Re: [CGUYS] HOME OWNERSHIP
On Sat, Jan 31, 2009 at 5:58 PM, rleesimon rleesi...@gmail.com wrote: it's an obamarama! More of a Bush Up. Failing to have the regulators regulate for eight years is part of the problem. It probably started in Clinton or the older Bush although I have heard people blaming Reagan for all this. -Original Message- From: gerald [mailto:ger...@slawecki.com] Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2009 4:41 PM Subject: Re: HOME OWNERSHIP tom, i'm not going to dig it up, but the wash post had a large story about the poor lady in woodbridge who has a house in foreclosure. and is now owned by fnm. she upped the mortgage and took the cash to get a better house.(the house was valued around 225-250k). i do not know what she purchased. around 30% of the houses in the original group became distressed(foreclosed). rents in the area dropped from $2000 a month to under $1000 a month(called a dutch auction), as everybody was playing the sell it and move game. she could not afford to pay for her new home, and the house she was specing with $800 rent, as payments piti were around 2000/mo. house was foreclosed by fnm and went into the pile. since we do supply and demand on stuff like this, house is sitting on market at 130k or something like that, while offers are at 80k. this is a bit of a special circumstance, as this is prince william county virginia, where the ruling fathers have decided to export all non-wasps, or at least check them daily to be certain they are qualified as psuedo wasps. they are a bit uncomfortable attacking afro americans, but all hispanics, indians, have been abused to the place that they have left. fortunately for them, most sold before the crash. At 04:10 PM 1/31/2009, you wrote: a very high percentage of the houses being foreclosed are not HOMES. i'm pretty certain that even FNM/FRE allowed up to 4 home loans. takes a very divided family to need 4 homes. this stuff belonged to either speculators, or to innocents that decided to take their money out of their original home and buy a bigger one, leaving behind a house/building. Interesting point. If that is the case why does an income-producing property go into foreclosure? Did all of the tennants in these areas get whiped out in a cataclysm that the government is keeping secret? Something else must have happened to cause this sequence of events. What? *** ** ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * -- John Duncan Yoyo ---o) * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Resodding the mall, was Re: [CGUYS] Senate Approves
In my small government experience, it was council members' fear that raising water and sewer rates angers the voters, their neighbors. So previous councils pretended the problems in the water and sewer systems didn't need to be funded. They did cheap, little fixes that made the problems a bit less visible. By the time I got on council we almost lost our two water towers due to lack of maintenance. Our waste water plant was near end of life, but no one had thought of funding a replacement; they thought we could get another grant. People yelled at me many times when they saw I was behind increasing rates. I asked each of them if we should keep rates low and then shut it all down when it falls apart in two to three years. They weren't pleased, but they saw that we were serious and that we could not get any state or federal grants. This is the result when we keep cutting taxes at higher levels and shift all responsibilities to municipal governments. This is also the result when big governments increase the mandatory requirements we must meet, but provide no funding to meet them. It is not pretty or easy when small towns suddenly start seeing the gigantic future bills! If the state legislature keeps cutting taxes, the local taxes and fees will have to increase dramatically. Thank you, Mark Snyder -Original Message- From: Computer Guys Discussion List [mailto:computerguy...@listserv.aol.com] On Behalf Of Tom Piwowar Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2009 4:51 PM To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Subject: Re: [CGUYS] Resodding the mall, was Re: [CGUYS] Senate Approves Not if the laws of the jurisdiction mandate such up front. I also never said there should not be adequate planning - I assume it is the duty of the government to plan for such eventualities. Are you telling me you are not? I think the cons/neocons describe this as passing debts on to future generations. Past generations built the infrastructure. Then the cons/neocons got control and screamed no taxes -- I want to be free (probably because they were hippies in their youth). Then the bridges started to fall down, the water mains broke, and the power grid failed. Now guess who has to pay the debt: it is us. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Resodding the mall, was Re: [CGUYS] Senate Approves
Normal 0 false false false EN-US X-NONE HE Actually, guys the elephant in the room is.. pensions. The Feds, the States, and the locals have the largest unfunded pension liability. Don't even think that the PBGC can bail these out- and it's small potatoes compared to the private sector. Eschew Obfuscation This is a reply from: Roy A. Ackerman, Ph.D., E.A. Financial, Managerial, and Technical Services for the Professional, Non-Profit, and the Entrepreneurial Organization 703.548.1343 voice 703.783.1340 fax From: Snyder, Mark (IT-EI) mark.sny...@ngc.com Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2009 6:42 AM To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Subject: Re: [CGUYS] Resodding the mall, was Re: [CGUYS] Senate Approves In my small government experience, it was council members' fear that raising water and sewer rates angers the voters, their neighbors. So previous councils pretended the problems in the water and sewer systems didn't need to be funded. They did cheap, little fixes that made the problems a bit less visible. By the time I got on council we almost lost our two water towers due to lack of maintenance. Our waste water plant was near end of life, but no one had thought of funding a replacement; they thought we could get another grant. People yelled at me many times when they saw I was behind increasing rates. I asked each of them if we should keep rates low and then shut it all down when it falls apart in two to three years. They weren't pleased, but they saw that we were serious and that we could not get any state or federal grants. This is the result when we keep cutting taxes at higher levels and shift all responsibilities to municipal governments. This is also the result when big governments increase the mandatory requirements we must meet, but provide no funding to meet them. It is not pretty or easy when small towns suddenly start seeing the gigantic future bills! If the state legislature keeps cutting taxes, the local taxes and fees will have to increase dramatically. Thank you, Mark Snyder -Original Message- From: Computer Guys Discussion List [mailto:computerguy...@listserv.aol.com] On Behalf Of Tom Piwowar Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2009 4:51 PM To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Subject: Re: [CGUYS] Resodding the mall, was Re: [CGUYS] Senate Approves Not if the laws of the jurisdiction mandate such up front. I also never said there should not be adequate planning - I assume it is the duty of the government to plan for such eventualities. Are you telling me you are not? I think the cons/neocons describe this as passing debts on to future generations. Past generations built the infrastructure. Then the cons/neocons got control and screamed no taxes -- I want to be free (probably because they were hippies in their youth). Then the bridges started to fall down, the water mains broke, and the power grid failed. Now guess who has to pay the debt: it is us. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Resodding the mall, was Re: [CGUYS] Senate Approves
Clearly in your first paragraph you identify part of the problem - not charging what it costs to provide the service now and going forward. You came on board and had the needed spine to push for what had to be done - I commend you. My question is why should municipal governments not bear all municipal responsibilities? One of our growing problems has been raising taxes at the higher levels and then passing them back down to lower levels. This is inefficient and it makes it harder for the lower level governments closer to the voters to raise needed funds, and fosters a taxes are someone else's problem attitude. Matthew On Feb 4, 2009, at 6:40 AM, Snyder, Mark (IT-EI) wrote: In my small government experience, it was council members' fear that raising water and sewer rates angers the voters, their neighbors. So previous councils pretended the problems in the water and sewer systems didn't need to be funded. They did cheap, little fixes that made the problems a bit less visible. By the time I got on council we almost lost our two water towers due to lack of maintenance. Our waste water plant was near end of life, but no one had thought of funding a replacement; they thought we could get another grant. People yelled at me many times when they saw I was behind increasing rates. I asked each of them if we should keep rates low and then shut it all down when it falls apart in two to three years. They weren't pleased, but they saw that we were serious and that we could not get any state or federal grants. This is the result when we keep cutting taxes at higher levels and shift all responsibilities to municipal governments. This is also the result when big governments increase the mandatory requirements we must meet, but provide no funding to meet them. It is not pretty or easy when small towns suddenly start seeing the gigantic future bills! If the state legislature keeps cutting taxes, the local taxes and fees will have to increase dramatically. Thank you, Mark Snyder -Original Message- From: Computer Guys Discussion List [mailto:computerguy...@listserv.aol.com] On Behalf Of Tom Piwowar Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2009 4:51 PM To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Subject: Re: [CGUYS] Resodding the mall, was Re: [CGUYS] Senate Approves Not if the laws of the jurisdiction mandate such up front. I also never said there should not be adequate planning - I assume it is the duty of the government to plan for such eventualities. Are you telling me you are not? I think the cons/neocons describe this as passing debts on to future generations. Past generations built the infrastructure. Then the cons/neocons got control and screamed no taxes -- I want to be free (probably because they were hippies in their youth). Then the bridges started to fall down, the water mains broke, and the power grid failed. Now guess who has to pay the debt: it is us. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http:// www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Resodding the mall, was Re: [CGUYS] Senate Approves
For many small communities if it were not for state or federal governments they would never be able to provide these services. When I lived in WI, the local community had a water system. Worked great until they found pout their source of water was being contaminated by an underground source. An old abandoned Service station had underground tanks that had leaked over decades and contaminated the area with ethyl-lead. Either shut down the water system and subject everyone to possibly getting contaminated water, or find a source of funding to get remediation. (More than local municipality can afford) They got federal grants to get it fixed. (Area that was contaminated still condemned and this is 10 years ago) Your process, means that those without will always be without because they will never have the resources that larger municipalities have. Small towns will have to close and everyone can move into the big city. Government keeps advocation for larger farms which are more efficient, but at what cost? These large farms produce milk at a cheaper price, but the cost, is more concentrated waste, higher turn over of cattle, and poor quality of product. Sometimes the Government has to help subsidize the little guy to help level the playing field or what we end up with is not what we thought we wanted. Stewart At 08:18 AM 2/4/2009, you wrote: Clearly in your first paragraph you identify part of the problem - not charging what it costs to provide the service now and going forward. You came on board and had the needed spine to push for what had to be done - I commend you. My question is why should municipal governments not bear all municipal responsibilities? One of our growing problems has been raising taxes at the higher levels and then passing them back down to lower levels. This is inefficient and it makes it harder for the lower level governments closer to the voters to raise needed funds, and fosters a taxes are someone else's problem attitude. Matthew Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] TERRIBLE SUBJECT! [Was: COMPUTERGUYS-L Digest - 3 Feb 2009...
