Re: [CGUYS] links cut off
On my screen the following goes all the way to the right side without wrapping. What do others see? 12345678901234567890123456789012345678901234567890123456789012345678 9012 34567890123456789012345678901234567890123456789012345678901234567890 1234 56789012345678 I see lines wrapped at 72 chars. This suddenly annoyed me after years of not being much bothered by it. In my case, at least, it turned out to be caused by an Outlook setting: the wrap setting in Tools.Options.Mail Format.Internet Format. Inexplicably, the dialog won't let you set a value 132, but it can be set in the registry instead, and any value works there. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] myEarthLink News Article - Reports: Apple CEO Steve Jobs had liver transplant
Curiously this is a front page story even on European news sites. Much of the world pins its hopes for technological progress on this one man. On Jun 20, 2009, at 11:09 PM, Rev. Stewart A. Marshall wrote: Reports: Apple CEO Steve Jobs had liver transplant * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] I Got 9
On Jun 20, 2009, at 10:46 PM, John Duncan Yoyo wrote: But the FCC already has sold off the bandwidth. I don't understand why they don't lease this sort of thing rather than sell it off wholesale. It should be continuing revenue not a one time thing. Political ideology. Once you sell off a public asset it is hard to get it back. Recall that RR had a plan to sell off weather forecasting. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] I Got 9
The debate may be over, but the consequences are not. One consequence that's ongoing: TV reception that's eccentric at best. So why not talk about it? Among other things, useful information can be exchanged: e.g. which types and brands of antenna work best, where to get them, and other tips. This is especially important for those of us who live in apartments and can't put a big antenna on the roof. I'd love to have cable or satellite, but that's a Let them eat cake solution to the problem. (Have you ever noticed how many ways there are to say, Let them eat cake? While, in a strictly historical sense, Marie Antoinette may not have actually said it, other people have been saying it in one form or another ever since.) --Constance Warner On Jun 20, 2009, at 1:09 PM, t.piwowar wrote: On Jun 20, 2009, at 11:49 AM, mike wrote: This kind of thing is done with almost every topic, it's just not noticed when it is already your view. Can you say, 'The debate is over' ? These kinds of so called debates aren't good for anyone on any topic. How often do we get real news on the RIAA? Ever hear the letters EFF on network or cable news when talking about copyright cases? That's is a tough one. On one hand we have the Supreme Ayatollah who says The election is over. On the other hand you have those corrupt cons/neocons who will scream No until hell freezes over. There will always be dissenters who will not shut up. At some point a reasonable person has to say it is time to move on. With the RIAA a reasonable person might say it is time to go back and fix mistakes of the past. This may be a question that has no answer. ** *** ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http:// www.cguys.org/ ** ** *** * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Unhappy Verizon Customer Killed
On Jun 20, 2009, at 6:57 PM, Jeff Miles wrote: The quote about the neighbors said losing his life... not that he was killed. You imply by saying killed that he was murdered. From what I've read it seems he lost his life through complications brought on by a bit of stupid rage. I did not expect this to be turned into a demonstration of senseless WFB rage. All the usual suspects responded and even tried to work M$ into the story. Why? All I get from this is a list of people to pay no attention to. They don't respond to the message, but to some fantasied caricature of the messenger. Killed is the most neutral term I can think of for moving from the state of being alive to the state of being dead through the action of some event. One can be killed by a fall or a heart attack or a lightning bolt or elevated blood pressure etc.. I do wonder what the tech could have possibly done to cause such rage. I guess what caused me to post it here was our discussion of OTA DTV unhappiness. Even customers of the highly-regarded FIOS service can get plenty mad. Fortunately, none of us got that mad at DTV. P.S. I am a happy Verizon customer. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Databases: Open Office Base?
File Metadata is a wonderful thing but it seems to me unless you are using it yourself for yourself, like professional photogs do, it opens opens up a whole indexing discipline can of worms. Wouldn't metadata indexing work spottily unless you have put a LOT of professional caliber design planning into it before you start and then execute it throughout the database's lifespan with consistency? Classical filing by location, filename or date, automatically imposes a simple system and discipline to the project from the start. It seems to me that people .. run of the mill employees, volunteers etc are more likely to understand and perform, file naming and folder distribution than they are to reliably and uniformly tag files. One has to do that to accomplish anything but you can put one badly thought out tag on a file, call it done and it will be next to useless for retrieval purposes. ? db Tony B wrote: Ya, but often the fields are different. i.e., You want to describe that photo as Uncle George, Atlantic City, July 2008, Aunt Mary, Casino, Beach, vacations. What field are you going to put these in so that ALL your apps will read and can use the data? And how many of your apps will pass that data to the right place if the file is converted from a .jpg to a .png? Or .tif? Heck, many apps just strip all the metadata during simple picture manipulations and don't even tell you! I know you hate it, I do too frankly, but if MS gets behind it then it _will_ become some sort of standard. Until then, it's next to useless. On Sat, Jun 20, 2009 at 2:45 PM, t.piwowart...@tjpa.com wrote: On Jun 20, 2009, at 2:25 PM, Tony B wrote: We've discussed this before on the list. The new WinFS file system was supposed to be implemented with Vista and would have used metadata in files to sort them. Yes, M$ dropped the ball, but you don't need WinFS to do metadata. Metadata is defined in the specs for JPEG and TIFF files and probably others too. Seems to me that a photo management program would be able to manage scanned docs just as well. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Recommendations for good iPod to Itunes (reverse) copy
On Jun 21, 2009, at 12:34 AM, Steve at Verizon wrote: Sounds pretty good. However, I just want to copy tracks manually, not sync. Does it handle that? I use iPodDisk.app for that. Free. The iPod appears on the desktop as a disk image with folders as you would expect. www.nabble.com * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] links cut off
I see lines wrapped at 72 characters. Does the ___ trick mentioned earlier, always consistently trump this URL break problem if you use it? db Chris Dunford wrote: On my screen the following goes all the way to the right side without wrapping. What do others see? 12345678901234567890123456789012345678901234567890123456789012345678 9012 34567890123456789012345678901234567890123456789012345678901234567890 1234 56789012345678 I see lines wrapped at 72 chars. This suddenly annoyed me after years of not being much bothered by it. In my case, at least, it turned out to be caused by an Outlook setting: the wrap setting in Tools.Options.Mail Format.Internet Format. Inexplicably, the dialog won't let you set a value 132, but it can be set in the registry instead, and any value works there. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] I Got 9
On Jun 21, 2009, at 12:32 PM, Constance Warner wrote: The debate may be over, but the consequences are not. One consequence that's ongoing: TV reception that's eccentric at best. So why not talk about it? Among other things, useful information can be exchanged: e.g. which types and brands of antenna work best, where to get them, and other tips. This is especially important for those of us who live in apartments and can't put a big antenna on the roof. I saw the transition as an opportunity to upgrade and had many of my questions answered beforehand on this list. Based on what I learned here I replaced my SD Replay with an HD Tivo. I also learned here that DTV transmitter power was set much lower than it was for SD. So I decided to get an outdoor antenna. Not being suicidal I hired Fairfax Antenna to do the job. As one would expect from a pro, they immediately told me that I still needed both VHF and UHF. They knew about 7 and 9. So I had an easy transition at home. The Tivo service even downloads new channel assignments so I have no need to rescan. My TV at the office was a do-it-yourself job and did not go as smoothly. However, I think the channel 9 problem was caused by the station because the problem went away without my doing anything. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Databases: Open Office Base?
On Jun 21, 2009, at 12:52 PM, db wrote: File Metadata is a wonderful thing but it seems to me unless you are using it yourself for yourself, like professional photogs do, it opens opens up a whole indexing discipline can of worms. Classical filing by location, filename or date, automatically imposes a simple system and discipline to the project from the start. It seems to me that people .. run of the mill employees, volunteers etc are more likely to understand and perform, file naming and folder distribution than they are to reliably and uniformly tag files. Things things you list are tags. In some systems many of these can even be applied automatically. Additional tags may or may not make a mess. Some people name their folders poorly and scatter them in various locations on their hard drive, server, cloud etc. I don't see how tags would be any worse. They could potentially be better because they would work even it situations where the folder organization was a mess. The most important tags are often about the people in the photos. It is interesting that Apple added face recognition to iPhoto to do precisely that. For a version 1.0 product it ain't bad. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Unhappy Verizon Customer Killed
Who knows what happened in this case but modern residential consumer cabling installations are frequently a dysfunctional boondoggle no matter where you are located in the US and what company you are dealing with. Often the installers are young relatively unskilled and underpaid pieceworkers using their own equipment. The companies follow through and middle management systems are minimal for residential consumer installation or repair. A difficult troubleshooting problem that might involve a systemic problem can take 5 troubleshooting visits (requiring being at home for a 4 hour window each time) over the space of six weeks. Sometimes no one even shows up ... simple installations can easily and frequently do take two visits because of incompetence or management oversight or miscommunication. I have repeatedly seen homeowners who have been thru the mill before pay a professional 3rd party contractor to do the work, rather than schedule a free cable maintenance call and undergo another infuriating gut wrenching, waste of their time experience. This customer's reaction of grabbing the steering wheel to try to get the guy to stay and do whatever it was the paying customer so obviously strongly felt should be done, does not surprise me in the least. In 20 years of cable service, I have been there myself all too often. This abuse of negligence occures because there it no consequences for the companies. No consumer enforcement mechanism and no real competition / choices for us. db t.piwowar wrote: On Jun 20, 2009, at 6:57 PM, Jeff Miles wrote: The quote about the neighbors said losing his life... not that he was killed. You imply by saying killed that he was murdered. From what I've read it seems he lost his life through complications brought on by a bit of stupid rage. I did not expect this to be turned into a demonstration of senseless WFB rage. All the usual suspects responded and even tried to work M$ into the story. Why? All I get from this is a list of people to pay no attention to. They don't respond to the message, but to some fantasied caricature of the messenger. Killed is the most neutral term I can think of for moving from the state of being alive to the state of being dead through the action of some event. One can be killed by a fall or a heart attack or a lightning bolt or elevated blood pressure etc.. I do wonder what the tech could have possibly done to cause such rage. I guess what caused me to post it here was our discussion of OTA DTV unhappiness. Even customers of the highly-regarded FIOS service can get plenty mad. Fortunately, none of us got that mad at DTV. P.S. I am a happy Verizon customer. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Databases: Open Office Base?
On Jun 20, 2009, at 3:18 PM, Tony B wrote: I know you hate it, I do too frankly, but if MS gets behind it then it _will_ become some sort of standard. Until then, it's next to useless. Your faith in the Supreme Ayatollah is touching. I have not seen any evidence that M$ has any particular expertise in this. Well defined tagging already exists and is commonly used. We really don't need a johnny-come-lately messing things up. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] colbert on natal
On Jun 20, 2009, at 10:11 PM, mike wrote: Steven Colbert unveiled a new MS product...the Ex-Box. It comes with not only no controller, but no games and no console...for only 500 dollars! He is being a bit more clever about it, but this is exactly what I was saying. He is right. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] I Got 9
There's a lot of this going on these days, and not just at the Fed level. Many states are selling the rights to the future income from the tobacco settlement and from their toll road tolls. And it's not ideology, just shortsighted desire by both parties for revenue to spend . t.piwowar wrote: On Jun 20, 2009, at 10:46 PM, John Duncan Yoyo wrote: But the FCC already has sold off the bandwidth. I don't understand why they don't lease this sort of thing rather than sell it off wholesale. It should be continuing revenue not a one time thing. Political ideology. Once you sell off a public asset it is hard to get it back. Recall that RR had a plan to sell off weather forecasting. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Embedding Metadata in PDF (Was: Databases: Open Office Base?)
On Jun 20, 2009, at 10:23 PM, Alvin Auerbach wrote: Problem: File size of original document: 2.2 MB. File size of modified document: 9.2 MB. Why the huge increase in file size? Preview does not attempt to create optimized PDFs. It saves the file as quickly as possible. There is no option to perform extra processing to make it smaller. For that you need to pay for Acrobat. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Unhappy Verizon Customer Killed
We'll probably never know, so we can speculate all day. I tend to imagine it was something the tech had absolutely no power over, like he was having trouble with long distance which was from a different company. I do wonder what the tech could have possibly done to cause such rage. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Unhappy Verizon Customer Killed
Semantics always play a roll in how a word is defined. The man died due to injuries sustained during the confrontation between him and the cable install technician. We know nothing other than this. Newspapers have done their best to misuse the English language for a long time. Kill is a verb along with die. How ever one indicates action taken upon that person and the other indicates a passive type of action. At this point we have no other information other than the man died due to injuries sustained when he grabbed hold of the wheel of the vehicle the technician was driving. The English language is very bad for technical terms as the words tend to be defined alike. Many foreign languages use specific words that have specific definitions. Case in point. May people recite the Ten commandments and say the 5th (in my church, in others the 6th) commandment says that you shall not kill. However a better rendering of that commandment is you shall not murder. A very specific term that indicates the illegal taking of another person life. One of my members is a former newspaper man who then went into professional journal management. He comments all the time on how poorly the modern newspapers are doing their job in using the English language properly. Stewart At 01:41 PM 6/21/2009, you wrote: We'll probably never know, so we can speculate all day. I tend to imagine it was something the tech had absolutely no power over, like he was having trouble with long distance which was from a different company. I do wonder what the tech could have possibly done to cause such rage. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Unhappy Verizon Customer Killed
We'll probably never know, so we can speculate all day. Verizon is cooperating with the police investigation. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] links cut off
On Sun, Jun 21, 2009 at 12:57 PM, db db...@att.net wrote: I see lines wrapped at 72 characters. Does the ___ trick mentioned earlier, always consistently trump this URL break problem if you use it? It does on usenet. -- John Duncan Yoyo ---o) * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Unhappy Verizon Customer Killed
A sad, sad statement on the perception of the telcos today that Eric felt he even had to say this. Course he doesn't work for qwest where the driver would have backed over the customer to ensure he wouldn't have to return to fix the problem he had just made worse. On Sun, Jun 21, 2009 at 11:57 AM, Eric S. Sande esa...@erols.com wrote: We'll probably never know, so we can speculate all day. Verizon is cooperating with the police investigation. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] I Got 9
On Sun, Jun 21, 2009 at 12:32 PM, Constance Warnercawar...@his.com wrote: The debate may be over, but the consequences are not. One consequence that's ongoing: TV reception that's eccentric at best. So why not talk about it? Among other things, useful information can be exchanged: e.g. which types and brands of antenna work best, where to get them, and other tips. Of course we will continue to discuss this just as we continue to discuss other computer topics. There a number of aspects concerning this digital transition that are actually still being debated and will continue to be for some time to come. A very important aspect is the digital television receiver. The receiver is critical to the signal chain and can have a great impact on the ability of the viewer to be able to receive a broadcast. The receiver is as important to receiving a signal as is the antenna or the transmitter and its power and location relative to the viewers location. There are no standards mandated by the FCC for television receivers. Never have been. Not even for the now pretty much deceased analog system. Receivers can be as good or as crappy as the manufacturer wants them to be. Recent calls for standardization have been beaten back by industry, headed up by the lobbying of the Consumer Electronics Association. The 8-VSB digital broadcast system was dictated by the FCC to be the standard for broadcasts in the United States. This system was chosen over the system used by most of the other nations of the world, and is used by only three countries, Canada, the United States and, if I am not mistaken here, New