Re: [CGUYS] Gubmint computer grab

2009-08-03 Thread Constance Warner
Oh, do get real.  In the 1930's, there was 25% unemployment [much  
higher in some places], starvation, ecological collapse, foreign wars  
on the horizon, large numbers of internally displaced people, native  
fascism, a growing U.S. communist party [partly supported by the  
Soviet Union], and an incipient class war.  Working conditions in  
some places in this country [like my home state] were basically Early  
Industrial Revolution--and, if you examine the history, it really was  
as bad as you think.  Things were going to hell very, very fast, and  
it took drastic action to drag the country back from the brink.   
Complete recovery took awhile, but the early measures did help.


The New Deal saved the country from a lot worse situation than we  
have at present.  In fact, FDR's most notable achievement may have  
been saving capitalism; to a lot of people at the time, communism and  
similar systems were looking pretty good, compared to the mess that  
they blamed, rightly or wrongly, on laissez-faire capitalism and Wall  
Street speculators.  (And no cracks about communism is what we have  
now, please.  As an amateur Kremlinologist with a special interest  
in the satellite countries--remember them?--I know the difference,  
and so do you.)


I'm a little chagrined that I let myself get baited into joining the  
fray.  I just have to believe that the statements about FDR ruining  
the economy are something in the matter of a joke, or at least an  
exaggeration.  But in my home state, the scars of the Great  
Depression are still visible, so I don't think it's particularly funny.


And as for worship: I don't care who worships what, really.  I'm  
actually more concerned about exaggerations and outright lies about  
programs like the cash for clunkers program and other proposals of  
this administration.  I won't even speculate about the motives of  
people who lie and exaggerate, because they're sufficiently evident  
not to need further exposition here.  The economy may be in better  
shape than it was last fall, and some of the current programs seem to  
be having some effect.  But the chances are NOT ZERO that we could  
still have another Great Depression; and certain news [sic]  
reporters, by trying to tear down any Democratic program they see,  
and in particular by lying about those programs, seem to be pushing  
us toward the edge of the cliff.


--Constance Warner

On Aug 2, 2009, at 9:59 PM, Matthew Taylor wrote:


Reverend;

If you don't think FDR is worshiped by many you are not paying  
attention.


Matthew

On Aug 2, 2009, at 9:52 PM, Rev. Stewart Marshall wrote:


There are differences between shines and monuments/memorials.

One is for the purposes of remembrance one is for the purpose of  
worship.



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Re: [CGUYS] Well-thought analysis of MSFT - Michael Crichton

2009-08-03 Thread mike
You mean of course like a longer timeline of static temps?

On Sun, Aug 2, 2009 at 7:35 PM, TPiwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote:

 On Aug 2, 2009, at 10:03 PM, Matthew Taylor wrote:

 To amplify my point:
 http://www.crichton-official.com/speech-ourenvironmentalfuture.html


 Reasonable and thoughtful. However, this speech was given over 4-1/2 years
 ago. Since then scientists have accumulated much additional evidence. If he
 were alive today I'm sure he would revise his position.

 Of course in lalaland we are invincible. Confident that Captain America
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Re: [CGUYS] Well-thought analysis of MSFT - Michael Crichton

2009-08-03 Thread Matthew Taylor

Do you have an actual argument to make or are insults all you offer?

Remember, Dr. Crichton died in 2008 and had not revised his position  
before his death.


Matthew

On Aug 2, 2009, at 11:16 PM, TPiwowar wrote:


On Aug 2, 2009, at 10:51 PM, Matthew Taylor wrote:
What makes you sure?  Do you have any evidence to support that  
view?  Is there anything materially different about our  
understanding of climate between then and now that is especially  
compelling?


I'm sure that in lalaland nothing has changed since the last ice age.



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Re: [CGUYS] Gubmint computer grab

2009-08-03 Thread Chris Dunford
This is a truly exceptional post, Constance. I could not find a snippet to 
quote that was any less relevant or important than any other, so I am doing 
something I never do: quoting the whole thing.
Well done.

