Re: [CGUYS] GoDaddy's registration agreement - speaking of priv

[Eric S. Sande]

...but did register another domain for myself, which I will  have
a site, do already have a site (though still under construction).


I for one would be interested to see that.  Please post a URL
when it is ready.







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Re: [CGUYS] email header time stamps?

[db]

How do you verify if it came from your server... contact them and ask 
them to check their records?  Is there an automated method for doing that?


What would someone have had to do get mail into my ISP's download to my 
personal computer's email client while replacing the normal header dates 
with their own?  

I know everyone says, as Tom did, that it's not a difficult but I have 
never understood how that is easily possible.   If they have to place 
themselves between my mail server and intercept and handle all my 
server's mail to me for a period so they can interject their falsely 
dated mail that seems fairly complex and unlikely in this case.  If they 
can just occasionally slip their mail to me into the stream from my 
server to me with false headers, then it  seems more conceivable in this 
case..


The reason I'm asking is that I'm trying to ascertain the likelihood 
that the header time stamps on some mail I have received from a sender 
are accurate or possibly fabricated.


db

John DeCarlo wrote:

Remember that email headers are just text.  And there are no checks on those
headers, practically speaking.

If someone spoofs your mail server, everything in that message could be
false.

If you have verified that the message came from your real mail server, then
there is a reasonably good chance that the time stamp it added to your
header is real.

On 10/8/07, db <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
  

Does anyone know if the times listed in email headers can be spoofed?

If the sender changes their clock date/ time then the sending date/ time
is spoofed but it seems to be that the server transit point times list
on full header could not be spoofed.  Is that true or false... does
anyone know?




  




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Re: [CGUYS] XP Pro n' AHA-19160/39320

[Tony B]

What the heck is an AHA-39320? I know you don't expect us to take the time
to look it up, so how is that 'simple'? Anyway, chances are it will need
drivers from a floppy drive - one of the first prompts during the XP setup.

 disappeared from the BIOS, XP Pro still recognized it.  I decided, I would
> go ahead and, upgrade the AHA-19160 to, the AHA-39320 since, I bought it a
> couple months ago but, never installed it.  After installing the AHA-39320,
> the hard drive shows up fine but, when trying to install XP Pro, the drive
> can't be found.  This keeps me from installing XP Pro on the drive.
>



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Re: [CGUYS] MacIgnorance [Was: Grabbing domain names of well-known persons?

[David K. Watson]

I finally decided to see what all the hoopla was about, so I did a  
little Googling

myself.  The horrendous 40 step process for changing the admin name on
a Mac turns out to be an Apple support document with instructions for  
changing

the admin name, and even with this method you could have problems.  A
significant point was that they thought that you really shouldn't do it.

If you insist on doing it though, there is an app called  
ChangeShortName at
 that purports to automate the procedure  
and avoid
some of the problems with the Apple support method (read the app page  
for some
more info on the things that can go wrong with Apple's method).  I'd  
like to point out
that the author of this application himself says that you really  
shouldn't change the
admin short name, but that his app is the best way if you insist on  
doing it.  I looked for
user comments at various places, and they all seem to say that  
ChangeShortName
works with only minor issues (on the order of iPhoto not being able  
to find its
library at first, for example).  If you do use ChangeShortName, be  
sure to do as the

author says and completely read the documentation first.

Regarding the comment,

That's a given, but I keep coming upon issues on the Mac that are  
nothing
but hoop jumping, compared to administering a PC.  Change the admin  
name on

a PC?  That takes seconds.


This actually reflects how very shallow windows security measures are,
doesn't it?  As has been pointed out many times before, Window's  
security

is a tacked-on afterthought, while the security of unix-based systems is
woven throughout the OS.  Do a little googling on how a Windows admin  
name

is used by the OS versus the way account short names are used in OS X.


On FriOct 12, 2007, at 4:13 PM, COMPUTERGUYS-L automatic digest  
system wrote:



Date:Fri, 12 Oct 2007 14:27:18 -0400
From:Jeff Wright <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: MacIgnorance [Was: Grabbing domain names of well-known  
persons?



IMVHO, complaining that a Mac does not work exactly like a PC is a
silly
exercise.


That's a given, but I keep coming upon issues on the Mac that are  
nothing
but hoop jumping, compared to administering a PC.  Change the admin  
name on

a PC?  That takes seconds.


That is why those of us who know what we are doing use a widely-
available
script. The general rule is to Google first, bitch later.


