-2-0 10 Rock 4-2-0 11 boon 3-2-1 12 Kerberos 3-3-0 13 Galileo 3-3-0 --- cut line to the second day --- 14 Island 3-3-0 15 caren3-3-0 16 PerStone 3-3-0 17 Tombo3-3-0 18 Sango alpha 3-3-0 19 Igoppi 2-4-0 20 Boozer 2-4-0 21 Kasumi 2-4-0 22 ME_arc 2-4-0 23 Mayoigo 2-4-0 24 Martha 2-4-0 25 Njarahojara 1-5-0 26 kudok1-5-0 27 Gekishin 0-6-0 28 Sanshine 0-6-0 Solkoff and SB are omitted. Seeded programs to the second day: 1 Crazy Stone 2 Many Faces of Go 3 Katsunari The Third UEC Cup: http://jsb.cs.uec.ac.jp/~igo/eng/index.html http://jsb.cs.uec.ac.jp/%7Eigo/eng/index.html Short random comments: Aya was unlucky, lost two games against Erica and KCC. Erica gets much stronger by implementing Remi's larger patterns; lost two games by a communication trouble and waisting time by a sleeping laptop. Zen vs. KCC was a close game. Zen uses 512 cores. Hideki -- g...@nue.ci.i.u-tokyo.ac.jp (Kato) ___ computer-go mailing list computer-go@computer-go.org http://www.computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go/ ___ computer-go mailing list computer-go@computer-go.org http://www.computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go/ -- = Olivier Teytaud (TAO-inria) olivier.teyt...@inria.fr Tel (33)169154231 / Fax (33)169156586 Equipe TAO (Inria-Futurs), LRI, UMR 8623(CNRS - Universite Paris-Sud), bat 490 Universite Paris-Sud 91405 Orsay Cedex France (one of the 56.5 % of french who did not vote for Sarkozy in 2007) ___ computer-go mailing list computer-go@computer-go.org http://www.computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go/
Re: [SPAM] Re: [computer-go] Live broadcasting at UEC Cup
Yes, single elimination, so only the top spot is reliable. The Crazy Stone upset definitely changed the character of the final match. Here are the main brackets (again, any mistakes are my own): KCC Igo + Aya Many Faces + boon Zen + Kerberos Erica + Kinoa Igo Katsunari + rock Kiseki + nomitan Shikousakugo + GOGATAKI Galileo + Crazy Stone KCC Igo + Many Faces Zen + Erica Katsunari + Kiseki Shikousakugo + Galileo KCC Igo + Zen Katsunari + Shikousakugo KCC Igo + Katsunari KCC Igo has apparently retooled their engine to keep up with the latest Monte Carlo techniques. They were ready to compete last spring, but were denied entry to the Computer Olympiad. It is rumored that Go+ + is being overhauled; I look forward to seeing it compete again after a seven year hiatus. Ian On Nov 29, 2009, at 10:23 AM, David Fotland wrote: I think it was a single elimination, not a swiss tournament, and I think many of the strong programs were in the same bracket. I think Many Faces lost to KCC in an early round and wasn’t paired against the other strong programs. We’ll have to wait for the full results to check. David From: computer-go-boun...@computer-go.org [mailto:computer-go- boun...@computer-go.org] On Behalf Of Olivier Teytaud Sent: Sunday, November 29, 2009 10:18 AM To: computer-go Subject: Re: [SPAM] Re: [computer-go] Live broadcasting at UEC Cup Wow! This is quite surprising to me: 1 KCC Igo 2 Katsunari 3 Zen 4 Shikousakugo 5 Many Faces of Go 6 Erica 7 Kiseki 8 Galileo (upset Crazy Stone, due to a Chinese/Japanese rules mismatch) 9 Crazy Stone 10 Aya There are so many programs stronger than Zen, ManyFaces, CrazyStone and Aya ? There was, as sometimes in the past, a trouble with the communication time or something like that, or there are really so many very strong bots now ? Best regards, Olivier 2009/11/29 Ian Osgood i...@quirkster.com Thanks for the early report! (I was sorry not to see Fudo Go in the tournament. Were you involved with any of the other teams?) Here are the second day knockout tournament unofficial results. Any mistakes are my own. Thanks to the organizers for the live screencast! 