 -Original Message-
 From: Computer Guys Discussion List [mailto:computerguy...@listserv.aol.com] 
 On Behalf Of Constance
 Warner
 Sent: Monday, August 03, 2009 1:55 AM
 To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM
 Subject: Re: [CGUYS] Gubmint computer grab
 
 Oh, do get real.  In the 1930's, there was 25% unemployment [much
 higher in some places], starvation, ecological collapse, foreign wars
 on the horizon, large numbers of internally displaced people, native
 fascism, a growing U.S. communist party [partly supported by the
 Soviet Union], and an incipient class war.  Working conditions in
 some places in this country [like my home state] were basically Early
 Industrial Revolution--and, if you examine the history, it really was
 as bad as you think.  Things were going to hell very, very fast, and
 it took drastic action to drag the country back from the brink.
 Complete recovery took awhile, but the early measures did help.
 
 The New Deal saved the country from a lot worse situation than we
 have at present.  In fact, FDR's most notable achievement may have
 been saving capitalism; to a lot of people at the time, communism and
 similar systems were looking pretty good, compared to the mess that
 they blamed, rightly or wrongly, on laissez-faire capitalism and Wall
 Street speculators.  (And no cracks about communism is what we have
 now, please.  As an amateur Kremlinologist with a special interest
 in the satellite countries--remember them?--I know the difference,
 and so do you.)
 
 I'm a little chagrined that I let myself get baited into joining the
 fray.  I just have to believe that the statements about FDR ruining
 the economy are something in the matter of a joke, or at least an
 exaggeration.  But in my home state, the scars of the Great
 Depression are still visible, so I don't think it's particularly funny.
 
 And as for worship: I don't care who worships what, really.  I'm
 actually more concerned about exaggerations and outright lies about
 programs like the cash for clunkers program and other proposals of
 this administration.  I won't even speculate about the motives of
 people who lie and exaggerate, because they're sufficiently evident
 not to need further exposition here.  The economy may be in better
 shape than it was last fall, and some of the current programs seem to
 be having some effect.  But the chances are NOT ZERO that we could
 still have another Great Depression; and certain news [sic]
 reporters, by trying to tear down any Democratic program they see,
 and in particular by lying about those programs, seem to be pushing
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Re: [CGUYS] Finally an FCC that earns its keep

2009-08-03 Thread phartz...@gmail.com
On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 12:10 AM, Jeff Wrightjswri...@gmail.com wrote:

 Sunk costs is a reasonable ...er... reason for not investing in a new
 platform.

  Actually, it is an understandable rationale for not shelling out for
a new platform.

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[CGUYS] No browserless Win7 after all?

2009-08-03 Thread Chris Dunford
Since the plan to ship Win7 in Europe without a browser apparently did not 
satisfy regulators, MS has proposed shipping it with IE8 but also allowing 
users to choose between IE8, Firefox, Safari,
Chrome, or Opera during setup.

http://news.cnet.com/8301-13860_3-10301299-56.html


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Re: [CGUYS] Wireless remote control app for iPhone?

2009-08-03 Thread Jordan

db wrote:
As another alternative solution re: my previous post ( Wireless 
keyboard w. built-in mouse/ pointer for mac?? ) about controlling a 
white tiger laptop attached to a digital TV, I am researching remote 
control apps for the iPhone.


I see ones that will let you control iTunes. 
Does anyone know if there is one for my purposes ... remote 
controlling a Tiger macbook (playing downloaded videos)  from across 
the room?
There's an article in the July Macworld by Christopher Breen called Mini 
Media Hub that talks about an iPhone app called Air Mouse Pro which can 
be used to control certain certain things. And if you do a search for 
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Re: [CGUYS] Finally an FCC that earns its keep

2009-08-03 Thread Jordan

phartz...@gmail.com wrote:

On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 12:10 AM, Jeff Wrightjswri...@gmail.com wrote:

  

Sunk costs is a reasonable ...er... reason for not investing in a new
platform.



  Actually, it is an understandable rationale for not shelling out for
a new platform.
  
But if money is limited, and who's isn't, a good argument can be made 
for many people to stop pouring money into the moneypit that is Windows 
and the disposable computers that people are lured into buying.



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Re: [CGUYS] Gubmint computer grab

2009-08-03 Thread mike
Might want to read The Forgotten Man for another view that isn't about
attacking or defending, but simply listing out facts and letting conclusions
be drawn by the reader.

On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 3:59 AM, Chris Dunford seed...@gmail.com wrote:

 This is a truly exceptional post, Constance. I could not find a snippet to
 quote that was any less relevant or important than any other, so I am doing
 something I never do: quoting the whole thing.
 Well done.

  -Original Message-
  From: Computer Guys Discussion List [mailto:
 computerguy...@listserv.aol.com] On Behalf Of Constance
  Warner
  Sent: Monday, August 03, 2009 1:55 AM
  To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM
  Subject: Re: [CGUYS] Gubmint computer grab
 
  Oh, do get real.  In the 1930's, there was 25% unemployment [much
  higher in some places], starvation, ecological collapse, foreign wars
  on the horizon, large numbers of internally displaced people, native
  fascism, a growing U.S. communist party [partly supported by the
  Soviet Union], and an incipient class war.  Working conditions in
  some places in this country [like my home state] were basically Early
  Industrial Revolution--and, if you examine the history, it really was
  as bad as you think.  Things were going to hell very, very fast, and
  it took drastic action to drag the country back from the brink.
  Complete recovery took awhile, but the early measures did help.
 
  The New Deal saved the country from a lot worse situation than we
  have at present.  In fact, FDR's most notable achievement may have
  been saving capitalism; to a lot of people at the time, communism and
  similar systems were looking pretty good, compared to the mess that
  they blamed, rightly or wrongly, on laissez-faire capitalism and Wall
  Street speculators.  (And no cracks about communism is what we have
  now, please.  As an amateur Kremlinologist with a special interest
  in the satellite countries--remember them?--I know the difference,
  and so do you.)
 
  I'm a little chagrined that I let myself get baited into joining the
  fray.  I just have to believe that the statements about FDR ruining
  the economy are something in the matter of a joke, or at least an
  exaggeration.  But in my home state, the scars of the Great
  Depression are still visible, so I don't think it's particularly funny.
 
  And as for worship: I don't care who worships what, really.  I'm
  actually more concerned about exaggerations and outright lies about
  programs like the cash for clunkers program and other proposals of
  this administration.  I won't even speculate about the motives of
  people who lie and exaggerate, because they're sufficiently evident
  not to need further exposition here.  The economy may be in better
  shape than it was last fall, and some of the current programs seem to
  be having some effect.  But the chances are NOT ZERO that we could
  still have another Great Depression; and certain news [sic]
  reporters, by trying to tear down any Democratic program they see,
  and in particular by lying about those programs, seem to be pushing
  us toward the edge of the cliff.


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Re: [CGUYS] Wireless remote control app for iPhone?

2009-08-03 Thread db
Yes, I came across Air Mouse Pro accidentally by myself.  Not sure how 
it works but the reviews are good and it's only $6 to try out.   That 
Mini Media Hub article and its update is informative on several scores.  
Thanks.


db

Jordan wrote:

db wrote:
As another alternative solution re: my previous post ( Wireless 
keyboard w. built-in mouse/ pointer for mac?? ) about controlling a 
white tiger laptop attached to a digital TV, I am researching remote 
control apps for the iPhone.


I see ones that will let you control iTunes. Does anyone know if 
there is one for my purposes ... remote controlling a Tiger macbook 
(playing downloaded videos)  from across the room?
There's an article in the July Macworld by Christopher Breen called 
Mini Media Hub that talks about an iPhone app called Air Mouse Pro 
which can be used to control certain certain things. And if you do a 
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Re: [CGUYS] Gubmint computer grab

2009-08-03 Thread Matthew Taylor

Why would you suppose I am not being serious (real)?

FDR (and his allies) dealt a mortal blow to our system of a limited  
government of enumerated powers.


