[CGUYS] Upgrade the video card?
As digital files get larger and more numerous, I find even simple sorting and labeling tasks get more sluggish. I have a Dell Dimension Pentium 4 running XP. I have maxxed on RAM, and installed a SATA hard dive. Would upgrading the video card make much of a difference, or have I gotten near the limits of my processor and bus? Other suggestions? Quentin Fisher Bethesda, MD _ * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] Upgrade the video card?
Get a 4GB flash drive, install it permanently, and put the swap file on it. Use it all for the swap file. For that portion of the swap file, set the min and max sizes of the swap file to be the size of the whole drive (as much as Windows will allow, which is a few megabytes less than all of it). Keep some swap file on the installed hard drive, and set its minimum size as low as possible. Then, early use of the swap file should default to the flash drive, but there is swap file available if the flash drive should fail or become accidentally removed. Fred Holmes At 07:36 AM 12/26/2007, Quentin Fisher wrote: As digital files get larger and more numerous, I find even simple sorting and labeling tasks get more sluggish. I have a Dell Dimension Pentium 4 running XP. I have maxxed on RAM, and installed a SATA hard dive. Would upgrading the video card make much of a difference, or have I gotten near the limits of my processor and bus? Other suggestions? * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] Upgrade the video card?
a new generation of flash memory has come out. it is much faster, and not that much more expensive. http://www.steves-digicams.com/pdf/sdhc.pdf when I bought one of these from bestbuy on stupid sale: Card-SDSDBR-409 SKU: 7956599 it came with a card reader. an $8 value!! it is not backward compatable with old sd. At 08:02 AM 12/26/2007, you wrote: Get a 4GB flash drive, install it permanently, and put the swap file on it. Use it all for the swap file. For that portion of the swap file, set the min and max sizes of the swap file to be the size of the whole drive (as much as Windows will allow, which is a few megabytes less than all of it). Keep some swap file on the installed hard drive, and set its minimum size as low as possible. Then, early use of the swap file should default to the flash drive, but there is swap file available if the flash drive should fail or become accidentally removed. Fred Holmes At 07:36 AM 12/26/2007, Quentin Fisher wrote: As digital files get larger and more numerous, I find even simple sorting and labeling tasks get more sluggish. I have a Dell Dimension Pentium 4 running XP. I have maxxed on RAM, and installed a SATA hard dive. Would upgrading the video card make much of a difference, or have I gotten near the limits of my processor and bus? Other suggestions? * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
[CGUYS] Can't open larger images
A friend sent me this message, and I am stumped as to the reason for, or the solution to, his problem. Any thoughts? I've got a question about a problem I've been having with my computer. I can't open larger photo (jpeg) files anymore . . . I get a blank screen, and depending upon which photo display software I use I either get message cannot create bitmap file (ACD See), or just a blank screen (Explorer). I'm unable to edit the file as well. For example I can see a 800x300 photo, but not a 1500x700. This only began a week or so ago. He is running Windows XP on a generic PC and doesn't have any kind of unusual hardware or software - just normal homeowner stuff. Mike * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] 1024 cylinder threshhold
You are right., Don't worry about it. If I recall, it was mostly a BIOS issue - whether it could recognize a large partition to boot from it or not. You could double check and check your BIOS settings at boot time - go into Setup with a special key like Del or F2. If there is something about enabling LBA, enable it. -- John DeCarlo, My Views Are My Own * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] Upgrade the video card?
Any P4 level machine should be able to handle photos easily, even 5-7 megapixel ones (but you weren't real specific). I'm going to guess this is a problem with whatever app you're using to process the pix. Try updating it or un/reinstalling it. Be more specific about what part of the process is slow, e.g. when you drag a pic onto Windows Media Player is it slow to display it? If you're 'maxxed on RAM' then I assume you mean 2gb or more. That should be plenty and you should never be hitting your paging (swap) file. If you were, I'd still disagree that using a flash drive and trying to force the page file to it would be a good idea. First, Windows automatically chooses the best page file to use, and there's no way it should pick one with only 4gb on the whole drive. On Dec 26, 2007 7:36 AM, Quentin Fisher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As digital files get larger and more numerous, I find even simple sorting and labeling tasks get more sluggish. I have a Dell Dimension Pentium 4 running XP. I have maxxed on RAM, and installed a SATA hard dive. Would upgrading the video card make much of a difference, or have I gotten near the limits of my processor and bus? Other suggestions? * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] Upgrade the video card?
Fred Holmes wrote: Get a 4GB flash drive, install it permanently, and put the swap file on it. Use it all for the swap file. For that portion of the swap file, set the min and max sizes of the swap file to be the size of the whole drive (as much as Windows will allow, which is a few megabytes less than all of it). Keep some swap file on the installed hard drive, and set its minimum size as low as possible. Then, early use of the swap file should default to the flash drive, but there is swap file available if the flash drive should fail or become accidentally removed. Fred Holmes At 07:36 AM 12/26/2007, Quentin Fisher wrote: As digital files get larger and more numerous, I find even simple sorting and labeling tasks get more sluggish. I have a Dell Dimension Pentium 4 running XP. I have maxxed on RAM, and installed a SATA hard dive. Would upgrading the video card make much of a difference, or have I gotten near the limits of my processor and bus? Other suggestions? This seems counter intuitive to me. I would think that writing to the SATA hard drive from the processor would be way far faster than writing to a USB thumb drive. John * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] Can't open larger images
Not enough swap file? Try increasing it a whole lot. At 09:29 AM 12/26/2007, Mike Sloane wrote: A friend sent me this message, and I am stumped as to the reason for, or the solution to, his problem. Any thoughts? I've got a question about a problem I've been having with my computer. I can't open larger photo (jpeg) files anymore . . . I get a blank screen, and depending upon which photo display software I use I either get message cannot create bitmap file (ACD See), or just a blank screen (Explorer). I'm unable to edit the file as well. For example I can see a 800x300 photo, but not a 1500x700. This only began a week or so ago. He is running Windows XP on a generic PC and doesn't have any kind of unusual hardware or software - just normal homeowner stuff. Mike * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] Upgrade the video card?
