Re: [CGUYS] Rip Van Winkle
And sometimes management is so worried about hurting the bottom line they figure if it worked last year it will work this year. Guess that's why my computer is still running Windows 98, well at least it's SE! I forget how much memory it has, maybe 64MB? I know when I was given an old parallel port scanner it just about crashes every time I try to scan in one page. And this is at a company that was just bought out by another for $18 billion dollars. Now with the new debt from the merger it will be even longer to get an up grade. MrMike6by9 wrote: I like when people assume that the only reason you have old tech in the office is just because you're too lazy to buy the latest and the greatest. -- Ken * ==> QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in <== * ==> the body of an email & send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <== * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header "X-No-Archive: yes" will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] Rip Van Winkle [Was: Looking for notebooks
On Nov 8, 2007, at 5:30 PM, Jeff Miles wrote: Excuse after excuse, it sounds like the person who refuses to buy a new car because the old one only has 250,000 miles on it. Hey, tell that to my boss! I'd love to have equipment that isn't prehistoric. But it really, REALLY isn't up to me. Floppies get the job done, and I'm stuck with them. --Constance Warner * ==> QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in <== * ==> the body of an email & send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <== * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header "X-No-Archive: yes" will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] Rip Van Winkle
I like when people assume that the only reason you have old tech in the office is just because you're too lazy to buy the latest and the greatest. Sometimes it's just because the best you can hope for is to replace 1/3 of your computers each year and maybe get one or 2 new printers or fax machines as they die off. It seems to me that real businesses are always playing catch up if they have to stay within budgets no matter how much more productive the new toys are alledged to be. YMMV -- 'Cosmic giggle' - "a randomly roving zone of synchronicity and statistical anomaly. Should you be caught up in it, it will turn reality on its head. It is objective and subjective, simultaneously 'really there' and yet somehow is sustained by imagination and expectation " - Terence McKenna * ==> QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in <== * ==> the body of an email & send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <== * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header "X-No-Archive: yes" will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] Rip Van Winkle [Was: Looking for notebooks
> Yes, but have you required both of those in the computers you bought > this year? Required? No, the serial port is on in the default config. As already stated, having a serial port harms nothing. > I have not been willing to pay the extra $30 for a floppy drive for at > least two years. I think the floppy option cost $7 this last time and saved me a lot of time (which is worth much more) dealing with Symantec's unexpected procrastination with support for SATA optical drives. > And your other computers have burst into flame? That's a shame. > > I guess that you must have a real requirement to buy floppy drives and > serial ports, since in your environment the other ones self-destruct. > > Somehow, I suspect that you are the only one having this problem. EOK John. * ==> QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in <== * ==> the body of an email & send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <== * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header "X-No-Archive: yes" will not be archived
[CGUYS] Buying a Mac PowerBook Pro
Gosh, so many replies about serial ports and floppy drives on laptops. I'm thinking of buying a Mac PowerBook Pro (college daughter bought one and loves it), but I am a Windows person and don't know how to select and I've never had a laptop. The one that I am considering is a 15.4" screen, 2.2 GHz Intel processor, 1 GB memory, sells for $2000 but available at a discount for $1800. Questions: 1. What is the best software that emulates Windows on a Mac? Or, is it better to install Windows as a partition? I need this because of the very many Windows applications that I have. 2. The discounted $1800 notebook is advertised with the OS Tiger, not Leopard. How important is the latter OS? 3. How expandable is the memory and/or disk drive? I'm used to having 1.5 TB disk space, so 120 GB internal is very small. Is 1 GB memory adequate? 4. How many ports? (My desktop has 16 USB ports and 5 IEEE ports, and all are used. Of course, I know that a laptop will not need so many.) 5. Should I buy "drop" insurance -- i.e., insurance for repair if I drop it or run over it with my car? 6. Other advice? * ==> QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in <== * ==> the body of an email & send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <== * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header "X-No-Archive: yes" will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] mac mini help
>>Toss your com.apple.systempreferences.plist >Deleted the file. Restarted. No change. Neither of us know what it was the kids changed so I'm guessing about which plist file is involved, but it is virtually certain that it is one of the plist files. I would move all the likely ones to the desktop and then logoff/logon (you don't have to restart). By trial and error you'll find it. Then copy all the innocent plist files back. * ==> QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in <== * ==> the body of an email & send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <== * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header "X-No-Archive: yes" will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] Rip Van Winkle [Was: Looking for notebooks
Ah yes. the Iomega Zip drive...and the chatter of death. I threw all of my zip drives away after I had my data turned to powder a couple of times. shugate made working drives in the 60's or 70's and Iomega made chatter of death in the 90's. I have 4 zip disks in original shrink wrap up on a shelf. anyone want them, they are yours for the price of shipping. I don't think anyone ever loaded software for sale on a zip disk. At 05:15 PM 11/8/2007, you wrote: >What about just emailing the file to yourself? I'm sure the computer >isn't so old that it doesn't have a slot that could be plugged into a >phone jack. But that's beside the point. I have 2 Zip drives that >haven't been used in years. A floppy drive? How useless is that with >their minimal storage space? >I have a friend who trashed 17 PCs because the dump fee was cheaper >then keeping them running. With the price of PCs now, not having one >is just a waste of time as compared to crippling along on some ancient >thing. I do admit I do have one ancient one, but it only gets turned >on to play a version of Tomb Raider I have. No pun intended. > >Jeff M > > >On Nov 8, 2007, at 1:15 PM, Constance Warner wrote: > >>"I don't understand why anyone would need a floppy drive now >>days. Not >>since flash drives are so cheap and hold so much more. I even have one >>built into an ink pen." >> >>--Jeff M >> >>If there is stuff you need at work or at home that's only on floppies, >>or if you're using a computer that has a floppy drive but no USB port >>(and that might not be hooked up to a network you can use), then you >>need a floppy drive. >> >>Example: At work, I have to get stuff out of a Windows NT box of the >>pre-USB era. It has a floppy drive. I have to move the stuff into an >>iMac and a Windows XP box that don't have floppy drives, but do have >>USB. Solution: a portable floppy drive that plugs into the USB >>ports of >>the iMac and the Windows box. >> >>There are probably a lot of situations out there where, for some >>reason >>or other, a piece of antiquated equipment is still in occasional >>service, and there is no money to replace the old equipment or staff >>time to systematically remove the data from it. >> >>--Constance Warner > > > >* ==> QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in <== >* ==> the body of an email & send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <== >* Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name >* Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST >* Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L >* New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress >* Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >* List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ >* RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml >* Messages bearing the header "X-No-Archive: yes" will not be archived > * ==> QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in <== * ==> the body of an email & send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <== * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header "X-No-Archive: yes" will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] Rip Van Winkle [Was: Looking for notebooks
Excuse after excuse, it sounds like the person who refuses to buy a new car because the old one only has 250,000 miles on it. Back when I owned a computer with a floppy drive many of the disks I'd had laying around the house for years refused to work. I don't consider that media reliable either. Anything needed for the IRS should be on paper, in safe deposit box, or just a safe. It sounds like it's time to bite the bullet and upgrade, not just the hardware, but the software as well. You'd probably be happier in the end anyway with the improved performance. And I hope you're not comparing yourself to the antiquated US government agencies, WE and Ma Bell. I also have one of those old SCSI scanners...somewhere, along with a newer AGFA, don't remember what it is, I haven't used it in years. Over the last few years I've relied on all in ones. Saves desk space. And they're cheap now. All in one color laser printer/scanner/copier/ fax under $450 at Costco. Jeff On Nov 8, 2007, at 1:27 PM, gerald wrote: My new business program wants to see the old version before I load it. I could just buy the new full version. only about 12-15K. the old verson is on floppy. 7" floppy, or whatever the size of that big one was. I have a drive that I plug into the machine. I have not done it for a while, so am not certain the bios will see the floppy if I have to transfer the thing by reloading. I need foxpro. the version I have is on a floppy. it does not transfer and load with a dvd. my payroll program wants to see the old payroll program to ug. old is on a floppy. one of my scanners runs on an oddball extra slow scsi. funny plug. I move the card. the scanner is a 12 x 18 heidelberg that does about a zillion dpi. takes forever. the program that runs it came as a box of floppies. large box at that. western electric and bell ran the NYC telephone system on pre war carbon switches in the mid 50's when I worked for them...Pre WWI !!!. I think the FAA and the FBI are running on mainframes that are 20 or so years old, and use tape backups from the same era. the DoD refused for years to use laser printing. lots of flash drives do not survive the day. would rather use something that I thought was reliable. for play at home it's one thing to use the latest tecnology. for real business apps, nice to have something with a track history so when the irs comes knocking, they do not want to her woops, it worked yesterday. * ==> QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in <== * ==> the body of an email & send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <== * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header "X-No-Archive: yes" will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] Rip Van Winkle [Was: Looking for notebooks