1 KCC Igo 2 Katsunari 3 Zen 4 Shikousakugo 5 Many Faces of Go 6 Erica 7 Kiseki 8 Galileo (upset Crazy Stone, due to a Chinese/Japanese rules mismatch) 9 Crazy Stone 10 Aya 11 GOGATAKI 12 Rock 13 Nomitan 14 Kinoa Igo 15 Boon 16 Kerebos Also, several exhibition matches were held (Zen beat Crazy Stone, and MFGO beat Aya). I did not stay up for the two professional exhibition games. Ian On Nov 28, 2009, at 5:42 AM, Hideki Kato wrote: You can watch some interesting games and exhibition games on the second day of the third UEC Cup at http://jsb.cs.uec.ac.jp/~igo/eng/broadcast.html. Schedule: http://jsb.cs.uec.ac.jp/~igo/eng/schedule.html Unofficial quick results of the first day: pos program win-lose-draw 1 Zen 6-0-0 2 Nomitan 5-1-0 3 KCC Igo 5-1-0 4 Kinoa Igo 5-1-0 5 GOGATAKI 4-1-1 6 Shikosakugo 4-2-0 7 Erica 4-2-0 8 Aya 4-2-0 9 Kiseki4-2-0 10 Rock 4-2-0 11 boon 3-2-1 12 Kerberos 3-3-0 13 Galileo 3-3-0 --- cut line to the second day --- 14 Island 3-3-0 15 caren3-3-0 16 PerStone 3-3-0 17 Tombo3-3-0 18 Sango alpha 3-3-0 19 Igoppi 2-4-0 20 Boozer 2-4-0 21 Kasumi 2-4-0 22 ME_arc 2-4-0 23 Mayoigo 2-4-0 24 Martha 2-4-0 25 Njarahojara 1-5-0 26 kudok1-5-0 27 Gekishin 0-6-0 28 Sanshine 0-6-0 Solkoff and SB are omitted. Seeded programs to the second day: 1 Crazy Stone 2 Many Faces of Go 3 Katsunari The Third UEC Cup: http://jsb.cs.uec.ac.jp/~igo/eng/index.html Short random comments: Aya was unlucky, lost two games against Erica and KCC. Erica gets much stronger by implementing Remi's larger patterns; lost two games by a communication trouble and waisting time by a sleeping laptop. Zen vs. KCC was a close game. Zen uses 512 cores. Hideki -- g...@nue.ci.i.u-tokyo.ac.jp (Kato) ___ computer-go mailing list computer-go@computer-go.org http://www.computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go/ ___ computer-go mailing list computer-go@computer-go.org http://www.computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go/ -- = Olivier Teytaud (TAO-inria) olivier.teyt...@inria.fr Tel (33)169154231 / Fax (33)169156586 Equipe TAO (Inria-Futurs), LRI, UMR 8623(CNRS - Universite Paris-Sud), bat 490 Universite Paris-Sud 91405 Orsay Cedex France (one of the 56.5 % of french who did not vote for Sarkozy in 2007) ___ computer-go mailing list computer-go@computer-go.org http://www.computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go/ ___ computer-go mailing list
[computer-go] Re: Live broadcasting at UEC Cup
Official results of the second day: KCC Igo 1 Katsunari 2 Zen 3 Shikosakugo 4 Many Faces of Go5 Erica 6 Kiseki 7 Galileo 8 Crazy Stone 9 Aya 10 GOGATAKI11 Rock12 Nomitan 13 Kinoa Igo 14 boon15 Kerberos16 Japanese rusults are at http://jsb.cs.uec.ac.jp/~igo/result2.html and English version will be available soon. Crazy Stone (CS) lost the first game due to a wrong ko setting. The opponent of CS played a superko violation which was legal under Japanese rules, and CS lost the game by a faul. Katsunari was the second strongest in the same block as CS*, lost only the final match against KCC, and got second position. Zen lost the semi-final against KCC. The game was very close but Zen wrongly evaluated ko positions and resigned near the end (said 2.5 pt behind). Many Faces of Go (MFG) lost the second game of the tournament against KCC, won the other games, and got 5th. Aya lost the first game against KCC, and got 10th. * CS's block contained CS, Katsunari, Nomitan, Gogataki, Shikosakugo, Rock, Kiseki and Galileo. MFG's block contained MFG, Zen, KCC, Kinoa Igo, Erica, Aya, boon and Kerberos. Unofficial extra games: Zen and CS played an extra match in the lunch break and Zen won. Aya and MFG also had an extra match but the result is not in my hand now. Exhibition matches: (1) Zen (B) vs Kaori Aoba 4p with 6 stones handicap: Zen lead 10 to 30 points from the begining. Near the end Zen lost a ko so the game. #Zen was unexpectedly weak at ko. (2) KCC (B) vs Cheng Ming Huang (Meiko Tei in Japanese) 9p with 6 stones handicap: White won the game with no trouble. Hardware info (AFAK): KCC used an 8-core (16 threads) Xeon pc (MacPro, I guess) and a 4-core (8 threads) i7 PC (Dell). The operator knew almost nothing about the software architecture. Zen used 32 x 4 x 4 (512 total) cores of HA8000 HPC cluster. CS and MFG used 8-core loan pc. Erica used an 8-core pc. Katsunari (the only classical program) used a laptop. Hideki -- g...@nue.ci.i.u-tokyo.ac.jp (Kato) ___ computer-go mailing list computer-go@computer-go.org http://www.computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go/