His economic policies whipsawed private enterprise, badly hampering  
any ability to plan long term and thus to re-invest in the economy  
when they don't know the rules or have any confidence that the rules  
will not suddenly and arbitrarily change.  He took a bad situation and  
made it worse, and only the wartime build up put the economy back to  
work, and the post war boom was the result not of his earlier actions,  
but a function of being the only industrial power still standing.


Matthew

On Aug 3, 2009, at 1:55 AM, Constance Warner wrote:

Oh, do get real.  In the 1930's, there was 25% unemployment [much  
higher in some places], starvation, ecological collapse, foreign  
wars on the horizon, large numbers of internally displaced people,  
native fascism, a growing U.S. communist party [partly supported by  
the Soviet Union], and an incipient class war.  Working conditions  
in some places in this country [like my home state] were basically  
Early Industrial Revolution--and, if you examine the history, it  
really was as bad as you think.  Things were going to hell very,  
very fast, and it took drastic action to drag the country back from  
the brink.  Complete recovery took awhile, but the early measures  
did help.


The New Deal saved the country from a lot worse situation than we  
have at present.  In fact, FDR's most notable achievement may have  
been saving capitalism; to a lot of people at the time, communism  
and similar systems were looking pretty good, compared to the mess  
that they blamed, rightly or wrongly, on laissez-faire capitalism  
and Wall Street speculators.  (And no cracks about communism is  
what we have now, please.  As an amateur Kremlinologist with a  
special interest in the satellite countries--remember them?--I know  
the difference, and so do you.)


I'm a little chagrined that I let myself get baited into joining the  
fray.  I just have to believe that the statements about FDR ruining  
the economy are something in the matter of a joke, or at least an  
exaggeration.  But in my home state, the scars of the Great  
Depression are still visible, so I don't think it's particularly  
funny.


And as for worship: I don't care who worships what, really.  I'm  
actually more concerned about exaggerations and outright lies about  
programs like the cash for clunkers program and other proposals of  
this administration.  I won't even speculate about the motives of  
people who lie and exaggerate, because they're sufficiently evident  
not to need further exposition here.  The economy may be in better  
shape than it was last fall, and some of the current programs seem  
to be having some effect.  But the chances are NOT ZERO that we  
could still have another Great Depression; and certain news [sic]  
reporters, by trying to tear down any Democratic program they see,  
and in particular by lying about those programs, seem to be pushing  
us toward the edge of the cliff.


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Re: [CGUYS] Gubmint computer grab

2009-08-03 Thread Snyder, Mark - IdM (IS)
So Hoover was the real hero?  You must drink the Kool-Aid every 15
minutes.

Thank you,

Mark Snyder
-Original Message-

Why would you suppose I am not being serious (real)?

FDR (and his allies) dealt a mortal blow to our system of a limited
government of enumerated powers.


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Re: [CGUYS] Gubmint computer grab

2009-08-03 Thread Matthew Taylor
Did I say Hoover was a hero?  That is a straw man argument worthy of  
Tom.


Matthew

On Aug 3, 2009, at 1:23 PM, Snyder, Mark - IdM (IS) wrote:


So Hoover was the real hero?  You must drink the Kool-Aid every 15
minutes.

Thank you,

Mark Snyder
-Original Message-

Why would you suppose I am not being serious (real)?

FDR (and his allies) dealt a mortal blow to our system of a limited
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[CGUYS] Returned Mail that I never sent

2009-08-03 Thread TracyF2
I have been receiving notices entitled 
 
Undelivered Mail Returned to Sender 
 
From MAILER-DAEMON.  
 
Does this mean that I have a virus and how can I get rid of it?
 
 
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Re: [CGUYS] Finally an FCC that earns its keep

2009-08-03 Thread phartz...@gmail.com
On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 11:23 AM, Jordanjor17...@gmail.com wrote:

 But if money is limited, and who's isn't, a good argument can be made for
 many people to stop pouring money into the moneypit that is Windows and the
 disposable computers that people are lured into buying.

  A good point if a user is having problems of one sort or another
under Windows.  However, I know of some Windows users who do have some
headaches under Windows. and periodically talk of moving to Macs, but
even when they have the chance to, choose not to do so.  One told me
that it is easy to get pirated software for their Windows machines,
and that is their reason for not changing.  Another said it was too
expensive to have to replace all their software, but as it turns out,
she really had very little that she would have to replace, and her
version of Photoshop onher Windows computer at home, the potentially
most expensive item, was pirated to begin with.

  It seems to come down to comfort levels, primarily.  The lady
mentioned above has a Mac available to her at work that has Photoshop
installed, yet she refuses to touch it, preferring instead to work on
picture files with some lame basic image editor that seemingly came
installed on the Dell she also has at work.  Go figure.  I say comfort
levels are at work.  Fear of the unknown.

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Re: [CGUYS] Returned Mail that I never sent

2009-08-03 Thread Jordan

trac...@aol.com wrote:
I have been receiving notices entitled 
 
Undelivered Mail Returned to Sender 
 
From MAILER-DAEMON.  
 
Does this mean that I have a virus and how can I get rid of it?
 
I think it's more likely that someone is spoofing your address and you 
are getting some of the undeliverable notices from the spam or whatever 
that they sent.

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Re: [CGUYS] Returned Mail that I never sent

2009-08-03 Thread Allen Firstenberg
It generally means that someone was sending out spam using your email
address as the from, and doesn't mean anything about your machine or your
account itself.
The real-world analogy would be if someone put your address on the return
address part of the envelope, and then sent it out without a stamp or
something.  It would come back to you, since your address is on the
envelope, even if you didn't actually send it.

On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 3:37 PM, trac...@aol.com wrote:

 I have been receiving notices entitled

 Undelivered Mail Returned to Sender

 From MAILER-DAEMON.

 Does this mean that I have a virus and how can I get rid of it?


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Re: [CGUYS] Returned Mail that I never sent

2009-08-03 Thread db
Yes, it's typically caused by spammers etc spoofing your address and 
there is nothing you can do about it except try not to expose your email 
address to such types ... with emails that contain many CC's etc.


db

Jordan wrote:

trac...@aol.com wrote:
I have been receiving notices entitled  
Undelivered Mail Returned to Sender  
From MAILER-DAEMON.   
Does this mean that I have a virus and how can I get rid of it?
 
I think it's more likely that someone is spoofing your address and you 
are getting some of the undeliverable notices from the spam or 
whatever that they sent.

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Re: [CGUYS] No browserless Win7 after all?

2009-08-03 Thread Stephen Brownfield
It looks like you have a choice, but this ballot appears to be in an 
IE window.  Does that meant that Internet Explorer has already been 
installed on your computer?


Steve



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Since the plan to ship Win7 in Europe without a browser apparently did not 
satisfy regulators, MS has proposed shipping it with IE8 but also allowing 
users to choose between IE8, Firefox, Safari,
Chrome, or Opera during setup.

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Re: [CGUYS] No browserless Win7 after all?

2009-08-03 Thread mike
Explorer is installed on the computer, basically IE is still in the code but
not reachable to the user till they decide to install IE or FF etc.

On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 3:10 PM, Stephen Brownfield
steveei...@verizon.netwrote:

 It looks like you have a choice, but this ballot appears to be in an IE
 window.  Does that meant that Internet Explorer has already been installed
 on your computer?

 Steve




 Chris Dunford wrote:

 Since the plan to ship Win7 in Europe without a browser apparently did not
 satisfy regulators, MS has proposed shipping it with IE8 but also allowing
 users to choose between IE8, Firefox, Safari,
 Chrome, or Opera during setup.

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Re: [CGUYS] Well-thought analysis of MSFT - Michael Crichton

2009-08-03 Thread TPiwowar

On Aug 3, 2009, at 6:08 AM, Matthew Taylor wrote:
Remember, Dr. Crichton died in 2008 and had not revised his  
position before his death.


I agree with you. It is very unlikely that he will change his opinion  
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Re: [CGUYS] Returned Mail that I never sent

2009-08-03 Thread TPiwowar

On Aug 3, 2009, at 3:37 PM, trac...@aol.com wrote:

Does this mean that I have a virus and how can I get rid of it?