I don't understand. Sorting by thread in Thunderbird keeps every subject separate. Am I missing something? Ralph wrote: I have two gmail accounts - my regular one that I download into Thunderbird, and this one that I read online. Since the online Gmail interface collates messages by Subject line, it removes the need to subscribe using the Digest option. Those voluminous threads you refer to, appear as one-line that can be easily skipped, if you wish. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
[CGUYS] Senior Computing [Was: political discussion]
Over 20 years ago, my 1st computer student was an 80 year-old writer. He had been a farmer and retired at 65 by moving to Washington and starting a 2nd career as a writer. He wrote for mags like Reader's Digest and Parade (the Sunday newspaper insert). So at 80 he was an early adopter, getting a Mac because he knew it would be a big thing in the publishing industry. His greatest problem was selecting with the mouse, his hand was not steady enough to use menus. Definitely a situation where keyboard input would be superior to mousing. I have started teaching computer use at our local senior center. I have a little 4-machine lab and a whole bunch of people who are curious, yet afraid of new technology. One by one they are starting to come in to try their hand at it. I have browsers set to open with Google and 2 people now have Gmail accounts. It's only been 2 weeks, and some of them are becoming fairly confident with the machines. Anyone who wants a bit of more advanced help can ask for it. It's very rewarding to watch them walk out with big smiles on their faces. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] HOME OWNERSHIP
there was almost nothing to regulate during bush1 and even clinton. the boom started after the gramm introduced methods of handling(slicing) the bundled mortgages. the real growth did not start until the second bush2 term. At 04:06 AM 2/4/2009, you wrote: On Sat, Jan 31, 2009 at 5:58 PM, rleesimon rleesi...@gmail.com wrote: it's an obamarama! More of a Bush Up. Failing to have the regulators regulate for eight years is part of the problem. It probably started in Clinton or the older Bush although I have heard people blaming Reagan for all this. -Original Message- From: gerald [mailto:ger...@slawecki.com] Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2009 4:41 PM Subject: Re: HOME OWNERSHIP tom, i'm not going to dig it up, but the wash post had a large story about the poor lady in woodbridge who has a house in foreclosure. and is now owned by fnm. she upped the mortgage and took the cash to get a better house.(the house was valued around 225-250k). i do not know what she purchased. around 30% of the houses in the original group became distressed(foreclosed). rents in the area dropped from $2000 a month to under $1000 a month(called a dutch auction), as everybody was playing the sell it and move game. she could not afford to pay for her new home, and the house she was specing with $800 rent, as payments piti were around 2000/mo. house was foreclosed by fnm and went into the pile. since we do supply and demand on stuff like this, house is sitting on market at 130k or something like that, while offers are at 80k. this is a bit of a special circumstance, as this is prince william county virginia, where the ruling fathers have decided to export all non-wasps, or at least check them daily to be certain they are qualified as psuedo wasps. they are a bit uncomfortable attacking afro americans, but all hispanics, indians, have been abused to the place that they have left. fortunately for them, most sold before the crash. At 04:10 PM 1/31/2009, you wrote: a very high percentage of the houses being foreclosed are not HOMES. i'm pretty certain that even FNM/FRE allowed up to 4 home loans. takes a very divided family to need 4 homes. this stuff belonged to either speculators, or to innocents that decided to take their money out of their original home and buy a bigger one, leaving behind a house/building. Interesting point. If that is the case why does an income-producing property go into foreclosure? Did all of the tennants in these areas get whiped out in a cataclysm that the government is keeping secret? Something else must have happened to cause this sequence of events. What? *** ** ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * -- John Duncan Yoyo ---o) * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Resodding the mall, was Re: [CGUYS] Senate Approves
It seems to me that there was an actionable tort against the owners of the land where the service station was, and the owners of the station at the time of abandonment. Were they made to pay costs for remediating the pollution they caused? What did the municipality consider more important to fund than the remediation? Was the cost such that they could not float capital bonds? Did the locals consider personal remediation? ISTR that there are on site filters that can handle ethyl-lead - I have a filtration system for my well water. My process means that you will not be taxed for the exclusive benefit of me. My process means that people will choose to live largely where their circumstances and preferences allow, recognizing that all preferences might not be achievable due to circumstances. Small towns have been closing for over a century under the present system. From my reading of history, this is large the result of the production efficiencies of mechanized agriculture, lowering food prices and freeing the labor that used to produce food to other uses. Was this a bad thing? Should more people be sent back to small farms and food prices raised to preserve some idyllic vision of rural life? My family and I are localvores - we get our milk from a local dairy (delivered in glass bottles no less), much of our produce in season from a farm co-op, beef and pork from the local 4-H kids when we can. It is much more expensive, but we are lucky enough to be able to afford it. Not every one can. We still also buy all of the same on occasion from supermarkets. Modern agriculture and trade brings my daughter oranges, my wife avocados, my son blueberries, and me some peace of mind. Should we give that up in the name of small farms? I agree that government farm subsidies favor large farms - I don't think we should subsidize farms at all - they don't need it. What you call subsidizing the little guy economists call penalizing success. How is it justified to rob Peter to pay Paul? Matthew On Feb 4, 2009, at 9:36 AM, Rev. Stewart Marshall wrote: For many small communities if it were not for state or federal governments they would never be able to provide these services. When I lived in WI, the local community had a water system. Worked great until they found pout their source of water was being contaminated by an underground source. An old abandoned Service station had underground tanks that had leaked over decades and contaminated the area with ethyl-lead. Either shut down the water system and subject everyone to possibly getting contaminated water, or find a source of funding to get remediation. (More than local municipality can afford) They got federal grants to get it fixed. (Area that was contaminated still condemned and this is 10 years ago) Your process, means that those without will always be without because they will never have the resources that larger municipalities have. Small towns will have to close and everyone can move into the big city. Government keeps advocation for larger farms which are more efficient, but at what cost? These large farms produce milk at a cheaper price, but the cost, is more concentrated waste, higher turn over of cattle, and poor quality of product. Sometimes the Government has to help subsidize the little guy to help level the playing field or what we end up with is not what we thought we wanted. Stewart At 08:18 AM 2/4/2009, you wrote: Clearly in your first paragraph you identify part of the problem - not charging what it costs to provide the service now and going forward. You came on board and had the needed spine to push for what had to be done - I commend you. My question is why should municipal governments not bear all municipal responsibilities? One of our growing problems has been raising taxes at the higher levels and then passing them back down to lower levels. This is inefficient and it makes it harder for the lower level governments closer to the voters to raise needed funds, and fosters a taxes are someone else's problem attitude. Matthew * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Resodding the mall, was Re: [CGUYS] Senate Approves