[computer-go] KCC won the 3rd UEC Cup
Official results of the second day: KCC Igo 1 Katsunari 2 Zen 3 Shikosakugo 4 Many Faces of Go5 Erica 6 Kiseki 7 Galileo 8 Crazy Stone 9 Aya 10 GOGATAKI11 Rock12 Nomitan 13 Kinoa Igo 14 boon15 Kerberos16 Japanese rusults are at http://jsb.cs.uec.ac.jp/~igo/result2.html and English version will available soon. Crazy Stone (CS) lost the first game due to a wrong ko setting. The opponent of CS played a superko violation which was legal under Japanese rules, and CS lost the game by a faul. Katsunari was the second strongest in the same block as CS*, lost only the final match against KCC, and got second position. Zen lost the semi-final against KCC. The game was very close but Zen wrongly evaluated ko positions and resigned near the end (said 2.5 pt behind). Many Faces of Go (MFG) lost the second game of the tournament against KCC, won all other games, and got 5th. Aya lost the first game against KCC. * CS's block contained CS, Katsunari, Nomitan, Gogataki, Shikosakugo, Rock, Kiseki and Galileo. MFG's block contained MFG, Zen, KCC, Kinoa Igo, Erica, Aya, boon and Kerberos. Exhibition matches: (1) Zen (B) vs Kaori Aoba 4p with 6 stones handicap: Zen lead 10 to 30 points from the begining. All audience believed Zen would win but Zen lost a ko near the end so the game. (2) KCC (B) vs Cheng Ming Huang (Meiko Tei in Japanese) 9p with 6 stones handicap: White won the game with no trouble. Extra (unofficial) games: Zen and CS played an extra match in the lunch break and Zen won. Aya and MFG also had an extra match but the result is not in my hand now. Hardware info (part): KCC used an 8-core (16 threads) Xeon pc (MacPro, I guess) and a 4-core (8 threads) i7 PC (Dell). The operator knew almost nothing about the software architecture. Zen used 32 x 4 x 4 (512 total) cores. Crazy Stone and Many Faces of Go used 8-core loan pc. Erica used an 8-core pc. Katsunari (classical) used a laptop. Hideki -- g...@nue.ci.i.u-tokyo.ac.jp (Kato) ___ computer-go mailing list computer-go@computer-go.org http://www.computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go/
Re: [SPAM] Re: [computer-go] Live broadcasting at UEC Cup
David, MFG lost by KCC at the second stage of the tournament, and then won against Gallileo and Erica, obtaining the fifth position. I admit that the most of the strong programs such as KCC, Aya, MFG, Zen are assigned to the same right group, eliminating each other, and in the left group, CrazyStone is the only strong Monte-Carlo program. The assignment is not balanced, but because we had decided how to assign programs to the tournament according to the results of the preliminary league, we couldn't change it. Finally, we thank all the participants of the third UEC Cup, including Hideki Kato, David Fotland, Remi Coulom, and Shih-Chieh Huang. Masakazu Muramatsu 2009/11/30 David Fotland fotl...@smart-games.com: I think it was a single elimination, not a swiss tournament, and I think many of the strong programs were in the same bracket. I think Many Faces lost to KCC in an early round and wasn’t paired against the other strong programs. We’ll have to wait for the full results to check. David From: computer-go-boun...@computer-go.org [mailto:computer-go-boun...