Zealand. Back in the early days of analog, the United States decided to go with an inferior standard than was chosen by most of the rest of the world. and we have probably done it again. The 8-VSB system is generally regarded as the most troublesome in terms of being able to obtain good reception under adverse conditions as compared to the COFDM system used by most of the rest of the world. Our system is more prone to interference, and it is that interference that is causing a lot of our current reception problems, especially in urban areas. This is where some minimum receiver specification standards would be of great help. Receivers can be designed to include circuitry and components that can help to minimize multipath interference that causes loss of signal and pixellation problems. Some receivers are a lot more sensitive to low signal levels than are others, and can thus capture a signal than could not otherwise be received. Receiver sensitivity and the ability to fend off interference problems is much more important with our new digital TV than it was with the old analog system, and is the reason why standards for receivers is now being debated. The manufacturing industry has thus far been successful in convincing the FCC that the marketplace should be the one and only determining factor involved in sorting out this end of the problem, while others maintain that some minimum standards would be of immense help in offsetting receptions problems that were both anticipated as well as being a reality. There is a royalty fee that is paid to Zenith Corp., the holder of the 8-VSB patent, and this royalty fee ranges from $24 to about $41 per DTV television set that is sold. The amount of the fee is dependent upon the screen size of the TV set. I do not know what the fee is for each converter box, but there is one. Those royalty fees are quite steep, and add to the cost of digital TV sets. Since the fee is the same regardless of the quality of the signal processor, wouldn't it be to the benefit of the consumer if the signal processor met certain minimum standards in terms of capability? Many think so, but the industry disagrees. In fact, it is very difficult for consumers to obtain and be able to compare receiver specs other than screen size and resolution. If there were mandated standards, those specs would most likely be widely available and could be of great assistance to consumers when they are making purchasing decisions. Broadcasters like the 8-VSB system because it is cheaper to operate than the COFDM system. The 8-VSB system allows for less transmitter power to get a usable signal to the receiver under ideal conditions, but the trade-off is being more prone to multipath interference on the receive end under typical conditions. That being said, two networks, CBS, and ABC if memory serves me well, initially objected to the 8-VSB system being chosen over COFDM because of the known reception problems, but the story has it that extreme lobbying by Zenith and an amalgam of patent holders relative to the 8-VSB system held sway and we have what we now have. Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at
Re: [CGUYS] I Got 9
On Jun 21, 2009, at 1:47 PM, Steve at Verizon wrote: There's a lot of this going on these days, and not just at the Fed level. Many states are selling the rights to the future income from the tobacco settlement and from their toll road tolls. And it's not ideology, just shortsighted desire by both parties for revenue to spend . This is a consequence of the inability to raise sufficient current revenue through taxation. And that is a consequence of the squealing hogs who insist that mansions and private jets are a more worthy expenditure than taking care of children and the infirm: the Gold as God crowd. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] I Got 9
Damn those who think of themselves and their family before the State.. On Sun, Jun 21, 2009 at 1:39 PM, t.piwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote: On Jun 21, 2009, at 1:47 PM, Steve at Verizon wrote: There's a lot of this going on these days, and not just at the Fed level. Many states are selling the rights to the future income from the tobacco settlement and from their toll road tolls. And it's not ideology, just shortsighted desire by both parties for revenue to spend . This is a consequence of the inability to raise sufficient current revenue through taxation. And that is a consequence of the squealing hogs who insist that mansions and private jets are a more worthy expenditure than taking care of children and the infirm: the Gold as God crowd. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] I Got 9
On Jun 21, 2009, at 4:07 PM, phartz...@gmail.com wrote: In fact, it is very difficult for consumers to obtain and be able to compare receiver specs other than screen size and resolution. That was my major gripe when shopping for a converter box. I'm sure that the Tivax box I have at the office is not as good as the RCA box I have at home, but the Tivax box got better reviews. I wonder if the FCC could require some key specifications to be disclosed by vendors. After all the acclaimed free market can not function in the absence of information. Back when I used to be a high- fidelity fan I routinely compared specifications on various types of gear. So strange to have that information kept secret. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Unhappy Verizon Customer Killed
On Jun 21, 2009, at 2:53 PM, Rev. Stewart Marshall wrote: Kill is a verb along with die. How ever one indicates action taken upon that person and the other indicates a passive type of action. Would not die firmly put the responsibility for the act on the person doing the dying? He was killed by lightning. vs. He died of natural causes. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] I Got 9
On Jun 21, 2009, at 4:44 PM, mike wrote: Damn those who think of themselves and their family before the State.. Using words to hide true meaning. What is the State. This is not North Korea or Iran. This is a democratic state. There is nothing wrong with people banding together to take care of common concerns like taking care of sick children or providing medical care for the infirm. I see nothing to commend a cruel dog-eat-dog regime. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Unhappy Verizon Customer Killed