It is counterintuitive. mike On Dec 26, 2007 9:18 AM, John H. Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Fred Holmes wrote: Get a 4GB flash drive, install it permanently, and put the swap file on it. Use it all for the swap file. For that portion of the swap file, set the min and max sizes of the swap file to be the size of the whole drive (as much as Windows will allow, which is a few megabytes less than all of it). Keep some swap file on the installed hard drive, and set its minimum size as low as possible. Then, early use of the swap file should default to the flash drive, but there is swap file available if the flash drive should fail or become accidentally removed. Fred Holmes At 07:36 AM 12/26/2007, Quentin Fisher wrote: As digital files get larger and more numerous, I find even simple sorting and labeling tasks get more sluggish. I have a Dell Dimension Pentium 4 running XP. I have maxxed on RAM, and installed a SATA hard dive. Would upgrading the video card make much of a difference, or have I gotten near the limits of my processor and bus? Other suggestions? This seems counter intuitive to me. I would think that writing to the SATA hard drive from the processor would be way far faster than writing to a USB thumb drive. John * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] Upgrade the video card?
For small files, quite true, but for large files, I suspect that the rotational speed and cylinder-to-cylinder tracking would be the bottleneck. It sure has helped my machine with very large files, and it does get used, as evidenced by the activity light on the thumb drive. It's not very difficult to try and see whether you like it. Fred Holmes At 11:18 AM 12/26/2007, John H. Davis wrote: This seems counter intuitive to me. I would think that writing to the SATA hard drive from the processor would be way far faster than writing to a USB thumb drive. John * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
[CGUYS] Apple Record
SAN FRANCISCO (MarketWatch) -- Apple Inc. (AAPL: Apple Inc AAPL 199.95, +1.15, +0.6%) shares on Wednesday hit $200 for the first time in the company's history. In afternoon trading, Apple's stock rose $1.20 to a new all-time intraday high of $200 a share. For the year, Apple's stock has risen 134% as the company has seen strong sales of its Macintosh computers and the iPhone. * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
[CGUYS] iPod battery
My iPod Mini battery is starting to go. I believe Tom says that he replaced his iPod battery. Where can I find a battery and how to replace it? Thanks, Steve * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] If it is not our idea, then either screw it or the
Apple or any of its employees do not accept or consider unsolicited ideas, including ideas for new advertising campaigns, new promotions, new or improved products or technologies, product enhancements, It is one of those damned if you do and damned if you don't situations. I'm sure most of us have read of patent trolls' attempts to plunder corporations over their supposed intellectual property. If Apple did not send out notices like this they would be deluged with junk mail with product ideas from trolls and every new product Apple introduced would start a flurry of IP suits. On the other hand, letting their own lawyers run amuck is going to be damaging to any company's reputation. This is especially bad when the company doing it is so well loved by its customers. * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] iPod battery
I've never replaced an iPod battery, but in general I like this company, and I think the NuPower batteries are very good. They have PDFs or videos to show you how. I've been happy with batteries I've bought for 2 Powerbooks. I assume you Googled iPod Battery or some such. Jordan Stephen Brownfield wrote: My iPod Mini battery is starting to go. I believe Tom says that he replaced his iPod battery. Where can I find a battery and how to replace it? Thanks, Steve * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] iPod battery
My iPod Mini battery is starting to go. I believe Tom says that he replaced his iPod battery. Where can I find a battery and how to replace it? Thanks, Try OtherWorld Computing, http://eshop.macsales.com/shop/ipod/. Most [Newer Technology, http://newertech.com/products/ipod.php] battery kits are around $20, including tool to open iPod. Other vendors may have kits as low as $15. My son changed the battery in his gen 1 iPod, said it was very easy, much easier than replacing the FW port that loosened from carrying it by the cable. Betty * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] iPod battery
Try OtherWorld Computing, http://eshop.macsales.com/shop/ipod/. This is where I got my battery. * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] Can't open larger images
I've got a question about a problem I've been having with my computer. I can't open larger photo (jpeg) files anymore . . . I get a blank screen, and depending upon which photo display software I use I either get message cannot create bitmap file This scenario is usually caused by a lack of RAM. * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] If it is not our idea, then either screw it or the person who thought it up
This is where Henry IV was right- The first thing we do, let's kill all the lawyers. What they need to do is label a response form as the suggestion box and append the disclaimer. It would give the apple fans a feeling of inclusion and Steve the willies. Good things all around. On Dec 24, 2007 12:27 PM, Roger D. Parish [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 10:00 AM -0500 12/24/07, Steve Rigby wrote: Apple has now begun to review their policies along these lines, especially as they pertain to how Apple responds to children. See also the Fake Steve Jobs blog http://fakesteve.blogspot.com/ and his current dealings with Apple Legal. It sounds like the legal department is staffed with some very eager beaver lawyers who would like to be known as junk-yard dogs. -- Roger Lovettsville, VA * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived -- John Duncan Yoyo ---o) * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived