Re: [CGUYS] FYI: Safari on the Windows Platform
Is it really a flaw? As I understand it from what I have read on the web, Safari will download what you tell it to where you have told it to. In the case of Windows, the default is the desktop, a fairly common choice. Unfortunately for windows users, the desktop is an unsafe location because executables on the desktop work differently, read more permissively, than elsewhere. The flaw in my view is thus on the Windows desktop. Safari already has a fix available - choose a different location. What would you have Apple do - code Safari to break the aspect of Windows that allows executables from the desktop? Matthew On Jun 3, 2008, at 2:52 PM, mike wrote: They are naive and code badly because of it? You keep spinning and yer gonna get dizzy. Apple also said they aren't going to fix the issue. Professionalism? Google apple microsoft zero day patch and you'll hit articles showing apple is so professional they lag behind in issuing zero day patches compared to MS. So to sum up. Safari has a flaw, that enables a second flaw in explorer to be exploited. MS is going to patch explorer, Apple has zero plans to patch even though when MS patches, the safari bug will still have security effects on the system. And you think MS is less professional then Apple is used to working with? Mike On Tue, Jun 3, 2008 at 9:41 AM, Tom Piwowar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Comments I've read from Windows programmers suggest that Apple's programmers may be a bit too naive about Windows. Despite hearing all the stories about Windows' foulness they still assume a higher level of quality and professionalism than Microsoft is able to deliver. Consequently problems like this fall through. Still, what is it about the Windows desktop that is particularly dangerous? Should I be concerned about keeping any files on the desktop? The last paragraph is the critical one for Tom to notice. * According to Raff, unless Apple patches the bug, more attacks like the one he found in IE are likely to pop up. This is not the only issue that can be combined with the Safari vulnerability, he said. If Microsoft fixes this, Safari users will still be vulnerable. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] a list problem
I wonder if this had anything to with the list problem: http://tech.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/06/01/1715247 Customers hosting with ThePlanet, a major Texas hosting provider, are going through some tough times. Yesterday May 31 evening at 5:45 pm local time an electrical short caused a fire and explosion in the power room, knocking out walls and taking the entire facility offline. No one was hurt and no servers were damaged. Estimates suggest 9,000 servers are offline, affecting 7,500 customers, with ETAs for repair of at least 24 hours from onset. While they claim redundant power, because of the nature of the problem they had to go completely dark. This goes to show that no matter how much planning you do, Murphy's Law still applies. David On Jun 3, 2008, at 6:36 PM, COMPUTERGUYS-L automatic digest system wrote: Subject: Re: a list problem I just received this email today (6/1/08). It is the first email since 1:30 am on 5/28/08. How do I know if my mail is bouncing back and what do I need to do to keep on the list? I think AOL was down over the weekend. The message I got said I wasn't able to establish an SMTP connection so that means AOL's inbound email server was down. It is now back up, so you need to do nothing on that score. If you are getting bounces for other reasons you may have to follow up. First thing to do is to just send the message again. Larger ISPs have multiple SMTP servers. Sometimes one gets blacklisted, but when you send again you have a good chance of getting a different SMTP server. If the bounce persists you need to talk to your ISP. If you think your are not getting mail from the list the first thing to check is the archives. This list is archived on two systems (details at cguys.org). That will give you something definite to show your ISP. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] FYI: Safari on the Windows Platform