And yet they do this because it is clear that their own publics would not support paying market prices directly. And it also helps keep third world farmers at starvation level because they can not compete with European (and American) subsidized agriculture. Good job. Oh, and then we send tons of food aid, further crashing what market price for food there was, and empowering the thugs who gain control of the food aid. Great system you got there Tom. On Feb 4, 2009, at 10:05 AM, Tom Piwowar wrote: Sometimes the Government has to help subsidize the little guy to help level the playing field or what we end up with is not what we thought we wanted. This is also why the average European Safeway puts an American gourmet shop to shame. They support their small farmers and the farmers give the public an abundance of good food. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Groupwise on Itouch or Iphone
This might not help much but here goes. I don't think you can out of the box. Groupwise will speak IMAP and POP, which the iPhone/touch can handle, but it also uses a security certificate which I am not sure they can handle. For push email there is a company called Notify (first link) that makes an add on to Groupwise allowing full integration and push. For a general overview of Groupwise IMAP or POP see the second link. Hope this helps. Matthew http://helpdesk.boisestate.edu/email/groupwise/popimap.shtml http://www.macnn.com/articles/08/08/14/groupwise.iphone.sync/ On Feb 4, 2009, at 10:25 AM, Sandra Raredon wrote: Would appreciate if anyone on the list would know how to set up Groupwise account on Itouch (and or iphone). My sister is a nurse and has groupwise mail at the hospital. She would like to read her mail while in transit. I set up my own itouch with gmail, outlook, but when I tried to help her with Groupwise, I failed miserably! If anyone could write the steps and settings I should use. Thanks very much. Sandra -- ~~ ªª ªª ªª ª Sandra J. Raredon New home email: aster...@gmail.com * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http:// www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Resodding the mall, was Re: [CGUYS] Senate Approves
Not particularly true. Statistics have shown there is enough food produced in the world to feed everyone. The problem is with distribution. Also very HUGE problem corrupt governments that would rather their populace die than allow them the needed food. Case in point, Ethiopia in the 80's. Everyone remembers the outcry for all the starving people in Ethiopia and the Band Aid and the albums produced to get food aid over there. What is not talked about is how much food went over there and how little of it got to those needing it. A good portion was stolen and confiscated by the leaders of the country and then resold for their benefit. Our church body has an Aid program that sends goods and aid overseas for disasters. (One of the higher rated agencies) One of the things we insist on is having someone on the ground where the aid is going to oversee what is transpiring. Helps make sure things get where they are supposed to better. Stewart At 09:23 AM 2/4/2009, you wrote: And yet they do this because it is clear that their own publics would not support paying market prices directly. And it also helps keep third world farmers at starvation level because they can not compete with European (and American) subsidized agriculture. Good job. Oh, and then we send tons of food aid, further crashing what market price for food there was, and empowering the thugs who gain control of the food aid. Great system you got there Tom. Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Resodding the mall, was Re: [CGUYS] Senate Approves
Try and track it down. I am not sure if you know the history of many small gas stations, but very frequently they were part owned by a local person and part by a national corp. In this case paperwork disappeared and no one was left holding the bag. Probably a National Oil company long since gone. (This started in the 20's-30's) Ask the folks in Alaska how easy it is to recoup costs related to an Oil Spill, Stewart At 09:20 AM 2/4/2009, you wrote: It seems to me that there was an actionable tort against the owners of the land where the service station was, and the owners of the station at the time of abandonment. Were they made to pay costs for remediating the pollution they caused? What did the municipality consider more important to fund than the remediation? Was the cost such that they could not float capital bonds? Did the locals consider personal remediation? ISTR that there are on site filters that can handle ethyl-lead - I have a filtration system for my well water. My process means that you will not be taxed for the exclusive benefit of me. My process means that people will choose to live largely where their circumstances and preferences allow, recognizing that all preferences might not be achievable due to circumstances. Small towns have been closing for over a century under the present system. From my reading of history, this is large the result of the production efficiencies of mechanized agriculture, lowering food prices and freeing the labor that used to produce food to other uses. Was this a bad thing? Should more people be sent back to small farms and food prices raised to preserve some idyllic vision of rural life? My family and I are localvores - we get our milk from a local dairy (delivered in glass bottles no less), much of our produce in season from a farm co-op, beef and pork from the local 4-H kids when we can. It is much more expensive, but we are lucky enough to be able to afford it. Not every one can. We still also buy all of the same on occasion from supermarkets. Modern agriculture and trade brings my daughter oranges, my wife avocados, my son blueberries, and me some peace of mind. Should we give that up in the name of small farms? I agree that government farm subsidies favor large farms - I don't think we should subsidize farms at all - they don't need it. What you call subsidizing the little guy economists call penalizing success. How is it justified to rob Peter to pay Paul? Matthew On Feb 4, 2009, at 9:36 AM, Rev. Stewart Marshall wrote: For many small communities if it were not for state or federal governments they would never be able to provide these services. When I lived in WI, the local community had a water system. Worked great until they found pout their source of water was being contaminated by an underground source. An old abandoned Service station had underground tanks that had leaked over decades and contaminated the area with ethyl-lead. Either shut down the water system and subject everyone to possibly getting contaminated water, or find a source of funding to get remediation. (More than local municipality can afford) They got federal grants to get it fixed. (Area that was contaminated still condemned and this is 10 years ago) Your process, means that those without will always be without because they will never have the resources that larger municipalities have. Small towns will have to close and everyone can move into the big city. Government keeps advocation for larger farms which are more efficient, but at what cost? These large farms produce milk at a cheaper price, but the cost, is more concentrated waste, higher turn over of cattle, and poor quality of product. Sometimes the Government has to help subsidize the little guy to help level the playing field or what we end up with is not what we thought we wanted. Stewart At 08:18 AM 2/4/2009, you wrote: Clearly in your first paragraph you identify part of the problem - not charging what it costs to provide the service now and going forward. You came on board and had the needed spine to push for what had to be done - I commend you. My question is why should municipal governments not bear all municipal responsibilities? One of our growing problems has been raising taxes at the higher levels and then passing them back down to lower levels. This is inefficient and it makes it harder for the lower level governments closer to the voters to raise needed funds, and fosters a taxes are someone else's problem attitude. Matthew * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82
Re: [CGUYS] TERRIBLE SUBJECT! [Was: COMPUTERGUYS-L Digest - 3 Feb 2009...
I have two gmail accounts - my regular one that I download into Thunderbird, and this one that I read online. Since the online Gmail interface collates messages by Subject line, it removes the need to subscribe using the Digest option. Those voluminous threads you refer to, appear as one-line that can be easily skipped, if you wish. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
[CGUYS] preferred network settings, Windows XP
the patient:HP laptop running Windows XP Using wireless with connect to a wifi router with WPA-PSK with TKIP encryption. In the past worked flawlessly and connected automatically. Then, Earthlink tech tried to upgrade to their software remotely (and earthlink was not being used for the connection, only the email account) The upgrade failed in the middle and (surprise surprise) disconnnected the Earthlink tech's session. Since then, the Network connection has been trying to 'dial a connection' whenever an internet application was being used. Have since disconnected the 'dial up' and wired ethernet or 802.11 wireless have worked fine except... The primary use in the home won't hold the preferred network settings. It sees the 802.11 router, but each time, in order to connect the key has to be entered manually. Sometimes it will try to connect to other wifi units in the neighborhood, but won't remember the settings for the home network. Has anyone encountered something similar? Any suggestions? Thanks, Rocky * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Resodding the mall, was Re: [CGUYS] Senate Approves
On Feb 4, 2009, at 11:00 AM, Rev. Stewart Marshall wrote: Not particularly true. What is not true? Statistics have shown there is enough food produced in the world to feed everyone. Agreed The problem is with distribution. Also very HUGE problem corrupt governments that would rather their populace die than allow them the needed food. Agreed - with the caveat that part of the distribution problem is that in some areas the locals can not price compete with subsidized imported food, and so leave the farms and head for the cities. Case in point, Ethiopia in the 80's. Everyone remembers the outcry for all the starving people in Ethiopia and the Band Aid and the albums produced to get food aid over there. Remember Sam Kinison? Get in the trucks - you live in a freaking desert - we are taking you to where the food is I laughed so hard I cried. What is not talked about is how much food went over there and how little of it got to those needing it. A good portion was stolen and confiscated by the leaders of the country and then resold for their benefit. It was widely discussed, just not by the rock stars to did a gig and moved on. Our church body has an Aid program that sends goods and aid overseas for disasters. (One of the higher rated agencies) One of the things we insist on is having someone on the ground where the aid is going to oversee what is transpiring. Helps make sure things get where they are supposed to better. Good for them. I used to give to some church groups. I stopped when it became clear that the child / family I was supposedly helping never saw a dime of the aid I gave. I trust yours is better run. Stewart At 09:23 AM 2/4/2009, you wrote: And yet they do this because it is clear that their own publics would not support paying market prices directly. And it also helps keep third world farmers at starvation level because they can not compete with European (and American) subsidized agriculture. Good job. Oh, and then we send tons of food aid, further crashing what market price for food there was, and empowering the thugs who gain control of the food aid. Great system you got there Tom. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Resodding the mall, was Re: [CGUYS] Senate Approves
At 10:18 AM 2/4/2009, you wrote: Agreed - with the caveat that part of the distribution problem is that in some areas the locals can not price compete with subsidized imported food, and so leave the farms and head for the cities. Yes and no. Very often the government discourages the indigenousness folks from producing by cutting off needed resources. Remember Sam Kinison? Get in the trucks - you live in a freaking desert - we are taking you to where the food is I laughed so hard I cried. The sorriest part of this was the people had no trucks or the governments confiscated their transportation or limited it by Military and other means. (Sam is not one of my favorites he shouted way too much.) Good for them. I used to give to some church groups. I stopped when it became clear that the child / family I was supposedly helping never saw a dime of the aid I gave. I trust yours is better run. Check it out called Lutheran World Relief. It gets one of the higher marks for actually getting stuff done. No flashy ads, no flashy personas, just the work. Stewart Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Resodding the mall, was Re: [CGUYS] Senate Approves
Remember Sam Kinison? Get in the trucks - you live in a freaking desert - we are taking you to where the food is I laughed so hard I cried. I remember this--it was very funny advice, but not real practical. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Resodding the mall, was Re: [CGUYS] Senate Approves
NOT True. And, we should do EXACTLY the same. Several cities along the Mississippi have finally relocated to higher ground. Scottsville in Virginia did so about ten years ago (after building a levee taller than the fences in Israel, to no avail). We all need to recognize the nature of flooding, desertification, and the like- whether you ascribe to climate change (the ostriches abound) or not. Eschew Obfuscation This is a reply from: Roy A. Ackerman, Ph.D., E.A. Financial, Managerial, and Technical Services for the Professional, Non-Profit, and the Entrepreneurial Organization 703.548.1343 voice 703.783.1340 fax From thinking to doing, from sales to profits, from tax to investments- we are YOUR adjuvancy -Original Message- From: Computer Guys Discussion List [mailto:computerguy...@listserv.aol.com] On Behalf Of Chris Dunford Sent: 02/04/2009 12:07 PM To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Subject: Re: [CGUYS] Resodding the mall, was Re: [CGUYS] Senate Approves Remember Sam Kinison? Get in the trucks - you live in a freaking desert - we are taking you to where the food is I laughed so hard I cried. I remember this--it was very funny advice, but not real practical. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
[CGUYS] AVG updates.
At the risk of turning this list into a computer discussion list, I have a question about AVG updates. Mine doesn't. I've got three computers (one dual booting XP/Win7) with AVG and all set to auto-update, and they've all been failing (Connection failed). It shouldn't be my Internet connection, because they're at two different locations (the dual boot at both). I just tried to manually update and it was crawling along at 25-30 *bytes* per second before it failed. Minutes later iTunes was updating at about 1MB/sec. Is it just me? -- R:\katan * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Resodding the mall, was Re: [CGUYS] Senate Approves
At 11:09 AM 2/4/2009, you wrote: Agreed - that one routine was funny though. I did not find many of his routines funny. I am sorry to see you are in Gaza enabling Hamas. Money is fungible and I can not support Hamas. Matthew If people are in need people are in need. It does not matter the stripes of their politics. People are in need in Gaze. I do not agree with Hamas either but there are tons of folks there that are in need. Stewart Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Resodding the mall, was Re: [CGUYS] Senate Approves
Not at all practical, but the routine was funny. I found this link to three versions of the bit for those who don't know what we are talking about. Warning - he is quite profane. http://bobsfunnies.blogspot.com/2008/03/sam-kinison-ethiopia-sketch.html Matthew On Feb 4, 2009, at 12:06 PM, Chris Dunford wrote: Remember Sam Kinison? Get in the trucks - you live in a freaking desert - we are taking you to where the food is I laughed so hard I cried. I remember this--it was very funny advice, but not real practical. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Resodding the mall, was Re: [CGUYS] Senate Approves
But by providing a support structure for Hamas, you help perpetuate the suffering. I know it is harsh, but sometimes you have to let people suffer until they change the behavior that creates the suffering. I would be all in favor aid programs to take people out of Gaza, or to take Hamas out of the picture, but simply supplementing the Hamas medical arm enables them to devote more effort to their execrable behavior. Matthew On Feb 4, 2009, at 12:22 PM, Rev. Stewart Marshall wrote: I am sorry to see you are in Gaza enabling Hamas. Money is fungible and I can not support Hamas. Matthew If people are in need people are in need. It does not matter the stripes of their politics. People are in need in Gaze. I do not agree with Hamas either but there are tons of folks there that are in need. Stewart * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Resodding the mall, was Re: [CGUYS] Senate Approves
You are correct there. The flood plains of the Mississippi river basin were as fertile as they were in part because they were flood plains. Our insistence that we build along the shore and ward off floods, rather than learn to live with them, has done great damage to the ecosystem. Matthew On Feb 4, 2009, at 12:21 PM, Roy A. Ackerman, Ph.D., E.A. wrote: NOT True. And, we should do EXACTLY the same. Several cities along the Mississippi have finally relocated to higher ground. Scottsville in Virginia did so about ten years ago (after building a levee taller than the fences in Israel, to no avail). We all need to recognize the nature of flooding, desertification, and the like- whether you ascribe to climate change (the ostriches abound) or not. Eschew Obfuscation This is a reply from: Roy A. Ackerman, Ph.D., E.A. Financial, Managerial, and Technical Services for the Professional, Non-Profit, and the Entrepreneurial Organization 703.548.1343 voice 703.783.1340 fax From thinking to doing, from sales to profits, from tax to investments- we are YOUR adjuvancy -Original Message- From: Computer Guys Discussion List [mailto:COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM ] On Behalf Of Chris Dunford Sent: 02/04/2009 12:07 PM To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Subject: Re: [CGUYS] Resodding the mall, was Re: [CGUYS] Senate Approves Remember Sam Kinison? Get in the trucks - you live in a freaking desert - we are taking you to where the food is I laughed so hard I cried. I remember this--it was very funny advice, but not real practical. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http:// www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http:// www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] TERRIBLE SUBJECT! [Was: COMPUTERGUYS-L Digest - 3 Feb 2009...