I did google it, which is what got me to the 40 steps.  I have to  
run a

script?  E*N*T*E*R*T


This is off by default. You need to check a box in the "Security"
preference panel. Then set one of the hot corners to start the screen
saver.


I did see that, but that seems too prone to accidental execution.   
Give me a

keyboard shortcut any day; much reduced chance of accidents.


P.S. If you open system preferences and use the Spotlight field, the
Mac
will guide you to the command you need. Nothing like this is  
available

on
Windows.


Haven't seen that yet.





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Re: [CGUYS] XP Pro n' AHA-19160/39320

[lcms0516]

That is what I was thinking.  But, Nothing happens when I press F6. 

-- Original message -- 
From: Tony B <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 

> No, you don't want a bootable floppy. XP prompts you to insert a floppy when 
> you press F6 and reads the drivers from there. 
> 
> On 10/10/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 
> > 
> > I downloaded the driver from Adaptec's website. 
> > 
> > As for having the floppy drive enabled, I never disabled it. I just 
> > changed the boot order in the BIOS(not SCSI) so, the CD-R/W would be 
> > first. I tried to create a 'bootable' floppy disk but, I can't even do that 
> > from the other desktop, I am accessing my e-mail from. 
> > 
> > Christopher 
> > -- Original message -- 
> > From: Tony B 
> > 
> > > Note that you must connect a floppy drive first, and it must be enabled 
> > in 
> > > the BIOS. And it's gotta have a driver on it (check their website). 
> > 
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Re: [CGUYS] MacIgnorance

[Jeff Wright]

> This is not just a name written in a box on the screen. You also must
> take care of things like file access permissions and the keychain. I
> guess since the Windows system is inherently insecure there is less
> involved in changing a username.

No, Windows just takes care of these housekeeping chores for you.  I might
have to change the name on the profile folder, but that's about it.  It's
smart enough to know that the admin account name has been changed.

Here, Auburn University tells you how to do it in 7 steps.  The other 3 are
for changing the password too.

http://auburn.edu/oit/hardware_software/os/ht_rename_admin_acct_xp.php



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Re: [CGUYS] Mac Administrator

[Jeff Wright]

> When you log onto a computer, you need to authenticate yourself (so the
> computer system can know who you are) and establish credentials (so the
> computer system can enforce the appropriate access controls, give out
> the
> right privileges, etc.).  Even Windows sort of works like that.  It is
> a
> basic security concept.
> 
> If you have an enterprise level system to provide user credentials, you
> clearly don't need local user accounts to do that for you.  This is
> also a
> basic security concept.  Again, even Windows more or less allows for
> that.

Ya think??

> If you don't have time to read the ADmitMac documentation, you could
> Google
> or just skim through their product web pages.

It's been a while since I RTFM'd ADmitMac, but it's designed to work on the
client, authenticating it with AD, not the other way around.  I can log on
as the domain admin, but I won't have admin rights on the Mac.  Any
non-local account runs as a non-root user. Just the same, I'll go over the
docs again.

Now, this may have changed since v. 2.1, which is what we are on.  We had
very bad stability issues with v. 3.  So much so we discovered a major bug
with it.  2.1 is basically stable for us.



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Re: [CGUYS] Grabbing domain names of well-known persons?

[Eric S. Sande]

So if the other guy named Tom Piwowar does something that I think 
reflects badly on our name can I sue him for damages?


Well, anybody can sue anybody for anything, that's the beauty of
the system.  It would most likely be thrown out of court though,
and you'd be out court costs and attorney fees.

Then the alternate Piwowar could successfully sue you for harrassment
and stifling his free speech.

I don't get how this relates to the domain name question, though.



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Re: [CGUYS] Grabbing domain names of well-known persons?

[Eric S. Sande]

Are you going to sue Wikipedia if they post your *unauthorized* 
biography?


Maybe.  If it's not factual information from public records and isn't
incredibly complimentary and uplifting, ha ha.

Will you demand that people seek a waiver before uttering your 
name in a public place?


Of course not.  Utter away.  There's a huge difference in those
two examples and neither is related to registering a person's name
as a domain for possibly nefarious use.



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Re: [CGUYS] GoDaddy's registration agreement - speaking of priv

[Randy]

No, a residential address of a building I happen to know is unihabited; 
either that or take my chance with a fictitious address (unless someone can 
give me a good reason why they need a real home address, AND for this to be 
available to the public).  I'm not going to use that other person's domain 
name for any site, but did register another domain for myself, which I will 
have a site, do already have a site (though still under construction). 
Guess my account has one set of personal info. for both (or any further) 
domain names registered, but will only affect the site or sites I create 
under my name, as other one will lie dormant until the person takes it.