http://www.pcworld.com/article/id,145985-page,1/article.html?tk=synd_macworld A good explanation of the problem from a mac source. The bottom line is this apparently: The problem arises because the Safari browser cannot be configured to obtain the user's permission before it downloads a resource, The other main sticking point is that even if MS fixes their bug, and they are already doing so, the safari bug will STILL AFFECT systems. The same problem that works in conjuction with the MS bug, can be exploited in other ways. Apple users have been told for so long they are more secure, common sense eludes them. That last pwn to own contest should have taken some of the air out of these mac zealots...the guy that cracked the mac did so because in his words it was the easiest platform to attack. I'm starting to think that only an all out attack on os x will ever convice some users. But then security by keeping the base users numbers so low that it's not worth an attack seems to work as well. Mike On Wed, Jun 4, 2008 at 6:18 AM, Matthew Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is it really a flaw? As I understand it from what I have read on the web, Safari will download what you tell it to where you have told it to. In the case of Windows, the default is the desktop, a fairly common choice. Unfortunately for windows users, the desktop is an unsafe location because executables on the desktop work differently, read more permissively, than elsewhere. The flaw in my view is thus on the Windows desktop. Safari already has a fix available - choose a different location. What would you have Apple do - code Safari to break the aspect of Windows that allows executables from the desktop? Matthew On Jun 3, 2008, at 2:52 PM, mike wrote: They are naive and code badly because of it? You keep spinning and yer gonna get dizzy. Apple also said they aren't going to fix the issue. Professionalism? Google apple microsoft zero day patch and you'll hit articles showing apple is so professional they lag behind in issuing zero day patches compared to MS. So to sum up. Safari has a flaw, that enables a second flaw in explorer to be exploited. MS is going to patch explorer, Apple has zero plans to patch even though when MS patches, the safari bug will still have security effects on the system. And you think MS is less professional then Apple is used to working with? Mike On Tue, Jun 3, 2008 at 9:41 AM, Tom Piwowar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Comments I've read from Windows programmers suggest that Apple's programmers may be a bit too naive about Windows. Despite hearing all the stories about Windows' foulness they still assume a higher level of quality and professionalism than Microsoft is able to deliver. Consequently problems like this fall through. Still, what is it about the Windows desktop that is particularly dangerous? Should I be concerned about keeping any files on the desktop? The last paragraph is the critical one for Tom to notice. * According to Raff, unless Apple patches the bug, more attacks like the one he found in IE are likely to pop up. This is not the only issue that can be combined with the Safari vulnerability, he said. If Microsoft fixes this, Safari users will still be vulnerable. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] FYI: Safari on the Windows Platform
On Jun 4, 2008, at 11:13 AM, mike wrote: http://www.pcworld.com/article/id,145985-page,1/article.html?tk=synd_macworld A good explanation of the problem from a mac source. The bottom line is this apparently: The problem arises because the Safari browser cannot be configured to obtain the user's permission before it downloads a resource, This is a feature issue, not a security issue, ie social engineering. If the user says Yes and downloads the malware including package to the desktop, boom, package delivered. The problem is the vulnerability being exploited on the Windows side. Can you name any browser that natively will not download malware even if the users approves? The other main sticking point is that even if MS fixes their bug, and they are already doing so, the safari bug will STILL AFFECT systems. The same problem that works in conjuction with the MS bug, can be exploited in other ways. How? By downloading malware to another vulnerable location? Again, this is Safari's problem? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] FYI: Safari on the Windows Platform
I suppose my problem is I'm going by several different experts in the field instead of deferring to hobbyists for my information. Mike On Wed, Jun 4, 2008 at 9:03 AM, Matthew Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jun 4, 2008, at 11:13 AM, mike wrote: http://www.pcworld.com/article/id,145985-page,1/article.html?tk=synd_macworld A good explanation of the problem from a mac source. The bottom line is this apparently: The problem arises because the Safari browser cannot be configured to obtain the user's permission before it downloads a resource, This is a feature issue, not a security issue, ie social engineering. If the user says Yes and downloads the malware including package to the desktop, boom, package delivered. The problem is the vulnerability being exploited on the Windows side. Can you name any browser that natively will not download malware even if the users approves? The other main sticking point is that even if MS fixes their bug, and they are already doing so, the safari bug will STILL AFFECT systems. The same problem that works in conjuction with the MS bug, can be exploited in other ways. How? By downloading malware to another vulnerable location? Again, this is Safari's problem? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] FYI: Safari on the Windows Platform