Setup a unique gmail username specifically for subscribing to the computerguys. DON'T download it to Thunderbird - read it by logging in online, where gmail will group the messages by topic, with the primary sort by most recent time-stamp. When you encounter a thread that doesn't interest you, move on the the next topic. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] AVG updates.
One of my computers (running XP) tries to update, but I get a message control (something) incorrect. A half dozen other machines running Win98SE and XP have no problem. I am just going to re-install AVG on that machine and see if that helps. Mike katan wrote: At the risk of turning this list into a computer discussion list, I have a question about AVG updates. Mine doesn't. I've got three computers (one dual booting XP/Win7) with AVG and all set to auto-update, and they've all been failing (Connection failed). It shouldn't be my Internet connection, because they're at two different locations (the dual boot at both). I just tried to manually update and it was crawling along at 25-30 *bytes* per second before it failed. Minutes later iTunes was updating at about 1MB/sec. Is it just me? -- R:\katan * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] AVG updates.
I'm having no problems with mine, both v. 8. You might want to check your DNS settings; I had a DNS hijacked not too long ago which kept me from being able to update the AVG. Ellen Harris - Original Message - From: katan ka...@his.com To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2009 12:11 PM Subject: [CGUYS] AVG updates. At the risk of turning this list into a computer discussion list, I have a question about AVG updates. Mine doesn't. I've got three computers (one dual booting XP/Win7) with AVG and all set to auto-update, and they've all been failing (Connection failed). It shouldn't be my Internet connection, because they're at two different locations (the dual boot at both). I just tried to manually update and it was crawling along at 25-30 *bytes* per second before it failed. Minutes later iTunes was updating at about 1MB/sec. Is it just me? -- R:\katan * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Resodding the mall, was Re: [CGUYS] Senate Approves
On top of which some expect the government to pay for the loss of property so foolishly placed. Matthew Taylor wrote: You are correct there. The flood plains of the Mississippi river basin were as fertile as they were in part because they were flood plains. Our insistence that we build along the shore and ward off floods, rather than learn to live with them, has done great damage to the ecosystem. Matthew On Feb 4, 2009, at 12:21 PM, Roy A. Ackerman, Ph.D., E.A. wrote: NOT True. And, we should do EXACTLY the same. Several cities along the Mississippi have finally relocated to higher ground. Scottsville in Virginia did so about ten years ago (after building a levee taller than the fences in Israel, to no avail). We all need to recognize the nature of flooding, desertification, and the like- whether you ascribe to climate change (the ostriches abound) or not. Eschew Obfuscation This is a reply from: Roy A. Ackerman, Ph.D., E.A. Financial, Managerial, and Technical Services for the Professional, Non-Profit, and the Entrepreneurial Organization 703.548.1343 voice 703.783.1340 fax From thinking to doing, from sales to profits, from tax to investments- we are YOUR adjuvancy -Original Message- From: Computer Guys Discussion List [mailto:computerguy...@listserv.aol.com] On Behalf Of Chris Dunford Sent: 02/04/2009 12:07 PM To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Subject: Re: [CGUYS] Resodding the mall, was Re: [CGUYS] Senate Approves Remember Sam Kinison? Get in the trucks - you live in a freaking desert - we are taking you to where the food is I laughed so hard I cried. I remember this--it was very funny advice, but not real practical. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Senior Computing [Was: political discussion]
At 10:02 AM 02/04/2009 -0500, Tom Piwowar wrote His greatest problem was selecting with the mouse, his hand was not steady enough to use menus. Definitely a situation where keyboard input would be superior to mousing. That's the biggest problem I've observed also. I have one Trakball, and nearly everyone is successful with that. I have a keyboard shortcut chart on the wall, but some can't seem to get the hang of that either. I helped with classes at another center previously, and the strategy there was to do mouse practice with Solitaire. Big mistake..they were trying to teach them as a group, but once they showed them how to access solitaire, that's all the students did during class! As you mention, sometimes seniors just aren't physically able to control a mouse. One-on-one works much better, along with teaching them what they want to know. Sue * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Resodding the mall, was Re: [CGUYS] Senate Approves
You have that backwards. Foolish government offers subsidized flood insurance program and property owner buys it (sometimes required to by the lender). I hope people who buy insurance are not foolish to expect to be paid for an insured loss. Thank you, Mark Snyder -Original Message- On top of which some expect the government to pay for the loss of property so foolishly placed. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] AVG updates.
I have AVG (free) running on two win xp computers. What seems to happen regularly on my systems is that AVG attempts to update and fails. Then when I click manual update it updates fine. I've just chalked it up to a quirk in the program, it is free after all. Charlie katan wrote: pre wrapAt the risk of turning this list into a computer discussion list, I have a question about AVG updates. Mine doesn't. I've got three computers (one dual booting XP/Win7) with AVG and all set to auto-update, and they've all been failing (Connection failed). It shouldn't be my Internet connection, because they're at two different locations (the dual boot at both). I just tried to manually update and it was crawling along at 25-30 *bytes* per second before it failed. Minutes later iTunes was updating at about 1MB/sec. Is it just me? -- R:\katan * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * /pre/body /html /html * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Senior Computing [Was: political discussion]
That's the biggest problem I've observed also. I have one Trakball, and nearly everyone is successful with that. Great idea. There are some trackballs that have a very big ball, like grapefruit size. I think that would probably be the best for seniors. Need to adjust the ball to make it less sensitive, so it takes a lot of motion to move the cursor. That would make tremors less of a problem. I helped with classes at another center previously, and the strategy there was to do mouse practice with Solitaire. Big mistake..they were trying to teach them as a group, but once they showed them how to access solitaire, that's all the students did during class! I recently taught some classes for the LC for their non-tech staff. I started out with web sites. Sites like Shopzilla, Google Maps, Flickr. This got everybody excited and looking at different things that interested them. This gave them lots of active practice. And reasons for learning more. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Groupwise on Itouch or Iphone
Would appreciate if anyone on the list would know how to set up Groupwise account on Itouch (and or iphone). My sister is a nurse and has groupwise mail at the hospital. She would like to read her mail while in transit. I set up my own itouch with gmail, outlook, but when I tried to help her with Groupwise, I failed miserably! If anyone could write the steps and settings I should use. Thanks very much. Sandra Groupwise can be configured to do POP, but that has to be enabled by the server managers. Step 1 would be to ask them what protocols they have active. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] AVG updates.
I have a question about AVG updates. Mine doesn't. Now the MS has vanquished the last computer virus there is no need for updates. Mine doesn't. I've got three computers (one dual booting XP/Win7) with AVG and all set to auto-update, and they've all been failing (Connection failed). It shouldn't be my Internet connection, because they're at two different locations (the dual boot at both). You may have DNS problems. Have you tried switching to OpenDNS or is you already are switch to yur IPS's DNS. Have you been hacking your hosts file? That could break things. Could be that your software is pointed at a server that is having trouble. That would be internally stored information. Have you tried downloading a fresh copy and reinstalling? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] political discussion
Sue Cubic scu...@earthlink.net escribió: These got very little use and are now gone. I bet our politics thread will be gone soon too. I hope so. I'm about ready to unsub. The subject of politics is not why I joined this list. I'd rather discuss needlework on here--would anyone mind? It's so easy to use the Delete key, easier than unsubscribing. I use a Mac, sometimes Windows. 90% of the issues are for PCs, but some are interesting anyway. The political discussion, well, some of it, is interesting too, even computer related--broadband, infrastructure, DMCA, copyright, etc. Eventually it will return to whatever your favorite topic is. Do you have a computer-related question? Do you prefer silk, wool or cotton for needlework? Until then, go back and read the Constitution, Bill of Rights, Declaration of Independence and find connections. Betty ...riverrun, past Eve and Adam's, from swerve of shore to bend of bay, brings us by a commodius vicus of recirculation back to Howth Castle and Environs...Sir Tristram, violer d'amores, fr'over the short sea, had passencore rearrived from North Armorica on this side the scraggy isthmus of Europe Minor to wielderfight his penisolate war: nor had topsawyer's rocks by the stream Oconee exaggerated themselse to Laurens County's gorgios while they went doublin their mumper all the time: nor avoice from afire bellowsed mishe mishe to tauftauf thuartpeatrick: not yet, though venissoon after, had a kidscad buttended a bland old isaac: not yet, though all's fair in vanessy, were sosie sesthers wroth with twone nathandjoe... * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Resodding the mall, was Re: [CGUYS] Senate Approves
And yet they do this because it is clear that their own publics would not support paying market prices directly. And it also helps keep third world farmers at starvation level because they can not compete with European (and American) subsidized agriculture. Good job. Oh, and then we send tons of food aid, further crashing what market price for food there was, and empowering the thugs who gain control of the food aid. Great system you got there Tom. Medium-sized family-owned farms are the most efficient in the long-run. They get fewer subsidies [by %] than the large factory farms. Mid-sized farms not only have high yields, they also protect the land, with farmers living on the farms, unlike corporate farms. Corporate lobbies are putting smaller farms out of business. The US corporate farms throughout Latin America have lower costs but are significantly more destructive to the land and the people [ex.: pineapples in Costa Rica, fish farms in Chilean desert, cattle in Brazilian rainforest]. It's in the best interests of everyone except corporate agribusiness to protect mid-sized family farms because they are our future. The question is whether to go for the big profits now, or food in the future. It's no different when considering infrastructure--profits now or a sustainable future? Micro-loans in third world countries' entrepreneurs or dump excess US grain there? Social Security--spend the reserves now and forget the future? Broadband--don't invest now, keep rates high, penetration low [to save money] and fall further behind the rest of the world? The national/world economy is more complicated than today's profits when the future is at stake. Betty * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Resodding the mall, was Re: [CGUYS] Senate Approves
But by providing a support structure for Hamas, you help perpetuate the suffering. I know it is harsh, but sometimes you have to let people suffer until they change the behavior that creates the suffering. I would be all in favor aid programs to take people out of Gaza, or to take Hamas out of the picture, but simply supplementing the Hamas medical arm enables them to devote more effort to their execrable behavior. The US government encouraged Palestinians to have elections. They did, with international observers. The Gazans elected Hamas because it was the only group that was providing services at the time. Any group that needs help can benefit from local groups, or international relief groups. Aid is important. Allowing those services into impoverished areas is important too. Please consider both sides before condemning one group. Neither group is 100% to blame, as shown in recent news reports from inside Gaza which local people recorded and sent with their cell phone cameras. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Needlepoint
Count me in, Sue! I'm just getting over a really bad cold. I took to my bed for about a week, and I've almost completed a needlepoint pillow (really complicated design) while resting in bed. It kept me from going completely crazy during the week. If you know of any sites with good stitch guides, or good patterns, that would be great! I'd especially be interested in any iron on patterns, if they exist, as the canvases I've been buying are embarrassingly expensive. I find pictures that I like and use tracing paper [or draw freehand] to transfer to canvas. Easy for small pictures. harder for rugs. I make bargello pillows or jackets with my leftover wool. Bargello requires no printed pattern. Wait! Here's a computer question: Can you scan a picture you like and print it on canvas using an injet printer set to low res so it doesn't bleed through? If you can put CDs/DVDs in special inkjet printers, why not needlepoint canvas? [except for size] Betty * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Senior Computing [Was: political discussion]
At 02:23 PM 02/04/2009 -0500, Tom Piwowar wrote Great idea. There are some trackballs that have a very big ball, like grapefruit size. I think that would probably be the best for seniors. Need to adjust the ball to make it less sensitive, so it takes a lot of motion to move the cursor. That would make tremors less of a problem. I have the Logitech TrackMan (I think it is) with the scroll wheel. The scroll wheel is also very helpful for them. I recently taught some classes for the LC for their non-tech staff. I started out with web sites. Sites like Shopzilla, Google Maps, Flickr. This got everybody excited and looking at different things that interested them. This gave them lots of active practice. And reasons for learning more. I'm so looking forward to getting some new machines for the center (which we've been promised). Someone set it up several yrs ago with equipment that was already used...running Win 2000 with 256 RAM. Then they walked off and left it. Nothing updated, nothing configured for easy. No support. No one has used this lab for a couple of years. We've been promised some XP machines soon. We do have broadband, but things like Google Earth and even interactive weather maps are going to have to wait. Right now, most of them don't know any better, so we're managing. I get so disgusted with projects like this--my tax dollars at work! * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Resodding the mall, was Re: [CGUYS] Senate Approves
Hamas won the majority of seats in Parliament, but NOT the leadership. They OUTSTED the Fatah's Officers and Management in Gaza (via murder). They did NOT win the Presidency or the Ministry. Eschew Obfuscation This is a reply from: Roy A. Ackerman, Ph.D., E.A. Financial, Managerial, and Technical Services for the Professional, Non-Profit, and the Entrepreneurial Organization 703.548.1343 voice 703.783.1340 fax From thinking to doing, from sales to profits, from tax to investments- we are YOUR adjuvancy -Original Message- From: Computer Guys Discussion List [mailto:computerguy...@listserv.aol.com] On Behalf Of b_s-wilk Sent: 02/04/2009 3:20 PM To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Subject: Re: [CGUYS] Resodding the mall, was Re: [CGUYS] Senate Approves But by providing a support structure for Hamas, you help perpetuate the suffering. I know it is harsh, but sometimes you have to let people suffer until they change the behavior that creates the suffering. I would be all in favor aid programs to take people out of Gaza, or to take Hamas out of the picture, but simply supplementing the Hamas medical arm enables them to devote more effort to their execrable behavior. The US government encouraged Palestinians to have elections. They did, with international observers. The Gazans elected Hamas because it was the only group that was providing services at the time. Any group that needs help can benefit from local groups, or international relief groups. Aid is important. Allowing those services into impoverished areas is important too. Please consider both sides before condemning one group. Neither group is 100% to blame, as shown in recent news reports from inside Gaza which local people recorded and sent with their cell phone cameras. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] AVG updates.
On Wed, 4 Feb 2009 12:42:12 -0500, Ellen Rains Harris wrote: I'm having no problems with mine, both v. 8. You might want to check your DNS settings; I had a DNS hijacked not too long ago which kept me from being able to update the AVG. I switched to OpenDNS on the dual boot. I'll see what happens. Actually, I subsequently did a manual update that sailed through (prior to the DNS switch). It's inconsistent. I think I need to reinstall AVG on the XP half of my dual boot anyway. Auto updates don't want to stick. No matter how many times I turn it on, it keeps turning off. I even used TrendMicro's online virus scanner to see if there was a virus turning it off. -- R:\katan Tea. . .Earl Grey. . .Hot * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] AVG updates.
On Wed, 4 Feb 2009 14:29:40 -0500, Tom Piwowar wrote: Mine doesn't. I've got three computers (one dual booting XP/Win7) with AVG and all set to auto-update, and they've all been failing (Connection failed). It shouldn't be my Internet connection, because they're at two different locations (the dual boot at both). You may have DNS problems. Have you tried switching to OpenDNS or is you already are switch to yur IPS's DNS. Just changed over. I'll see what happens. Not sure what DNS server I was using. Probably Comcast. Have you been hacking your hosts file? That could break things. Nope. Could be that your software is pointed at a server that is having trouble. That would be internally stored information. Have you tried downloading a fresh copy and reinstalling? Might wind up doing that. . .at least once. Auto-updates won't stick on the XP half of my dual boot. -- R:\katan Tea. . .Earl Grey. . .Hot * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] political discussion
At 02:19 PM 02/04/2009 -0500, b_s-wilk wrote It's so easy to use the Delete key, easier than unsubscribing. Actually what I minded the most was the word Approve in the subject line. I manage several Yahoo email lists, and filter the requests to join from posts I need to moderate. Filtering on the word Approve is the only word I can find to sort on, since all the admin posts come from the same address. I also have notifier sounds to attract my attention when posts are filtered into those mailboxes. My Approvals mailbox kept getting filled with the recent political posts from this list. I finally put another rule in place in that filter to exclude any posts from Computer Guys. I just resented my nice filtering system getting co-opted by the political discussion. :) Sue * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Senior Computing [Was: political discussion]
I get so disgusted with projects like this--my tax dollars at work! Wrong thread, you want Resodding... * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Needlepoint
At 03:25 PM 02/04/2009 -0500, b_s-wilk wrote Wait! Here's a computer question: Can you scan a picture you like and print it on canvas using an injet printer set to low res so it doesn't bleed through? If you can put CDs/DVDs in special inkjet printers, why not needlepoint canvas? [except for size] Betty I'm not sure about running canvas through a printer. :) I don't do needlepoint--I do counted cross stitch, and work from a chart. I do have cross stitch software that will allow you to scan a picture and turn it into an editable chart, with thread colors coded and named in 2 brands of floss. It's not particularly easy to obtain really good results, but it's fun to play with. Couldn't you do needlepoint from a chart? Sue * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Needlepoint
I find pictures that I like and use tracing paper [or draw freehand] to transfer to canvas. Easy for small pictures. harder for rugs. I make bargello pillows or jackets with my leftover wool. Bargello requires no printed pattern. Why not a Computerized Sewing and Embroidery Machine? http://www.brother-usa.com/Homesewing/ModelDetail.aspx?ProductID=SE270D This will keep you on topic! And don't forget to get anti-virus software for it. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] most likely an easy itunes question...
Well I was keeping my music sorted myself long before itunes so i'll stick with this. Just odd what itunes decides to do with compilations. On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 10:18 AM, katan ka...@his.com wrote: On Tue, 3 Feb 2009 15:15:02 -0700, mike wrote: I've never let itunes manage the music...can't help but think that would be a mess. It's actually not so bad. The structure goes something like \%iTunes Music%\Artist\Album\Song. There is a Compilations folder for all those soundtrack and tribute albums (anything with the Compilations box checked) that would go: %\iTunes Folder%\Compilations\Album\Song. -- R:\katan Tea. . .Earl Grey. . .Hot * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * -- Make sure you support your local CarbonONset programs! * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Senior Computing [Was: political discussion]
so now he's 100 and must have gotten the hang of it !! -Original Message- From: Tom Piwowar [mailto:t...@tjpa.com] Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2009 10:02 AM Subject: Senior Computing [Was: political discussion] Over 20 years ago, my 1st computer student was an 80 year-old writer. He had been a farmer and retired at 65 by moving to Washington and starting a 2nd career as a writer. He wrote for mags like Reader's Digest and Parade (the Sunday newspaper insert). So at 80 he was an early adopter, getting a Mac because he knew it would be a big thing in the publishing industry. His greatest problem was selecting with the mouse, his hand was not steady enough to use menus. Definitely a situation where keyboard input would be superior to mousing. I have started teaching computer use at our local senior center. I have a little 4-machine lab and a whole bunch of people who are curious, yet afraid of new technology. One by one they are starting to come in to try their hand at it. I have browsers set to open with Google and 2 people now have Gmail accounts. It's only been 2 weeks, and some of them are becoming fairly confident with the machines. Anyone who wants a bit of more advanced help can ask for it. It's very rewarding to watch them walk out with big smiles on their faces. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
[CGUYS] House Votes to Delay Switch to Digital TV
February 4, 2009, 5:01 pm House Votes to Delay Switch to Digital TV NY Times By Brian Stelter Television owners appear to have four more months to upgrade their old sets before they are rendered obsolete. The House of Representatives voted Wednesday to extend the transition to digital television by four months, ending a monthlong debate about whether to allow consumers more time to make the switch. Broadcasters were scheduled to cease analog broadcasts on Feb. 17, as part of a long-awaited move to digital broadcasting that will free up the analog spectrum. The new deadline is expected to be June 12. The Senate passed similar legislation last week, and President Obama has signaled that he will sign the bill. In a statement Wednesday, White House spokeswoman Amy Brundage said that “the passage of this bipartisan legislation means that millions of Americans will have the time they need to prepare for the conversion.” Most television owners, including those with cable or satellite connections, will not be affected by the signal change. But viewers with old antennas will lose service unless converter boxes are installed to translate the digital signals. Last month Nielsen estimated that 6.5 million households are completely unprepared for the switch, meaning that no televisions in those homes are equipped to receive digital signals. Mr. Obama had raised concerns about the impending switch during the presidential transition process last month. His transition team called financing for the switch inadequate and called on Congress to consider a delay. On Wednesday, Ms. Brundage said the White House would “continue to work with Congress to improve the information and assistance available to American consumers in advance of June 12, especially those in the most vulnerable communities.” The stimulus package before Congress includes $650 million in financing for the transition. “Wednesday’s vote came one week after House Republicans blocked the bill when it was in a special fast-track vote that required two-thirds support to pass,” The Associated Press reports. “This time, the bill passed the House under a regular floor vote, which only requires a simple majority.” The House voted 264 to 158. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] political discussion
Filtering on the word Approve Ours is Approves so you can just put a space after your Approve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Senior Computing [Was: political discussion]
I work with people with disabilities like CP, thus they often have trouble using a mouse. Some can use keyboard shortcuts and mousekeys, but almost all have had success with a Kensington ExpertMouse trackball. It has a nice size ball (about the size of a cue ball) and 4 programmable buttons. I like the buttons because you can program them not only for things like click and right click, but also for a number of other things like double click or drag or scrolling. It retails for $99, but you can usually find it for less. Steve His greatest problem was selecting with the mouse, his hand was not steady enough to use menus. Definitely a situation where keyboard input would be superior to mousing. That's the biggest problem I've observed also. I have one Trakball, and nearly everyone is successful with that. I have a keyboard shortcut chart on the wall, but some can't seem to get the hang of that either. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Needlepoint
At 04:17 PM 02/04/2009 -0500, Tom Piwowar wrote Why not a Computerized Sewing and Embroidery Machine? I can tell you're not a true craftsperson. :) Sue * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] AVG updates.