Randall

- Original Message - 
From: "Tom Piwowar" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: 
Sent: Friday, October 12, 2007 4:39 PM
Subject: Re: [CGUYS] GoDaddy's registration agreement - speaking of priv



>Nothing, I suppose, unless you were to be caught if they check.  This is

what GoDaddy indicated.  I would use a real address; maybe not my personal
home address, but a real one (  and one not belonging to a current 
resident

of a home).


You are going to register the a site named after a person who's
permission you did not get using the address of another person who's
permission you did not obtain. This gets worse and worse.



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[CGUYS] Creating Flash apps with PHP/Ming/Fedora

[Joe Tseng]

Has anyone tried writing software to create Flash apps with the above listed 
software?  I couldn't find any ming-related software in any Fedora 
repositories.  If anyone could provide guidance I'd be greatly appreciative.



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Re: [CGUYS] GoDaddy's registration agreement - speaking of priv

[Tom Piwowar]

>Nothing, I suppose, unless you were to be caught if they check.  This is 
>what GoDaddy indicated.  I would use a real address; maybe not my personal 
>home address, but a real one (  and one not belonging to a current resident 
>of a home).

You are going to register the a site named after a person who's 
permission you did not get using the address of another person who's 
permission you did not obtain. This gets worse and worse.



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Re: [CGUYS] Grabbing domain names of well-known persons?

[John DeCarlo]

We have a winner!

On 10/12/07, Michael Fernando <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> On 10/12/07, John DeCarlo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >
> > [OT quiz - what was the first registered domain name with a numeral as
> the
> > first character in it?  BTW, the RFC documenting it allowed it, but none
> > of
> > the early DNS implementations did.]
>
>
>
> 3com.com ?
>
>
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Re: [CGUYS] Grabbing domain names of well-known persons?

[Tom Piwowar]

>Clearly, we could legislate that everyone at birth be given a UUID/GUID
>(Universally Unique ID/Globally Unique ID) and prevent anyone but that
>person from using that ID in a web site.

Simple, just apply an RFID implant shortly after birth.

>What about the "tompiwowarsucks.biz" web site?  We should probably legislate
>that no one who doesn't believe it to be true should be allowed to own that
>domain name.  Otherwise people will start using satire, sarcasm, and who
>knows what else.

Fer sure "satire, sarcasm, and who knows what else" should be strictly 
illegal. Possibly a capital crime or punishable by lobotomy at a minimum.

Outrageous claims, like FriendsOfTheEarth.org," should also be 
prohibited. Clearly they lie.

>Oh, and to be fair, if one of them is rich or famous or has a company named
>after him, that person should jump to the front of the list and get the one
>without any numbers in it.

Yes, that is how it usually works.

>And if parents divorce and have shared custody of the children, the same
>should apply to the children's domain names.  It's only fair.

That's why everyone gets numbered, not named. Keep it simple.

You are on the *right* track.



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Re: [CGUYS] Grabbing domain names of well-known persons?

[Randy]

Uncle Ben?

I do a mean Darth Vader impression; maybe I should set up a Darth Vader 
podcast, if name isn't taken or protected by Lucas or others.


Randall
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Which one "never  existed?" That one would probably have the strongest IP
rights.


Yep, and these all have in common the fact that they are not living or .
Could see making that distinction.

Happens all the time: George Washington, Robert E Lee, Uncle Ben, etc,




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Re: [CGUYS] File time stamps?

[Tom Piwowar]

>While we are at it, shouldn't guns send off little messages with GPS
>locations and time stamps, with fingerprints collected off the handle, to
>law enforcement, every time someone fires a gun?

Wow! You may just have something there. A plan that can keep us safe and 
keep the NRA happy too. I sent your idea off to Hillary's team. But 
instead of fingerprints we just need to read your RFID implant number. 
Keep it simple!



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Re: [CGUYS] Grabbing domain names of well-known persons?

[Michael Fernando]

On 10/12/07, John DeCarlo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
> [OT quiz - what was the first registered domain name with a numeral as the
> first character in it?  BTW, the RFC documenting it allowed it, but none
> of
> the early DNS implementations did.]



3com.com ?



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Re: [CGUYS] MacIgnorance

[Tom Piwowar]

>That's a given, but I keep coming upon issues on the Mac that are nothing
>but hoop jumping, compared to administering a PC.  Change the admin name on
>a PC?  That takes seconds.