It probably means that somebody else you know has a virus. That virus  
has hijacked their address book, which contains your address.  
Spammers typically send using a stolen address for a day or two and  
then move on to another stolen address. So these bounces should go  
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Re: [CGUYS] Finally an FCC that earns its keep

2009-08-03 Thread TPiwowar

On Aug 3, 2009, at 12:10 AM, Jeff Wright wrote:

Unlike Uncle Moneybags Piwowar, some of us have budgets and limited
resources.  We have to live within our means.


An I owe all these riches to the increased productivity I get from my  
Macs. If I ran PCs I would have to add a staff person to do  
maintenance or devote a large portion of my own time to maintenance  
instead of going out to do billable work. My staff would also be  
bogged down in Windows problems instead of cranking out a steady  
stream of work with their trouble-free Macs.







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[CGUYS] Road runner cable access with a third party router

2009-08-03 Thread Wayne Dernoncourt
I was visiting my sister  brother in-law in NY this past
weekend for a baby shower (oh, the joys...).  They do
have cable (road runner).  My niece, aka the new mom, says
that as she understands it, if you disconnect the PC from
the cable/modem to try and insert a router/WAP, things get
screwed up.  She wasn't sure why or how, I tried to talk
to a sales droid at a Best Buy ~25 miles away (it's in the
wilds of NY) and she seemed pretty clueless about the
situation.  Since I had no desire to cause anybody any
problem, I was without email/newsgroup access for ~4 days...

Does any of that make sense?  I understand that the local
cable office does have a WAP version as well as a non-WAP
version of the modem.

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Take care  | This clown speaks for himself, his job doesn't
Wayne D.   | supply this, at least not directly
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Re: [CGUYS] Gubmint computer grab

2009-08-03 Thread Matthew Taylor

Tom;

More of your insults is all you have to offer. I think I am done  
bothering with you.


Sent from my phone.

On Aug 3, 2009, at 7:44 PM, TPiwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote:


On Aug 3, 2009, at 1:03 PM, Matthew Taylor wrote:

Why would you suppose I am not being serious (real)?


Because it is you MO. You make outrageous claims with nothing to  
back them up and then you repeatedly refuse to acknowledge facts  
presented by others. You totally waste everybody's time. Hence the  
analogy to the birthers.


As much as Betty's response is praiseworthy and I'm sure appreciated  
by many List members, she is sowing seeds on barren land.





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Re: [CGUYS] Gubmint computer grab

2009-08-03 Thread TPiwowar

On Aug 3, 2009, at 8:11 PM, Matthew Taylor wrote:
More of your insults is all you have to offer. I think I am done  
bothering with you.


Good. But I wrote nothing insulting. Feigning insult is just another  
of your evasive tactics.





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Re: [CGUYS] Road runner cable access with a third party router

2009-08-03 Thread TPiwowar

On Aug 3, 2009, at 7:50 PM, Wayne Dernoncourt wrote:

I was visiting my sister  brother in-law in NY this past
weekend for a baby shower (oh, the joys...).  They do
have cable (road runner).  My niece, aka the new mom, says
that as she understands it, if you disconnect the PC from
the cable/modem to try and insert a router/WAP, things get
screwed up.


Most routers can be set to report the MAC address of your computer.  
That may do the trick.





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Re: [CGUYS] Finally an FCC that earns its keep

2009-08-03 Thread Jeff Wright
 An I owe all these riches to the increased productivity I get from my
 Macs. If I ran PCs I would have to add a staff person to do
 maintenance or devote a large portion of my own time to maintenance
 instead of going out to do billable work. My staff would also be
 bogged down in Windows problems instead of cranking out a steady
 stream of work with their trouble-free Macs.

Only if you're incompetent.

I manage over 100 Windows XP PCs, a dozen laptops and 30 Windows 2003
servers by myself.  Very little of what I do is related to trouble with
either Windows or the Dell PCs.  We have a boringly stable desktop
implementation.  Most of my help desk tickets revolve around printer/copier
problems/replacing toner, data access, questions about various email
situations or 3rd party software issues.