@computer-go.org] On Behalf Of Olivier Teytaud Sent: Sunday, November 29, 2009 10:18 AM To: computer-go Subject: Re: [SPAM] Re: [computer-go] Live broadcasting at UEC Cup Wow! This is quite surprising to me: 1 KCC Igo 2 Katsunari 3 Zen 4 Shikousakugo 5 Many Faces of Go 6 Erica 7 Kiseki 8 Galileo (upset Crazy Stone, due to a Chinese/Japanese rules mismatch) 9 Crazy Stone 10 Aya There are so many programs stronger than Zen, ManyFaces, CrazyStone and Aya ? There was, as sometimes in the past, a trouble with the communication time or something like that, or there are really so many very strong bots now ? Best regards, Olivier 2009/11/29 Ian Osgood i...@quirkster.com Thanks for the early report! (I was sorry not to see Fudo Go in the tournament. Were you involved with any of the other teams?) Here are the second day knockout tournament unofficial results. Any mistakes are my own. Thanks to the organizers for the live screencast! 1 KCC Igo 2 Katsunari 3 Zen 4 Shikousakugo 5 Many Faces of Go 6 Erica 7 Kiseki 8 Galileo (upset Crazy Stone, due to a Chinese/Japanese rules mismatch) 9 Crazy Stone 10 Aya 11 GOGATAKI 12 Rock 13 Nomitan 14 Kinoa Igo 15 Boon 16 Kerebos Also, several exhibition matches were held (Zen beat Crazy Stone, and MFGO beat Aya). I did not stay up for the two professional exhibition games. Ian On Nov 28, 2009, at 5:42 AM, Hideki Kato wrote: You can watch some interesting games and exhibition games on the second day of the third UEC Cup at http://jsb.cs.uec.ac.jp/~igo/eng/broadcast.html. Schedule: http://jsb.cs.uec.ac.jp/~igo/eng/schedule.html Unofficial quick results of the first day: pos program win-lose-draw 1 Zen 6-0-0 2 Nomitan 5-1-0 3 KCC Igo 5-1-0 4 Kinoa Igo 5-1-0 5 GOGATAKI 4-1-1 6 Shikosakugo 4-2-0 7 Erica 4-2-0 8 Aya 4-2-0 9 Kiseki 4-2-0 10 Rock 4-2-0 11 boon 3-2-1 12 Kerberos 3-3-0 13 Galileo 3-3-0 --- cut line to the second day --- 14 Island 3-3-0 15 caren 3-3-0 16 PerStone 3-3-0 17 Tombo 3-3-0 18 Sango alpha 3-3-0 19 Igoppi 2-4-0 20 Boozer 2-4-0 21 Kasumi 2-4-0 22 ME_arc 2-4-0 23 Mayoigo 2-4-0 24 Martha 2-4-0 25 Njarahojara 1-5-0 26 kudok 1-5-0 27 Gekishin 0-6-0 28 Sanshine 0-6-0 Solkoff and SB are omitted. Seeded programs to the second day: 1 Crazy Stone 2 Many Faces of Go 3 Katsunari The Third UEC Cup: http://jsb.cs.uec.ac.jp/~igo/eng/index.html Short random comments: Aya was unlucky, lost two games against Erica and KCC. Erica gets much stronger by implementing Remi's larger patterns; lost two games by a communication trouble and waisting time by a sleeping laptop. Zen vs. KCC was a close game. Zen uses 512 cores. Hideki -- g...@nue.ci.i.u-tokyo.ac.jp (Kato) ___ computer-go mailing list computer-go@computer-go.org http://www.computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go/ ___ computer-go mailing list computer-go@computer-go.org http://www.computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go/ -- = Olivier Teytaud (TAO-inria) olivier.teyt...@inria.fr Tel (33)169154231 / Fax (33)169156586 Equipe TAO (Inria-Futurs), LRI, UMR 8623(CNRS - Universite Paris-Sud), bat 490 Universite Paris-Sud 91405 Orsay Cedex France (one of the 56.5 % of french who did not vote for Sarkozy in 2007) ___ computer-go mailing list computer-go@computer-go.org http://www.computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go/ ___ computer-go mailing list computer-go@computer-go.org
RE: [SPAM] Re: [computer-go] Live broadcasting at UEC Cup