This is not just a name written in a box on the screen. You also must 
take care of things like file access permissions and the keychain. I 
guess since the Windows system is inherently insecure there is less 
involved in changing a username.

The Apple memo is also written in baby steps like maybe they were writing 
it for a clueless Windows sysadmin. Instead of saying "replace contents 
of B with A" it says "open window A" "open window B" "position both 
windows so you can see their contents" "select all in B" "drag B into the 
trash" "select all in A" "press the option key" "drag all from A to B" 
"close A" etc. That's 9 steps that should have been one sentence.

Frustration can happen when you don't understand how things really work.

The builder estimated 3 months for our house addition. My wife insisted 
that it could not possibly require more than two weeks.



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Re: [CGUYS] boot G4 or Intel Mac from flash drive?

[Roger D. Parish]

At 6:54 PM +0200 10/12/07, b s-w wrote:

  [input]   [input]   [input] 
[input]

Can I boot a PM G4 from a USB2 flash or micro drive? How about an Intel

Mac? Or a Gen 4 iPod with FW?



Yup, you can boot both Intel and PowerPC Macs from USB 2.0 external drives.


Yup, you can boot from an iPod (but NOT a mini, apparently).
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Re: [CGUYS] Mac Administrator

[John DeCarlo]

On 10/12/07, Jeff Wright <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> We use ADmitMac, since our network is a Windows Active Directory domain.
> Not the most reliable of apps, but it allows the Mac users to authenticate
> to the network and Windows servers transparently.
>
> If there is a way to access a Mac over the LAN using root (or similar)
> privileges on a Windows network without using a local account, I'm all
> ears.
>

Jeff,

When you log onto a computer, you need to authenticate yourself (so the
computer system can know who you are) and establish credentials (so the
computer system can enforce the appropriate access controls, give out the
right privileges, etc.).  Even Windows sort of works like that.  It is a
basic security concept.

If you have an enterprise level system to provide user credentials, you
clearly don't need local user accounts to do that for you.  This is also a
basic security concept.  Again, even Windows more or less allows for that.

If you don't have time to read the ADmitMac documentation, you could Google
or just skim through their product web pages.

For example, (http://www.thursby.com/products/admitmac.html)

"Administrators can choose to give domain members administrative privileges
based on their username or domain group membership."

and

"Administrators can give administrative privileges to the user specified as
the Macintosh's manager in the domain's computer records. "

This means that using the product you already have, you can designate how
you want to give out admin privileges - there are multiple ways.  Most of
them have nothing to do with the local username.

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Re: [CGUYS] Grabbing domain names of well-known persons?

[John DeCarlo]

On 10/12/07, Tom Piwowar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >If you can't see that then you haven't got a sense of basic fairness,
> which
> >I got from the start.
>
> I think you are exhibiting an RIAA-like exaggerated notion of ownership.
> Are you going to sue Wikipedia if they post your *unauthorized*
> biography? Will you demand that people seek a waiver before uttering your
> name in a public place?  You really are going overboard with your sense
> of entitlement. Locking things up that do not belong to you is just the
> opposite of fairness.


Without going too much further off topic, legislation doesn't and can't ever
enforce fairness.

Clearly, we could legislate that everyone at birth be given a UUID/GUID
(Universally Unique ID/Globally Unique ID) and prevent anyone but that
person from using that ID in a web site.

What about the "tompiwowarsucks.biz" web site?  We should probably legislate
that no one who doesn't believe it to be true should be allowed to own that
domain name.  Otherwise people will start using satire, sarcasm, and who
knows what else.

And, like big organizations do with email, we can say that the third Bill
Smith to request WilliamSmith.com be assigned WilliamSmith-3.com, so that
there is always a guarantee that every Bill Smith will have access to some
form of WilliamSmith.com.

Oh, and to be fair, if one of them is rich or famous or has a company named
after him, that person should jump to the front of the list and get the one
without any numbers in it.

[OT quiz - what was the first registered domain name with a numeral as the
first character in it?  BTW, the RFC documenting it allowed it, but none of
the early DNS implementations did.]

And if parents divorce and have shared custody of the children, the same
should apply to the children's domain names.  It's only fair.

[OT note - I remember some reasonably famous Absurdist play (Ionesco?) where
every time someone said the phrase "it is only fair", all the characters on
stage screamed and ran off stage.]


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[CGUYS] File time stamps?