I just gave you an example in the email you replied to. Mike On Nov 8, 2007 1:23 PM, Jeff Miles <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I don't understand why anyone would need a floppy drive now days. Not > since flash drives are so cheap and hold so much more. I even have one > built into an ink pen. > > Jeff M > > > On Nov 8, 2007, at 11:43 AM, mike wrote: > > > I got one of these at newegg for 15 dollars I believe. Only reason I > > needed it was to get the RAID drivers on my machine at home. But when > > you gotta have it...well you know. > > > > > * ==> QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in <== > * ==> the body of an email & send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <== > * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name > * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST > * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L > * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress > * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ > * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml > * Messages bearing the header "X-No-Archive: yes" will not be archived > > * ==> QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in <== * ==> the body of an email & send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <== * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header "X-No-Archive: yes" will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] Rip Van Winkle [Was: Looking for notebooks
What about just emailing the file to yourself? I'm sure the computer isn't so old that it doesn't have a slot that could be plugged into a phone jack. But that's beside the point. I have 2 Zip drives that haven't been used in years. A floppy drive? How useless is that with their minimal storage space? I have a friend who trashed 17 PCs because the dump fee was cheaper then keeping them running. With the price of PCs now, not having one is just a waste of time as compared to crippling along on some ancient thing. I do admit I do have one ancient one, but it only gets turned on to play a version of Tomb Raider I have. No pun intended. Jeff M On Nov 8, 2007, at 1:15 PM, Constance Warner wrote: "I don't understand why anyone would need a floppy drive now days. Not since flash drives are so cheap and hold so much more. I even have one built into an ink pen." --Jeff M If there is stuff you need at work or at home that's only on floppies, or if you're using a computer that has a floppy drive but no USB port (and that might not be hooked up to a network you can use), then you need a floppy drive. Example: At work, I have to get stuff out of a Windows NT box of the pre-USB era. It has a floppy drive. I have to move the stuff into an iMac and a Windows XP box that don't have floppy drives, but do have USB. Solution: a portable floppy drive that plugs into the USB ports of the iMac and the Windows box. There are probably a lot of situations out there where, for some reason or other, a piece of antiquated equipment is still in occasional service, and there is no money to replace the old equipment or staff time to systematically remove the data from it. --Constance Warner * ==> QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in <== * ==> the body of an email & send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <== * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header "X-No-Archive: yes" will not be archived
[CGUYS] Leopard and Linksys
most every time my wife runs Leopard thru the Linksys router, it goes down. she transmits from the iMac to a D-Link wireless, which is then connected to the Linksys router. anyone hear of a known problem of leopard and linksys? she had a PC talking to the d-link and that was ok. I run a PC thru the linksys, and it does not shut down. * ==> QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in <== * ==> the body of an email & send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <== * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header "X-No-Archive: yes" will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] Rip Van Winkle [Was: Looking for notebooks
My new business program wants to see the old version before I load it. I could just buy the new full version. only about 12-15K. the old verson is on floppy. 7" floppy, or whatever the size of that big one was. I have a drive that I plug into the machine. I have not done it for a while, so am not certain the bios will see the floppy if I have to transfer the thing by reloading. I need foxpro. the version I have is on a floppy. it does not transfer and load with a dvd. my payroll program wants to see the old payroll program to ug. old is on a floppy. one of my scanners runs on an oddball extra slow scsi. funny plug. I move the card. the scanner is a 12 x 18 heidelberg that does about a zillion dpi. takes forever. the program that runs it came as a box of floppies. large box at that. western electric and bell ran the NYC telephone system on pre war carbon switches in the mid 50's when I worked for them...Pre WWI !!!. I think the FAA and the FBI are running on mainframes that are 20 or so years old, and use tape backups from the same era. the DoD refused for years to use laser printing. lots of flash drives do not survive the day. would rather use something that I thought was reliable. for play at home it's one thing to use the latest tecnology. for real business apps, nice to have something with a track history so when the irs comes knocking, they do not want to her woops, it worked yesterday. At 03:23 PM 11/8/2007, you wrote: >I don't understand why anyone would need a floppy drive now days. Not >since flash drives are so cheap and hold so much more. I even have one >built into an ink pen. > >Jeff M > > >On Nov 8, 2007, at 