I'd like to thank all of the people who organized the UEC tournament for providing machines and operators to allow Many Faces and others to participate. I'd like to suggest that the UEC organizers consider using a Swiss tournament system in the future since it gives a more accurate assessment of program strength. Regards, David Fotland -Original Message- From: computer-go-boun...@computer-go.org [mailto:computer-go- boun...@computer-go.org] On Behalf Of Sent: Sunday, November 29, 2009 5:08 PM To: computer-go Subject: Re: [SPAM] Re: [computer-go] Live broadcasting at UEC Cup David, MFG lost by KCC at the second stage of the tournament, and then won against Gallileo and Erica, obtaining the fifth position. I admit that the most of the strong programs such as KCC, Aya, MFG, Zen are assigned to the same right group, eliminating each other, and in the left group, CrazyStone is the only strong Monte-Carlo program. The assignment is not balanced, but because we had decided how to assign programs to the tournament according to the results of the preliminary league, we couldn't change it. Finally, we thank all the participants of the third UEC Cup, including Hideki Kato, David Fotland, Remi Coulom, and Shih-Chieh Huang. Masakazu Muramatsu 2009/11/30 David Fotland fotl...@smart-games.com: I think it was a single elimination, not a swiss tournament, and I think many of the strong programs were in the same bracket. I think Many Faces lost to KCC in an early round and wasnt paired against the other strong programs. Well have to wait for the full results to check. David From: computer-go-boun...@computer-go.org [mailto:computer-go-boun...@computer-go.org] On Behalf Of Olivier Teytaud Sent: Sunday, November 29, 2009 10:18 AM To: computer-go Subject: Re: [SPAM] Re: [computer-go] Live broadcasting at UEC Cup Wow! This is quite surprising to me: 1 KCC Igo 2 Katsunari 3 Zen 4 Shikousakugo 5 Many Faces of Go 6 Erica 7 Kiseki 8 Galileo (upset Crazy Stone, due to a Chinese/Japanese rules mismatch) 9 Crazy Stone 10 Aya There are so many programs stronger than Zen, ManyFaces, CrazyStone and Aya ? There was, as sometimes in the past, a trouble with the communication time or something like that, or there are really so many very strong bots now ? Best regards, Olivier 2009/11/29 Ian Osgood i...@quirkster.com Thanks for the early report! (I was sorry not to see Fudo Go in the tournament. Were you involved with any of the other teams?) Here are the second day knockout tournament unofficial results. Any mistakes are my own. Thanks to the organizers for the live screencast! 1 KCC Igo 2 Katsunari 3 Zen 4 Shikousakugo 5 Many Faces of Go 6 Erica 7 Kiseki 8 Galileo (upset Crazy Stone, due to a Chinese/Japanese rules mismatch) 9 Crazy Stone 10 Aya 11 GOGATAKI 12 Rock 13 Nomitan 14 Kinoa Igo 15 Boon 16 Kerebos Also, several exhibition matches were held (Zen beat Crazy Stone, and MFGO beat Aya). I did not stay up for the two professional exhibition games. Ian On Nov 28, 2009, at 5:42 AM, Hideki Kato wrote: You can watch some interesting games and exhibition games on the second day of the third UEC Cup at http://jsb.cs.uec.ac.jp/~igo/eng/broadcast.html. Schedule: http://jsb.cs.uec.ac.jp/~igo/eng/schedule.html Unofficial quick results of the first day: pos program win-lose-draw 1 Zen 6-0-0 2 Nomitan 5-1-0 3 KCC Igo 5-1-0 4 Kinoa Igo 5-1-0 5 GOGATAKI 4-1-1 6 Shikosakugo 4-2-0 7 Erica 4-2-0 8 Aya 4-2-0 9 Kiseki 4-2-0 10 Rock 4-2-0 11 boon 3-2-1 12 Kerberos 3-3-0 13 Galileo 3-3-0 --- cut line to the second day --- 14 Island 3-3-0 15 caren 3-3-0 16 PerStone 3-3-0 17 Tombo 3-3-0 18 Sango alpha 3-3-0 19 Igoppi 2-4-0 20 Boozer 2-4-0 21 Kasumi 2-4-0 22 ME_arc 2-4-0 23 Mayoigo 2-4-0 24 Martha 2-4-0 25 Njarahojara 1-5-0 26 kudok 1-5-0 27 Gekishin 0-6-0 28 Sanshine 0-6-0 Solkoff and SB are omitted. Seeded programs to the second day: 1 Crazy Stone 2 Many Faces of Go 3 Katsunari The Third UEC Cup: http://jsb.cs.uec.ac.jp/~igo/eng/index.html Short random comments: Aya was unlucky, lost two games against Erica and KCC. Erica gets much stronger by implementing Remi's larger patterns; lost two games by a communication trouble and waisting time by a sleeping laptop. Zen vs. KCC was a close game. Zen uses 512 cores. Hideki -- g...@nue.ci.i.u-tokyo.ac.jp (Kato) ___ computer-go mailing list computer-go@computer-go.org http://www.computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go/ ___