On Wed, 4 Feb 2009 16:12:02 -0500, Tom Piwowar wrote: I think I need to reinstall AVG on the XP half of my dual boot anyway. I always tell folks to avoid dual boot configs. Drives are cheap and two drives is the easiest way to make sure things don't get out of control. That may be so, but my laptop doesn't have another drive bay. (-: -- R:\katan Tea. . .Earl Grey. . .Hot * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Resodding the mall, was Re: [CGUYS] Senate Approves
b_s-wilk wrote: Medium-sized family-owned farms are the most efficient in the long-run. They get fewer subsidies [by %] than the large factory farms. Mid-sized farms not only have high yields, they also protect the land, with farmers living on the farms, unlike corporate farms. Corporate lobbies are putting smaller farms out of business. The US corporate farms throughout Latin America have lower costs but are significantly more destructive to the land and the people [ex.: pineapples in Costa Rica, fish farms in Chilean desert, cattle in Brazilian rainforest]. It's in the best interests of everyone except corporate agribusiness to protect mid-sized family farms because they are our future. Correct! Giant agri-business, with the support of our government, has been mining our soil for many years now. Healthy soil is a living thing. Much of our top soil and organic matter is gone. The rich farmland of our midwest is a dieing shadow of its former self due to chemical use and corporate farming methods. Thanks to lobbyists from Monsanto and other chemical companies, the farm subsidies have been designed to put small farms out of business and promote GM seed and chemicals. NAIS ( National Animal Identification System) was designed to put the small farms raising animals out of business and encourage producing your meat and eggs in cruel and inhumane conditions. Due to corporate lobbying many of the regulations regarding our food are written without regard to health or sustainability of the land, animals or consumers, and with the intension of making life difficult for small local producers. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Needlepoint
There are not programs to print on the canvas that I know of but I think there are programs to print patterns for fabric. I do plastic Canvas. Stewart At 04:45 PM 2/4/2009, you wrote: At 04:17 PM 02/04/2009 -0500, Tom Piwowar wrote Why not a Computerized Sewing and Embroidery Machine? I can tell you're not a true craftsperson. :) Sue * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Needlepoint
At 06:18 PM 02/04/2009 -0500, Tom Piwowar wrote I'm insulted. Programming is a craft. That's why I find MS so revolting! I apologize. Most of my family are programmers, or have been at some point. I think of crafts as creating something tangible, but I see your point. I thought flow charts were lovely puzzles (back in the early 60's), but I soon lost track of progress. That was when a computer took up a small building or several rooms in a facility. I'm more a visual person, so it made a bit more sense to me back then. When things become invisible, I just file them away in my magick book. I don't really consider needlework something to be automated. It's what you do when you want to get away from automation! Sue * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Senior Computing [Was: political discussion]
MS made one years ago called an Easy Ball. It was about 4 across. One of my old members is also a CP victim and can only use it as her movements are limited. Only problem, only one button. She has to have her sister there on a backup mouse with buttons when we do some work. Usually I just get on her system with Logmein and fix stuff for her. Stewart At 06:42 PM 2/4/2009, you wrote: At 05:48 PM 02/04/2009 -0500, Stephen Brownfield wrote I work with people with disabilities like CP, thus they often have trouble using a mouse. Some can use keyboard shortcuts and mousekeys, but almost all have had success with a Kensington ExpertMouse trackball. It has a nice size ball (about the size of a cue ball) and 4 programmable buttons. I like the buttons because you can program them not only for things like click and right click, but also for a number of other things like double click or drag or scrolling. It retails for $99, but you can usually find it for less. Steve I'll make a note of that trackball. If only we had $99! This center is basically self-supporting now. It was started with grant money, that no one bothered to reapply for. They all seem content mostly with just the socialization and lunches that they pay for, in space donated by the school. Most of them are depression-era folks, so they don't expect a lot. Maybe some of them will get interested enough to buy some new equpiment. Sue * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
[CGUYS] Sony Memory Stick Pro Duo Mk 2 data transfer speed ?
I have been trouble finding data on Sony's memory stick speeds ... particularly the above. It is supposed to be fast but I'd like to know how fast so I could consider buying a Lexar or Sandisk Memory Stick of the same R/W capability instead. Anyone know? db * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Taxes and good life
ps: Basically, I think American's are spoiled rotten in general and are beginning to get their comeuppance and a lesson about priorities and the power and advantages of working together in an organized if imperfect fashion (ie: government) db John Emmerling wrote: Some general observations (I make some assertions without proof, feel free to provide contradictory data): 1.) Compared to other western countries, Americans are significantly more religious. Religious folk seem to see life's problems as being between themselves and God, and don't have much use for the government. BTW I don't mean this as a criticism. 2.) The US has always embraced small town and rural culture and disdained urban life. Rural and small-town people typically depend on themselves, their family, and their neighbors for survival, and don't have much use for the government. In other western countries, the urban elite seem to have more influence, and they look down on country folk as backward. And urban existence, with its dependence on a complex infrastructure, depends heavily on having an effective government (go visit Mogadishu if you don't believe me). 3.) Americans have come to expect government initiatives to fail. They consider a career working for the government (except in the areas of law enforcement and national security) as a refuge for the incompetent. Largely a self-fulfilling prophecy. As a consequence, Americans don't see themselves as getting much return for their tax dollars, and so they basically feel they are being robbed. I am not prepared to say whether they are right or wrong. Having grown up and lived all my life in the US, it always amazes me that people in countries like France are not afraid to trust their health care entirely to government employees. On the other hand, I can't ignore the ample evidence that supports this conclusion. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Taxes and good life
Yes, spoiled by liberty into thinking that liberty was a natural state of man. Something about self evident truths which I guess you think no longer apply. Matthew On Feb 4, 2009, at 9:08 PM, db wrote: Basically, I think American's are spoiled rotten in general and are beginning to get their comeuppance and a lesson about priorities and the power and advantages of working together in an organized if imperfect fashion (ie: government) * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Taxes and good life
That statement by Jefferson in the Continuation is a real reflection of the Enlightenment teaching of the 17 and 18th century. Before this time the concept of liberty was very limited and only tot hose who had. Even in the US the early Fathers believed that only those who owned property should vote. Not a very broad concept of liberty. See this web site for more info. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age_of_Enlightenment Stewart At 08:34 PM 2/4/2009, you wrote: Yes, spoiled by liberty into thinking that liberty was a natural state of man. Something about self evident truths which I guess you think no longer apply. Matthew On Feb 4, 2009, at 9:08 PM, db wrote: Basically, I think American's are spoiled rotten in general and are beginning to get their comeuppance and a lesson about priorities and the power and advantages of working together in an organized if imperfect fashion (ie: government) * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Resodding the mall, was Re: [CGUYS] Senate Approves
On Feb 4, 2009, at 9:52 PM, Ralph wrote: But by providing a support structure for Hamas, you help perpetuate the suffering. As opposed to the good done with the billions of dollars supplied by U.S. taxpayers to kill Palestinians? Peace is possible the day the Palestinian people want to live in peace. To date the majority has not so chosen. I do not support everything Israel does or has done, but until all their neighbors, including the Palestinians, accept its right to exist and live in peace, the war those neighbors declared continues to their detriment. As the best example of a functioning representative republic in the region we should aid them as we can. I know it is harsh, but sometimes you have to let people suffer until they change the behavior that creates the suffering. You'd sing a different tune if they were your relatives being given a white phosphorus bath. I hope my relatives would choose to build at home rather than try to tear down the entire neighborhood, and thus avoid said bath. Matthew * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Taxes and good life
I think you meant to say the Declaration of Independence, rather than Constitution. Liberty does not, and has not always equalled the franchise. A compelling argument can be made that only those who have a permanent stake in a society, and who pay taxes to support it, ought to be able to vote how those taxes are spent. Back then that meant property owning males. We have expanded that definition of who deserves the franchise, and the tax base, since then. Matthew On Feb 4, 2009, at 9:46 PM, Rev. Stewart Marshall wrote: That statement by Jefferson in the Continuation is a real reflection of the Enlightenment teaching of the 17 and 18th century. Before this time the concept of liberty was very limited and only tot hose who had. Even in the US the early Fathers believed that only those who owned property should vote. Not a very broad concept of liberty. See this web site for more info. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age_of_Enlightenment Stewart * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Needlepoint
woah ...sensitive ;^) ...well, my wife does crafts and sells at juried shows ...she hates it when people come to her booth and say, well, we could get that at walmart cheaper! Nobody will ever know the hours of work and devotion she puts into her creations ...no price will ever be enough! On the other hand, she has loyal customers who will chase her all over the state to find her at a show. She has taken checks from strangers, sent items with bill enclosed, and never been stiffed. Some people don't understand crafters; of course, nobody understands programmers!! ...hehee! -Original Message- From: Sue Cubic [mailto:scu...@earthlink.net] Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2009 5:46 PM Subject: Re: Needlepoint At 04:17 PM 02/04/2009 -0500, Tom Piwowar wrote Why not a Computerized Sewing and Embroidery Machine? I can tell you're not a true craftsperson. :) Sue * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
[CGUYS] Audio transfer
At the risk of incurring wrath by discussing something digital on this forum, I have a question: I've used Audacity to transfer tape recording to digital, and the results are quite good. However, in Mac I don't seem to have full access to the program's controls. No complaints whatsoever about the .aiff files, they hold all the signal on the tapes, but I would like to have some more opportunity to shape the eventual files. Any thoughts? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