Some states have good Samaritan laws on the books so standing by is a crime. On Sun, Jun 21, 2009 at 1:57 PM, t.piwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote: On Jun 21, 2009, at 2:53 PM, Rev. Stewart Marshall wrote: Case in point. May people recite the Ten commandments and say the 5th (in my church, in others the 6th) commandment says that you shall not kill. However a better rendering of that commandment is you shall not murder. A very specific term that indicates the illegal taking of another person life. Hence ignoring a dying man is deemed perfectly fine since the man is doing the dying and observation of the event is not connected with killing? I guess this terminology would thwart the anti-abortion folks too. Very interesting point of view. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
[CGUYS] Indecent Language
WAMU just broadcast an apology for indecent language broadcast earlier today during technical difficulties. Did anyone hear what happened? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] I Got 9
Indeed, indeed...people..the community banding together...not the STATE demanding it under penalty of imprisonment. On Sun, Jun 21, 2009 at 2:10 PM, t.piwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote: On Jun 21, 2009, at 4:44 PM, mike wrote: Damn those who think of themselves and their family before the State.. Using words to hide true meaning. What is the State. This is not North Korea or Iran. This is a democratic state. There is nothing wrong with people banding together to take care of common concerns like taking care of sick children or providing medical care for the infirm. I see nothing to commend a cruel dog-eat-dog regime. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
[CGUYS] selling used mp3's
http://www.houstonpress.com/2009-06-18/music/byte-this/ Interesting article about web sites cropping up selling 'used' mp3's you maybe want to be rid of. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] I Got 9
This is a consequence of the inability of our elected officials to behave like adults and not repeatedly overspend the current levels taxation. And that is a consequence of the squealing hogs who insist that anything is a worthy expenditure: the state as God crowd. FTFY * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] I Got 9
Using words to hide true meaning. What is the State. This is not North Korea or Iran. This is a democratic state. That only shows how little you know of our system. It is a republic, not a democracy. If it were a democracy, the citizenry would be voting every single thing up or down. There is nothing wrong with people banding together to take care of common concerns like taking care of sick children or providing medical care for the infirm. I see nothing to commend a cruel dog-eat-dog regime. Sorry for you 49.9%, but we 50.1% have plans for you. If you have any objections, the complaint line forms out back. Pick up a complimentary blindfold and cigarette on the way out. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Unhappy Verizon Customer Killed
On Jun 21, 2009, at 5:20 PM, mike wrote: Some states have good Samaritan laws on the books so standing by is a crime. Without such laws the Good Samaritan would risk prosecution for less then perfect assistance. Having such a law shields the person who wants to do the right thing. Of course in your dog-eat-dog world that would not be seen as a good thing. Maybe we would be better off if the state provided us with a Soylent Green style of exit. That would take care of the sick and the poor and provide more fuel for the hogs? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Unhappy Verizon Customer Killed
On Jun 21, 2009, at 2:53 PM, Rev. Stewart Marshall wrote: Case in point. May people recite the Ten commandments and say the 5th (in my church, in others the 6th) commandment says that you shall not kill. However a better rendering of that commandment is you shall not murder. A very specific term that indicates the illegal taking of another person life. Hence ignoring a dying man is deemed perfectly fine since the man is doing the dying and observation of the event is not connected with killing? I guess this terminology would thwart the anti-abortion folks too. Very interesting point of view. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Indecent Language
On Sun, Jun 21, 2009 at 5:16 PM, t.piwowart...@tjpa.com wrote: WAMU just broadcast an apology for indecent language broadcast earlier today during technical difficulties. Did anyone hear what happened? I did not hear it, but I would supposed that someone said something that Gorge Carlin might appreciate when they thought their microphone was turned off. Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] I Got 9
On Sun, Jun 21, 2009 at 4:49 PM, t.piwowart...@tjpa.com wrote: I wonder if the FCC could require some key specifications to be disclosed by vendors. After all the acclaimed free market can not function in the absence of information. Back when I used to be a high-fidelity fan I routinely compared specifications on various types of gear. So strange to have that information kept secret. The ready availability of important specs about televisions is nothing at all like it is, and has been, in the the audio world. It is almost as if the makers are not anxious to reveal their specs to the buying public. To a degree, this is the fault of the consumers themselves. Neither the ordinary consumer or their governmental representatives have pushed for this, and lest we forget, our governmental representatives are consumers just like us. Look how hard it has been to get reasonably informative ingredient and nutrition labeling on food products, and food is much more important to our lives than any TV set...at least among folks that I hang out with. What are the chances for mandated TV spec availability? Zilch. What are the chances for the voluntary availability of TV set receiver specs? Less zilch, but not promising at all. So here we now are. The industry and the industry regulator, the FCC, have handed the reception problems off to the typically non-expert consumer to solve. On top of that daunting chore, we can't even get the necessary info about how well a given TV set's receiver is expected to perform except through internet forums that are, for the most part. opinions and anecdotal experiences. While not useless, such forums do not constitute actual laboratory measurements of the performance of the TV receiver circuitry. That is what we, the unwashed public needs in order to do our work. Do the right thing, TV manufacturers. Make those missing specs as readily available as you do your screen size, resolution and contrast ratios. Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] selling used mp3's
On Sun, Jun 21, 2009 at 5:26 PM, mikexha...@gmail.com wrote: http://www.houstonpress.com/2009-06-18/music/byte-this/ Interesting article about web sites cropping up selling 'used' mp3's you maybe want to be rid of. Wait until the RIAA gets wind of this! Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Recommendations for good iPod to Itunes (reverse) copy