[John DeCarlo]

On 10/12/07, rlsimon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Not being expert, I do recall having had some time back an app that would
> change the time/date stamp of any file/folder and I assume that would
> include emails.  When such an app does so, would it not be wise to design
> such files/folders/emails such that editing of the headers leaves an
> invisible trace that logs the change discoverable by law enforcement and
> others interested in thwarting miscreants?  Or, is such a thing already
> present??
>

Why would you use software to do something while also ensuring that an
expert would be able to undo it?

Don't bother in the first place, then.  I don't see the point.

Or are you saying you think the OS should allow this, just track it
invisibly?  Again, what is the point?  Allow it or don't, unless you want to
trap someone.  "Ha ha, we tricked you, you thought the date was really
changed."  ?!?

While we are at it, shouldn't guns send off little messages with GPS
locations and time stamps, with fingerprints collected off the handle, to
law enforcement, every time someone fires a gun?

 (Sorry for the sarcasm, just got my goat.)
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Re: [CGUYS] MacIgnorance [Was: Grabbing domain names of well-known persons?

[Jeff Wright]

> IMVHO, complaining that a Mac does not work exactly like a PC is a
> silly
> exercise.

That's a given, but I keep coming upon issues on the Mac that are nothing
but hoop jumping, compared to administering a PC.  Change the admin name on
a PC?  That takes seconds.
 
> That is why those of us who know what we are doing use a widely-
> available
> script. The general rule is to Google first, bitch later.

I did google it, which is what got me to the 40 steps.  I have to run a
script?  E*N*T*E*R*T

> This is off by default. You need to check a box in the "Security"
> preference panel. Then set one of the hot corners to start the screen
> saver.

I did see that, but that seems too prone to accidental execution.  Give me a
keyboard shortcut any day; much reduced chance of accidents.

> P.S. If you open system preferences and use the Spotlight field, the
> Mac
> will guide you to the command you need. Nothing like this is available
> on
> Windows.

Haven't seen that yet.



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Re: [CGUYS] Mac Administrator

[Jeff Wright]

> You should be using NIS (http://www.bresink.com/osx/nis.html) or
> something similar to manage user security (I am familiar with NIS but
> this article suggests there may be more appropriate solutions for a
> all-Apple network).  Users should be authenticating to a nameserver and
> should be able to log onto any machine on the network.  Local user ids
> should exist as a fallback for when the network is unavailable, but I
> can see no reason why an application such as you describe (what exactly
> is it?) would use local ids.

We use ADmitMac, since our network is a Windows Active Directory domain.
Not the most reliable of apps, but it allows the Mac users to authenticate
to the network and Windows servers transparently.

If there is a way to access a Mac over the LAN using root (or similar)
privileges on a Windows network without using a local account, I'm all ears.



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Re: [CGUYS] boot G4 or Intel Mac from flash drive?

[Tom Piwowar]

>Can I boot a PM G4 from a USB2 flash or micro drive? How about an Intel
>Mac? Or a Gen 4 iPod with FW?

TechTool has a version that comes on a USB drive. Need to check which 
models it works with.



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Re: [CGUYS] Grabbing domain names of well-known persons?

[Tom Piwowar]

>If you can't see that then you haven't got a sense of basic fairness, which
>I got from the start.

I think you are exhibiting an RIAA-like exaggerated notion of ownership. 
Are you going to sue Wikipedia if they post your *unauthorized* 
biography? Will you demand that people seek a waiver before uttering your 
name in a public place?  You really are going overboard with your sense 
of entitlement. Locking things up that do not belong to you is just the 
opposite of fairness.



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Re: [CGUYS] GoDaddy's registration agreement - speaking of priv

[Randy]

Nothing, I suppose, unless you were to be caught if they check.  This is 
what GoDaddy indicated.  I would use a real address; maybe not my personal 
home address, but a real one (  and one not belonging to a current resident 
of a home).


Randall
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Subject: Re: [CGUYS] GoDaddy's registration agreement - speaking of priv


What happens if you weren't to give a real address or name ... gave 
fictitious ones instead?


Tom Piwowar wrote:
Using your logic we would all be wearing hoods or a chador when walking 
down the street.


Don't you think you might have less of a problem with your privacy being 
invaded if you were able to readily discover who was doing the invading? 
Just the opposite of what you propose.



Suppose making such info. so public led to a stalking situation, which 
led to some personal harm.  Would the party who is harmed (from having 
their personal info. made so public) have any legal redress against 
ICAAN, the registration company, WHOIS or any other party?  Just 
wondering.




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Re: [CGUYS] email header time stamps?

[rlsimon]

Not being expert, I do recall having had some time back an app that would
change the time/date stamp of any file/folder and I assume that would
include emails.  When such an app does so, would it not be wise to design
such files/folders/emails such that editing of the headers leaves an
invisible trace that logs the change discoverable by law enforcement and
others interested in thwarting miscreants?  Or, is such a thing already
present??



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Re: [CGUYS] GoDaddy's registration agreement - speaking of priv

[db]

What happens if you weren't to give a real address or name ... gave 
fictitious ones instead?


Tom Piwowar wrote:
Using your logic we would all be wearing hoods or a chador when walking 
down the street.


Don't you think you might have less of a problem with your privacy being 
invaded if you were able to readily discover who was doing the invading? 
Just the opposite of what you propose.


  
Suppose making such info. so public led to a stalking situation, which led 
to some personal harm.  Would the party who is harmed (from having their 
personal info. made so public) have any legal redress against ICAAN, the 
registration company, WHOIS or any other party?  Just wondering. 





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[CGUYS] boot G4 or Intel Mac from flash drive?

[b s-w]

  [input]   [input]   [input]   [input] 

Can I boot a PM G4 from a USB2 flash or micro drive? How about an Intel
 
Mac? Or a Gen 4 iPod with FW?

Betty

   
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Re: [CGUYS] Power Off?

[Richard P.]

FYI, I tried powering up both router and modem simultaneously and they 
booted up ok. I guess the router did wait for the modem to get going 
first. Thanks for the feedback from all parties; it's always a good 
learning environment.


Richard P.

Tom Piwowar wrote:

Actually, this isn't *strictly* true. Unless there's a design flaw,
downstream devices should simply wait and keep trying. My router's often on
with my modem off (when I'm resetting the modem).



You are right. A properly designed device should keep trying so the order 
in which they are turned on should not matter. But then, too often it 
does.




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Re: [CGUYS] GoDaddy's registration agreement - speaking of priv

[Randy]

I would rather that, say, my home address and phone # not be plastered in a 
public database in the first place.  If someone did post this or other 
harmful material about myself should still be possible to go to whoever 
manages the site and have them track down who did it, just as, say, Yahoo 
can track down who sends malicious emails, as happened to me.  You could 
still have the person's name available which would enable tracking. 
Probably this alone could lead to a persistent party finding out their 
address or other info., but would at least require more steps and work and 
not just be there in WHOIS for sale, for instance.


Randall

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Subject: Re: [CGUYS] GoDaddy's registration agreement - speaking of priv



Using your logic we would all be wearing hoods or a chador when walking
down the street.

Don't you think you might have less of a problem with your privacy being
invaded if you were able to readily discover who was doing the invading?
Just the opposite of what you propose.


Suppose making such info. so public led to a stalking situation, which led
to some personal harm.  Would the party who is harmed (from having their
personal info. made so public) have any legal redress against ICAAN, the
registration company, WHOIS or any other party?  Just wondering.




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Re: [CGUYS] Grabbing domain names of well-known persons?

[Randy]

Yep, and these all have in common the fact that they are not living or never 
existed.  Could see making that distinction.


Randall

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Subject: Re: [CGUYS] Grabbing domain names of well-known persons?



>Unless you can tell me some legitimate purpose for

registering and maybe using someone else's name without permission, there
are too many ways this could exploit or hurt the person (as someone said,
post things in the name of that person that would be embarrassing or 
worse).


Happens all the time: George Washington, Robert E Lee, Uncle Ben, etc,



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Re: [CGUYS] Grabbing domain names of well-known persons?

[Randy]

Well, it's not hard to imagine various ways even a non-famous, average 
person could be exploited or even hurt by putting up a website that appears 
to be from them.  Think you gave the example of posting porn in someone's 
name, for instance.  Most people don't have the legal or other resources to 
pursue legal reddress, so that, to me, doesn't solve the problem.  Better to 
prevent using someone else's name in the first place, when it clearly is not 
the name of the person using it and clearly refers to a specific, 
identifiable individual, i.e.  THIS John Smith.


Randall

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To: 
Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2007 11:30 PM
Subject: Re: [CGUYS] Grabbing domain names of well-known persons?



>Why should this be legal, any more than identity theft is?

It's "legal" if the name in question isn't trademarked, as Tom said.

If the USE of the name harms or injures the "famous person" then
it's on the injured party to seek remedy.  Typically I believe that
intent would need to be proved.

A lawyer would have to address this, I believe that domain name
registration has more than a few gray areas, and there are more than
a few people making money by registering untrademarked domain
names and then selling them to the intended targets, or to the highest
bidder.

That's economics in action.

Here's an example.  http://www.2600.com/news/view/article/322

The bottom line on that is that you really don't want to take on a
Fortune 10 company with very deep pockets and platoons of lawyers.

It can also be very ambiguous.  My name, Eric S. Sande, is relatively
uncommon.  But there are many Sandes, an appreciable number of
Eric Sandes, and even a few Eric S. Sandes in the world.  But there
is only one genuine original Eric Stuart Sande.

That person isn't famous, and doesn't have platoons of lawyers.  Or
even one lawyer on retainer.  So he's defenseless, legally speaking.

Unless he is harmed, in which case he could expect remedy (if he pays
a lawyer to bring suit, fight the case and wins).

That would be a horrible worst case scenario. Having to fight for the
right to your name, that is.



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Re: [CGUYS] Grabbing domain names of well-known persons?

[Tom Piwowar]

>Unless you can tell me some legitimate purpose for 
>registering and maybe using someone else's name without permission, there 
>are too many ways this could exploit or hurt the person (as someone said, 
>post things in the name of that person that would be embarrassing or worse). 

Happens all the time: George Washington, Robert E Lee, Uncle Ben, etc,



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Re: [CGUYS] GoDaddy's registration agreement - speaking of priv

[Tom Piwowar]

Using your logic we would all be wearing hoods or a chador when walking 
down the street.

Don't you think you might have less of a problem with your privacy being 
invaded if you were able to readily discover who was doing the invading? 
Just the opposite of what you propose.

>Suppose making such info. so public led to a stalking situation, which led 
>to some personal harm.  Would the party who is harmed (from having their 
>personal info. made so public) have any legal redress against ICAAN, the 
>registration company, WHOIS or any other party?  Just wondering. 



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[CGUYS] MacIgnorance [Was: Grabbing domain names of well-known persons?

[Tom Piwowar]

IMVHO, complaining that a Mac does not work exactly like a PC is a silly 
exercise.

>change the short name of the root admin...
>*40* steps to do this.  40.  If you don't make things worse doing it.

That is why those of us who know what we are doing use a widely-available 
script. The general rule is to Google first, bitch later.

>Windows+L on the PC does this in a fraction of a second.  No such
>thing for a Mac; you pays your money and takes your chances. 

This is off by default. You need to check a box in the "Security" 
preference panel. Then set one of the hot corners to start the screen 
saver. 


P.S. If you open system preferences and use the Spotlight field, the Mac 
will guide you to the command you need. Nothing like this is available on 
Windows.



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Re: [CGUYS] Grabbing domain names of well-known persons?

[Tom Piwowar]

>Unless he is harmed, in which case he could expect remedy (if he pays
>a lawyer to bring suit, fight the case and wins).

So if the other guy named Tom Piwowar does something that I think 
reflects badly on our name can I sue him for damages?



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Re: [CGUYS] GoDaddy's registration /host file ?

[Tom Piwowar]

Latest email from GoDaddy announces that they have a "new GoDaddy girl."



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Re: [CGUYS] GoDaddy's registration /host file ?

[Tom Piwowar]

>   I have this question about owning a website. Why can't you have a
>   "dark" web site? When you pay for hosting, they allow you to use an
>   fixed IP address right? Otherwise the DNS would have to be updated
>   with changes all the time. So why not just give your friends or club
>   members a host file or part of one and let their own computer do the
>   DNS work? Then you work around the issue completely.

True. Or you could use something like dyndns to point to your 
"unregistered" address.



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Re: [CGUYS] Mac Administrator

[Roger D. Parish]

Further to the problem of locking the screen of a Mac:

This article 
 
discusses various methods, some with quite a bit 
of jiggery-pokery. But a very simple solution 
that I overlooked is this:


But what if you don¹t want to always lock your 
screen when the screen saver activates or your 
computer wakes from sleep? In other words, you 
don¹t want to set that option in the Security 
pane as you must for the methods I¹ve described 
so far. (After all, it can be a pain to have to 
enter your password over and over again 
throughout the day.) Keychain Access holds the 
key. You can use this application (in your 
Applications/Utilities folder) to quickly 
activate your screen saver from the menubar and 
require a password to turn it off‹even if the 
Security pane option isn¹t enabled. Open 
Keychain Access and then go to Keychain Access: 
Preferences. Click on the General tab and select 
the Show Status in Menu Bar option. A small lock 
icon will appear in your menu bar. Close the 
Preferences window and quit Keychain Access. Now 
click the lock icon in your menubar and choose 
Lock Screen to start your screen saver.


Depending upon the size of your screen and the 
number of items in your menu bar, both from the 
front-most application and various system menubar 
icons, the lock icon may or may not be shown. You 
might have to command-tab to the Finder or some 
other application with fewer menubar entries to 
get the lock icon to show.

--
Roger
Lovettsville, VA



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Re: [CGUYS] Mac Administrator

[Roger D. Parish]

At 7:53 AM -0400 10/12/07, Jeff Wright wrote:


 > How can I invoke the screen saver on Windows

 without finding the actual module and creating a
 shortcut on the desktop?


-Set up the screensaver.  Start >> Control Panel >> Display >> Screen saver
(or right click on the desktop >> properties >> screensaver)

-Keyboard shortcut:  Windows key+L (if fast user switching is off); or

-Ctrl-Alt-Delete >> Lock computer

This assumes that you are using a password-protected account.


I forgot to say thanks for the tip, Jeff.
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Re: [CGUYS] Mac Administrator

[[EMAIL PROTECTED]]

You should be using NIS (http://www.bresink.com/osx/nis.html) or something 
similar to manage user security (I am familiar with NIS but this article 
suggests there may be more appropriate solutions for a all-Apple network).  
Users should be authenticating to a nameserver and should be able to log onto 
any machine on the network.  Local user ids should exist as a fallback for when 
the network is unavailable, but I can see no reason why an application such as 
you describe (what exactly is it?) would use local ids.

On 10/11/07, John DeCarlo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>>
>> Oh yes, the much vaunted Mac ease of use.  2 examples from this past week:
>>
>> 1 - I wanted to change the short name of the root admin, so that all of my
>> Macs had the same one.  The consultant I used to deploy these used several
>> different short (and long) names, bless them.  I wanted to change it as I
>> have an application that scans the network and creates an up-to-date
>> hardware inventory, which it does effortlessly for my PCs.
>>
>> *40* steps to do this.  40.  If you don't make things worse doing it.
>
>I can't even figure out what you are talking about.  You can certainly have
>more than one user with the privileges you need.  You shouldn't be using
>root to do the hardware inventory - that is a security violation.  You
>should be creating a user just for this purpose with just the privileges
>needed.  I can see you actually logging in as Administrator on hundreds of
>Windows machines - all with the same password.  Yow!  That is scary.



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Re: [CGUYS] email header time stamps?

[John DeCarlo]

Remember that email headers are just text.  And there are no checks on those
headers, practically speaking.

If someone spoofs your mail server, everything in that message could be
false.

If you have verified that the message came from your real mail server, then
there is a reasonably good chance that the time stamp it added to your
header is real.

On 10/8/07, db <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> Does anyone know if the times listed in email headers can be spoofed?
>
> If the sender changes their clock date/ time then the sending date/ time
> is spoofed but it seems to be that the server transit point times list
> on full header could not be spoofed.  Is that true or false... does
> anyone know?
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Re: [CGUYS] Mac Administrator

[Jeff Wright]

> How can I invoke the screen saver on Windows
> without finding the actual module and creating a
> shortcut on the desktop?

-Set up the screensaver.  Start >> Control Panel >> Display >> Screen saver
(or right click on the desktop >> properties >> screensaver)

-Keyboard shortcut:  Windows key+L (if fast user switching is off); or

-Ctrl-Alt-Delete >> Lock computer

This assumes that you are using a password-protected account.



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Re: [CGUYS] Mac Administrator

[Roger D. Parish]

At 7:28 PM -0400 10/11/07, Jeff Wright wrote:


Yeah, I saw that, but no native shortcut.  Heck, there are no less than 2
ways of doing this on a PC without waiting for the screensaver to kick in. 

Just illustrating that Windows does this simple, yet very valuable, thing
out of the box and on a Mac, it's E*N*T*E*R*T*A*I*N*M*E*N*T.


 -Original Message-
 I read this and thought no way...can't be.  Looks like.

 Shortest way seems to be to set up a icon in the dock to activate the
 screen

 > saver and have that lock the computer.


Apple > System Preferences > Desktop & Screen 
Saver > Hot Corners to set a "hot corner" to 
immediately invoke the screen saver


Then Show All > Security click "Require password 
to wake this computer from sleep or screen saver".


How can I invoke the screen saver on Windows 
without finding the actual module and creating a 
shortcut on the desktop?

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