I am not saying Safari could not be better - it is my third favorite browser behind Opera and Firefox / Camino. I want to be asked by my browser at each step of the way - others do not. Matthew On Jun 4, 2008, at 12:59 PM, mike wrote: I suppose my problem is I'm going by several different experts in the field instead of deferring to hobbyists for my information. Mike On Wed, Jun 4, 2008 at 9:03 AM, Matthew Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jun 4, 2008, at 11:13 AM, mike wrote: http://www.pcworld.com/article/id,145985-page,1/article.html?tk=synd_macworld A good explanation of the problem from a mac source. The bottom line is this apparently: The problem arises because the Safari browser cannot be configured to obtain the user's permission before it downloads a resource, This is a feature issue, not a security issue, ie social engineering. If the user says Yes and downloads the malware including package to the desktop, boom, package delivered. The problem is the vulnerability being exploited on the Windows side. Can you name any browser that natively will not download malware even if the users approves? The other main sticking point is that even if MS fixes their bug, and they are already doing so, the safari bug will STILL AFFECT systems. The same problem that works in conjuction with the MS bug, can be exploited in other ways. How? By downloading malware to another vulnerable location? Again, this is Safari's problem? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] FYI: Safari on the Windows Platform
Don't suppose your problems; examine them. Aside from the nasty proclivity to interpret expert as 'someone who agrees with me' maybe branch out a little and examine also your tendency to be unnecessarily snarky and defensive when you reply to posts on this list. Thank you, Mark Snyder -Original Message- I suppose my problem is I'm going by several different experts in the field instead of deferring to hobbyists for my information. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] AVG dissatisfaction
I have not had AVG8 reboot my computer since I installed it last month. Change your settings... have AVG scan at the end of the day, not on reboot. DON'T reboot when it asks. Finish your work and then reboot when you go to lunch. A greyed out AVG icon just means that the latest version is not yet installed... you are still protected from over 100,000 viruses and worms! Your ISP is likely scanning your incomming email for viruses, so your risk is very small. - Original Message - From: Robert [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [CGUYS] AVG dissatisfaction * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] AVG dissatisfaction
Three apps may deal with things better than one swiss army program. I have all three on a swiss army knife but I would rather own a screwdriver, a kitchen knife and a can opener. On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 11:31 PM, mike [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: True...but why use three instead of one? Why shouldn't one app deal with it? Mike On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 8:23 PM, Tony B [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This may be true, but there's only so much a program can do to protect you from all malware. Use anything but IE6, immunize with Spybot, and always use DropMyRights and there's no need for your AV app to deal with that stuff. On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 10:31 PM, mike [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was looking at AVG free but it only includes anti virusit seems to me there are very little true viruses left out there and that most are malware, adware...spyware etc. I switched to Avast free because it includes all of the above. If AVG is going to split hairs between viruses and spyware, where are they starting and stopping in protecting users? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * -- John Duncan Yoyo ---o) * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] DSLR question (was over shooting