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Re: [CGUYS] Finally an FCC that earns its keep

2009-08-03 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall

I can vouch for that.

back when I worked support for a company (before the days of Windows) 
we supported Xenix/Novell-Lantastic enviroments.


I worked hardware support which included OS/Hardware issues.

Most of the support calls we got were not really OS Issues but issues 
with corruption of the program caused by I/O error of operators.


If it was hardware they either contracted with us for immediate 
replacement (UPS/FedEx) or customer supported hardware.


Most common issues, printers needing setup (We required a particular 
setup for use of printed characters) or software conflict after we 
would send out an update.


We also had to replace CPU's, CMOS batteries etc.

When I worked there we had 6 hardware techs and the same amount of 
software techs.


We supported about a thousand clinics and the company made money.

As long as there is hardware out there there will be the need for 
support folks.  As long as there is software out there there will be 
the need for support.


As long as human beings are behind all these items there will be need 
for support.


Does not matter what version or company or platform they all fail and 
they all need fixing.


Stewart


At 08:05 PM 8/3/2009, you wrote:

Only if you're incompetent.

I manage over 100 Windows XP PCs, a dozen laptops and 30 Windows 2003
servers by myself.  Very little of what I do is related to trouble with
either Windows or the Dell PCs.  We have a boringly stable desktop
implementation.  Most of my help desk tickets revolve around printer/copier
problems/replacing toner, data access, questions about various email
situations or 3rd party software issues.


Rev. Stewart A. Marshall
mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net
Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org
Ozark, AL  SL 82


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Re: [CGUYS] Gubmint computer grab

2009-08-03 Thread Jeff Wright
 -Original Message-
 On Aug 3, 2009, at 8:11 PM, Matthew Taylor wrote:
  More of your insults is all you have to offer. I think I am done
  bothering with you.
 
 From: TPiwowar

 Good. But I wrote nothing insulting. Feigning insult is just another
 of your evasive tactics.

CGUYS as comic.  

http://tinyurl.com/mwrt5q

or maybe this one:

http://tinyurl.com/lx3wpg

Yeah, that's the one.


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Re: [CGUYS] Finally an FCC that earns its keep

2009-08-03 Thread TPiwowar

On Aug 3, 2009, at 9:05 PM, Jeff Wright wrote:

Most of my help desk tickets revolve around printer/copier
problems/replacing toner, data access, questions about various email
situations or 3rd party software issues.


I don't see any of that. My staff changes their own toner and the  
other stuff does not happen. So you have proved my point.





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Re: [CGUYS] Wireless keyboard w. built-in mouse/ pointer for mac??

2009-08-03 Thread Minor Paula
Dinovo Edge Hmm $130 ... I see it has a track circle or something.   
Does that work well? Do you know if it will work from the couch 20  
ft away or so?


The track circle has worked fine for me and it says it's good for up  
to 30' I think.  I haven't been that far away from my desk tho.   
There are Windows and Mac versions so be sure you get the right one.


Paula Minor
raven880atindy.net
Even I felt sorry for Richard Nixon when he left; there's nothing  
you can do about being born liberal — fish gotta swim and hearts  
gotta bleed.  The late Molly Ivins






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Re: [CGUYS] Finally an FCC that earns its keep

2009-08-03 Thread Jeff Wright
 I don't see any of that. My staff changes their own toner and the
 other stuff does not happen.

Of course you don't.  We work in completely different environments with
completely different types of staffs.  Mine's in the real world, BTW.

 So you have proved my point.

And you so often prove mine, Herr Doctor.  Keep 'em coming.


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Re: [CGUYS] Finally an FCC that earns its keep

2009-08-03 Thread Eric S. Sande

I don't see any of that. My staff changes their own toner and the
other stuff does not happen.


My staff changes their underwear daily and we pump out the bilges
once a week.  Oh yeah, we get free showers.

:-)

Ruling the Aegean sea since 480 BC


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