Thank you Tom. However, I committed the unpardonable sin of omitting my OS. Am looking for a Windows app. t.piwowar wrote: On Jun 21, 2009, at 12:34 AM, Steve at Verizon wrote: Sounds pretty good. However, I just want to copy tracks manually, not sync. Does it handle that? I use iPodDisk.app for that. Free. The iPod appears on the desktop as a disk image with folders as you would expect. www.nabble.com * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] selling used mp3's
From what I understand of the Amazon TOS, this is kosher. But, since the recording labels get screwed out their cut on the 2nd, 3rd and 17th rounds, this is a bad thing. -Original Message- ://www.houstonpress.com/2009-06-18/music/byte-this/ Interesting article about web sites cropping up selling 'used' mp3's you maybe want to be rid of. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] selling used mp3's
I remember Garth Brooks? was trying to get royalties from used sales of his albums. On Sun, Jun 21, 2009 at 4:27 PM, Jeff Wright jswri...@gmail.com wrote: From what I understand of the Amazon TOS, this is kosher. But, since the recording labels get screwed out their cut on the 2nd, 3rd and 17th rounds, this is a bad thing. -Original Message- ://www.houstonpress.com/2009-06-18/music/byte-this/ Interesting article about web sites cropping up selling 'used' mp3's you maybe want to be rid of. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] selling used mp3's
This is only a bad thing if you happen to own stock in or own one of these record labels. It's good for everybody else. Can you imagine owning a Ford car and when you sold it or traded it in having to send a portion of the sale or trade in value back to Ford? I understand how copying is illegal, but a physical product, once you've purchased it, is yours to do with as you please. At least as far as selling it goes. Jeff M On Jun 21, 2009, at 4:27 PM, Jeff Wright wrote: From what I understand of the Amazon TOS, this is kosher. But, since the recording labels get screwed out their cut on the 2nd, 3rd and 17th rounds, this is a bad thing. -Original Message- ://www.houstonpress.com/2009-06-18/music/byte-this/ Interesting article about web sites cropping up selling 'used' mp3's you maybe want to be rid of. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http:// www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Unhappy Verizon Customer Killed
That's your man, Tom Daschle... On Sun, Jun 21, 2009 at 2:57 PM, t.piwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote: Maybe we would be better off if the state provided us with a Soylent Green style of exit. That would take care of the sick and the poor and provide more fuel for the hogs? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] selling used mp3's
True, but how often have people been ripping mp3's off their cds and then selling them to used stores? On Sun, Jun 21, 2009 at 4:59 PM, Jeff Miles jmile...@charter.net wrote: This is only a bad thing if you happen to own stock in or own one of these record labels. It's good for everybody else. Can you imagine owning a Ford car and when you sold it or traded it in having to send a portion of the sale or trade in value back to Ford? I understand how copying is illegal, but a physical product, once you've purchased it, is yours to do with as you please. At least as far as selling it goes. Jeff M On Jun 21, 2009, at 4:27 PM, Jeff Wright wrote: From what I understand of the Amazon TOS, this is kosher. But, since the recording labels get screwed out their cut on the 2nd, 3rd and 17th rounds, this is a bad thing. -Original Message- ://www.houstonpress.com/2009-06-18/music/byte-this/ Interesting article about web sites cropping up selling 'used' mp3's you maybe want to be rid of. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] selling used mp3's
According to some copyright people that is not the case. You only buy the rights to listen to it, you do not buy the physical ownership of that piece of music. Same goes with software. Some artists are pushing to get paid for each time their music is played on the radio. Stewart At 06:59 PM 6/21/2009, you wrote: This is only a bad thing if you happen to own stock in or own one of these record labels. It's good for everybody else. Can you imagine owning a Ford car and when you sold it or traded it in having to send a portion of the sale or trade in value back to Ford? I understand how copying is illegal, but a physical product, once you've purchased it, is yours to do with as you please. At least as far as selling it goes. Jeff M Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Unhappy Verizon Customer Killed
No it tells of the state of the person not indicating any assumption on how he died. The person is dead. How did he die? By the way Lightening does not kill you it disrupts the electrical function of your body and that kills you! :-) (From a medical perspective.) Stewart At 04:01 PM 6/21/2009, you wrote: Would not die firmly put the responsibility for the act on the person doing the dying? He was killed by lightning. vs. He died of natural causes. Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Unhappy Verizon Customer Killed
Unlike you Tom I do not try and prejudge anyone for what happened. All we know is what was reported. cable guy showed up did work went to leave customer came out grabbed onto steering wheel of moving vehicle (I assume it was steering wheel). Other than that we can make no assumptions or judgements. The other part of the article does mention that the customer died of injuries sustained and does not state anymore. (Did he get caught under a wheel? did he get dragged?) Newspapers and news media very often use their headlines to catch your attention to grab you not caring that they themselves have made a prejudgment of what happened. I can detail a case of this, but it is long and I do not want to take up the lists time. It is horrible no matter what. Of course if it had been Charter, I could not see the guy getting injured by a tricycle. Stewart At 03:57 PM 6/21/2009, you wrote: Hence ignoring a dying man is deemed perfectly fine since the man is doing the dying and observation of the event is not connected with killing? I guess this terminology would thwart the anti-abortion folks too. Very interesting point of view. Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] selling used mp3's