Camera newbie question.nbsp; I hate shutter lag in digital cameras.nbsp; The frames per secondnbsp; rate in the Nikon D70nbsp; 3 fps whereas the D40 specs claims 2.5 fps. Given that the D40 is about $500 less,nbsp; how adequate (e.g. for shooting pictures of one's children) is the D40'snbsp; shooting rate? -Paul Meyer Checkout One Laptop Per Child project laptop.org --- On Wed, 5/28/08, Richard P. lt;[EMAIL PROTECTED]gt; wrote: From: Richard P. lt;[EMAIL PROTECTED]gt; Subject: Re: [CGUYS] over shooting To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Date: Wednesday, May 28, 2008, 1:32 PM I was referring to point-and-shoot digital cameras that have the lag. It's good to know that DSLR's don't have this issue, but until their price gets down to a more reasonable level, I'll have to wait. Thanks for the clarification. Richard P. gt; Are we talking DSLR's or point and shoot Digitals? gt; gt; With a DSLR, the shutter lag is practically non-existent. I shoot with gt; a Nikon D70 DSLR that I use for everything from sports, racing, gt; weddings, fires, etc. gt; gt; With a point-and-shoot digital, the shutter lag can be very frustrating. gt; I used one every now and then and have found you have to anticipate the gt; shot - get the focal point preset and wait for the action to come to gt; you. Of course it's easier for racing photography than for a football gt; game. :-) gt; gt; Larry gt; gt; gt; The digital shutter lag is something I was never able to overcome. By gt; the time the camera had figured out that it was taking a picture, the gt; moment was over. Now I use digital for primarily still/staged shots. If gt; I capture a moment in digital, it is more often accidental, as opposed gt; gt; to a mechanical shutter which one could anticipate and depend upon. gt; gt; Richard P. gt; gt; gt; gt; * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] DSLR question (was over shooting
Paul - Agonising over fps is what the marketing guys want you to do, right up there with obssesing about fake megapixel ratings. Get yourself to a store, try the D40, if you like it, buy it. The D70 is yesterday's great camera, not today's. Check this for more: http://www.kenrockwell.com/tech/recommended-cameras.htm DSLR shutter lag is negligible; however, only the high-end digital cameras come up to the response of mechanical cameras. If you make your rent money shooting, you will notice even infinitesimal lag; if not, probably not. There is no practical difference between 3fps and 2.5fps. Chad --- On Wed, 6/4/08, Paul Meyer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Paul Meyer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CGUYS] DSLR question (was over shooting To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Date: Wednesday, June 4, 2008, 8:24 PM Camera newbie question.nbsp; I hate shutter lag in digital cameras.nbsp; The frames per secondnbsp; rate in the Nikon D70nbsp; 3 fps whereas the D40 specs claims 2.5 fps. Given that the D40 is about $500 less,nbsp; how adequate (e.g. for shooting pictures of one's children) is the D40'snbsp; shooting rate? -Paul Meyer Checkout One Laptop Per Child project laptop.org --- On Wed, 5/28/08, Richard P. lt;[EMAIL PROTECTED]gt; wrote: From: Richard P. lt;[EMAIL PROTECTED]gt; Subject: Re: [CGUYS] over shooting To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Date: Wednesday, May 28, 2008, 1:32 PM I was referring to point-and-shoot digital cameras that have the lag. It's good to know that DSLR's don't have this issue, but until their price gets down to a more reasonable level, I'll have to wait. Thanks for the clarification. Richard P. gt; Are we talking DSLR's or point and shoot Digitals? gt; gt; With a DSLR, the shutter lag is practically non-existent. I shoot with gt; a Nikon D70 DSLR that I use for everything from sports, racing, gt; weddings, fires, etc. gt; gt; With a point-and-shoot digital, the shutter lag can be very frustrating. gt; I used one every now and then and have found you have to anticipate the gt; shot - get the focal point preset and wait for the action to come to gt; you. Of course it's easier for racing photography than for a football gt; game. :-) gt; gt; Larry gt; gt; gt; The digital shutter lag is something I was never able to overcome. By gt; the time the camera had figured out that it was taking a picture, the gt; moment was over. Now I use digital for primarily still/staged shots. If gt; I capture a moment in digital, it is more often accidental, as opposed gt; gt; to a mechanical shutter which one could anticipate and depend upon. gt; gt; Richard P. gt; gt; gt; gt; * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] DSLR question (was over shooting