11:43 AM, mike wrote: > >>I got one of these at newegg for 15 dollars I believe. Only reason I >>needed it was to get the RAID drivers on my machine at home. But when >>you gotta have it...well you know. > > > >* ==> QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in <== >* ==> the body of an email & send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <== >* Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name >* Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST >* Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L >* New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress >* Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >* List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ >* RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml >* Messages bearing the header "X-No-Archive: yes" will not be archived > * ==> QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in <== * ==> the body of an email & send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <== * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header "X-No-Archive: yes" will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] Rip Van Winkle [Was: Looking for notebooks
"I don't understand why anyone would need a floppy drive now days. Not since flash drives are so cheap and hold so much more. I even have one built into an ink pen." --Jeff M If there is stuff you need at work or at home that's only on floppies, or if you're using a computer that has a floppy drive but no USB port (and that might not be hooked up to a network you can use), then you need a floppy drive. Example: At work, I have to get stuff out of a Windows NT box of the pre-USB era. It has a floppy drive. I have to move the stuff into an iMac and a Windows XP box that don't have floppy drives, but do have USB. Solution: a portable floppy drive that plugs into the USB ports of the iMac and the Windows box. There are probably a lot of situations out there where, for some reason or other, a piece of antiquated equipment is still in occasional service, and there is no money to replace the old equipment or staff time to systematically remove the data from it. --Constance Warner *** * ==> QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in <== * ==> the body of an email & send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <== * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header "X-No-Archive: yes" will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] Rip Van Winkle [Was: Looking for notebooks
I don't understand why anyone would need a floppy drive now days. Not since flash drives are so cheap and hold so much more. I even have one built into an ink pen. Jeff M On Nov 8, 2007, at 11:43 AM, mike wrote: I got one of these at newegg for 15 dollars I believe. Only reason I needed it was to get the RAID drivers on my machine at home. But when you gotta have it...well you know. * ==> QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in <== * ==> the body of an email & send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <== * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header "X-No-Archive: yes" will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] mac mini help
Is it possible that your screen colors are inverted? Try pressing Control Option Command(apple/cloverleaf) 8. Do it again to return to the previous state if this does not fix the problem. Otherwise, try resetting the PRAM by shutting down the computer, then turning on the computer and pressing and holding the Command-Option-P-R keys. Hold the keys down until the computer restarts and you hear the startup sound for the second time. A third possibility is that the problem is not with the mini but with the display. If it has any front panel buttons, check to see if some settings have been altered. Let us know what happens. David Deleted the file. Restarted. No change. Checkout One Laptop Per Child project laptop.org - Original Message From: Tom Piwowar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@listserv.aol.com Sent: Thursday, November 8, 2007 2:15:12 AM Subject: Re: [CGUYS] mac mini help My 4yr old was banging on the keyboard and now all the color schemes are messed up, the color setting in System Preference don't indicate the right colors. A restart hasn't fixed it. Running Tiger. Toss your com.apple.systempreferences.plist * ==> QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in <== * ==> the body of an email & send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <== * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header "X-No-Archive: yes" will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] Rip Van Winkle [Was: Looking for notebooks
I got one of these at newegg for 15 dollars I believe. Only reason I needed it was to get the RAID drivers on my machine at home. But when you gotta have it...well you know. Mike On Nov 8, 2007 12:06 PM, Constance Warner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > "> I have computers with serial ports AND floppies." > > "Yes, but have you required both of those in the computers you bought > this > year? > > "I have not been willing to pay the extra $30 for a floppy drive for at > least two years." > > There's an easy way to cut this particular Gordian knot, for most > currently available computers: buy a portable floppy drive that connects > via USB. The portable drives are inexpensive, and they work well. > > Sometimes you have to work with old media; this is a cheap, convenient > solution. And the USB-connected floppy drives are VERY portable and > hot-pluggable, so you don't have to have one for every computer. > > --Constance Warner > > > > > * ==> QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in <== > * ==> the body of an email & send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <== > * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name > * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST > * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L > * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress > * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ > * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml > * Messages bearing the header "X-No-Archive: yes" will not be archived > > * ==> QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in <== * ==> the body of an email & send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <== * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header "X-No-Archive: yes" will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] Rip Van Winkle [Was: Looking for notebooks