I guess that would fall under illegal copying, but not quite sure. Aren't we allowed to make a copy for ourselves of something we own, as long as we don't sell that copy? But selling the original shouldn't be a problem. The thing I'm confused about is how is a person supposed to know if an MP3 is the original or a copy. Is there some kind of company digital signature one the file that doesn't get copied over if someone makes a bunch of illegal copies? I deal with so little music files that I'm really out of my depth on this subject. Jeff M On Jun 21, 2009, at 5:16 PM, mike wrote: True, but how often have people been ripping mp3's off their cds and then selling them to used stores? On Sun, Jun 21, 2009 at 4:59 PM, Jeff Miles jmile...@charter.net wrote: This is only a bad thing if you happen to own stock in or own one of these record labels. It's good for everybody else. Can you imagine owning a Ford car and when you sold it or traded it in having to send a portion of the sale or trade in value back to Ford? I understand how copying is illegal, but a physical product, once you've purchased it, is yours to do with as you please. At least as far as selling it goes. Jeff M On Jun 21, 2009, at 4:27 PM, Jeff Wright wrote: From what I understand of the Amazon TOS, this is kosher. But, since the recording labels get screwed out their cut on the 2nd, 3rd and 17th rounds, this is a bad thing. -Original Message- ://www.houstonpress.com/2009-06-18/music/byte-this/ Interesting article about web sites cropping up selling 'used' mp3's you maybe want to be rid of. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http:// www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http:// www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] selling used mp3's
According to some... But is it the law? Like I said, I can understand making numerous, or even one copy and selling that, while keeping the original for yourself. Making a copy and then selling the original is walking a very thin line. But just selling the original? I think that would be a tough sell in court on the part of the music or software companies. I'm sure some courts would side with the companies, but others, I'm also sure, would overturn them. As for the radio stations, I'm surprised they haven't been doing this all along. They've been doing this with old TV shows for years. Jeff M On Jun 21, 2009, at 5:30 PM, Rev. Stewart Marshall wrote: According to some copyright people that is not the case. You only buy the rights to listen to it, you do not buy the physical ownership of that piece of music. Same goes with software. Some artists are pushing to get paid for each time their music is played on the radio. Stewart At 06:59 PM 6/21/2009, you wrote: This is only a bad thing if you happen to own stock in or own one of these record labels. It's good for everybody else. Can you imagine owning a Ford car and when you sold it or traded it in having to send a portion of the sale or trade in value back to Ford? I understand how copying is illegal, but a physical product, once you've purchased it, is yours to do with as you please. At least as far as selling it goes. Jeff M Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http:// www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] I Got 9
Ther Problem with Socialism (what the liberals want) is that You Eventually Run Out Of Other Peoples Money Illogical Tom wrote: On Jun 21, 2009, at 4:44 PM, mike wrote: Damn those who think of themselves and their family before the State.. Using words to hide true meaning. What is the State. This is not North Korea or Iran. This is a democratic state. There is nothing wrong with people banding together to take care of common concerns like taking care of sick children or providing medical care for the infirm. I see nothing to commend a cruel dog-eat-dog regime. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] I Got 9
On Jun 21, 2009, at 6:47 PM, phartz...@gmail.com wrote: While not useless, such forums do not constitute actual laboratory measurements of the performance of the TV receiver circuitry. That is what we, the unwashed public needs in order to do our work. Do the right thing, TV manufacturers. Make those missing specs as readily available as you do your screen size, resolution and contrast ratios. Consumer Reports perhaps? Their last review of set top boxes was not very thorough. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Recommendations for good iPod to Itunes (reverse) copy
On Jun 21, 2009, at 7:04 PM, Steve at Verizon wrote: Thank you Tom. However, I committed the unpardonable sin of omitting my OS. Am looking for a Windows app. Sorry, you are screwed -- hehe. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] selling used mp3's
Insert illegal after keeping the original for yourself, below. Jeff M On Jun 21, 2009, at 6:10 PM, Jeff Miles wrote: According to some... But is it the law? Like I said, I can understand making numerous, or even one copy and selling that, while keeping the original for yourself. Making a copy and then selling the original is walking a very thin line. But just selling the original? I think that would be a tough sell in court on the part of the music or software companies. I'm sure some courts would side with the companies, but others, I'm also sure, would overturn them. As for the radio stations, I'm surprised they haven't been doing this all along. They've been doing this with old TV shows for years. Jeff M On Jun 21, 2009, at 5:30 PM, Rev. Stewart Marshall wrote: According to some copyright people that is not the case. You only buy the rights to listen to it, you do not buy the physical ownership of that piece of music. Same goes with software. Some artists are pushing to get paid for each time their music is played on the radio. Stewart At 06:59 PM 6/21/2009, you wrote: This is only a bad thing if you happen to own stock in or own one of these record labels. It's good for everybody else. Can you imagine owning a Ford car and when you sold it or traded it in having to send a portion of the sale or trade in value back to Ford? I understand how copying is illegal, but a physical product, once you've purchased it, is yours to do with as you please. At least as far as selling it goes. Jeff M Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http:// www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http:// www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] selling used mp3's
This is only a bad thing if you happen to own stock in or own one of these record labels. It's good for everybody else. Can you imagine owning a Ford car and when you sold it or traded it in having to send a portion of the sale or trade in value back to Ford? I understand how copying is illegal, but a physical product, once you've purchased it, is yours to do with as you please. At least as far as selling it goes. Yes, that was my point. Can you imagine the families of Picasso or Monet demanding a cut from Cristies every time one of their paintings is re-sold? Copying music from a buddy, who purchased the music, for personal use shouldn't be illegal. Nor should making a copy of music or movies that you legally own. Only copying someone else's work and passing it off as your own creation should be illegal. The recording labels and artists need to realize that they don't have a right to an unlimited revenue stream. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] selling used mp3's