If you have a sport setting on your cheap digital camera it has a less of a lag. On Wed, Jun 4, 2008 at 9:10 PM, chad evans wyatt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Paul - Agonising over fps is what the marketing guys want you to do, right up there with obssesing about fake megapixel ratings. Get yourself to a store, try the D40, if you like it, buy it. The D70 is yesterday's great camera, not today's. Check this for more: http://www.kenrockwell.com/tech/recommended-cameras.htm DSLR shutter lag is negligible; however, only the high-end digital cameras come up to the response of mechanical cameras. If you make your rent money shooting, you will notice even infinitesimal lag; if not, probably not. There is no practical difference between 3fps and 2.5fps. Chad --- On Wed, 6/4/08, Paul Meyer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Paul Meyer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CGUYS] DSLR question (was over shooting To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Date: Wednesday, June 4, 2008, 8:24 PM Camera newbie question. I hate shutter lag in digital cameras. The frames per second rate in the Nikon D70 3 fps whereas the D40 specs claims 2.5 fps. Given that the D40 is about $500 less, how adequate (e.g. for shooting pictures of one's children) is the D40's shooting rate? -Paul Meyer Checkout One Laptop Per Child project laptop.org --- On Wed, 5/28/08, Richard P. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Richard P. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CGUYS] over shooting To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Date: Wednesday, May 28, 2008, 1:32 PM I was referring to point-and-shoot digital cameras that have the lag. It's good to know that DSLR's don't have this issue, but until their price gets down to a more reasonable level, I'll have to wait. Thanks for the clarification. Richard P. Are we talking DSLR's or point and shoot Digitals? With a DSLR, the shutter lag is practically non-existent. I shoot with a Nikon D70 DSLR that I use for everything from sports, racing, weddings, fires, etc. With a point-and-shoot digital, the shutter lag can be very frustrating. I used one every now and then and have found you have to anticipate the shot - get the focal point preset and wait for the action to come to you. Of course it's easier for racing photography than for a football game. :-) Larry The digital shutter lag is something I was never able to overcome. By the time the camera had figured out that it was taking a picture, the moment was over. Now I use digital for primarily still/staged shots. If I capture a moment in digital, it is more often accidental, as opposed to a mechanical shutter which one could anticipate and depend upon. Richard P. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * -- John Duncan Yoyo ---o) * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
[CGUYS] Don't blame it on the operating system! [was Fool MLS: Make Safari look like IE on Windows?]
Don't blame it on the operating system, I have problems when trying to access websites that are coded for just IE. It is frustrating that some people do not even know that they are blocking many users when they use code specific to IE. Mike Alvin Auerbach wrote: Thanks Jordan, I'll try that also. Alvin On May 23, 2008, at 8:58 AM, Jordan wrote: I don't know if this of any use to you , but the MLS site works fine on my iMac using Firefox. Jordan Alvin Auerbach wrote: Thanks Michael, I will not be able to try using this for a while (although I've set it up), as it's for when my GF uses my computer, and she will not be doing this for a while. I hope it works, and I can show her that she can use a Mac for her work! Alvin On May 22, 2008, at 5:35 PM, Michael Lewis wrote: Alvin Auerbach sez: For some reason, the real estate industry's MLS on the Web will work only on IE on Windows. Is there a way to fool MLS, and make Safari on a Mac look like IE on Windows? Thanks, Alvin - Go to Preferences. - Click to show the Advanced panel. - At bottom, check the Show Develop menu in menu bar option. - Close the panel and go to the new Develop menubar selection. Under that will be a place to select User Agent. Choose the IE version you wish to try and see if it works. -- Michael Lewis Off Balance Productions [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.offbalance.com * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * -- *Mike Drabick HDH Construction Consultants, Inc 200 Harry S. Truman Parkway Suite 220 Annapolis, MD 21401 410-571-1100 410-571-1177 Fax* * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] FYI: Safari on the Windows Platform
Snarky? I think your post qualified as you assume you know where and what I read and that it was all hobbyist. I read your suggested article (earlier) and others. They all boil down to it was a non problem if Windows did not allow such arbitrary code execution. Matthew On Jun 4, 2008, at 1:26 PM, Snyder, Mark (IT Civ) wrote: Don't suppose your problems; examine them. Aside from the nasty proclivity to interpret expert as 'someone who agrees with me' maybe branch out a little and examine also your tendency to be unnecessarily snarky and defensive when you reply to posts on this list. Thank you, Mark Snyder -Original Message- I suppose my problem is I'm going by several different experts in the field instead of deferring to hobbyists for my information. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] FYI: Safari on the Windows Platform