"> I have computers with serial ports AND floppies." "Yes, but have you required both of those in the computers you bought this year? "I have not been willing to pay the extra $30 for a floppy drive for at least two years." There's an easy way to cut this particular Gordian knot, for most currently available computers: buy a portable floppy drive that connects via USB. The portable drives are inexpensive, and they work well. Sometimes you have to work with old media; this is a cheap, convenient solution. And the USB-connected floppy drives are VERY portable and hot-pluggable, so you don't have to have one for every computer. --Constance Warner * ==> QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in <== * ==> the body of an email & send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <== * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header "X-No-Archive: yes" will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] Rip Van Winkle [Was: Looking for notebooks
On Nov 7, 2007 9:04 PM, Jeff Wright <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I have computers with serial ports AND floppies. > Yes, but have you required both of those in the computers you bought this year? I have not been willing to pay the extra $30 for a floppy drive for at least two years. > For some odd reason, they haven't yet burst into flames And your other computers have burst into flame? That's a shame. I guess that you must have a real requirement to buy floppy drives and serial ports, since in your environment the other ones self-destruct. Somehow, I suspect that you are the only one having this problem. -- John DeCarlo, My Views Are My Own * ==> QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in <== * ==> the body of an email & send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <== * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header "X-No-Archive: yes" will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] cloning iMac drive
>bought wife an iMac last month. bought a copy of 10.5 for her to load. >she wants to clone her drive with the 10.4.X on it before install of 10.5. Good idea. No telling what the "dot oh" version will do. >there is a recommendation of using an external firewire drive instead of >an external USB drive. I have a couple USB drives around, but do not have >a firewire around. is it really better or necessary to use firewire? I have found that USB2 works almost as well as FireWire. Things like Migration Assistant want FireWire so you could find yourself locked out without it. However, if at some time in the future it turns out you must have FireWire you can get an ATA to FireWire box for little money. >will the 2.4ghz 24" support a second internal sata drive? is the cable or >connection for support already in the machine? There is no room inside the case for anything to be added. It is also not easy to get in there. * ==> QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in <== * ==> the body of an email & send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <== * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header "X-No-Archive: yes" will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] mac mini help
Deleted the file. Restarted. No change. Checkout One Laptop Per Child project laptop.org - Original Message From: Tom Piwowar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@listserv.aol.com Sent: Thursday, November 8, 2007 2:15:12 AM Subject: Re: [CGUYS] mac mini help >My 4yr old was banging on the keyboard and >now all the color schemes are messed up, the color >setting in System Preference don't indicate the right >colors. A restart hasn't fixed it. Running Tiger. Toss your com.apple.systempreferences.plist * ==> QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in <== * ==> the body of an email & send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <== * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header "X-No-Archive: yes" will not be archived * ==> QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in <== * ==> the body of an email & send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <== * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header "X-No-Archive: yes" will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] Rip Van Winkle [Was: Looking for notebooks
SATA is simpler than PATA. USB is simpler than serial. SAS is much simpler than parallel SCSI. Simpler to configure and to manage. I do not envy your holding on to dying technologies. Good luck with that. Thank you, Mark Snyder -Original Message- but more often than not, Occam rules: simplest is best. * ==> QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in <== * ==> the body of an email & send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <== * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header "X-No-Archive: yes" will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] Rip Van Winkle [Was: Looking for notebooks