It does not matter what we want, but what has been passed into law and what the law is. That is not the way they define it, and unless you want to appear before the court and pay judgments such as the recently rendered one. I would not assume any of that. Stewart At 09:40 PM 6/21/2009, you wrote: Yes, that was my point. Can you imagine the families of Picasso or Monet demanding a cut from Cristies every time one of their paintings is re-sold? Copying music from a buddy, who purchased the music, for personal use shouldn't be illegal. Nor should making a copy of music or movies that you legally own. Only copying someone else's work and passing it off as your own creation should be illegal. The recording labels and artists need to realize that they don't have a right to an unlimited revenue stream. Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] selling used mp3's
IP is out of control Rev. It's time we take it back. I never bought any crippled music during the 7-odd years the RIAA tried to cram DRM down our throats. Not so ironically, music piracy brought them to their senses and they finally backed off of the DRM demand. But, I did buy used CDs and ripped them to MP3 for use on my MP3 players. The RIAA would like to see that outlawed as well. http://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2008/01/are-personal-copies-digital-music-files -unauthorized-or-not There was nothing to stop me from reselling that CD again. How is that any different than directly buying ripped MP3s from an individual? -Original Message- It does not matter what we want, but what has been passed into law and what the law is. That is not the way they define it, and unless you want to appear before the court and pay judgments such as the recently rendered one. I would not assume any of that. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Unhappy Verizon Customer Killed
This story may actually offer a huge clue. Or not. But I can see myself getting pretty darned angry if this happened to me. and she replied if I wanted to be sure to have a working phone I should upgrade to FIOS. http://consumerist.com/5298449/verizons-new-marketing-pitch-squirrels-eat-old-phone-lines-so-upgrade-to-fios-for-guaranteed-service * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] selling used mp3's
On Sun, Jun 21, 2009 at 10:40 PM, Jeff Wrightjswri...@gmail.com wrote: Copying music from a buddy, who purchased the music, for personal use shouldn't be illegal. Nor should making a copy of music or movies that you legally own. The Motion Picture Association of America says that you do not have the right to make a copy of a movie that you have legally purchased. The recording labels and artists need to realize that they don't have a right to an unlimited revenue stream. Someone needs to inform the previously mentioned MPAA as well as the RIAA of your feelings about this. They do not share your beliefs. Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] selling used mp3's
I am not advocating anything. I run up against the same restrictions if not more. If I publish my printed service I better have all the correct copyrights, even to the hymnal I got the service out of to put it up on the web. That can be as many as 10 different copyright holders. Therefore I do not publish my printed service. By the way that includes a hymnal that the church bought and paid for (even to the development costs) yet we have to purchase copyright permission to print it! Like I said I may not agree with it, but currently that is the law and that is what it says. Stewart At 10:08 PM 6/21/2009, you wrote: IP is out of control Rev. It's time we take it back. I never bought any crippled music during the 7-odd years the RIAA tried to cram DRM down our throats. Not so ironically, music piracy brought them to their senses and they finally backed off of the DRM demand. But, I did buy used CDs and ripped them to MP3 for use on my MP3 players. The RIAA would like to see that outlawed as well. http://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2008/01/are-personal-copies-digital-music-files -unauthorized-or-not There was nothing to stop me from reselling that CD again. How is that any different than directly buying ripped MP3s from an individual? Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
[CGUYS] Killing flat rate?
http://www.dslreports.com/shownews/The-Metered-Billing-Fight-Is-About-To-Get-Ugly-103043 Interesting story on how the industry wants to kill flat rate billing for the Internet. Stewart Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] selling used mp3's
The MPAA almost stopped the VHS machine from being able to record and it is also the one who tried to stop DVD recorders from being a reality. Notice the warning on the beginning of a movie. It is only for personal or home use. I have to get a license to show a movie to a group at church!!! The communication industry is a minefield of regulations and copyrights that has to be navigated very carefully. Stewart At 10:19 PM 6/21/2009, you wrote: On Sun, Jun 21, 2009 at 10:40 PM, Jeff Wrightjswri...@gmail.com wrote: Copying music from a buddy, who purchased the music, for personal use shouldn't be illegal. Nor should making a copy of music or movies that you legally own. The Motion Picture Association of America says that you do not have the right to make a copy of a movie that you have legally purchased. The recording labels and artists need to realize that they don't have a right to an unlimited revenue stream. Someone needs to inform the previously mentioned MPAA as well as the RIAA of your feelings about this. They do not share your beliefs. Steve Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Unhappy Verizon Customer Killed
Oh wicked! db mike wrote: A sad, sad statement on the perception of the telcos today that Eric felt he even had to say this. Course he doesn't work for qwest where the driver would have backed over the customer to ensure he wouldn't have to return to fix the problem he had just made worse. On Sun, Jun 21, 2009 at 11:57 AM, Eric S. Sande esa...@erols.com wrote: We'll probably never know, so we can speculate all day. Verizon is cooperating with the police investigation. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