http://www.pcworld.com/article/id,145985-page,1/article.html?tk=synd_macworld This article doesn't say much, but dropped enough names that I could Google for the real story. That is at www.dhanjani.com. I used Dhanjani's information to create a carpet bomb page and cgi as described. I tried it in IE, FireFox, and Safari. Safari did download a bunch of files without asking first. Both IE and FireFox did ask first. I agree that this is nasty behavior on the part of Safari, but it is not in itself a security breach. Nothing got executed on my computer. Of course this could be the first step in something bad happening and it was all too easy to do. I hope Apple fixes this. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] FYI: Safari on the Windows Platform
Or if Apple fixed it.. On Wed, Jun 4, 2008 at 10:49 AM, Matthew Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: They all boil down to it was a non problem if Windows did not allow such arbitrary code execution. Matthew * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] FYI: Safari on the Windows Platform
Apologies to you Mark - don't know where my head was. You were not even replying to me, leet alone the author of the below. Time for this old crank to take a nap I think... Matthew On Jun 4, 2008, at 1:26 PM, Snyder, Mark (IT Civ) wrote: Don't suppose your problems; examine them. Aside from the nasty proclivity to interpret expert as 'someone who agrees with me' maybe branch out a little and examine also your tendency to be unnecessarily snarky and defensive when you reply to posts on this list. Thank you, Mark Snyder -Original Message- I suppose my problem is I'm going by several different experts in the field instead of deferring to hobbyists for my information. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http:// www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Next Version of Windows to Copy iPhone
mike Most thorough news agencies are citing MS's surface, not the iphone for where MS is going with windows 7. They were released very close together..technically I think surface was first. Yeah, but like Aero, it needs special hardware to make it go? How many existing machines will have the hardware? How many businesses will say I have to have this! and replace all of their desktops? How many home users? -- Take care | This clown speaks for himself, his job doesn't Wayne D. | supply this, at least not directly I used to have a handle on life, then it broke. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] FYI: Safari on the Windows Platform
It's snooty, thank you. I can't really say I agree or disagree, I was just reading facts. In reality do I think the safari exploit matters in real world environment? Of course not, there is no money (yet) in attacking Apple products. This is if the tree falls in the forrest...if safari or os x has a vulnerability, does it matter since no one will exploit it? FYI, the safari issue exists on the os x side also, not just windows. Mike On Wed, Jun 4, 2008 at 10:26 AM, Snyder, Mark (IT Civ) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Don't suppose your problems; examine them. Aside from the nasty proclivity to interpret expert as 'someone who agrees with me' maybe branch out a little and examine also your tendency to be unnecessarily snarky and defensive when you reply to posts on this list. Thank you, Mark Snyder -Original Message- I suppose my problem is I'm going by several different experts in the field instead of deferring to hobbyists for my information. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Next Version of Windows to Copy iPhone
This will be a feature...use it if you have the hardware. Only real thing I could see using it for is on some special display in place of whiteboards. Mike On Wed, Jun 4, 2008 at 7:29 PM, Wayne Dernoncourt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: mike Most thorough news agencies are citing MS's surface, not the iphone for where MS is going with windows 7. They were released very close together..technically I think surface was first. Yeah, but like Aero, it needs special hardware to make it go? How many existing machines will have the hardware? How many businesses will say I have to have this! and replace all of their desktops? How many home users? -- Take care | This clown speaks for himself, his job doesn't Wayne D. | supply this, at least not directly I used to have a handle on life, then it broke. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
[CGUYS] Marathon
Does anyone know if they make the old game Marathon for the Mac OS-X? And if not, those who remember the game under OS-9, did you ever play an add on scenario where you were put in a place of old Italian(?) monks? And if so, any idea where I can find it? I've searched everything I could on the web. Jeff M * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