> It is foolish to continue to buy into obsolete technologies such as the > old serial and parallel interfaces or floppy drives. Let me give you another example where the new technology failed over the old. We started using IP-based management cards for the APC UPSes for our servers. The advantage over the serial based is that you only have one console to manage and there is only one cable to worry about, vs. 8. Problem is, one of the damned things borked the password we input and now we can't manage it at all. What's the secondary management interface? Serial. That has its own issues, not the least of which is having to use a proprietary cable, but at least the old serial-based UPS mgmt systems *worked*. Sure, the cables were a pain to manage, but more often than not, Occam rules: simplest is best. * ==> QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in <== * ==> the body of an email & send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <== * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header "X-No-Archive: yes" will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] Rip Van Winkle [Was: Looking for notebooks
By foolish, I mean buying new gear with outmoded interfaces or other technologies, such as the ones I listed. That equipment is more limited. I agree that sometimes it is necessary, but the buying should always be limited and considered carefully, always with an eye for alternatives that aren't so limiting. This is true for most people, and I do not envy those who think it does not apply to them. The newer technologies have a longer life because they are earlier in their market cycle. They also typically provide more performance and often more reliability as well. Except in some cases when they are first introduced, they are often cheaper as well. I have often held off purchasing until a technology is introduced or updated so I can test it. That has paid many dividends over the past two decades. I haven't used a floppy disk drive or disk (8-inch, 5-14-inch or 3-1/2-inch) for about ten years. I do not get nostalgic for them. Thank you, Mark Snyder -Original Message- > It is foolish to continue to buy into obsolete technologies such as the > old serial and parallel interfaces or floppy drives. No, it's foolish to assume that everyone has the same needs as you do. I've already given you one example of when the hardware went beyond supporting software and caused a problem. Another is when a contractor needed to use our projector for a presentation. She had the presentation on a PowerBook with only a DVI video port. The projector uses the more common (and still perfectly usable) analog VGA and we didn't have a DVI-VGA adapter available. We had to rush around and get one of our own laptops ready for her to use. I still don't buy PCs with digital video ports as that technology provides no added value to us, but costs significantly more per unit compared to analog. > I have no problem with someone continuing to use a product that still > works that relies on an obsolete technology. So long as they realize > that it will need to be replaced with a newer technology and do not > continue to poor money into it. If you are using the technology and it still provides value, it's not obsolete to you. That said, I was ecstatic when we replaced an 20-year old HP 3000 mini with a SQL client/server based system. That thing was painful to use and should have been replaced many years before. > For example, if I buy a computer, I do not want to see that it still > uses parallel ATA as its drive interface. As the market for those > drives peter out, the opportunity to replace the drive decreases. A > more current interface, such as serial ATA (SATA) or serial SCSI (SAS) > can be replaced (or upgraded) further into the future. Eventually, > buying new computers with obsolete interfaces is a losing proposition. All of my new servers and PCs use SATA or SAS drives. That makes sense, as they outperform their PATA and SCSI cousins. But, having serial *and* USB/FW ports on a computer harms nothing except the sensibilities of some people. * ==> QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in <== * ==> the body of an email & send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <== * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header "X-No-Archive: yes" will not be archived * ==> QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in <== * ==> the body of an email & send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <== * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header "X-No-Archive: yes" will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] Computer Clock settings (was [CGUYS] iMac problem)
I have a perfectly good fax modem that connects to a serial port, and no reason for buying a new one. The new computer doesn't have a built-in modem. I could connect the serial modem with a USB to serial adapter, but that's a nuisance. If it ain't broke, don't fix it. For me, the cost saving of doing without serial, parallel, floppy is insignificant. Every once in a while there is something I need on an old floppy that hasn't been moved to newer media yet. . . . And, oh yes, I have a perfectly good printer that works off a parallel port. Its PostScript interpreter is a lot better than the one that comes with my newer printer. Fred Holmes At 09:01 AM 11/8/2007, Tom Piwowar wrote: >Right now I'm trying to convince our dear retro members to stop using >serial ports and floppies. I expect my next crusade will concern parallel >ports. I think it will be a long time before I get around to stock tips. * ==> QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in <== * ==> the body of an email & send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <== * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header "X-No-Archive: yes" will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] Rip Van Winkle [Was: Looking for notebooks
> It is foolish to continue to buy into obsolete technologies such as the > old serial and parallel interfaces or floppy drives. No, it's foolish to assume that everyone has the same needs as you do. I've already given you one example of when the hardware went beyond supporting software and caused a problem. Another is when a contractor needed to use our projector for a presentation. She had the presentation on a PowerBook with only a DVI video port. The projector uses the more common (and still perfectly usable) analog VGA and we didn't have a DVI-VGA adapter available. We had to rush around and get one of our own laptops ready for her to use. I still don't buy PCs with digital video ports as that technology provides no added value to us, but costs significantly more per unit compared to analog. > I have no problem with someone continuing to use a product that still > works that relies on an obsolete technology. So long as they realize > that it will need to be replaced with a newer technology and do not > continue to poor money into it. If you are using the technology and it still provides value, it's not obsolete to you. That said, I was ecstatic when we replaced an 20-year old HP 3000 mini with a SQL client/server based system. That thing was painful to use and should have been replaced many years before. > For example, if I buy a computer, I do not want to see that it still > uses parallel ATA as its drive interface. As the market for those > drives peter out, the opportunity to replace the drive decreases. A > more current interface, such as serial ATA (SATA) or serial SCSI (SAS) > can be replaced (or upgraded) further into the future. Eventually, > buying new computers with obsolete interfaces is a losing proposition. All of my new servers and PCs use SATA or SAS drives. That makes sense, as they outperform their PATA and SCSI cousins. But, having serial *and* USB/FW ports on a computer harms nothing except the sensibilities of some people. * ==> QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in <== * ==> the body of an email & send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <== * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header "X-No-Archive: yes" will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] Rip Van Winkle [Was: Looking for notebooks
It is foolish to continue to buy into obsolete technologies such as the old serial and parallel interfaces or floppy drives. I have no problem with someone continuing to use a product that still works that relies on an obsolete technology. So long as they realize that it will need to be replaced with a newer technology and do not continue to poor money into it. For example, if I buy a computer, I do not want to see that it still uses parallel ATA as its drive interface. As the market for those drives peter out, the opportunity to replace the drive decreases. A more current interface, such as serial ATA (SATA) or serial SCSI (SAS) can be replaced (or upgraded) further into the future. Eventually, buying new computers with obsolete interfaces is a losing proposition. It is not about having the newest and shiniest tech toys! Thank you, Mark Snyder -Original Message- >I just think it's amusing for you to drag out the consultant's hammer and >nail problem resolution flowchart, telling the customer how they conduct >their business is all wrong because they're not using the "latest" >technology. That's usually the point in the meeting where I thank them for >their time and show them where the door is. I think that maybe the bottom line with all the comments regarding whether serial/parallel ports are necessary boils down to the makeup of the list participants. 1. Business consultants/IT teams that use computers as a tool and are required to support their customers/employees with the correct hammer for the nails that were purchased by someone else. and they had no input in the purchase rationale . 2. Hobbiests that are ONLY concerned with having the latest and greatest of cheap toys/software/hardware and do not have the slightest idea of the business/commercial world people who only want to get their work done.. 3. Those that just like to tweak/harangue others on the list on their poor choice of operating systems or software. They are the Trolls.. :) And if they get some all riled up, they have succeeded.. :( * ==> QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in <== * ==> the body of an email & send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <== * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header "X-No-Archive: yes" will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] Rip Van Winkle [Was: Looking for notebooks
At 12:00 AM 11/8/2007, you wrote: Date:Wed, 7 Nov 2007 23:27:29 -0500 From:Jeff Wright <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: Rip Van Winkle [Was: Looking for notebooks I just think it's amusing for you to drag out the consultant's hammer and nail problem resolution flowchart, telling the customer how they conduct their business is all wrong because they're not using the "latest" technology. That's usually the point in the meeting where I thank them for their time and show them where the door is. I think that maybe the bottom line with all the comments regarding whether serial/parallel ports are necessary boils down to the makeup of the list participants. 1. Business consultants/IT teams that use computers as a tool and are required to support their customers/employees with the correct hammer for the nails that were purchased by someone else. and they had no input in the purchase rationale . 2. Hobbiests that are ONLY concerned with having the latest and greatest of cheap toys/software/hardware and do not have the slightest idea of the business/commercial world people who only want to get their work done.. 3. Those that just like to tweak/harangue others on the list on their poor choice of operating systems or software. They are the Trolls.. :) And if they get some all riled up, they have succeeded.. :( Rich * ==> QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in <== * ==> the body of an email & send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <== * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header "X-No-Archive: yes" will not be archived
